You should ALWAYS do THIS as England!
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
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✦ EU4 1.37 "Winds of Change" ✦
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Reading comments on your videos made me realize you don't get enough appreciation for what you are doing. I'm a relatively new player (prob couple hundred hours so far. Had one England run, into Angevin Empire, lots of fun), and I'll be honest here, I didn't know about this "trick". Not only this one, but many of your videos really helped me understand some stuff better. Thank you for making them, I'm sure there are many of us who find them super helpful.
Thanks for your comment
I agree with your comment! I am a older player with 3k hours, but still have zero knowledge about new world countries, which Thestudent specialized at!
1.37.3: Declaring war on the subject of a guaranteed nation now correctly calls in the guaranteers of the overlord.
Patched.
the ottomans also does this to me by declaring war on athens when i garuntee byzantium
AI ottomans do that with Athens whenever i try to guarantee byzantium as muscovy/Lithuania/poland
You got yourself a new subscriber sir, have a nice day
The better question is, in a typical England game using this strategy can England *subjugate* Scotland; and, ideally, directly annex the two-provinces of the Isles in the same peace deal. That is a 1 war for total control of the English island, which England can do with a direct subjugation CB when France is also called in.
And that would be... better?
Subjugating them is way worse than having the Provinces directly because of liberty desire issues and less income and Manpower, and then on top of that you have to fight France for that (or earlier) so imo that isn't better at all
You can't get the CB for subjugate, since only CBs against Isles can be used.
@@thestudentYT yes, since subjugating scotland lets you save admin points on coring thanks to forming GB diplomatically decision. As far as I'm aware Scotland still isn't a historical rival, and if so, then liberty desire is a non-issue due to power difference. Secondm there's also a problem of annexing scotland, as you've shown in this video: you can't annex them in one war, so during the truce they might as well ally france and annex the Isles, thus rendering your attempt to avoid fighting france null (albeit with more time to prepare). Third, if we're talking about optimal plays, you will be fighting france over maine anyway, so it shouldn't be a concern in the first place. Worst case, you don't get france PU but can annul treaties with scotland.
And I'd imagine economic and manpower benefits wouldn't be that big if you transfer trade during truce, and combined forcelimit will certainly be higher.
@@sphairat6637 in terms of mana your option is better. In terms of wars you'd have to wage against France - not.
@@sphairat6637 So you think this is a useless Information?
Great tip, just started my First run with England. But unfortunately France is a Part of the war…do you have an Idea what i messed up?
You make Great Videos btw, the thalosoccracy Video got me excited as all the other vids from you ✌🏻
They patched this out in the last bugfix
@@thestudentYT ah ok thx for the Info
I have more than 3000 hr in-game and I always thought that it worked like a co-belligerent where all allies etc. would get called in. I have experienced getting lied to enough in that interface to trust that interface, where it says that only a couple of nations are called in, just to find out that I am facing the entire protestant league.
This seems more like a bug/unintended. Does it also work with the HRE Princes if they have vassals outside the HRE so you can fight them without fighting the emperor? I don't think it works with collisions since, iirc, I already tried it once.
It doesn't work with any kind of alliance where the AI "calls" them in as they can do that after the declaration as well... but a guarentee works the same as a warning also, the way that it triggers only ON the declaration itself
@@thestudentYT Thx, the more you know. If only it was communicated better to the players and not something that you just have to know.
@@thestudentYT It's clearly an exploit. The overlord is automatically a co-belligerent; thus the English are directly attacking both (Scotland and Subject).
Should expand this video to say this is true for all vassals.
New patch made this impossible by the way.
"- Declaring war on the subject of a guaranteed nation now correctly calls in the guaranteers of the overlord."
Does this method of declaring war on the subject of a nation to attack there overlord also not allow the allow the overlords allys to join the war?, Cause if this is the case then I think I now have a better strategy to deal with Savoy as milian (this could even make forming Sardinia-piedmont easy to do as milian. And as a republic the core creation cost reduction would be very valuable while trying to form Italy. the only thing I'd dislike is you don't get missionary strength from either set of national ideas and you don't get ae reduction, but by then you could potentially have formed Italy already instead)
Thank you for these lessons :)
Quick question: what map mod are you using? It looks like Orbis but that one was deprecated wasn’t it?
It is in the video description
I'am just prefer to attack them after Maine event happening. Just save some adm point due to worst leader in the game lived for 3~ years , so i have no mana to spare, so i just conquer all ireland , except 1 dude who allied with scots , then frenchy event firing , then vassallization cb into scotland and that 1 ireland dude , saved mil point into barrage , so i can get through ireland mission , and didn't seat with overextension, make a PU ireland , then fight scots , leave something around 5 k , 4 to siege scots , 1 just holding isles. All others go fight frenchy in labord , and , dude , this is hella cool, bcz if you can micromanage naval invasions , you just wipe all frenchy troops with kd rate 3 to 1. So i never even do something like that , but still , good to know , strange , but good mechanics.
If I am playing tall I just peace out france by giving them their cores.
If I am playing wide I just get france as pu in 100 years war.
student did you prepare for final exam next week?
Wtf do you even mean?
@@thestudentYT proffesor Florry will be your examinator
@@rasplay5761 No Preparation needed
@@thestudentYT Shots fired!
nice find
Can you still PU Scotland with that method?
I dont think so, for PU you must declare war with Personal Union Casus Belli
You cannot otherwise either
Okay, but I don't understand why this works? Is it because the month tick is necessary for the guarantee to take effect?
you can't declare war until 11th of dec 1444
No the guarentee triggers only ON war declaration... and the Isles are not Guarenteed by France