7800x3D is UNUSABLE
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I just built a 7800x3d system, I don't have any of these issues. I have been avoiding Asus boards, I went with the MSI MPG X670e Carbon. I think its an Asus issue, because they were having to blast the SOC with 1.4 volts to keep the machine rolling. I manually turned SOC down to 1.25. Set the fabric to 2033, anything above that doesn't seem to matter. Did a -25 all core curve optimizer for an under volt, changing the actual core speeds with BLCK seems to do nothing or next to nothing in games. Tuned memory, tREF between 50000, and 65600 seems to be the sweet spot on a GSKILL 6000 cl 30 kit. But I have none of that locking/stuttering... In fact I shit canned my 13700k for this CPU, its way snappier in windows.
brother does it even work out of the box or why did u have to turn it down manually?
@@GioCTRL it works out of the box, this is just a click-bait video. enabling expo is just part of optimizing the system
@@GioCTRL It ran fine out of the box. I turned the SOC down just as a precaution. Default is 1.3 which is probably fine, but I did notice it would fluctuate so I just played it safe. EXPO Memory timings are pretty lose, but for an average person they probably dont notice the difference.
Dont have any issues either, 7800X3D MSI board.
@@nivea878 my Asus Rog Strix Z790e Gaming WIFI sucks. The fact that the PCIE slot for the SSD is shared by the GPU is stupid. Then you have to use the off Chip PCIE lanes. Also the memory lanes SUCK.
I dunno if that's click bait or nit. So I tested 2 different 7800x3D in the past.
The first thing when you OC BCLK is you want to test for single core stability with superPI 32m.
If it doesn't pass this, likely will bluescreen, you have to lower your BCLK untill it passes.
Windows without anything in the background will freeze due to the same reason superPI 32m will bluescreen on way over the top BCLK. Single core boost load behavior. - credit to buildzoid for figuring this out
aside from that, obviously golden cove cores OC better and are faster.
is this an x3d problem or just a 7800x3d problem?
or is this the fact that his bclk is at 110.
sure is disingenuous of him to make it look like its his CPU that is the problem when its actually him
it's a bclk problem. even as eclk, it OCs both CCXs.
the best stable PBO+BCLK(eclk)+core voltage offset (+40mV) I could achieve with my first 7800x3d was 7734 in cb r20...
that took days though
you can't be more wrong than that.
ruclips.net/video/90UBUq1mLGY/видео.html
bclk at 120 its fine, the fact is the entire bclk is done on external clock generator solely for the CPU it does not affect anything else on it, what he could be missing is perhaps additional voltage to run at the bclk as 0.888v is quite low under load.
@@zz__ when i get my bclk at 110 i get instability issues. its not a voltage problem either since i have tried upping the voltage really high(with push-pull 360 AIO so it wasnt throttling), just trying it at auto, or undervolting it. no matter what i did it was still unstable(exactly what Frame Chasers is reporting).
same goes for the RAM. bclk does affect RAM as well and even if i max out RAM voltages, i set them to auto, or i undervolt them(SOC, IO and DDR voltage), still NOTHING WORKS. its still unstable! oh and pointing a fan towards the RAM when voltages are at max has no effect either.
this is a bclk problem. with that said i am not using an x3d cpu so my anecdote probably doesnt matter
Can't really say I've had these issues with mine. The few issues I did have were solved by switching to a newer bios version. Mine is very snappy in windows (I actually tested software load times against what you're seeing here), so there's potentially something else going on. Ever since zen originally launched, I've just assumed I'll have to potentially tinker with it more to get it working well, but eventually it always did. This was much better than the original zen in that regard, at least.
I’ve read motherboards could effect it from another review he said when he upgraded it it worked fine
If you see this comment can you tell me how many watts your 7800x3d pulls on average cause I’m gonna buy one soon and I don’t wanna raise my electric bill 😭
"UNUSABLE" what a drama queen. I don't understand how I'm using mine without any of these weird issues he manages to create
Clickbait!
That’s prolly cause you are a funkn casual who uses AMD
@@CB-bi1be there's no way you could be over 16 and think of the word casual as an offense
@@JohnnyEMatos & you must be a 13 year old little girl using the word”Drama queen in a sentence.
Never had an issue with my 7800x3d
If the chip is running well it should get about 64ns in Aida, that doesn't paint a fair picture, clear indication something is set up wrong, probably bclk maybe faulty chip, one that doesn't represent reality. Sure it's not the best cpu in terms of latency but it's not that bad as you are trying to portrait it.
I can vouch for that as well 👍
I recently got a 7800x3d and had practically no issues, it just worked. In your case, I suspect you got a RAM with bad XMP/EXPO profiles; buildzoid mentioned once that there are RAM kits out there with such bad secondary timings on their XMP/EXPO profiles that enabling it actually makes your PC slower.
Nvidia and Intel fan boy . And an adult! Funny 😆
@@madhaze0126L
LMAO THIS CANT BE REAL
I've had so many problems with G.Skill Flare X5 memory kits, as soon as I switched to Team Group Vulcan all problems disappeared!
@@davidg2731 Literally the same here, got a new system w/7800X3D and some G.Skill Z5 Neo to go with it, couldn't even run both sticks at once. PC literally wouldn't boot with two sticks, and turning on Low Latency with Expo crashed it every time I ran a game. Switched to some Teamgroup T-Force and haven't had a single issue since.
I've encountered what seems like massive latency issues with a few of the systems I've built in the past.... and most of the time it turned out to be some kind of problem with the motherboard. I jumped on the x299 bandwagon in 2017 and bought an Apex board and the 7820x because it was cheap... but that system was sluggish so I returned it. Same thing happened with a 2700x and a Crosshair VII Hero, and the same thing happened before that with a 3770k and a Z77 Sabertooth. These systems were all sluggish, not 100% stable, and exchanging the parts solved the issue.
ASUS motherboards have always felt like shit to me in terms of latency, also their bios team is clueless and just fills it with bloat. Switched from a Z790 Rog Strix to Z790 Tomahawk and definitely felt a difference.
Wonder if some of the problems in this video could be ASUS firmware doing what it does best.
@johnballs3186 that's the exact reason why I stick to aorus only
@johnballs3186 ram has to be ddr5 aswell and certain ddr5 has problems with amd cpu. Idk this man's build it could just be not compatability for it to work
@@bodasactra nice setup, yeah aorus will be good Ole reliable. My setup should be fun at that. 64gb of ddr5 is overkill by far but oh well lol
I have a x299 apex and I have used it with 3 CPUs (7900,x 9940x, and 7980xe) and 4133 Gskills and it was not sluggish. Maybe your SSD was bad or something.
Slow opening cpuz, hwinfo64, and Aida on x670 was caused by the Thunderbolt controller being enabled. This was true no matter how many clean OS installs performed. Disable thunderbolt (USB4) in the bios to resolve.
Source: X670 Rog overclocker forums / my Asus x670 extreme
Yeah, my gigabyte X670E would not work with the add on TB4 card from gigabyte.
The games would just lag out every 5 minutes.
I have to take it out.
AMD has a ways to go on this front.
Facts test show the same on 7950X3D and 7800X3D
If you have to disable a part of the motherboard to make the cpu run better it tell that the cpu is garbage
@@TecoProductions Honestly i'd put the blame of the mobo being garbage in that particular case. Seems to be the norm with the X line of chipsets last few gens
@@TecoProductions mobo manufacturer problem. could also be fixed by bios.
Any fix to this? I literally came from a 10600k rig to the 7800x3d. I miss the stability so much…….the 7800x3d stutters in Elite Dangerous………..you could run that game on a sewing machine. My first AMD rig and might be my last.
ram, apparently its the secondary timings, so try different ram sticks or brand. Dont get g.skill, i'm having same problem with g.skill trident z5 neo 32gb 6000mhz cl30-38-38-96.
Optimized Defaults were also tested earlier in the stream with the same results, this is just a clip at the end of a 2 hour troubleshooting stream. 110 was also ECLK not BCLK with PBO disabled to lock the cores, the actual clockspeed is slower than stock at the end. Two different ram kits were also tested. All games run fine.
it just doesn't work, AMD.
What board are you running the chip on if I may ask...
@@chrisjones7483 Locking clocks = better 1% and .1% lows, which is one area AMD desperately needs all the help they can get on.
Dunno.. I have:
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (Stock)
ASRock PG Rip Tide AM5 WiFi MB on 1.24 BIOS B650E
2x16 G.Skill Flare X5 DDR5 6000M/Ts CL30 on EXPO
PBO off
SSD WDBlack SN770 PCIe Gen4 x4
PowerColor 7900 XTX GPU
Corsair RM850x PSU
Issues demonstrated in this video: 0
You seem like a reetee. Did you go into the bios and check if your ssd/nvme was on 2x pcie lanes or 4x pcie lanes?
I don't remember any NVME SSD being happy working @ 110Mhz BCLK
I had a weird issue with 7800X3D where it would constantly freeze until I disabled the high definition audio controllers in device manager. No more freezes or BSOD on fresh windows install with all drivers installed.
My tip is to remove the chipset drivers. It worked for me. So I had the chipset drivers with the v-cache optimizer, but something broke and so obviously the first thing I do is uninstall that. No more game breaking stutter. Initially, the chipset drivers/v-cache optimizer helped when the chip was released and mouse lag feels maybe placebo good, but then I think Microsoft Updates have a fix to replace that old fix while obviously breaking the old fix. I didn't reinstall those chipset drivers because everything's working okay. My only complaint has been that I've experienced a ton of packet loss and game breaking stutter in games - usually separate games. Packet loss for me is hard to explain because I rent my router and it's basically locked down. AMD has TSMC. Intel has Intel. I think that the options are few, they will make these things work even if none of them cover warranty well - only if they feel like it. If I have some big beef with these things, then it's a problem with Windows 11 making some games stutter for various inexplicable reasons.
oh i voided my warrenty by deliding and wonder why my cpu isnt working. ive built over 20 7800x3d systems with none of these issues.
The problem with people are reddit. AMD pays mods to curate tech subs to be pro AMD. You literally cant say anything negative or your comment gets removed and your account banned. I was having problems with my 5800x3d usb dropping out it, i asked if 7000 series does the same thing and they ban me. I tried making another account and now i get suspended for ban evasion. Im one of the few people on there that actually bought the thing and tried and it theyve silenced me from telling others how it actually is.
the AMD subreddit is like 69% talking shit about AMD, what do you mean
@chapstickbomber you can't post any technical issues on the amd subreddit. They get removed and you are told to post them to the amdhelp subreddit. That subreddit is flooded with issues and no one there has answers. I posted my issue there twice this week and it got 1 comment.
its hilarious they still have usb issues, plus the freezing (they said they started working on this but 2 years late and only on Linux)
from my research, ryzen 3000, 5000 and 7000 all have the same issues, of course completely random, not everyone can get it. And there's no solutions to these problems.
Is this dude really complaining about a slow opening of AIDA64 CPUID at first try? This is completely normal. Furthermore, he overclocked the BCLK to *110* and wonders why the system is unstable? oof.
Fabric retransmission feels exactly like this.
The duct tape is garbage. Nothing new or surprising about this.
@@od1sseas663 Opens within 1s with my 11700f underclocked to 3.9 single core, and with JEDEC 3200 ram too.
110 eclk to lock cores, defaults were also tested earlier in the stream, this is just a clip at the end. Eclk is not bclk
I have an occasional mouse lag on the desktop with my 7800x3d. Been trying everything. Turning off variable refresh rate seems to have helped, but it's still there. LMK if anyone has found a solution. 650e taichi board.
@@nivea878wtf no lol keep Trusted Platform Module on for security issues.
What exact ram do you have?
Did you try turning it off and then back on again?
My 7800x3D has been great for gaming. Don’t know what to tell you. It’s in my “lower-end” system paired with a 6950xt gpu (first AMD gpu I’ve had in over 12+ years)(actually, I think my last one was an ATI X800 xt pe 😂).
Besides tuning the secondary timings on the RAM, only thing i really update regularly are the gpu drivers and the x670 chipset drivers from AMD.
Strange . I don’t have any issues with the 7800x3d . Running it @5050 with
6000 ddr5 30 and it’s been flawless, especially with gaming.
I think your shit is fked up , you have a lemon bro. Lol.
Start over
did it explode yet?
@@emris12with latest BIOS updates to the motherboards these chips no longer explode
Same experience here, went from a 10700k. And its also snappier in windows & launching stuff :) Not sure what the issue is here :(
Lower-end? It's the best gaming cpu on the market right now lol
BCLK 110 that's the issue
3:27 Same shit was happening with 100, so it’s not a BCLK issue.
@@CAB00M3RI don't know my 7800x3d doesn't have those issues shown
@@CAB00M3Rmaybe the SOC voltage is too high he needs to update the board or the CPU gets cooked
@@PatrickA1 I have no doubt about that. All those “AMD issues” are usually very individual, doesn’t happen to everybody.
@@PatrickA1 are you on W10 or W11?
I bought my 5800X3D for my older X370 mobo at $270. If I was building new, it would be a 12700k at $220 or a 13900k at $500.
12700(kf)
its a monster, recomended
price/performance is just insane
Not sure, have not seen the issues you are having on my rig. I have 2 systems in house that I built, 13900k/4080/7700 transfer ram rig and a 7800x3d/7900 xtx aqua/6000 transfer ram custom water cooled system. I get full system shutdowns out of the intel rig, Random spikes to 100c during production workloads that shuts the bitch down. 7800x3d based rig just works for a gaming setup, with very little tweaks. XMP enabled with not even that tight cl30 timing, -35 all core optimizer, +200 mhz positive core. Solid as a rock, no laggy stutters like you are seeing at all. It is my daily driver for gaming and I have been really happy with it for months. Not a chip that responds much to overclocking, but that aqua card with it's extreme bios will see some crazy boosts to OC on the GPU side.
same here...7800x3d and tuf 4090...daily driver gaming Tarkov, D4 and now BG
You were trying to run ram on an intel system at 7700mhz?
@@JoeBlow-ub1us it was 7800, I was incorrect but yes, on Intel
@@thew1neguy yea man that's gonna give you problems with stability right off the bat and even more so if you were trying to run 4 sticks.
have you experienced the same thing with the 13900k? tech yes city did a video on that. It's actually ridiculous that there's no good enthusiast level cpu right now.
Ryzen 9 7900 in Eco Mode:
Half the time people don't want to take the time to figure it out on exchanging parts yes it does suck you have to do that but not much can do about it just happens.
That's why you try different motherboards etc
Picked up a 7800x3d yesterday. MB - Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite, Ram - Adata 6000 C30 32gb kit (think it's Hynix A ), Nvme - Silicon Power UD90. No GPU at this point as still in my old PC.
Fresh install W11 Pro, ram set to run Expo timings, curve optimiser -30
C R23 cores seem to run at around 4.9ghz and sits around 75c on air atm. Haven't had time to stuff around and test too much though.
Only thing I changed in windows was the power plan to performance. No AMD drivers or chipset installed. I installed steam and there is no real delay in loading time. Other apps load as expected.
Update: Installed chipset and other drivers, still seems ok. Got the ram to 6200 C28 (38 38 71)
What an absolute shitshow PC hardware has been the last couple of years. Between nvidia 40 series having melting connectors, 3090's melting VRM, AMD chips exploding due to motherboard overvolting and poor communication with partners from AMD, ASUS motherboards quality control falling of a cliff, Gigabyte GPU's with cracking PCB's and Intel allegedly having latency issues reported by Yes Tech City and who knows what other issues as of now unreported. What's the point of building gaming PC's anymore, it's all a crapshoot. Who has time to keep testing motherboards or memorry sticks and keep returning shit untill they finally get a stable system. EVGA throwing in the towel was the signal that something is deeply wrong with the industry right now.
Old mining rig spare parts 😂 ...nice random machine bro. Thanks for the real testing!
I gotta say, this 100% mimicks the issues people have had with running non and optimized ram.
I have an i7-12700K and DDR5 4800 (JEDEC), RAM has nothing to do with it and i have a Kingston NV2 (a slow SSD).
Windows 11 boots in 5 seconds.
But i disabled the e-cores on my i7-12700K and the overall system felt slower.
The CPU can bottleneck your NVMe SSD for random reads and writes, isn't worth it buying a more expensive SSD (unless it's for video editing work). I have 12 cores and nothing to worry about.
Motherboard is MSI Z690 Pro A.
@@skorpersPeople underestimate so much the perfomance of the CPU on a PC.
A friend has a Ryzen 9 5900X and the difference in the user experience for basic stuff is basically the same as my i7. Snappy as well.
7800x3d works fine on newest windows. Just bought it yesterday getting 2k fps in valorant, tuned dram.
what ram are you using
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2000fps on valorant with maxed out graphics or Intel HD graphics settings?
Bruh I am buying this for valorant as well
Let us know ur specs as well
@@BadaPavFrags It's still dog shit regardless, 13900K/S/14900K has superior latency under real conditions. Sitting and clicking ur mouse while nothing is happening isn't a real measurement (nothing like in-game). If you dont buy a good mobo & good ram you're wasting your time. (z790 apex/DDR5 7600+) and tuning the cpu/ram)
@@zazabean23 what are you saying
Please Say in simpler english 🫠
I had this exact problem last week and my 7950X3D shit itself, now its out to RMA. I'll be selling it when it gets back, not doing this any more. I went through 3 motherboards, 5 ram kits, 2 power supplies and now the CPU trying to get a running machine. I'm back on my spare 12600K rig enjoying my games. The only way I can get AM5 to run is just to leave the memory at 4800mhz auto settings.
did you install the chipset drivers?
Had a 5700x and went over to a 13700k. I dont feel like one is much different as far as response times. Buy productivity is way better on the 13700k.
Jufes is the only guy I have seen acknowledging that X3D CPU's are pure dogshit for windows desktop snapyness.
I had a 5800X 3D for 2 years before switching to a 14900KS and while it wasn't as bad as what Jufes showed in his 7800X 3D windows snapyness video last year, my 5.1 GHZ locked all cores 7700K prior to the 5800X 3D felt WAY snappier and instant in windows and the 5.8 ghz locked all P cores and E cores off in windows 10 is even better.
Its nice to know I wasn't crazy feeling like my 5800X 3D was laggy in windows.
people like you dont seem to understand its not amd issue, its microsoft/windows stop complaining about the amd cpus they work fine
Anyone wants to comment on why he setup the bclk at 110 when there is manual ocing available. Bclk ocing is buggy as it is.
I’m on the ancient 5800x3d… and the only thing that causes my system to run like his in this video is Razer Synapse lol. I uninstalled that shit so fast…
Its called user error…
ddr5 ram sticks timing???
i legit havent had a single problem with my 7800x3d and im running a windows 10 install from my last build that was 9900k
I dont like this guy but he is absolutely right. I HEAVILY regret ever buying into AM5 with an Asus X670E Hero and 7800X3D. I will never buy an AMD system again.
Are you sure ?
Disable TPM?
Is this dude for real? I have an 7950x3d which is even worse according to him, and I do not have any of these problems. This is hilarious! 😂😂😂
7950x3d is wayyyyy worse wtf u talking about lol. For gaming it’s complete & utter dog water garbage
Mine runs fine and cool. Most games about 55c-65c
I have a 7950x3d and 7800x3d both have been flawless have one paired with a 4090 the other an 7900xtx. Wanted to see the 14900k performance man what a joke just overclock a 13900k
I've just built a 7800x3D-based PC and wondered if anyone else was having as much fun playing ultra-high fps games as I have. Then I found this. This is almost as much fun as my awesome gaming rig (but for different reasons). I hope this guy got his system sorted. 😂
Dude is obviously simping for Intel lol. Try’s overclocking but has no idea what’s he actually doing with the x3d chip overclocking the ram lol. The differences he shows are just not plausible. These is legit problems he’s caused from an unstable oc. FrESH wInDoWS installlll omg but doesn’t show the bios or anything. I’ve compared my own x3d with 6000mhz cl30 and it’s not even close to these Benchs. Also after finding out this guy charges 600$ and doesn’t even know breaking the 1:1 ram ratio completely gimps the performance shows just how incompetent he is. These are not Intel cpus and do not overclock the same on either end of the spectrum from ram to cpu.
Upgraded a few days ago to a 7800x3D from a 9900K. Zero issues, didn't even bother to re-install Windows just threw on some drivers, also undervolted to hit 5ghz+ consistently. There is no question the 7800X3d feels a little snappier in the desktop, and performs a lot better in the handful of titles where the old 9900K was starting to struggle. Its been "literally" 20 years since I owned an AMD processor (AMD 64) and no regrets going back.
@@charlesg5085 my 7800x3d hits 5150. However it is locked to 5-5050mhz unless you bump your bclk or there’s other ways of doing it like eclk there are guides online you should look at that go in depth to help you understand. Also -40 your probably almost certainly not stable. Myself I was able to run all kinds of benchmarks and stuff at -30 and play games however when I went to event viewer and also monitored hw info it was having core error corrections. Which usually aren’t all that notciable. But I got stable around -25 but decided -20 to ensure it is rock solid stable and ran prime 95 and Aida stress tests and found it to be 100% stable.
@@charlesg5085 It wont sit on 5Ghz constantly, but will turbo to about 5.1 under load using this undervolt method.
ruclips.net/video/4JXvewurhks/видео.html
@@Battleneter What's your undervolt setup?
He kept mentioning he only has XMP enabled etc. I doubt there would even be an option for it but considering AMD doesn't use XMP, could that not be the problem?
@@charlesg5085 sorry? I was referring to the fact that he was using Intel nomenclature as XMP is an Intel feature when AMD can’t use XMP as their technology is AMD EXPO. Also, I was told 6000mhz is the best to use for 1:1 with the infinity fabric
Are these problems only common on the 7800X3D or all Ryzen 7000 CPUs?
My ryzen 7 7800x3d works fine. No problems at all
@@zihechen3111 I think I would know if there was problem. Befone this I had Intel cpu.
I have 240hz monitor and play cs2. No delay and if there is input lag explain me why does pro players use amd cpus? Best cs player s1imple do use amd cpu.@@zihechen3111
Ryzen 7000 doesen´t like BCLK overclock.
you need a board with a external Clock Generator.
That´s why it act´s so slow and random freeze.
typical AMD user, can't even spell right
110 eclk to lock cores, defaults were also tested earlier in the stream, this is just a clip at the end
@@FrameChasers Impossible to have 110% eclk stable.
You're on windows 10. I know there has been drastic improvements for 7000 series on windows 11. I have a 7700x(came from a 10900k) and on windows 11 my system is still very snappy. I was having issues with the 7700x on Windows 10. I did a fresh install with Windows 11 and it fixed everything.
Word? I thought Win11 only involved improvements for Intel and their shitty e-cores, I didn't realize they actually acknowledged the existence of AMD this time around.
For the games I play like rust and tarkov the 7800x3d has been amazing with only occasional stutters. Loved my tuned 13900k but it doesn’t hold a candle to it, at least in Unity games. Also have not had any of these issues you’ve had in the video so maybe something else is the culprit?
@@zihechen3111 Yah I had returned an MSI B650 tomahawk due to EXPO not being stable. But no issues with the Gigabyte Elite AX B650
Maybe user error?? lol
@@kendragon2827 No, no user error. I updated to latest bios, chipset drivers. Ran Memtest X86 several times. Tried Memory context restore off and on, PDE off and on, it was only 100% stable with EXPO off and manually setting speed to 5600mhz and raising the voltage. I’m sure they’ve figured it out by now. My aorus board now was 100% stable even with the outdated bios it shipped with.
@@kimjongpoontv69 I was referring to Jufus with the user error, not you. Lol
@@kendragon2827 oh lololol gotcha
BRO.. you didn't show a comparison with your 13900k
steam is slow af on my 10900k and 12900k also..
I have a 3700x and steam loads in like 3 seconds....
I've noticed Steam lags big time and it's random. I just went to war with Intel. I debloated Win10 and it's better. I upped my virtual memory and it helped with a game I was having problems with. My rig is old. 77K. I've been thinking of upgrading but it still plays the games I want.
debloating windows 10 is the best thing EVER
Intel fanboy?
finally, this is the first person i see on the internet, with the exact same experience i have every time i had a ryzen sytem or rather a Amd system.
nothing ever changes, best most factual Jufes quote ever!
amd works great when it works
but getting it to work is as hard as cold starting a 1950s engine
@@bigcazza5260 i rather work with those old engines
@@bigcazza5260 Skill issue I'm afraid
I've owned a 5900X and 7900 and both works out of the box with Asrock.
@@sbeve7445 okay and do i want to build a computer for grandma that requires skill to turn on?
skill is overclocking b-die to sub 40ns, getting a pc to post is just an every day thing
@@bigcazza5260 if you are building a PC for your grandma you don't need 6000 memory. Nor would your grandma be building her own PC. If you can't even get your PC to post with stock memory it is a skill issue on your end.
holy smokes i was so close to getting this cpu over the 14900k because i am split in between content creation and gaming, but after being on 5950x and realizing how bad the single threaded performance was i just jumped the amd ship and went intel, now i am sitting here with a cpu that has almost 45% faster single thread performance than what i had before, thats like a 5 generational leap in performance....
This guy is an intwl fanboy. He should have gone into the bios aand.checked settings. It looks like he's got 2x pcie lanes and not 4x pcie lanes.
How's your 14900k doing champ?
@@dare2630 still trucking along just fine, not had any of these issues reported but i think thats due to having a good sample and the vid curve voltages just doesn't hit as high as they do on the worse samples where the cpu needs a lot more voltage to boost to 6.2
X3D definitely sucks. I have a 9 7900 clocked and it runs like hell! Workflow and games .... Jesus! I guess the problem would be the RAM speed. I´m running 2x32GB DDR5-5200MHz 2R CL36 and its perfect for that cpu.
i think its the ram, and specifically DDR5 with 3D v-cache.
why is the bus clock at 110?
Guy sets bus at 110mhz (which is a nono on both AM4 and AM5 for various reasons) and then complains about instability and things not working properly... LOL
Then uses windows 10 which lacks lots of optimizations for AM5. 6000 mhz ram can act up weird on am5 and cause these issues. Ddr5 must be hynix and speed does not matter on x3d, just timings for best performance and stability.
I have the 7800x3d at stock + 6950xt + 32gb 5600 cl36 hynix m die (hyperx beast) and it is a dream to use. Everything loads instantly and is snappy on w11, games are all above 100+ fps maxed out at 1440p. Sk hynix p41 ssd btw. Cpu runs very cool as it only draws 50w while gaming.
Tried curve optimizer and it improves 1% lows quite a bit and just 2% in benchmarks, not really worth it.
I've come to this channel with a question. I've got a 7950X3D with a Zotac 4090, G-Skill Trident 6000MHZ CL30 and dota 2 crashes routinely when I overclock. I have to turn all my overclocks off and it's much less crashes, but it still happens from time to time. Anyone know why this setup is unstable on Dota2?
Could you go into detail? what are you overclocking and how much? Is it happening on other games? etc etc
@@JoeBlow-ub1us only in Dota. I’m using the performance tuning for +152mhz on the 4090 Zotac I have and I’m using a -20 negative per core curve on ccd0 of my 7950x3d with no overclock on ccd1. But for some reason I’m Dota 2 I crash with these settings… no other game has issues with these settings, just Dota 2. Now I’ve turned off CCD1 and I’m just using PBO boost on enhanced right now, and haven’t crashed lately.
I had a similar issue with a 5800x with window 10 since the 22h2 update I believe. It would hang up and then crash windows explorer. It was so broken, I eventually gave up and went to windows 11 and it’s been fine ever since. It’s a shame it’s like they forced you to move to win11.
Dude, i thought it was just me with a terrible software stack. Win10 was becoming unstable after like 4 years since installation and 3 different CPUs (on 5800X3D atm). Explorer crashing, freezes, BSODs, you name it. Slapped Win11 on it and the system has been smooth as butter ever since. IDK if reinstalling Win10 would've helped, didn't have the time to go through 2 separate OS installations and config.
@@excesssum My 5800x3D on win10 is fast and snappy as hell. Sounds like your windows just got corrupted. Reinstall with keeping files and programs is easy, it’s built in to windows.
Cannot blame windows for AMD's issues.
3:35 yeah my intel is instant
1 year later and Intel is falling apart, I wonder if he's still an Intel fanfreak? My MSi liquid x 4090 has not dipped below 200fps with my 7800x3D, though nubs
Definitely not representative of normal 7800x3d. My system has zero hangs and is extremely snappy. CPU draws 50W during typical and runs cool.
what ram do u have? timings?
Bclk 110 wtf thats the problem...
so thousands of people must be lying because your experience is different...? self-center much?
I just went through similar issues on my nephews i5-12xxx system, and we shopped everything from the mobo QVL... in the end it was a ram issue, which I at first refused to believe, but switching from corsair to kingston just magically solved all problems. I couldn't believe it. now of course, this doesn't mean I know what the issue really was - could be faulty manufacturing just as likely as incompatible parts.
so, for you, I'd say, most likely you got a monday morning unit, have "slightly" incompatible ram (I also can't help but see that your ram is 6000 capable but running at 3000 - or am I misunderstanding those CPUID stats?), or you broke it during the delidding process (which I would argue is not even remotely necessary for 7800x3d - but of course: to each their own)...
first just run bios defaults (no xmp/expo). if that doesn't work switch cpus - now you voided the warranty by delidding it, but if you hadn't first step would be to return it and get a new one. if the problem persists then change ram model.
either way, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater - the universe does not revolve around _you_
My 7950X3D build, all custom water cooling, is the most unstable piece of shit I’ve ever bought, and this is stock with a 6400mhz kit running at 5800mhz. The memory controller is so weak. I am literally about to build a 14900KS system, I’ve been intel my whole life and never had this type of issue
You gotta wait 6-8 months for that ''IT AGES LIKE FINE WINE'' AMD experience!
AMD Ryzen gen 1 was wait for new bios, after some time wait for gen 2, you know it was their first generation ... Same story with gen 2, finelly gen 3 become a usable CPU. But when you buy a new PC you want to use it, not supporting the brand in a hope next generation gonna be better, with drivers and bios its the same. When new game come out i can play it no problem on nVidia most of the time, on AMD its wait couple of drivers than it gonna be better.... No i won´t! I want to play thats the solo reason to buying a gaming PC.
@@Brandstifter3D nailed it 100%
@@bodasactra Ok so let's go from the beginning, shall we? Ryzen Gen 1 was a piece of garbage, finding a compatible RAM was a nightmare, and if you wanted to use multiple sticks it was like a miracle to make it stable, Gen 2 was better but still, junk when I came to this, also a single core performance was low, multithread was also higher than Intel, so only thing you saved was money over Intel CPU, cool you spend like 10k on a good build but you managed to save 100 on a CPU.
Since Ryzen Gen 3 AMD started to produce CPU that was slighly worse than stock Intel but the first usable AMD gaming CPU after a decade. Newer generations were better than Intel when it came to stock performance, so a huge success as most of the consumers won´t bother with getting high-end motherboard, RAM, PSU, cooling etc. than do a CPU delid and use direct die cooling and fiddle heavily with the OC.
But for us who do Intel is still a better gaming CPU than AMD, I don´t care how much power the system draw I never did as the price of electricity is negligible, when it comes to cooling i don't care either, all my computers are fully water cooled using multiple big radiators and Noctua fans so even my PC draws over a 1kW its deadly silent.
@@Brandstifter3Dcry some more
this guy doesn't matter
Just because YOU have a problem with a bad unit or something, doesn't mean it's an unusable product. I have a 7800X3D paired with a RTX 4080 and 64 GB RAM and it works fine. 0 stuttering, very snappy in Windows 11 and running all games like a charm, on ultra 4K settings. I've had 0 hardware related bugs or issues with this machine. I got the 7800X3D purely for gaming, I have other machines for productivity. Just know what products you buy and where to use their strengths. Some people don't want to fuck around with their CPU they just want a good product that works for their purpose. Buy something else if you don't like that.
If he has a problem with bad representative of a product, why should he get more of those bad products. It just has to work.
what ram sticks do u have and timings please?
“Trash will always be trash” (Broly, DBZ, Gigantic Meteor)
seems like a Zen 4 problem. On my 5800x3d steam opens 2x faster, just tested.
not a zen 4 problem. i got a ryzen 7600 and it works just fine. many peopIe report the same thing.
this is NOT a cpu problem its a person problem.
his overclock is unstable and he is blaming his CPU for it. ridiculous, disingenuous, and very misleading. almost like hes doing this on purpose.
you can verify this yourself. try setting your 5800x3ds bclk to 110. lets see what happens....
btw im not an amd fanboy. i use both intel and amd. im just saying its probably not the CPUs fault
@@emris12lol it's not that serious
110 eclk to lock cores, defaults were also tested earlier in the stream, this is just a clip at the end
Why do you have it set to 110 bclk is that the issue?
PC Specs:
Case: M-ATX Prime Case.
CPU: 7800x3d (Non Exploded Edition) 😆
Motherboard: Asus ROG CrossHair Gene M-ATX
Graphics: Zotac Amp Extreme 4080
Cooler: Corsair 360 Capilix. White
Ram: GsKill 6000mt.
PowerSupply: 850watt Corsair
Non Radiator Fans#6, 3 Be quiet Airflow bottom intake, 1 Corsair high static preasure rear exhaust, 2 Noctua 1200rpm Fans intake. Using magnet fan mounts. Blowing directly on VRM, Ram, M.2 dim slot.
Monitor: Samsung Oled 120hz TV
No issues. no lag or jitters. check your mount improper mount can cause ram to malfunction or incorrect timings or sub timings,
please dont lie to urself i have 5800x3d !! the stutters are real ...!!!
Pro its just ur system @@kbnyashap741
Does your power supply sustain overclocking?
It’s the 1.10 base clock. And you have your max frequency 4.2 it can go to 5.25, with pbo. But that crashing was the bclk over clock.
try rebar on and off, power plan, hacky driver, overclock, buy different ram, disable parts of your hardware
OR buy a 12700k and enjoy it
fun fact: windows power plan balanced, then in windows official settings (windows 11 menu) prefer maximum performance actually makes a huge difference for some reason with AMD. you should definitely benchmark this.
fun fact: if it only matters for amd then its an amd problem
slow and laggy out of box with a fresh windows install = functioning as expected
100c junction temps = functioning as expected
i know how i believe it is supposed to work and it doesnt align with that@@plushquasar653
2x Xmas present systems//both 7800X3d and 4070ti's. I work specifically fixing hardware and software issues for a major financial institution - over 200K employee's worldwide) so I DO know of what I speak. With standard cooling (Noctua fan) these systems are getting more FPS than my rig (i913900K 3070ti). Can you squeak out more FPS using a OC'd 10600K - maybe (I doubt it but who knows?) but yer burning the life outta the CPU also. Saying that nobody tests anything we purchase is just a stupid thing to say. Put your BCLK back to default and use voltage to OC or under-volt whichever is appropriate for that CPU. Mine benefits more from undervolting for example (With standard 280mm AIO cooler)
I have huge stuttering issues with my ryzen 7 7800x3d
Funny, my 7800x3d has been working amazingly from day one. Just because your system has troubles doesn't make the entire CPU type bad...
was it a fresh windows install?
Did you ever find a fix or did u go back to intel?
i have amd and no stutter , everything works well :)))) 240 hz monitor ez
did you ever figure it out? just bought a 7800x3D and it seems very stable. was yours faulty or different problem? i'm so curious about such problems
I had nothing but instability on Ryzen 1st Gen. absolutely hate it. Bluetooth drop outs, random hangs, system resets and black screens. Hours were wasted on that platform testing and diagnosis was simply a waste of time and went nowhere. AM4 got better with later silicon. But seeing AM5 release in a similar state To Zen 1 is AMD's way of saying you get to be the beta tester each time a new socket appears.
I haven't used a Ryzen cpu yet. But all issues shown here hapenning to my intel cpu out of box at fresh windows as well. Idk
Everyone in comments about to blame ECLK overclock.
I recommend watching buildzoids video on 7800X3D overclocking, everything above 107 is basically unstable.
"i dont have any issue if i dont set bclk to 110."
"when i set it to 110 i get problems."
are you connecting the dots now?
I should’ve clipped in the part where we tried defaults, should have known the RUclips audience wouldn’t know what ECLK was 🤦
@@FrameChasers So this video wasn't made (as I wrongly presumed) to make AMD look bad like most of your other videos, but to show us that you learned new buzzword?
@@bstulic my videos are for gamers that just want to game, go buy AMD and enjoy it if you like it 🤷♂️
look i have a 5900x and i dont have the problem lol...my cpu-z/gpu-z doesnt take long to load, neither does my steam...i really dont know whats going on here hahah if its an x3D thing or what.
My 7800x3d works great :) running a asrock b650, 7800x3d, 7900 xtx. 4k gaming high refresh rate. No stability issues
Was having very long wait times At least 1 to 1 and a half minute wait for steam client to start up on my system. I have a 7800x3d.. I found this on the internet and it works for me. Disable cpu igpu from either bios Or device manager then restart your system.Now steam client opens in a few seconds. I tried this last night, and also I notice online Multiplayer fps is much snappier since I did this.
I tried this didnt work for me
i want to buy 7800x3d which motherboard`s should i go to ? also is it better spdf audio out then regular because not all have now hmm dont see reason why maybe cut prices
Strange... I have a 5800x3d as well with a 6950 xt, both are blazing fast with no stutters or freezes ever. My buddy just picked up the 7800x3d and its been fast and flawless for him... Maybe you got a shit sample or something wrong with your board?
@@kramnull8962 I figured that much, didn't say anything about a hand out. I bought my sample.
Use expo memory?
Saw the PowerPoint presentation of the Steam launcher. Holy shit
isnt xmp for intel and expo/docp for amd ? u using a620me msi ?
You can spend 10 Grand to a cpu and will be still shit if you dont know what youre doing
İt was 1993 when i bought my Amiga 1200 with Motorolla 68020cpu , upgraded the shit out of it. 68040 cpu 16mb ram instead 2mb, 350 mb ide HD, Magellan GPU. 56K Modem to internet. İ was having alot of fun. Years passed by, and i can tell this is the one and only processor sent me back to thoose days. Never had intel, ever! 7800x3d has the soul of Jay Miner . Hope AMD release their own computer. Hope they buy and survive Amiga, for the good of the universe. PC Games sucked alot, they have been great a decade ago. But to me its the time. 2023 is a great year to play games tho. And to play thoose games you need a 7800x3d (Amiga1200 of 2023)
bclk at 110 was your problem. That rant was a waste...
7800x3d is the most awesome cpu I ever had! Clear and easy installation. RAM speeds run perfect at 6400 MT/S and my temps with pbo and curve opt. Is so spot on. I recommend everyone buys this over any Intel product that is out right now.
Best gaming cpu on the marketing for sure
Run extremely well in games. But in my experience this might be petty, when I log onto steam after windows loads up, my system locks up for 5-10 seconds. Turning on my pc, boot time increased 15 seconds. Feels unstable out side of games .
My regular non 5800x doesn't have these issues. Has anyone else corroborated issues like these with you?
Not sure what you talk about! I have 7800x3d with MSI tomowhawck WiFi b650 and gigabyte 4090 oc. No problem very snappy. All I did fresh windows, chip set download, latest bios, windows 11 latest update, -30 on all core curve. If you need data or video reach out and I will prove it.
Did you test your -30 curve in the y-cruncher vst? It's stable?
Made it through the end of the video but god damn the amount of complaining.. sheesh.
110 blck?? why?