Only thing in Nolan's favor is just experience, considering how old he is. But he also is used to fighting mostly weaker fighters, while Krillin is used to fighting fighters many times stronger than him. Forcing Krillin to be a smarter fighter rather than overwhelming force.
@@Garviel-Loken I'd say he needs to get Krillin UNCONSCIOUS in space. I think huamn Z fighters could ki fly back into the atmosphere if it were only a short duration.
You guys are acting like krillin isnt faster than light. Not by a small margin. By a big fuxking one. Like. Millions. Hes also strong enough to destroy a planet. Like. Clusters. All at once. W/ no fucking sweat. This is POST potential unlocked krillin. Come the android saga hes even more powerful. You guys don't realize just how powerful he is. Nolan can't take him to space because that requires he takes krillin there. He can't even TOUCH krillin.
"flight speed does not equal combat speed" is something that death battle needs to understand because there have been too many fights where they use a characters running or flying speeds to decide a major point for the victor
There's a difference between being able to get up to speed gradually, and able to react and maneuver. Especially if they lack true kinetic force, like the Viltrumites should be able to easily vaporize a planet if they can really move at Billions X Lightspeed, they would be way more powerful than we see them depicted if they were, not to mention Relativity would become a factor. I kind of have head theory that they must be like a living warp drive, manipulating space in order to travel that fast.
I think Death Battle knows they can't please everyone so they just use maximum stats. Not saying it's accurate, just that they'd get just as much flak for being realistic because fans would complaign they are underpowering characters. I think giving the benifit of the doubt all characters is just the easier option so they go with that. It leads to entertaining fights, but increases the chance of weird outcomes like Dio vs. Alucard.
apparently by death battle logic a stheal airship which moves to the speed of sound, the pilot should also be able to move and react with the speed of sound even when outside the airship
One thing that is always referenced about Krillin, but never really talked about is how he actually has the best Ki control of the cast. Stuff like the destructo disk and bending ki-blast waves and having them do other crazy shit are things that other characters are able to do eventually, but only after Krillin does it first, and he's able to do that because his ki control lets him experiment like that.
I have to get this off my chest Omni man accelerates himself when he flies, that means that even if he can go FLT+ when traveling it isn't a "feat" its just basic physics. If nothing slows him down, and he can speed himself up, he can reach near-lightspeed under basic physics. When Krillin sidesteps near-FTL attacks he does that from standing still, and his flight might be slower but big deal basically? What is omni-man going to do charge headfirst at the fucking marital artist? Does that usually go well?
I've... never actually considered it like that, huh, i guess that's something i should consider going fowards. Like yeah, reaction times matter, but I've never considered acceleration.
@@MapperComunista According the invincible handbook, Viltrumite's faster than light travel works through smart atom based wormhole jumps that are generated when they try to accelerate beyond relativistic speeds. So they don't even really fly at faster than light speeds so much as they teleport if they try to fly really fast. Basically comic book physics.
Crazy thing is, Mr Satan - Hercule - is stupidly strong vs irl Humans. If he was alive today, he'd easily be in the running for strongest man alive. And he does this with no ki mastery at all. Yamcha is easily 10x that power with flight and projectiles. Satan and Yamcha would be powerful beings in any other universe, they just happen to share theirs with literal GODS (plural) of martial arts. It's like Dan in Street Fighter is a joke character, but would be one of the most powerful martial artists in the world irl and has access to limited gravity defying attacks and an imperfect but still present Hadoken ki blast, which would already allow him to beat many irl martial artists outright.
The thing with Krillin is that he fights dirty. He's got no issues with stabbing you in the back and will bring a mountain down upon the both of you if you get him cornered. In a way, this makes him a better fighter than Goku and can take on enemies that outrank him in power level.
@@mettachain True, but then again, Krillin can be easily intimidated, even by foes that are technically weaker than him. It's possible that Omni Man could indimmidate Krillin just enough to gain the upper hand.
The invincible fanboys need to realize that invincible characters are written and scaled to serve the invincible story not to beat up dragonball characters. Like you wouldn't have George Costanza from Seinfeld be a multiverse level threat that'd just be weird.
Well DBZ power scaling is also wack and not consistent at all. Apparently Namek saga Vegeta could destroy a planet? But then everyone punches each other? And then people just eat these planet destroying moves like they're made of water... None of it is consistent or makes sense.
@@pauld.b7129it does make sense, it’s just they’re stronger or around that level. 😐 even then, this isn’t meant to be shit that’s “real” fuckin aliens that shoot laser beams n fly at infinite speeds n shit, what’s real about that?
@pauld.b7129 "But then everyone punches each other?" I hate when people try to use this to downplay Dragon Ball characters. Yeah, they punch each other. And yeah, their punches have planet level+ AP. Is the Special Beam Cannon a fodder attack because it has low AoE? Is the Death Beam a fodder attack because it has low AoE? No, because the lower an attack's AoE, then the more AP and speed it has relative to the energy put into it. So to bring that logic to their punches, if they blew up a planet every time they punched each other, then their opponent would be taking literally thousands of times less damage for each hit. And with comic book/anime logic, impacts from their punches can only have so much AoE to begin with before needing to become ranged ki techniques.
But then that’s not really a fight at all, you’re just proving a point to the enemy that you’re not winning this fight and is running away with piss-stained pants. Although it’s a wise decision 😂
@@Swagtrap_CZima stop you here, some of y’all really just want db characters to be gods that you can glaze to eternity. Krillin is a human, he cannot breathe in space.
@ have you seen OG dragon ball? Goku sent monster carrot and his 2 henchmen on the moon where there’s no atmosphere (they’re shown to be still there in the moro arc). And krillin along with tien and roshi survived and fought in a realm of infinite nothingness. He can survive in space just fine.
When are people going to learn that comparing most characters to DBZ isn't fair, because DBZ is *the* series that created the concept of absurd Power Scaling. Outside of reality warperers, there's nearly no one that can touch even the lowest tier of DBZ character, solely because "their numbers are that big and we know how to quantify them".
The problem is that the series presented ridiculous feats for wow factor very early on, when it was mostly a gag manga & anime and consistency wasn't too important. So you have: - characters able to move so fast that the regular person's eye cannot see them, making them invisible - Muten Roshi destroy the moon in the 1st tournament - kid Goku able to dodge lightning, thus making him faster than light
I think it mostly that the taste people had in general in media changed overtime. DBZ and shonene inspired by it loved powerscaling and wow factor, while most new popular shonen or series MOSTLY use the jojo approach of ''I got some bs op ability that counter this dude op bs ability'' . So now we got 2 different kind of scaling clashing. As for Omniman being compared to dbz char I think it mostly cause people just can't unsee the fact he based on Superman and often just assume he a slightly weaker version on superman, When In reality movies and comics superman are way behond that level.
@@El3ctr0Lun4 Sry .. well you are kinda right .. but wanted point out that lightning is 270,000 mph and light is 186,000 miles per second ... but yeah your point still stands
Hence is why I know longer watch Death Battle. They have stopped caring about doing their job a long time ago. Ben 10 vs Green Lantern was the big showcase of that.
The Omnitrix literally can save Ben with a reaction time that is practically instantaneous (outside of a time bomb, but that helped create the prime timeline anyways) so Ben can pretty much never actually lose unless he goes up against a god-level threat.@@grantbarday5760
I can remember off the top of my head at least two times before the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight that showed that DB did not due their research and in one case was biased because of their parent company. The first Link vs Cloud gave it away by giving Link all his gear and then only giving Cloud starter gear, a ribbon, and his limit breaks. Said Link won because the gauntlets used to lift heavy objects he wore helped in the fight…. when the only time that gear is ever used for battle in any Zelda game is to either throw objects or toss stunned enemies. If they can fight back, they do nothing. They then had a “rematch” much later and had Cloud win, but it doesn’t change that they screwed up the first time around. The biased case was Yang vs Tifa and that was done because Rooster Teeth was a sister company under the same umbrella and the higher ups wanted Yang to win to make RWBY look good for the new season. They botched the showing by splitting it up into parts and accidentally showed the response to the fight before the fight. Don’t know if it’s true or not, but rumors sprang up later that one of the DB staff said that fight was wrong when they looked back at how bad of a job they did with info and Tifa would have won if they actually did research like they did somewhat with the Sephiroth battle. Someone else pointed out the stats for Tifa that was used put her beyond what Yang could handle.
Apparently Krillin was once stated to have reached a power level of 75,000 by the end of the Frieza saga, it's on the list of the canon power levels over on the DBZ Wiki. There is also a non-canon source, the video game DBZ Kakarot, that places Krillin's power level at 160,000 by the time of the Android Saga. Yeah, safe to say that Onni Man stands zero chance.
I’m just gonna say this Bardock(I mean giving him super Sayian was just overkill) should have won that fight. Deathbattle completely called that wrong, especially there feats. Well that why I watch it for entertainment rather than accuracy.
The problem just about any other time there was a shared feat, see Book of infinite pages feat for supes and dragging around earth for Wonder woman as examples they split the feat. But some reason they chose this specific feat to not only Not split between the three people who did it, but also removed the context of the feat. Now i would've been fine if Nolah won because of the genetics thing that he has, as i was expecting that base bardock was weaker somewhat ,**BIG MONKEY** bardock was equal and that SSJ bardock would mop the floor with Nolan. I was even Ok with the argument that Bardock would have bad Ki control with SSJ. But they said that said that Bardock was equal to guy who could wave his hand and blow up three planets, then gave him Ozaru, and then SSJ and still said he's weaker, while a guy who needed the help of two other people, and a third guy even destabilizing the planet, that correct me if im wrong, Could still get them killed if they messed up the timing even Slightly. I'm glad DB is back, but that Calc wasn't it chief.
Worse: they were including every b.s. thing short of Heroes for Bardock. That would imply the idea of the Gold Oozaru, the version Vegeta had thought of the original Super Saiyan during the Namek saga, would be fair game, so even though he wouldn't get Super Saiyan 4 (which is frankly b.s., he'd just need to get used to Super Saiyan and he'd get it in no time, but since he isn't in GT their rules mean it wouldn't count) he would logically be able to activate Super Saiyan and Oozaru simultaneously, putting him at roughly 10 times the strength of first form Frieza, which should, in theory, be enough to annihilate anyone on Omniman's level.
At best, Omni-man can beat the humans in the red ribbon army, excluding Tao. If they aren't human or a basic animal/dinosaur, Omni-man gets wrecked. Then, of the main cast, probably the only one that can fight that he MIGHT beat is chi-chi. And that's largely just due to the fact that she can't fly or manipulate ki in any way. He may be relative to cyborg Tao and have an advantage since Tao also can't fly
@@crazedmodz4835 Yes he absolutely can. He casually scales above star levels like tech jacket, tech jacket has star level scaling in his own comics and the skybound website confirms he is canon to invincible
If Nolan gets lucky, he will fight Krillin. Because Krillin is incapable of killing another person, maybe if he Kills his daughter. But then you have to add 18 to the mix.
A pissed off 18 is the last person you'd want to fight considering she was bored when she broke the arm of Earth's second most powerful fighter (sorry Vegeta). It's fair to say she'd make you suffer to your last.
Even without scaling, krillin is one of the best martial artists EVER. If he used his solar flare then a destructo disc its OVER. Omni man has no chance and he never will.
Exactly. Didn't destructo disk cut off part of Frieza's tail? The writers do Krillin dirty. If he could master multi form technique and if each clone threw a solar flare/destructo disk combo he could defeat any mortal being.
@@matthewgagnon9426Because he doesn't need it for a scrub. Omniman would be dead before solar flare even wears off just from a few unblocked punches from Krillin
I have always said Dragon ball characters are god tier in all other series. Yamcha is Goku in any other series. Cecil wishes he could recruit from the DB earth.
almost every character in dbz can blow up a planet since the android saga. dbz characters are so powerful the story makes no sense if you think about it for too long.
Omniman: *Punches Krillin* Krillin: "Sir, you are under arrest." *fist still lodged in face* Omniman: *Punches Krillin harder* Krillin: "I warned you." *face still barely budging with the other fist in it now* 18: "Hey..."
Yeah, this is a boring video. Not in a sense it sucks but in the sense of pretty obvious who’s gonna win Krillin. What I would’ve loved to see yajorobi!
@@KamiAnimeS1They'll only stop downplaying krillin when the writers themselves stop downplaying him and all the other side characters. Haven't seen Super, but if everything before Super is anything to go by, everyone besides Goku gets their ass kicked and have more losses than wins on average, so it's fair for people to think they're weak even if they're wrong. They don't need to beat the main villain, just show them beating the main villain's lackeys or something, ANYTHING other than making them kiss dirt every fight.
Power scaling fails. Omniman wins on experience and sheer brutality, while Krillin wins on technical skill and his techniques. Every power scaling discussion boils down to feat comparison. Krillin wins from Solar Flare into Destructo Disk. Blind Omniman to the follow up attack, cut him into ribbons.
To be fair, power scaling in Dragon Ball is often inconsistent, especially with transformations and plot-driven power boosts, prioritizing dramatic effect over logical progression. If we were to compare it to other superheroes, it would make more sense to analyze it saga by saga. For instance, in early Dragon Ball, a single Kamehameha from a bulky Master Roshi was powerful enough to destroy a moon.
DBZ power scaling is ridiculously wack though. Everyone stronger than Tien apparently can destroy a planet which is ridiculous. Half the time the Kamehameha is just like a water gun to enemies, even though it could theoretically destroy the planet. Krillin is also scared and rarely uses his abilities in any useful way.
I really like keeping flight speed in a vacuum and movement speed in planetary atmosphere differently. This actually solves a lot of confusion with certain things. In a vacuum you can keep gaining speed without the friction to slow you down or the need to use more energy to go faster. Does indeed fix a lot of inconsistencies with a lot of anime.
Solar flare + destructo Disk and its done....You know Omniman would be over confident due to Krillin being a human.....and if he dodged he would get beat down anyways.
Sorry in advance for being the paragraph guy But, according to my limited knowledge, bardock is at the power level of 10k, which is EXACTLY at planet busting level, and other saiyans, such as king vegeta, have been shown destroying multiple planets with flicks of their wrists, and saiyan saga vegeta is supposedly stronger than his father, at 18k, so let's say king vegeta is 15k, 15k to destroy 3 planets with a wave, and omni-man needed 2 other viltrumites to destroy an unstable planet, accounting for this, he's like 1/4th planet level, meaning bardock would rock his shit with 1 punch, as toriyama states that one only needs a 20% higher power level to easily defeat an opponent
Omni man is not beating any SOLO planetary character because he is a fruad,let alone a multi planetary character(a PL of 9k+ is multi planetary without trying,King Vegeta blew up multiple hands without trying)
@@Image_empire in Omni man’s own words, he said he would die on contact if he hit the planet a little bit off, and you said that he was able to scale to star level make it make sense. The math ain’t nothing and also King Vegeta and Bardock are able to destroy planets with the wave of their hands Bardock a little bit more difficult but still since you’re similar to each other last time I checked, it took the planet of being destabilized three viltrmites and a lot of prep time to actually destroy the planet, so where is the math?
@@rozonmcdonald8750 I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size. Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar) Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar) High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
@ I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size. Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar) Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar) High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
Although I do agree that Krillin bodies Nolan any day of the week, there's two points you made in the vid that I feel are kindof disingenuous. First off, no way in hell Krillin is universal level. Solar system, sure. Maybe. But the gap between solar and galaxy is large AF Let alone UNIVERSAL. And Krillin does NOT have the stamina to wipe out a galaxy. Let alone the universe. Put some respect to how freaking LARGE these two things actually are. He's strong, but he's not THAT strong. Him being able to contend with Goku in Super Sayan form doesn't mean he's as strong as a Super Sayan, it means he's skillful at the very least and passes the minimum bar to not get insta-gibbed. The rest is just skill and wit. Which is entirely to his credit, but you're elevating it all way too much. Saying Krillin is as strong as Super Sayan Goku because he can win against him in a fight is like saying a spike trap can get the same mileage as a car because it can stop it. The second bit that got me, is the "light speed" feet. Again, it's already known that the Z fighters regularly fight at speeds that the eye can't follow, but that example of Goku "out-speeding a solar flare" does not co-relate with him going as fast as the light itself. Tien having to pose and take the time to yell his attack is all the tell and time Goku needed to act BEFORE the technique actually went off. In any game with a dodge roll, you don't dodge after the attack is launched, you dodge the moment you know what the attack is and where it's going to hit. After that, it doesn't matter how fast the attack is, if you aren't there to start with. A normal human being that dodges a bullet never dodges the bullet, but moves out of the trajectory BEFORE the shot is fired. He is not actually faster then the bullet. Death Battle ALWAYS gets this bit wrong. Conclusion, though I agree with the result, the analysis is clearly biased. Low balling one and super high-balling the other.
haven't finished the video, but im assuming its Super Saiyan Blue goku VS Krillin. think of it like this, Super Saiyan 1 is 50x, SS2 is 100x, SS3 is like 300-500x, then Blue is tens or hundreds of thousands multiplied
Before watching video: When talking about the Avg and leaving out outliers like Vegeta and Omniman and other powerhouses the average sayan and Viltrimite are around equal. Both can’t blow up a planet but they can wipe out life on planets. When looking at those outliers though, yeah even in Sayan saga Vegeta scales way past Omniman/Mark at end of series.
DBZ power scaling is absurdly broken, a lot of people don't like to admit it, but Yamcha the character who became a meme and a joke, stomps most universes, and does heavy duty damage to others. I cant think of any where he just flat out stomped, I'm sure they exist, I just might not be familiar with em. There ya go, that's an idea for you for a good rage bait series, "Does yamcha stomp X universe?"
the problem with dragon ball characters is that there is an official power scale built in; a power level of 140 is moon level destruction because of roshi, krillin at the start of z at 200 is pressing omniman so hard, not to meantion if you threw in krillin post saiyan saga or namek arc. omniman gets washed by the some of the background characters in the BD universe
Normal humans have around 10 power level, well trained guards have around 50 power level, the most strong humans (without KI) have around 100 power level and they cannot break a thick wall with their fists, how can plus 40 power level than the strongest people without KI can make someone jumps from "not able to break a wall or building" to "blow up the moon"? I have asked this several times, no one answered me yet.
@@ABaumstumpf nope, where it was told the shotgun has any power level? It was for the farmer himself, not "farmer with a shotgun", you're not telling me that the reader knows what a shotgun is, do you? About the rest, there is little information about other people's power level, most come from magazines and a few posts, nothing really official, so you have the right to question the veracity of the info, I just brought what I searched for. I found an official data about Bulma having a power level of 12, her father is above 10 as well, and they are not very strong compared to other normal humans characters. But even with a max power level of 10, someone with 140 power levels is just 14 times stronger, not even barely enough to scratch the moon. If you do the math, even if humans had a power level of 5 this would not make sense. It's just math dude, nothing complicated to understand. Can you explain to me how someone just 14 times stronger than a normal human can destroy a moon?
@@DragonGMB "nope, where it was told the shotgun has any power level?" Did i ever claim so? No. But thanks again for showing that you are nothing but a liar. "I just brought what I searched for" Making shit up is not research. "someone with 140 power levels is just 14 times stronger, not even barely enough to scratch the moon" Well that shows clearly that your assertions are wrong: Cause that DID happen in DB. Not just once. "Can you explain to me how someone just 14 times stronger than a normal human can destroy a moon?" You are making the claims - YOU have to explain how any of your bullshit is supposed to work. Your strawmen don't cut it.
@@ABaumstumpf I found the official chart with the Power Level of a lot of characters, Bulma was mentioned to have 12 power level, I have tried to post the link here as proof, but RUclips thinks the link is spam so I cannot provide the link here. Before calling someone liar make sure you're right or you'll end biting your own tongue. Just look for official power level charts and you'll eventually find the one with Bulma. It is shown in a wiki as well, I don't fully trust on wikis, but at least they have left the images as evidence and proof. The images can be found around the internet, they're very old so require a very deep search to find the original file, good luck with that. In addition to that, I ask you to use math on the power level of the weakest humans and compare with Roshi power level when he destroyed the moon, do this and compare the difference, calculate the enough energy necessary to destroy a moon and then reach a result, do it for yourself, I'm tired of people just calling others liars before even trying to use official data like the farmer to do a simple math and find the results. I don't care what they have shown in the anime and manga, the numbers doesn't make sense, that's why math exists. For your reference, to destroy the moon requires around 10^29 joules of energy, the strongest man in real life can punch with a strength of around 1000 joules, even if we consider humans from Dragon Ball much stronger than humans from real life, lets say, 10 times stronger, if you follow the values provided by the anime, do some calcs using joules as potency, you'll find out that Roshi was not even be able to barely scratch the moon. The numbers doesn't lie. Unless you're able to use math to prove I'm wrong, I don't think we can continue with this conversation.
More science and math went into this video than all of Dragonball haha And I 100% agree. There's no scenario where Omniman would win, based on canonical feats in both series
Your point about red rush was a good one. If Nolan could fight at light speed alone then red rush should have been a piece of cake. He clearly struggled to get him Early in the fight. Imo, speed was the only thing omni man had over DBZ.
5:21 "But first to understand how fast Krillin is we have to back to chapter 130 of Dragonball" LMFAO BRO WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO ORIGINAL DB, CLOWNING SO HARD ON OMNIMAN LMFAOOO
The speed thing is an interesting take. Becasue omniman has a ton of anti speed feats, even in the comics. I mean the guardians of the globe defeated omniman in one timeline. Meaning his combat speed was comparable to theirs.😂 and darkwing has no super speed. And while the databook claims travel speed = combat speed for allen, it also says on a planets atmosphere they dont go above mach 10. 😂 So his speed is all over the place. Not that it matters for this fight. Krillen would be faster regardless.
@@nuclearwaste2062 You do realize that darkwing didn’t participate in that fight righty? Even then that just upscales the guardians and in an atmosphere it may say that but not because they can’t go faster, they choose not to, to not destroy the planet. But even then it’s been disproven in canon when invincible and others dodge laser weapons and lighting stated to travel at 60,000 miles per second. And after all of that travel should equal reaction speed regardless
@@unrecognizably Saiyan saga had the feat where he dodged asteroids on his trip to namek, I’ve seen calcs getting that to 1.4 trillion to 2.3 trillion times FTL. Omni man does have metas that get higher than that
If these guys are destroying planets, i feel like their basic strikes would at least be annihilating massive swaths of land, just from the shockwave made by swinging a punch alone.
People need to realize death battle hates all things dragon ball. They get everything wrong on purpose cus the angry fan base brings a lot of interaction and they make money off the videos.
Some settings just have lower scales. Invincible is one of those. The only way to make sense of the ludicrous space travel in that series is to assume that topnend flyers like Allen and Viltrumites can "push" off of nothing, allowing them near infinite straight line acceleration for distance travel. That, or the universe is just much smaller. I dont remember what the comics said, but I remember season two Nolan telling Mark that the trip back to Earth from Thraxa was "millions of miles". That wouldnt even get you to the sun in our own universe.
@@rafaelpereira7815 To date, they've pumped out three planet busting half-Saiyans, one hell of an Earthling, a relatively-badass-in-her-own-right-but-unfortunately-she's-from-GT quarter-Saiyan, and the jury's still out on Krillin and 18's kid.
So to really understand the context of the Viltrum feat it gets looked at as just a standard planet which it isn’t Thaedus who said that if He, Nolan, Mark, Tech Jacket, and Allen didn’t hit the planet at the exact same time as the laser they would most likely die Except one major issue with his statement is that literally every thing that could have gone wrong in that final assault went wrong Allen and Tech Jacket were intercepted during the final assault leaving it to the 3 Viltrumites who thought they were on a suicide mission And low and behold when we do get the full scope of the destruction we discover that the Infinity Ray has already passed through the planet just as the Viltrumites crash into its surface meaning the core of Viltrum was already restabilized which Thaedus feared would happen This means that Nolan, Mark and Thaedus were solely responsible for the planet’s destruction The destruction of a planet that is capable of surviving Star level attacks Meaning that Nolan is far and above planet level
Honestly i think a lot of dragon ball tourists forget that by super, almost everyone that can use their ki is planetary level. Except Frieza, basically everyone's ki attacks are hitting either another beam, a person, or going into space. Just because they aren't nuking planets every arc doesn't mean they arent planet level
Durability probably also bears mentioning; everything you've said is on point, but durability I've noticed in DBZ is an issue. Goku in as far along in the story as Dragon ball super nearly dies to being shot by a normal gun, and back in the saiyan saga Vegeta gets cut with a sword (with Krillin intending on finishing the job, meaning it's possible to cut him). Krillin's destructo disc would absolutely slice Omni-man in half, but Omni-man likewise could slice Krilling apart too but with his bare hands. Just how powerful is a punch from Krillin vs a punch from Omni-man, and can Krillin survive a punch intended to kill from Omni-man.
The important part of those scenes is Goku letting his guard down, which is shown constantly to affect durability, and Vegeta already being on death’s door and unable to use his ki to reinforce himself. Krillin would be perfectly fine, might even be a nice massage for him.
One thing you need to remember is Krillin's mentality. He has a very low level of self esteem. He constantly has to be reminded that he is as a good fighter. In the Dragonball Resurrection F movie, he started to worry about the henchmen taking him out, until someone reminded him to calm down as he personally faced Frieza and survived. Once he got his emotions in order he functioned fine. Omni Man has no fears and would not hold back. But if Krillin thinks he can win he will do fine. He can keep the fight at a distance, were as Omni Man must get into close quarters. Also, Krillin might have a resilient body from training, but I think a hit from Omni would be fatal depending were he is hit.
Dragon ball show: fist fights and small explosions Dragon ball fans "oh but this person is relative to this person who is relative to this person who (etc etc)...is relative to this person who blew up the moon which makes him smal universal"
Those power scalers think they're so smart when they say an hydrogen bomb would win against an ebola infected baby. Instead of being lazy, try to discuss a somewhat close match up for once and put Omniman against Raditz without using anime filler material.
@image_empire No he would not, as in the start of Dragon Ball Z, we are introduced to power levels. Piccolo Jr. (at the start of Z) is around 300 on the scale and easily blows up the moon without much effort training Gohan after Raditz, before he really trained himself/got stronger. Now, Raditz is at the powers level of 1200ish if I remember right, also around that of ONE Saibman, meaning he can easily do 4 times the amount of energy it takes to blow up the moon easily with just one ki laser.
@@liammcgill5270 Characters like tech jacket who in his own comics had star level scaling, states he can’t hang with Omni man or mark. But for some more grounded stuff, the viltrum bust is far more impressive than you think. I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size. Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar) Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar) High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
@@liammcgill5270The thing is the moon feat is irrelevant since early z was gag .King piccolo who way stronger than Roshi care barely wipe out a city .
Vegteta in the Saiyan Saga is Katana Tier. That same Katana that maimed and would have killed Vegeta would have broke on Omni-Man. Power levels and Master Roshi blowing up the moon were an absolute catastrophe for not just Dragon Ball, but power scaling as a concept and all of fiction.
In general the DB universe tends to be semi-consistant on suprise attacks only being countered by a truly overwhelming power differential. Also, one can generally expect weapons to be able to carry one's ki, making Trunks' sword a usable weapon as an example. Arguably, what you're talking about is mostly a quirk of Ki as a system, and Yajirobe, while not *that* strong, happens to only be a few dozens times weaker than Vegeta at worst, and thus more then able to cut his tail. The true answer is Toriyama doing whatever he wants, but that doesn't mean DB isn't at least roughly consistant with itself.
You're misunderstanding how Ki VS. Viltrumite physiology works. Think of it like this, Vegeta isn't super durable on his own, but he reinforces himself with Ki, which makes him infinitely more durable than a Viltrumite. However, if he's distracted or caught off-guard, he isn't defending himself and is weaker. Viltrumites have far more natural durability, but they're far weaker than a Ki-reinforced Vegeta, even pre Saiyan Saga
I do think the viltrumite biology plays a bigger role in making omniman not necessarily stand a chance but be a little harder than a speedbump to roll cause viltrumite bodies are ridiculously tough right like theyre resistant to most forms of damage to some level or other while the z fighters arent really naturally resistant but have like ki defenses right so I reckon omni man is built different enough that Id give him upto a minute instead of a few seconds
The vacuum of space doesn't really have much in the way of friction, so provided you keep adding energy you can accelerate far faster than you'd be able to on a planet with atmosphere and thus air resistance. That's why space ships use Ion thrusters because even though they lack the same power as conventional engine they last far longer without refueling or even indefinitely not an expert of aerospace engineering.
Something I have often said when bringing up dragonball characters. By the nature of the story they are in they scale to galaxy if not universal levels of power. Most other franchises deal with planetary at best. This does not mean that other characters are not strong or interesting, but it does mean if we are being objective the majority of characters outside of dragonball would never be able to fight a dragonball character they just are not in the same weight class and that is fine. It is hard for the human mind to even comprehend the level of power needed to remove a city let alone a planet this is why most stories dont go beyond that scale it just is to hard to picture as it is far beyond the experience of anyone.
To be fair Death Battle also thinks Superman can beat Goku. People forget as fast as superman is, even Krillin is faster at combat speeds then Supes is.
Technically, the "strength" stat is probably their worst physical one. Their striking power power vastly outstrips their ability to move or lift large objects. However, Goku's "faster than light" feat in dragonball vs Tien is nonsense. It's literally just the author ignoring physics, and shouldn't be taken seriously. You'd have a better argument that light travels inexplicably slowly sometimes.
I think a fairly direspectful but honest test of strenght for most settings is "can they kill a Saibaman through sheer power?". And in this case, I feel the answer is a fairly solid "no", so anything beyond a Saibaman is an easy win for DBZ.
Baby Broly solos that universe handily. Tanked a planet destroying attack with his dad in tow and flew through space only a week or so old. The remade Broly is canonically the same person, with a different upbringing. Scary dude!
Another thing to remember is that Vegeta's power level was 18,000 on Earth BEFORE he learned that it was possible to increase your power level without a transformation. If Goku's kamehameha vs Radditz took him from ~400 to over 900, then Krillin should be able to at least achieve a doubling of his power with a similar charge, making him more on par with Goku at the end of the Saiyan saga when he beat Vegeta in the beam struggle. Another thing to keep in mind is that Krillin is just more skilled than most. His ki manipulation is next level. Scattershot and kienzan are both higher level techniques. He's used to fighting at a power deficit. Long story short, the only way to beat Krillin is to overpower him by at least about 50%.
Saiyan saga Vegeta is planet level, Vegeta later gets bodied by Recoom even though he had multiple zenkai boosts, Yamcha later beats Recoom on King Kai's planet, Yamcha could probably solo the invincible verse
Let's make a correction: Dodging solar Flare don't even need FTL. Just need to close your eyes and/or move in response to the arm motions necessary for the technique. Not the flash itself. That is still supersonic (maybe less as people aren't getting blown away?) tier.
Normally, I don’t comment, but I’m getting tired of seeing these videos about who would win against two fictional characters. The winner of any of these is whoever the author decides is going to win. If the writer wants character A to win, then no matter what their stats are they’re gonna win. Same if they want character B to win. I know it’s a thought exercise but it really doesn’t matter who the creator of the video says, it really doesn’t make a difference because the author of whatever media the two characters are meeting in is going to decide who wins.
@sbthesage2100 because you don't like my opinion, you're calling me a bot? Is it because I pay attention to grammar? Or is it because I like to make my thoughts clear? I'm genuinely asking. I'm autistic so sometimes I put too much effort into communication because otherwise my thoughts get all jumbled up. If it's just because you don't like my opinion and want to reduce me to an inanimate object, then so be it, but if it's something else I would like to know.
Krillin survives sex with 18 every single night. He’s a true warrior.
No, 18 survives sex with _Krillin._ He's just gentleman enough to let her win.
yeah and she have infinite stamina
`Ok, imma blow up this planet with my pinky while forehead-flicking mustache-Sam here into space, what next?``
shenron said the wish would be easier to grant by just making it smaller
@@supergiantrobot3501 She would be toast with multi-form.
Only thing in Nolan's favor is just experience, considering how old he is. But he also is used to fighting mostly weaker fighters, while Krillin is used to fighting fighters many times stronger than him. Forcing Krillin to be a smarter fighter rather than overwhelming force.
Nolan does have another feat in his favour. His ability to survive in space.
If he can get Krillin to space it's game over but that's a big if.
@@Garviel-Loken I'd say he needs to get Krillin UNCONSCIOUS in space. I think huamn Z fighters could ki fly back into the atmosphere if it were only a short duration.
You guys are acting like krillin isnt faster than light. Not by a small margin. By a big fuxking one. Like. Millions. Hes also strong enough to destroy a planet. Like. Clusters. All at once. W/ no fucking sweat. This is POST potential unlocked krillin. Come the android saga hes even more powerful. You guys don't realize just how powerful he is. Nolan can't take him to space because that requires he takes krillin there. He can't even TOUCH krillin.
@@Garviel-Lokenif. If he can. How could he?
@@iGuy28that's right. Love people trying to compare these 2 universes. Omni man would get his ass owned.
Krillin???? Get bro past yajirobe first 😭
Got omni man like split Frieza.
Yajirobe??? get past Yamcha first😂
get pass kid gohan 1st or baby broly
@@totemas2010isn’t Yamcha stronger then yajirobe
@@totemas2010 Yamcha is vastly stonger than Yajirobe silly.
“Stand proud Omni Man.. you were strong.” - Yamcha
im pissing myself laughing
Dude, you just Yamcha'd Omni-Man with Yamcha! That's both an epic burn and the epitome of Irony.
bro bring out the siyba man
Damn, That burn got me from all the way over here
If Chi Chi was in Invincible she would be one of the top tiers
Farmer with shotgun solos omni man
@@ImtoolazytomakenamesRegular humans in DB with no ki control with be kill by omniman
@@tauceti8060 Its clearly a joke dude
Chi chi is not a full blooded human, and she was kicking gokus ass when they first met. Js. It actually checks out with her. @@tauceti8060
Chi chi is also highly slept on because she is simply a background character. But she's actually quite strong, and not a full blooded human anyway.
Krillin's expert martial arts skills are also just pure overkill😂
`Ok, imma blow up this planet with my pinky while forehead-flicking mustache-Sam here into space, what next?``
Bro’s not getting past farmer with a shotgun 😭
😂😂
didnt that guy get killed on several occasions?
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That’s hurcules martial arts teach
Perfect Cell from DAU
"I burned down his farm"
"It wasn't that kind of farm" 😂
"flight speed does not equal combat speed" is something that death battle needs to understand because there have been too many fights where they use a characters running or flying speeds to decide a major point for the victor
There's a difference between being able to get up to speed gradually, and able to react and maneuver. Especially if they lack true kinetic force, like the Viltrumites should be able to easily vaporize a planet if they can really move at Billions X Lightspeed, they would be way more powerful than we see them depicted if they were, not to mention Relativity would become a factor. I kind of have head theory that they must be like a living warp drive, manipulating space in order to travel that fast.
Death battle is spectacle. Kinda like game theory. Entertaining but inaccurate.
@Skullhawk13 very true, the only reason I watch them is for the fight animations
I think Death Battle knows they can't please everyone so they just use maximum stats. Not saying it's accurate, just that they'd get just as much flak for being realistic because fans would complaign they are underpowering characters. I think giving the benifit of the doubt all characters is just the easier option so they go with that. It leads to entertaining fights, but increases the chance of weird outcomes like Dio vs. Alucard.
apparently by death battle logic a stheal airship which moves to the speed of sound, the pilot should also be able to move and react with the speed of sound even when outside the airship
One thing that is always referenced about Krillin, but never really talked about is how he actually has the best Ki control of the cast. Stuff like the destructo disk and bending ki-blast waves and having them do other crazy shit are things that other characters are able to do eventually, but only after Krillin does it first, and he's able to do that because his ki control lets him experiment like that.
You forgot Yamcha's Sokidan that was before any of Krillin's best ki control feats
@@priestesslucy That's also the only thing he's got tho xD
@@FookinIsh ...what about Tien?
@@Feelthehigh289 Tien's my favorite character, but his most creative move is a square ki blast :P
@@FookinIshwhile he forms a triangle with his hands lol
I have to get this off my chest
Omni man accelerates himself when he flies, that means that even if he can go FLT+ when traveling it isn't a "feat" its just basic physics.
If nothing slows him down, and he can speed himself up, he can reach near-lightspeed under basic physics.
When Krillin sidesteps near-FTL attacks he does that from standing still, and his flight might be slower but big deal basically? What is omni-man going to do charge headfirst at the fucking marital artist? Does that usually go well?
Yeah not to mention this speed only works in space where nothing can slow down his momentum. There's nigh no ftl feats on earth or any planet
Also, by using physics, you reach the speed of light is impossible
I've... never actually considered it like that, huh, i guess that's something i should consider going fowards. Like yeah, reaction times matter, but I've never considered acceleration.
@MapperComunista it's comic book physics. Nolan flew from earth to thraxa, which is in another galaxy, in a couple of weeks.
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According the invincible handbook, Viltrumite's faster than light travel works through smart atom based wormhole jumps that are generated when they try to accelerate beyond relativistic speeds.
So they don't even really fly at faster than light speeds so much as they teleport if they try to fly really fast.
Basically comic book physics.
Maybe one day, Omni Man can beat Yamcha if he trains hard enough!
yamcha moro arc is even stronger now
WOLF FAAAAAAAAAAANG FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIST
`Ok, imma blow up this planet with my pinky while forehead-flicking mustache-Sam here into space, what next?``
Crazy thing is, Mr Satan - Hercule - is stupidly strong vs irl Humans. If he was alive today, he'd easily be in the running for strongest man alive. And he does this with no ki mastery at all. Yamcha is easily 10x that power with flight and projectiles. Satan and Yamcha would be powerful beings in any other universe, they just happen to share theirs with literal GODS (plural) of martial arts. It's like Dan in Street Fighter is a joke character, but would be one of the most powerful martial artists in the world irl and has access to limited gravity defying attacks and an imperfect but still present Hadoken ki blast, which would already allow him to beat many irl martial artists outright.
Woah woah woah hot stuff let us start with Yajirobe first and see if he can even beat him before moving on to the more powerful fighters! 🤣
The thing with Krillin is that he fights dirty. He's got no issues with stabbing you in the back and will bring a mountain down upon the both of you if you get him cornered. In a way, this makes him a better fighter than Goku and can take on enemies that outrank him in power level.
Krillin has always had to fight foes stronger than him. Omni Man is the opposite. Krillin knows how to exploit a situation.
@@mettachain True, but then again, Krillin can be easily intimidated, even by foes that are technically weaker than him. It's possible that Omni Man could indimmidate Krillin just enough to gain the upper hand.
The invincible fanboys need to realize that invincible characters are written and scaled to serve the invincible story not to beat up dragonball characters.
Like you wouldn't have George Costanza from Seinfeld be a multiverse level threat that'd just be weird.
Well DBZ power scaling is also wack and not consistent at all. Apparently Namek saga Vegeta could destroy a planet? But then everyone punches each other? And then people just eat these planet destroying moves like they're made of water... None of it is consistent or makes sense.
It's because their durability is above planet level...should not be hard to understand@@pauld.b7129
George "T-Bone" Castanza solos the Invincible multiverse. Prove me wrong, Kirkman.
@@pauld.b7129it does make sense, it’s just they’re stronger or around that level. 😐 even then, this isn’t meant to be shit that’s “real” fuckin aliens that shoot laser beams n fly at infinite speeds n shit, what’s real about that?
@pauld.b7129 "But then everyone punches each other?"
I hate when people try to use this to downplay Dragon Ball characters. Yeah, they punch each other. And yeah, their punches have planet level+ AP.
Is the Special Beam Cannon a fodder attack because it has low AoE? Is the Death Beam a fodder attack because it has low AoE? No, because the lower an attack's AoE, then the more AP and speed it has relative to the energy put into it. So to bring that logic to their punches, if they blew up a planet every time they punched each other, then their opponent would be taking literally thousands of times less damage for each hit. And with comic book/anime logic, impacts from their punches can only have so much AoE to begin with before needing to become ranged ki techniques.
This is the definition of a super nova vs a still born baby💀
Fr they couldn't even get past Mr satan
Nobody can win against Mr satan he killed cell something even Goku couldn't do
@@Akshay5567-hf2kwHe also beat that bastard Beebus.
@@Blacktemplarmarine354 Nobody stands a chance against his world famous Dynamite Kick technique.
@@TinyDeskEngineerwhy do I get the feeling if he was one of the z fighters the move would been long upgraded to nuclear levels?
Nolan's only advantage is being able to survive in space. So he could run away I guess.
Hes not outrunning a ki blast
If monster carrot and his 2 very much human henchmen were able to survive on the moon, krillin can survive in vacuum aswell
But then that’s not really a fight at all, you’re just proving a point to the enemy that you’re not winning this fight and is running away with piss-stained pants. Although it’s a wise decision 😂
@@Swagtrap_CZima stop you here, some of y’all really just want db characters to be gods that you can glaze to eternity. Krillin is a human, he cannot breathe in space.
@ have you seen OG dragon ball? Goku sent monster carrot and his 2 henchmen on the moon where there’s no atmosphere (they’re shown to be still there in the moro arc). And krillin along with tien and roshi survived and fought in a realm of infinite nothingness. He can survive in space just fine.
When are people going to learn that comparing most characters to DBZ isn't fair, because DBZ is *the* series that created the concept of absurd Power Scaling. Outside of reality warperers, there's nearly no one that can touch even the lowest tier of DBZ character, solely because "their numbers are that big and we know how to quantify them".
The problem is that the series presented ridiculous feats for wow factor very early on, when it was mostly a gag manga & anime and consistency wasn't too important. So you have:
- characters able to move so fast that the regular person's eye cannot see them, making them invisible
- Muten Roshi destroy the moon in the 1st tournament
- kid Goku able to dodge lightning, thus making him faster than light
I think it mostly that the taste people had in general in media changed overtime. DBZ and shonene inspired by it loved powerscaling and wow factor, while most new popular shonen or series MOSTLY use the jojo approach of ''I got some bs op ability that counter this dude op bs ability'' . So now we got 2 different kind of scaling clashing.
As for Omniman being compared to dbz char I think it mostly cause people just can't unsee the fact he based on Superman and often just assume he a slightly weaker version on superman, When In reality movies and comics superman are way behond that level.
@@El3ctr0Lun4 Sry .. well you are kinda right .. but wanted point out that lightning is 270,000 mph and light is 186,000 miles per second ... but yeah your point still stands
My GOAT Bardock was robbed.
Spitting here, sir!
Hence is why I know longer watch Death Battle. They have stopped caring about doing their job a long time ago. Ben 10 vs Green Lantern was the big showcase of that.
The Omnitrix literally can save Ben with a reaction time that is practically instantaneous (outside of a time bomb, but that helped create the prime timeline anyways) so Ben can pretty much never actually lose unless he goes up against a god-level threat.@@grantbarday5760
@@grantbarday5760i swear they fully lean on the rage bait for views now lol
@@420snipsmcgeedatboi8 wouldn’t surprise me. They’re not a respectable channel anymore and they know it lol
I can remember off the top of my head at least two times before the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight that showed that DB did not due their research and in one case was biased because of their parent company.
The first Link vs Cloud gave it away by giving Link all his gear and then only giving Cloud starter gear, a ribbon, and his limit breaks. Said Link won because the gauntlets used to lift heavy objects he wore helped in the fight…. when the only time that gear is ever used for battle in any Zelda game is to either throw objects or toss stunned enemies. If they can fight back, they do nothing. They then had a “rematch” much later and had Cloud win, but it doesn’t change that they screwed up the first time around.
The biased case was Yang vs Tifa and that was done because Rooster Teeth was a sister company under the same umbrella and the higher ups wanted Yang to win to make RWBY look good for the new season. They botched the showing by splitting it up into parts and accidentally showed the response to the fight before the fight.
Don’t know if it’s true or not, but rumors sprang up later that one of the DB staff said that fight was wrong when they looked back at how bad of a job they did with info and Tifa would have won if they actually did research like they did somewhat with the Sephiroth battle. Someone else pointed out the stats for Tifa that was used put her beyond what Yang could handle.
Apparently Krillin was once stated to have reached a power level of 75,000 by the end of the Frieza saga, it's on the list of the canon power levels over on the DBZ Wiki. There is also a non-canon source, the video game DBZ Kakarot, that places Krillin's power level at 160,000 by the time of the Android Saga. Yeah, safe to say that Onni Man stands zero chance.
@@shikamaru317 can you tell me where that’s stated
@@Sage-2002 The wiki lists the source for the 75,000 power level in the Frieza saga as V-Jump.
Krillin is atleast a million by the android saga. Thats craziness
I’m just gonna say this Bardock(I mean giving him super Sayian was just overkill) should have won that fight. Deathbattle completely called that wrong, especially there feats. Well that why I watch it for entertainment rather than accuracy.
I think even Nappa could kill Omni Man. Get bro passed Raditz first
They're VERY bad when it comes to a feats where it involved people HELPING. I think they did this mistake before with one version of superman.
The problem just about any other time there was a shared feat, see Book of infinite pages feat for supes and dragging around earth for Wonder woman as examples they split the feat. But some reason they chose this specific feat to not only Not split between the three people who did it, but also removed the context of the feat.
Now i would've been fine if Nolah won because of the genetics thing that he has, as i was expecting that base bardock was weaker somewhat ,**BIG MONKEY** bardock was equal and that SSJ bardock would mop the floor with Nolan. I was even Ok with the argument that Bardock would have bad Ki control with SSJ. But they said that said that Bardock was equal to guy who could wave his hand and blow up three planets, then gave him Ozaru, and then SSJ and still said he's weaker, while a guy who needed the help of two other people, and a third guy even destabilizing the planet, that correct me if im wrong, Could still get them killed if they messed up the timing even Slightly. I'm glad DB is back, but that Calc wasn't it chief.
Worse: they were including every b.s. thing short of Heroes for Bardock. That would imply the idea of the Gold Oozaru, the version Vegeta had thought of the original Super Saiyan during the Namek saga, would be fair game, so even though he wouldn't get Super Saiyan 4 (which is frankly b.s., he'd just need to get used to Super Saiyan and he'd get it in no time, but since he isn't in GT their rules mean it wouldn't count) he would logically be able to activate Super Saiyan and Oozaru simultaneously, putting him at roughly 10 times the strength of first form Frieza, which should, in theory, be enough to annihilate anyone on Omniman's level.
yeah Bardock should have easily won that
Krillin "Not bad friend, but maybe you should start with yamcha?"
Yep .. and i bet we are talking about yamcha that kinda stopped working out completely xD
At best, Omni-man can beat the humans in the red ribbon army, excluding Tao. If they aren't human or a basic animal/dinosaur, Omni-man gets wrecked. Then, of the main cast, probably the only one that can fight that he MIGHT beat is chi-chi. And that's largely just due to the fact that she can't fly or manipulate ki in any way. He may be relative to cyborg Tao and have an advantage since Tao also can't fly
I’d say Omni man can hang with some early saiyans. Like Bardock, king Vegeta and even saiyan saga goku
@@Image_empire Omni Man cannot hang around any of them
@@crazedmodz4835 Yes he absolutely can. He casually scales above star levels like tech jacket, tech jacket has star level scaling in his own comics and the skybound website confirms he is canon to invincible
@Image_empire I would put him at continent level at max.
@@SirBaconMonkey Continental is absolutely crazy. Even the lowest of all viltrum calcs are moon level. And even those aren’t valid
If Nolan gets lucky, he will fight Krillin. Because Krillin is incapable of killing another person, maybe if he Kills his daughter. But then you have to add 18 to the mix.
A pissed off 18 is the last person you'd want to fight considering she was bored when she broke the arm of Earth's second most powerful fighter (sorry Vegeta).
It's fair to say she'd make you suffer to your last.
Even without scaling, krillin is one of the best martial artists EVER. If he used his solar flare then a destructo disc its OVER. Omni man has no chance and he never will.
Exactly. Didn't destructo disk cut off part of Frieza's tail? The writers do Krillin dirty. If he could master multi form technique and if each clone threw a solar flare/destructo disk combo he could defeat any mortal being.
@Poetryman6969 FINALLY, someone who actually knows how good of a fighter krillin is!
Except he has never once done that.
@@matthewgagnon9426 Doesn't mean he can't lol
@@matthewgagnon9426Because he doesn't need it for a scrub. Omniman would be dead before solar flare even wears off just from a few unblocked punches from Krillin
I have always said Dragon ball characters are god tier in all other series. Yamcha is Goku in any other series. Cecil wishes he could recruit from the DB earth.
almost every character in dbz can blow up a planet since the android saga. dbz characters are so powerful the story makes no sense if you think about it for too long.
Omniman: *Punches Krillin*
Krillin: "Sir, you are under arrest." *fist still lodged in face*
Omniman: *Punches Krillin harder*
Krillin: "I warned you." *face still barely budging with the other fist in it now*
18: "Hey..."
Yeah, this is a boring video. Not in a sense it sucks but in the sense of pretty obvious who’s gonna win Krillin. What I would’ve loved to see yajorobi!
@@KamiAnimeS1 The K man forgot to respond to this so. Ha
@ people need to stop down playing Krillian.
@@KamiAnimeS1They'll only stop downplaying krillin when the writers themselves stop downplaying him and all the other side characters. Haven't seen Super, but if everything before Super is anything to go by, everyone besides Goku gets their ass kicked and have more losses than wins on average, so it's fair for people to think they're weak even if they're wrong. They don't need to beat the main villain, just show them beating the main villain's lackeys or something, ANYTHING other than making them kiss dirt every fight.
@@Manglet762 super specifically makes krillin hilarious, since hes shown going toe to toe with a goku infinitely stronger than SSJ3 buu saga goku
While I completely agree with the conclusion, there is one thing I have to say as playing Devil's Advocate: "Power levels are bullsh*t."
I was so pissed when the Distructo Disk did nothing to Cell.
I’m pretty sure that’s just anime filler. Don’t worry too much
Power scaling fails. Omniman wins on experience and sheer brutality, while Krillin wins on technical skill and his techniques. Every power scaling discussion boils down to feat comparison. Krillin wins from Solar Flare into Destructo Disk. Blind Omniman to the follow up attack, cut him into ribbons.
Omni Man would struggle against Mr Satan.
IDK about that one the champ isn't all that strong honestly I mean after some basic ki training vindel becomes stronger than him
the champ is the strongest dbz character omni man would die to just mr satans gaze
To be fair, power scaling in Dragon Ball is often inconsistent, especially with transformations and plot-driven power boosts, prioritizing dramatic effect over logical progression. If we were to compare it to other superheroes, it would make more sense to analyze it saga by saga. For instance, in early Dragon Ball, a single Kamehameha from a bulky Master Roshi was powerful enough to destroy a moon.
DBZ power scaling is ridiculously wack though. Everyone stronger than Tien apparently can destroy a planet which is ridiculous. Half the time the Kamehameha is just like a water gun to enemies, even though it could theoretically destroy the planet. Krillin is also scared and rarely uses his abilities in any useful way.
Krillin definitely doesn't fight with maximum efficiency. Solar Flare plus Destructo Disk could easily be an OP combo.
That's not being wack that the people their fighting becoming stronger
I really like keeping flight speed in a vacuum and movement speed in planetary atmosphere differently. This actually solves a lot of confusion with certain things. In a vacuum you can keep gaining speed without the friction to slow you down or the need to use more energy to go faster. Does indeed fix a lot of inconsistencies with a lot of anime.
Doesn't matter. Goku was already faster than light before DBZ even started. Use any measurement you like but Krillin is way faster
Solar flare + destructo Disk and its done....You know Omniman would be over confident due to Krillin being a human.....and if he dodged he would get beat down anyways.
5:00, Having no resistance out in space *REALLY* makes a difference.
Sorry in advance for being the paragraph guy
But, according to my limited knowledge, bardock is at the power level of 10k, which is EXACTLY at planet busting level, and other saiyans, such as king vegeta, have been shown destroying multiple planets with flicks of their wrists, and saiyan saga vegeta is supposedly stronger than his father, at 18k, so let's say king vegeta is 15k, 15k to destroy 3 planets with a wave, and omni-man needed 2 other viltrumites to destroy an unstable planet, accounting for this, he's like 1/4th planet level, meaning bardock would rock his shit with 1 punch, as toriyama states that one only needs a 20% higher power level to easily defeat an opponent
Omni man’s plot armor ain’t helping him against the legendary Hercule Satan 😭
Omni man is not beating any SOLO planetary character because he is a fruad,let alone a multi planetary character(a PL of 9k+ is multi planetary without trying,King Vegeta blew up multiple hands without trying)
Of course he can. The viltrum bust is a far more impressive feat when you look into its true context and not taking it at face value
@@Image_empire in Omni man’s own words, he said he would die on contact if he hit the planet a little bit off, and you said that he was able to scale to star level make it make sense. The math ain’t nothing and also King Vegeta and Bardock are able to destroy planets with the wave of their hands Bardock a little bit more difficult but still since you’re similar to each other last time I checked, it took the planet of being destabilized three viltrmites and a lot of prep time to actually destroy the planet, so where is the math?
@@rozonmcdonald8750 I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size.
Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar)
Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar)
High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
@@Image_empireviltrum bust is not impressive 🤦🏽♂️it’s cute tho for three people. Bardock alone would destroy viltrum
@ I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size.
Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar)
Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar)
High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
Can we please put a squash to this One Punch Man debate??? Krillin or at the very least Tein would beat him.
Although I do agree that Krillin bodies Nolan any day of the week, there's two points you made in the vid that I feel are kindof disingenuous.
First off, no way in hell Krillin is universal level. Solar system, sure. Maybe. But the gap between solar and galaxy is large AF Let alone UNIVERSAL. And Krillin does NOT have the stamina to wipe out a galaxy. Let alone the universe. Put some respect to how freaking LARGE these two things actually are. He's strong, but he's not THAT strong. Him being able to contend with Goku in Super Sayan form doesn't mean he's as strong as a Super Sayan, it means he's skillful at the very least and passes the minimum bar to not get insta-gibbed. The rest is just skill and wit. Which is entirely to his credit, but you're elevating it all way too much. Saying Krillin is as strong as Super Sayan Goku because he can win against him in a fight is like saying a spike trap can get the same mileage as a car because it can stop it.
The second bit that got me, is the "light speed" feet. Again, it's already known that the Z fighters regularly fight at speeds that the eye can't follow, but that example of Goku "out-speeding a solar flare" does not co-relate with him going as fast as the light itself. Tien having to pose and take the time to yell his attack is all the tell and time Goku needed to act BEFORE the technique actually went off. In any game with a dodge roll, you don't dodge after the attack is launched, you dodge the moment you know what the attack is and where it's going to hit. After that, it doesn't matter how fast the attack is, if you aren't there to start with. A normal human being that dodges a bullet never dodges the bullet, but moves out of the trajectory BEFORE the shot is fired. He is not actually faster then the bullet. Death Battle ALWAYS gets this bit wrong.
Conclusion, though I agree with the result, the analysis is clearly biased. Low balling one and super high-balling the other.
Krillin pulling out a senzu bean when hes done destroying a solar system
haven't finished the video, but im assuming its Super Saiyan Blue goku VS Krillin. think of it like this, Super Saiyan 1 is 50x, SS2 is 100x, SS3 is like 300-500x, then Blue is tens or hundreds of thousands multiplied
Krillin?! MF PUT HIM AGAINST RADITZ FIRST, DAMN
Before watching video: When talking about the Avg and leaving out outliers like Vegeta and Omniman and other powerhouses the average sayan and Viltrimite are around equal. Both can’t blow up a planet but they can wipe out life on planets. When looking at those outliers though, yeah even in Sayan saga Vegeta scales way past Omniman/Mark at end of series.
Ozaru form thats all im gonna say
Even if Vegeta were that weak(Which he wasn't) how would that make them equals when Vegeta is lime a million times faster than Omniman?
What an awesome video bro, keep that up!
And yet Death Battle think Omniman is beating SSJ Bardock
DBZ power scaling is absurdly broken, a lot of people don't like to admit it, but Yamcha the character who became a meme and a joke, stomps most universes, and does heavy duty damage to others. I cant think of any where he just flat out stomped, I'm sure they exist, I just might not be familiar with em. There ya go, that's an idea for you for a good rage bait series, "Does yamcha stomp X universe?"
Death Battle, reputable?
Did I fall into an alternate reality where they aren't severely biased in most videos?
Get Omni-man past Chiaotzu first 😭🙏
the problem with dragon ball characters is that there is an official power scale built in; a power level of 140 is moon level destruction because of roshi, krillin at the start of z at 200 is pressing omniman so hard, not to meantion if you threw in krillin post saiyan saga or namek arc. omniman gets washed by the some of the background characters in the BD universe
Normal humans have around 10 power level, well trained guards have around 50 power level, the most strong humans (without KI) have around 100 power level and they cannot break a thick wall with their fists, how can plus 40 power level than the strongest people without KI can make someone jumps from "not able to break a wall or building" to "blow up the moon"? I have asked this several times, no one answered me yet.
@@DragonGMB "Normal humans have around 10 power level" Farmer with a shotgun: 5
And the other numbers: Good for you - making up shit.
@@ABaumstumpf nope, where it was told the shotgun has any power level? It was for the farmer himself, not "farmer with a shotgun", you're not telling me that the reader knows what a shotgun is, do you? About the rest, there is little information about other people's power level, most come from magazines and a few posts, nothing really official, so you have the right to question the veracity of the info, I just brought what I searched for. I found an official data about Bulma having a power level of 12, her father is above 10 as well, and they are not very strong compared to other normal humans characters.
But even with a max power level of 10, someone with 140 power levels is just 14 times stronger, not even barely enough to scratch the moon. If you do the math, even if humans had a power level of 5 this would not make sense. It's just math dude, nothing complicated to understand.
Can you explain to me how someone just 14 times stronger than a normal human can destroy a moon?
@@DragonGMB
"nope, where it was told the shotgun has any power level?"
Did i ever claim so? No.
But thanks again for showing that you are nothing but a liar.
"I just brought what I searched for"
Making shit up is not research.
"someone with 140 power levels is just 14 times stronger, not even barely enough to scratch the moon"
Well that shows clearly that your assertions are wrong: Cause that DID happen in DB. Not just once.
"Can you explain to me how someone just 14 times stronger than a normal human can destroy a moon?"
You are making the claims - YOU have to explain how any of your bullshit is supposed to work. Your strawmen don't cut it.
@@ABaumstumpf I found the official chart with the Power Level of a lot of characters, Bulma was mentioned to have 12 power level, I have tried to post the link here as proof, but RUclips thinks the link is spam so I cannot provide the link here.
Before calling someone liar make sure you're right or you'll end biting your own tongue. Just look for official power level charts and you'll eventually find the one with Bulma. It is shown in a wiki as well, I don't fully trust on wikis, but at least they have left the images as evidence and proof. The images can be found around the internet, they're very old so require a very deep search to find the original file, good luck with that.
In addition to that, I ask you to use math on the power level of the weakest humans and compare with Roshi power level when he destroyed the moon, do this and compare the difference, calculate the enough energy necessary to destroy a moon and then reach a result, do it for yourself, I'm tired of people just calling others liars before even trying to use official data like the farmer to do a simple math and find the results. I don't care what they have shown in the anime and manga, the numbers doesn't make sense, that's why math exists.
For your reference, to destroy the moon requires around 10^29 joules of energy, the strongest man in real life can punch with a strength of around 1000 joules, even if we consider humans from Dragon Ball much stronger than humans from real life, lets say, 10 times stronger, if you follow the values provided by the anime, do some calcs using joules as potency, you'll find out that Roshi was not even be able to barely scratch the moon. The numbers doesn't lie. Unless you're able to use math to prove I'm wrong, I don't think we can continue with this conversation.
More science and math went into this video than all of Dragonball haha
And I 100% agree. There's no scenario where Omniman would win, based on canonical feats in both series
There's so much wrong with this. How dare you glaze the viltrumites so much! Frieza Soldier #415 solos Omni-Man!
techniacally your actually correct
Yeah he doesn’t even have a name just soldier
I love how you sandbagged an elite comic hero, with a fucking comic relief of one of my favorite animes.
GFO death battle.
Your point about red rush was a good one. If Nolan could fight at light speed alone then red rush should have been a piece of cake. He clearly struggled to get him Early in the fight. Imo, speed was the only thing omni man had over DBZ.
5:21 "But first to understand how fast Krillin is we have to back to chapter 130 of Dragonball" LMFAO BRO WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO ORIGINAL DB, CLOWNING SO HARD ON OMNIMAN LMFAOOO
The speed thing is an interesting take. Becasue omniman has a ton of anti speed feats, even in the comics.
I mean the guardians of the globe defeated omniman in one timeline. Meaning his combat speed was comparable to theirs.😂 and darkwing has no super speed.
And while the databook claims travel speed = combat speed for allen, it also says on a planets atmosphere they dont go above mach 10. 😂
So his speed is all over the place. Not that it matters for this fight. Krillen would be faster regardless.
@@nuclearwaste2062 You do realize that darkwing didn’t participate in that fight righty? Even then that just upscales the guardians and in an atmosphere it may say that but not because they can’t go faster, they choose not to, to not destroy the planet. But even then it’s been disproven in canon when invincible and others dodge laser weapons and lighting stated to travel at 60,000 miles per second. And after all of that travel should equal reaction speed regardless
@@Image_empire doesn’t matter they’re alot slower than your average saiyan. gokus been ftl+ since he was a 12 yo consistently too.
@@unrecognizably Omni man went 3.4 billion times FTL and his reaction would scale to that. Nvm marks higher trillions of times FTL ends
@ slower than goku in saiyan saga 🤦♂️
@@unrecognizably Saiyan saga had the feat where he dodged asteroids on his trip to namek, I’ve seen calcs getting that to 1.4 trillion to 2.3 trillion times FTL. Omni man does have metas that get higher than that
You should have stopped at at Namek saga Krillin
most people dont actually dig to prove there point and you do thank you for saying nothing but facts and even having the numbers to prove it
Mr satan / hercules fucking demolish omni man by a milestone
If these guys are destroying planets, i feel like their basic strikes would at least be annihilating massive swaths of land, just from the shockwave made by swinging a punch alone.
People need to realize death battle hates all things dragon ball. They get everything wrong on purpose cus the angry fan base brings a lot of interaction and they make money off the videos.
Some settings just have lower scales. Invincible is one of those.
The only way to make sense of the ludicrous space travel in that series is to assume that topnend flyers like Allen and Viltrumites can "push" off of nothing, allowing them near infinite straight line acceleration for distance travel. That, or the universe is just much smaller. I dont remember what the comics said, but I remember season two Nolan telling Mark that the trip back to Earth from Thraxa was "millions of miles". That wouldnt even get you to the sun in our own universe.
chi chi would solo
Dragon ball wombs are planet level not gonna lie
@@rafaelpereira7815 To date, they've pumped out three planet busting half-Saiyans, one hell of an Earthling, a relatively-badass-in-her-own-right-but-unfortunately-she's-from-GT quarter-Saiyan, and the jury's still out on Krillin and 18's kid.
So to really understand the context of the Viltrum feat it gets looked at as just a standard planet which it isn’t
Thaedus who said that if He, Nolan, Mark, Tech Jacket, and Allen didn’t hit the planet at the exact same time as the laser they would most likely die
Except one major issue with his statement is that literally every thing that could have gone wrong in that final assault went wrong
Allen and Tech Jacket were intercepted during the final assault leaving it to the 3 Viltrumites who thought they were on a suicide mission
And low and behold when we do get the full scope of the destruction we discover that the Infinity Ray has already passed through the planet just as the Viltrumites crash into its surface meaning the core of Viltrum was already restabilized which Thaedus feared would happen
This means that Nolan, Mark and Thaedus were solely responsible for the planet’s destruction
The destruction of a planet that is capable of surviving Star level attacks
Meaning that Nolan is far and above planet level
Chaostzu solos~🗿
Ginyu in his frog form is more than enough
Death Battle really dropped the ball hard.
Honestly i think a lot of dragon ball tourists forget that by super, almost everyone that can use their ki is planetary level. Except Frieza, basically everyone's ki attacks are hitting either another beam, a person, or going into space. Just because they aren't nuking planets every arc doesn't mean they arent planet level
krillin in the end of super is probably multi solar system level so he no-diffs the entire invincible universe
Durability probably also bears mentioning; everything you've said is on point, but durability I've noticed in DBZ is an issue. Goku in as far along in the story as Dragon ball super nearly dies to being shot by a normal gun, and back in the saiyan saga Vegeta gets cut with a sword (with Krillin intending on finishing the job, meaning it's possible to cut him). Krillin's destructo disc would absolutely slice Omni-man in half, but Omni-man likewise could slice Krilling apart too but with his bare hands.
Just how powerful is a punch from Krillin vs a punch from Omni-man, and can Krillin survive a punch intended to kill from Omni-man.
The important part of those scenes is Goku letting his guard down, which is shown constantly to affect durability, and Vegeta already being on death’s door and unable to use his ki to reinforce himself.
Krillin would be perfectly fine, might even be a nice massage for him.
Well it is pretty obvious that krillin stomps from the start, I woud have preferred to see closer match ups than this though
One thing you need to remember is Krillin's mentality. He has a very low level of self esteem. He constantly has to be reminded that he is as a good fighter. In the Dragonball Resurrection F movie, he started to worry about the henchmen taking him out, until someone reminded him to calm down as he personally faced Frieza and survived. Once he got his emotions in order he functioned fine. Omni Man has no fears and would not hold back. But if Krillin thinks he can win he will do fine. He can keep the fight at a distance, were as Omni Man must get into close quarters. Also, Krillin might have a resilient body from training, but I think a hit from Omni would be fatal depending were he is hit.
Dragon ball show: fist fights and small explosions
Dragon ball fans "oh but this person is relative to this person who is relative to this person who (etc etc)...is relative to this person who blew up the moon which makes him smal universal"
Yes - that is how measurements work: You compare whatever you want to measure with a known quantity.
great analysis. Krillin is much stronger than he's given credit for.
Those power scalers think they're so smart when they say an hydrogen bomb would win against an ebola infected baby. Instead of being lazy, try to discuss a somewhat close match up for once and put Omniman against Raditz without using anime filler material.
Omni man would probably wipe raditz ngl
@image_empire No he would not, as in the start of Dragon Ball Z, we are introduced to power levels. Piccolo Jr. (at the start of Z) is around 300 on the scale and easily blows up the moon without much effort training Gohan after Raditz, before he really trained himself/got stronger. Now, Raditz is at the powers level of 1200ish if I remember right, also around that of ONE Saibman, meaning he can easily do 4 times the amount of energy it takes to blow up the moon easily with just one ki laser.
@@liammcgill5270 Characters like tech jacket who in his own comics had star level scaling, states he can’t hang with Omni man or mark. But for some more grounded stuff, the viltrum bust is far more impressive than you think.
I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size.
Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar)
Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar)
High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
I actually agree. Powerscaling should be about close fights. Not stomps that waste everyones time.
@@liammcgill5270The thing is the moon feat is irrelevant since early z was gag .King piccolo who way stronger than Roshi care barely wipe out a city .
Vegteta in the Saiyan Saga is Katana Tier. That same Katana that maimed and would have killed Vegeta would have broke on Omni-Man. Power levels and Master Roshi blowing up the moon were an absolute catastrophe for not just Dragon Ball, but power scaling as a concept and all of fiction.
In general the DB universe tends to be semi-consistant on suprise attacks only being countered by a truly overwhelming power differential.
Also, one can generally expect weapons to be able to carry one's ki, making Trunks' sword a usable weapon as an example.
Arguably, what you're talking about is mostly a quirk of Ki as a system, and Yajirobe, while not *that* strong, happens to only be a few dozens times weaker than Vegeta at worst, and thus more then able to cut his tail.
The true answer is Toriyama doing whatever he wants, but that doesn't mean DB isn't at least roughly consistant with itself.
You're misunderstanding how Ki VS. Viltrumite physiology works. Think of it like this, Vegeta isn't super durable on his own, but he reinforces himself with Ki, which makes him infinitely more durable than a Viltrumite. However, if he's distracted or caught off-guard, he isn't defending himself and is weaker. Viltrumites have far more natural durability, but they're far weaker than a Ki-reinforced Vegeta, even pre Saiyan Saga
Krillin? Pff, let him get past Raditz first.
And no, that isn't a joke.
Power level 130 roshi blew up the moon so I'd say 1500 raditz DEMOLISHES omni man
I do think the viltrumite biology plays a bigger role in making omniman not necessarily stand a chance but be a little harder than a speedbump to roll
cause viltrumite bodies are ridiculously tough right like theyre resistant to most forms of damage to some level or other while the z fighters arent really naturally resistant but have like ki defenses right
so I reckon omni man is built different enough that Id give him upto a minute instead of a few seconds
Why even Krillin. Current Yamcha squad wipes the viltrumites
Yamchs did better against two fighters who pikon struggled with the same pikon who one shott cell so buu ssga yamcha solos the cell ark
The vacuum of space doesn't really have much in the way of friction, so provided you keep adding energy you can accelerate far faster than you'd be able to on a planet with atmosphere and thus air resistance. That's why space ships use Ion thrusters because even though they lack the same power as conventional engine they last far longer without refueling or even indefinitely not an expert of aerospace engineering.
Something I have often said when bringing up dragonball characters. By the nature of the story they are in they scale to galaxy if not universal levels of power. Most other franchises deal with planetary at best. This does not mean that other characters are not strong or interesting, but it does mean if we are being objective the majority of characters outside of dragonball would never be able to fight a dragonball character they just are not in the same weight class and that is fine. It is hard for the human mind to even comprehend the level of power needed to remove a city let alone a planet this is why most stories dont go beyond that scale it just is to hard to picture as it is far beyond the experience of anyone.
Omniman being Yamcha'd by Yamcha
There are few characters in fiction who would even stand a chance against Yamcha, let alone Krillin or Saiyans.
To be fair Death Battle also thinks Superman can beat Goku. People forget as fast as superman is, even Krillin is faster at combat speeds then Supes is.
Lol, you can practically hear the thumbnail 😅
Krillin: "Hey, Nolan?"
*PUNCH*
Krillin: "Get off my planet, would ya?"
I completely forgot that Piccollo casually vaporized the moon way back when, lmao
Bro Chiaotzu legit solos the verse lmao idk why people glaze invincible
"The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win!" - Stan Lee.
@Hell-Diver103 bot take
Technically, the "strength" stat is probably their worst physical one. Their striking power power vastly outstrips their ability to move or lift large objects.
However, Goku's "faster than light" feat in dragonball vs Tien is nonsense. It's literally just the author ignoring physics, and shouldn't be taken seriously. You'd have a better argument that light travels inexplicably slowly sometimes.
if you really wanna piss them off, do it with yamcha xD
I think a fairly direspectful but honest test of strenght for most settings is "can they kill a Saibaman through sheer power?".
And in this case, I feel the answer is a fairly solid "no", so anything beyond a Saibaman is an easy win for DBZ.
Traveling faster than light is a problem.
No only for the traveler, but everyone in the local group.
Its called suspention of reality kids.
In Omni man your flight speed combat speed travel speed reaction speed perception speed and all other speeds lead into each other
outrunning a light based attack doesn't mean going faster than light, it just means going faster than the person AIMING the light.
Baby Broly solos that universe handily. Tanked a planet destroying attack with his dad in tow and flew through space only a week or so old.
The remade Broly is canonically the same person, with a different upbringing. Scary dude!
Another thing to remember is that Vegeta's power level was 18,000 on Earth BEFORE he learned that it was possible to increase your power level without a transformation. If Goku's kamehameha vs Radditz took him from ~400 to over 900, then Krillin should be able to at least achieve a doubling of his power with a similar charge, making him more on par with Goku at the end of the Saiyan saga when he beat Vegeta in the beam struggle.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Krillin is just more skilled than most. His ki manipulation is next level. Scattershot and kienzan are both higher level techniques. He's used to fighting at a power deficit. Long story short, the only way to beat Krillin is to overpower him by at least about 50%.
Saiyan saga Vegeta is planet level, Vegeta later gets bodied by Recoom even though he had multiple zenkai boosts, Yamcha later beats Recoom on King Kai's planet, Yamcha could probably solo the invincible verse
Probably? I'd say definitely. Omni-Man can't even destroy a planet without specific conditions and other people.
Thank you, I haven't heard anybody say anything about space racers blast when talking about this, it's ridiculous
Let's make a correction: Dodging solar Flare don't even need FTL. Just need to close your eyes and/or move in response to the arm motions necessary for the technique. Not the flash itself. That is still supersonic (maybe less as people aren't getting blown away?) tier.
I would also add in skill, Krillin has been training to fight since he could first throw a punch.
Normally, I don’t comment, but I’m getting tired of seeing these videos about who would win against two fictional characters. The winner of any of these is whoever the author decides is going to win. If the writer wants character A to win, then no matter what their stats are they’re gonna win. Same if they want character B to win. I know it’s a thought exercise but it really doesn’t matter who the creator of the video says, it really doesn’t make a difference because the author of whatever media the two characters are meeting in is going to decide who wins.
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@sbthesage2100 because you don't like my opinion, you're calling me a bot? Is it because I pay attention to grammar? Or is it because I like to make my thoughts clear? I'm genuinely asking. I'm autistic so sometimes I put too much effort into communication because otherwise my thoughts get all jumbled up. If it's just because you don't like my opinion and want to reduce me to an inanimate object, then so be it, but if it's something else I would like to know.
@ 1st one
@@Sage-2002 well, at least you’re being honest. I can respect that. Have a nice day.
@ u too my guy 🤞🏽