Kissinger: On Laughing At Dead People
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2023
- Why We Loved Kissinger’s Death
Famous people usually get treated pretty generously when they die. Unless they’re named Henry Kissinger. His recent death was met with social media jubilance, and a refusal to accept polite media’s sugar coating of the diplomat’s blood-stained legacy. So what made Kissinger different? And is it a moral failing to laugh at someone else’s earthly demise? Let’s find out in this video: Is it OK to Laugh at Henry Kissinger’s Death?
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How do you hope that people make fun of you after you die?
Feel free to roast your future dead self in the comments.
Honestly I really don't care. I won't be here
I suspect that I will be ironically lamented as a tragic case for doing nothing but living a quiet unassuming life with my wife, smoking weed and playing video games, even though living a humble life, smoking weed and playing video games with my soul mate has been my life' passion and I will die one of the few happy human beings that I have ever encountered.
"He was a lot who had very little and did very little with his lot."
I hope that after I'm gone, thoughts of me bring laughter.
No one is immune from ridicule, satire and comedy.
Put my body on a chair and roast me for 49 days while partying the whole time
My favorite "Eulogy" about Kissinger's death was from an history teacher: "Kissinger arrived in hell, and already plans a coup d'etat on Satan."
My favorite Eulogies have been for Thatcher when they were talking about her funeral costs "For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan in person." Also someone said it would be the first 21 gun salute where they shoot the coffin
Thats awesome.
What an apt and hilarious eulogy 👌🏾
That is South Park The Movie and it is Saddam Hussein.
The reason he took so long to die is that Satan was trying to put off their inevitable square-off
If people celebrate your death it's called consequences of your actions
many ppl celebrate others death who did nothing wrong
is it their fault?
@@mohammedyousef7d650yes
@@mohammedyousef7d650 Have to agree here. Many Americans are celebrating Palestinian deaths, and many bigots celebrate the deaths of minorities.
"Celebrating death" is not an automatic sign that said person was bad.
Exactly. Being non-alive doesn't forgive what you did while you were alive.
NAh, not necessarily. There's far too many people who believe that "thinking the right things" makes them moral and that absolves them of any actions that would otherwise be deemed amoral. If you're celebrating someone's death, then you're probably not a good person either.
I already forgot that Kissinger died. Thanks for the reminder. It put a smile on my face.
Happy to give you a reason to smile.
Yup well said. I like to forget about him too
Lmfao 😂
Ohh, my this means you're a very bad person. Not likely anywhere near as bad as I am though.../s
I had forgotten about HW Bush.
The platitude of "Don't speak ill of the dead" is best rebutted with "Don't be a prick while you're alive."
Kissinger went beyond being a prick. He was one of the closest things to a monster that actually exists.
@@justinwatson1510Absolutely. One must ask themselves why our ruling class loved him so much; but I think we all know.
It’s tacky, can’t assume you are a role model to anyone if you hold “justified” resentments. There are things called grace, mercy, and forgiveness that are more virtuous than condemnation.
@@edwardmitchellrealty4327 Fuck off, dude. Kissinger is responsible for an incomprehensible amount of death and suffering, and your finger-wagging about people not pretending that he wasn't a monster is gross. I hope you are Evangelical, because it's Christians like you that helped turn me into an atheist.
@@edwardmitchellrealty4327 So I may have been a little extreme in my last comment. Christians with attitudes like yours only helped provide motivation to further study the Bible and history of Christianity. Seeing what an absolute monster Yhvh was is ultimately what caused me to become an atheist.
The rewriting of history around Reagan is one of the most nefarious things I think the ruling class has done to solidify their rule.
Effin cultish statues, all sorts of the usual features here...
This. It really cannot be overstated just how terrible a president Reagan was. Pretty much every problem and setback we face now can be traced back to him.
@@HylianFox3its almost impressive how many problems he created. It is even more impressive that people somehow still think trickle down economics works in any capacity
He lost a shitton of gun rights and signed the DREAM act, how tf did this guy become a Republican icon?
He convinced people it was poor people who were screwing up the economy
Laughing at dead billionaires should not be taken away from the rest of us
especially if they took a few fellow million/billionaires with them in a toy submarine lol
@@hitachicordoba i like to call that the Peoples W
MAybe the Teen could have been the next Peter Kropotkin in another dimension, tragedy@@hitachicordoba
Youre a poor westerner, we get it.
@@Tacom4stermaybe he survived in that dimension, then, but he wasn't like that in this one, and he didn't survive in this one either.
List of Kissinger’s positive qualities:
He’s dead.
We wouldn’t have Killinger from Venture Bros w/o him.
I confirm he was excellent in Venture Bros (which was awesome 😎)
And his Magical Murder Bag!!!
I watched every Killinger clip when he died.
"You silly billy"
3 he was very good at his job
The most positive thing about Henry Kissinger is that he's finally achieved a "0 Carbon footprint"
This is beautiful.
Not true, his corpse will decompose and ad to that, also if he is cremated it's gonna be worse.
This doesn't hit because his evils were not about global warming, but about global war.
@@Dayvit78tbf global war isnt great for the planet either
Positive of Kissinger: he was a visionary
Stipulation: it was a terrible vision
The fact that people will wag their finger at you for celebrating the death of Henry Kissinger is insane.
Hey, I got lombasted for joking about the other end with Fienstein and ginsburg and such too. Gotta be equal in your criticisms lol. Atleast I get it no matter what dark ass joke i tell I guess.
@@theaychgeewell you see you little dipshit, kissinger unlike those people is a literal war criminal and perpetrator of crimes against humanity. might as well say hitler and gandhi are the same person so it's wrong to celebrate hitler's death.
you are dumb as hell.
Or George Floyd. Another petty Black criminal.
The fact that the people who gave him his position in society and the power to do what he did are not as maligned is equally insane and aggravating.
@AdoraTsang thr is a room in hell reserved for him
I think a lot of the people who get made fun of a lot, like Kissinger (Thatcher is another that comes to mind immediately), it's often because they frankly didn't receive the kind of consequences for the damage they caused in life.
When a legacy is the only thing left of a person who's done horrible things, really the only recourse for some measure of justice is to ensure that legacy is not one of respect or admiration.
I think you are 100% correct on this.
This.
yup yup🎉
At least we know full well Thatcher didn’t receive the outpouring of nostalgia Reagan did. Should’ve prepared 20 years in advance like he did.
I remember the obituary of an abusive husband written by his widow. ''The bastard is dead! if you want to come to the service please do the food and drinks are free because he's paying for them!'' A, I never laughed as loud at a death notice, and B, I went! and it was a F-ing party!
The only sad thing about Kissingers death is that he never paid for his war crimes and lived to a ripe old age with great wealth and privilege.
To quote The Bard
William Shakespeare - 'The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.'
Thanks for classing up the joint with the Shakespeare quote!
"The evil that men do lives on and on" - Iron Maiden
If Kissinger hadn't lived so long his death would have been memorialized like Raegan's. The debt Kissinger paid for living so long is surviving until the "Culture of Unbridled Commentary" was around to asses his full body of work.
I've never heard that term, I like it. I might steal it.
The one positive then. Acceptable.
I can see that making as much of a splash as the 24/7 news cycle did.
Oh, he didn't care what anyone said. By the time the current media paradigm came into existence he was far too rich, and too old, to give a shit what Joe 6-Pack thought. No doubt he hated all of us just as much as, if not more than, we hated him.
What nobody is really saying is that in the end, Kissinger won. So that's an object lesson for us: stop propping up people like him.
As someone once said, “don’t speak ill of the dead” applies to your uncle who had a bit of a drinking problem. It doesn’t apply to elites whose decisions ruined millions of people’s lives.
Not "ruined", it's "decimated"
@@SimplyDuker Indeed, which means we shouldn’t hold back on Kissinger at all.
“If you gave his body an enema, you could bury him in a match box.” -Christopher Hitchens after Jerry Falwell died, but I think it works for Kissinger too.
I took a minute to understand that it meant he was full of sh-t.
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The weirdest part is all the people who listened to and enabled Kissinger's evil who still have power will still be respected and mourned.
We should hold dead people accountable. A person legacy is an extension of them. Terrible people should be noted and remembered as such, no shield by: “we cannot speak ill of the dead.”
I tend to agree, but I'd say that in the next breath, "held accountable but not for too long." If we sit here moaning and holding someone like kissinger accountable, for example, it can distract us from what's going on in, say, gaza, ukraine, what did happen in georgia, etc. And the people responsible for those things are still alive, and those events can still be changed. We can't un-warcrime Cambodia, but we can try to get Biden and politicians on both sides of the aisle to stop funding genocide.
@@carnegiexl we can multiple things at the same time. Shitting in bad dead folks doesn’t diminish distract current fight for peace and justice elsewhere.
@@sdsdssification Absolutely!
@@carnegiexl I disagree. The damage that people like Henry Kissinger did lives on long after them.
Cambodia will be forever scarred by him, and his touch has been the direct cause of many of the modern problems that these countries have.
We can't "un-war crime" cambodia, but his war crimes committed there helped to solidify US global hegemony, which will affect cambodians for the foreseeable future. We can't undo the war crimes, but we can stop exploiting them in the present.
We can both focus on stopping current tragedies and helping to fix the damages of past tragedies. They are not mutually exclusive.
In fact, you have to focus on both. Tragedy is something that carries momentum, and the more atrocities without consequences that existed in the past, the more people think they'll be able to get away with it in future.
The war in ukraine, Palestinian genocide, and Henry Kissinger's war crimes in Cambodia are all symptoms of the much larger problem of capitalism, racism, nation-states having a monopoly on violence, etc.
This idea that attention in some form of currency is what maintains this current system. The idea that you can only focus on one atrocity at a time is what allows the hundreds of ongoing atrocities to happen without consequences.
None of us are free until all of us are free, and we have to focus on every struggle at the same time in order to overcome one of them.
@@carnegiexlmen cant multitask?
When Reagan died I was making jokes about it and one of my high school teachers yelled at me “If it wasn’t for Ronald Reagan, you wouldn’t know how to tie your shoes.” I’ll never forget that.
How? Why? That's ridiculous...
Reagan taught you to tie your shoes? 🤣
@@kukalakana apparently 🤷♂️
@@andrewmcquade9413 Did you ask you teacher for what he meant?
@@joeblaster8770 he was so mad I thought he was gonna pop, he just walked away.
Rosalind Carter dies and meets St Peter at the Pearly Gates.
He says, "You have lived a good life and helped so many people."
She says, "Thank you, Jimmy and I really believed in giving back."
He asks, "Then I'd like to give something back to you. Is there any one thing on Earth that you would like to see happen that would make life better?"
She takes a moment in graceful contemplation.
She looks up and asks "Is that asshole Kissinger still alive?"
You should know, this literally moved me to tears. Thank you.
The timing of this is uncanny, as just the other day I was making a video and I mentioned that Kissinger was a piece of crap. And that it's okay to say so. In fact, I would consider it a moral duty to insult those who led selfish lives that harmed others.... and especially those who put themselves in positions of power and abuse it.
Just to clarify the reason for doing so, it is so future Generations don't think they can do horrible things and still be respected. People might think twice
"those who led selfish lives that harmed others"
I understand the spirit behind your words... but what you wrote is so vague that you, me, and every humans to date qualify. I mean... who decides what is a "selfish live that harmed others" ?
Since most of us eat meat, aren't we selfish and harm others? Since we all live in capitalist societies and contribute to the exploitation of slaves overseas whether we like it or not, we have all lived selfish lives that harmed others. Would you be okay with future generations to say you, your friends and families who've lived "good and selfless lives" from our perspective were nothing more than selfish and destructive humans who deserve all insults coming their way?
And what if some future people don't want to start insulting people from the past? Since it's a moral "duty" to do so, would it be acceptable for society to shun them for going against their "duty" ?
But then, wouldn't that in itself be selfish to condemn some for refusing what they don't consider moral to do?
That's my issue with absolutist statements... they sure feel sensical or good on the moment, but take them to their extreme conclusions, and they start to derail real quickly.
I'm not saying it is wrong to insult a dead bad person (I'm pretty neutral about it), but making it an obligation, a "moral duty" when "morals" change with times and locations... who's to say "who" will be the "selfish ones" from the future's point of view? It's not even a guarantee that what we deem "good and selfless" today won't be the "bad and selfish" of tomorrow.
Honestly, I don't know myself ! But that's what's fun about those kind of questionings, right? From others' thoughts and ideas, we get questions, which leads to diverse answers, which brings in even more questions, and even more answers, and so on, and so on...
So anyway... thanks for letting me ramble :)
@@PeanutStrawberrybecause your post is long and my adhd can't really get me to reply to all the points you brought up:
The one about eating meat is non-sensical, because eating is literally a requirement to staying alive. One could argue that eating meat may not be, but all too often do I see vegetarians/vegans health slide by eschewing animal products entirely. My Aunt's did, which is why she eats meat again.
@@PeanutStrawberryI think yea, it is okay to chat shit on past people/shitty people. If I'm going to be dead, why should I give any thought to the notion "oh no what I'm doing might be viewed badly by future people". If I'm doing something bad, they have every right to criticize and mock me.
I often times see the claim "it was the period/how they were raised", and while I think we can't dismiss an entire person's life and viewpoints based off of negative views/impacts, it still doesn't excuse them.
Also capitalism and its consequences are not the result of the individual. It is the result of the ruling class furthering exploitation (through many means) to achieve their goal.
@@PeanutStrawberrymust be exhausting to be this much of a devil's advocate and willfully missing the point of all this
Positive quality of Kissinger: he was actually world class at something almost everyone has done poorly at some point. It takes a lot of skill to kiss ass like Kissinger did.
Is not called KISSinger for no reason
No
Kissinger has plenty of positive qualities
1. He never slept with my significant other or any member of my family.
2. I’m pretty sure he’s never lost a match of League of Legends
I heard he had a GREAT kill death ratio 👍
@DeidaraSenpai789 yes, he's amazing in the jungle
he's running bot lane in the afterlife
I mean that's assuming I wouldn't have made fun of Henry to his face while he was alive.
That would've been fun.
As a New York Italian I wasn’t offended by the hand gestures but as a New York Italian I was offended by the way you pronounced Pizza Pie.
I deserve to be shunned by the New York Italian community, and will formally apologize to one day have access to your superior pizzas again.
I think we are closer to an age of shittalking the dead but Henry Kissinger was a unique case of someone that is seemingly objectively evil, who most that knew about regularly spoke about “How is this man still alive?”.
If there was an objective definition of evil, Kissinger would tick all the boxes
My little take on it. My father died while my parents were separated. He had moved out and was living out of a motel. Now this was in a conservative town in southern Idaho. He had a heart-attack and died. Our local paper in the obituary simply stated that he died at his 'residence'. To me that was incredibly tactful and kind and really spared my family from a lot of harmful gossip and speculation at a difficult time. Of more famous (or infamous) people such as Kissinger I would say that a public figure, especially one so controversial, can't really expect the kid-gloved treatment.
Being Irish, listening to the description of people being disassociated from the rituals of death is kind of alien. Here, attending funerals, going to wakes and commiserating with mourners is just part of the cadence of life. When my Grandmother died, we met people for three days at the wake, and more again at the funeral. I dont know, maybe its just a cultural thing.
The Irish have a great way of dealing with death. I come from an Irish American family and most of the funerals and wakes are very social with singing and storytelling and drinking and laughing. It's a wonderful tradition and one that seems to do a lot more to honor the dead than just being somber.
@@WisecrackEDU My(adult) nephew died mid-January 2023. He wasn't religious and what family he had any favourable contact with and his friends were mostly spread-out. He was a geek / gamer/ anime nerd and we wound up doing a service in a tabletop-gaming room of a shop he loved with pot-luck food. I made chimichangas because that was one of his favorite things that I made for him when he visited us. I miss him every day . Our service took place in May, when people could gather and it was sharing games and food and story-telling. We think it's exactly what he would have wanted. A "traditional" service would have made him feel awkward, we think, if he could attend.
This isn't just culture! This is a useful and effective approach to dealing with grief. You're collectively sharing pain and immersing yourself in the comfort of each other's presence.
This is how grief should happen, ideally, if you can allow it and understand it (e.g. you're old enough to somewhat understand death).
A lot of cultures do well with this, some did away with wonderful traditions like those.
I'm sorry for your loss. I hope you're all doing alright despite all.
Replace kissinger with Cromwell and that's how they feel about kissingers death in much of the world
@nicholascharles9625 Oh, don't get me wrong, not questioning anyone's joy at that prick dying was just commenting on the societal relationship with death.
When I was younger in school, there was one guy who would always publicly embarrass me amongst other things. Some time later, he lost control of his motorcycle and hit a tree face-first at 40 m/h a short walk from my home. A good friend called me to tell me and I said "oh wow" and immediately changed the subject to ask him something about videogames.
I'm sure his parents were all "such a good man, never hurt anybody" but to me? My life got markedly more calm and pleasant after he kissed that tree. Shame it takes death for some people to stop being cunts. Moral pearl-clutching about death makes me sick, even Dahmer's dad overlooked all that shit out of sentiment.
this is nothing, when the queen died that's truly when global south twitter shined, i've never had a better laugh and sleep in my life
That was a fun day. Irish twitter really went hard as well.
@@WisecrackEDUnothing makes me happier than seeing Irish people be happy about the detriment of British people
@@WisecrackEDUdo a video on it
Absolutely. Respect is earned or lost and those that lose it get roasted figuratively and literally
Steve Irwin cant get roasted?
@@stomachegg041 Crikey! He deserves a good natured roast. He was wacky but we love him.
@@theCommentDevil This is ignorant.
Stop worshipping shit you watch on TV.
Look usually you shouldn’t. But we’ve been waiting a loooong time for Kissinger to bite it, and so has Hell. Just let us have this moment…
Kissinger's death was truly the end of a terrible miscarriage of justice.
Being form the UK, it's fascinating to see the (rightful) denigration of Kissinger after his death by his fellow countrymen - particularly after all the "oh you can't say that" and "don't speak ill of the dead" comments I received when we celebrated Margaret Thatcher finally kicking the bucket.,
Here in the States I remember being chastised by my then boss for being happy that ol’ Thatcher had finally died. “ShE hElPeD eNd CoMmUnIsM!!!!111” he shouted at me in self righteous indignation. It was wild lol
Want to be respected in death? Don't be reviled in life.
Sometimes I get sad. When I do, I think of Henry Kissinger. I love to think that he's down there, screaming up at us. And I think he's in pain.
“Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water”
-William Shakespeare, Henry VIII
Someone once told me Teddy Roosevelt was their favourite American president because of national parks or something. I said "the guy who colonised the Philippines and set up Guantanamo Bay?" and was told I was being disrespectful lol.
No president should be a favorite tbh
@@Agentlefoxwe should send them to prison once they get out off office 😂
Just be honest. You were intentionally being disrespectful. But who cares? he's long dead. It's fine to acknowledge people that do things tend to do their share of not good things.
@@Snake369 I think it's disrespectful to the people of countries that endured intense suffering to say that the ones who inflicted it are your "favourite" anything. Imagine a Russian saying that Stalin is their favourite leader because of all the roads and railways he built.
@@Eltener123 I'll keep that in mind the next time some american college liberal wants to cite Stalin as anything other than an evil genocidal monster.
That said, you're putting a hell of a lot of words and intention in the mouths of others in order to feel some kind of smug, self-righteousness. First, neither one of you were (presumably) talking directly to or in the vicinity of anyone who had suffered directly at the hands of Roosevelt. So your empathy there is misplaced. Someone cynical (me, that's me, i'm cynical) would accuse you of being performatively empathetic. Secondly, you know full well that wasnt their intention. Were they naive and ignorant of the less palatable things Roosevelt did? Sure. Were you trying to be a condescending asshole on purpose? I'd be willing to bet at least $100. So them calling you out for being disrespectful is pretty mild compared to what i'd accuse you of.
Frankly, if the people of those countries are so sensitive that someone they don't know respects someone else that has harmed people in the past, thats on them. I can say I respect the Japanese for example and if that upsets someone from Korea, that's too bad. It's not because of the heinous war crimes they committed in the 1930s and 1940s, but because of their attention to detail, precision and craftsmanship.
I got married to my husband a month ago, and while sure, that's the happiest day of my life so far, I did not expect the flurry of good emotions that came days later when Kissinger died. Not a bad way to end 2023.
Robert Evans did a very good series of episodes on Behind the Bastards with the Dollop about Kissinger, so if you don't know anything about him, go check those episodes out. Or just remember that he's basically the Forest Gump of war crimes.
That Dollop series is very good. I can second that recommendation.
I guess he would be the American counterpart to Hitler?
Similar body counts, if nothing else.@@Nostripe361
@@Nostripe361 Sadly there are too many good candidates with “Wilson” in their names for that to be just one American. On the bright side… it was a team effort to replicate (and inspire) him?
The main difference between the death of Kissinger and of Reagan or Bush, is that the latter two are democratically elected leaders which connects them more strongly to American society turning any criticism on them into open criticism of America whether the people supported them or not. This requires an extra step of disassociation that the mainstream isn't comfortable to assume of the American public before criticising them on top of the all the other social pressures that coherence them to respect the dead.
In a perfect world, I would say we shouldn't make fun of people who've passed on; but the unfortunate reality is that there are some people who are so unbelievably miserable to be around, and force that misery onto other people, that it makes it hard not to feel anything but relief and happiness when they are no longer around. "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go." -Oscar Wilde
YES we can, especially if making fun of people (like Kissinger) who are responsible for the deaths of other people.
Great vid. It was heartwarming to see the Rolling Stone headline that day. I cringed when the press fawned over the corpse of Reagan. Same with dead dodgy royals (I'm from UK). As with Reagan, over here most bad things can be traced back to Thatcher. The week she died you could not do a Google search with her name in it without something along the lines of "Much Revered Stateswoman Tragically Passes Away" coming up. The true will of the people was shown by that week's No1 record in the UK charts being "Ding dong the wicked witch is dead". Of course no BBC radio shows would play it!
That's pretty interesting to hear, actually. I was aware of the "Ding dong the witch is dead" bit, but that had left me with the idea that it was a pretty open concept that Thatcher's death was pretty openly celebrated.
There was a mixed reaction. There were celebration parties in socialist households and lots of (ex) mining towns. Daily Mail readers thought the sky had fallen down.@@SkySong6161
The real tragedy of Kissinger's death is that it was late.
2:35 Anthony Bourdain was such a great man. I miss him.
If you hear that kissinger died, and you have something mean to say, stop to take a breath and time to reflect, then when you're ready say something meaner.
Great advice, its important to remember that sometimes its just not the right call to say something bad, thats simply rude and mundane.
you have to think about something even worse
This is so weird, I was JUST talking to my husband about this an hour ago. I stand firm that if someone is a POS in life, I'm gonna say they were a POS and that won't change because they're dead. Be real. I'm tired of people acting like they gave a crap about someone at their funeral. If you cared then you would have showed it in their life. And stop pretending like every dead person was a Saint. Just because they're dead means we can't be realistic about their character? I don't get it
I think some of it stems from the idea that "they're not able to defend their name/reputation" because they're dead. So it is unfair to confront someone about mistakes when they can't trying and lay out an explanation.
Of course, there's exceptions. Kissinger is a case in which there's extraordinary amounts of evidence, as well as contemporary criticism of him, his actions, politics, involvement etc.
So, this sentiment might apply when u had a little spat with Uncle Tom or whatever but not with a politician whose life and horrible decisions were as measured and deliberate as they are transparent to all of us now
@@pepperonicici Why should we care if terrible people "don't have a chance to defend themselves" when their acts were indefensible
@@catsnorkel Nobody can tell you to care - maybe you shouldnt. Politics and social situations are really complicated. I can imagine this argument and I have heard it myself. I never said I personally support it. I just brought it up because it is a talking point in the discussion.
I think war and genocide is pretty indefensible and unforgivable, yet you will always find those trying to find "good" in tyrants, dictators and war criminals. But maybe, sometimes those are the exception, even when they yell the loudest about how to glorify sexy Daddy Kissinger etc.. And maybe it is important to not highlight and platform those kind of people and thus enhance their influence (or whatever they perceive as such), so as to give them an air of importance bc they are the talk of the town.
Anyway, have a nice day and a good start into a year with one less horrible piece of shit in charge. Many more to go.
My mom seemed APPALLED when I told her I couldn't stand Kissinger and how he was a war criminal. Full on clutching the pearls (she's a boomer) appalled. I remember reading The Trial of Henry Kissinger in high school and being shocked even then (this was 2003) that he was still alive.
I waited 2 weeks to watch this specifically because I wanted to hear someone talk about Kissinger dying like it just happened again. It was nice. Brought back some memories.
One mistake people sometimes make when discussing life expectancies of the past is forgetting that life expectancy is an average. Averages can be skewed. So a life expectancy of 30 in the middle ages means that things like war, famine, or disease were likely to kill you before you reached 30. It doesn't mean that a 30 year old was comparable health-wise to a 75 year old today, or that living to age 60 was like living to 150 today. If a person wasn't snuffed out early, they could easily live to 70 or 80 years old back then.
The child mortality rates were crazy back then
It could be more sorted out as this,
if you made it past millitary age than you would likely survive until as long as you developed a medical condition.
Thing is makeing it past millitary age was no easy task and when and how one developes a medical condition is a bit of a dice roll, especially back when "healthy diet and activity" was not really a thing and syphilis very much was
80 was really unusual back then among the working class especially compared today. Medical treatment alone was so bad back then that it could just as easily kill you as it could help you.
As someone who recently wrote an obituary, I came to understand why such texts may easily end up vague, blandly positive, and lacking much personality: pressure not only to please a sensitive audience, but also directly from people who did not step up to be writer but do want to play editor.
Short answer : Yes.
Long answer : Yes, you can laugh at those clown 6ft under all day long.
It reminds me of Smithers collapsing by Mr. Burns screaming: "Oh! Why do the good always die so young?!"
"Sex and Death" was a college class offered by the Carnegie Mellon history dept. in the 90s.
Shoutout to the six-part podcast series Behind The Bastards did on Kissinger! 🔥 🎉 💀
You gotta be a major bastard to have 6 hours of content.
that guy in that book i still haven't finished said, let the dead bury themselves
Nice.
One good thing about Kissinger: He was the inspiration for a pretty great movie, Dr Strangelove.
He was an inspiration in a movie that came out years before he gained any power?
@@impcit5717 Believe it or not, Kissinger was pretty influential even _before_ he became Secretary of State and National Security Adviser. That Harvard education sure went a long way for him.
As someone that "came back" after being defibrillated yeh very few people, even strangers, are comfortable talking with me about the experience. Death is taboo and its sad. How people react is fascinating. I had a friend murdered for trying to help his girlfriend take back her dog from a crazy ex and people in my circle are finally being more open with their feelings but it's nuts that's what it took combined the same friend circle had multiple fellow friends die of ODs and yet still I feel its not "ok" to discusss my near death experience because of how uncomfortable people get. I'm glad in some ways about us being separated from death due to better health n whatnot but there has to be a balance where reality isn't shut out
Was it the worst nap of your life or the best? I’ve genuinely wondered that but never had a chance to ask anyone.
@@jimbotheimpaler4756 Best in the moment, worst when i came back. During the experience there was a sense of pure peace and I had little memory of anything but being in this dreamscape i was in as i was dying. It has lessened my fear of death in general but the trauma it exerted on people who love me and on me looking back at how close I came is awful... The dying part was "easy" and coming back was hard... In the dreamscape I had to hold onto bolts of electricity which pulled me upwards and as I went up I saw countless possible "worlds" or "dreams" till eventually seeing the paramedics for the first time and realizing what was going on... i fell back in and felt like death itself was asking me what I wanted... fight and come back on the electric poles or sink and explore the possibiles of dissolving into the infinite...
I'm getting ready to head to a party so don't have much time to get into details (also writing on a phone) but feel free to ask whatever you want. I'm not upset when I talk about this... the opposite, it helps ground me and also come to terms with what happened
@@jimbotheimpaler4756 Now that, is a really interesting question.
id imagine it has alot to do with the state that put you under in the first place, if it was an OD or some kind of poisoning or heart condition that was fixed while you where out id imagine you would wake up feeling pretty fresh, if you got hit by a bus, well, your back but you still got hit by a bus, probably going to need some time to shake that one off
One of the most positive aspects of Henry Kissinger's personality is that he no longer has one.
Henry Kissinger has some qualities... like being dead.
The reason that we do not speak ill of the dead immediately after they die is not for the benefit of the dead. It's for the benefit of the living. The folks who are related or loved or friends with the deceased do not want to hear terrible things in their time of pain
If you refused to see or care about the pain your associates caused when they were still around then why should anyone care about your pain when they're gone?
There are many family members who were mistreated by deceased persons who feel gaslighted when everyone is lying about how decent the person was. It is not caring for family members. It is the mirror the person puts on the person praising them. They want to know that good will be said about them in spite of their deeds and heart.🎉
If the deceased is trash their friends are too.
Those who loved evil people should not be spared that.
For awful people, their family don’t deserve to be spared as they continue to associate with a terrible human being
Make fun of Terrible dead people?
Not exactly how I would put it.
I would say we can absolutely openly loath terrible dead people.
A good thing about Kissinger is that he's making a lot of worms happy, he always had a thing for worms.
Personally, I am of the mindset that if you were a piece of shit in life and overall made things around you worse, then you don't get a pass just because you've died.
As someone in their early 30's I feel like death is more "in focus" then ever before in my life. I lost all my grandparents, uncles, and father in my 20's and now just being an avid internet user, I see it everywhere with the wars going on in Palestine and Ukraine. Everybody has HD camera's that can capture it and the internet to share it. Makes me want to go out in the woods to homestead and get away from it all.
I can relate. I don’t remember meeting either of my grandfathers and my dad died when I was a kid. Both grandmothers died by the time I was early 20s. That’s what happens when people have children later in life
Feels like before 2020, life had some kind of intrinsic value, so people would think twice about going ham on a dead person since they can’t defend themselves. But now that we learned that life has no intrinsic value, it’s ok to criticize, mock or otherwise defame the dead.
In the words of MaxOr, Kissinger made his life goal to set the world record for highest K/D ratio.
When I die, I'd like people to say "he tipped waiters, tried to be kind, and never carpet bombed Cambodia."
Michael! Wish you and the rest of the wisecrack team an amazing new year! Love you all❤❤❤❤❤
Kissinger and Tatcher walked into Hell..
Thanks American Dad for teaching me about the Iran-Contra affair through song
I think the view of death started to have a sea change after the submarine incident.
Thank you for all the great videos this year! Wisecrack is one of the best RUclips channels out there!
List of positive things about Kissinger:
-He was (allegedly) a human being
-He died
This was quite the year and can't wait For the next one!😊😊😊
Good people and people who like good people do not worry or care about others laughing at any of them's deaths.
The pearl clutchers are always the ones who are and who liked terrible people.
A good quote I saw that’s perfect for Kissinger “the good die young”
Enjoy your break. Thanks for all the thought-provoking videos over the years.
The way Reagan is remembered is disturbing to me. His reelection in 1984 was the first election I was able to vote in, and it began a lifetime of attempting to remind my peers of the actions he took while in office.
Kinda hard to laugh about it.
He died at 100 without ever facing justice, it really seems like he won.
Without watching, yes, absolutely, and we should at every chance we get.
LOVE your stuff man. The others on Wisecrack too. You're my fave though. Happy new year, and keep up the good work!
Thank you!
i'm glad you bring this up, the first time i heard someone say reagan was one of our greatest presidents, i almost fell off my chair, but it seemed like everyone remembered that way. i felt like winston. it's kinda like these days i hear people saying, everyone in america supported the wars after 9/11, but a lot of us were against it, even the dixie chicks. bush called them out for that by name, all with the loose lips and the fire in the theater and all that, but pretty much everyone shut that down real quick, all like, leave 'em alone, just leave those chicks aloooone
And I am right there with you. I get the weirdest looks and verbal attacks when I mention Iran Contra and Reagan. Likewise, Nixon and Kissinger have to own the legacy of the impacted nations surrounding the Vietnam War.
He's "remembered" that way by the zealotous cultists the party spent a LONG time grooming to reject critical thought and obey. People's memories have less than nothing to do with the reality they lived in sometimes.
My great-grandpa was pretty high up in the SS during WW2 and after several strokes, he didn't recognize any of his family members any more, but he still recognized Hitler, whose portrait hang on the wall of his living room and he saluted before it every day. This was mentioned in his eulogy by saying "he was loyal to his principles until the end", not one bad word was spoken about him.
My friend was a metalhead who lived next to the church so the church people knew him and despised him for his "satanic" look and loud music, but he was one of the most gentle, kind and empathic people I have ever met. His whole eulogy was about how he was on the wrong path and may Jesus guide him despite his shortcomings and so on, not one positive word about him was spoken.
So my bottom line is, let's continue to speak truth to power. Despite him having been a nazi, I don't wish ill upon my dead grandpa, but how we speak about the dead reveals our own values more than anything. We can't hide and pretend someone like mass-murderer Kissinger was some dignified president (which is a myth in itself as there are none). Next we can't speak ill about Hitler?! Pretending we can't speak ill of Kissinger reveals a lack of care about the lives of people from the global south and condoning US warfare around the world.
This is one of my favorite title+thumbnail combinations I've ever seen!
Man! I haven’t watched this channel in a few months. You’ve become an excellent host! Great video!
Appreciate it bud.
Answer: yes. Next video!
Yes especially the guy in the thumbnail
"Don't speak ill of the dead" is a saying that never swayed me. I'll tell the truth about anyone, living or dead. To their face, if presented.
favorite ep so far . i'm definitely keeping up with wisecrack all of 2024 !
Criticism is one of America's greatest traditions!
Thumbnail answers the question, hell yes
I've enjoyed your videos and look forward to your new stuff. Thank you for all your hard work.
I used to have to handle the obituaries at a small-town newspaper. We’d get all sorts of long obituaries submitted, and the majority of these were to run as free obituaries, which had a limited word count. I was assigned the unenviable task of trimming them.
Liberals when the man that slaughtered their entire family dies from old age: 😢
Have a great, restorative break!! Yay to new longer videos
I think it’s important to point out that Kissinger was an American, specifically an American conservative, and as such Americans, and American conservatives specifically, are heavily incentivized to not regard him as the monster he was and to whitewash his legacy of terror and death, hence the impulse among some Americans to not speak ill of him.
He was one of us. To condemn him risks, in a way, having to condemn us.
It’s easy for us to condemn figures like Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot partially because they weren’t American; they were monsters, yes, but more importantly they were *foreign* monsters, “proof” that such abominable behavior is only ever exhibited by “them,” never by “us.”
At the very least condemning Kissinger inflicts a very serious blow on one of America’s most sacred (and incorrect) beliefs, namely that America is “the good guy” who can do no wrong.
Kissinger’s legacy, combined with the facts that he lived to 100, was allowed to die of old age, and is still defended by far too many Americans both in and out of government, gives the lie to the myth of American exceptionalism.
America is not uniquely good. It’s capable of generating monsters just as bad as everyone else.
Keep on saying true stuff, my man.
Appreciate you!
Philosophy has never been more relevant.
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