Worlds largest Hyperloop Company GOES BANKRUPT!
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Thunderf00t has been out here for over a decade fighting for truth and reason in a sea of idiots. Well done buddy.
His channel proves the unfortunate statement that it is unreasonably easier to spread stupid nonsense than to stop it
Unfortunately it didn't teach those morons a thing. The next "hyperloop" will be announced and they will charge into it blindly. No matter what people like Thunderf00t are going to say about it. This is an inherently lost battle against the stupidity.
No. He has been wasting our time with Elon videos when he could have been debunking those fake Covid vaccines
@@SkyyySione of the reasons Trump came to power I think 🤔
@@nicodesmidt4034hey hey, don't poke the bear 😂
Perhaps hyperloop can pivot to a smaller scale. If they reduce the diameter to 4 inches and reduce the pressure differential just a few psi, they can use the hyperloop to send documents from one floor of a building to another in just a few seconds.
I see what you did there.
Or they can send an email
@@durshurrikun150 I mean, the vacuum tubes they're referring to are actually usually used at banks and stuff to send ID cards, checks, and money back and forth and such to further away terminals and the like.
@@durshurrikun150woosh
I smell a similar pivoting idea for the space elevator!
Hyperloop was a huge success.
When you consider that the real point of Hyperloop wasn't to produce a working form of transportation but rather to waste time and resources that could have been used on viable public transit projects, it was extremely successful.
Plus that lovely tax write-off
glad I checked if someone said it first. the real reason America is so far behind technologically: billionaires run rampant.
people still haven’t figured out that Elon Musk is just a crime boss capo (the mob hired him as a front man) who launders fentanyl money through his companies
"In Grift We Trust"...
Well a successful way of billionaire robbing tax payer money
You know how we know Musk didn't come up with the name OpenAI? Because the name isn't X, AIX, or XAI.
Maybe I should copyright XLNt before he comes up with his next scam.
It always blows me away that this dude could just say “hey, this’ll be easy” and hundreds of millions get thrown at a project.
"It's like an air hockey table!"
- the guy who's never invented anything
What was it about a hockey table? EMu is an idiot so what are the people that worship him?
@@KirkHermarySomeone has to tell Musk that Air Hockey tables don't work in a vacuum
Musk has one great ability and that is to sell bullshit to people who have no idea what he is talking about.
He is not a great engineer but the most gifted snakeoil salesman in the world.
This is just one example of crazy things happening in this world. Look at Energiewende in Germany- 520plus GigaEuro spent and emissions in Germany are about 10times greater than in France(450 vs about 50g CO2/kWH). All because of radiophobia and promises that modern nation can be powered by wind and solar(in reality rusian gas).
Clueless Billionaire : I want to build a magic train!
Engineer : That's incredibly stupid, I'm a professional.
Clueless Billionaire : Your salary will be $700,000/year.
Engineer : I know some powerful wizards who'd be perfect for this project!
Nahh,
1 & 2 is probably what happen but the 3 is wrong.. it should be
clueless billionaire: i will promote the shit out of this magic train the government would want to pay you crazy amount of taxpayer money to pretend to try to do it.
engineer: you son of a bitch im in
🤣
exactly.
It's funny because that's exactly how it works.
if only they hired a Geographamancer like me....
This college educated engineer has been with you the whole time.
This video was phenomenally cathartic.
I could barely make it through the buzzword salad from that near endless procession of politicians.
This uni engineering student is also here
I had no idea such ridiculously stupid claims were made, like:
- Will generate more power than it takes to run.
- Is emission-free because it's a vacuum.
At this point, like 80% of this channel is just "I told you so" content and i am HERE for it lmao. Hope somebody finds those genius reddit commenters and sends them this video link
We are on a mission
It's not a Virgin Hyperloop anymore.
Yeah as a Gen-Xr getting laugh at the Millennials who go suckered into this nonsense is the best *LMAO* moment I have had in a while and a great way to start 2024.
The only thing better would be a MythBusters style approach, this won't work as designed but it could work if you expand the parameters or give up a criterion or two. Like, no vacuum and the rest might work, you can make a lead balloon, etc.
@@tonywilson4713I mean, Musk is a Gen-Xer. You can’t just blame this on millennials. Plenty of millennials have always known Musk is a fraud, and plenty of gen-xers fell for and still believe in Musks bullshit. Who do you think is bankrolling Musk? It isn’t us broke millennials.
"The hyperloop can generate more power than it consumes." That's a stop sign.
💯 they might as well said it burns water for power or used cold fusion. Total BS
Anytime Elon Musk says "now", or "today" you can substitute it with "never" and be quite accurate.
This is rapidly becoming the music man main claim. "It's got solar panels, so it generates more power than it consumes!"
No such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
@@dragonmaster1500 In this house we respect the laws of thermodynamics!
Heinlein had such a loop in his book "The cat who walks through walls" almost 40 years ago. The big difference is: it's on the Moon, so the vacuum comes almost for free, the pressure on the tube is minimal. Ironically, in the book, the people running it claim it's not making enough money.
Which makes perfect sense - temperature differentials are far higher on the moon. Thermal expansion strikes again!
Since Heinlein's train is underground, thermal expansion of the moon's surface wouldn't matter much. How many meters does it take for things to even out? @@Mavendow
@@AlexDiesTrying I didn't say "surface" because I never read the book. Therefore, I considered whether it was above or below ground before making my comment. Read it carefully and it'll become clear I was extremely general when making my statement.
It's likely well below zero, unless we're 250km deep. This means the effects of thermal expansion (vehicle movement, equipment, heck even body heat) are _greatly_ amplified.
You give this far too much importance.@@Mavendow
@@AlexDiesTrying Considering it was still an issue for a company who could build in the relatively temperate Earth underground of 10-20c...
It seems more like someone got caught trying to pigeonhole a broad statement and decided they'd make that their hill to croak on. Oops.
My favorite bit was “..techno-Ponzi-Rocket-Jesus”
never use God to make a comical mocking point, it's like taking God's name in vain, only mention God in the highest reverence.
@@michaeltischuk7972Isn't it insulting to God to imply His ego is too weak to let slide a bit of light banter?
@@ValeBridges He is superior in every way, You and me, well we’re not or ever will be….would you ever joke about your parents to there face.? No, I wouldn’t have dared either and if I ever did, I would have been wrong, and He is perfect, they were not.
@@michaeltischuk7972 If He's superior to me in every way (and frankly that's not a high bar) then He'll have a superior sense of humour, a superior good nature, and a superior tolerance of teasing. If I can take jokes at my expense, God most certainly can.
Also, yes, _of course_ I joke about my family, and my family joke about me. It's a natural way people express closeness.
@@ValeBridges you project into Him your qualities, everyone, most everyone does this, which still does not make it right. He gave all of Himself for us, His body, His life in the greatest suffering and humiliation for our well being, this requires our response, not self serving humor that belittles our most humble and selfless, loving God, it should never be about us and our feelings, only complete and full adoration of Him, using His name as a self serving joke or mockery of anything misses our obligations and recognition of His leadership in our short lives completely
a car billionaire selling a century-old impractical hopium idea to politicians so they can postpone planned/ongoing rail projects so he can sell more cars.
The future is just a bunch of trains and large boats.
The future is progressively larger and larger scams until no one believes what he says anymore. Remember, the only way ponzi schemes work is that everyone involved except the guy at the top and their closest buddies has wool over their eyes and believe blindly.
Rail aint the future
@@h2s142 and what is?
*flying boats, gotta bring those back @@NiteshadeX2
The worst thing of all is that Elon barely lost any money in this. He just "sponsored" the idea, and left all the companies fighting over how to create the tech and bankrupting themselves, after siphoning hundred of millions in tax-money.
Yes, Musk stepped out of the way and left it to his wannabe friend Branson to pick up the tab.
You could say that he made quite a bit of money, since the way he pitched the hyperloop to the state of California got them to divert funds from public transportation, resulting in him selling more Teslas. They say never attribute to malice that which can be more easily attributed to incompetence, but we actually know the guy's not stupid.
@@KamiNoBaka1 He is stupid
Too bad we can't end the HALF-TRILLION DOLLAR scam that is fusion energy. IT WILL NEVER WORK. I'm more convinced of this than ever. There's not a SINGLE design that can reach even a real break-even point of energy input-to-output, to say nothing of actually GENERATING USEFUL POWER. And yet Western governments keep dumping money into an abject failure, when FISSION power is already here, and we have enough uranium and thorium to give the WORLD electrical power for 2,000 years with the modern plant designs.
It wouldn't be difficult to successfully argue that a lot of the stuff going on in the world is really just a bet between hyper-rich people about how gullible the rest of humanity really is. One says, "No they simply aren't dumb enough to swallow this", the others say "Oh yes they are". Brexit and hyperloop are merely two examples amongst many.
"Hyperloop will be cheaper to ride than a bus"
also "Any money put into Hyperloop will be recouped in 8-15 years from ticket sales"
Combined with a cost of 500 million USD just for a test center. That is quite funny.
He may as well have added that it makes you irresistible to women as well.
I love that Buddy from Hyperloop one says "this isn't a pipe dream" unironically.
Even in a fantasyworld where the hyperloop exists and Elon Musk is IronMan, there's no way the cost for a ticket would be that of a bus ticket
Well, everything is more expensive in California now, so it's not impossible, LOL.
That's where I think Musk is proving his idiocy. He overstates EVERYTHING. If he was just slightly modest about anything, he'd be sort of respectable.
For instance the thermonuclear-proof windows on the hideous cybertruck. Not bomb-proof, not nuclear bomb-proof, no it has to be thermonuclear bomb-proof.
And in reality it's not even baseball-proof.
hyperloop wa supposed to be hypersonic (hence the name) and also super cheap.
In reality it isn't even as fast as any regular train, and is basically a tunnel of Teslas.
Yeah, not even with massive government subsidies that make otherwise commercially busted industries like air travel viable can help those prices.
@nikolajwinther5955 If the "hyper" in hyperloop really stands for "hypersonic", then I'm truly hyper-disappointed in what we consider the world's brightest minds, because hypersonic is speed exceeding that of 5 times the speed of sound, or mach 5, that's just beyond ridiculous... The theoretical maximum speed they've been pissing in our ears all those years was only ~600mp/h, which isn't even reaching mach 1
Yes, but this is the same genius who claimed that he could sell a car with a ROI of like 12 months, as a robotaxi, which is either incredibly stupid or incredibly scammy, I choose to believe both. If you could make cars costing 40K and make 25K profit a year for 10 years off of them, you're not going to sell them new at 55K.
I do not for a second believe Musk believes in these numbers, but I also believe that Musk believes the true numbers aren't entirely implausibly far off either, so I believe he is both a con artist and an idiot at the same time. Thankfully I have never brought into anything that Musk has sold or promoted, personally.
- What is the conclusion of you 8 billion dollar research?
- Earth is too bumpy.
Gravity exists...accelerating them might work but it's the sudden stop that turns you to paste against a wall
They laughed...
And then you won.
@@MauriceShaun Declaring this a new copypasta
Casey saying 'You don't know any of the "first day on the job" details', then saying it was his first job out of academia makes so much sense it's painful. Let's hope everyone involved has picked up a little humility in the process.
"humility"???? The Hypeloop was a scam from day one, every "engineer" who was associated with this scam knew that is was a scam and that it would never amount to anything. Other than them getting rich off of government subsidies.
I believe he has also been involved in self-driving cars and carbon capture. There’s a lot wrong with our tech culture that pulls talented young people into working on scams.
@@ailblentynor you know, he's not talented and got the job because of luck, connections, saying what the higher ups wants to hear (also known as ass licking), and blatant lies? Because I haven't seen any interview or post that person made that explained in a scientific or engineering terms how they are going to make any of those projects work, the only things I heard and read are broad terms and outright science fiction and magic fantasy bulshit to cover up and distract from their inability to explain the real life science of how are they are going to make it work. Ask any real engineers and they will tell you that with our current and near future science and technology, this is bullshit.
Doubt it, you learn humility from backlash and criticism, Elon simps can't do those things
@@ailblentyn Either they get pulled in on scams, or they can spot an easy way to bullshit their way to a comfortable salary from braindead investors for a decade before they have to move on to something else
Absolute madness. As an engineer (44 years) it’s nothing new. I have worked with super smart people and many lack critical thinking or real world experience. The hype in Hyperloop is strong.
From what I've seen in Thundfoot's vids, his test rigs for various physics and chemistry concepts show more engineering prowess than these goofy critics of his could ever hope to have. A PowerPoint is as good as having actually built it? Whatever!
People believe in pseudo-science-fiction more than thinking for themself.
My brother and I, being certifiable geeks, found some maglev proposal in a popular science/scifi mag some 50+ years ago, when we were teens - but we considered a ridiculously expensive tunneling & vacuum option unworkable - because we live in an earthquake-prone region, and as kids tunnelling was out of the question.
We then conceptualised several solutions, including an elevated track that was itself levitated within electromagnetic circuits, and we played around building a hula-hoop sized version before discovering how unstable it was and how power-hungry it would be. The most we got out of our concepts and experimentation was my brother's creation of an electromagnetic door lock for his wardrobe ... that only served to annoy our nosy dad.
Every time I saw hyperloop hype I was reminded of our impractical teenage concepts - except they were coming from people that should've given up such delusions by the time they were adults. It's great to dream, but we also need to spend some time awake to reality. It only took we teen dreamers a couple of weeks to figure out the impracticalities - these adults were in so deep it took them years, and I'm sure that if they still had a more massive cash supply they'd continue to burn through it - with as much the same result, just wasting many more years and possibly never waking up.
I used to work in a university library and dealt with many _incredibly_ intelligent people, from whizz kid undergrads to top of their field professors. We used to wonder how some of them (especially the profs) got dressed in the morning.
These were people who'd forgotten more than most of us will ever learn. So seeing scientists and engineers completely cock things up does not surprise me in the slightest.
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Thunderf00t: The laws of physics says this isn't possible
Muskrats: But Elon says it works, he clearly knows more than you
I know it kills me that people think he's rich because he's some kind of genius it's definitely not because of his family's blood emerald mine
If Electric Cheesus says it works, then open those purses and give him all your money.
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It isn't impossible. Not at all.
Its just monstrously energy inefficient and so prone to disastrous failure that trying to contract one would constitute manslaughter.
Trying to vacuum an entire tube is definitely possible; however, for the same energy costs to pull it vacuum you can probably instead driven the train through the sound barrier on a conventional maglev.
Marge: "Homer, that's your solution to everything: to move under the sea! It's not going to happen!"
Homer: "Not with that attitude."
i can't believe it's been 8 years already...it took them this long to finally pull the plug
No they "pulled the plug" when they sold the idea to West Virginia in 2020...they used the WV University and state government coffers to cover it's dying days.
I hope everyone who defended Elon has a very nice reality check.
Most of them are beyond the point where reality can still affect their beliefs
Why people hype and then cling to him is beyond me.
It's much more likely they'll just turn a blind eye and start supporting whatever knew vapour-ware he "invents".
They wont, it's a cult.
unlikely. it is a cult
My favorite was “It’s not that hard; it’s an air hockey table inside a vacuum tube.” And nobody bothered to ask if the Vacuum Tube Team ever spoke with the Air Hockey Team 😮
I can't believe that happened, but it happened, didn't it? I'm still in disbelief all these years later, that people were contemplating "air hockey" in a vacuum, re: "Air Sled".
I need facial reconstruction after many years of facepalm over this.
I first heard about Hyperloop *after* Musk dropped the 'air cushion in a vacuum tube' part and still thought it was stupid because ignoring even the vacuum and solar panel parts, it's still a bullet train in a metal tube. That can't *possibly* be cheaper than just a regular bullet trait.
I love how the concept artists even copied the fan design on the front/rear of the carriage from the 70s concept art as well despite the whole thing supposedly operating in a vacuum. Or am I missing some part of the idea here?
That sounds rather intellectually deficient, yes....
Wasn't it supposed to be a magnetically levitated carriage in a vacuum, though? I don't see an issue with that in the abstract. A million engineering and economical challenges, though.
@@HoboInASuit4Tune If memory serves me well, I think you'll find DeSouled Husk began with "luge à air" à la Air Hockey.
Years later, it listened to a voice outside it's enormous head for two seconds and blobbed towards MagLev. Later it was wheels and rails because...reality.
Then reality began sinking in, to fill a rather vacuous void. A type of Black Hole, but busted!!
I probably missed something, it has been going a while now.
No shortage of credulity out there. People, in general, are idiots.
Common Sense is not so common any more...
My favorite part of all this is how Elon admitted he only "invented" Hyperloop to prevent California's high speed rail.
Or maybe he only decided that was less embarrassing than the alternative.
I'm against a state wide methhead/crackhead/hobo/migrant transport system also
Its bs. its a nother musk lie. now he wants to tell people he wasnt so dumb to belive in hyperloop. It was a big ginious plan to stop competition.
we know that isnt true.
I think the extreme delays and billions of dollars of cost overruns will do that by itself.
@@eve-llblyat2576 I wouldn't be so sure, he seems kinda vaporware salesman pushing stuff he knows wont make money or anything useful to anyone but him. Inflating his stock value is about all he's after.
The hyperloop tube being cut open to make place for a standard railway track is just too good!
Textbook irony.. or karma.. either works.
I wonder if the engineers knew all along that it wasn't going to work, but a job's a job, and as long as someone's paying, they can pretend to try and work on it.
Entirely possible, executive types generally don't appreciate being told things won't work so often you're better to just keep your head down, collect the paycheck and prepare for the inevitable failure.
I have heard exactly that from engineer friends. They know a project is doomed almost from the start, but a paycheck is a paycheck so they stay aboard until it sinks and they give it their 100% effort, they model stuff, build prototypes, so at the end the sinking is very well documented: "we _really_ tried and it didn't work".
@@punkiller666 And it still looks good on their C.V.
The first time I heard of the Hyperloop I knew it would never happen. Banks have been using such a system for more than fifty years, so if it was possible to transport larger cargo than a deposit slip and a bit of cash, someone would have done it many years ago.
Trying to keep a vacuum within miles of tubes is just too problematic to be practical, not to mention the dangers it would present. It’s like creating space within miles and miles of tubes. Any failure would affect the entire system, not just a local system. If it fails, it fails royally. I know that I’d never get in it if they could ever create it, but there is no way they will create it. The costs would be hundreds of times more than they claim.
Royal Mail had a vacuum-based system to transport post under London, but they only ran it for a few years before switching to a narrow gauge rail system.
I’m a teacher with a science background living in northern British Columbia. For five years, I took a 45 minute bus with other teachers to my workplace. About half of those days, we talked about the “genius” of Elon musk. I argued the guy was a borderline idiot, a con man or both. I cited your arguments often (and others) saying how hyperloop faced challenges from the laws of physics and engineering challenges ( my idea is that it might work if we could make tubes from a single extruded graphene um…extruder). Richly, I was accused of “confirmation bias”, and the counter was Elons track record of technological genius and innovation. I will be texting this link to my former colleagues. Thanks for this!
Meanwhile, the bus still works fine.
Lol, his VTOL plane that he wants to be electric should have shown you guys he was full of it.
Lol, the speeds they kept saying should have been a red flag. They could not make 100 mph let alone 700.
Teachers who cannot think past the charlatan Musk’s statements need to lose their teaching licenses.
Teachers who cannot think past the charlatan Musk’s statements need to lose their teaching licenses.
At least the lies are not as great as the big "H" which is still taught in schools
He didn't start Tesla either. As an engineering student, I worked with the team on the planning stage and beginning of the builds when we decided on the Lotus frame, but didn't join the company when it was formed. Later, some African American guy from PayPal named Musk joined and it got crazy.
Bought his way in, took it over, and threw money around and hired legal teams to get himself retroactively written in as a "Founder".
It's very telling when the projects he has a larger influence in like the Cybertruck end up being flops and full of terrible choices.
Except the African American guy didn't come from PayPal because he got fired before PayPal was even a thing
I have zero doubts that Tesla would be a much healthier company if it still had Eberhard at the head of it.
He is not an African American. He is an African migrant
@@helmit14 Yes, because the PayPal guys got fed up with him trying to take over their business.
"World's Largest Hyperloop Company"
...that doesn't sound like a very competitive field.
"Hyper loop generates more power then it consumes" I almost had an anyurism from hearing that
On the one hand a train generating more power then is needed to run it is obviously a pipe-dream and not going to happen.
On the other hand it's not impossible, in theory, for a system to generate more power then it uses. Otherwise power plants would be impossible.
@@warron24 there is in fact always a loss. You're forgetting that powerplants use a lot of fuel, or external torque to produce that power. Without which it wouldn't. In our current state of technological understanding, there is no way to make a generator that produces more than it consumes. It's just that the consuming power isn't just electricity. :)
I mean it's pretty obvious that they're referring to the solar panels, though even that is bullshit
@@warron24 power plant converts fuel, kinetic and/or heat energy into electricity, nothing is 100% efficient, let alone creates more
😂😂😂
what i find disgusting is EVERYONE just took his word for it
you are too good not to assume that most talking heads in the video claiming they will build the hyperloop were completely aware of the impossibility of the project but have seen a way to get money for their company/university/etc thanks to the hype. From a university aspect, being part of the story like winning a competition or hosting a committee means money. From company aspect, investor money is free money if the hype is high and you can get good terms. What you need is a mandatory optimism and straight face.
What i find disgusting is that EVERYONE of them still has a job.
I'm thankful Musk & oligarchs like him haven't been able to get rid of government regulations yet bc they probably saved lives stopping him from just putting this monstrosity up on his word it'll revolutionize whatever..
The same thing happened with Elons cybertruck, as he lied through his teeth more than 6 years ago and everyone just believed everything he said, when it was 100% lies?
What this shows is that most people in powerful positions are total illiterates in science and engineering. God help us all.
I like how "earth is too bumpy" is not only his first listed reason why Hyperloop failed, but also the first reason of most of those who thought hyperloop was absurd from day one listed.
Phsha. All you need to do is dig through the center of the Earth in a straight line to the other side and thus it won't be too bumpy!
He never ever thought that it would work - he just pretended and lied.... and earned big bucks
Actually, for me it was further down the list from "how long is your vacuum tube supposed to be?!?" That point was not even addressed.
@@richardmetzler7909yes, how many years will it take to get the air out 😂
@@nicodesmidt4034if you put pumps every 10 m or so, it probably wouldn't take too long... but then you have thousands of potential leaks for your tube and thousands of moving parts that have to be monitored and maintained. But remember, the ride will be as cheap as a bus ticket!
A god damn good fought war. Congrats, your video six years ago was just brilliant.
These people will never admit they were wrong and never apologize.
Here’s the biggest issue: I was a part of the 2010 hydro electric tunnel creation in Niagara Falls. The tunnel was 10 kilometres and it took 3 years and cost 1.6 billion!!! Now it’s a much larger tunnel but the idea that any tunnel can be dug under cities and for less than billions is utterly absurd
But where does the money come from for the rocket science? Lol@brc11crb59
This comparison isn't fully apples to apples. Musk Boring company was able to dig a hole in Nevada fairly cheaply. Lol, once people realized it was just a hole, interest dropped quite rapidly but nevertheless it was fairly cheap. A "hydro-electric" tunnel sounds like there is a ton of other things going on. And I'm sure they tried to abide by all regulations mandates which Musk has known to be abhorrent of.
@@potodds_trading I'm pretty sure Thunderf00t has a video on that as well, where he talks about the tunnel being average cost considering it's size. People picking that up forget it was the raw cost of carving the tunnel (nothing else) and that tunnels get exponentially more expensive as the volume increases. They were comparing the cost of a tunnel for a single lane car to a train man.
The Niagara Falls tunnel is a great example! That boring machine, "Big Becky" is larger and much more powerful than the Musk tunnel borer.
I remember Big Becky from high school. She was boring. @@TristanMorrow
The vindication we all feel right now, after a decade of often being the only one in the room explaining that Musk was either a scam artist or an imbecile, adds spring in my step.
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. He can be an imbecile AND a scam artist. This is my preferred option
It doesn't matter... People who believed in this nonsense will continue believing that Musk is a genius and you just can't convince them otherwise. I tried, it's impossible, can't tear away people from a cult unless they want to leave the said cult...
At least those of us who didn’t delve that far in the Kool Aid came to our senses and rightly called this stuff as hogwash
@@zwerko personality cult's gonna personality cult...
Remember the "Hype" in Hyperloop.
This is crowdfunding for rich people.
thats called 'venture capital'
I was never able to get a good answer to this question: How do people get out if the car stops for some reason? They claimed that a section would be automatically closed off, pressurized and people would exit the car, walk along the tube and open an escape hatch. Wow that's a lot of things to go wrong starting with closing off a section with moving doors and pressurizing the section in time to prevent the passengers from asphyxiating. What if someone needs a wheel chair, for example?
No wheelchairs allowed. Only people that can walk are allowed to ride.😂
@@dannydaw59Couldn't that be discrimination..?
You actually convinced me all those years ago that Hyperloop is a terrible idea and that Musk is the definition of a grifter. Thank you for your pigheaded steadfastness, Thunderfoot!
I absolutely agree 💯. They talk about how China is years ahead of us but gee look they've never bothered to build anything like a Hyperloop. Gee I wonder why that is 😂😂
@@Hyper_Fox06The China myth is also a pretty annoying one. They built so much useless stuff that their defaulting on everything. It doesn't help that constant corner cutting and subpar material that everything falls apart.
Another great example is their microchip industry. It turns out most of that was just massive fraud and faking it.
Honestly they kind of remind me of Russia. Everyone thinks they're good at what they claim to be. But once it gets stress tested it falls apart.
He's worse than a grifter, he's also a fascist
The voice of reason.. it works.
You can't be considered first world until you add RGB lights on a railway, wait no I meant the stupid Vegas Loop
I design/build underground tunnels for a living here in France.. Always been a Musk skeptic, but especially since "The Boring Company" where he boasted about doing impossible things in an industry I actively work in. Honestly I was a bit peeved, but more than that dumbfounded how/why he managed to get all the hype especially from professionals, still am. Luckily my colleagues knew it was complete bs, unlike many people in the other industries he's boasted about revolutionizing. You do great work TF!
Snake oil sells, especially when graft is involved.
Yeah, when Elon comes in and says "we'll do this thing that has never been done before, and we'll make it ten times cheaper than current solitions" - does he think that all the people who have worked on and thought about these issues all their life are morons?
It depends on where they are in the Dunning-Krueger curve.
That's how it goes, for most people at least, Musk seems like a genius smart guy at first from all the propaganda PR on the internet, then once he delves into your profession, you quickly realize the guy is a bumbling idiot grifter full of shit.
He's part of a cabal. They are very good at creating saviors and heroes with their hype/brainwashing machine.
The sad part about all this is that most of that money wasted most likely came from government grant, which means the people were the one to suffer the most. AND musk was most likely able to declare those losses to reduce the taxes he needs to pay.
what i couldn't understand is why the pod needs to look aerodynamic when its traveling in a vacuum. was it just to look cool?
Yeah, what's the point to that? Seems they were more interested in image
exactly!!!
When I first heard the concept, my initial reaction was, “we already HAVE climate controlled pods that travel between cities at 600 mph in a partial vacuum. They are called airplanes, and they don’t even need a dedicated metal tube between destinations, they can go to ANY city, anywhere, that has a flat stretch of ground a couple miles wide.”
Just that airplanes are ridiculously inefficient
@@earlgrey2130i think an airliner gets 100mpg per passenger, id say thats pretty efficient.
@@earlgrey2130 They are thousands of times more efficient than building the equivalent of a submarine that’s 500 miles long. Trying to hold high pressure Out while managing to make the cars that held high pressure inside and provided a life support system for passengers is more complex than a submarine, which costs about 1 billion dollars per 100 feet. The stupidest thing about the “hyperloop” was the absolutely imbecilic claims about how cost effective it would be. No, covering it with solar cells would NOT have generated enough power to keep the air pumped out and powered a maglev track. The cost of ordinary high speed rail is high, but the majority of that cost is just acquiring the right of way. Hyperloop would have added a ridiculously complex steel tube that would be nearly impossible to keep a vacuum in. It would have been highly susceptible to terrorism, and even so much as a simple dent would have caused an implosive collapse that would have not only killed everyone in the entire length of the tube, but would destroyed the entire line. But worst of all is that all the expense would result in a single line that traveled only from One city to One other. ( stops along the route would have slowed travel dramatically, lowering the overall average speed, and complicated the entire system with some kind of airlocks to get cars in and out of the tube, slowing things ever further. By contrast, Airplanes are SO efficient, that air fares are affordable to everyone. And any airplane, can fly between any two points at will. They do the exact same thing the hyperloop is purported to do, are already the safest mode of travel, and already actually exist. Hyperloop Claims of ‘efficiency’ were never anything but lies and wishful thinking.
@@SentinelxPrime Indeedd a lot of people dont do the math. In fact Its needs quiet a little amount of fuel , per 1000 mile, per passenger to get someone from a to b by airplane. Looks like earlgrey didnt researched it, and just wanted to sound smart , answering a onelineer to christopherpardell4418.
@@earlgrey2130 Probably not as inefficient as trying to maintain a vacuum in a tube several miles long.
Hyperloop was such a good tool to divide the world into those who understood simple physics and those who didn’t
lol
I FELL FOR A LOT OF ELONS BULLSH!T but the Hyperloop was not one of them - I've worked with vacuums - I knew this was not ever going to be a "thing"
I am a group leader in mechanical engineering at a university that participated in such a loop program years ago. as a joke (*cough*) i back then said we will not take any undergrads for a thesis who ever participated in the loop. implying the comment above 😅 glad to see that more and more now still have realized that maybe we better put our time and effort elsewhere...
it could still work....on a moon colony... easy to have vacuum there but on earth.....no XD
@@thecursed01Moonbase Alpha transport tubes,
Boy if only the legislators of West Virginia showed the same enthusiasm for vaporware nonsense as, say, functional unions for their many suffering coal miners. Pfft, never gunna happen.
“It’s basically just an air hockey table!”
Um, you do know it’s supposed to be in a VACUUM, right?
Yeah, have you ever noticed whenever musk tries to talk about anything technical, it's always nonsense.
Yea. A "vacuum chamber" and a "air hockey table in a tube"
Are opposite devices in terms of air pressure application
Why people simp for Musk is so confusing . TF00T used to rip up religions, now he's taking down techno ponzie ..it's very telling
I used to work in R&D for a company where the boss was constantly spouting musks propaganda as gospel. We had an argument about the stupidity of Elon's hyperloop idea, to which I had to concede due to his seniority and stubbornness. Just emailed this video. Checkmate.
Yes I'm petty... :D
If you are petty, well: TF for sure is as well.
It's basically his one vice.
Obviously we love his "told ya so" tyrades. xD
I like your pettiness
I've honestly never worked at a place where someone has brought up an obvious marketing/investor(aka Musk) as someone with a groundbreaking idea(technical) before, makes me question how the guy was leading your team, like what... The single time Musk was ever brought up was because he was involved with Starlink and it was being used in war(Ukraine) and the ramifications of basic internet being used to dial in bombs/drones on US orders by an otherwise technologically inferior force(NOT making comment, repeating what was said).
And so you should be. Your boss can shove it.
Your boss's head is so far up his own ass, it poked back out of his neck, giving the APPEARANCE of a normal human.
In a world full of lies, scams, fraud, and pseudoscience, I am glad to have found this channel. Thank you Phil, keep up the amazing work.
And Casey from the video still has a PHD 😂
Why does it annoy me that that guy isn’t sharpening the full length of the sword?
Disregard sharpness, give sword a sexy hourglass figure
The fucking Simpsons Monorail tie in killed me...
Stop, stop! He's already dead....
The thing that's ridiculous to me, is that we're so focused on wasting money on futuristic transport that doesn't work (yet?) that could be invested in MODERN solutions that DO work...
There is a TON to be gained from a municipal transport system, even if it's just for goods and not people... if it's small enough to fit garbage (out to garbage collection) and food (replacing doordash) it would be used extensively, even if it was an aircart or something
The techbros are consistently giving me excellent examples for teaching critical thinking skills.
Yet they'll always say that it's the skeptics who lack critical thinking.
This is what they DOOOoooooooo!!!!!
@@sethmiller2532 The more detached from reality a particular idea is, the more its proponents have to rely on "alternative logic" to defend it.
An actual literal pipe dream, wow.
Dang, did TF miss that? Maybe he dropped it in the OG takedown video.
“Mountains are really tall.”
Hundreds of millions of dollars went to this genius. 🎉
i once vandalized a hyperloop model at a school fare when nobody was looking.
It was a wooden tube made with 2 by fours. had a hyperloop logo on the middle plank on the Y axis (that is up and down on the outside, think billboard/sign side) i wrote with a black permanent marker "DEBUNKED/BUSTED!"
This was in School year 2016/2017. Needless to say i never regretted doing this.
6 Years ago, watching that video i thought to myself - "Arguments sound legit, but it's just a guy from the internet against genius-philanthropist. Guess I'll reserve my judgement on this issue for a feu years."
And look at where we ended up 😂
how dare you being reasonable on the internet?
As far as im concerned, Thunderf00t deserves to gloat about this forever. For a decade people hyped up a complete scam and shoveled their money into a burn pit, while spitting on a real scientist who was just trying to cut out the b.s.
No mercy😂
No, didnt you see the guy's tweet? they were SO close to changing the world forever. Just needed another 500 million dollars and they would have made hyperloop possible
AGREED, Carpenter! Until muskrat enablers go back in time and undo all the damage they caused by wasting so much money time and energy on a completely unnecessary & proven economically disastrous idea,
Thunderf00t is absolutely justified to keep gloating.
@@k1z603 And than 1 billion after that (just always ad the money of the prior rounds)! 😁
They still seem to be shovelling.
Gotta keep on digging.
What about solar walkways....
Meanwhile Japan already has hyperfast trains that go 200mph. They just made sure that freight trains have their own lines, and passenger rail has dedicated faster track. Mag-Lev is already proven tech, and no vacuum required.
In Europe we just prioritise passenger traffic on the lines and make sure there’s room on the tracks for freight to wait on passenger traffic. A couple of countries considered splitting the two completely, but this works just as well and is a couple of million EUR cheaper.
USA had passenger rail service. The open market threw it on to the garbage heap where it belongs along with all public transportation.
The open market should be thrown on the garbage heap where mass transportation is concerned@@jeffmellow
Yep, not to mention, in a country with mountains, earthquakes, cold winters, and hot summers. Almost like you can engineer around the conditions, if you're not arbitrarily nailing yourself to a strangely specific mode of transport
@@jeffmellowyou mean the car industry lobbied against it?
As I said in my comments on earlier Thunderf00t's videos, The Hype-Loop technology was never "impossible," but it was and is impossible to achieve more cost-effectively than high speed rail. No one studying Hype-Loop ever did a ridership projection or a benefit-cost analysis. That's what a civil engineer like me would do first before running my mouth like the Hype-Loop advocates did. The Hype-Train will go down as one of the biggest examples of vaporware anyone dared to propose.
I was a wee child when I first saw your criticism on hyperloop all those years ago crushing my dreams. Later on, I gradually realized this Musk guy was blowing hot air and now when I see the clip of the man sharpening his sword, I can't help but laugh my ass off.
"Hyperloop is the next big thing!"
$400 million dollars later
"After millions of dollars of research, we concluded that Earth is indeed not flat."
I hope this is not about that you would need a flat earth for it, because that's not the problem.
@miriamweller812 more than that, I think flat 🌎 would make creation of lowdensity-levitation even harder.
"Mad" Mike Hughes could have used that info a few years ago.
You think they spend ANY of the money on research or development? or did it all go on new Porsche for the upper management types?
This is not a WIN for us or Thunderfoot or the world. Imagine how much good could have been done for the people of the world with this money.
Imagine they would have installed Solar cells and Batteries at houses in some poor underdeveloped remote regions in the global south for 400 million dollars. I don't know, it could have helped about 15 thousand housholds or more depending on how much electricity a poor household actually needs...I imagine they have less electric devices...
Those 7000$ per hour had to go somewhere, and since they never actually built anything of substance I'm pretty sure a majority of it landed in the pockets of those upper echelon grifters. They knew what they were (not) doing, and they sure as hell paid themselves a hefty salary in order to successfully fail at their respective jobs.
That was the goal from the beginning. Musk got raised stock evaluations and people got paid. If they actually got a hyperloop to work that would be a bonus, but it wasn't an essential part of the plan.
And still with a nation way behind in public transit over this nonsense when we could just have a railway
@@USSAnimeNCC- Yup, the waste is infuriating.
It's like the plot of "The Producers", except it actually worked.
Take this victory lap, you've earned it
$500m to learn the lesson "Earth bumpy". Casey was very clearly out of his depth.
I remember I was a producer of a now defuct podcast in 2013 when Musk first brought up Hyperloop. We focused on nerd and geek culture, my brother was the tech expert on the cast, and the host was a wanna be nerd who didn't really have any scientific or pop culture knowledge. The host was so excited about hyperloop, until my brother pointed out the contradiction in the very design of the hyperloop: "How can you have an air pressure cushion for the capsule if the tube is supposed to be holding a vacuum? No air, no air pressure." Watching the truth sink in, live on air, was one of the funniest things I've seen in my life. It was just like the Simpsons clip where you can pinpoint the exact moment Ralph Wiggum's heart breaks.
I live when Musk in one video compares with an air hockey table. "How hard can it be..."
Then sometimes later are asked if he went for maglev or air cushion. After a *very* long pause he responds with "Wheels. We selected wheels."
The outcome after his engineers had been given some time pondering the problem. But I think that was still when the fool wanted an air tank behind the train to store warm air so they could cool off first at the destination. But fool Musk never considered the *size* of that tank to fit all that air without humongous pressure. Because Musk the non-engineer never uses a pocket calculator and physics formulas to compute actual real-world values.
It's so tragic... think of all those brilliant people who worked on this who will now go on to find jobs in other industries... using their experience in Hyperloop to deliver even more useful methods to burn money.
Sorry, I said tragic, I meant horrifying.
The damage is already done, the opportunity cost to society is more or less hundreds of millions is wasted resources.
I hear McDonald's is hiring...
@@robins3352 maybe those brilliant people can _finally_ fix the soft serve machines?!
Don't worry about them, the project failed, but they got tons of experience in practical engineering, processes, problem solving, creative thinking, etc.
I mean, they are probably experts and material science and vacuum chambers
100% I've been waiting for this. Thanks for delivering.
Also, building a curved track definitely brought up some inconvenient, basic details related to the last unexplored frontier.. reality.
The physics department at the University of Munich has still not recovered from Sebastian's internet appearance.
If you were a scientist and knew something wasn't going to work, but your boss was willing to pay you to try anyway, what would you do? Good work man😂
scientist? not really. engineer? yes. if you pay for it, we will build it. or at least try. maybe even point out why it failed, if you ask.
I'd give it my best shot, and hope that I can salvage some good data out of it.
Anyone with real ethics would at least try to tell them itsa dumb idea, and you are throwing your money away. They most likely won't listen, but to maintain any integrity at all, you have to try.
@@Scudboy17that maybe why they only attracted the dumbest of the dumbest into the project, the other declined and laugh
😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄@@Scudboy17
Perhaps the real Hyperloop was the one in our hearts the whole time.
I'm reporting this for an insightful conclusion violation...
it's the friends we made along the way..
West Virginia needs to bring fraud charges.
It's crazy, how many times you've been right. Even when "debunking" ingenuity, where you said it will work, but can probably only do simple flight patterns.
It's incredible 😂
The fact that the airline lobby didn't do anything to attack this like they have successfully attacked bullet trains for years in order to stop them from being built in America too should've told the people involved in these projects everything they needed to know.
Never thought about that but you're right.
I’ve been watching this channel for so many years now and the one thing I never get tired of is getting to bask in the second hand glory every single time TF gets it right in spite of all intellectually bankrupt zombies that serve as cheerleaders for these tech industry PT Barnums. That’s what happens when you make your predictions based on evidence and good old fashion science and math instead of day dreams and pixie dust.
I remember TF being skeptical of the viability of the Mars drone. He called the idea unlikely to succeed - potentially possible but only barely as far as the numbers were concerned. GG NASA for beating expectations. I like seeing the odds beaten.
When we get into hyperloop garbage, though, the numbers very clearly don't work, and TF calling BS without reservation is incredibly satisfying.
It really is genius.
Convince investors to back a project that'll never work to divert money away from ones that will because the ones that would work are direct competitors to your car business.
It was well worth the wait. Hats off to you sir!
hyperloop, the "i'm rich and i don't want public transportation to be updated in the country i live in" flex of all time
*so i can expand in the automobile market for personal monetary gain
hmm conflict of interest? no way...
So basically, Casey said that they got really close to making the earth less bumpy and mountains less tall, that's impressive
That was the plan of Medical Mechanica in "FLCL", using GIANT IRONS operated by giant robot hands to smooth the planet! SMOOTHING OUT THE WRINKLES SO YOU CAN'T THINK!!!
I knew it... IT'S AAAAAAALIENS!!!
Everything is possible "if you just...". I mean, it would work *if Earth was just* perfectly flat disk. Damn Globe-heads, ruining everything!
@@PeteOfDarkness We like to call em globetards around where I'm from
I just want to say that I love your content. I myself have fallen prey to hype, specifically the solar roadways thing, but your videos have helped me be able to analyze these types of things in a much more informed and logical way. I really appreciate it.
We Americans can't even do a bullet train. People are out there thinking we're going to build and maintain a "hyperloop"?? ROTFL. No. Been to San Fransisco lately? We can't even keep the sidewalks clean.
I just LOVE the absurd juxtaposition of an air hockey table inside a vaccum tube. Air cushion with no air.
A degree doesn't make one intelligent, but merely educated. I met a chemist that, out of school, with a Masters Degree, couldn't tare a balance. I met electrical engineers struggling to use an oscilloscope. A lot of people with photographic memories can get degrees, but, when confronted with anything they hadn't seen before, fail miserably (no critical thinking skills, no reasoning power, and other traits needed to utilize all that info they memorized).
It’s a stupid idea, but in fairness, no vacuum is perfect, not even space. In theory, given the vacuum they had defined, if they got the trains going at the speeds they claimed, what little air was still in there would bunch up at the front and sides of the train. In theory, that would let you make something of an air cushion around you; of course, one would need to get up to those speeds first, which presents some serious problems.
@@chamberlane2899 Not really. To achieve lift you need a density differential (velocity can increase the differential, but it's the same thing). There simply wouldn't be enough air left to support a hockey puck much less a giant pod with people and equipment weighing 30 tons.
@@davestorm6718 This was during Engineering frosh week (so new students just entering University) but one team tried strapping a bunch of tires on their makeshift raft for a competition. They were convinced it would help with buoyancy and a Comp Engineer was the one that had to explain how that isn't why empty tires are strapped to tugboats (their inspiration). It's not even an Eng thing, University is very much about following a guideline. Plenty of brilliant people do poorly in Uni while some true dumbasses have Masters in topics I'm convinced plenty of High School students could score better in.
One thing we can know for certain at this point. Linus certainly never took a grade 11 physics course. 😅
As we learnt recently, he can't even read instructions.
@@fonesrphunny7242 recently? he struggles with controlling his fingers.
@@fonesrphunny7242Who?
I do remember him talking down on it more recently somewhere last year, but it was nowhere near as hard hitting as his original quote.
Glad I've been subscribed for the entire journey, Congratulations 🎊
Its good to see you're still doing the same things! Keep it up Thunderf00t, Never change!
Has anyone interviewed all these people hyping the hyperloop and asked them, "What do you think of yourself now? Have you learned anything?" And then put it together in a documentary?
Hopefully that will be a Netflix doc next year
They won't because, like Thunderf00t said, it's a a religion, an emotional thing. They will just move the goal posts or say they never said the things they said and that we are all stupid and misinterpreted it, like religions do when their predictions fail.
Linus Trash Tips hyping it should've been a sign too.
Hopefully he was an investor
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@@JayGee6996Why else would he be hyping anything.. 🤭
The top management people had always known it would fail. The 400 mil they burned was not even their money. This had been all just a ruse to derail the high speed railway proposal - pun intended.
Hyperloop IS a incredible new form or transportation!
It just transported half a billion dollars from the asset side of the spreadsheet to the loss side.
I just never understood how anyone got farther than "it will be in a vacuum tube and ride on a cushion of air." Vacuum? Air? Vacuum? Air?
It must be weird to work as an engineer in those companies that end up delivering nothing.
Its like elizabeth theranos's employees...
Easy paycheck
@@NiteshadeX2they’ll drift to the next start up that doesn’t produce anything, “engineers”
It is. The best thing you can do for yourself is leave as soon as you figure it out!
It's frustrating if you were led along, however I'm a mechanical engineer and found it easy to estimate the volume of a small section of the hyperloop and then being so clever I researched the largest low pressure chamber on earth and this small test section of the hyperloop would break the record largest low pressure chamber by orders of magnitudes. Red Flag, BS meter maxed, any engineer with a measurable IQ would figure this out.
This thing was in real trouble as soon as elon started talking about 40 mph teslas in a tube. That guy gets way more credit than he deserves. You are correct about his inventions. So many people fail to realize even electric cars existed before him... he just capitalized on wide availability of lithium batteries to power those cars, instead of the heavier older alternatives like lead acid. Its also disgusting that it disrupted high speed rail adoption.
University presidents, politicians and big stupid shiny expensive new ideas: always a good match.
Please reach out to Casey Handmer for an interview
He appears to be honest about the ridiculousness of Hyperloop when he called it a dead-dead terrible idea
I'd love to hear the weird and interesting inside story he hints at and exactly how close he thinks they got
That's a great suggestion, but if I were Casey, I don't know if I'd be up for it after this video 😂
Handmer is a shill. It won't happen.
maybe potholer could reach out for an interview ? @@richardmetzler7909
Phil Mason: one of the best at pointing out scams and a first ballot hall of fame inductee at winning with the grace of a toddler. And i'm here for all of it.
Lol, you are not wrong :)
It’s amaizing how mistakes like this where cost 500m and no one will be ever punish for this
Guy sharpens sword was a great pick to say it all