Moon made a few adjustments Foggy never did: Boots on DH. Focus statues, Harass UD creeping with KOTG. Run around the map more to keep Happy occupied. Late game switch to lores or 2nd expo.
Bang on! Foggy seemingly gave up on finesse completely and only seem to grind micro and mechanics, trying to improve his builds (with moderate success, to put it mildly). He's become unbearably predictable with his movements and decision making, also not learning much from his past mistakes - small, but tremendously impactful ones, if your opponent is Happy. This is (imho) what separates the absolute top-tier players, like Moon and Lyn from everyone else. When Moon identified the Garg switch in G5 and adjusted to it in a heartbeat, it was a spark of true genius on his part. The mana burns on statues were pretty much always there too, and shop control is also something that you simply can't forget about against Happy. Moon and Lyn both learned this, and their recent results reflect that.
also, something ppl don't notice is how moon runs away with his heroes in opposite directions whenever they are focused, which makes it very difficult for the undead to catch them and forces the army into a sub-optimal position
Yeah honestly watching Foggy play recently I feel like he's just going through the motions, doesn't really care about the game. I get it tbh, he's been grinding war3 for a long time and played countless games, but those small finesses are what separate the absolute best like Moon, Happy, Infi and the likes.
He did it - he actually beat Happy strategically and not by some fluke. Excellent army movement, decision making, patience, and almost equally good Hero management. The engagements were the real highlight here.
@@rocco6425 Mate, at that level of play, it's almost like and advert for a must-watch. Happy's results have been so humorously one-sided, that him loosing fair and square makes it only more interesting to watch.
Moon will always be my fav. He beat the likes of Th000, Fly, Grubby and Infi at their very best in the mid 00's and STILL remains the obstacle even (arguably) the best player of the modern W3 era can't overcome! Truly special!
Fantastic performance once again by Moon with a fantastic decision making. However, I would love to see more often chimaeras, especially in building race context.
chims are quite weak vs fiends unless you get 6. thats not very viable in most 1vs1 games. Foggy has used them in like 2% of his games but you need to surprise your opponent. its not like Happy is a bad scouter.
@Taba luga You are right. However, maybe It would be viable only in a long term game with armies of 80 pop, renouncing to have a more competitive army in exchange of more destructive power on buildings
very good war here. finally someone starting to use dh as it should be. dry heroes is a key to victory over undead. no matter the skill, if u cant nuke - u lose 30% army dps. that is formidable. its amazing that even with such disadvantage, ud managed to represent considerable danger. elf was not sure of victory gain even with 2 expo. elfs micro was second to none, especially cruicial staff saves. that was intense
thanks for the great casting! i really enjoy the video a lot more because of it, very helpful descriptions on whos winning and whos lagging behind. THANK YOU!
I haven't had the time to watch much recently I still donate my prime token to you guys each month. I really enjoyed these games! I wish you'd do a replay of the month or update the best games ever section once in a while for us casual viewers :)
just curious, could they drop their intel items (intel adds mana in this correct?) THEN use the moonwells to replenish, then put the items back on? thus in effect gaining more mana
@@Back2Warcraft so any reason why the best players in the world are not doing that when mana is so important? also, enemy has ZERO anti air or VERY little like one or two net spiders, why not just keep pressuring his army and picking him off / pressuring his heroes and staying further away with your heroes so they aren't in danger ok he just started doing it.. nvm
It took 2 losses and 1 losing match for happy to realize he could've mass gargs against mass fairies if Moon didn't pick panda 2nd Nevertheless, fairies feel quite strong, it feels like zerkers for orc but better. Can fly and can shift to be anti-caster for even protection when focused down. The only downside is, NE doesn't get access to superior Orc salves and SH, only rely on moon well which sucks hard when fairies also take it for their mana too
Finally, this is like moon is intentionally let Happy killing everyone from this tournament just so he could rise from the flame & let happy bow to him😅
Game 4 Moon had sooo much gold for such a long time :( And 2 hunter's halls with onbly one upgrading (queueing several upgrades on only 1 hall) Great cast! Exciting games
♥ First Game - Best Pro GAME EVER!!! ♥ Moon U PRO Happy U PRO This teleportation staff and heal balance is up to others lig players ! :D (Please Grubby go to new Tournament too, he is too U PRO Orc player) ♥♥♥ :)
Man, honestly, i have to give it to happy that he is a great player, lots of respect for him, but DAYUM DOES IT FEEL GOOD TO SEE HIM LOOSE!!! WOOOOOOOW, SO GOOOOOOD MAAAAAAAAAN I HAVENT SEEN HIM LOSE IN SUCH A LONG TIME, HE LOOOOOSE AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Dark ranger could silence demon hunter for a bit, but there would be no skeletons out of fairies. I wonder how good would panda be as the third hero for ud against fairies.
Panda would be more of a liability, my guess is that it’ll be targetted a lot and you can’t coil to heal it which is very problematic, plus its melee so it can’t keep its distance like a naga can
@@jensclarberg6419 I'm not sure whose point are you refeering to right now, TrustyFoe is right, but DialetcticChaos is not, he "wonders how good would panda be as the third hero for ud against fairies", which can only imply that he is thinking about maybe using Breath of Fire against fairies. Which means he probably forgot they're magic immune. If Pit Lord's Cleave worked against air, it might be good. This way, UD in most cases must cancel expo, or it's gg.
Game 4, Moon waited 2 minutes at the end with 40 supply and doing nothin on a base and logicly lost. He gifted the game to Happy. Paid for it? How much?
@@Samuel-wq9dt No, I don't usually read the comments while or before I watch a video, but I opened this video on my phone and on the youtube app you can see the first 2 lines of the comment column after opening it. Here I was spoiled directly without even having pressed play. I think it's unfair to tell others the outcome of whatever. I think you can probably agree with me here too. ;)
UD hero leveles have a tremendous power spike early, but fall off drastically after 5. With NE it's basically the opposite - UD ults suck, NE ults are near auto win. That's why Happy is willing to share xp with a 3rd hero after his DK and Lich comfortably reach at least 3 and 2, whereas any NE will generally aim for 5-6 optimally, so a 3rd hero would only get in the way.
@@luckylarry71 that is objectively false reasoning. Maybe Lawliet tries to aim for Warden 6 or Demon 6 sometimes to pull out his occasional miracle win against Happy but out of all 5 games Moon didn't hit level 6 on either hero once so what you're saying is just absolutely and objectively untrue and absurd. Nelf ults are certainly excellent but you'd never give up an advantage that could help defend your expansion, win fights, push the enemy expo, etc for a super, super late game win condition that very rarely even pays off before the game is decided. Much, much more likely it is because any third hero would get focused and killed way too easily with coil nova and be more of a liability taking away moon well mana, invuls, and staffs back to base away from the DH. I mean who would you even pick up third? Panda to counter gargs? Well you'd need level 3 at least which is virtually impossible when you also need DH three asap. And something like potm or naga would get killed by DK and Lich just blinking at them.
Useless risky harasses by solo DH / Keeper is so pretty stupid by Moon , maybe in ladder it should have worked but against such opponent is really silly and worth a game
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Moon made a few adjustments Foggy never did: Boots on DH. Focus statues, Harass UD creeping with KOTG. Run around the map more to keep Happy occupied. Late game switch to lores or 2nd expo.
and played with 2 hands. Sorry, but foggy do too much mechanical mistakes like losing ~10 limit per game on rallypoints.
Bang on! Foggy seemingly gave up on finesse completely and only seem to grind micro and mechanics, trying to improve his builds (with moderate success, to put it mildly). He's become unbearably predictable with his movements and decision making, also not learning much from his past mistakes - small, but tremendously impactful ones, if your opponent is Happy.
This is (imho) what separates the absolute top-tier players, like Moon and Lyn from everyone else. When Moon identified the Garg switch in G5 and adjusted to it in a heartbeat, it was a spark of true genius on his part. The mana burns on statues were pretty much always there too, and shop control is also something that you simply can't forget about against Happy. Moon and Lyn both learned this, and their recent results reflect that.
also, something ppl don't notice is how moon runs away with his heroes in opposite directions whenever they are focused, which makes it very difficult for the undead to catch them and forces the army into a sub-optimal position
Yeah honestly watching Foggy play recently I feel like he's just going through the motions, doesn't really care about the game. I get it tbh, he's been grinding war3 for a long time and played countless games, but those small finesses are what separate the absolute best like Moon, Happy, Infi and the likes.
Moon plays as Sun Zu, happy plays as Clausewitz, they are both two great players , moon is more on strategy and happy is more on micro
Two best players of all time together! What a treat! Wow!
Absoluetly agree with that statement
Just came back to Warcraft since playing when it released all those years ago. Love this channel and thanks for bringing it alive again! Keep it up.
Just great match. Great players. Great performance from both. It is like to watch Ronaldo and Mesi. Just magnificent!!
I agree! Two of the best, and unique. Moon is Messi, Happy is Ronaldo.
Moon is like R9 or Zidane, but somehow hes still be able to hang around with Cr7 and M10...
The WC3 greatest of all times.
He did it - he actually beat Happy strategically and not by some fluke. Excellent army movement, decision making, patience, and almost equally good Hero management. The engagements were the real highlight here.
SPOILER
@@rocco6425 Mate, at that level of play, it's almost like and advert for a must-watch. Happy's results have been so humorously one-sided, that him loosing fair and square makes it only more interesting to watch.
thanks for the spolier
I appreciate Happy being a machine, but I always root for Moon, and this was so satisfying
Moon's positioning is ridiculously good.
Wow. Incredible Match, Incredible Casting! Definitely great to see a player like Moon still be around and win finals at the highest level.
Moon will always be my fav. He beat the likes of Th000, Fly, Grubby and Infi at their very best in the mid 00's and STILL remains the obstacle even (arguably) the best player of the modern W3 era can't overcome! Truly special!
Fantastic performance once again by Moon with a fantastic decision making.
However, I would love to see more often chimaeras, especially in building race context.
He's making the best use of the fairy dragons meta. I wonder what's his plan once Happy figures out a way to beat it
True. Surely Moon will find a solution again. He is the great genius of this game
chims are quite weak vs fiends unless you get 6. thats not very viable in most 1vs1 games. Foggy has used them in like 2% of his games but you need to surprise your opponent. its not like Happy is a bad scouter.
@Taba luga You are right. However, maybe It would be viable only in a long term game with armies of 80 pop, renouncing to have a more competitive army in exchange of more destructive power on buildings
@@krissloo143 ele terá que se superar novamente. Para mim ele é o melhor jogador da história de NE.
Haven't played the game for like 10 years but still enjoy watching these two legends compete.
Incredible plays by Moon!! The Old Emperor showing the New Emperor that the latter is not perfect yet
Ne never will be :)
hmm there where huge ping differences
Great. Everyone is an emperor now
@@mir3877 no, only Happy is emperor
So many clutch moments, I don't want to spoil, just watch it - this is Warcraft 3 at the highest possible level. Great casting too!
Phenomenal match, fantastic play from both, had me sweating to the last minute!! Love the commentary, too. Thanks for putting this up, Back2Warcraft.
that mass fearie strat is paying out and i noticed only he goes for it recently vs happy.
very good war here. finally someone starting to use dh as it should be. dry heroes is a key to victory over undead. no matter the skill, if u cant nuke - u lose 30% army dps. that is formidable. its amazing that even with such disadvantage, ud managed to represent considerable danger. elf was not sure of victory gain even with 2 expo. elfs micro was second to none, especially cruicial staff saves. that was intense
Moon so many good decisions, to win vs UD is so impressive!
Easily one of the best matches in a long time
10/10 Moon best!!!
I think I'm more happy for Moon that he won than he is
thanks for the great casting! i really enjoy the video a lot more because of it, very helpful descriptions on whos winning and whos lagging behind. THANK YOU!
I was rooting so hard for Moon. Both are great players.
40:30 its ok . i'd listen to you cast a slide show
That Naga with boots + attack speed, damn.
Delighted at the result!!!!
Ofc everyone from the western world cheered for Moon with the caster of this video also.
I haven't had the time to watch much recently I still donate my prime token to you guys each month. I really enjoyed these games!
I wish you'd do a replay of the month or update the best games ever section once in a while for us casual viewers :)
thx for the great casting, amazing match. still love this game above all💪
It's happy for long to see an Elf can win invisible Happy.
Invincible*
@@4bafiafzil999 how do you even correct such a poorly written sentence?
What a game. Both players are kicking it. Nicely done!
Moon is a beast!
Moon and NE are my favorites. Just legendary play!
Great series and fantastic caster too
Would want to see him cast SC2
Would of love to see these 2 play in lan.
37:30 or so big missed opportunity, you should call it MOONouvering!
In this particular overlay I dislike that you can barely the day/night time. Would it be possible to make it more visible?
You can, indicated by yellow / purple bars at 12 o clock between the score
@@Back2Warcraft Thank you for your answer! Yeah it is there, it's quite small though.
Hey, why did happy build the second acropolis in the first match?
These little armies are terrifying
just curious, could they drop their intel items (intel adds mana in this correct?) THEN use the moonwells to replenish, then put the items back on? thus in effect gaining more mana
Yes :)
@@Back2Warcraft so any reason why the best players in the world are not doing that when mana is so important?
also, enemy has ZERO anti air or VERY little like one or two net spiders, why not just keep pressuring his army and picking him off / pressuring his heroes and staying further away with your heroes so they aren't in danger
ok he just started doing it.. nvm
Why do people not play with the reformed graphics on? Grubby does this too and it drives me nuts is there any particular reason for it?
Sick game. Finally Moon beats Happie
I got a question can you download this on laptop or not
Finally, life defeated death (well, in the sense - the tree of life defeated the death knight :)
Последний гейм, последняя 3 минутка это Мун прочёл. Через 3 барака гипосов. Круто
Também notei ele investigando.
Why did Happy have a Black Citadel and a Necropolis ?
why does happie build an additional nexus in his base?
Wow, I am so happy for Moon! The OG still got it.
it's never the end of the world for undead
i still dont get why you should build a 2nd necropolis in your main
because of wood shortage because you use 1st ghoul to harass not lumber gathering. Or to be able to build acolytes while upgrading. Or both.
Saves lumber at the start. U can rebuild acolytes when tech and opponent is harassing.
are we gonna buff ud now?
Nah, let's just delete it altogether
Wow such an aggressive overlay so I can't see the abilities of the heros. Nice.
I'm collecting matches into a playlist. All the ones where Happy loses.
What year is it ??!!?
Grande Moon con un excelente juego...
It took 2 losses and 1 losing match for happy to realize he could've mass gargs against mass fairies if Moon didn't pick panda 2nd
Nevertheless, fairies feel quite strong, it feels like zerkers for orc but better. Can fly and can shift to be anti-caster for even protection when focused down. The only downside is, NE doesn't get access to superior Orc salves and SH, only rely on moon well which sucks hard when fairies also take it for their mana too
why have 2 necropolis?
Oh my WHAT A FINAL
can someone please explain why ud builds an extra necropolis in main base?? like in the first game
to prevent KoG from killing aco while upgrading the main necropolis
Finally, this is like moon is intentionally let Happy killing everyone from this tournament just so he could rise from the flame & let happy bow to him😅
Does anyone know why the 2nd necropolis on game one ?
Yes. It saves wood.
Да
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Happy and Goldmine is not working all time, all year :D
Why?
Unbelievable games!!!
Game 4 Moon had sooo much gold for such a long time :(
And 2 hunter's halls with onbly one upgrading (queueing several upgrades on only 1 hall)
Great cast! Exciting games
KEEP IT COMING!!!
At 16:32 thinking to myself :
Just mana burn the Naga, then run - would've saved the DH
kill the gun that is slowing you down
Moon's truly the best wc3 player of all times
who is ranked above happy?
How do you fake coil
Why do they stop the game when the heroes are still not 6, and the houses are not destroyed?
Реально сильная стратегия эльфа против андеда.фаст эксп и дракончики с гипогрифами
Very cool to watch
NE best game is to ambush in my opinion. Hence the shadow meld
Is this reforgeD?
Please fix the avatar problem. I am used to it . And thank you
♥ First Game - Best Pro GAME EVER!!! ♥
Moon U PRO
Happy U PRO
This teleportation staff and heal balance is up to others lig players ! :D
(Please Grubby go to new Tournament too, he is too U PRO Orc player) ♥♥♥ :)
Wow, just amazing
How is that fair that the demon hunter can staff heal up and staff right back
Why are they not using Reforged graphics?
Logical answers only. "Cuz reforged sucks" doesn't count.
Man, honestly, i have to give it to happy that he is a great player, lots of respect for him, but DAYUM DOES IT FEEL GOOD TO SEE HIM LOOSE!!! WOOOOOOOW, SO GOOOOOOD MAAAAAAAAAN I HAVENT SEEN HIM LOSE IN SUCH A LONG TIME, HE LOOOOOSE AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Dark ranger could silence demon hunter for a bit, but there would be no skeletons out of fairies. I wonder how good would panda be as the third hero for ud against fairies.
Panda would be more of a liability, my guess is that it’ll be targetted a lot and you can’t coil to heal it which is very problematic, plus its melee so it can’t keep its distance like a naga can
Dude, wtf, faeries are magic immune :D
@@millancche Wasn't that his point?
@@jensclarberg6419 I'm not sure whose point are you refeering to right now, TrustyFoe is right, but DialetcticChaos is not, he "wonders how good would panda be as the third hero for ud against fairies", which can only imply that he is thinking about maybe using Breath of Fire against fairies. Which means he probably forgot they're magic immune. If Pit Lord's Cleave worked against air, it might be good. This way, UD in most cases must cancel expo, or it's gg.
@@millancche Maybe Alchemist would be a decent third for UD against fairies. Wth Rage and Acid-bomb.
A whole tournament, and we never got to see a Demon Humter use his ultimate.
What the heck ?
Quitting prematurely all the time ?
Game 4, Moon waited 2 minutes at the end with 40 supply and doing nothin on a base and logicly lost. He gifted the game to Happy. Paid for it? How much?
And he collected 1300 gold.
Against spoilers in the comments!
Great games. Really exciting until the end!
u read comments before watching the game? lmao
@@Samuel-wq9dt No, I don't usually read the comments while or before I watch a video, but I opened this video on my phone and on the youtube app you can see the first 2 lines of the comment column after opening it. Here I was spoiled directly without even having pressed play.
I think it's unfair to tell others the outcome of whatever.
I think you can probably agree with me here too. ;)
@@Zombieopa yeah, that sucks. Have to keep eyes off those 2 lines then :)
why is happy alltime playing with 3 heroes and the other (Moon/lawliet etc...) just 2?
its meta for NE?
3rd hero too easy to focus and kill. i guess they could go DR but destros own it or pitlord but only good high level.
UD hero leveles have a tremendous power spike early, but fall off drastically after 5. With NE it's basically the opposite - UD ults suck, NE ults are near auto win. That's why Happy is willing to share xp with a 3rd hero after his DK and Lich comfortably reach at least 3 and 2, whereas any NE will generally aim for 5-6 optimally, so a 3rd hero would only get in the way.
@@luckylarry71 yes and no at 5 5 they are pretty damn strong. only with great dh micro this is not the case.
Just 3 heroes meta is worse than 2 when VS UD
@@luckylarry71 that is objectively false reasoning. Maybe Lawliet tries to aim for Warden 6 or Demon 6 sometimes to pull out his occasional miracle win against Happy but out of all 5 games Moon didn't hit level 6 on either hero once so what you're saying is just absolutely and objectively untrue and absurd. Nelf ults are certainly excellent but you'd never give up an advantage that could help defend your expansion, win fights, push the enemy expo, etc for a super, super late game win condition that very rarely even pays off before the game is decided.
Much, much more likely it is because any third hero would get focused and killed way too easily with coil nova and be more of a liability taking away moon well mana, invuls, and staffs back to base away from the DH.
I mean who would you even pick up third? Panda to counter gargs? Well you'd need level 3 at least which is virtually impossible when you also need DH three asap. And something like potm or naga would get killed by DK and Lich just blinking at them.
OH MY GOODNESS! DAMN!
5th race still be different
Moon isnt a legend. He´s the 5th race
I love you Remo
Go away, I love him more than you!
I love Remo and Neo more 😃 no homo
잘했어!
gg GREAT BO !
If Moon doesn't make mistakes happy loses!
Es un genio happy ♥️
Genius won the inbalanced mediocre abuser. I think all goes like it should be
Now yall can stop complaining it's unwinnable.
why do we neglect the fact that soin beat happy in a tournament LOL
I think he was the last one to do on so in a “fair” tourney (not huge ping difference, Happy playing UD)
Because Happy has smoked him over and over since then?
Not something new, i think lyn,120, 15sui, lawliet, fly etc did it
Moon is back !!!
Awesome. Nice to see Happy finally lose!
Useless risky harasses by solo DH / Keeper is so pretty stupid by Moon , maybe in ladder it should have worked but against such opponent is really silly and worth a game
Хеппи ты лучший, муну перло и чето немного оп ельфы эти