@@tony_25or6to4 Chinese cars are dangerous, but no bad info is allowed out of the country. I feel that this person is being paid to say these things and Some of it is untrue, Or this is not researched properly. This is not an independen Review
My last cars have been a Toyota Celica and Honda Accord. I recently drove a BYD Dolphin whereas the attention to finishing details are not quite as good, it is still very nice. And the (wife) really loves it because there's no more smelly gas stations / lines, no more maintenance details (spark plugs, oil filters, air filters, transmission fluid, motor oil, ....), it's just drive it home and plug it in. Their electric increase cost represented about 1/4th to 1/5th of the cost of gasoline from their Toyota Yaris.
Glad you are taking about BYD. BYD will continue to improve their EVs and will sell them where they are allowed. If there is no competition in the lower priced EVs in North America, the big three auto makers will continue to fall behind in battery tech and EV tech. The big three will eventually only be selling their vehicles in the protected USA. They will be shut out of the rest of the world.
When a quality small car is on the showroom floor, people will buy them. (Corolla, Camry, Civic, Bolt) Legacy brands only want to sell product where the profit margin is maximized. Too bad for the consumer.
Weirdly, the Bolt wasn't an "affordable EV" until GM put them on clearance sale before end of production last year. Before that, GM was asking $40k for them and barely selling 20k per year.
An interesting perspective on human rights is that, given all of the negatives you mentioned, they also lifted 800 million people out of poverty in the last 40 years.
China has done some nasty work towards its minority by increasing their population, their income, and allowing them to enter university with lower points, on top of giving them scholarships with much lenient requirements. The world must come together to condemn China!
China has done some nasty work towards its minority by increasing their population, their income, and allowing them to enter university with lower points, on top of giving them scholarships with much lenient requirements. The world must come together to condemn China!
I live in France. My wife and I drive a pair of once top-of-the-line Citroëns that are beginning to show their age. We’re going to trade one of them in, buying an EV in its place. We want a nice, reasonable family car. A couple of years ago, there were hardly any available, but now there are lots. The presence of MG (now a middle-of-the-road Chinese brand) has contributed to European manufacturers putting "nice, reasonable family EVs" on the market. Interestingly, several solid Stellantis (Peugeot, Fiat, Opel, Alfa Romeo, … ) products are available in Europe, that are NOT available in the USA. Renault is not present in the US. Mercedes and BMW are costly. Tough luck, Americans. But hey! You can buy a Hummer! We’re looking closely at the Renault Scenic. If you want to know what this is, there are lots of English-language RUclips videos online, because the car is sold in the UK and Ireland. It will cost us about €40 000, or $43 600, INCLUDING a 20 % value-added-tax. (Kinda like a sales tax.) That price also includes a €4000 EV incentive from the French government. It's not a tax rebate - it's a straight-up deduction. Considering the exchange rate and taxes, the Scenic's price is about $36 000. It's a NICE car, so that's a good price. We're long-distance snowbirds, spending several months every year in the sunny US Southwest. We have a condo there. We drive a ten-year-old Buick Encore. Nice little car - quiet and comfortable, But it's getting old, too. If we have to change it, we won't get an EV because they're just too F-ing expensive in the US. We don't qualify for any tax rebate, since we pay our taxes in France. I remember, fifty years ago, when Japanese cars overwhelmed American manufacturers. Americans consumers wanted cheap but competent cars. For a decade, American manufacturers ignored what was happening, as CEOs took their huge retirement packages, while never rocking the boat. The Japanese captured a third of the market, before the government stepped in with… tariffs. We've seen this movie before…...
An all electric Citroen C5X would be nice even an IDEAL family ev for Stellantis, if not at a fortune less competitive than the comparable "Chinese EC"
@@bobnelsonfrI think the new eC3 deserves some actual criticism because being competitively affordable and "small" is not enough if we consider how it is an Indian market SUV that is being advertised as an upper crust and boutique SUV, pushed the same way how SUVs were idolised in Western countries and shooting ourselves in the foot. It's not as nice as the old C3 Picasso for that matter. An EV MPV C4 Picasso is sorely needed. A regular supermini C3 would be nice too; and a C2, C1, CZero and an Ami that isn't a literal glorified Playmobil with 48v but a minimalist car in many ways like the 2CV/Ami
@@toyotaprius79 That's strange. Completely specified to the max (including stuff I don't want, such as the electrochromic sunroof, the big battery, and the big motor} the configuration shows just over €45 000 here in France.
Hi Nikki! It’s Rick from the declining oil capitol of the world and emerging renewables capitol of the world Houston, Texas. Well said Nikki! Yes, protection of the U.S. car market and enrichment of the Detroit big 2 1/2’s shareholders are EXACTLY what this is all about. Just like in the 70s when Japan out maneuvered Detroit with affordable high quality low emissions economy cars, China is now doing it. China has done what Elon Musk has failed to do and we are constantly gaslit into believing a $42,000 base Model 3 is “affordable”. Time to drop, or at least substantially reduce, the tariffs on cheap Chinese EVs for a line of car that Detroit is simply not interested in building so the rest of us can buy a car that won’t break the bank.
Long Range RWD Model 3 is $35k after the instant federal tax credit. That is affordable for most new car buyers, IMO. Of course, used cars are more affordable than new, and there are Model 3, Chevy Bolt EVs, and other EVs available for under $20k, some under $10k.
@@radiotec76 EV-1 was lease only, of course. However the MSRP was about $0-45k IIRC. Also, the required L2 EVSE to charge with the (overly complicated and expensive IMO) “Magnacharge” paddle was $5000 + install costs. So maybe $50k in 1998 dollars, IF they would have sold one. $35k of inflated 2024 dollars for a Model 3 is way more car for the money.
I live in the Antelope Valley in California, not too far from BYD's factory in Lancaster California, and I've wished for a while that they could expand that factory and build more of BYD's cars (they currently build buses and medium trucks there). Unfortunately, anti-china sentiment is a powerful political force, even locally here. And I do think that concerns about the effect of Chinese cars on the US auto industry are definitely not without merit. But I do really think that allowing BYD and other Chinese companies to open factories in the US would actually help the US auto industry, similar to the way that Japanese car companies opening factories in America did.
As an aside, I've seen a BYD sedan driving up the 14 twice, and I've seen a BYD van of some kind tooling around the back roads in West Lancaster. So it seems like they're at least considering bringing their cars to the US.
We are a family of 4 and our daily drivers are a Bolt EV and Mach-E. This combo allows me to handle a large amount of stuff and go on road trips with the Mach-E. I don't understand households that live in my area driving around a pair of F150s or a Grand Wagoneer + Grand Cherokee.
I believe you do understand (and hopefully cherish it), it's the exact same reason you're not walking or riding a bicycle to work, school, the store, etc... Freedom to live your life as you care to.
@@cruzctrl2 They will never understand why people Perfer Safety and Utility for what ever may come, all they want to do is use politics to push their Adjenda on us while claiming EV's have become too political. Boy the Hypocrisy I know what you mean as we just want to be left alone ! Stop telling us what to buy, Stop telling me that I don't need This or That, that we don't drive enough miles or too many miles. Power and Control is all the Green Eco Part wants.
@@cruzctrl2 i love walking, but then i live in a walkable city, which is honestly alot of fun, you don't have to prepare anything to go out, it just feel so casual. but to make a city walkable is hard, it has to be crime safe, and well build up. the underground here basically cover the entire city, i can stay indoor from one end of the city to the other. fact is american and european cities are build a long time ago makes rebuilding the urban core an impossibly expensive proposition... if I were a governor, I would push to build entirely new cities as that might be cheaper to do so! sadly governor don't get 20 years to realise such massive undertaking. the political system does not favor long term development goals...
BYD is coming to Canada, and I'll be watching that with interest. But, until I see the build quality and rust resistance, I'll be keeping my Bolt euv, which it's working fine. North American automakers have received $billions in taxpayer handouts.
It you believe GM products have superior rust-proof bodywork and finishes compared to global suppliers, I have some Florida swampland on offer to add to your portfolio.
@@zsedcify - I'm surprised how well Bolts are built, lasting, and holding up against rust; maybe it's just Orion assembly doing a great job. I didn't expect the great fit and finish my Bolt euv has.
Well said. In the 1950-70s, protectionism gave the US generations of wallowy wasteful oversized cars with terrible primary safety. And then the dam burst… The current round of punitive tariffs risks setting up a similar disaster for domestic manufacturers down the road. +1 for enshittification
IN the 50's we didn't have protectionism that you imply, the first round of the import revolution started in the mid-50s with the VW and Renault being the second biggest seller by 1960. This include a large number of mini and micro cars from Germany, a lot of french cars. The US automakers responded to this by creating larger but still economical cars, like the Valiant, Falcon and Corvair. IF we did have protections in the US, we would never have seen a mustang or smaller cars like the Dart, or going into the 70s cars like the maverick and we would not have had the second import revolution in the mid-70s from Japan.
In the 50s, a man could afford to support 5 children, a none working wife, a new car & buy a family house in a tier one city paid off in under 10 years. All on an average wage.
@@SunRise-ul7ko Yes, everything was better in the 1950s. The war in Korea that was threatening to become WWIII. The cold war. The duck and cover drills for school kids. The polio. Thalidomide. Love Canal. Minamata disease. Poverty. WWII veterans. Rise of communism. Etc. But, for many Americans, Eisenhower, the last real Republican, life was better. The country was improving. Then came reagan (R), the attack on the middle class, the attack on government (for profit services are "better"), the attack on education (the biggest ticket for middle class advancement), closing of public (mental) hospitals, trickle down economics (oddly called "neoliberalism"), privatization of government, tax cuts for the rich/corporations, the attack on labor unions (PATCO, et al), ... and that's continued on to this day with tax cuts for the rich, continued. Attack on education, continued. Attack on labor/unions, continued. More privatization of government (with increased costs and less transparency of private companies), etc. Yeah, so if you have selective memory and want to re-write history, have at it. You can't cancel those of us who were there.
@@LastTrueConservative-or4psare you blind to all of the similar scandals going on right now!?? Maybe citizens aren't currently doing bomb shelter drills, but it's a very poorly maintained veneer of safety... It's common knowledge that the whole world is freaking out about a potential invasion in the south china sea and if Taiwan is involved, likely so is the USA (and the world!) 😢
I personally like BYD’s cars, and I love how the Chinese prioritize the back seat room on so many models (from what I understand anyway). No, it’s not because I’m some high ranking executive banker. Rather, as someone with mobility issues who cannot drive, having something with a lot of back seat room where I don’t have to jimmy in and out with difficulty would be a huge win. Plus? They just look neat 😊
It's a show of higher class. Just like the Build Your Dreams on the back of the car, it's tells the people driving behind you that you're better than them.
My friend who wants to minimize his environmental impacts but wants a new car said he’ll probably get a Chevy Trax. He thinks EVs are too expensive. I need to try again to ask him to consider a used Bolt.
Automakers should be doing more EV educating, federal government should be doing more EV educating. People need more than "EVs good", I work with people much younger than me that are clueless on EVS. Need specifics of range, how you charge, basics
He's right that new Kona EV and Equinox EV are both too expensive compared to a new Trax ICE. What am I missing? What's the cheapest new all electric car available in the US in 2024?
@@rp9674 I do not think so. Elon said it a while ago. You need a compelling, a racy, a over the top fast and furious slick sleek and sick car for the youngsters. And Tesla delivered. Just watch those Beemers and Audis being "smoked". Older, adult people want to know abot charging, efficiency, range, sustainability and TCO. The posers, the Mustang, Jeep, Raptor, RAM and Charger buyers must be covinced by "I have the faster one and can smoke you from here to Nebraska you loser!"
Nikki, You really hit this one on the head! Living in the U. S. Is living in the affordable EV desert. Nothing much under 35K and usually 45 K. I think the tariffs are a joke as China does not pay them the buyer does. If you wanted to incentives and tariffs, perhaps the IRA model would be appropriate, just in reverse. Decrease the tariff year by year for say 5 years to O%. This way US carmakers are put on notice to get their stuff together. If they don't that becomes their problem. We can still put incentives on the hood for American made. I do have an Aptera reservation, though I'm not holding my breath about it. If a used EV pops up for me I may try that instead. I live in the State where more EVs are purchased than any other and I'm still driving ICE because it just does not make any sense to to spend 40k when mine is paid for and running fine.
We are in that same state, you should get a used Bolt EV, the prices are good. We did, it has been such a great vehicle, and saved us so much on maintenance and fuel. Plus EVs are so much nicer to drive, and can charge at home...
I like your suggestion for a fade-out of the tariff protection. Time is running out anyway for them to offer competitive options, as the “domestic” brands may soon find their only market is the US.
Small affordable vehicles are what's needed here in North America. That includes cars, suv's, small trucks like a 1970 type of Toyota or Datsun and large trucks such as the F150. However, vehicle manufacturers need to stop adding a whole bunch of electronic stuff so one can buy a simple vehicle (lower cost) if they want it. For example manual windows, manual seat adjustment, simple heating/air conditioning etc. Put smaller motors in instead of a motor that will get you from 0 to 100 km in 4 or 5 seconds. Who the hell needs that? Most people want a car to haul their kids, groceries etc. Others just want to haul some soil for their garden, a few boards or drywall for a small project or a bit of camping gear for the weekend. Use gearing to get the performance needed. We don't need to drive race capable vehicles for everyday use! Have an option list for those who want to get the latest and greatest, fastest, most advanced etc etc etc. Make the options affordable and it's a win/win for all. FWIW I bought a new 1972 Datsun (Nissan) pickup in September of 1972 for $2800.00 taxes in. The only option I chose was a block heater. I had that truck for many years and it served me well. Just maintenance costs and great gas mileage and little to no repairs. We need more like that. Only electric :-)
I agree completely! But the shareholders want 500% profit and all the gadgets are what gets them that. I hate that china may be the only ones to produce an affordable electric car.
I would love to see some wagon models come out as well as I need something that will fit my father's scooter and the groceries we get on senior day at the store.
In China they subsidize the manufacture of EVs by reducing the tax load of the manufacturers. In the US, they subsidize the purchase of superyachts by billionaires by reducing the tax load on the billionaires. Clearly, America has the winning strategy!
Ah, you know most of those EVs are rotting away in the Chinese countryside. The manufacturers title them so they can be marked as sold and then they are abandoned, left to rot by the literal millions, and this is a simple fact. Look it up. Reason being is to gain access to said subsidies along with the desire to inflate sales numbers by the government. What happens to all that money? Well the owners “flee with the cash” as the Chinese say, leaving those behind unpaid, and ultimately come to other counties like the US to buy the mega yachts and start their next business.
As I've said many times, I can understand the push to bolster American jobs and American manufacturing, but at this point we have NO time to lose to mitigate the climate crisis. We need "all hands on deck" to eliminate tailpipes worldwide, and if that means some -even most- of those hands are Chinese… so be it.
Good point, but we can do both, we are USA. Highly qualified and controlled Chinese automakers in us, abiding by our laws and not abusing workers. Maybe contingent on behaving better internationally
You mean the same country that is currently building hundreds of coal fired power plants, and is the world's number one producer of CO2, and growing, sure that is going to help the climate.
Not a China super fan, but facts is facts - China is the world's leader in renewable energy production, generating more than three times as much as the second-ranked country, the United States. That China.
@@Yanquetino But it is a hoax. Follow the money. Which country is making hundreds of billions feeding bullshit solutions to the climate cultists, CHINA.
Be really interesting to see the T3. Overall the F150 lightning is a good EV and the T3 will be ground up. That said we need smaller vehicles for most people.
@Robinpettit7827: I can’t tell if you’re trolling or uninformed. First off, the Nissan LEAF was a completely new EV-specific platform. Second, all EGMP vehicles like the Ioniq 5 & Ioniq 6, Kia EV 6, etc, are built on an EV-specific platform. Third, the Chevy Bolt was also an EV-specific platform. Fourth, the current Blazer EV is based in GM’s Ultium platform, which is EV only. So where the hell do you get the notion that “legacy automakers (…) have yet to redesign their cars for EV use”?
@@jacobcarlson4010 Regardless not a lot of ground up EVs from legacy and their production and dealership support has left a lot to be desired. The Leaf platform is now 15 years old and it shows. GM promised 25 EV models in 2025... ya that isnt gonna happen.
@@ccibinel: “not a lot of ground up EVs” is very different from (paraphrasing) “there are absolutely no EVs made from scratch” as Robin said. And the age of the LEAF platform does not change the fact that it IS an EV-only platform.
There are very few that have gone away from current design standards. Even the leaf and bolt are basically designed like ice cars. The shape is the same.
The arguement against Chinese built cars kinda fails rapidly once you realise that in Australia, all Teslas are made there. We can't even claim tariffs for protectionism because "what domestic auto manufacturing?"
I'm an American. I live in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. All Australian Teslas are made in China. There are no cars domestically built here. Everything is imported. You are patently wrong. Try again...
I would even go further by saying Chinese made Teslas have less panel gaps than the US made ones. Also newer models come out in China before the US such as model 3 highland.
@@i6power30 Agreed. Tesla had a reputation for poor build quality. As soon as Australia started sourcing their cars from Chinese factories, build quality was massively better and no one talks about build quality problem anymore.
0:16 another thing you'll need to do is keep the klump out of the white house. sending him there the first time was a mistake, allowing him in the oval office again would be inexcusably stupid.
@@gregripp i wouldn't be surprised if all the MAGA idiots voted for the klump, opening the oval office door for him. if that happens, the whole world will be worse off.
Didn't Biden administration put a terrific or tax on Chinese cars recently...think it's 100%. They also did not invite to the EV summit not even talk with Elon Musk the absolutely most qualified person to transition the US to electric. The summit was in the beginning ofnhis term when Elon had said no provoking words yet the administration didn't invite him because they were paid off by legacy auto and unions.....they are crooked as can be. Now they overly investigate Elon with the SEc, FBI, CIA...etc just because he supports freedom of speach which it was proven that the democratic administration controls in the media and did control during the last election. You need to open your eyes....both parties are crooked and corrupt. I wish JFK could win.
God, how I want GM to bring the Bolt back with basically the same footprint and price-point as the outgoing one... only cooler looking and, ideally, more aerodynamic. Like a CD of 0.25 or less. I know it's more difficult because it's a short hatchback, but I'm sure they could figure something out.
The Bolt's "price point" was $40k. It wasnt affordable until GM put it on clearance sale before end of production. New batteries and power train isn't going to be the same price as old car on clearance.
@@CSHarvey it progressively got cheaper over time. The 2022 started at about $32k and the 2023 started at $26.5k. The 2023 EUV started at $27.8. Do you think they're really going to try and charge $40k for it when the Equinox EV will start at $35k?
Agree but once you start adding Bots like make it better looking or faster charging, not fair to expect them to charge the same price. Prius Prime starts at $33K and that's just a plug-in hybrid, because it's pretty and has huge Wheels
US auto industries suffer serious dementia despite so many setbacks at the cost of consumers. We are the 1st country selling 6000lb electric guzzling SUV, which is a total oxymoron, and no one seems to notice why we are misdirected.🤪
Misdirected, good word like the people have spoken they want hybrids, but do they really or is it because they've been fed disinformation from oil companies and automakers that want to continue making highly profitable gas pigs
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It's hopeful to me that China is forcing the EV market. I hope Ford decides to make a Maverick EV, or that one car maker that sells in the US would offer a small truck EV. Those F150 Lightnings are works of art, but I'd be a driver who didn't use most of one.
I'm crossing my fingers that Telo gets the funding they need to produce their truck. A small truck with an 8 ft box and great approach/departure angle that is the side of a BMW mini would be amazingly useful.
How is the Lightning a work of art? It looks exactly like a diesel F-150, and it's not nearly as well engineered as a Tesla. It's a good pickup, hard to criticize, but nothing exceptional. Except that it costs twice to make it than it sells for. That's why Ford is cutting back production. Now the Cybertruck is a different story. It has a controversial design, but most people in the real world seem to like it, it's full of innovation, it's very good in almost anything, much more versatile than a diesel pickup, and it's profitable too.
BYD can build their factories here as other foreign automakers do. Then they should be required to only have union workers. Let China continue its incentives here to keep the costs down. Seems only fair since Tesla has a factory in China. Tesla is an offering a niche for rich Chinese consumers. Why not have BYD offer the niche of small affordable electric cars for lower income car buyers here. Thanks for taking on this not so simple subject of electric Chinese automakers products and the USA market.
American companies don't need to have unionized workers and those provisions of the IRA would never have held up in court. Treat your employees well and they won't need to unionize and you avoid the problems with people abusing the union while being useless. Unions came from a need for unions for decent treatment (partially due to a lack of good labour laws). Forcing unions unnecessarily just adds inefficiency and cost which isnt good for anyone.
@@johndaviscarroll if you feel that BYD should only be able to build factories in the United States if they agree to unionize then why not require Hyundai to be a union shop too. They have had horrible industrial accidents at their US factories.
The UAW is out of control. Its demands are over the top. It’s manipulated the political parties with money taken from their members. Keep that up and they will ruin the U.S. auto industry
16:05 I'm not holding my breath considering the new Capri became a crossover instead of a truly inexpensive, tiny econobox like the spirit of the car was before. If they want more cargo room, bring back the Escort wagon or Focus hatchback.
PREACH!! I totally agree! I am glad you are bringing this to light because I hear the reasons why Chinese cars are not allowed and I don't completely believe they are being up front with us.
Sick of the politicization of EVs. I don't like getting harrassed driving a Tesla because I'm being profiled by MAGA republicans thinking I'm a progressive or on the other extreme, being criticized as a traitor for supporting right wing Elon Musk because I'm driving a used Tesla model 3. This is offensive People should mind their own business.
@@toyotaprius79 Unfortunately the Prius wasn't that much better for the environment, and it wasn't a good car either AFAIK (never drove one). So it was seen as virtue signaling, that's why it was hated by almost everyone. I don't know how much of this is true, I didn't care enough to learn the details, but it wasn't a fast and sexy car that's for sure. But I know that the hate Tesla gets is entirely unjustified. There's room for criticism, as nothing and no one is perfect, but hate is unjustified. 99% of people don't buy Tesla to save the environment, or to support Elon's politics, but because they are just objectively the best cars in the world (assuming they fit your needs). And even politics should be viewed as a good thing. By appealing to the right Elon can sell EVs to them, which is a big win for the planet. Already he's breaking down their walls, even Tucker Carlson and Trump are starting to accept EVs. They are still full of misconceptions, but it's a huge step still, and more will follow. Once you try a Tesla, you don't look back.
Just imagine if GM had not killed the EV1 and then destroyed every unit. Actions meant to stop products that work. This is in contrast tesla is focuses on two pet projects, maybe because the emerald spoon leader is afraid to compete with a serious contender?
@@rp9674 Toyota did: with the electric RAV4 EV. They, and their battery supplier Panasonic, were sued for their trouble. Texaco, bought by Chevron, bought up the NiMH battery patents.
I'm a regular watcher of your TE and TEN channels and part of the reason has been your advocacy for smaller, more sensible EV transport solutions. The trend towards larger SUVs always flew against the need for economical mobility and it has largely transferred to the EV space necessitating ridiculously powerful, energy-wasting power trains. Affordable, economical, lightweight offerings would suit 90% of the population and I wholly support your channels efforts to say so. Keep it up!
Protectionism only damage your own country! Think about this, one country can buy all Their vehicles at half a price of another’s. This country is gonna have huge advantage in a lot of aspects, e.g. cost saving, efficiency, competitive in transport, lower their product costs……..If other countries without tariffs can buy a ute at $20k and the American can only buy at $40k, how can the American compete with other countries？
Why is everyone so concerned with Mary barra, she's not out speaking about politics or taking people's rights away. GM made the best deal in evs, Chevy Bolt.
BYD Seagull is the best EV for the mass market. CareSoft is evaluating this EV. CareSoft made a point about BYD that the cost of the vehicle benefits from Economy of Scale as BYD vehicles are sold in the biggest auto market in the world (China).
BYD has a low price point because they are excessively subsidised, they are about to become much more expensive with tarrifs. An electric car with any kind of side impact is an instant write off, how's that for being environmentally friendly
I found a ChargeDrive video outlining Nissan's and Toyota's efforts on the liquid nitrogen engine tech, and sure enough, Elon's image was plastered on the thumb with some ridiculous turbine looking monstrosity and the fake audience. Make it stop.
I checked out BYD in Mexico where I live in the winter. They are cheaper, looked incredibly nice, BUT, no where near the prices in China. Plus, they still use the Chinese charging standards. Not workable for trips in North America. The salesman said possibly 2026 for CCS1 or NACS. I agree that we need to let the Chinese cars in. Tariffs are only a temporary thing - giving domestic firms a chance to compete in the future. But, we did need to create an alternative source for battery material refining and production. China had 80% of that locked up.
@@rp9674 competition produce enovation, lock yourself in you forever have to paid high price for a car, where over the fence they can buy for 1/3 of the price. now if one company make TV you be paid like 4-5k for a decent size tv... think about that
It's interesting that China has subsidizes of 230 billion USD because when you compare that the US subsidizes for fossil fuels the annual US fossil fuel subsidize is about 3 times the Chinese EV figure, (although I don't think the Chinese figure was an annual figure).
I feel like the true potential of self-driving tech is for transit agencies to put fleets of small EV buses on fixed routes. This would allow more frequent service and more routes, making systems more functional. More routes and frequent service would make transit in places like Metro Detroit finally usable. For passenger car fleets, the EPA needed to shut down the "light truck loophole" 20 years ago. There is a lot the OEM's could do with aerodynamics if fuel economy standards were higher. I finally got a hybrid this year, 2018 C-Max. As a delivery driver, I would have saved thousands on brakes & fuel. Hybrids should have been developed much heavier 20 years ago. Honda & Toyota should have been working with China and the US on upgrading battery tech, instead of stagnating. America needs economic planning.
I agree with the not commuting thing, The only time I use my diesel pickup truck is in the winter to plow snow, I would love to afford an electric vehicle just to go to the grocery store and to town (get plastered at the bar or a two or three) and then jump into an electric car to get to me home autonomously, and if I can't get out of the vehicle and go into the house it will keep me warm until I'm not hungover anymore.
Regarding the fact that a car stands around unused about 98% of the time it is a waste of time, material and energy to build such a car. Not to forget the mean average of CO² emissions and the water needed to build one car: CO2 emissions per car: 5-15 tons Water required per car: 32,000-40,000 liters It's like buying stuff in a grocery store and throwing 98% of what one just bought into the trash just outside of the grocery store. Not giving it to other people. No. Throwing it away. Robotaxis are definitely the future. Less cars needed - and the cars in use are getting used 80% of the time... instead of 2%. And also get cleaned, checked and maintained by professionals.
China doesn’t subsidise its EV’s. They have penalised ICE vehicles by making it hard to get license plates and long waiting lists, and in Shenzen they have banned small electric cars entirely. So in Shenzen a minimum price applies. This is because there would be millions of small vehicles clogging up their cities. They also have some 200 automakers nationwide. So it’s a very competitive market.
@@rp9674 $230 billion divided by number of ev maker divide by number of year ( 2009 to 2022) how much you think each ev company get? byd about get about 4-5b is that enough? (4-5B in 13 yrs period that is nothing) those subsidies are not to make car cheaper to sell aboard. I is to build the technology and survive period until it mature enough to sell.
In Europe we will have litle Cars EV not made in China, Renault Twingo, Citroen E-C3, Renault R5.... Hyundai Will make One Also. VW is like Tesla, the id2 never Came.
Ford isn’t making a small low cost EV. Farley let slip in an interview, that their upcoming compact EV will be produced using large front and rear gigacastings and a new unboxed production method. That is word for word, the exact language that Tesla used during their compact announcement. Farley also said that his keycard wouldn’t work at the new facility. It’s a Tesla operation, plain and simple.
And Toyota is just handing the market over. Their deeply ingrained attitude that Battery Electric Vehicles are not the answer is just reinforced by their self destructive actions. They even built a mediocre EV just to prove their point.
I agree, but sadly America will not let cheap EV's come into America. America forgets we got through the gas crisis buy buying Jamanese and European cars.
Excellent report once again! The US government’s bailout of the US auto industry a while back did not cause our legacy automakers to be leaders in the electric vehicle industry. Then I started thinking we should bail them out again, except this time with strings attached. and then I started thinking we should have a world class passenger rail system first.
We have always criticized China for being the largest greenhouse gas emitter in the world and not doing enough. So now the Chinese government is heavily supporting their own burgenoning EV industry and consumer adoption of green energy, exporting affordable EVs to developing countries like Mexico and South East Asia where the average consumer can’t afford Tesla prices, and now instead of criticizing the Chinese government for doing too little, we are going to criticize them for doing too much? Instead of putting ridiculously high anti-free market tariffs to delay the inevitable, the U.S. needs to do what China does to Tesla. Heavily regulate and put policies in place so that BYD sold cars have to be built by a BYD plant in America, which employs American workers.
Remember the solar fiasco= Low cost today with no product support later. I’d lease one but buying one could leave you without support in a few years. This game is just beginning.
You are an established honest fisherman; you go through your catch everyday taking out poisonous and contaminated fish; I come and I don't sort them out to gain a cost advantage; leaving customers who aren't experts to check the fish. Then my company gets a giant government subsidy you do not; I now cut my price by 50% because my nation wants to run you out of business; not just in my country but every market we are in. Is this the kind of company you want to promote? It is exactly what China is doing; and exactly how BYD and other Chinese makers conduct business.
This issue is that most countries have vehicle manufacturers in their countries and jobs to protect. In Australia, we went through the process between 2014 and 2017, where Mitsubishi, Ford, GM, and Toyota all stopped manufacturing in Australia, so every vehicle is now imported. Whilst a lot of people working in the vehicle industries lost their jobs, because the government at the time decided to stop giving taxpayers dollars to keep propping up manufacturing in Australia, many people were retrained and found other jobs. If there is a silver lining, it's now that we have a lot more choices of vehicle brands and models at competitive prices. I own a BYD Atto 3 extended range, and it's a well-built Ev and a fantastic Ev an all BYD vehicles sold i Australia have a 5 star ANCAP safety rating. I don't worry about my vehicle capturing conversions or data from my vehicle and sending it back to China. It's boring daily stuff. I would be more worried about your Google home assistant or Alexa in your home listening and recording 24/7 and / or your smartphone, too.
Totally agree! US should allow the large Chinese EV makers like BYD and Geely to enter the market with 5 star safety rated EV’s and maybe even add that only LFP batteries will be allowed. Keep a ban on unsafe smaller and newer Chinese companies. The big US automakers have shown they can’t build quality inexpensive EVs for the masses.
Sounds like picking winners which is the worst thing for free markets. Local manufacturing of BYD can and should happen. Tesla makes good EVs but between Elon's politics and slowing growth they cant be the entire industry. IRA is a slap in the face for smart smaller domestic EV makers like Nimbus and Aptera that want to design more efficient transportation but got excluded from huge incentives (this has slowed investment and rollout)
@@ccibinel Geely (owner of Volvo) and BYD have experience in building safe EVs... there are about 5,000 EV companies in China that we have no idea about their quality and the US should't allow a flood of those to enter. Those 3 wheeled vehicles are niche and haven't proven themselves yet (safety, power, etc)
@@TheBXaa The government handing out up to $15,000 (california + IRA) makes it virtually impossible for investment in alternative ideas. You can say they havent proven themselves but with an artificial cliff placed infront of them by flawed government policies it is clear why. Smaller EVs work and do very well in other markets (the fact they are 3 wheels isn't really much of an unknown)
You're absolutely correct for an average citizens, you're only look at a very small angle of the situation. If you're running the country, things are mch much complicated.
Some of us remember national industry dissapearing because of the argument "What's the harm in buying abroard? They've promised not to be evil this time!" Britain used to have an independent aircraft industry, and an independent satallite launch facility. They both got killed got killed off by that argument. (I'm sure other nations have their own versions of this story.) So there is a little more to 'national security' than you are aluding to in your video.
Yup. I'm one of those people who wants a smaller car. I was hoping Tesla would come out with their smaller 25K car but of course you know who keeps delaying it. So much for the democratization of EVs. Even if they come out with one, I will not buy one till elon is no longer the CEO of Tesla. Anyway, I can't believe that everyone in America wants a giant SUV. I believe that there's a market for small EVs but since they aren't being made, no one can buy one. Oh well.
I think of several friends making over $200k proud of the fact they would never consider an ev without the $7,000.00 incentive. They got one over on the government, not realizing WE are the financial source funding their wealth savings. At least a couple of them have stated the poor can't afford an electric vehicle anyway. That's just the way the world work. Out of a cohort of 12-18 ev owners that I meet with, only one earns under $40k and/or doesn't have a pretty good 401k. Such a [economically limited] person is considered an outlier example, but not normative. ---Myself, I use to feel electric bikes (etc) were a distraction from support for electric cars. Now I realize they are a valid gateway and valid in and of themselves to viable electric transportation. I've encountered several people who have told me having an electric scooter made a dramatic difference in their life. Additionally they Like the fact they weren't contributing to man made climate change to the degree others were. Bottom line... we are in this together and nobody wins, unless we all win. Springsteen paraphrase.
E-bikes got completely left out of the EV credit bill because exurban voters have twice the pull of urban voters. Cities need to take action on their own to make better urbanism and fight the state governments if it comes to that.
No thanks. No dumping products at below cost for me. When governments are paying the development costs, it creates an uneven playing field. It’s ok for someone like yourself who never designed, made, or sold anything in your whole life but dumping products below costs does matter to those who actually do. People who make money running their mouths don’t really know what it takes to bring a product to market. They can afford to be whimsical about anti-competitive measures. When they come for her, her lifestyle, and her livelihood, then she’ll become equally passionate about the matter.
Mainstream buyers will buy EVs if it meets 3 conditions. Condition 1 is that the cost of an EV has to be equivalent to a similar petrol vehicle. Condition 2 is that the range of an EV has to be equivalent to a similar petrol vehicle (especially in extreme weather conditions). Finally, the time to fully charge an EV is equivalent to the time that it takes to filling up a petrol vehicle with gas. For the mainstream buyer, this would simply be a plug and play where using an EV is no different to a petrol vehicle much like what hybrids are today to petrol vehicles. The idea is to make the easy transition to an EV. If there are too many limitations on how to use EV over a petrol vehicle, then the mainstream buyer will simply skip an EV.
You always make good videos guys but I particularly liked this one. Thought provoking and all very true. Certain CEO's have been proven by their deeds and actions, to not be that serious about making affordable EV'S. Not yet anyway. Also as an aside, I'm sure all that pollution given off by their space rockets test flights etc, aren't the most green of vehicles. You're right, what people need are more affordable EVs. Please keep the great content coming. Thank you.
I agree with the entire video. I love my little Mini Cooper... I wish I could get an EV like that here in the US. But I need more range than the 100 miles Mini Electic offers. (A 100 mile round trip day isn't an odd thing in the USA, that's just the sate of our infrastructure and urban design.) I'd happily give up the quirky tech and fake "luxury" for a basic AppleCarPlay/AndroidAuto screen, and the manufacturer's software can concentrate on the car's systems, and not worry about infotainment and navigation. (They're generally several years behind the desired tech in that regard anyway.) ... Give me a small, cheap car with good (by USA standards) range and a big-ish screen that can mirror my phone. That's all I want for my daily driver.
I am all for competition in the EV space, especially if it drives prices down. However, how does China afford to build a $40,000 car for $20,000? They may be getting some help from the Chinese government, I have real concerns about possibilities of worker exploitation.
Unlike legacy manufacturers, the Chinese companies like BYD are completely vertically integrated producing, almost every part in-house like batteries, electronics, motors etc, meaning they are much cheaper to build and have profit margins legacy manufacturers would kill for and can also develop new models at an incredible pace. Telsa's success is largely based on copying the Chinese model and even use BYD blade batteries in their European produced model Y's.
US automakers learned nothing from the 70s. They dismissed Japanese cars. They did the same to Korean cars. And they are doing it with Chinese cars.
Actually, they arent. But their response is to bribe congress to give tariff barriers rather than compete.
@@tony_25or6to4 My take is that American CEOs get the big bucks regardless of performance, so the incentive to to NEVER rock the boat.
Short term stock performance for big bonuses. Who cares about the long term survivability of the corporations?
@@4-SeasonNature Exactly
@@tony_25or6to4 Chinese cars are dangerous, but no bad info is allowed out of the country. I feel that this person is being paid to say these things and Some of it is untrue, Or this is not researched properly. This is not an independen Review
My last cars have been a Toyota Celica and Honda Accord. I recently drove a BYD Dolphin whereas the attention to finishing details are not quite as good, it is still very nice. And the (wife) really loves it because there's no more smelly gas stations / lines, no more maintenance details (spark plugs, oil filters, air filters, transmission fluid, motor oil, ....), it's just drive it home and plug it in. Their electric increase cost represented about 1/4th to 1/5th of the cost of gasoline from their Toyota Yaris.
Glad you are taking about BYD. BYD will continue to improve their EVs and will sell them where they are allowed. If there is no competition in the lower priced EVs in North America, the big three auto makers will continue to fall behind in battery tech and EV tech. The big three will eventually only be selling their vehicles in the protected USA. They will be shut out of the rest of the world.
Only selling in America? It already happened! Come to South East Asia, you would be lucky to see any american made on the road.
When a quality small car is on the showroom floor, people will buy them. (Corolla, Camry, Civic, Bolt) Legacy brands only want to sell product where the profit margin is maximized. Too bad for the consumer.
Weirdly, the Bolt wasn't an "affordable EV" until GM put them on clearance sale before end of production last year. Before that, GM was asking $40k for them and barely selling 20k per year.
Bolt production was extended one year. The 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EUV starts at $33,500, that was its first year, it wasn't a clearance sale
Camry, small?
Theres no money in small cars.
Yukon - small, Yukon XL - mid size. Murrica!
An interesting perspective on human rights is that, given all of the negatives you mentioned, they also lifted 800 million people out of poverty in the last 40 years.
China has done some nasty work towards its minority by increasing their population, their income, and allowing them to enter university with lower points, on top of giving them scholarships with much lenient requirements. The world must come together to condemn China!
China has done some nasty work towards its minority by increasing their population, their income, and allowing them to enter university with lower points, on top of giving them scholarships with much lenient requirements. The world must come together to condemn China!
@@hndit2u what an excellent point.
No they didnt lift 800 Million Out of poverty!
@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl please go to China and see with your own eyes. Compare that with 30 years ago
I live in France. My wife and I drive a pair of once top-of-the-line Citroëns that are beginning to show their age. We’re going to trade one of them in, buying an EV in its place. We want a nice, reasonable family car. A couple of years ago, there were hardly any available, but now there are lots. The presence of MG (now a middle-of-the-road Chinese brand) has contributed to European manufacturers putting "nice, reasonable family EVs" on the market.
Interestingly, several solid Stellantis (Peugeot, Fiat, Opel, Alfa Romeo, … ) products are available in Europe, that are NOT available in the USA. Renault is not present in the US. Mercedes and BMW are costly. Tough luck, Americans.
But hey! You can buy a Hummer!
We’re looking closely at the Renault Scenic. If you want to know what this is, there are lots of English-language RUclips videos online, because the car is sold in the UK and Ireland. It will cost us about €40 000, or $43 600, INCLUDING a 20 % value-added-tax. (Kinda like a sales tax.) That price also includes a €4000 EV incentive from the French government. It's not a tax rebate - it's a straight-up deduction. Considering the exchange rate and taxes, the Scenic's price is about $36 000. It's a NICE car, so that's a good price.
We're long-distance snowbirds, spending several months every year in the sunny US Southwest. We have a condo there. We drive a ten-year-old Buick Encore. Nice little car - quiet and comfortable, But it's getting old, too. If we have to change it, we won't get an EV because they're just too F-ing expensive in the US. We don't qualify for any tax rebate, since we pay our taxes in France.
I remember, fifty years ago, when Japanese cars overwhelmed American manufacturers. Americans consumers wanted cheap but competent cars. For a decade, American manufacturers ignored what was happening, as CEOs took their huge retirement packages, while never rocking the boat. The Japanese captured a third of the market, before the government stepped in with… tariffs.
We've seen this movie before…...
An all electric Citroen C5X would be nice even an IDEAL family ev for Stellantis, if not at a fortune less competitive than the comparable "Chinese EC"
@@toyotaprius79 The Citroën e-C3 Aircross isn't as nice as the Scenic, but it's MUCH less expensive.
@@bobnelsonfrthe Scenic is definitely OTT, at least €50,000 here in Ireland. I remember when it was the quirky big bum family car.
@@bobnelsonfrI think the new eC3 deserves some actual criticism because being competitively affordable and "small" is not enough if we consider how it is an Indian market SUV that is being advertised as an upper crust and boutique SUV, pushed the same way how SUVs were idolised in Western countries and shooting ourselves in the foot. It's not as nice as the old C3 Picasso for that matter.
An EV MPV C4 Picasso is sorely needed. A regular supermini C3 would be nice too; and a C2, C1, CZero and an Ami that isn't a literal glorified Playmobil with 48v but a minimalist car in many ways like the 2CV/Ami
@@toyotaprius79 That's strange. Completely specified to the max (including stuff I don't want, such as the electrochromic sunroof, the big battery, and the big motor} the configuration shows just over €45 000 here in France.
Hi Nikki! It’s Rick from the declining oil capitol of the world and emerging renewables capitol of the world Houston, Texas. Well said Nikki! Yes, protection of the U.S. car market and enrichment of the Detroit big 2 1/2’s shareholders are EXACTLY what this is all about. Just like in the 70s when Japan out maneuvered Detroit with affordable high quality low emissions economy cars, China is now doing it. China has done what Elon Musk has failed to do and we are constantly gaslit into believing a $42,000 base Model 3 is “affordable”. Time to drop, or at least substantially reduce, the tariffs on cheap Chinese EVs for a line of car that Detroit is simply not interested in building so the rest of us can buy a car that won’t break the bank.
Kudos, well said!
Long Range RWD Model 3 is $35k after the instant federal tax credit. That is affordable for most new car buyers, IMO. Of course, used cars are more affordable than new, and there are Model 3, Chevy Bolt EVs, and other EVs available for under $20k, some under $10k.
@@georgepelton5645, even it it dropped the MSRP it’s a bridge way too far for me and I am an EV enthusiast going back to the days of the EV-1.
@@radiotec76 EV-1 was lease only, of course. However the MSRP was about $0-45k IIRC. Also, the required L2 EVSE to charge with the (overly complicated and expensive IMO) “Magnacharge” paddle was $5000 + install costs. So maybe $50k in 1998 dollars, IF they would have sold one. $35k of inflated 2024 dollars for a Model 3 is way more car for the money.
I live in the Antelope Valley in California, not too far from BYD's factory in Lancaster California, and I've wished for a while that they could expand that factory and build more of BYD's cars (they currently build buses and medium trucks there).
Unfortunately, anti-china sentiment is a powerful political force, even locally here. And I do think that concerns about the effect of Chinese cars on the US auto industry are definitely not without merit.
But I do really think that allowing BYD and other Chinese companies to open factories in the US would actually help the US auto industry, similar to the way that Japanese car companies opening factories in America did.
As an aside, I've seen a BYD sedan driving up the 14 twice, and I've seen a BYD van of some kind tooling around the back roads in West Lancaster. So it seems like they're at least considering bringing their cars to the US.
@MrDRSMAX just as China did 40 years ago, US can require Chinese brands to form JV with American auto makers. it could benefit both sides.
USA doesn’t want it,that’s all that needs to be said.
BYD is going to buy Chrysler and maybe Dodge. They’ve already been touring the factories.
I gather that Tersla have/going to have left an empty factory in California that could be used to build BYD cars too.
We are a family of 4 and our daily drivers are a Bolt EV and Mach-E. This combo allows me to handle a large amount of stuff and go on road trips with the Mach-E. I don't understand households that live in my area driving around a pair of F150s or a Grand Wagoneer + Grand Cherokee.
People used to put a family of five in a small economy car, now people have one baby and buy a Yukon XL
I believe you do understand (and hopefully cherish it), it's the exact same reason you're not walking or riding a bicycle to work, school, the store, etc... Freedom to live your life as you care to.
@@cruzctrl2 They will never understand why people Perfer Safety and Utility for what ever may come, all they want to do is use politics to push their Adjenda on us while claiming EV's have become too political. Boy the Hypocrisy I know what you mean as we just want to be left alone ! Stop telling us what to buy, Stop telling me that I don't need This or That, that we don't drive enough miles or too many miles. Power and Control is all the Green Eco Part wants.
@@cruzctrl2 i love walking, but then i live in a walkable city, which is honestly alot of fun, you don't have to prepare anything to go out, it just feel so casual. but to make a city walkable is hard, it has to be crime safe, and well build up. the underground here basically cover the entire city, i can stay indoor from one end of the city to the other. fact is american and european cities are build a long time ago makes rebuilding the urban core an impossibly expensive proposition... if I were a governor, I would push to build entirely new cities as that might be cheaper to do so! sadly governor don't get 20 years to realise such massive undertaking. the political system does not favor long term development goals...
It's because of the chicken tax and cafe standards. They make having smaller commercial vehicles impossible
BYD is coming to Canada, and I'll be watching that with interest. But, until I see the build quality and rust resistance, I'll be keeping my Bolt euv, which it's working fine.
North American automakers have received $billions in taxpayer handouts.
United States fossil fuel subsidies range from $10 billion to $52 billion annually
Thousands of Chinese ICE cars are currently being sold in US, and build quality and rust have not been an issue.
It you believe GM products have superior rust-proof bodywork and finishes compared to global suppliers, I have some Florida swampland on offer to add to your portfolio.
Bolts are holding up great here in s California
@@zsedcify - I'm surprised how well Bolts are built, lasting, and holding up against rust; maybe it's just Orion assembly doing a great job. I didn't expect the great fit and finish my Bolt euv has.
Well said. In the 1950-70s, protectionism gave the US generations of wallowy wasteful oversized cars with terrible primary safety. And then the dam burst… The current round of punitive tariffs risks setting up a similar disaster for domestic manufacturers down the road.
+1 for enshittification
IN the 50's we didn't have protectionism that you imply, the first round of the import revolution started in the mid-50s with the VW and Renault being the second biggest seller by 1960. This include a large number of mini and micro cars from Germany, a lot of french cars. The US automakers responded to this by creating larger but still economical cars, like the Valiant, Falcon and Corvair. IF we did have protections in the US, we would never have seen a mustang or smaller cars like the Dart, or going into the 70s cars like the maverick and we would not have had the second import revolution in the mid-70s from Japan.
In the 50s, a man could afford to support 5 children, a none working wife, a new car & buy a family house in a tier one city paid off in under 10 years. All on an average wage.
@@SunRise-ul7ko Yes, everything was better in the 1950s. The war in Korea that was threatening to become WWIII. The cold war. The duck and cover drills for school kids. The polio. Thalidomide. Love Canal. Minamata disease. Poverty. WWII veterans. Rise of communism. Etc. But, for many Americans, Eisenhower, the last real Republican, life was better. The country was improving. Then came reagan (R), the attack on the middle class, the attack on government (for profit services are "better"), the attack on education (the biggest ticket for middle class advancement), closing of public (mental) hospitals, trickle down economics (oddly called "neoliberalism"), privatization of government, tax cuts for the rich/corporations, the attack on labor unions (PATCO, et al), ... and that's continued on to this day with tax cuts for the rich, continued. Attack on education, continued. Attack on labor/unions, continued. More privatization of government (with increased costs and less transparency of private companies), etc. Yeah, so if you have selective memory and want to re-write history, have at it. You can't cancel those of us who were there.
@@LastTrueConservative-or4psare you blind to all of the similar scandals going on right now!??
Maybe citizens aren't currently doing bomb shelter drills, but it's a very poorly maintained veneer of safety...
It's common knowledge that the whole world is freaking out about a potential invasion in the south china sea and if Taiwan is involved, likely so is the USA (and the world!) 😢
I personally like BYD’s cars, and I love how the Chinese prioritize the back seat room on so many models (from what I understand anyway). No, it’s not because I’m some high ranking executive banker. Rather, as someone with mobility issues who cannot drive, having something with a lot of back seat room where I don’t have to jimmy in and out with difficulty would be a huge win. Plus? They just look neat 😊
It's a show of higher class. Just like the Build Your Dreams on the back of the car, it's tells the people driving behind you that you're better than them.
My friend who wants to minimize his environmental impacts but wants a new car said he’ll probably get a Chevy Trax. He thinks EVs are too expensive.
I need to try again to ask him to consider a used Bolt.
Automakers should be doing more EV educating, federal government should be doing more EV educating. People need more than "EVs good", I work with people much younger than me that are clueless on EVS. Need specifics of range, how you charge, basics
He's right that new Kona EV and Equinox EV are both too expensive compared to a new Trax ICE. What am I missing? What's the cheapest new all electric car available in the US in 2024?
@@rp9674 I do not think so. Elon said it a while ago. You need a compelling, a racy, a over the top fast and furious slick sleek and sick car for the youngsters. And Tesla delivered. Just watch those Beemers and Audis being "smoked".
Older, adult people want to know abot charging, efficiency, range, sustainability and TCO.
The posers, the Mustang, Jeep, Raptor, RAM and Charger buyers must be covinced by "I have the faster one and can smoke you from here to Nebraska you loser!"
Nissan leaf, it gets you there
Tesla served as a halo car for all EVs, of course it's not for everyone and not my choice.
Nikki,
You really hit this one on the head!
Living in the U. S. Is living in the affordable EV desert. Nothing much under 35K and usually 45 K.
I think the tariffs are a joke as China does not pay them the buyer does.
If you wanted to incentives and tariffs, perhaps the IRA model would be appropriate, just in reverse. Decrease the tariff year by year for say 5 years to O%. This way US carmakers are put on notice to get their stuff together. If they don't that becomes their problem.
We can still put incentives on the hood for American made.
I do have an Aptera reservation, though I'm not holding my breath about it. If a used EV pops up for me I may try that instead.
I live in the State where more EVs are purchased than any other and I'm still driving ICE because it just does not make any sense to to spend 40k when mine is paid for and running fine.
We are in that same state, you should get a used Bolt EV, the prices are good. We did, it has been such a great vehicle, and saved us so much on maintenance and fuel. Plus EVs are so much nicer to drive, and can charge at home...
I like your suggestion for a fade-out of the tariff protection. Time is running out anyway for them to offer competitive options, as the “domestic” brands may soon find their only market is the US.
Small affordable vehicles are what's needed here in North America. That includes cars, suv's, small trucks like a 1970 type of Toyota or Datsun and large trucks such as the F150. However, vehicle manufacturers need to stop adding a whole bunch of electronic stuff so one can buy a simple vehicle (lower cost) if they want it. For example manual windows, manual seat adjustment, simple heating/air conditioning etc. Put smaller motors in instead of a motor that will get you from 0 to 100 km in 4 or 5 seconds. Who the hell needs that? Most people want a car to haul their kids, groceries etc. Others just want to haul some soil for their garden, a few boards or drywall for a small project or a bit of camping gear for the weekend. Use gearing to get the performance needed. We don't need to drive race capable vehicles for everyday use! Have an option list for those who want to get the latest and greatest, fastest, most advanced etc etc etc. Make the options affordable and it's a win/win for all.
FWIW I bought a new 1972 Datsun (Nissan) pickup in September of 1972 for $2800.00 taxes in. The only option I chose was a block heater. I had that truck for many years and it served me well. Just maintenance costs and great gas mileage and little to no repairs.
We need more like that. Only electric :-)
We had Chevy bolt, under $30k, sold a lot should have sold much more. We had our chance
I agree completely! But the shareholders want 500% profit and all the gadgets are what gets them that. I hate that china may be the only ones to produce an affordable electric car.
@@jimgoff1170 Dont forget recurring revenue from the subscription to unlock the heated seats...
It's crazy that manufacturers felt they had to stop making small cars and focus on suvs and electric things.
I would love to see some wagon models come out as well as I need something that will fit my father's scooter and the groceries we get on senior day at the store.
Ford CEO says we need to fall in love with small cars again. Meanwhile, they don't have a single sedan or hatchback in their lineup.
In China they subsidize the manufacture of EVs by reducing the tax load of the manufacturers.
In the US, they subsidize the purchase of superyachts by billionaires by reducing the tax load on the billionaires.
Clearly, America has the winning strategy!
Ah, you know most of those EVs are rotting away in the Chinese countryside. The manufacturers title them so they can be marked as sold and then they are abandoned, left to rot by the literal millions, and this is a simple fact. Look it up. Reason being is to gain access to said subsidies along with the desire to inflate sales numbers by the government. What happens to all that money? Well the owners “flee with the cash” as the Chinese say, leaving those behind unpaid, and ultimately come to other counties like the US to buy the mega yachts and start their next business.
@@mysock351C Correct, they move to Floriduh and help jack up the economy...Trump's favorite kind of customer
As I've said many times, I can understand the push to bolster American jobs and American manufacturing, but at this point we have NO time to lose to mitigate the climate crisis. We need "all hands on deck" to eliminate tailpipes worldwide, and if that means some -even most- of those hands are Chinese… so be it.
Good point, but we can do both, we are USA. Highly qualified and controlled Chinese automakers in us, abiding by our laws and not abusing workers. Maybe contingent on behaving better internationally
You mean the same country that is currently building hundreds of coal fired power plants, and is the world's number one producer of CO2, and growing, sure that is going to help the climate.
Not a China super fan, but facts is facts - China is the world's leader in renewable energy production, generating more than three times as much as the second-ranked country, the United States. That China.
@@Ray-dv1md I'm very glad to know that you are truly concerned about mitigating the climate crisis and do not dismiss it as a "hoax"!
@@Yanquetino But it is a hoax. Follow the money. Which country is making hundreds of billions feeding bullshit solutions to the climate cultists, CHINA.
Wise words falling on deaf ears.
Cheers
The problem with legacy automakers in the US is they have yet to redesign their cars for EV use.
Be really interesting to see the T3. Overall the F150 lightning is a good EV and the T3 will be ground up. That said we need smaller vehicles for most people.
@Robinpettit7827: I can’t tell if you’re trolling or uninformed. First off, the Nissan LEAF was a completely new EV-specific platform. Second, all EGMP vehicles like the Ioniq 5 & Ioniq 6, Kia EV 6, etc, are built on an EV-specific platform. Third, the Chevy Bolt was also an EV-specific platform. Fourth, the current Blazer EV is based in GM’s Ultium platform, which is EV only. So where the hell do you get the notion that “legacy automakers (…) have yet to redesign their cars for EV use”?
@@jacobcarlson4010 Regardless not a lot of ground up EVs from legacy and their production and dealership support has left a lot to be desired. The Leaf platform is now 15 years old and it shows. GM promised 25 EV models in 2025... ya that isnt gonna happen.
@@ccibinel: “not a lot of ground up EVs” is very different from (paraphrasing) “there are absolutely no EVs made from scratch” as Robin said. And the age of the LEAF platform does not change the fact that it IS an EV-only platform.
There are very few that have gone away from current design standards. Even the leaf and bolt are basically designed like ice cars. The shape is the same.
The arguement against Chinese built cars kinda fails rapidly once you realise that in Australia, all Teslas are made there. We can't even claim tariffs for protectionism because "what domestic auto manufacturing?"
I'm an American. I live in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. All Australian Teslas are made in China. There are no cars domestically built here. Everything is imported. You are patently wrong. Try again...
@@vernonhampton6973That's what the comment said. Read again.....
Remember when Australia had a automotive industry.
I would even go further by saying Chinese made Teslas have less panel gaps than the US made ones. Also newer models come out in China before the US such as model 3 highland.
@@i6power30 Agreed. Tesla had a reputation for poor build quality. As soon as Australia started sourcing their cars from Chinese factories, build quality was massively better and no one talks about build quality problem anymore.
Join BYD manufacturing here in America and be the world car revolution. Taxes on them is like prohibiting digital camera and going back to Kodak film
Good points. Also worth mentioning is the fact that the Big Three have actively fought against regulations for fuel efficiency as well as EVs.
Id say that was a very thorough analysis, Nikki and couldn't agree more. Bang On The Money! 🎯
0:16 another thing you'll need to do is keep the klump out of the white house. sending him there the first time was a mistake, allowing him in the oval office again would be inexcusably stupid.
He would raise tariffs which could push a global recession forward. Bad news for all.
@@gregripp i wouldn't be surprised if all the MAGA idiots voted for the klump, opening the oval office door for him. if that happens, the whole world will be worse off.
He is a maniac. Scary in fact.
Didn't Biden administration put a terrific or tax on Chinese cars recently...think it's 100%. They also did not invite to the EV summit not even talk with Elon Musk the absolutely most qualified person to transition the US to electric. The summit was in the beginning ofnhis term when Elon had said no provoking words yet the administration didn't invite him because they were paid off by legacy auto and unions.....they are crooked as can be. Now they overly investigate Elon with the SEc, FBI, CIA...etc just because he supports freedom of speach which it was proven that the democratic administration controls in the media and did control during the last election. You need to open your eyes....both parties are crooked and corrupt. I wish JFK could win.
BYD must have the necessary service infrastructure in place in the USA before I would even consider buying one.
God, how I want GM to bring the Bolt back with basically the same footprint and price-point as the outgoing one...
only cooler looking and, ideally, more aerodynamic. Like a CD of 0.25 or less. I know it's more difficult because it's a short hatchback, but I'm sure they could figure something out.
The Bolt's "price point" was $40k.
It wasnt affordable until GM put it on clearance sale before end of production.
New batteries and power train isn't going to be the same price as old car on clearance.
@@CSHarvey it progressively got cheaper over time. The 2022 started at about $32k and the 2023 started at $26.5k. The 2023 EUV started at $27.8. Do you think they're really going to try and charge $40k for it when the Equinox EV will start at $35k?
Agree but once you start adding Bots like make it better looking or faster charging, not fair to expect them to charge the same price. Prius Prime starts at $33K and that's just a plug-in hybrid, because it's pretty and has huge Wheels
Bolt is back in 2025.
@@xaionik Itll be called a Bolt but it will have nothing in common with a Bolt. And price wont be low either.
US auto industries suffer serious dementia despite so many setbacks at the cost of consumers. We are the 1st country selling 6000lb electric guzzling SUV, which is a total oxymoron, and no one seems to notice why we are misdirected.🤪
Misdirected, good word like the people have spoken they want hybrids, but do they really or is it because they've been fed disinformation from oil companies and automakers that want to continue making highly profitable gas pigs
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It's hopeful to me that China is forcing the EV market. I hope Ford decides to make a Maverick EV, or that one car maker that sells in the US would offer a small truck EV. Those F150 Lightnings are works of art, but I'd be a driver who didn't use most of one.
Stellantis are now making that kind trucks for work in Portugal.
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No, the Jaguar XK-E was a work of art. Ford trucks are tons of lead.
I'm crossing my fingers that Telo gets the funding they need to produce their truck. A small truck with an 8 ft box and great approach/departure angle that is the side of a BMW mini would be amazingly useful.
How is the Lightning a work of art? It looks exactly like a diesel F-150, and it's not nearly as well engineered as a Tesla. It's a good pickup, hard to criticize, but nothing exceptional. Except that it costs twice to make it than it sells for. That's why Ford is cutting back production.
Now the Cybertruck is a different story. It has a controversial design, but most people in the real world seem to like it, it's full of innovation, it's very good in almost anything, much more versatile than a diesel pickup, and it's profitable too.
BYD can build their factories here as other foreign automakers do. Then they should be required to only have union workers. Let China continue its incentives here to keep the costs down. Seems only fair since Tesla has a factory in China. Tesla is an offering a niche for rich Chinese consumers. Why not have BYD offer the niche of small affordable electric cars for lower income car buyers here. Thanks for taking on this not so simple subject of electric Chinese automakers products and the USA market.
American companies don't need to have unionized workers and those provisions of the IRA would never have held up in court. Treat your employees well and they won't need to unionize and you avoid the problems with people abusing the union while being useless. Unions came from a need for unions for decent treatment (partially due to a lack of good labour laws). Forcing unions unnecessarily just adds inefficiency and cost which isnt good for anyone.
@@johndaviscarroll if you feel that BYD should only be able to build factories in the United States if they agree to unionize then why not require Hyundai to be a union shop too. They have had horrible industrial accidents at their US factories.
The UAW is out of control. Its demands are over the top. It’s manipulated the political parties with money taken from their members. Keep that up and they will ruin the U.S. auto industry
THE US DOES NOT NEED SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUSTING CARS FROM BYD!
American needs BYD, but US government needs money From oil companies 😅
What an excellent video. Down with wealthy CEO salaries! Up with affordable little cars!
16:05 I'm not holding my breath considering the new Capri became a crossover instead of a truly inexpensive, tiny econobox like the spirit of the car was before. If they want more cargo room, bring back the Escort wagon or Focus hatchback.
I enjoyed my escort wagon with its five speed manual. It was good on fuel and carried all my audio gear.
PREACH!!
I totally agree! I am glad you are bringing this to light because I hear the reasons why Chinese cars are not allowed and I don't completely believe they are being up front with us.
Politic away, we need multiple perspectives to get to the messy business of progress.
Progress is not advanced with stagflation / recession . That is here now.
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Nope. Progress is faster than ever, and that alone will pull the economy out of any recession.
@@andrasbiro3007 SuperTramp Dreamer
@@mikewallace8087
I'm pretty sure that's not a word.
And you are ignoring reality.
Do ends justify the means?
I see a lot of BYDs in Thailand. They are awesome cars!! I really wish I could buy one in the US
You make too much sense. 👍👍
Long range and fast charge is how you convince people that EV can be their only car
Sick of the politicization of EVs. I don't like getting harrassed driving a Tesla because I'm being profiled by MAGA republicans thinking I'm a progressive or on the other extreme, being criticized as a traitor for supporting right wing Elon Musk because I'm driving a used Tesla model 3. This is offensive People should mind their own business.
Remember the amount of sheer psycho hate that the Prius and its drivers used to get?
Imagine having an internet username named after one 🙃
@@toyotaprius79 it’s 2024 and ridiculous to have the MAGA politicize EV purchases. Stupid morons.
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Unfortunately the Prius wasn't that much better for the environment, and it wasn't a good car either AFAIK (never drove one). So it was seen as virtue signaling, that's why it was hated by almost everyone. I don't know how much of this is true, I didn't care enough to learn the details, but it wasn't a fast and sexy car that's for sure.
But I know that the hate Tesla gets is entirely unjustified. There's room for criticism, as nothing and no one is perfect, but hate is unjustified. 99% of people don't buy Tesla to save the environment, or to support Elon's politics, but because they are just objectively the best cars in the world (assuming they fit your needs).
And even politics should be viewed as a good thing. By appealing to the right Elon can sell EVs to them, which is a big win for the planet. Already he's breaking down their walls, even Tucker Carlson and Trump are starting to accept EVs. They are still full of misconceptions, but it's a huge step still, and more will follow. Once you try a Tesla, you don't look back.
Thank you.
Just imagine if GM had not killed the EV1 and then destroyed every unit. Actions meant to stop products that work. This is in contrast tesla is focuses on two pet projects, maybe because the emerald spoon leader is afraid to compete with a serious contender?
Another way to look at it what if the EV1 had been supported or other automakers had taken inspiration and joined in
@@rp9674 Toyota did: with the electric RAV4 EV.
They, and their battery supplier Panasonic, were sued for their trouble.
Texaco, bought by Chevron, bought up the NiMH battery patents.
I'm a regular watcher of your TE and TEN channels and part of the reason has been your advocacy for smaller, more sensible EV transport solutions. The trend towards larger SUVs always flew against the need for economical mobility and it has largely transferred to the EV space necessitating ridiculously powerful, energy-wasting power trains. Affordable, economical, lightweight offerings would suit 90% of the population and I wholly support your channels efforts to say so. Keep it up!
Protectionism only damage your own country! Think about this, one country can buy all Their vehicles at half a price of another’s. This country is gonna have huge advantage in a lot of aspects, e.g. cost saving, efficiency, competitive in transport, lower their product costs……..If other countries without tariffs can buy a ute at $20k and the American can only buy at $40k, how can the American compete with other countries？
BYD Yes That'll end Mary Barra's overstuffed pay packet!
Why is everyone so concerned with Mary barra, she's not out speaking about politics or taking people's rights away. GM made the best deal in evs, Chevy Bolt.
@@rp9674 What about other GM EVs?
Equinox EV is nice
BYD Seagull is the best EV for the mass market. CareSoft is evaluating this EV. CareSoft made a point about BYD that the cost of the vehicle benefits from Economy of Scale as BYD vehicles are sold in the biggest auto market in the world (China).
BYD has a low price point because they are excessively subsidised, they are about to become much more expensive with tarrifs. An electric car with any kind of side impact is an instant write off, how's that for being environmentally friendly
I found a ChargeDrive video outlining Nissan's and Toyota's efforts on the liquid nitrogen engine tech, and sure enough, Elon's image was plastered on the thumb with some ridiculous turbine looking monstrosity and the fake audience. Make it stop.
Thanks
I checked out BYD in Mexico where I live in the winter. They are cheaper, looked incredibly nice, BUT, no where near the prices in China. Plus, they still use the Chinese charging standards. Not workable for trips in North America. The salesman said possibly 2026 for CCS1 or NACS.
I agree that we need to let the Chinese cars in. Tariffs are only a temporary thing - giving domestic firms a chance to compete in the future.
But, we did need to create an alternative source for battery material refining and production. China had 80% of that locked up.
They make great cars, they have potential but I'm very wary of giving them the keys to the country
@@rp9674 competition produce enovation, lock yourself in you forever have to paid high price for a car, where over the fence they can buy for 1/3 of the price.
now if one company make TV you be paid like 4-5k for a decent size tv... think about that
It's interesting that China has subsidizes of 230 billion USD because when you compare that the US subsidizes for fossil fuels the annual US fossil fuel subsidize is about 3 times the Chinese EV figure, (although I don't think the Chinese figure was an annual figure).
230 billion over 13 years divide by about 200 ev maker uhm sound like that a lot per company....😂😂😂
@@jetli740 better than spending many time more than that on fossil fuels.
I feel like the true potential of self-driving tech is for transit agencies to put fleets of small EV buses on fixed routes. This would allow more frequent service and more routes, making systems more functional. More routes and frequent service would make transit in places like Metro Detroit finally usable. For passenger car fleets, the EPA needed to shut down the "light truck loophole" 20 years ago. There is a lot the OEM's could do with aerodynamics if fuel economy standards were higher. I finally got a hybrid this year, 2018 C-Max. As a delivery driver, I would have saved thousands on brakes & fuel. Hybrids should have been developed much heavier 20 years ago. Honda & Toyota should have been working with China and the US on upgrading battery tech, instead of stagnating. America needs economic planning.
Thank you for your time. Lovely to hear your news.
I agree with the not commuting thing, The only time I use my diesel pickup truck is in the winter to plow snow, I would love to afford an electric vehicle just to go to the grocery store and to town (get plastered at the bar or a two or three) and then jump into an electric car to get to me home autonomously, and if I can't get out of the vehicle and go into the house it will keep me warm until I'm not hungover anymore.
Regarding the fact that a car stands around unused about 98% of the time it is a waste of time, material and energy to build such a car. Not to forget the mean average of CO² emissions and the water needed to build one car:
CO2 emissions per car: 5-15 tons
Water required per car: 32,000-40,000 liters
It's like buying stuff in a grocery store and throwing 98% of what one just bought into the trash just outside of the grocery store. Not giving it to other people. No. Throwing it away.
Robotaxis are definitely the future. Less cars needed - and the cars in use are getting used 80% of the time... instead of 2%. And also get cleaned, checked and maintained by professionals.
The 100% tariff on Chinese EV's in USA hurts American consumers. Too bad.
China doesn’t subsidise its EV’s. They have penalised ICE vehicles by making it hard to get license plates and long waiting lists, and in Shenzen they have banned small electric cars entirely. So in Shenzen a minimum price applies. This is because there would be millions of small vehicles clogging up their cities. They also have some 200 automakers nationwide. So it’s a very competitive market.
China has subsidized its electric vehicle (EV) industry with over $230 billion in aid and government subsidies
Which is a FAR better policy since it encourages everything that isnt an EV at the same time.
@@rp9674 $230 billion divided by number of ev maker divide by number of year ( 2009 to 2022)
how much you think each ev company get? byd about get about 4-5b is that enough? (4-5B in 13 yrs period that is nothing) those subsidies are not to make car cheaper to sell aboard. I is to build the technology and survive period until it mature enough to sell.
Only in Shanghai or Beijing. you probably live in a low density urban area so you have no idea what happen when streets are overcrowded.
In Europe we will have litle Cars EV not made in China, Renault Twingo, Citroen E-C3, Renault R5.... Hyundai Will make One Also. VW is like Tesla, the id2 never Came.
Smart, small cars are fun too
Ford isn’t making a small low cost EV. Farley let slip in an interview, that their upcoming compact EV will be produced using large front and rear gigacastings and a new unboxed production method. That is word for word, the exact language that Tesla used during their compact announcement. Farley also said that his keycard wouldn’t work at the new facility. It’s a Tesla operation, plain and simple.
If you do buy a BYD and you live in the Rust Belt of USA, make sure that the frame is made of galvanized steel.
Very happy to have BYD in Australia. 👍😉😊
Byd it's going after Toyota not Tesla
It is...
And Toyota is just handing the market over. Their deeply ingrained attitude that Battery Electric Vehicles are not the answer is just reinforced by their self destructive actions. They even built a mediocre EV just to prove their point.
Lol both Its Tesla who start the price war and its BYD that will end them.
Toyota will be replacing their hybrid system with BYD hybrid system.
US should allow competition and modify incentives to spur domestic manufacturers to innovate affordable EVs.
I agree, but sadly America will not let cheap EV's come into America. America forgets we got through the gas crisis buy buying Jamanese and European cars.
I’m so happy your touching this topic and not being bias I’m here for BYD
Running a BYD Atto 3 for just under 2 years in northern Australia very impressive vehicle, comfortable and reliable won’t be going back to Toyota😁👍
Excellent report once again! The US government’s bailout of the US auto industry a while back did not cause our legacy automakers to be leaders in the electric vehicle industry. Then I started thinking we should bail them out again, except this time with strings attached. and then I started thinking we should have a world class passenger rail system first.
It is frustrating how we have been so slow to react to china’s change of course to electrification
We have always criticized China for being the largest greenhouse gas emitter in the world and not doing enough. So now the Chinese government is heavily supporting their own burgenoning EV industry and consumer adoption of green energy, exporting affordable EVs to developing countries like Mexico and South East Asia where the average consumer can’t afford Tesla prices, and now instead of criticizing the Chinese government for doing too little, we are going to criticize them for doing too much?
Instead of putting ridiculously high anti-free market tariffs to delay the inevitable, the U.S. needs to do what China does to Tesla. Heavily regulate and put policies in place so that BYD sold cars have to be built by a BYD plant in America, which employs American workers.
Very intelligently made and nuanced content. Congrats.
Remember the solar fiasco= Low cost today with no product support later. I’d lease one but buying one could leave you without support in a few years. This game is just beginning.
The fact it fooled internet strangers is one thing. It’s another, much scarier thing that it fooled your spouse. Jeez
You are an established honest fisherman; you go through your catch everyday taking out poisonous and contaminated fish; I come and I don't sort them out to gain a cost advantage; leaving customers who aren't experts to check the fish. Then my company gets a giant government subsidy you do not; I now cut my price by 50% because my nation wants to run you out of business; not just in my country but every market we are in. Is this the kind of company you want to promote? It is exactly what China is doing; and exactly how BYD and other Chinese makers conduct business.
I appreciate your discussion of this issue. Thank you
This issue is that most countries have vehicle manufacturers in their countries and jobs to protect.
In Australia, we went through the process between 2014 and 2017, where Mitsubishi, Ford, GM, and Toyota all stopped manufacturing in Australia, so every vehicle is now imported.
Whilst a lot of people working in the vehicle industries lost their jobs, because the government at the time decided to stop giving taxpayers dollars to keep propping up manufacturing in Australia, many people were retrained and found other jobs.
If there is a silver lining, it's now that we have a lot more choices of vehicle brands and models at competitive prices.
I own a BYD Atto 3 extended range, and it's a well-built Ev and a fantastic Ev an all BYD vehicles sold i Australia have a 5 star ANCAP safety rating.
I don't worry about my vehicle capturing conversions or data from my vehicle and sending it back to China. It's boring daily stuff.
I would be more worried about your Google home assistant or Alexa in your home listening and recording 24/7 and / or your smartphone, too.
Totally agree! US should allow the large Chinese EV makers like BYD and Geely to enter the market with 5 star safety rated EV’s and maybe even add that only LFP batteries will be allowed. Keep a ban on unsafe smaller and newer Chinese companies. The big US automakers have shown they can’t build quality inexpensive EVs for the masses.
Sounds like picking winners which is the worst thing for free markets. Local manufacturing of BYD can and should happen. Tesla makes good EVs but between Elon's politics and slowing growth they cant be the entire industry. IRA is a slap in the face for smart smaller domestic EV makers like Nimbus and Aptera that want to design more efficient transportation but got excluded from huge incentives (this has slowed investment and rollout)
@@ccibinel Geely (owner of Volvo) and BYD have experience in building safe EVs... there are about 5,000 EV companies in China that we have no idea about their quality and the US should't allow a flood of those to enter. Those 3 wheeled vehicles are niche and haven't proven themselves yet (safety, power, etc)
@@TheBXaa The government handing out up to $15,000 (california + IRA) makes it virtually impossible for investment in alternative ideas. You can say they havent proven themselves but with an artificial cliff placed infront of them by flawed government policies it is clear why. Smaller EVs work and do very well in other markets (the fact they are 3 wheels isn't really much of an unknown)
So bold of you to assume people who like the cybertruck care about the environment.
You're absolutely correct for an average citizens, you're only look at a very small angle of the situation. If you're running the country, things are mch much complicated.
The BYD has pics of it burning, airbags not deploying, and crashing without the emergency braking deploying. They are dangerous.
Some of us remember national industry dissapearing because of the argument "What's the harm in buying abroard? They've promised not to be evil this time!"
Britain used to have an independent aircraft industry, and an independent satallite launch facility. They both got killed got killed off by that argument. (I'm sure other nations have their own versions of this story.) So there is a little more to 'national security' than you are aluding to in your video.
Yup. I'm one of those people who wants a smaller car. I was hoping Tesla would come out with their smaller 25K car but of course you know who keeps delaying it. So much for the democratization of EVs. Even if they come out with one, I will not buy one till elon is no longer the CEO of Tesla. Anyway, I can't believe that everyone in America wants a giant SUV. I believe that there's a market for small EVs but since they aren't being made, no one can buy one. Oh well.
That's the problem with free markets argument, people can only choose from products that are available.
My other wish for Tesla is that musk goes away. He'll always be connected with them and be supported by them though
I think of several friends making over $200k proud of the fact they would never consider an ev without the $7,000.00 incentive. They got one over on the government, not realizing WE are the financial source funding their wealth savings. At least a couple of them have stated the poor can't afford an electric vehicle anyway. That's just the way the world work. Out of a cohort of 12-18 ev owners that I meet with, only one earns under $40k and/or doesn't have a pretty good 401k. Such a [economically limited] person is considered an outlier example, but not normative.
---Myself, I use to feel electric bikes (etc) were a distraction from support for electric cars. Now I realize they are a valid gateway and valid in and of themselves to viable electric transportation. I've encountered several people who have told me having an electric scooter made a dramatic difference in their life. Additionally they Like the fact they weren't contributing to man made climate change to the degree others were.
Bottom line... we are in this together and nobody wins, unless we all win. Springsteen paraphrase.
We need all the evs.
Presidente Harris necesita crear "UBI - UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME 💵" por pobres Americanos ciudadanos 🇺🇲
I agree with you 100%
E-bikes got completely left out of the EV credit bill because exurban voters have twice the pull of urban voters. Cities need to take action on their own to make better urbanism and fight the state governments if it comes to that.
As long they forgot to put BMS or deliberately to save cost in their battery then F#them.
Traditional automobile makers in the EU and US can make quality EV's. Greed and subservience to the oil corporations prevent them from doing it.
No thanks. No dumping products at below cost for me. When governments are paying the development costs, it creates an uneven playing field.
It’s ok for someone like yourself who never designed, made, or sold anything in your whole life but dumping products below costs does matter to those who actually do.
People who make money running their mouths don’t really know what it takes to bring a product to market. They can afford to be whimsical about anti-competitive measures.
When they come for her, her lifestyle, and her livelihood, then she’ll become equally passionate about the matter.
This.
Ford & GM never get any subsidies??? 🤣😆
bail out....
Tiny EVs are needed for everyday commuting.
Cars have a hitch, they do not need to be trucks.
Cars with a fixed bed.
Toronto Ontario companies insist return to work. Goverment demands people return to office ever though work can be completed at home.
Mainstream buyers will buy EVs if it meets 3 conditions. Condition 1 is that the cost of an EV has to be equivalent to a similar petrol vehicle. Condition 2 is that the range of an EV has to be equivalent to a similar petrol vehicle (especially in extreme weather conditions). Finally, the time to fully charge an EV is equivalent to the time that it takes to filling up a petrol vehicle with gas. For the mainstream buyer, this would simply be a plug and play where using an EV is no different to a petrol vehicle much like what hybrids are today to petrol vehicles. The idea is to make the easy transition to an EV. If there are too many limitations on how to use EV over a petrol vehicle, then the mainstream buyer will simply skip an EV.
Another excellent and well argued video
You always make good videos guys but I particularly liked this one. Thought provoking and all very true. Certain CEO's have been proven by their deeds and actions, to not be that serious about making affordable EV'S. Not yet anyway. Also as an aside, I'm sure all that pollution given off by their space rockets test flights etc, aren't the most green of vehicles.
You're right, what people need are more affordable EVs.
Please keep the great content coming. Thank you.
I agree with the entire video. I love my little Mini Cooper... I wish I could get an EV like that here in the US. But I need more range than the 100 miles Mini Electic offers. (A 100 mile round trip day isn't an odd thing in the USA, that's just the sate of our infrastructure and urban design.)
I'd happily give up the quirky tech and fake "luxury" for a basic AppleCarPlay/AndroidAuto screen, and the manufacturer's software can concentrate on the car's systems, and not worry about infotainment and navigation. (They're generally several years behind the desired tech in that regard anyway.) ... Give me a small, cheap car with good (by USA standards) range and a big-ish screen that can mirror my phone. That's all I want for my daily driver.
I am all for competition in the EV space, especially if it drives prices down. However, how does China afford to build a $40,000 car for $20,000? They may be getting some help from the Chinese government, I have real concerns about possibilities of worker exploitation.
I agree, a lot of help from the government unfair labor and business practices. Selling vehicles at a loss to destroy the market
Unlike legacy manufacturers, the Chinese companies like BYD are completely vertically integrated producing, almost every part in-house like batteries, electronics, motors etc, meaning they are much cheaper to build and have profit margins legacy manufacturers would kill for and can also develop new models at an incredible pace. Telsa's success is largely based on copying the Chinese model and even use BYD blade batteries in their European produced model Y's.
@@simoncavill Tesla is as well. They would be hard pressed to match their costs.
Doesn't cost them that much to make