To clarify on the Beasmaster opening in g1: since reinforced defences were moved to T2 (buff), the AM 1st BeM 2nd is no longer an option (just like DH + BeM on the NE side of matchup). For years this has been the meta with the sheer ammount of piercing damage from high level Water Elementals combined with the high dps of Quillbeast and caster/rifle backup, the Burrows were popping like balloons. AM follow-up on T2 makes a lot of sense on smaller maps and if the enemy doesn't expect such a move it can very quickly escalate into a quick gg from the Orc. In the end, the synergy between AM's aura and the support of supply-free summons is a very good fall-back strategy which can help the HU win if initial harass fails to slow down the Orc.
@@sdparsons They probably 1v1 as Human vs Orc and Orc said "yo I got my Strats from this awesome game and that's how I kicked your ass check it out Infi vs Lyn CC Masters Grand Final 2019"
@@thedeadbaby 1.grubby in the last year of warcraft under blizzard(2010), and his last year, was behind, according to gosugamers elo rating, th(clear leader) lyn moon remind fly infi maybe ted maybe sky so around top-10 2.and almost all of these guys got better after. 3. every single year 2007,08,09.00, lyn have gotten more money 4. half of grubby's success came from eu tournaments. 5.grubby literally never(!) was the best player of the year by money 04-madfrog 05-moon 06-sky 07-moon 08-lyn 09-lyn 00-remind 6. the most important point. skill grew every year, at least up to 2010 and many guys dropped their rank due they hit their ceiling already. happened even with all time greats like sky/grubby whose are clearly 3rd best of their races(with no chance of bein 2nd) at the end of their careers. youtube is full of old videos its not a problem to see crappy skill from 2007 wcg. .. conclusion lyn is by FAR the best orc. fly is second by skill/grubby second by achievements. peak grubby is around modern focus/soin by skill. but grubby is the niciest guy in warcraft and best streamer by far.
@@thedeadbaby 2 options 1. you cant read(at least read most of my points) 2. you have problems with eyes/brain to recognize the level of play/players/games. .. another points to add to my previous post: 1. "over moon", my god. do you know who had the best record vs moon? by far the best? tod. (im SURE you have no clue about players head to head) 2. wcg is NOT THE STRONGEST tournament, wcg is actually pretty weak. bc of regional restrictions.
@@williamblake7386 its your opinion, imo grubby was a the greatest orc strategist, but Lyn always had the best micro, both great players, but Lyn didnt stop and thats why he ia the best orc of ALL times, Just for remember who didnt like to watch Grubby Raiders always killing Undeads bases. Amazing eras
I played and watched WC3 from 2004 (not a lot for a last 2 years honestly), but it was first time in my life, when Blademaster took Illusion for the first one ))
@@mr_metal. Blademaster was a super popular hero back in the time, so I saw a lot of Blademasters on all stages of tournaments. Also I'm big fan of Orc race, so believe me that from 2004 to 2010, I saw this too many time)
Wow I did not expect Infi to lose this, he seemed like he was completely on fire leading up to this. Mad respect to lyn, perfect play and emotion controll facing almost flawless human play.
I like how two fucking wyverns can break a strategy... two damn units and you need straight to recalculate. damn, such a good game, even after all this time. I'm not a big player, but I have never seen another game that would had so balanced races. maybe Starcraft, no surprise -> Blizzard. they knew sth back then
i can't believe there's a tournament for the game this old.... the last time i played this game was about 11 years ago also damn the players look so young i'm 11 years younger than them but i feel like i'm older than them when it comes to looks.
@@elimiller8583 Hm I only get a video from one year ago, I'm don't think that's what they're talking about. But I might still watch it. Thanks for your effort anyway ! :)
BeastMaster Really?? it was the second time I saw BM Illusions in the Game The first time was when I was playing with it for the first time in my life back in 2005
I dont get why human never transitions from elementals to blizzard with a tome of retrain, as the game goes on elementals become useless when there is so much dispell, just you useless and not only that but giving away so much experience. Also in last game, If Infi had though a bit a head he would have done the same just like lyn, while in the middle, send workers to natural mine to expand, I think the reason why lyn is so good is because his understanding of how important heroes are to the game is superior to other players, he enhances the natural abilities of his heroes and race to the maximum and his ability to think one step ahead of every situation. Great game.
I like how Lyn expands in the mid games. He doesn't care whether or not his opponent scouts it and he doesn't need a million towers to defend it. He bases it on power spikes and map control.
@@helicalpuma he is a good player, but consider that towers for human are essencial, since they dont have the high mobility orc has to defend their base and also they don't have the best tier 1 aa units unlike nelf range atack, orc ensnare(t2) or undead web. They have to build one build just to only counter air units, kind of sucks since it is a big investment for just one wyvern that can be switch for a raider in the same building. Lyn is a great player, just in another level.
@@redishdude Do you know why Lyn even build air units in the first place? Because of bullshit op clap that just wrecks every single ground units, with the slow debuff adding it on top of the sorceress slow. Only wyverns stand a chance to kill the caster backline with the scroll of speed. But if Infi expands this might have been an easy 3:0
@@tanzijian8906 lol, op? Orc units have big life pool in adition to spirit link, clap is nothing just add some healing scrolls to counter it, it is far from op as you say, unlike chain lighting shock wave combo, you Just need one combo and take down at least 3 units, now thats called bullshit op spell, at least with clap you have to position your mk in the Middle of everything making it vulnerable to focus while orc Just throws combo from a safe position, not to mention that stupid chain light searches for objectives automatically. Dont fool your self, clap is no big deal specially to orc.
@@redishdudeJoseph lmao, don't you find a loophole in your statement. Yes, orc units have a high health pool but be aware that they are mostly melee units, which means they have to get close to enemy units to do damage, isnt that easy for the mk to just clap clap clap everything to death? 250 gold heal scroll for 150 healing versus clap with 160 damage, yeah sounds just right. And you are comparing two spells to one spell, like really? chain lightning cost 120 mana, Tauren chieftain shock wave cost 100 mana, 220 mana combined just to do the same or even less damage than mk 90 mana clap, not to mention there is archmage unlimited mana regen and blood mage siphon mana. Clap is the biggest threat, especially against orc. Oh and lets not forget those immortals breakers which take 0 damage from spells
@@amai2307 I didn't mean abilities, I meant units.. like humans have spellbreakers, undead destroyers and night elf dryads - all of them are magic immune. But orcs don't have any unit like that, so talking about balance, that may be a point to argue about.. but then again orcs have the most imbalanced heroes, I mean blademaster & shadow hunter is still ridiculously strong.
@@sandro5535 Yeah also always possible. If you werent aware, that concept is called Opportunity cost :) I actually cannot remember the game right now, but I think the purge control of Lyn was insane, and using WE he made him chose his targets. Due to brilliance he can outsustain Lyn in terms of mana. A drained Orc army has nothing on a human army, and an uncontrollerd MK is key in my eyes. But I am just a scrub :D
great casting, but can you guys consider not putting "grand final" in the title? this spoils all of the other games (obviously if he's in the grand final, the most recent game where Infi played Lawliet, Infi must have won). I'd put it in the description. EDIT: Or, leave the player names out and not put their faces in the thumbnail.
how about... Go to the "Back2Warcraft" Channel -> klick "playlist" -> klick "watch all" -> very easy to see all the games in the right order :) if you get "spoiled" by suggested video... its on you to read all those vid titles... you dont have to do it xD
orc is so weak actualy :( u can play 10 times better but casters are a-clicking everything away in combination with summons. if you try to counter that > spellbreaker and gg.
What u need to know about w3 balance is that, to win undead u should take orc, for win orc u should take human, but also if u noob u can loose to orc by human.
I wonder if Neo will ever start talking in complete sentences... "Lyn's choice Conceled Hill." IS!!!!! Lyn's choice IS Conceled Hill! It's not that hard and would stop hurting my ears. I might be overly sensitive because I am German..
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I hate it when Orcs are blue and Humans are red.......
To clarify on the Beasmaster opening in g1: since reinforced defences were moved to T2 (buff), the AM 1st BeM 2nd is no longer an option (just like DH + BeM on the NE side of matchup). For years this has been the meta with the sheer ammount of piercing damage from high level Water Elementals combined with the high dps of Quillbeast and caster/rifle backup, the Burrows were popping like balloons. AM follow-up on T2 makes a lot of sense on smaller maps and if the enemy doesn't expect such a move it can very quickly escalate into a quick gg from the Orc. In the end, the synergy between AM's aura and the support of supply-free summons is a very good fall-back strategy which can help the HU win if initial harass fails to slow down the Orc.
Shout out to the guy who kicked my ass in random 1v1. He brought me here
That was me, no thanks needed :)
That happened to me once some months ago and now I watch Moon's matches.
lol how did he bring you here?
@@sdparsons They probably 1v1 as Human vs Orc and Orc said "yo I got my Strats from this awesome game and that's how I kicked your ass check it out Infi vs Lyn CC Masters Grand Final 2019"
@@meliocurie1809 Hahaha, yes I see - that makes sense, thank you!
"Do you think the summon wolves are the babies of the big wolf?"
"Oh man that's a stressful life for the Farseer's wolf"
I just can't 😂😂😂
Lyn is the greatest Orc of all time.
breaking news
@@thedeadbaby
1.grubby in the last year of warcraft under blizzard(2010), and his last year, was behind, according to gosugamers elo rating,
th(clear leader)
lyn
moon
remind
fly
infi
maybe ted
maybe sky
so around top-10
2.and almost all of these guys got better after.
3. every single year 2007,08,09.00, lyn have gotten more money
4. half of grubby's success came from eu tournaments.
5.grubby literally never(!) was the best player of the year by money
04-madfrog
05-moon
06-sky
07-moon
08-lyn
09-lyn
00-remind
6. the most important point. skill grew every year, at least up to 2010 and many guys dropped their rank due they hit their ceiling already. happened even with all time greats like sky/grubby whose are clearly 3rd best of their races(with no chance of bein 2nd) at the end of their careers.
youtube is full of old videos its not a problem to see crappy skill from 2007 wcg.
..
conclusion
lyn is by FAR the best orc. fly is second by skill/grubby second by achievements.
peak grubby is around modern focus/soin by skill.
but grubby is the niciest guy in warcraft and best streamer by far.
MasterofPlay7 grubby had shortage against human
@@thedeadbaby 2 options
1. you cant read(at least read most of my points)
2. you have problems with eyes/brain to recognize the level of play/players/games.
..
another points to add to my previous post:
1. "over moon", my god.
do you know who had the best record vs moon? by far the best? tod.
(im SURE you have no clue about players head to head)
2. wcg is NOT THE STRONGEST tournament, wcg is actually pretty weak. bc of regional restrictions.
@@williamblake7386 its your opinion, imo grubby was a the greatest orc strategist, but Lyn always had the best micro, both great players, but Lyn didnt stop and thats why he ia the best orc of ALL times, Just for remember who didnt like to watch Grubby Raiders always killing Undeads bases. Amazing eras
This games were crazy good to watch!
a girl les gooo xd joking
I played and watched WC3 from 2004 (not a lot for a last 2 years honestly), but it was first time in my life, when Blademaster took Illusion for the first one ))
how many beastmasters have you seen at this stages of a tournament? :) I mean finals and semi-finals
@@mr_metal. Blademaster was a super popular hero back in the time, so I saw a lot of Blademasters on all stages of tournaments. Also I'm big fan of Orc race, so believe me that from 2004 to 2010, I saw this too many time)
Wow I did not expect Infi to lose this, he seemed like he was completely on fire leading up to this. Mad respect to lyn, perfect play and emotion controll facing almost flawless human play.
why didnt he expand?
I am always for my main race Human. But lyn just played awesome GG
German Player？
I like the 2 wyvern play. If the human has to go aviary or rifles then that means less OP breakers.
yeah and if they dont you can just build more :D
I like how two fucking wyverns can break a strategy... two damn units and you need straight to recalculate. damn, such a good game, even after all this time. I'm not a big player, but I have never seen another game that would had so balanced races. maybe Starcraft, no surprise -> Blizzard. they knew sth back then
Infi played super well the bm
I really don’t think he had that first game but he managed to pull it off
And people say that late game HU cannot be dealt with as an Orc.
2:37
B B B Beast Master?
Lyn in this form, I haven't seen it yet, Infi also crushes the system
Lyn is the best ORC player of Warcraft 3✌️
love your channel and wc3 watching every video even while gaming myself i let videos play and listen to you.
Out of your mind AND speechless, Neo?
Hell yeah, brother.
That one peon: you shall not pass!!!
grand final cast mit fettigen burger king kartons im hintergrund :D
Wow all great games, but that last one! Incredible
Can someone tell me why Infi goes for fast expand against ne and ud in many games I've seen but does not do so here?
Everytime orc expanded first
Outstanding game 4
This must be before they nerfed human into Oblivion
China in Red, Korea in Blue. It was meant to be. :)
Red Socialist vs. Blue Capitalist
how is chosing beastmaster laming? if anything he put himself on a disadvantage...
i can't believe there's a tournament for the game this old.... the last time i played this game was about 11 years ago
also damn the players look so young i'm 11 years younger than them but i feel like i'm older than them when it comes to looks.
What was that final between Happy and Foggy they've mentioned? (1:43:35)
well I put in the search bar "happy foggy final" for you, and it's GERA 140
@@elimiller8583 Hm I only get a video from one year ago, I'm don't think that's what they're talking about. But I might still watch it. Thanks for your effort anyway ! :)
Honestly they should have just handed infi the trophy after the first game, he completed an online game
back2warcraft luv ya!
LYN GOD
Isn't it ironic that units inside enemy kodos has vision? Is there a peekhole somewhere?
We all know this hole, you're talking 'bout=D
absolute beast.
Lyn crazy!!!!!
Good games. Lyn and infi are crazy good
How is dozen throne compared to reforged
gg and good casting
Why they dont upgrade their units?
why he doesnt expand?
The better an orc player is, the less I feel trolls matters in the Horde. Definitely needs buff on troll units~
Infi in 1st game: hey casters shut up....
BeastMaster Really??
it was the second time I saw BM Illusions in the Game The first time was when I was playing with it for the first time in my life back in 2005
beast master for the win ! :D
FOR THE HORDE
LOOLL PPPPPBeastmaster ??
not the best finals. infi's micro in a last couple of games was not good.
great tournament anyway. we need more of that and maybe less qualifiers.
I dont get why human never transitions from elementals to blizzard with a tome of retrain, as the game goes on elementals become useless when there is so much dispell, just you useless and not only that but giving away so much experience. Also in last game, If Infi had though a bit a head he would have done the same just like lyn, while in the middle, send workers to natural mine to expand, I think the reason why lyn is so good is because his understanding of how important heroes are to the game is superior to other players, he enhances the natural abilities of his heroes and race to the maximum and his ability to think one step ahead of every situation. Great game.
I like how Lyn expands in the mid games. He doesn't care whether or not his opponent scouts it and he doesn't need a million towers to defend it. He bases it on power spikes and map control.
@@helicalpuma he is a good player, but consider that towers for human are essencial, since they dont have the high mobility orc has to defend their base and also they don't have the best tier 1 aa units unlike nelf range atack, orc ensnare(t2) or undead web. They have to build one build just to only counter air units, kind of sucks since it is a big investment for just one wyvern that can be switch for a raider in the same building.
Lyn is a great player, just in another level.
@@redishdude Do you know why Lyn even build air units in the first place? Because of bullshit op clap that just wrecks every single ground units, with the slow debuff adding it on top of the sorceress slow. Only wyverns stand a chance to kill the caster backline with the scroll of speed. But if Infi expands this might have been an easy 3:0
@@tanzijian8906 lol, op? Orc units have big life pool in adition to spirit link, clap is nothing just add some healing scrolls to counter it, it is far from op as you say, unlike chain lighting shock wave combo, you Just need one combo and take down at least 3 units, now thats called bullshit op spell, at least with clap you have to position your mk in the Middle of everything making it vulnerable to focus while orc Just throws combo from a safe position, not to mention that stupid chain light searches for objectives automatically. Dont fool your self, clap is no big deal specially to orc.
@@redishdudeJoseph lmao, don't you find a loophole in your statement. Yes, orc units have a high health pool but be aware that they are mostly melee units, which means they have to get close to enemy units to do damage, isnt that easy for the mk to just clap clap clap everything to death? 250 gold heal scroll for 150 healing versus clap with 160 damage, yeah sounds just right. And you are comparing two spells to one spell, like really? chain lightning cost 120 mana, Tauren chieftain shock wave cost 100 mana, 220 mana combined just to do the same or even less damage than mk 90 mana clap, not to mention there is archmage unlimited mana regen and blood mage siphon mana. Clap is the biggest threat, especially against orc. Oh and lets not forget those immortals breakers which take 0 damage from spells
Endless Lyn
I hate to cry about balance but gg human brakers against orcs
I just noticed that orc is the only race without a magic immune unit, or did I miss something?
@@amai2307 I didn't mean abilities, I meant units.. like humans have spellbreakers, undead destroyers and night elf dryads - all of them are magic immune. But orcs don't have any unit like that, so talking about balance, that may be a point to argue about.. but then again orcs have the most imbalanced heroes, I mean blademaster & shadow hunter is still ridiculously strong.
@@Fenixias spirit walkers?
A game where the orc expanded and the human didn't???
RIP idiot human
1:00:59 did I hear TH? haha
why isnˋt infi switching to blizzard? those WEs...so bad
ManOfDoodle don’t forget that every purge on a WE is a purge not hitting mk, am or valuable units
@@Yannick999993 Tome of retraining costs 300 gold if I recall. Maybe he wanted another unit/item instead?
@@sandro5535 Yeah also always possible. If you werent aware, that concept is called Opportunity cost :) I actually cannot remember the game right now, but I think the purge control of Lyn was insane, and using WE he made him chose his targets. Due to brilliance he can outsustain Lyn in terms of mana. A drained Orc army has nothing on a human army, and an uncontrollerd MK is key in my eyes. But I am just a scrub :D
great casting, but can you guys consider not putting "grand final" in the title? this spoils all of the other games (obviously if he's in the grand final, the most recent game where Infi played Lawliet, Infi must have won).
I'd put it in the description.
EDIT: Or, leave the player names out and not put their faces in the thumbnail.
Nope. Player names give clicks, so no.
Man, It's the grand final, what do you expect, lol. Any grand final has ti be named, Like soccer, bascketball, any competition.
how about... Go to the "Back2Warcraft" Channel -> klick "playlist" -> klick "watch all" -> very easy to see all the games in the right order :) if you get "spoiled" by suggested video... its on you to read all those vid titles... you dont have to do it xD
go to their twitch channel, you can watch the entire stream there without spoilers, just don't go to this yt channel!
Why are Koreans always the best in warcraft and starcraft?
Happy is up there too I think.
fountain of health imbalanced
这两兄弟长得越来越像了
an orc winning something in 2019? Pog
I really doesn't understood the rules
easy game
luck round 3
orc is so weak actualy :( u can play 10 times better but casters are a-clicking everything away in combination with summons. if you try to counter that > spellbreaker and gg.
Commentators know nothing love how he beat him first game and they were talking all this sh t awesome. 🤪
TC carrying, wyverns are joke
ORC WEAK BTW
ORC WEAK BTW
ORC WEAK BTW
What u need to know about w3 balance is that, to win undead u should take orc, for win orc u should take human, but also if u noob u can loose to orc by human.
so infi is noob, lmao u orcs are biggest retards in game proven time after time, if infi played ne or mirror he could win easier
omg,big noobs
I wonder if Neo will ever start talking in complete sentences... "Lyn's choice Conceled Hill." IS!!!!! Lyn's choice IS Conceled Hill!
It's not that hard and would stop hurting my ears. I might be overly sensitive because I am German..
Good game bad commentary :(
My advice is to thrust rusty forks down your ears. You are welcome!
@@ruikkari4408 i wanted to do that my friend...believe me, but instead i muted the video and turned on some music :D
Game 10/10
Commentary 11/10
ashbringer comment 0/10
@@allydea i doubt it...a butthole as a guest?
Some people are so incredibly ungrateful and entitled...
Infi красавчик❤❤❤