Vox does some great work and then chooses this abysmal sponsor... It is one thing choosing an awful sponsor that no one knows... But a loathed company is ridiculous!
@@TheFireGiver The majority of their "Therapists" aren't licensed, and a lot of them are extremely unprofessional, even talking to clients in public spaces or around other people.
40% of law enforcement agencies nationwide did not submit 2021 crime data. While a number of states, including Connecticut, Delaware, and Vermont, had near universal compliance, many others did not. 24/7 Wall St. reviewed 2021 NIBRS participation data to identify the states that do not report crime to the FBI. In each of the 21 states on this list, at least a third of law enforcement agencies did not submit crime data to the FBI in 2021.
Poverty is criminalized. As far as I know the origins of that criminalization come out as a reaction to slavery only being legalized for people who are convicted and imprisoned.
That's because they listen to the media and the media says crime is high so they can hook eyeballs to watch ads. As far as I'm concerned the media has destroyed their credibility.
It’s entertaining to feel like you know what’s happening or like you are making hostile safer by knowing some secret dark truth. Same as armchair political commentators or people who do their reasearch and find a miracle diet tea
There is a similar phenomenon when you look at the actual statistics of death versus media coverage of deaths. For example, Homicide makes up 0.9% of all causes of death and terrorism is basically almost 0%, yet the news coverage on homicide is 22% (compared to coverage on other causes) and coverage on terrorism is in the 30% (in 2017 at least). Meanwhile, heart disease makes up about 2-3% of the coverage while 30% of deaths are actually due to heart disease. The news only reports on sensational causes such as homicide, cancer, self-harm, terrorism - but never about slow systemic killers like respiratory disease, Alzheimers, pneumonia, kidney disease, etc.. They’ll also only mention drug overdoses to say it’s a problem, not who it’s happening to and why and how to solve it. Same goes with crime - they’ll report on the sensational homicides happening in populated areas, or talk about the poverty on the streets, but never about the actual systemic causes of the suffering that leads to crime, or the crime that happens on a daily basis to disadvantaged communities (unless they wanna demonize them).
Like fear around nuclear reactors. The accident rate is superrrr low but because they're so televised when they do happen, people are fearful to have one near them even though there's so many beenfits.
It's also true within homicides, we have a really skewed idea about who murders who. Unless you're involved with organised crime or have an abusive present/former partner, you are phenomenally unlikely to be murdered. Especially if you're a woman.
40% of law enforcement agencies nationwide did not submit 2021 crime data. While a number of states, including Connecticut, Delaware, and Vermont, had near universal compliance, many others did not. 24/7 Wall St. reviewed 2021 NIBRS participation data to identify the states that do not report crime to the FBI. In each of the 21 states on this list, at least a third of law enforcement agencies did not submit crime data to the FBI in 2021.
This was during Kathy Hochul's run for governor in New York. It was extremely offputting to see live, because the protestors looked gleeful that crime was up and they could use it as a cudgel against the governor.
I think a big factor in why Americans feel as though crime has been increasing is because of our media. When we turn on the tv, whether it’s the local news, or national news channels like CNN, Fox, CBS, MSNBC, etc. you’re more than likely gonna run into at least one story talking about someone getting killed, or robbed, or assaulted, or something else along those lines; and it’s because those stories interest people more than something along the lines of, “This zoo welcomed a new animal.” “Our city has just elected a new comptroller.” “The public library has bought a thousand new books.” I’m no different, in my city a security guard at my old high school was shot while breaking up a fight, and one of the first things I did when I heard that news was turn on the TV to hear my mayors press conference on the shooting. News channels jobs are to tell the people what is happening around them, but it’s also to get views, and talking about crime is one major way to get more people listening to you, and in turn get more money. But it also leads to a somewhat warped perception of reality, because when these for profit companies constantly talk about crime in order to get people to listen to them, it in turn leads people to believe that crime is everywhere, even if that isn’t true.
The news media depends on FUD. It doesn't help that Sinclair Broadcast Group, alone, has something like 30-40% of audience capture, alone, in the US. With the highest number of "must runs" blasted across "local" news stations. No one should be permitted to have that much power over perception.
In a way, the more tougher in crime laws may might as well push them onto a darker path, leading to the very situation they are trying to prevent... Enacting perception based laws without hearing any context when they need to constantly talk about every crime story is dangerous.
Yet some want to vote a convicted felon as president, with the crimes being low brow stuff like lying about paying 100k to hush a pr0nstar, not any highbrow stuff
poverty could lead to crime but poverty =/= crime. There are neighborhoods in New York City that are in average to below average median income yet still have very low crime rate.
What resources are available to people in those neighborhoods though? They could have better access to food banks, homeless shelters, housing assistance, free/low income clinics, and other programs, and that won't necessarily show up in income statistics despite having a huge impact on a communities well being.
Median income is also middle class. There's a huge difference between below average and poor. 38k per year is good money. Like, that's an income that lets you not be in debt AND build up a nest egg for emergencies. You could have at least given an example of an impoverished community for your purposes if you wanted to make that point.
poverty's only a consequence of crime, but not entirely a cause. Just the only thing that's a threat was robberies, and each and every day they keep hearing the news story of murder (some dating back decades).
What, you mean Americans form their opinions based on what they _think_ is true, regardless of whether it actually aligns with reality? That's a shocker.
I think that perception is also affected by how well an individual experiences crime. What I mean is that in the 90s when you saw a news story about a violent crime you would potentially see police tape or at most someone in a hospital. Now, thanks to everyone having really good cameras in their pockets and surveillance cameras being so cheap, you don't see the scene of the crime but you get to watch the crime itself. You see the gun fight or you see the person being beat with a hammer. It really changes your perception of how safe you feel. Before it was just a statistic, but with the video you see it in all of its brutality. The brutality hasn't changed but how you experience it definitely has. Edit: Also wanted to add that just because the rate is decreasing doesn't mean it still isn't too high. Our homicide rate is much higher than most developed nations with our homicide rate of 6.4/100k being much closer to Russia's 6.8 and El Salvador's 7.8 than Canada's 2.3 or Norway's 0.6. It is better but we still have a long ways to go.
This is a great point. I’m too young to remember the 90s, but I do remember the time before we were able to watch high quality crime footage on our devices 24/7. Watching the actual crime is more immersive than something like an interview with the victim. Even if it’s an unlikely event, watching it happen to a random person makes it feel like that could be you or a loved one.
I remember the 90's and there were loads of shows like Cops and World's Wildest Police Videos that used video footage of crimes as entertainment, and lots of sensationalised crime reporting. There's more video footage out there than ever, but there's always been a huge appetite for it and mass-consumption of crime footage is not a new phenomenon at all. Newspapers in the 1930's used to regularly print graphic crime scene photos that would be heavily censored in today's press. There was widespread scare mongering about crime back in the 90's as well, leading to drastic increases in incarceration during the period and the proliferation of harsh anti-crime measures such as three strikes laws and mandatory minimum sentences. Unfortunately the disconnect between the public perception of crime and the reality has been around a long time.
Nice comment, chaos; can I pile on? Why indeed did crime drop so much during the 90s? One, many more cameras near downtown streets and at businesses were installed in the late 80s and early 90s, and two, DNA evidence became admissible in our courtrooms in 1987. News that your DNA could now lead to your conviction gradually spread after 1987; this prompted a lot fewer false accusations--which is a crime--as well as cut back on other crimes. Anybody else? What else caused this, for instance, halving of our unaliving rate (since 1990)? (Note: America is halfway up that list, unalivings per 100,000 per year. There are about 210 countries who keep stats on unalivings, and we're about 105.)
The big issue with poverty-as-crime is it looks to solutions for crime instead of solutions to poverty, and this in turn helps make the poverty worse. American homelessness in cities is very much related to increasing costs of rent, which is about city policy and housing. Drug use is largely the opioid epidemic which was a pharmaceutical malpractice and can be aided with recovery programs. Addiction combines with homelessness to become _visible_ addiction. Solutions to crime is the police. The police can only shove people around or throw them in jail for some time. But they don't go away so the problem doesn't really go away. I don't know how to solve that so long as people conflate police/addiction and actual crime. Whenever a city tries to push for better and proper policy there is an uproar because if you only see the problems are criminal then shifting attention away from policing looks like a tolerance of crime.
Maybe I'm being simplistic but its sounds like tackling homelessness would make people feel less anxious about crime whilst also getting people back into society and maybe even long term increasing tax revenue for the government if the get jobs etc So....do that?
Homelessness is a super complex issue, but yeah, greedy existing homeowners (same one afraid of crime) collude to use zoning to prevent new housing supply. NIMBYs are evil.
It's not that easy because a lot of homeless people have permanent and expensive to treat mental health problems. But yes, that would work for everyone that doesn't fall in that category. As someone who knows someone who does work in this area, it's not as easy as you think.
So I live in Philadelphia, and I've lived here for 3 years. Part of the issue with these surveys is that people will tend to remember a spike in crime for much longer than a period of relative safety, and they may believe that a crime spike is still ongoing much longer than it actually is. Around the pandemic, there was a fair bit of looting downtown--not uncommon to see a store with boarded windows after a break-in. After the pandemic, the "Kia Boys" challenge saw a spike in vehicle theft. Once Kia/Hyundai recalled the affected vehicles, there was a new issue with roaming gangs of teenagers entering stores en masse and shoplifting stuff, using their numbers to get away with it. All of those problems have subsided for the most part, but things like that stick in people's minds. People may delude themselves into thinking looters are still breaking into pandemic-shuttered stores in 2024, or car thieves are still targeting Kias and Hyundais despite them receiving a security update a year ago. Bad experiences tend to make a bigger impression on our minds than good ones.
Life long Philly resident and you’re absolutely correct. The crime rate in Philly has gone down for sure! I remember back in 2020 crime was through the roof. Now it’s back to typical big city levels. Not great, but nowhere near what was in 2020
There are three kinds of people: 1. Those who see crime happening on the streets. 2. Those who see crime happening on the news. 3. Those who see crime happening in the numbers. Group 2 are operating with zero, or effectively zero information. They're not multiplying the murder rate per whatever by life expectancy and calculating the expected QALY cost due to the chance of being murdered due to lifestyle change XYZ. They're not looking at what's happening in the world and reacting accordingly either. They're looking at the news and the news always says one thing "there was a murder somewhere in the country today." If murder got 30 times better or worse it would do the same thing. They are completely insensitive to *actual* changes in crime rate, only to what an opinion-based partisan media ecosystem SAYS the crime rate is doing. This is the vast majority of Americans who take neither a data driven nor direct experience approach but rather one that is based on anecdote and feelings rather than anything else.
As with numerous other issues, a big part of the problem is news networks needing to create drama in a bid for viewers. Add social media who will say anything for money to that equation, and we end up where we are now.
Lol, yup. All the people on Facebook and Nextdoor sharing video from their Ring cameras. For a while, a neighborhood near me actually did have a spike in vehicle theft. Because the residents are wealthy it got a lot of attention and coverage, but also action to curb it. Signs everywhere about best security practices, etc. Now it's largely stopped again, but the feeling that vehicle theft is rampant has been left in the wake of the actual crimes
the people within the "tough on crime" crowd who I know tell me their entire set of evidence for this illusive "out of control crime" is "I think there are more security guards in stores" and "that one incident I saw on the news the other day which happened 20 miles away." We live in the exact same neighborhood, have largely the same exact local experiences, yet somehow reach completely different conclusions. The differentiating factor is media consumption. I'm just not plugged into media constantly reporting on every little bad thing which happens in a 100 mile radius to turn a profit, or worse, media which very explicitly tries to sell a narrative of rampant crime.
@@angiersj I don't think hes referring to that but some places have decriminalized certain crimes or have made police response non existent so reporting those crimes don't happen.
which is why cops crimes aren't in the data, or else police would be the #1 source of crime, second only to bosses stealing from employees and landlords scamming renters.
Economist Steven Levitt proved that about 30-50% of the drop was caused by increased abortion access. The data was reanalyzed recently (about 20 years after the initial paper) and it held up extremely well. Other major causes are removal of leaded gasoline ~20 years prior, and an aging population bulge (crime is very, very, very tightly correlated with age), plus more police.
@@randomnobody8770 How would an increase in abortion access reduce crime? What's the causal link there? Could you also explain what leaded gasoline is and how its removal might lead to the reduction in crime?
Boy this video didn’t age well, given the fbi just adjusted their crime figures to show that crimes actually went up and not down at the end of that curve.
Politics is all about perception. It doesn't matter whether people *are* safe - only whether they *feel* safe. Perceptions can only be swayed by statistics if the people trust those providing the data. Nobody trusts anyone who gives them stats that run counter to how they feel.
Worth noting, most Chicagoans don’t limit their definition of downtown to the neighborhood officially known as the loop. Many would include much more than that going through the north, northwest, west and south corridors. That is important to consider when evaluating responses that don’t supply a definition for “downtown”
I’m not from Chicago but I completely understand. I was born and raised in St. Louis. St. Louis has high crime rates but our rates wouldn’t be as high if they simply included the greater St. Louis metro area when reporting the crime rates. There are so many people who say they’re from St. Louis but really they’re from a county of St. Louis. You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s all St. Louis or it’s all separate. A lot of the counties are too small to support themselves so they don’t have their own paid police or fire departments but they still want to be counted as separate while receiving aid from the city. And even within the city limits, I see stuff like this happen all the time. North St. Louis has high poverty and high crime rates. But let a violent crime happen 2 or 4 miles away in a different part of the city and the news will still report it as North St. Louis crime even while telling you what street it happened on. It’s ridiculous.
The stats are out for this year and crime went...DOWN again! In fact, it dropped in every major category. Murders down 24% from LAST year. The lack of social programs and mental health care is more of an issue in our cities than is crime. Let's address those issues, and we have a chance to make crime an anomaly.
Weird how my car gets broken into if I leave it in public any weekend. It’s just like a perpetual free reign for criminals to steal cars. It’s like a daily problem. Police don’t do anything. Weird how I have multiple police reports. I guess I just imagined that. weird how insurance companies are just stealing money through auto charge and not providing any service or payout. Weird. I guess I’m just imagining that money leaving my account. I guess it’s just a silly imaginary hallucination I’m having.
Something major of note that’s missing from this discussion is the fact that many, many police depts aren’t even reporting their crime stats anymore. And another thing to note- people just straight up are starting to not call the police when a crime is committed because of the massive distrust towards police and many police depts becoming incompetent at responding to crimes. I know from personal experience, since I used to live in a high crime area. When things happened to us (a guy pulling out a gun on us, someone trying to break into our car, someone across the street being beat to death), we used to call the police. They’d take 30-45 minutes to show up, and even when they did get there, there was a few occasions in which they threatened to ticket us for something random. When someone pulled a gun on my fiancée in the backyard, the police straight up said there was nothing they could do after taking 30 minutes to arrive and threatened to ticket us for our grass being too long. This was not a one time thing. We for the most part just stopped trying to call. Don’t let people gaslight you into thinking crime isn’t getting worse; it is. And it will continue to get worse as poverty keeps growing, life keeps getting more unaffordable, and capitalism keeps eating away at the American people here
Police crime statistics are also completely useless. They arrest you when a crime happens and they arrest you when a crime doesn't happen. They shoot when they want a vacation and justify it after the fact. Utter trash and useless yet we worship pork so they're held up as being reputable.
This is a personal anecdote, with no facts supporting it. Youre actually are feeding directly into the point this video is making... There is a group of Americans that have been so terrified by news and fearmongering that you've lost touch with reality.
One thing I would add to this is that Americans by instinct tend to blame...certain... groups of people for problems like crime. "Poverty doesn't cause crime, crime causes poverty," that kind of thing. And the comments you see if you scroll down about "13% doing 52%" - those people are getting at an idea that's very gross and shameful (they'd say it explicitly if it wasn't) but also kind of baked into the American character. The R word, baby! USA.
These people are just not facing reality. Go to an impoverished rural area, like Appalachia, and look at how much crime there can be. But of course, that kind of stuff isn't on the news much, and it's generally less populated, so less have firsthand experience in impoverished rural areas so its less known.
I always try to get them to explicitly state what they think that stat shows. To me, it shows that Black Americans are more marginalized, poorer, confined to worse neighborhoods with worse schools and worse employment opportunities, can't afford good lawyers, and are targeted by police more. To racists, it shows that Black Americans are inherently more criminal and violent. But yeah they're too chickenshit to even come out and say it directly.
@webby2275 It's also generally more hidden in rural areas, just as homelessness and drug addiction is. People conflate their lack of knowledge of these things happening with a lack of them happening.
More rigorous statistical analysis is needed. One example: use regression coefficients to quantify the relationship between mentions of crime in the news and the percentage of Americans who say crime is high. For instance, this could be done with time series analysis. One time series could be the percentage who say crime is high and the other time series could be the number of mentions of, say, homicide in national news broadcasts. Then, use a fast Fourier transform to get just the frequency domain of each time series. Now, find a regression fit between these two time series. The coefficient can tell you a lot about why people say crime is high. If, say, the coefficient is relatively constant. This means that people are always afraid. That is, their concerns fluctuate between various causes and motivations. If it’s highly variable, then more data analysis can be done to see what people are actually afraid of.
Its simple, at least in some parts of California, if you call the police the just won't show up...and they don't consider certain things "crimes" anymore.
@@ElinWinblad I'd rather police be spending time on active shooter threats or murders than petty shoplifting or traffic violations. Threats to life are higher priority than the rest. I do also think reducing funds to the police to allocate to social services would be even better. Police aren't really able to deal with mental health or homelessness so creating a department to focus exclusively using police money would be better
0:422:21 Violent crime & property crime3:00 Crime IN YOUR AREA 4:05 4:25 Chicago5:106:25 Everyday gun violence doesnt make headlines, only the ones that happen in wealthier/tourist areas 6:35 Homelessness ≠ Crime7:01 ______ ❌BetterHelp5:43❌
It's not all about violent crime though. People see the recent shoplifting meta and that nothing is being done to combat it. It's very likely that this area is heavily underreported because the police will not do anything anyway.
So what you're saying is that when the stats don't say what you want you move goalposts and make it something else? Violent crime down? Make the conversation about shoplifting.
@@stackhat8624 No? The video itself keeps bringing up the Gallup poll and the question clearly is "is there more crime in the US than there was a year ago?". Crime, not violent crime. Then they keep bringing up "ummm ackshyually, violent crime is down". So the whole video is built on a non sequitur.
Cost of living ( or just surviving ) keeps going up every year. The obvious outcome is more homeless and crime. Just rent alone is waaaaaay too high, never affordable. But if people are shoplifting food. I hope the police do nothing because clearly the person doesn't need extra punishments for surviving.
@@shawnfoogle920 The reality is, honest shoppers are the ones who cover the losses from shoplifting. The recent shoplifting trend has nothing to do with survival either. Letting petty crimes slide is not how you ever improve society.
To me, what’s missing was what people defined as crime. It did mention that some people thought homelessness was a crime but there are cities out there that aren’t reporting robberies or theft unless a certain dollar amount was stolen.
@tetrystI wouldn’t post that statement without knowing when these policies were introduced. Context matters and if that existed for 30 years it won’t have an effect on the statistics. It may be “missing” but doesn’t change the overall trend
Americans are wrong about crime increasing, but the levels we're at now are still pretty appalling when compared to other developed/affluent nations. My city's top 20 globally in crime index, but if you ask the folks who live here, they'll tell you that it's not so bad. And in one sense they're right; people still work, and love, and life goes on. But in another sense, they're just accustomed to living in one of the most violent cities in the world. And there's a lot of US cities like that. Americans might be wrong about the details, but they're right in thinking that we could do better.
I think most the issue comes from the fact that a lot of the platforms that exist are almost promising a "return" to lower crime rates; rather than actually doing something to decrease the crime rates we've always had. Crime is decreasing steadily, but since people believe its increasing, they are looking for a return to the past where they *feel* crime was not as bad- when it in fact was much worse.
5:11 and there you go. The majority and rise in crime isn't being report/covered in these neighbourhoods of "disadvantage" people. So what people are experiencing isn't what's been shown because of what it might implicate for yourself. Not to say the opposite with fear mongering about crime is honest either. But we need a neutral, honest coverage of crime.
The challenge is that people react most to visceral anecdotes, and in any place with a population in the millions, whether crime goes up or down, there will be enough crime every day to fill a segment on the news. So the only way to know is from dry statistics like the FBI data, which are easier to dismiss if people are already predisposed to believing the opposite.
I have lived in the same place for over 30 years. NEAR ME, it has increased very much. We never used to have robberies, carjackings, armed catalytic converter thefts, and MURDERS as much as we have now. It used to be mostly in Chicago. NOW it is moving more and more to suburbs like mine.
I'm not American but from what I have read and observed about Americans, I can guarantee you that race is a significant factor in how most of them feel about homelessness and crime.
Add to that the fact that social media algorithms feed off of emotional reaction rather than rational reflection and we have the perfect storm for panic.
Trust is on the decline. Crime statistics are going down because people trust institutions less and the act of reporting a crime is in itself an act of trust in an institution.
This is true. When I experienced violent harassment in a big city I didn't report it. I bet most people don't report crimes. Even calling them to ask if they've ever experienced a crime is really only going to catch the big crimes or recent crimes. I don't want to have to submit paperwork and have my Life Disturbed if nothing's going to come from it.
I agree. Also nowadays police want to see action happening personally and if unfortunately they come after call and situation calmed down, they not going to do literally nothing, and it's if they are good guys. Same with institutions, I can many times hear how my neighbour don't like other nathionaties, my as well, behave weird, but because of law it's almost impossible to get hard evidence that this person is racist.
Crime stats are going down because states are no longer giving their crime data/stats to FBI and other institutions.... You can look it up. You can look up which states haven't been giving their data/stats..
Crime is underreported because police have been defunded many felonies now treated like traffic tickets People think reporting crime is futile.Making crime legal does not make it go away
Most of us have a FEELING that crime is up while not experiencing crime at all. Not themselves nor their neighbors have witnessed or experienced crime. So I can have a feeling that crime is high, while my own and neighbors experience is very low.
@@JannWanna-ev3bh people who are victims of crime in Oakland and San Francisco have stated they been robbed a few times and have up calling the police.
all depends on the local PD and prosecutors. for example here in Detroit police stopped arresting people for many crimes. and prosecutors stopped prosecuting many crimes. so of course "crime rate" is "down" people's feeling is more accurate. one walking in downtown can feel safe/unsafe. many criminals just stopped being arrested here in detroit
the video does not explain whole sample without considering unreported/victimless crimes. it can be said that it is a successor to a certain political idea and denial of common sense. In any case, the approach of the mayor 08:45 is wisely. we cannot measure the attitudes but feel it. search “Siegel’ public order crime” for more.
5:06 people care about crime in downtown areas because that might be a place where people go. this isn’t a mismatch,, this a rational and reasonable way to think about crime (ie, how likely am i to be a victim of crime)
lastly, you posted this a day after 7 people died, and 70 people were injured in a mass shooting in chicago at a gas station. however, the victims were black, so people like vox don’t care.
I used to live in the Avenues neighborhood of Salt Lake City. I did not start getting break in attempts to my ground floor apartment until 2020. It has legitimately getting worse along with the homeless problem since then.
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Algo is our friend, but why did crime drop a huge amount in the early 90s? Please add to my tiny list. One, many more cameras near downtown streets and at businesses were installed in the late 80s and early 90s, and two, DNA evidence became admissible in our courtrooms in 1987. News that your DNA could now lead to your conviction gradually spread after 1987; this prompted a lot fewer false accusations as well as cut back on crime. Again, please add to my list. What else caused this, for instance, halving of our unaliving rate?
democratization of cell phones and rapid improvement in first aid care (we call it SAMU and SMUR in France & Belgium, don't know what's the american equivalent) over the same period as well.
I love how so much of public discourse is about how "they" don't let the outside opinions happen, when literally the main conversations happening are about whatever the "they" is lol
fear sells, especially when for some odd reason the people most scared live no where near or even go to the areas there scared of and cite in all their talking points
the need to always feel safe being entirely disconnected from whether or not a given person is safe is so wild. I'm an anxious person but at least I know that I project anxiety onto stuff and can try to course correct.
Despite sentencing guidelines which are harsher, and incarceration rates which have been higher, the murder and non-negligent manslaughter rate in Louisiana has been higher than that in any other state over the last 34 straight years according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report. That's true because Louisiana has been tough on crime, but not so tough on murder over that span.
Welcome to reality, where 90% of channels and creators that look to have morals, Will support scams as long as they get paid. Just a bunch of grifters and hipocrites
The same is happening in Germany. While we Europeans like to laugh about America, we are going down the same path. Social Media and the way media reports is ruining our society
Oh don't worry, we have alot to laugh at you about- your vanishing forests, your refusal to use nuclear power and starting up more and more coal plants, I can go on and on..
I live in Seattle and my brother lives in Portland. Crime is definitely not dropping. We both witness assaults every other weak. Crime is down because it’s not being counted any more.
They are using media fearmongering about crime to cover up their bad business decisions. The right wing media was flipping out about like three Targets in NYC closing, meanwhile they've been taking the city by storm the past 6-7 years. They just guested wrong on where the gentrification was going to happen.
This is very gaslighty by people living in ivory towers. You have local news reporting on various 911 calls going unanswered, ignored or no police showing up for 1 hour. The statistics are low because there is less police officers and apparatus to capture crime. If you call 911 in Oakland and Chicago, your call will likely go unanswered. If it goes unanswered does it show up in the statistic?
For every 100,000 Americans, 363 are in prison. For every 100,000 El Salvadorans, 1,086 are in prison. When more than 1% of your population is in prison, I think that's a bigger problem than a slightly higher violent crime rate.
Rather than having a good grasp of the rate of change, it is more likely respondants are basing their answer off of their expectations. In that sense, the homicde rate is 5-10 times higher than European countries and 3 times higher than Canada just for reference. Given how developed the country is, 'crime' is faring far worse than some of the other metrics the US is able to produce. Sure public perception on the rate of change may be wrong, but their recognition on the issue it presents to the country as a whole is not far off if they had been abroad and had any other country for reference against. Not to take away from the video but it is hardly surprising much less relevant how people think about the rate of change of crime, and nothing good will come out of changing that perception unless the intention is to move public support away from 'catching-up' to other developed nations on public/personal safety.
While it may not be enough, it would be nicer if they had to explain this a lot more often to ease their minds (also share it to your friends and family)
3:34 What an amazing graph. It is entirely unsurprising that the US populace as a whole thinks we're in an endless upward spiral of crime whilst the reality is it's dramatically declined almost every year in that graph.
Agreed they don't give you the definition of a violent crime and largely only look at the homicide rates. And found it rather peculiar they didn't mention the fentanyl epidemic when referencing homelessness but did mention a single statement cherrypicked from trump and biden when talking about safety.
1970s-80s: crime was completely normal in the US, people stop caring about it when it's just part of the daily experience. On the other hand, after 30+ years of lower crime rates, the crimes that still get committed warrant more attention (and panic).
I work in a downtown office that is part of a larger business district. With so many companies and government offices switching to remote or hybrid work, this has generated a lot of vacant leases and a significant drop in daily pedestrians and patrons to local businesses. Not only has this increased visibility of our homeless crisis and abundant drug use that was already there prior to pandemic lockdowns, it has led to an increase in car collisions and cycling accidents because people feel more confident driving at higher speeds when there are fewer people, but still high volumes of vehicular traffic. It's not an increase in crime, it's this void being filled, often by people who see this space as transitory, a place to pass through but not stay in, not interacting with the neighborhood blocks outside the confines of their car. Our city has been trying to devise ways of attracting new people to come to the downtown core, offering more hospitality and personal care services, building new apartment complexes close to major transit hubs, and investing in public goods like a new mid-sized music venue, and a brand new public library and digital archive. We're still a few years away from seeing what that will do for the improvement of our downtown sector, while still needing to address the social and moral failings of substandard care for our most vulnerable - the elderly, the unhoused, the disabled, and the very young. Offering them more opportunities to be seen as integral parts of our city's fabric while ensuring they have reliable access to the services and goods they need will hopefully revitalize my home city.
8:37 "equating vulnerable people with crime is not correct".... except it is considering homeless people commit significantly more crime than non homeless people, particularly to one another. Don't believe me? i encourage you to go camp out with them in a shelter for a month and let me know how safe it was. Why are you trying to say they're "vulnerable" as if though they're just poor little puppy dogs who did no wrong. you do realize that a life time of enacting ones own free will is what get's people where they are at any given moment. obviously theres other factors, but i promise you if you want to be strong and never work out it will never happen.
It would've been great if you connected the crime rate to the poverty rate. Crime almost always goes in line with Poverty and poverty is obviously affected by many things.
Funny how they have a stat showing an 8% increase in violent crime in NYC from 2019 to 2022, but then they go on to say that patrolling the NYC subway is pointless and a waste.
They mentioned that an increase in police presence in the NYC subway was not effective policy since crime is down in that setting already; and policies deserve to be redirected to areas that still have higher crime. Nuance is important.
8:59 It’s literally mentioned in the video that “crime on the subway had ALREADY been on the DECLINE”. So why send the national guard in to police a place where crime is already decreasing?
So you are trying to tell me, that in such a communal place like the NYC Subway, in a city where the crime rate has increased by 8% from 2019 to 2022, that it would serve no purpose to make the NYC subway safer? I’m not blindly gonna take their word that the “NYC Subway has gotten safer”. Perhaps it has compared to the 70s and 80s, but we need to start comparing to the 2000s.
8:55 Politics is all about Perception. If people think Crime is rising then Politicians will act upon despite of data saying otherwise. Its pretty simple. If people dont think Immigration is rising then despite of the numbers presented no one will act upon it.
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Better help is a scam and anyone that promotes it is contributing
It's Vox. I can't say I'm surprised.
Why are they a scam? Because it's expensive?
@@TheFireGiver RUclips is flooded with videos calling out BetterHelp
Vox does some great work and then chooses this abysmal sponsor... It is one thing choosing an awful sponsor that no one knows... But a loathed company is ridiculous!
@@TheFireGiver The majority of their "Therapists" aren't licensed, and a lot of them are extremely unprofessional, even talking to clients in public spaces or around other people.
People love making other people panic. It’s an American pastime.
Human. This happens across the world due to the Right Wing media and politicians.
Facts
Vox is great at doing that
Literally fear mongering their viewers into using scam ai pseudoscience
Vox better help!
Betterhelp? Seriously? Come on!
LOL i thought that too!
Whats the problem with betterhelp?
@@paksta its a scam
@@paksta they sell your personal information while claiming to "help" you
@@pakstaI also want to know the problem with better help, I have seen many creators partner with them and comments complaining about that
it's a shame to put out a video this good that no one in the comments is talking about because of the sponsor.
Ikr. They act like vox was promoting ivermectin ☠️
Thats what conservatives do...Its like their only trick...Deflection.
one could even say it's a... crime
40% of law enforcement agencies nationwide did not submit 2021 crime data. While a number of states, including Connecticut, Delaware, and Vermont, had near universal compliance, many others did not.
24/7 Wall St. reviewed 2021 NIBRS participation data to identify the states that do not report crime to the FBI. In each of the 21 states on this list, at least a third of law enforcement agencies did not submit crime data to the FBI in 2021.
Just a bunch of parrot accounts who repeat whatever they've heard. Kind of like the people the video talks about
betterhelp is bad for patients and practitioners
Why?
@@TheOfficialOriginalChadthere’s some pretty sick video essays if you search em up
@TheOfficialOriginalChad The same reason this channel is not to be trusted.
This
@@churblefurblesstop crying about sponsors are you gonna pay the bills at vox?
To Americans poverty is a crime.
And critical thinking
Poverty is criminalized. As far as I know the origins of that criminalization come out as a reaction to slavery only being legalized for people who are convicted and imprisoned.
@1337billybob poverty related behaviors.
Not having rent control is poverty.
@@AwesomeBlackDudeno
That's because they listen to the media and the media says crime is high so they can hook eyeballs to watch ads. As far as I'm concerned the media has destroyed their credibility.
Nightcrawler should be required reading
It’s entertaining to feel like you know what’s happening or like you are making hostile safer by knowing some secret dark truth. Same as armchair political commentators or people who do their reasearch and find a miracle diet tea
Crime is high, the media is covering for Biden, so why trust it.
Major city's like LA and NY stopped recording crimes and stopped reporting the numbers to the FBI ever since biden got into office. Google it
This IS the media, bought and paid for by you know who.
Better Help got sued for selling personal data and lost.
theyre causing crime to rise
There is a similar phenomenon when you look at the actual statistics of death versus media coverage of deaths. For example, Homicide makes up 0.9% of all causes of death and terrorism is basically almost 0%, yet the news coverage on homicide is 22% (compared to coverage on other causes) and coverage on terrorism is in the 30% (in 2017 at least). Meanwhile, heart disease makes up about 2-3% of the coverage while 30% of deaths are actually due to heart disease.
The news only reports on sensational causes such as homicide, cancer, self-harm, terrorism - but never about slow systemic killers like respiratory disease, Alzheimers, pneumonia, kidney disease, etc.. They’ll also only mention drug overdoses to say it’s a problem, not who it’s happening to and why and how to solve it.
Same goes with crime - they’ll report on the sensational homicides happening in populated areas, or talk about the poverty on the streets, but never about the actual systemic causes of the suffering that leads to crime, or the crime that happens on a daily basis to disadvantaged communities (unless they wanna demonize them).
Like fear around nuclear reactors. The accident rate is superrrr low but because they're so televised when they do happen, people are fearful to have one near them even though there's so many beenfits.
It's also true within homicides, we have a really skewed idea about who murders who. Unless you're involved with organised crime or have an abusive present/former partner, you are phenomenally unlikely to be murdered. Especially if you're a woman.
THE FAUX NEWS EFFECT.
homicide almost 1%? that is a lot....it is far lower in most countries
40% of law enforcement agencies nationwide did not submit 2021 crime data. While a number of states, including Connecticut, Delaware, and Vermont, had near universal compliance, many others did not.
24/7 Wall St. reviewed 2021 NIBRS participation data to identify the states that do not report crime to the FBI. In each of the 21 states on this list, at least a third of law enforcement agencies did not submit crime data to the FBI in 2021.
why on earth were those people just chanting crime in the intro?
This was during Kathy Hochul's run for governor in New York. It was extremely offputting to see live, because the protestors looked gleeful that crime was up and they could use it as a cudgel against the governor.
Yeah that sounds about right.
they want more crime
crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime! crime!
@@PlutoTheSynth thats enough crime ;w;
thats they culture, dont be racist
I think a big factor in why Americans feel as though crime has been increasing is because of our media. When we turn on the tv, whether it’s the local news, or national news channels like CNN, Fox, CBS, MSNBC, etc. you’re more than likely gonna run into at least one story talking about someone getting killed, or robbed, or assaulted, or something else along those lines; and it’s because those stories interest people more than something along the lines of, “This zoo welcomed a new animal.” “Our city has just elected a new comptroller.” “The public library has bought a thousand new books.” I’m no different, in my city a security guard at my old high school was shot while breaking up a fight, and one of the first things I did when I heard that news was turn on the TV to hear my mayors press conference on the shooting. News channels jobs are to tell the people what is happening around them, but it’s also to get views, and talking about crime is one major way to get more people listening to you, and in turn get more money. But it also leads to a somewhat warped perception of reality, because when these for profit companies constantly talk about crime in order to get people to listen to them, it in turn leads people to believe that crime is everywhere, even if that isn’t true.
Yup. The 4th Estate needs some common sense regulation. First of all, willingly disinforming the public show be considered fraud.
The news media depends on FUD. It doesn't help that Sinclair Broadcast Group, alone, has something like 30-40% of audience capture, alone, in the US. With the highest number of "must runs" blasted across "local" news stations. No one should be permitted to have that much power over perception.
In a way, the more tougher in crime laws may might as well push them onto a darker path, leading to the very situation they are trying to prevent... Enacting perception based laws without hearing any context when they need to constantly talk about every crime story is dangerous.
Fear sells. It's that simple.
Yet some want to vote a convicted felon as president, with the crimes being low brow stuff like lying about paying 100k to hush a pr0nstar, not any highbrow stuff
Not the BetterHelp sponsorship
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i really need to check what is going with Betterhelp
Pausing a video about crime to promote a scam...bruh moment.
The classic crime!!
didn't want to pull the sponsor on this video? Maybe you can do a video about how they're selling user health data
Yes
You russian bots are really trying to control that crime narrative lol
poverty could lead to crime but poverty =/= crime. There are neighborhoods in New York City that are in average to below average median income yet still have very low crime rate.
What resources are available to people in those neighborhoods though? They could have better access to food banks, homeless shelters, housing assistance, free/low income clinics, and other programs, and that won't necessarily show up in income statistics despite having a huge impact on a communities well being.
@brandon9172 It's not poverty
Median income is also middle class. There's a huge difference between below average and poor. 38k per year is good money. Like, that's an income that lets you not be in debt AND build up a nest egg for emergencies. You could have at least given an example of an impoverished community for your purposes if you wanted to make that point.
Because it's not about poverty and never was lol. It's all pure deflection
poverty's only a consequence of crime, but not entirely a cause. Just the only thing that's a threat was robberies, and each and every day they keep hearing the news story of murder (some dating back decades).
What, you mean Americans form their opinions based on what they _think_ is true, regardless of whether it actually aligns with reality? That's a shocker.
LOL It couldn't have been caused by a scare mongering news media bent on scaring people into watching them 24-7, could it?
you just did the same by generalizing all americans
@@lynn4780 Actually, no. One is GENERALIZING. One is SENSATIONALIZING.
@@ericbartol no diifference but cope.
@@chrischika7026 There is a difference. Check your dictionary.
I think that perception is also affected by how well an individual experiences crime. What I mean is that in the 90s when you saw a news story about a violent crime you would potentially see police tape or at most someone in a hospital. Now, thanks to everyone having really good cameras in their pockets and surveillance cameras being so cheap, you don't see the scene of the crime but you get to watch the crime itself. You see the gun fight or you see the person being beat with a hammer. It really changes your perception of how safe you feel. Before it was just a statistic, but with the video you see it in all of its brutality. The brutality hasn't changed but how you experience it definitely has.
Edit: Also wanted to add that just because the rate is decreasing doesn't mean it still isn't too high. Our homicide rate is much higher than most developed nations with our homicide rate of 6.4/100k being much closer to Russia's 6.8 and El Salvador's 7.8 than Canada's 2.3 or Norway's 0.6. It is better but we still have a long ways to go.
This is a great point. I’m too young to remember the 90s, but I do remember the time before we were able to watch high quality crime footage on our devices 24/7. Watching the actual crime is more immersive than something like an interview with the victim. Even if it’s an unlikely event, watching it happen to a random person makes it feel like that could be you or a loved one.
@Lyoko920 Still not, they are fudging the numbers while people are cocooning in response.
I remember the 90's and there were loads of shows like Cops and World's Wildest Police Videos that used video footage of crimes as entertainment, and lots of sensationalised crime reporting. There's more video footage out there than ever, but there's always been a huge appetite for it and mass-consumption of crime footage is not a new phenomenon at all. Newspapers in the 1930's used to regularly print graphic crime scene photos that would be heavily censored in today's press. There was widespread scare mongering about crime back in the 90's as well, leading to drastic increases in incarceration during the period and the proliferation of harsh anti-crime measures such as three strikes laws and mandatory minimum sentences. Unfortunately the disconnect between the public perception of crime and the reality has been around a long time.
If we can get it to a record low America will improve a lot!!!
Nice comment, chaos; can I pile on? Why indeed did crime drop so much during the 90s? One, many more cameras near downtown streets and at businesses were installed in the late 80s and early 90s, and two, DNA evidence became admissible in our courtrooms in 1987. News that your DNA could now lead to your conviction gradually spread after 1987; this prompted a lot fewer false accusations--which is a crime--as well as cut back on other crimes.
Anybody else? What else caused this, for instance, halving of our unaliving rate (since 1990)?
(Note: America is halfway up that list, unalivings per 100,000 per year. There are about 210 countries who keep stats on unalivings, and we're about 105.)
The big issue with poverty-as-crime is it looks to solutions for crime instead of solutions to poverty, and this in turn helps make the poverty worse. American homelessness in cities is very much related to increasing costs of rent, which is about city policy and housing. Drug use is largely the opioid epidemic which was a pharmaceutical malpractice and can be aided with recovery programs. Addiction combines with homelessness to become _visible_ addiction.
Solutions to crime is the police. The police can only shove people around or throw them in jail for some time. But they don't go away so the problem doesn't really go away. I don't know how to solve that so long as people conflate police/addiction and actual crime. Whenever a city tries to push for better and proper policy there is an uproar because if you only see the problems are criminal then shifting attention away from policing looks like a tolerance of crime.
unfortunate betterhelp jumpscare :/
So glad that I have yt with sponsor blck
Yes
Maybe I'm being simplistic but its sounds like tackling homelessness would make people feel less anxious about crime whilst also getting people back into society and maybe even long term increasing tax revenue for the government if the get jobs etc So....do that?
NIBMYs won't let that happen on their watch.
Homelessness is a super complex issue, but yeah, greedy existing homeowners (same one afraid of crime) collude to use zoning to prevent new housing supply. NIMBYs are evil.
It's not that easy because a lot of homeless people have permanent and expensive to treat mental health problems. But yes, that would work for everyone that doesn't fall in that category.
As someone who knows someone who does work in this area, it's not as easy as you think.
@@ret2popyeah but is still possible, itll be expensive but we could perhaps construct a better future for homeless people, and our nation in general!
but then you are giving money to the "poors", we cant have that, hand outs and all that, for reasons
why betterhelp
@Kessoku hiragana in name?
Because they need money
Money
So I live in Philadelphia, and I've lived here for 3 years. Part of the issue with these surveys is that people will tend to remember a spike in crime for much longer than a period of relative safety, and they may believe that a crime spike is still ongoing much longer than it actually is. Around the pandemic, there was a fair bit of looting downtown--not uncommon to see a store with boarded windows after a break-in. After the pandemic, the "Kia Boys" challenge saw a spike in vehicle theft. Once Kia/Hyundai recalled the affected vehicles, there was a new issue with roaming gangs of teenagers entering stores en masse and shoplifting stuff, using their numbers to get away with it. All of those problems have subsided for the most part, but things like that stick in people's minds. People may delude themselves into thinking looters are still breaking into pandemic-shuttered stores in 2024, or car thieves are still targeting Kias and Hyundais despite them receiving a security update a year ago. Bad experiences tend to make a bigger impression on our minds than good ones.
You must live in the suburbs because crime is rampant in Philadelphia
Life long Philly resident and you’re absolutely correct. The crime rate in Philly has gone down for sure! I remember back in 2020 crime was through the roof. Now it’s back to typical big city levels. Not great, but nowhere near what was in 2020
There are three kinds of people:
1. Those who see crime happening on the streets.
2. Those who see crime happening on the news.
3. Those who see crime happening in the numbers.
Group 2 are operating with zero, or effectively zero information. They're not multiplying the murder rate per whatever by life expectancy and calculating the expected QALY cost due to the chance of being murdered due to lifestyle change XYZ. They're not looking at what's happening in the world and reacting accordingly either. They're looking at the news and the news always says one thing "there was a murder somewhere in the country today." If murder got 30 times better or worse it would do the same thing. They are completely insensitive to *actual* changes in crime rate, only to what an opinion-based partisan media ecosystem SAYS the crime rate is doing. This is the vast majority of Americans who take neither a data driven nor direct experience approach but rather one that is based on anecdote and feelings rather than anything else.
The real crime is Betterhelp being a sponsor
Lets talk about:
White-collar Crime,
Wage Theft,
Tax Crime,
PPP Loan Fraud,
Police Crime,
Rome is all about the white collar crime.
Arguably the biggest crime issue we ACTUALLY have. These crimes help create the conditions for most others.
How about gun violence, drug trafficking, gang violence
@@WasiuGiwa-ul4hs again, largely precipitated by white collar crime.
@@WasiuGiwa-ul4hs All have been going down since the 90s, that is explicitly stated in the video you clearly didn't watch.
Vox still being sponsored by betterhelp 🙄
That's the real crime being committed here, sponsoring scams that actively ruin people's lives while calling it therapy
Did they do something wrong?
I say take the money, everyone here knows it's a scam.
They may not be able to get out of an ongoing contract.
@@jebkermen6087 That money comes from regular people like you and I.
As with numerous other issues, a big part of the problem is news networks needing to create drama in a bid for viewers. Add social media who will say anything for money to that equation, and we end up where we are now.
Lol, yup. All the people on Facebook and Nextdoor sharing video from their Ring cameras. For a while, a neighborhood near me actually did have a spike in vehicle theft. Because the residents are wealthy it got a lot of attention and coverage, but also action to curb it. Signs everywhere about best security practices, etc. Now it's largely stopped again, but the feeling that vehicle theft is rampant has been left in the wake of the actual crimes
the people within the "tough on crime" crowd who I know tell me their entire set of evidence for this illusive "out of control crime" is "I think there are more security guards in stores" and "that one incident I saw on the news the other day which happened 20 miles away." We live in the exact same neighborhood, have largely the same exact local experiences, yet somehow reach completely different conclusions. The differentiating factor is media consumption. I'm just not plugged into media constantly reporting on every little bad thing which happens in a 100 mile radius to turn a profit, or worse, media which very explicitly tries to sell a narrative of rampant crime.
@stormer7502 ignoring FBI change moment
Crime can't go up if you make it not a crime.
being homeless is not a crime.
@@angiersj I don't think hes referring to that but some places have decriminalized certain crimes or have made police response non existent so reporting those crimes don't happen.
which is why cops crimes aren't in the data, or else police would be the #1 source of crime, second only to bosses stealing from employees and landlords scamming renters.
@@angiersj Homelessness has nothing to do with this conversation
Obviously didnt watch the video, this is about violent crime specifically, that will always get punishment like homicide.
I'd love to see a video about why crime fell so sharply in the '90s
Unleaded gasoline
It was the hey days of the tech industry and money was plenty
Economist Steven Levitt proved that about 30-50% of the drop was caused by increased abortion access. The data was reanalyzed recently (about 20 years after the initial paper) and it held up extremely well. Other major causes are removal of leaded gasoline ~20 years prior, and an aging population bulge (crime is very, very, very tightly correlated with age), plus more police.
Michael Jordan.
@@randomnobody8770 How would an increase in abortion access reduce crime? What's the causal link there? Could you also explain what leaded gasoline is and how its removal might lead to the reduction in crime?
3:10 it's easy to say there's lower property crime when you don't bother doing a thing about it if it's under a certain value (California)
Thank you.
Boy this video didn’t age well, given the fbi just adjusted their crime figures to show that crimes actually went up and not down at the end of that curve.
Higher than the 90s?
@@willis7404 Higher than before we opened the border and started warehousing people in NY.
@@richhenry8004 source?
@@willis7404 Why start in the 90s? Why not start in the 50s?
Politics is all about perception. It doesn't matter whether people *are* safe - only whether they *feel* safe. Perceptions can only be swayed by statistics if the people trust those providing the data. Nobody trusts anyone who gives them stats that run counter to how they feel.
And now, barely anyone would believe it..
So true, classic moral panic
yep!
Literally fear mongering their viewers into using scam ai pseudoscience
Still high for a developed nation
@blazer9547 Much worse, even when fudged the numbers are further suppressed by the fact that the kids no longer play outside.
Let's also talk about the moral panic of those claiming that democracy will end.
Worth noting, most Chicagoans don’t limit their definition of downtown to the neighborhood officially known as the loop. Many would include much more than that going through the north, northwest, west and south corridors. That is important to consider when evaluating responses that don’t supply a definition for “downtown”
I’m not from Chicago but I completely understand. I was born and raised in St. Louis. St. Louis has high crime rates but our rates wouldn’t be as high if they simply included the greater St. Louis metro area when reporting the crime rates. There are so many people who say they’re from St. Louis but really they’re from a county of St. Louis. You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s all St. Louis or it’s all separate. A lot of the counties are too small to support themselves so they don’t have their own paid police or fire departments but they still want to be counted as separate while receiving aid from the city. And even within the city limits, I see stuff like this happen all the time. North St. Louis has high poverty and high crime rates. But let a violent crime happen 2 or 4 miles away in a different part of the city and the news will still report it as North St. Louis crime even while telling you what street it happened on. It’s ridiculous.
The stats are out for this year and crime went...DOWN again! In fact, it dropped in every major category. Murders down 24% from LAST year. The lack of social programs and mental health care is more of an issue in our cities than is crime. Let's address those issues, and we have a chance to make crime an anomaly.
As long as the Republican presidential candidate uses fear to get votes the problem will get worse. Apparently a lot of Americans are gullible.
Yup
Because some of the police forces and cities have stopped reporting the numbers you clown!
Weird how my car gets broken into if I leave it in public any weekend. It’s just like a perpetual free reign for criminals to steal cars. It’s like a daily problem. Police don’t do anything. Weird how I have multiple police reports. I guess I just imagined that.
weird how insurance companies are just stealing money through auto charge and not providing any service or payout. Weird. I guess I’m just imagining that money leaving my account. I guess it’s just a silly imaginary hallucination I’m having.
Not a hallucination, just an anecdote, which is meaningless when we have data
Something major of note that’s missing from this discussion is the fact that many, many police depts aren’t even reporting their crime stats anymore. And another thing to note- people just straight up are starting to not call the police when a crime is committed because of the massive distrust towards police and many police depts becoming incompetent at responding to crimes. I know from personal experience, since I used to live in a high crime area. When things happened to us (a guy pulling out a gun on us, someone trying to break into our car, someone across the street being beat to death), we used to call the police. They’d take 30-45 minutes to show up, and even when they did get there, there was a few occasions in which they threatened to ticket us for something random. When someone pulled a gun on my fiancée in the backyard, the police straight up said there was nothing they could do after taking 30 minutes to arrive and threatened to ticket us for our grass being too long. This was not a one time thing. We for the most part just stopped trying to call. Don’t let people gaslight you into thinking crime isn’t getting worse; it is. And it will continue to get worse as poverty keeps growing, life keeps getting more unaffordable, and capitalism keeps eating away at the American people here
Police crime statistics are also completely useless. They arrest you when a crime happens and they arrest you when a crime doesn't happen. They shoot when they want a vacation and justify it after the fact. Utter trash and useless yet we worship pork so they're held up as being reputable.
i share the same sentiments.
This is a personal anecdote, with no facts supporting it. Youre actually are feeding directly into the point this video is making... There is a group of Americans that have been so terrified by news and fearmongering that you've lost touch with reality.
It's not about police distrust, it's about the county not prosecuting and downplaying crime.
@@DreadedLad88 Classic projection, inflate the problem and when anyone addresses it tell them they've lost touch with reality.
You people are so lost
One thing I would add to this is that Americans by instinct tend to blame...certain... groups of people for problems like crime. "Poverty doesn't cause crime, crime causes poverty," that kind of thing. And the comments you see if you scroll down about "13% doing 52%" - those people are getting at an idea that's very gross and shameful (they'd say it explicitly if it wasn't) but also kind of baked into the American character. The R word, baby! USA.
Yeah, surprised they didn't mention it.
@@aimeem party of Lincoln the emancipator, and all.
These people are just not facing reality. Go to an impoverished rural area, like Appalachia, and look at how much crime there can be. But of course, that kind of stuff isn't on the news much, and it's generally less populated, so less have firsthand experience in impoverished rural areas so its less known.
I always try to get them to explicitly state what they think that stat shows.
To me, it shows that Black Americans are more marginalized, poorer, confined to worse neighborhoods with worse schools and worse employment opportunities, can't afford good lawyers, and are targeted by police more.
To racists, it shows that Black Americans are inherently more criminal and violent. But yeah they're too chickenshit to even come out and say it directly.
@webby2275
It's also generally more hidden in rural areas, just as homelessness and drug addiction is. People conflate their lack of knowledge of these things happening with a lack of them happening.
More rigorous statistical analysis is needed. One example: use regression coefficients to quantify the relationship between mentions of crime in the news and the percentage of Americans who say crime is high. For instance, this could be done with time series analysis. One time series could be the percentage who say crime is high and the other time series could be the number of mentions of, say, homicide in national news broadcasts. Then, use a fast Fourier transform to get just the frequency domain of each time series. Now, find a regression fit between these two time series. The coefficient can tell you a lot about why people say crime is high.
If, say, the coefficient is relatively constant. This means that people are always afraid. That is, their concerns fluctuate between various causes and motivations. If it’s highly variable, then more data analysis can be done to see what people are actually afraid of.
Its simple, at least in some parts of California, if you call the police the just won't show up...and they don't consider certain things "crimes" anymore.
Respect to the police though. Instead of going after neigblhbor disputes they're out there catching the real bad guys.
@@Katxunewhat’s a real bad guy? That doesn’t exist.
@@ElinWinblad I'd rather police be spending time on active shooter threats or murders than petty shoplifting or traffic violations. Threats to life are higher priority than the rest.
I do also think reducing funds to the police to allocate to social services would be even better. Police aren't really able to deal with mental health or homelessness so creating a department to focus exclusively using police money would be better
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Violent crime & property crime3:00
Crime IN YOUR AREA 4:05
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Chicago5:10 6:25
Everyday gun violence doesnt make headlines, only the ones that happen in wealthier/tourist areas
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Homelessness ≠ Crime7:01
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It's not all about violent crime though.
People see the recent shoplifting meta and that nothing is being done to combat it. It's very likely that this area is heavily underreported because the police will not do anything anyway.
So what you're saying is that when the stats don't say what you want you move goalposts and make it something else? Violent crime down? Make the conversation about shoplifting.
@@stackhat8624 People get uncomfortable when they find out they've been fooled by pixels on a screen. Hence the deflection all over the comments
@@stackhat8624 No? The video itself keeps bringing up the Gallup poll and the question clearly is "is there more crime in the US than there was a year ago?". Crime, not violent crime. Then they keep bringing up "ummm ackshyually, violent crime is down". So the whole video is built on a non sequitur.
Cost of living ( or just surviving ) keeps going up every year. The obvious outcome is more homeless and crime.
Just rent alone is waaaaaay too high, never affordable.
But if people are shoplifting food. I hope the police do nothing because clearly the person doesn't need extra punishments for surviving.
@@shawnfoogle920 The reality is, honest shoppers are the ones who cover the losses from shoplifting. The recent shoplifting trend has nothing to do with survival either.
Letting petty crimes slide is not how you ever improve society.
The distance between rate crime and rate crime perception also is amazing in Brazil, and this gap is aggravated by political speech distortions.
I live in the most dangerous town in Colorado, supposedly. It doesn't feel dangerous here, but our crime rate is almost as high as Detroit
Can you leave the state with your front door unlocked swung open and side door and be honest for 3 days and nothing missing?
To me, what’s missing was what people defined as crime. It did mention that some people thought homelessness was a crime but there are cities out there that aren’t reporting robberies or theft unless a certain dollar amount was stolen.
@tetrystI wouldn’t post that statement without knowing when these policies were introduced. Context matters and if that existed for 30 years it won’t have an effect on the statistics. It may be “missing” but doesn’t change the overall trend
Came here to point this out!
Americans are wrong about crime increasing, but the levels we're at now are still pretty appalling when compared to other developed/affluent nations.
My city's top 20 globally in crime index, but if you ask the folks who live here, they'll tell you that it's not so bad. And in one sense they're right; people still work, and love, and life goes on. But in another sense, they're just accustomed to living in one of the most violent cities in the world. And there's a lot of US cities like that.
Americans might be wrong about the details, but they're right in thinking that we could do better.
I think most the issue comes from the fact that a lot of the platforms that exist are almost promising a "return" to lower crime rates; rather than actually doing something to decrease the crime rates we've always had. Crime is decreasing steadily, but since people believe its increasing, they are looking for a return to the past where they *feel* crime was not as bad- when it in fact was much worse.
People in New York see empty shelves and everything behind plexiglass at Walgreens. That doesn't help.
There isn't a supply shortage in new york? there was during covid, but that was the same everywhere
5:11 and there you go. The majority and rise in crime isn't being report/covered in these neighbourhoods of "disadvantage" people. So what people are experiencing isn't what's been shown because of what it might implicate for yourself. Not to say the opposite with fear mongering about crime is honest either. But we need a neutral, honest coverage of crime.
What do you call it when police don't show up to your call to make a report?
Laziness
Unsurprising.
You call that living in the hood. Crime is always higher in the hood becauses of the foundational systemic issues that created the hood.
The result of perception-based public safety policies
But they show up when there is a literal corpse and murder rate has decreased.
The challenge is that people react most to visceral anecdotes, and in any place with a population in the millions, whether crime goes up or down, there will be enough crime every day to fill a segment on the news. So the only way to know is from dry statistics like the FBI data, which are easier to dismiss if people are already predisposed to believing the opposite.
Better help? Disappointed
Why?
I have lived in the same place for over 30 years. NEAR ME, it has increased very much. We never used to have robberies, carjackings, armed catalytic converter thefts, and MURDERS as much as we have now. It used to be mostly in Chicago. NOW it is moving more and more to suburbs like mine.
If crime wasn’t a problem you wouldn’t need to convince people of the fact
@@BuildinWings Ad Hominem, boogeyman doesnt exist, crime does and it's more than confirmable when going to major cities
@@BuildinWings people also believe the covid vaccine to be safe and effective
@@BuildinWings "There is no war in Ba Sing Se"
conflating homelessness with criminality is very telling
I'm not American but from what I have read and observed about Americans, I can guarantee you that race is a significant factor in how most of them feel about homelessness and crime.
@@DesmondKaraniwhat?
@@yulin84
I thought that much was common knowledge.
@@DesmondKarani Homelessness no, crime yes. Specific races commit insanely disproportionate amounts of violent crime
Add to that the fact that social media algorithms feed off of emotional reaction rather than rational reflection and we have the perfect storm for panic.
Trust is on the decline.
Crime statistics are going down because people trust institutions less and the act of reporting a crime is in itself an act of trust in an institution.
This is true. When I experienced violent harassment in a big city I didn't report it. I bet most people don't report crimes. Even calling them to ask if they've ever experienced a crime is really only going to catch the big crimes or recent crimes. I don't want to have to submit paperwork and have my Life Disturbed if nothing's going to come from it.
I agree. Also nowadays police want to see action happening personally and if unfortunately they come after call and situation calmed down, they not going to do literally nothing, and it's if they are good guys. Same with institutions, I can many times hear how my neighbour don't like other nathionaties, my as well, behave weird, but because of law it's almost impossible to get hard evidence that this person is racist.
@@annagalinna8587 : That's because being racist isn't a crime. A crime is something that you do, not something that you are.
Crime stats are going down because states are no longer giving their crime data/stats to FBI and other institutions.... You can look it up. You can look up which states haven't been giving their data/stats..
Crime is underreported because police have been defunded many felonies now treated like traffic tickets People think reporting crime is futile.Making crime legal does not make it go away
13/52
Stats? Change them
Definitions? Change them
Reports? Change them
Calls? Ignore them
See, no crime, ez
all of that and you still believe in what you want to believe and not the facts , idk what will help you then
@@murtadhaAlhusnethere is no war in Ba Sing Se
@@murtadhaAlhusne FACT: the tiananmen square massacre did NOT HAPPEN, if it did, WHY does the state media say OTHERWISE? CHECKMATE MAGATARD
@@murtadhaAlhusne Ironic when you bigots call people "racist" for talking about said facts
@@murtadhaAlhusne the account looks legit. I don’t see any crime there and there’s no crime where I live so it must be true.
Cost of living keeps going up every year. Obviously crime and homelessness will rise.
Most of us have a FEELING that crime is up while not experiencing crime at all. Not themselves nor their neighbors have witnessed or experienced crime.
So I can have a feeling that crime is high, while my own and neighbors experience is very low.
It’s only lower in 2023 because cities stopped reporting to the FBI, why is that statistic not included?
Exactly I legit be seeing people stealing in LES in NYC and have seen people use drugs on the train
Because, it doesnt fit the narrative.
That is false. Crime in NYC for example is down according to the NYPD. People like you that keep fear mongering are part of the perception problem.
Source?
@@JannWanna-ev3bh people who are victims of crime in Oakland and San Francisco have stated they been robbed a few times and have up calling the police.
Wow, Betterhelp, I wasn't expecting an ad for a criminal organization in a video about crime
In America feelings don’t care about your facts
If anything we care too much about feelings and not enough about facts.
That's why they say in my country when they don't want to listen. "You are as blind as an American"
all depends on the local PD and prosecutors. for example here in Detroit police stopped arresting people for many crimes. and prosecutors stopped prosecuting many crimes. so of course "crime rate" is "down" people's feeling is more accurate. one walking in downtown can feel safe/unsafe. many criminals just stopped being arrested here in detroit
Why are you guys working with Better Help?? You've lost some respect here.
@@MrRowskey Honestly why am I not surprised...
They're downplaying crime and you're worried about Betterhelp? Amazing
really like the editing in vox videos generally, but the bit at the beginning with the overlapping news casters stood out to me this episode.
This is what happens when crimes go unreported because they are not investigated. Literally what happened in NY.
Did fox tell you that?
@Chris-rg6nm yeah man fox made Oakland ignore 911
the video does not explain whole sample without considering unreported/victimless crimes. it can be said that it is a successor to a certain political idea and denial of common sense. In any case, the approach of the mayor 08:45 is wisely. we cannot measure the attitudes but feel it. search “Siegel’ public order crime” for more.
Isn't it a fact that certain categories of crimes are not being registered as such?
Yeah
5:06 people care about crime in downtown areas because that might be a place where people go. this isn’t a mismatch,, this a rational and reasonable way to think about crime (ie, how likely am i to be a victim of crime)
i’d also mention that this video did not address the issue as to whether the voluntary reporting of crime is down (to the fbis database)
lastly, you posted this a day after 7 people died, and 70 people were injured in a mass shooting in chicago at a gas station. however, the victims were black, so people like vox don’t care.
I was harassed at Philadelphia subway station, I don’t take subway anymore. I don’t trust stats, I trust myself.
Did you report the harassment?
@@VestaRoleplayIt never happened so they didn't.
@VestaRoleplay For the cops to do nothing?
@ElyonDominus ignoring FBI reporting changes moment
@@longiusaescius2537 Do you have an alternative solution? Or will you just stop living normally to comform to the harassment of others?
You realize people are moving out of San Francisco
so only violent crime count as crime? Robbery and theft don’t count?
If you count crimes against property or resources, you have to include every corporation as a thief and criminal
I used to live in the Avenues neighborhood of Salt Lake City. I did not start getting break in attempts to my ground floor apartment until 2020. It has legitimately getting worse along with the homeless problem since then.
Please don't endorse BetterHelp. Their practices are on a spectrum from unethical to abusive for both the professionals who work with them and those seeking support.
Algo is our friend, but why did crime drop a huge amount in the early 90s? Please add to my tiny list. One, many more cameras near downtown streets and at businesses were installed in the late 80s and early 90s, and two, DNA evidence became admissible in our courtrooms in 1987. News that your DNA could now lead to your conviction gradually spread after 1987; this prompted a lot fewer false accusations as well as cut back on crime.
Again, please add to my list. What else caused this, for instance, halving of our unaliving rate?
democratization of cell phones and rapid improvement in first aid care (we call it SAMU and SMUR in France & Belgium, don't know what's the american equivalent) over the same period as well.
there is no crime citizen. there is nothing to be concerned about
Nothing to see here; please disperse 😂
I love how so much of public discourse is about how "they" don't let the outside opinions happen, when literally the main conversations happening are about whatever the "they" is lol
fear sells, especially when for some odd reason the people most scared live no where near or even go to the areas there scared of and cite in all their talking points
the need to always feel safe being entirely disconnected from whether or not a given person is safe is so wild. I'm an anxious person but at least I know that I project anxiety onto stuff and can try to course correct.
Despite sentencing guidelines which are harsher, and incarceration rates which have been higher, the murder and non-negligent manslaughter rate in Louisiana has been higher than that in any other state over the last 34 straight years according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report. That's true because Louisiana has been tough on crime, but not so tough on murder over that span.
Disappointing choice of sponsor.
Those eyelon musk crypto scams again?
Welcome to reality, where 90% of channels and creators that look to have morals, Will support scams as long as they get paid. Just a bunch of grifters and hipocrites
The same is happening in Germany. While we Europeans like to laugh about America, we are going down the same path.
Social Media and the way media reports is ruining our society
Oh don't worry, we have alot to laugh at you about- your vanishing forests, your refusal to use nuclear power and starting up more and more coal plants, I can go on and on..
@@rrai1999 Yep but to be fair, still going better than the US lol
yeah , stores are just shutting down because of how "safe" things are lol
that's greed tbh. Lose a small percentage of the high profits, leave
myth. retailers admitted to exaggerating the impact of shoplifting on branch closures
I live in Seattle and my brother lives in Portland. Crime is definitely not dropping. We both witness assaults every other weak.
Crime is down because it’s not being counted any more.
They are using media fearmongering about crime to cover up their bad business decisions. The right wing media was flipping out about like three Targets in NYC closing, meanwhile they've been taking the city by storm the past 6-7 years. They just guested wrong on where the gentrification was going to happen.
@@blondie7240you can’t claim this based on two people’s personal accounts. You see that studies are cited in the video right?
This is very gaslighty by people living in ivory towers.
You have local news reporting on various 911 calls going unanswered, ignored or no police showing up for 1 hour.
The statistics are low because there is less police officers and apparatus to capture crime. If you call 911 in Oakland and Chicago, your call will likely go unanswered. If it goes unanswered does it show up in the statistic?
The news lie to you. It seems your the only one in America that hasn't realized.
Gotta say, that intro was absolute FIRE 🔥
Fun fact: El Salvador is considered safer than the US.
For every 100,000 Americans, 363 are in prison. For every 100,000 El Salvadorans, 1,086 are in prison. When more than 1% of your population is in prison, I think that's a bigger problem than a slightly higher violent crime rate.
Rather than having a good grasp of the rate of change, it is more likely respondants are basing their answer off of their expectations. In that sense, the homicde rate is 5-10 times higher than European countries and 3 times higher than Canada just for reference.
Given how developed the country is, 'crime' is faring far worse than some of the other metrics the US is able to produce.
Sure public perception on the rate of change may be wrong, but their recognition on the issue it presents to the country as a whole is not far off if they had been abroad and had any other country for reference against. Not to take away from the video but it is hardly surprising much less relevant how people think about the rate of change of crime, and nothing good will come out of changing that perception unless the intention is to move public support away from 'catching-up' to other developed nations on public/personal safety.
I’ve always hated contradictions when it comes to crime. Just tell me if it’s either actually up or down. So glad this video can give me some closure.
While it may not be enough, it would be nicer if they had to explain this a lot more often to ease their minds (also share it to your friends and family)
It's up and the fbi changes support that
They didn't mention that dem police are not reporting their numbers anymore to help Biden and push this narrative.
3:34 What an amazing graph. It is entirely unsurprising that the US populace as a whole thinks we're in an endless upward spiral of crime whilst the reality is it's dramatically declined almost every year in that graph.
Crime has gone down because you have changed the definition of crime. People also don’t bother to report anymore.
Agreed they don't give you the definition of a violent crime and largely only look at the homicide rates. And found it rather peculiar they didn't mention the fentanyl epidemic when referencing homelessness but did mention a single statement cherrypicked from trump and biden when talking about safety.
1970s-80s: crime was completely normal in the US, people stop caring about it when it's just part of the daily experience. On the other hand, after 30+ years of lower crime rates, the crimes that still get committed warrant more attention (and panic).
@pritapp788 In the 70s the media censored more without the internet in the 80s broken windows started and crime declined
dawg how are you of all people pushing betterhelp? seriously, you should know better
I work in a downtown office that is part of a larger business district. With so many companies and government offices switching to remote or hybrid work, this has generated a lot of vacant leases and a significant drop in daily pedestrians and patrons to local businesses. Not only has this increased visibility of our homeless crisis and abundant drug use that was already there prior to pandemic lockdowns, it has led to an increase in car collisions and cycling accidents because people feel more confident driving at higher speeds when there are fewer people, but still high volumes of vehicular traffic. It's not an increase in crime, it's this void being filled, often by people who see this space as transitory, a place to pass through but not stay in, not interacting with the neighborhood blocks outside the confines of their car. Our city has been trying to devise ways of attracting new people to come to the downtown core, offering more hospitality and personal care services, building new apartment complexes close to major transit hubs, and investing in public goods like a new mid-sized music venue, and a brand new public library and digital archive. We're still a few years away from seeing what that will do for the improvement of our downtown sector, while still needing to address the social and moral failings of substandard care for our most vulnerable - the elderly, the unhoused, the disabled, and the very young. Offering them more opportunities to be seen as integral parts of our city's fabric while ensuring they have reliable access to the services and goods they need will hopefully revitalize my home city.
Why most of the links are displaying: that the page was not found, or some are not on the topic?
8:37
"equating vulnerable people with crime is not correct".... except it is considering homeless people commit significantly more crime than non homeless people, particularly to one another. Don't believe me? i encourage you to go camp out with them in a shelter for a month and let me know how safe it was.
Why are you trying to say they're "vulnerable" as if though they're just poor little puppy dogs who did no wrong. you do realize that a life time of enacting ones own free will is what get's people where they are at any given moment. obviously theres other factors, but i promise you if you want to be strong and never work out it will never happen.
It only counts towards the stats if people report it, no point even reporting thefts, vandalism etc. because it's just ignored.
source: trust me bro
Liberal replies ignore Pittsburgh police literally saying they won't do property crime
@@BuildinWings Complete and utter deflection.
@@topapo3661 It's happening in major cities right now with theft especially...
It would've been great if you connected the crime rate to the poverty rate. Crime almost always goes in line with Poverty and poverty is obviously affected by many things.
Funny how they have a stat showing an 8% increase in violent crime in NYC from 2019 to 2022, but then they go on to say that patrolling the NYC subway is pointless and a waste.
They mentioned that an increase in police presence in the NYC subway was not effective policy since crime is down in that setting already; and policies deserve to be redirected to areas that still have higher crime. Nuance is important.
@captnjd that's a lie though
8:59 It’s literally mentioned in the video that “crime on the subway had ALREADY been on the DECLINE”. So why send the national guard in to police a place where crime is already decreasing?
So you are trying to tell me, that in such a communal place like the NYC Subway, in a city where the crime rate has increased by 8% from 2019 to 2022, that it would serve no purpose to make the NYC subway safer?
I’m not blindly gonna take their word that the “NYC Subway has gotten safer”. Perhaps it has compared to the 70s and 80s, but we need to start comparing to the 2000s.
@@Soviet_Kitty on the decline from a spike of a boom bust cycle that's been ongoing since broken windows ended
8:55 Politics is all about Perception. If people think Crime is rising then Politicians will act upon despite of data saying otherwise. Its pretty simple.
If people dont think Immigration is rising then despite of the numbers presented no one will act upon it.