Hyperloop TT vs. Virgin: The Race to Make Musk’s Moonshot a Reality | WSJ
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- Опубликовано: 25 янв 2021
- Seven years after Elon Musk first challenged innovators to develop a functioning hyperloop system, Richard Branson-backed Virgin Hyperloop and Hyperloop TT are in a race to bring the high-speed transportation technology into the real world. Photo illustration: George Downs
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Elon Musk is very smart. He take old ideas, give it new name and let other companies spending money to develop it. He dont even own any hyperloop company yet he get most credit for it, this is free PR for him. He know hyperloop is not going to be fast, safe and cheap as he claimed (he make up those numbers just to get media excited). Hyperloop also slow down HSR development and this will make sure private cars (more Tesla) remain most popular form of transportation in future. He is truly marketing genius, he fooled everyone.
The US wants Hyperloops without investment in national maglev train lines? Smh
I have name to this project too , its a scam , 100 years in making and no one has come up with an actually working real life model .
There is no point to make a train in a tube , when you can get same speed without the tube , hyper loop does not even promise the speed Chinese maglev can do .
Shanghai maglev does 431 km/h (268 mph) , and that been operating since 2004 ... and even in China they have problem with too few passengers .
Wheel based trains are still cheaper to run , when you dont need to use energy to keep the train off the ground , only to move it forwards .
This. The hyperloop is a over-engineered train. when they will want to build the first real line, they will have 10 times as many problems as building an high speed rail line. Just build a train.
They should only try and do short maglev lines first. Then if they can pull that off, long maglev lines. Only then think about taking some amount of air out of a very long tube.
This comment and this whole thread is spot on. The United States needs quality, fast trains with regenerative braking. This stuff is hilariously pointless
The US does NOT want this BS. It's like you're believing the hype in some weird way. It's very big scam, as far as I'm concerned. On the other hand, people have invested heavily in utter nonsense before--and will certainly do so again after this is history.
Man thunderfoot is going to have a field day with this.
He already has several videos about this, they're hilarious!
Scientists work in this ideas and Those scientists who r expert in this topic know and understand that pretty well
So it need New ways or something
ruclips.net/video/vgUIzyn0hZY/видео.html
Just 4 small questions, 1) how this vacuum tube hundred of Miles long is going to cope with thermal expansion/contraction between day and night and between winter and summer that can amount to tens of yards? 2) how the passengers will evacuate this pod in a vacuum in case of emergency? 3) what happens to all the supersonic pods in transit in case of a major leak along the way? 4) how much more energy compared to a train is going to be used by the thousands of pumps needed to maintain the vacuum over such humongous vacuum vessel.
There are no anwsers..
This is just a scam. An insult to real engineers (Musk is just a businessman) and scientists
a) The vacuum tube is compartmentalised so it isn't continuous. It is a vacuum tube so it doesn't contract or expand without a broken seal. b) Each company has different approaches to evacuation, but it is much the same as subway and tube travel. c) supersonic pods will slow if there is a disturbance and pass through the chambers that are non-vacuum seal at a slower speed. d) Typical trains will be cheaper, this is a premium service until energy becomes far cheaper than it is in decades to come.
Like ribbon rails. Being strongly held down.
Leaks ar not that bad, it would just add drag and slow the pods down.
One atmosphere is 10 tons per square meter so the energy needed is the same as pumping the same volume of water over 10 meters.
By the time these companies made a few kilometers of vacuum hyperloop, some countries will be having maglevs running 900kph through 20,000 km long lines...
Thunderf00t's video on the hyperloop is worth a watch.
All of them.. lol
thanks for the recommendation
No, it's really not. He's wrong on way too many fronts.
@@phooogle
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@@IvorMektin1701 Ignore him, Elon fanboys don't realise they're in a cult
0:10, incorrect, In Elon's original 2013 paper, he did not mention magnetic levitation. He proposed to have the pod to ride on a cushion of air.
yep, what a hyperloop is now is just a maglev vacuum train
Whatever, Musk doesn't know what he is talking about anyway
Correction: original concept did not have magnetic levitation. It was an air bearing based design for levitation with a powerful turbine for propulsion and to compress the limited air for use in the air bearings for levitation.
The original concept seemed very economical. These modern designs are going to be even more expensive than maglev train, which is already incredibly expensive.
Because air bearings in an air evacuated tube is contradictory.
@@ChanninSmith obviously not fully air evacuated but similar to pressures at airliner altitudes.
@@Arcadia1997 it is possible that modern nitrogen cooled superconductors make electromagnetic levitation far more economical than before
Ah yes, Hyperloop. The Theranos of the transport industry.
Hyperloop: ....
Thunderf00t: HOLD MY BEER....
The real OG watched a 5-min version before this
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You already know
Same
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Meanwhile in my country we still use horses and chariots
Which country
Africa tribes lololol
In Philippines. Some city use horses as transportation lol
I still use bicycle
I reckon that's a drive to zero carbon emissions.
I finished it, I finally know what the end was
Simple harmonic motion ❓
Yeah I was like, what? Video stopped? Maybe internet problem. Then saw the video really ended
So at present no such thing as "hyperloop" exists, no tests have been done on actual hyperloop.
Virgin Hyperloop tested with passengers a while ago
The US want to build hyperloops when it can’t even built high speed trains between its big cities and provide adequate public transport for its people?
Right!?
It's called "priorities".
Well this is venture funded, that is government funded. Quite different IMO. Also, in the States, building interstate high speed railway will be difficult logistically and legally. California which has an intrastate demand is incredibly slow and inefficient. We will see in the future
well you can always skip a step right?
Companies are in a neck and neck race - at the 1cm mark of the 1000m competition
It'll be nice if they work together, wouldn't want two speedy trains filling up around California
No competition is key
Calling Thunderfoot, Calling Thunderfoot, reality check required...
Scientists work in this ideas and Those scientists who r expert in this topic know and understand that pretty well
So it need New ways
That man is kind of an idiot
@@lightbox8019 I guess anyone calls for a common 'science' sense is one these days.
@@lightbox8019 he explains every fact very meticulously with a tiny bit of bias. But hey we need more people like him otherwise people like Elon make fools of us. But Elon is a businessman first, can't blame him.
@@ganeshshenoy2615 The only people who Elon musk is making fools of is people who doubt constantly doubt him.
LOL - The race is on! Both Hyperloop TT and Virgin are cranking out CGI after CGI and ordering thousands of neon lights! The best BS artist wins!
That’s cool, but why not invest in the almost non-existing American railway system?
Extremely expensive and extremely slow. Sometimes its better to start off fresh.
In Australia a single 14m diameter hardrock TBM driven tunnel could easily be driven Sydney/Canberra from 10 launch shafts in 5 years for $20m to allow a proven 600km/h Japanese maglev.
The general public would not go in a pressure reduced tunnel like a plane yet but once they get used to an atmospheric maglev then pressure can be reduced via the ten launch shafts to allow 1,000km/h.
I wanna keep all the Amtrak trains all year and every year.
Chad Teslaloop vs Virgin Hyperloop
Chad... yeah. Budapest first metroline was built in 1896 in 2 years, and capable to transport 80000 people per day. Chad teslaloop has trouble to serve the promised 4400 per day.
But it will take forever to dig the tunnels or build them. Or am I wrong?
Don't follow the Titanic. Rather, use photon wind tunnel mechanism for propulsion. Strange that no one has thought of it even today. It's safe, and twice as efficient in principle.
So, a fast train, but with no windows. We now have trains with windows but aren't fast. I'm not in that much of a hurry to sit in a windowless can.
How about using Hyperloop as a rocket technology by launching it into the sky using mountainous terrain? The combination of circular acceleration tunnel and rail gun technology can create some pretty cool rocket technology.
Rail guns are far too slow to reach orbital velocities.
@@falconJB I know that, too. A short comment can not have the details. I mean that it has a real rocket in the Hyperloop tunnel. A normal Hyperloop pod can't go to space. With this technology we can save a lot of money(fuel and a bunch of heavy components).
Look at Spin Launch
Interesting, but a couple of things are different. The tunnel that I mentioned is not a sling shot or a spiral one but has a ring shape for continous acceleration and spacecraft is not bullet-shaped but a rocket with an attached reusable launching system. Additionally, It can use a high mountain for safety issue as well as a little bit rare air condition.
Ok, so the tunnels seen unsafe, so what to do ?! Cut the tube in half and have an open air top with the electromagnetic tracks in the bottom half and design the fuselage for aerodynamic down force when at speed and have a second electromagnetic breaking track or tracks that can pull and create down force using sensors that keep the fuselage on track at speed. This configuration will allow access to the fuselage if mechanical problems develop en-route. This will also allow atmospheric air get to a electric turbofan used for propulsion. To save power the electro tracks would only turn on when the fuselage is within 100 feet and turn of when the fuselage is 50 feet down the tracks. The electro breaking system can stop the fuselage very quickly and within acceptable G-force limits in emergency's. The onboard computers will be getting information of whats ahead on the track of up 100 miles or more using video surveillance cameras along the track. Snow, in some areas, will be a problem so the tube is replaced with steel runners positioning the electro tracks on the runners at specific heights along the side and bottom of the fuselages along with the electro breaking systems for drainage purposes. The speed this configuration could make is over 4oo to 5oo mph in good weather with the fuselage have a clear lexan ceiling and also most of the side.
All the animations here show vehicles supported by maglev by the design as shifted to maglev on the roof for Virgin and HARDT. This is the second shift in the support technology as Musk had air-pads in his white paper. There are errors in the white paper as well.
Aside from the safe separation of small pods at 1000kph (or even 500kph), how do you safely switch tubes at those speeds? (They can’t slow down because the next pod is right behind them.)
If they cannot run at short headways they won’t have enough capacity.
The video shows a bladed iris as the air lock. Looks fancy. Completely impractical. Virgin at least has a video with the airlock at the platform.
All of these basic problems still unsolved and they think it’s just the matter of building a 1 mile test track? Only 1 mile? The Transrapid maglev test track at Emsland was 31.5km long and the initial test line for the SC maglev was 18.5km. Without similar lengths the hyperloop systems can’t be rigorously tested.
There are lots of failed high speed ground transportation - Bennie rail plain, Aerotrain. There are lots of reasons hyperloop will join them and very few it will succeed. It’s the gadgetbahn we didn’t need.
Musk is no idiot. He isn’t going to lose his money investing in something that is just a hobby.
China should have It’s 600kph maglev test track running by 2025. That’s the real story to follow.
Only China has a high speed maglev. It is difficult enough that China only has one and Japan has not completed theirs yet after over a decade of development and 4 decades of study. Only a maglev should be attempted at first by either company. First prove they can build that.
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If this ever comes to be are they building the track underground?
Sorry about the typo, I meant Sydney/Canberra for $20b
I saw it and suddenly it goes private
Both companies will fail because this is too expensive and dangerous. Just build a VFT.
Is this a reupload?
Yeah the first video cut off at 5 mins for some reason
BUSTED! Thanks Thunderf00t.
The white paper, the white paper all glory to the white paper 😂
The Reupload let’s hope it doesn’t cut of at the end
Both can win and about another fifty companies doing the same.
This is like blue ice and boats in the nether
Wall Street Journal is playing it safe apparently! Speaking for the people, but being careful enough to not anger the powers-that-be! 😂😂🤣🤣
In other news, HS2 price tag is currently £106bn - and when it's finished, then we'll believe it.
A ridiculous expensive disaster playing out very, very slowly. The real engineering problems that need to be overcome just to make a vacuum tube that size make it completely impractical.
Hyperloop combined with SC Maglev would exceed Mach 1.
lol when they put the 0-760 mph thing im like im sure it doesnt just stop at 760 mph
Why not upgrade current high speed train track gradually. Starting from the most profitable one.
USA has only small area there between Chicago , Boston and Washington DC , where train traffic could make profit .
When you go from Chicago to west , there are not many train stops , thats why all private train companies that tried to get to west coast failed .
انا عندي مختلف أنواع المطابع المعدنية والمدافع الورقية العالمية امريكية والصينية والتركية اوالروسية، والدول الاوربية والعربية لطباعةالاموال
It's strange that ot took Elon to start it. The idea has been around for a so long time.
Yes and there is a reason it was abandoned
@@Lrripper it was pneumatic, not like this
@@Lrripper that’s the reason, and the lack of technology
@@oscaralejandrotorresaguila5886 and the absolute superiority of the bullet train.
@@Lrripper the only thing trains have better is the visibility (except underground trains), hyperloops are meant to be faster, cheaper to power and cheaper to build.
The problem is the engineering on it, once it’s fully tested and the first hyperloop is functioning, it will expand across the country and maybe Canada and Mexico.
I swear version has a lot of great ideas they start a lot of projects but I've never seen anything become completed besides virgin Megan store that was the only thing I've ever seen them complete something they have a lot of golden visions but they don't complete anything like when SpaceX say they're going to do something you see them immediately start building it and complete it version just start talking about something and then work on a prototype and then that's it you don't see them completing anything
I wanna keep all the trains all year and every year.
Have they done failures analysis on this system? If the train crashed, how are they going to extract the people and the train from inside the tube?
@Carl Klinkenborg
How much hyperloop track have they got - 5km? Wait till they got 500km.
@Carl Klinkenborg
I am very generous.
They have no idea what they get themselves into. The certification of established highspeed trains is regularly taking 2+ years. That is despite established and proved technologies.
Hyperloop has made absolutely no progress in the last years and will never work. It is a stupid idea.
They just did the first human test ☠️
@@stefanoraffo5096 But in what? Certainly not in a working Hyperloop.
@@niederrheiner8468 yes? a working hyperloop that you can see here www.avinteractive.com/markets/transport/bluejeans-verizon-live-streams-historic-worlds-first-passenger-test-hyperloop-technology-07-01-2021/
@@stefanoraffo5096 The real problems come with real high speed and real length of the tube. Without that it is nothing. Everybody can build a toy car with an electric motor.
@@niederrheiner8468 but they did something in the past few years apperently. Is it going to work geuss not but she speaks the thruth
This video is only slightly critical, maybe just to hide that is actually an advert for the hype. I doubt that the "reporter" who made this video watched Thunderf00t's video ruclips.net/video/VrbstnzbhZA/видео.html
I wanna keep all the Amtrak all year and every year.
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LOL fanboy
@@gameboyruzzell356 who is not
@@harikrish9558 speak for yourself
I saw they deleted the previous one.
Why?
@@arbaz79 it was incomplete
Yeah I'm not convinced either of them will be able to make this moonshot viable.
In its current state, at least. Inb4 it gets downgraded to Hyperloop standard metro...
The cost of the track or tunnels alone will bankrupt the company
Yes
if tunnel bends for turn then it will be hyper only in cost but vehicle will be slow
Thunderf00t...
Hyper loop in a vacuum isn’t really viable. Watch thunderf00ts videos on the matter.
Hundreds of engineers and scientists across dozens of companies and student groups vs A neckbeard on RUclips making videos 🤦♂️
His video was very disingenuous because he was assuming full vacuum when the paper called for airliner altitude pressures. Expansion and keeping those pressures becomes far easier if you build it in a tunnel versus an outdoor Tube, hence the boring company
@@Beyondarmonia I really hope the hyper loop comes to fruition the way it was intended. It seems like they’re not even pursuing it like that anymore though. Can you show me a working example of the hyper loop under a vacuum?
Sorry, Maglev in China.
thunderf00t. That’s it.
Lesson: It's really difficult to focus on multiple companies.
Can we get a hyperloop from Las Angeles to Las Vegas?
Мне одному кажется что что то не так, если молекулы летят на сквозь предмета значит они меньше размером чем те которые могли бы притягивать, это значит что могут создать магниты для всей материи что бы притягивать как магниты, леветирующие машины создать могут !!!??
1:24 scariest moment of my life
Why does everyone keep insisting this was Elon's idea?
Nowhere in the video they said it's his idea it's just that he made it popular and is promoting it since 2012.
If you just abolished security checks in airport time for flying will decrease no need for hyperloop
@Super the tsa has never stopped a terrorist attack you have no idea what your talking about
fun fact: hyperloop isn't coming
yep another money pit - 7 billion dollars to build 100 feet of steel tube with a car that doesnt even reach full speed...
Is China or Japan also doing hyper loop?
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Don’t believe anything until you see the first 20 miles of vacuum tube of the actual size needed and the real pod transit under vacuum at speed higher than a current maglev atmospheric train 600 km/h 375 mph
No matter who wins the race, I can't wait to step on a hyperloop!
Just for fun I've made a couple of videos imagining the global hyperloop network we might have in 30 years.
The Hyperloop network will consist of 0km of tunnels in 30 years.
To exspenciv to build 100 million 1 km.. Skyway is green energy train and it is beeing built. Cost 2-6 million 1 km..
Why are the cars so aerodynamic when they'll be traveling in a vacuum?
Didn't look aerodynamic to me. And they never mentioned just how strong of a vacuum they're shooting for
Finally amtrak will be pushed to improve or die
AMAZING !!!!!!!!!!!
even your Tesla by robot building!
Nice video.
don't be afraid robots! so many works already robots did!
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this is great and all but why cant we just replace all the trains with bullet trains
WSJ has stock in Tesla and Boring Company. Of course this a fluffer piece on Muskito.
Stupid idea. Why we always want to go fast. Enjoy the ride man.
Nothing but a pipe dream, let's be serious for a second
Depressurisation of the pipe ?
Thermal dilatation ?
Earthquakes ?
The amount of energy needed to create a vacuum in a chamber hundreds of kilometers long ?
The engineering problem of building a tube strong enough to support the negative pressure AND massive carriages traveling at supersonic speeds in it ?
Let them solve any of these before it becomes a credible idea
well i mean before the first airplane people also thought it was impossible to fly
You made a good pun... but it ends there
@@nilsr4230 Wildly different eras and average education levels. We are used to innovation and can see when its impractical and plain idiotic.
This is akin to visions of flying cars from the last century
@@ssrini2002 Any rebutal/solution to any of the problems I mentioned ?
You tried a deflection by reduction but it falls flat my friend
Your safer underground when you have a earthquake, if you didn't know this, I know you didn't bother researching about the other points
Driving by vehicle is still far more economical than any of these plans and designs. Why are electric cars still more expensive than a high level F150?
Economical? Maybe. Faster? Not a chance. And what does an f150 or electric car have to do with any of this? Which is more expensive than a LOT of electric cars
Regardless of the solution Americans have neglected a travel option between cars and aircraft for far to long.
Our cities in the U.S. should have replaced trains decades ago.
Mag-Lev, Mono-rail..... The solution doesn’t have to go 700 mph.
After watching Thunderf00t video, I just doubt they'll ever accomplish these transportation systems. This is all Hyper after all, like people wanting get Flying Cars but in reality we have helicopters and VTOL concepts.
Back to the future
i just loved narrators voice
question how much money of tickets? cheap than airplane? or more then airplane plan? i would rather use airplane!
Way too much hype around A. Musk.
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How about another fiction, Murray?
Maybe I'm being a Luddite, but I'm not sure this is going to happen or be that feasible.
You're not being a luddite at all. It's ridiculously impracticable.
@Peter Mercado
*Wright brothers.
Those tunnels look ugly on the surface of the earth.
I mean I definitely agree, but its not like the current road infrastructure looks any better lol
@@TheBenLemonade they should be designed like they are invisible from the outside and panoramic from the inside. it is possible
Even though Virgin is winning the race, you gotta admit, the Hyperloop TT train car looks jaw-droppingly stunning.
It may be stunning but the design looks like some futuristic bullet train, they are in a vaccum for petesake and there is no air resistance inside so why that design?
its an empty tube lol
I'd prefer something that actually works oder an empty shell any day.
@@steviegbcool 😂😂
Gods
Transport analysis from EU?? Ohh aliens are real..
its as futile as a colony on Mars and as just as unlikely to ever happen