Spadroon vs. Bayonet | Sparring [HEMA]
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2023
- We grabbed some footage of spadroon vs bayonet at the end of a sparring session. The techniques are mainly from Roworth & Mathewson. If you'd like to see them in more detail, feel fre to watch the video below:
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Nice. Looked like it was mechanically easier to to parry the rifle to the inside, seize, and close for the kill. It looks much harder to hold the parry to the outside against the pressure of the rifle.
Not sure if it is in the manuals, but a passing step changing to a left foot and side forward position when making that parry will provide for structural strength but you need to be ready to grapple if you enter that way (with a forward step). Same concept with a retreating passing step, pulling the right side back would probably allow the seizure of the rifle while staying out of grappling range.
Glad to see you posting again.
Yep, I also feel it is easier and safer to parry inside and seize from there. Distance management is critical, which is why I feel Roworth's technique using outside half hanger against the bayonet can be more dangerous, since you might have to parry the bayonet *across* the line *while* it's coming at you. I did attempt that at 0:30 and it wasn't successful, although it can work well.
Thanks for commenting!
The bayonet mounted on a long gun is a much misunderstood and overlooked weapon system - it's perhaps a little too heavy for a lightweight sword to parry effectively and the reach can be quite an eye opener.
I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of one even if I had a spadroon.
One thing I noticed by trying something similar: low attacks by the bayonet are the hardest to intercept. Furthermore, while you hold your musket pointed downwards, it's easier to use the barrel to parry sword cuts. Let me even add that the swordsman must reach lower down for a grapple, which unsettles his balance. A failed grapple gives the musketeer a chance to disengage and simply point the bayonet up towards the opposer.
Been catching up on your vids, good stuff. Question, how heavy is that bayonet trainer? It looks light which is a massive advantage. I liked when you started making more traversal steps in the latter half of the session, so key to defeating this long pokey boy.
The beyonet trainer weighs about 2 kg, whichs less than half of an original Brown bess. It's still the best one we've got for HEMA overall in my view considering safety vs realism.
Really enjoyed that. Always knew the reach advantage of a bayonet was important but still a bit shocked to see the sword held back so easily.
Yeah, I like sword vs bayonet sparring a lot! I'd add a small caveat in that Max (green) is an experienced fencer who spars a lot with different weapons and I'm a bit rusty atm. Historcially, it was likely the case that the officer with the sword was a better fencer thannthe infantryman with the musket *and* the musket trainer used here is only half the weight of an original.
Still, the point remains that polearms are definitely dangerous!
@@historyandsabre Excellent points. A bit earlier than your typical period but have you tried a targe, buckler or parry dagger like the prize fighters?
@@jeremy4655 I haven't properly trained with a targe but we use bucklers for our battle scenarios, which is good fun. We do train with parrying pistols (using nylon pistol trainers or wooden rondel daggers) from Pringle Green.
Yay, the orange jacket is back!
No love for the green jacket? :(
@@Vatoeter no disrespect to the Green jacket meant ;). It's a running gag. The jacket is red but so far in all videos it shows it being orange due to Peter's post production ;).
Go green!
@@2eme_voltigeur652 ah okay. I didnt get that as i have a slight colorblindness so the red and orange is more or less the same to me^^
Good to see you.
And you!
In this case the sword holder should not fight in line with the bayonet as the advantages favor the bayonet, rather he should be going around in circles to confuse the bayonet holder and make the his movement heavier.
Sure, passing steps are advised for some of these techniques against the bayonet and I do that frequently.
Bear in mind that we always have to think about filming aswell, so you won't see us circling a lot when we make videos!
Also, what we are doing here is trying to make a set of 3-4 specific techniques work from the same starting point over and over again. You can see those here: ruclips.net/video/FymOSMjTlCc/видео.html
We do make use of a lot more of the space during our battle scenarios that you can find on the channel! Thanks for commenting!
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Definitely I appreciate all the efforts done. Thanks for clarifying things. Kind regards 😇🙏
@@blackwhite5078 No worries at all, thanks for watching! :)
Cool
Thanks!