years ago 32 acp was the highest permited caliber that citizens could own here in brazil. when they stepped up and permitted the 380, i kept my beretta platform taurus pt 57. it saved my life 3 times. now we can own up to .45 acp thanks god.
I'm glad to hear that my friend. To many times good guys fall subject to bad guys due to government restrictions. Everyone should be afforded the opportunity to protect themselves as well as governments do.
Fernando - about that .45 acp; revolver or semi-auto? I carry an old S&W in .45 and stick with 1/2moon clips due arthritis in my wrist and thumb makes recoil a problem - heavy bugger soaks up recoil. As for .32, I recall that Ruger made SA Blackhawk in .32Magnum. Really wanted to get my grubby mitts on one due a Guns&Ammo article regarding the caliber.
@@FireheartSamurai He's trying to. One of his campaign promises was to make concealed carry a thing here. Before him, it was much harder to buy a firearm and it is still very overpriced, since there's barely nothing but taurus guns.
@@darrenbishop4327 if the government can't compromise to protect its citizens, they should not take their right to do so. hope things do get better for my children.
When a company who makes its money selling ammo publishes their tests suggesting you're better off carrying the less expensive ammo that says a LOT about what great integrity Lucky Gunner Ammo has! It would be very easy for them to show results suggesting you needed the higher priced super-duper rounds, but nope, they stuck to the real results and Fiocchi FMJ (i.e. the cheap-but-very-good stuff) is what does best overall. This is one reason why they are my favorite place to order ammo! I like the .32 acp and have for some time. It has less recoil than .380s of similar size (which in the tiny guns can mean a world of difference in shot-to-shot times as well as affect joy of practice and ability to shoot for those with arthritic hands). Plus, most .32s give you a round or so extra capacity over their .380 counterparts. Don't get me wrong, I love a good .380 but .32s honestly do about the same thing for less noise, less kick, and less recoil. Plus, the best ammo is the cheaper stuff. What's not to love?
@@SilentAdventurer - I know people who have them an love them, but I also hear of slides (or was it frames!) cracking. And they are THICK little buggers, too. That said, it's hard to find a micro compact in .32 from anyone nearly as reputable as Beretta. If it suits you and your carry methods, I'd say lock-and-load.
@@SilentAdventurer I carry a beretta tomcat in stainless steel for a backup gun and I love it I also have its baby brothers in 25acp and 22lr but they stay in the safe
@@mantislake4141 i think i have a few lose screws but i Just like small calibers heck i would Love see those calibers like 25 acp 32 acp make a comeback in to deep carry.
The p-32 is my favorite carry gun (it's all but invisible in a pocket), and I always use FMJ in it. Thanks for going to the trouble to test and post these results.
@ttboy2004 they did, in fact, acknowledge the cracking. They also repared or replaced cracked slides. (They no longer do that.) The current production (inox) models have a different slide, that doesn't crack.
@ttboy2004 The old models cracked but the new INOX doesn't crack. The issue there is that the INOX barrel is thicker and the gun is a little heavier and not quite as concealable. The new models run rounds through them like water coming from a water faucet! I ha vent had one FTF with all kinds of ammo.
@@cdluckyjo Honestly whatever you can find right now. Fiocchi is an excellent choice for .32 ACP. I would not select hollow points in that caliber as it's a little weak and penetration will be more important than expansion. Be sure to practice with whatever you plan to use for self-defense.
Walther PPK in 32ACP.... never fails. Excellent combination. Take it deer hunting for any follow up dispatch shots. Works every time. Small light and compact, easy to carry on my belt, no hassle at all.
John Browning designed the .32 acp as a self defense round. Any one of those bullets tested will kill with shot placement. I think we gun enthusiasts are over thinking pistol calibers. You'll never see performance like a 9mm or other duty oriented calibers.
As a citizen you don't have to kill. The military need to kill. The police need to ensure compliance. All you have to do is force disengagement. It doesn't matter if they die on the spot or flee to a hospital, break-of-contact is the goal.
Agreed. Mostly all pistol calibers will get the job done in a conceal carry situation (mugging, etc...) if you hit the vital areas. Wouldn't use it for home defense.
Very timely videos! Last week with 22 mag and now with 32 acp. I just started carrying a North American Arms Guardian in 32 acp and 22 mag as back up. Great work!
I would to see you guys add the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Penetrators and Xtreme Defenders. They even make one (Lehigh) for .33 ACP called the Xtreme Cavitator. And it looks… either scary or goofy depending on your POV. Anywho, it would be interesting to see how they compare. Great work as always.
Yeah why he didnt cover this ammo is a mystery to me , It is the ammo for the Keltec period because of the short barrel ,reliabbility and not rimlocking
I am really liking the 55gr Underwood extreme defenders in my p32 so far. I would love to see some testing of them, but all I can find are the older Cavitators.
I carry both, usually together, and find them both to be equally reliable, in my hands, at least. Still, the PF9 is rude in hand, and is a hard little bugger not to limp-wrist.
Since I bought my kel-tec p32 back in 2011 I have constantly used Fiocchi FMJ's as my carry and practice ammo. That has never and will never change when it comes to .32 acp for me.
I enjoy 32acp more than 380acp...its very low recoil but still fun to shoot and with the right round makes for a good backup. I can usually find 32acp for a much better price as well. I like the fiocchi 73 gr fmj and s&b 73gr fmj. They are great and perform very reliably for me.
Excellent video! I love your ballistic testing data. I have bought ammo from your company multiple times because of this work. Keep the good stuff coming!
I enjoy your videos very much, and thank you for bringing logical attention to .32 caliber. I enjoy shooting .32 acp, H&R Magnum and .32 long regularly and find them easy to control. I have a Keltec P32, Savage 1907, Walther PP & PPK and S&W 432PD snub nose. They're all great firearms.
@@lenk.4937 then that's disingenuous. If they are trying to tell you what the best rounds are, the Underwood extreme defender is the only one people should carry. Carrying hollowpoints is fooling yourself in .32. Either carry Underwood or ball ammo. The above doesn't include those carrying a Seecamp. The Undewood load doesn't fit in the mag.
PLEASE DO A BALLISTICS GEL TEST ON THE .410 HANDGUN LOADS. The internet needs a clear representation of the various .410 handgun loads and their effectiveness for self defense and in ballistics gel. Thank you and regardless, I love the content
Please test the Lehigh defense extreme cavitator and Underwood extreme defender ammo! I've seen some impressive videos and would love to see even more!
maybe since lucky gunner doesn't sell these they don't bother testing them? idk but lehigh defense is what i carry. it's been 100% reliable in my experience.
I third the request, I use Underwood Extreme Defender ammo exclusively in my pistols. The accuracy, velocity, energy, consistency and performance in balistic gelatin are impressive!
I love the work you do on these tests but, I have to say I think you missed the mark by not testing the Underwood 32acp extreme defender round which is the go to for most 32acp carriers that I know of.
@@Leonix13 they stopped making it. That bullet design wasn't reliable in all guns. The extreme defender is standard pressure and +p penetrates 14.5 to 15.5 inches.
@@Leonix13 Sorry, I keep forgetting Lehigh puts out their own stuff. Didn't realize they still offered the xtreme cavitator. Underwood stopped offering it and went with their defender instead using Lehigh bullets. I saw a couple of vids where the cavitator was iffy in the Beretta 3032 but I've had zero issues with mine using the defender loads (standard pressure).
I think in order to understand some of the results you have to go back in time and understand the history of .32 ACP guns. When introduced they ranged from pocket guns and full size guns. They were in essence the same as we see 9mm guns today. Well after WW1, they more or less ceased use in military roles but continued to play a role in police forces, particularly European police. By the 80's .32 ACP guns and ammo were still common but they had more or less been regulated to pocket guns and the full size guns being surplus from prior years. So as time went on, people only ever seemed to see them in the pocket gun capacity making such claims that there's no point to them being "X" size and the likes. Ammo makers continued to produce ammo at original specs for the caliber which many were never intended for use with hollow points and nobody ever really bothered to develop a JHP that was designed to work well with .32 ACP. Silver Tips were some of the best early ones for the caliber and still do well in a full size gun but even in my informal testing I can tell you they would fall just short of FBI minimum specs. Essentially, nobody cares enough to make this work as things like .380 and 9x19 are far more common. CorBon went out of business but they were one of those companies that knew how to load their designs for maximum effect. Like many people I feel you missed on not testing the Lehigh Cavitator loads for .32 ACP however I do understand they are not as common on the market as these other loads. The best results I've found for .32 ACP performance in 3.5 to 3.75 inch barrel semi autos has been Fiocchi Exterma .32 ACP loaded with XTP's, followed by Winchester Silvertips, CorBon JHP, and Hornady loaded XTP's. I didnt count the Lehigh as it's not an expanding bullet but when comparing it to the best JHP performance it's results are very similar but almost 99% of the time meeting FBI minimums on penetration. While I think gel is good for establishing a base line for what to expect, having done a lot of research and testing both formal and informal on the matter I've come to the opinion that even those rounds that fail to meet FBI minimums will still be plenty adequate to save one's life. Also, the Kel-Tec has a 2.63 inch barrel which puts it closer to a 2 1/2 than a 3 inch. .32's sweet spot seems to come from 3.2 to 3.5 inch barrel. Where maximum performance comes in a 3.75 to 4 inch barrel. Again though, this is based on a lot of time, research and testing of all types. In general though, the results showing that with the longer barrel you get more expansion but less penetration is quite true for a vast majority of what you tested even in my experience.
Drain I bought some of that same ammo when I got my new tomcat but nervous about shooting it bc of the note in the box recommending 71grain & 130ft/lbs or less. How is your frame holding up?
Drain cool thanks. I picked up a bunch of Underwood and Lehigh for the tommy and I’m looking at a 1000rd case of magtech fmj 71gr for the range... Might just have to get a new Kel tec or model 81 or 90 to finish that 73gr lol
That round in my then-new P32 (in 2011) is how I learned about rimlock. Now, it only sits in the pipe, and on top of the stack in the magazine. Fiocchi FMJ-RN fills up the rest. If I ever decide to carry my recently-acquired Seecamp, though, the Winchester round will be in it.
Always seem to hear positive comments about LGA!! Kudos! Props!Congrats! I agree w/other comments, that recommending a cheaper brand that works, by staying true to tests, is a great testimonial!! I am longtime .32 fan for close encounters/carry discreet in case you need it kind.(my gr-grpa was 6'7", was a terror w/ knife( he was once jailed for cutting 17 people in a bar-fight) but he carried a .32 revolver most of his life, " just in case he needed it". He was very smart on other things, so, I take his theory to heart) Placement(control) & Penetration=stop attack now! Efficient, NOT Flashy.
Hi! Just wanted to say, I love your channel and I just ordered some .32 ACP amo from you for my Beretta Model 81 that is on its way! Thanks for all the testing and videos.
What a great video. I own a Seecamp .32 and am limited to only four types of ammo. All are hollow point and are due to feeding issues as the ramp is very short, very steep, and the barrel does not float
I really love my beretta 70 puma. It’s a perfect little size to hide. The only thing I don’t like about it is it’s the older style with the button safety. Sometimes my palm near my trigger finger can push the button and put the safety on. If it had the newer slide safety I’d carry it everyday.
I never considered pocket pistols because of the weak smmo and tiny hard to hold size until today i held a Beretta tomcat 32 and i couldn't believe how good it felt for the size, it doesn't feel like your holding such a tiny gun. Then i held the Ruger lcp 380 and it was so bad compared to the bobcat and I was disgusted with myself for thinking it would be a good idea 😂😂. I need to see what the kel tec and lcp max feel like but i think I like the 32 tomcat best of all
I'd look at Paul Harrell's video on it. It performs will in ballistics gel, but real world it isn't nearly as good. Remember people aren't made of ballistics gel, it's used for being a very close density to human muscle tissue and is easily repeatable. That's good for testing, but also means that some results don't quite match the real world. Screwdriver rounds like that just don't do the same things to actual tissue that they do to real flesh
@@shaggnar2014 I just went and watched his 9mm video. It would seem that they are far more consistent than expanding hollow points and do the same if not more damage. I've carried the Extreme Defender in my guns since it's inception so I am a bit bias though. Lol
Paul Harrell only tests what exists. If he tested the 32 Xtreme Cavitator, I'd love to have a link to that because I haven't seen it. The 32 Xtreme Defender is very new, didn't exist a month or so ago. He tested the lightweight 9mm, not the heavier 9mm Defender and found that it was OK. He tested the .380 Xtreme Penetrator and if you watch until the end and listen to what he said, he did say that it was very effective on the meat target (and you could see that for yourself) for a .380 provided that you don't expect wild claims about penetration from a 380. The worst thing that the ammo has going for it is its name. The 32 Xtreme Cavitator is yet another terrible name. If you are familiar with the 32 THV then you'll recognize that there's nothing new about the Cavitator. Paul comes down hard against hype ammo and I'm right there with him. But when you're ready to decide whether the Lehigh is hype or merely something new, I would urge you to look at his meat test results for yourself. If you're into 32 ACP and can't find anything realistic on the Cavitator, learn about the old THV and you be the judge if you think it's worth pursuing.
Sean Donaldson - Paul’s video shows good performance as many many other videos do too. I’ll grant you that larger calibers is still prefer JHP, but .380, for example the Extreme Penetrator and Extreme Defender results are consistently very good in every test I’ve seen.
I appreciate your efforts. These lab results you do really help me choose between rounds. The Keltec P-32 was the second pistol I bought. It helped me exercise my carry compliance, and I have carried everyday since. I switched to Glock 26 when they came out, and the Glock 26 or the Glock 19 are my carry guns now, but I still have my little P-32 and it still goes bang every time.
I presently carry for work a Glock 19 on my right hip and a KelTec p32 in my left front pocket. I had a nasty experience several years ago with two guys trying to snatch my duty gun out of it's holster. My right hand was needed to help keep the gun secure in the holster. I fought them off with my left hand but noticed they never payed any attention to my left hand, only focused on the right. Hence...the p32 now in the left pocket.
@@ronalddavidleindecker3358 smart plan. Glad it turned out in your favor. That's why I only carry concealed. When I go to a range, and while I'm at the range I will carry on my hip or in my chest rig, but I've always thought how easy it seems to snatch and grab from these people that open carry in a pinch retention type holsters.
I would love to see this test with a Berry Bullet Copper clad Lead, the Meat target Paul Harrell uses gives good data as to penetration of a bullet type in a body without shooting a living thing.
I have both of these pistols! I'm fanboying myself to death right now. I don't carry the 81 but I want to. Ideally, my P32 is a backup gun. I can't thank you guys enough for these videos. Well, I can. I'll buy ammo.
In the 32 ACP my first round is a xtreme defender, the rest are fmj. Sadly the xtreme defender rounds are a hair too short and will get rim lock so only carry fmj in the mag.
In the first half of the 20th Century .32ACP handguns outsold .380s by a considerable margin. Colt for example sold three .32 Pocket Hammerless pistols for every one of the .380 versions they sold. Consumers noted the fact that the .32s had less recoil and usually held at least one extra round. It was also felt that the difference in stopping power between a .32 FMJ and a .380 FMJ was negligible. Given the fact that you're probably better off with FMJ in either of these calibers perhaps more gun manufacturers should start offering .32ACP versions of their pocket .380s again.
A buddy bought a Barretta in 32 acp. He loves it and he shoots it very well. His only complaint is the price of 32 acp, because he needed to practice to get used to it. He uses a 45acp at home and turn bricks into powder day.
I have used 32 acp in ruger 327 lcr. No rim lock but I prefer 32 h&r magnum. The Kel-Tec is so much smaller than the lcr For carry. Shot placement and penetration are the keys with any handgun.
Police and military were using this round with duty sized pistols such as the FN Model 1922 for most of the 20th century even though other more powerful rounds were available. There must have been some reason.
I just got a Seecamp in 32acp yesterday so I revisited these 32acp videos. Unfortunately they say FMJ won’t run cause they’re too long in my pistol. But supposedly flat nose FMJ have worked but haven’t found any yet. 🤔👌
My keltec p.32.. rides in my front pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster when I'm wearing my lightweight shorts.. I also have the metal clip on mine so it makes the ultimate underwear gun also clips to the waistband on my BVD tighty whities 😂
I EDC'd a SeeCamp LWS .32 Semi-Auto as my SD pistol for quite awhile. I purchased it in 1986, I think? Came with one magazine. I'm ordered another and it took 3 years to get it. It was a deep cover rig and I knew I'd have to go Central Nervous System to be effective. Would I have preferred a 9mm or .45 ACP? Yes. But, it wasn't practical at the time. Interestingly, the SeeCamp LWS .32 was only guaranteed when using SilverTip ammo. I did try other brands of ammo which functioned fine. But, I always carried SilverTips for SD purposes. So, I believe 32ACP is a viable SD round, but as with any handgun, shot placement is key. JMHO, YMMV.
The Walther PP and PPK are making a comeback in .32 ACP. If you live in a capacity restricted state they may be good options that wont intimidate a jury. I plan to pick one up as a Bond fan.
These are always great videos and analyses... I highly recommend exploring (and carrying on your site) Underwood Ammo with Lehigh Defense projectiles. For these small calibers (or any) they create a significant wound channel WITHOUT relying on expansion. So, you don’t have to make a trade off between wound channel OR penetration - you can have your cake and eat it to! Keep up the great work and thanks for what you do.
Thanks for the excellent video Chris. Great info! I have those exact same .32's .....both great guns! One is great to carry, the other awesome to shoot 👍😆
My EDC is looking pretty good right now. Kel Tec P32 that I got on Gun Broker for $130, Fiocchi FMJ round nose for $15/box (most common ammo I can find) and that same little grip you have on yours. Consistently penetrating to the ideal level, 8 rounds in the gun. It's been in my back jeans pocket in a little nylon holster for half a year now and no one has noticed at work. It shoots almost as well as my Sig P238 and is twice as carryable.
Please test more ballistics gel with .327 fed mag short barrel revolvers, possibly comparing it to .357 short barrel revolvers as well! Thank you and love the content regardless
When wearing lightweight shorts.. during the summer I carry my Kel-Tec p32 generation 1.. drop dead reliable and accurate out to 40 45 ft.. I installed Kel-Tec anti-rimlock kits in the magazine so I could carry hollow points without any rim lock issue.. but what I settled on was not a hollow point it is the Underwood extreme cavitator! . Cuts a nice wound channel yet doesn't need to expand and plenty of penetration like a hardball.. they do have a shorter profile so the anti-rimlock kits are definitely necessary when carrying this round
My Kel-Tec P32 is my "lightest weight" carry pistol that I can throw in the pocket of running shorts or the back pocket of dress slacks and it will not stick out or cause my pants to sag. When I'm wearing jeans or work pants then I move up to my S&W .380 or 642 Airweight. And finally if I'm going out at night or someplace I consider risky, then I pack a Sig P226 and damn the weight.
@@jh8338 The value of life doesn't change, but the risk factors do. In daylight in my own neighborhood, chances of getting accosted by a gang who would not be stopped by taking some rounds of .32ACP are pretty slim. At night in the city that risk goes up, and so does the countermeasure.
@@rickieodem488 I understand that, you're referring to the chances of having a self-defense encounter. I'm talking about the thinking of 'Well, my life is only worth saving with a .32acp round at 7-11, but worth a 9mm round when I'm elsewhere...' Why lower the chances of saving your life with a lesser caliber? If you have to pull the trigger, you want the most bang for the buck. A 9mm is 3x the ft-lb energy of a .32acp.
I shot a caged boar behind the ear seven times with 32 ACP hollow points it was very alive and very pissed off. FMJ is the only way to go with this caliber imo
I installed anti-rimlock kits in my keltec p32 magazines they are manufactured by Kel-Tec... So I could load hollow points.. when I discovered the hollow points if if they expand Rob the penetration... But recently I purchased some Underwood extreme cavitator which give great penetration and yet leave a nice wound channel.. and they're shorter profile works perfect with my Kel-Tec anti-rim lock kits installed in the mags
for good over penetration simulation, there should be fabric on the backside of the gel block, unless your target doesnt wear clothes on their back. many times the bullet will get stopped by the 2nd layer of clothing.
With a 32 I would not worry about overpenetration (perforation), because of the most likely use-case. That kind of weapon will clearly way more likely be used as a pure self defense weapon and way less likely as a "good guy with a gun stops a terrorist"-weapon. Meaning in most self defense situations it isn't that likely that a lot of innocent bystanders stand around and behind the target. Usually classical self defense situations are one-on-one, or a group of attackers against a single victim. The attackers usually select for that on their own. You will rarely get mugged or "graped" in a crowd.
This is good information. I like my .32 and shoot well with it. Now I feel even better about using Fiocchi FMJ as well as Aguila, which you didn't test. Thanks for the videos.
When it comes to .32, I'll just shoot FMJs either way (except for that picky Seecamp) but to help promote consistent feeding, what if Kel-Tec and Beretta made specific mags for hollow points?
This is from 4 years ago. Not sure you had the Lehigh defender bullets available yet - they are now and Underwood uses them - 55 grain and they give disruption and good penetration - like around 15" - esp the +P loading. I like them - they are the best choice for CCW IMHO.
" RIM-LOCK " not a problem in my keltec .32 Gen 1 ..I purchased Rimlock kits from Keltec installed in magazines....but if I want to load FMJ I have to remove ..to lock bar in mag .. will be purchasing a couple of extra mags for fmjs
@Lucky Gunner about your .357sig vid- there is one distinct advantage of the round when it comes to barrier penetration such as car doors. 9mm stops at 2nd sheet of .125" aluminum where .357 continues through 2 & nearly through the 3rd (.40 &45 stopped on 2nd). Aside from that, top notch work. I'd like to see how the polycase stuff stacks up against FMJ & JHP across your test platforms
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years ago 32 acp was the highest permited caliber that citizens could own here in brazil. when they stepped up and permitted the 380, i kept my beretta platform taurus pt 57. it saved my life 3 times. now we can own up to .45 acp thanks god.
I'm glad to hear that my friend. To many times good guys fall subject to bad guys due to government restrictions. Everyone should be afforded the opportunity to protect themselves as well as governments do.
Fernando - about that .45 acp; revolver or semi-auto? I carry an old S&W in .45 and stick with 1/2moon clips due arthritis in my wrist and thumb makes recoil a problem - heavy bugger soaks up recoil. As for .32, I recall that Ruger made SA Blackhawk in .32Magnum. Really wanted to get my grubby mitts on one due a Guns&Ammo article regarding the caliber.
Fernando Your new president is allowing regular citizens to own firearms now?
@@FireheartSamurai He's trying to. One of his campaign promises was to make concealed carry a thing here. Before him, it was much harder to buy a firearm and it is still very overpriced, since there's barely nothing but taurus guns.
@@darrenbishop4327 if the government can't compromise to protect its citizens, they should not take their right to do so. hope things do get better for my children.
When a company who makes its money selling ammo publishes their tests suggesting you're better off carrying the less expensive ammo that says a LOT about what great integrity Lucky Gunner Ammo has! It would be very easy for them to show results suggesting you needed the higher priced super-duper rounds, but nope, they stuck to the real results and Fiocchi FMJ (i.e. the cheap-but-very-good stuff) is what does best overall. This is one reason why they are my favorite place to order ammo!
I like the .32 acp and have for some time. It has less recoil than .380s of similar size (which in the tiny guns can mean a world of difference in shot-to-shot times as well as affect joy of practice and ability to shoot for those with arthritic hands). Plus, most .32s give you a round or so extra capacity over their .380 counterparts. Don't get me wrong, I love a good .380 but .32s honestly do about the same thing for less noise, less kick, and less recoil. Plus, the best ammo is the cheaper stuff. What's not to love?
Love the way you think, brother
tbf, more expensive =/= better margins. They may make more money selling cheap stuff if the difference between their wholesale and retail is greater.
Thinking about getting 32 tomcat. What do people rink?
@@SilentAdventurer - I know people who have them an love them, but I also hear of slides (or was it frames!) cracking. And they are THICK little buggers, too. That said, it's hard to find a micro compact in .32 from anyone nearly as reputable as Beretta. If it suits you and your carry methods, I'd say lock-and-load.
@@SilentAdventurer
I carry a beretta tomcat in stainless steel for a backup gun and I love it
I also have its baby brothers in 25acp and 22lr but they stay in the safe
Yes make the 32acp a thing again.
Theres too many tati cool glock 17l appendix carriers to allow 32 acp to come back super strong
@@flyinfr33domfreedom2 What if.... What if Kel-tec makes a CMR30 in 32 acp? And what if Ruger decides to make a mark 4 in 32 ACP?
@@c.m.7692 kel tec guns are pretty bad and besides the ammo cost and demand are too low
matthew fort Ruger lcp 2 in 32acp?
Maybe. Maybe. But only becausenthe standard 380 one sucks
How many of us would like to see a Ruger LCP II
in 32 acp?
I will buy one for sure!
It would probably be a lot more reliable too
Sold! Wouldn't mind seeing Glock throw .32 in their single stack frame either.
@@mantislake4141 i think i have a few lose screws but i Just like small calibers heck i would Love see those calibers like 25 acp 32 acp make a comeback in to deep carry.
Make it a double stack but stay the same height.
I LOVE my Ruger ec9s and would definitely check out a .32 ACP if they made it.
The p-32 is my favorite carry gun (it's all but invisible in a pocket), and I always use FMJ in it. Thanks for going to the trouble to test and post these results.
Kel TEC .32 ..gen 1 ..my go to hide out / back up ..so lite ..& lite recoil ..compared to my pocket .380
I have a Keltec .32 and could almost hide it in my beard. If only I could find ammo for it...
@@chaburchak you should invest in a quality beard holster
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Hello from Kentucky USA. Thanks for using a p32 in your testing. It gives me even more confidence with my own p32.
Thanks for this! I just bought a .32 Beretta Tomcat. This helps me discovering what loads to focus on.
Beretta Tomcat 3032 with the tip up barrel... A little pricey but it's a classic that is still in production. Nice pistol.
@ttboy2004 they did, in fact, acknowledge the cracking. They also repared or replaced cracked slides. (They no longer do that.) The current production (inox) models have a different slide, that doesn't crack.
@ttboy2004 The old models cracked but the new INOX doesn't crack. The issue there is that the INOX barrel is thicker and the gun is a little heavier and not quite as concealable. The new models run rounds through them like water coming from a water faucet! I ha vent had one FTF with all kinds of ammo.
What ammois best to use with tomcat 3032?
@@cdluckyjo
Honestly whatever you can find right now. Fiocchi is an excellent choice for .32 ACP. I would not select hollow points in that caliber as it's a little weak and penetration will be more important than expansion. Be sure to practice with whatever you plan to use for self-defense.
@@WinterInTheForest Thank you for your recommendation.
Walther PPK in 32ACP.... never fails. Excellent combination. Take it deer hunting for any follow up dispatch shots. Works every time. Small light and compact, easy to carry on my belt, no hassle at all.
If it was double stack, it'd be the fun that God made.
those are so heavy for what they do tho
John Browning designed the .32 acp as a self defense round. Any one of those bullets tested will kill with shot placement. I think we gun enthusiasts are over thinking pistol calibers. You'll never see performance like a 9mm or other duty oriented calibers.
As a citizen you don't have to kill. The military need to kill. The police need to ensure compliance. All you have to do is force disengagement. It doesn't matter if they die on the spot or flee to a hospital, break-of-contact is the goal.
Darth KEK if ur in ur house u don’t need to kill ? I don’t know buddy I like .32s but I keep .380 for the streets 40 for the sheets
Darth KEK and my pistols to fend off fenders as I retrieve my pistol caliber carbine
Darth KEK excellent point. Often overlooked.
Agreed. Mostly all pistol calibers will get the job done in a conceal carry situation (mugging, etc...) if you hit the vital areas. Wouldn't use it for home defense.
Love 32 acp... underrated imo
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Very timely videos! Last week with 22 mag and now with 32 acp. I just started carrying a North American Arms Guardian in 32 acp and 22 mag as back up. Great work!
Hows that Guardian holding up? Do you still like it/carry it? I am thinking about getting one myself.
I would to see you guys add the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Penetrators and Xtreme Defenders. They even make one (Lehigh) for .33 ACP called the Xtreme Cavitator. And it looks… either scary or goofy depending on your POV. Anywho, it would be interesting to see how they compare. Great work as always.
This channel is consistently interesting and so well produced. Really enjoyable.
This video was definitely needed. Thanks for all the hard work, Chris.
650 rounds of Sellier and bellot 73 gr fmj with my Kel tec p 32.. 100% no ftf or fte
Too many people here are focused on boutique ammo and they are missing on S&B FMJ which is hottest ammo that is 100% reliable from my p32.
my moopanchant rm41's bfi is 47 rnt more than my frach wtr7 smalts thasterdweeb or 406 hpthaps per choats
Yeah why he didnt cover this ammo is a mystery to me , It is the ammo for the Keltec period because of the short barrel ,reliabbility and not rimlocking
I am really liking the 55gr Underwood extreme defenders in my p32 so far. I would love to see some testing of them, but all I can find are the older Cavitators.
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I just use FMJ in my P32 for adequate penetration and to avoid JHP rimlock.
6.6oz P32 KelTec disappears during carry. More reliable feeding than the PF9
I carry both, usually together, and find them both to be equally reliable, in my hands, at least. Still, the PF9 is rude in hand, and is a hard little bugger not to limp-wrist.
Since I bought my kel-tec p32 back in 2011 I have constantly used Fiocchi FMJ's as my carry and practice ammo. That has never and will never change when it comes to .32 acp for me.
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I enjoy 32acp more than 380acp...its very low recoil but still fun to shoot and with the right round makes for a good backup. I can usually find 32acp for a much better price as well. I like the fiocchi 73 gr fmj and s&b 73gr fmj. They are great and perform very reliably for me.
It's my EDC, fits in my back pocket perfectly. I'm not that hyped about the round but it's the best for a pocket gun
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You guys should make an app detailing thst seperates your articles, tests, videos by gun, caliber, ect.
You can find all those tables here:
www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
Excellent video! I love your ballistic testing data. I have bought ammo from your company multiple times because of this work. Keep the good stuff coming!
Excellent work Chris!!! Lucky Gunner rules 😬
I enjoy your videos very much, and thank you for bringing logical attention to .32 caliber. I enjoy shooting .32 acp, H&R Magnum and .32 long regularly and find them easy to control. I have a Keltec P32, Savage 1907, Walther PP & PPK and S&W 432PD snub nose. They're all great firearms.
This is excellent information. Thank you!
What about Underwood Xtreme Defender ammo??
From what I have seen it makes hollow points obsolete but LGA doesn't carry it... so they won't test it. Other sources do though, I am a believer.
Just what I was going to ask...
@@lenk.4937 then that's disingenuous. If they are trying to tell you what the best rounds are, the Underwood extreme defender is the only one people should carry. Carrying hollowpoints is fooling yourself in .32. Either carry Underwood or ball ammo.
The above doesn't include those carrying a Seecamp. The Undewood load doesn't fit in the mag.
Xtreme defender best ammo out there
The clear ballistics gel isn’t suited for that kind of bullet
You guys need a show on TV. Keep up the good work.
PLEASE DO A BALLISTICS GEL TEST ON THE .410 HANDGUN LOADS. The internet needs a clear representation of the various .410 handgun loads and their effectiveness for self defense and in ballistics gel. Thank you and regardless, I love the content
Good honest test, factual information and not a lot of blah, blah, blah. I'm also glad you touched on "rim lock". Brownie points for using a Kel-tec.
Please test the Lehigh defense extreme cavitator and Underwood extreme defender ammo! I've seen some impressive videos and would love to see even more!
maybe since lucky gunner doesn't sell these they don't bother testing them? idk but lehigh defense is what i carry. it's been 100% reliable in my experience.
I third the request, I use Underwood Extreme Defender ammo exclusively in my pistols. The accuracy, velocity, energy, consistency and performance in balistic gelatin are impressive!
Note to self; if ever breaking and entering carry some ballistics-gel blocks - they seem to be bullet magnets.
Best ammo around
@@rob55D89D Are they longer, like fmj rounds, to where they might help avoid rim lock?
I love the work you do on these tests but, I have to say I think you missed the mark by not testing the Underwood 32acp extreme defender round which is the go to for most 32acp carriers that I know of.
I was thinking the same thing, the Xtreme Cavitators too.
Underwood makes the best 32auto ammo..
@@Leonix13 they stopped making it. That bullet design wasn't reliable in all guns. The extreme defender is standard pressure and +p penetrates 14.5 to 15.5 inches.
@@Leonix13 Sorry, I keep forgetting Lehigh puts out their own stuff. Didn't realize they still offered the xtreme cavitator. Underwood stopped offering it and went with their defender instead using Lehigh bullets. I saw a couple of vids where the cavitator was iffy in the Beretta 3032 but I've had zero issues with mine using the defender loads (standard pressure).
it can rimlock in Keltecs
No real surprises, but I'm glad y'all did the legwork to prove it. Keep it up!
I've been carrying the kel-tec 32 with a one round extended mag for years. Never had a problem with it. Love the gun.
Thank you I love this channel always good content 😁
My spanish ruby made in 1916 is my favorite handgun i own..wish i could afford a colt 1903 hamerless
I think in order to understand some of the results you have to go back in time and understand the history of .32 ACP guns. When introduced they ranged from pocket guns and full size guns. They were in essence the same as we see 9mm guns today. Well after WW1, they more or less ceased use in military roles but continued to play a role in police forces, particularly European police. By the 80's .32 ACP guns and ammo were still common but they had more or less been regulated to pocket guns and the full size guns being surplus from prior years.
So as time went on, people only ever seemed to see them in the pocket gun capacity making such claims that there's no point to them being "X" size and the likes. Ammo makers continued to produce ammo at original specs for the caliber which many were never intended for use with hollow points and nobody ever really bothered to develop a JHP that was designed to work well with .32 ACP. Silver Tips were some of the best early ones for the caliber and still do well in a full size gun but even in my informal testing I can tell you they would fall just short of FBI minimum specs.
Essentially, nobody cares enough to make this work as things like .380 and 9x19 are far more common. CorBon went out of business but they were one of those companies that knew how to load their designs for maximum effect. Like many people I feel you missed on not testing the Lehigh Cavitator loads for .32 ACP however I do understand they are not as common on the market as these other loads.
The best results I've found for .32 ACP performance in 3.5 to 3.75 inch barrel semi autos has been Fiocchi Exterma .32 ACP loaded with XTP's, followed by Winchester Silvertips, CorBon JHP, and Hornady loaded XTP's. I didnt count the Lehigh as it's not an expanding bullet but when comparing it to the best JHP performance it's results are very similar but almost 99% of the time meeting FBI minimums on penetration. While I think gel is good for establishing a base line for what to expect, having done a lot of research and testing both formal and informal on the matter I've come to the opinion that even those rounds that fail to meet FBI minimums will still be plenty adequate to save one's life. Also, the Kel-Tec has a 2.63 inch barrel which puts it closer to a 2 1/2 than a 3 inch. .32's sweet spot seems to come from 3.2 to 3.5 inch barrel. Where maximum performance comes in a 3.75 to 4 inch barrel. Again though, this is based on a lot of time, research and testing of all types. In general though, the results showing that with the longer barrel you get more expansion but less penetration is quite true for a vast majority of what you tested even in my experience.
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Fiocchi .32 ACP (73) FMJ is what I shoot in my Beretta Tomcat :)
Drain I bought some of that same ammo when I got my new tomcat but nervous about shooting it bc of the note in the box recommending 71grain & 130ft/lbs or less. How is your frame holding up?
@@poop7217 fine so far, I've probably only got 300 rounds through it so far though.
Drain cool thanks. I picked up a bunch of Underwood and Lehigh for the tommy and I’m looking at a 1000rd case of magtech fmj 71gr for the range... Might just have to get a new Kel tec or model 81 or 90 to finish that 73gr lol
One load I would have liked to have seen in the lineup is the Winchester 71gr FMJ with the flat point.
That round in my then-new P32 (in 2011) is how I learned about rimlock. Now, it only sits in the pipe, and on top of the stack in the magazine. Fiocchi FMJ-RN fills up the rest.
If I ever decide to carry my recently-acquired Seecamp, though, the Winchester round will be in it.
Always seem to hear positive comments about LGA!! Kudos! Props!Congrats! I agree w/other comments, that recommending a cheaper brand that works, by staying true to tests, is a great testimonial!! I am longtime .32 fan for close encounters/carry discreet in case you need it kind.(my gr-grpa was 6'7", was a terror w/ knife( he was once jailed for cutting 17 people in a bar-fight) but he carried a .32 revolver most of his life, " just in case he needed it". He was very smart on other things, so, I take his theory to heart) Placement(control) & Penetration=stop attack now! Efficient, NOT Flashy.
Hi! Just wanted to say, I love your channel and I just ordered some .32 ACP amo from you for my Beretta Model 81 that is on its way! Thanks for all the testing and videos.
What a great video. I own a Seecamp .32 and am limited to only four types of ammo. All are hollow point and are due to feeding issues as the ramp is very short, very steep, and the barrel does not float
I really love my beretta 70 puma. It’s a perfect little size to hide. The only thing I don’t like about it is it’s the older style with the button safety. Sometimes my palm near my trigger finger can push the button and put the safety on. If it had the newer slide safety I’d carry it everyday.
I never considered pocket pistols because of the weak smmo and tiny hard to hold size until today i held a Beretta tomcat 32 and i couldn't believe how good it felt for the size, it doesn't feel like your holding such a tiny gun. Then i held the Ruger lcp 380 and it was so bad compared to the bobcat and I was disgusted with myself for thinking it would be a good idea 😂😂. I need to see what the kel tec and lcp max feel like but i think I like the 32 tomcat best of all
Why not test the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Defense?
I'd look at Paul Harrell's video on it. It performs will in ballistics gel, but real world it isn't nearly as good.
Remember people aren't made of ballistics gel, it's used for being a very close density to human muscle tissue and is easily repeatable. That's good for testing, but also means that some results don't quite match the real world. Screwdriver rounds like that just don't do the same things to actual tissue that they do to real flesh
@@shaggnar2014 good point!
@@shaggnar2014 I just went and watched his 9mm video. It would seem that they are far more consistent than expanding hollow points and do the same if not more damage. I've carried the Extreme Defender in my guns since it's inception so I am a bit bias though. Lol
Paul Harrell only tests what exists. If he tested the 32 Xtreme Cavitator, I'd love to have a link to that because I haven't seen it. The 32 Xtreme Defender is very new, didn't exist a month or so ago.
He tested the lightweight 9mm, not the heavier 9mm Defender and found that it was OK. He tested the .380 Xtreme Penetrator and if you watch until the end and listen to what he said, he did say that it was very effective on the meat target (and you could see that for yourself) for a .380 provided that you don't expect wild claims about penetration from a 380. The worst thing that the ammo has going for it is its name.
The 32 Xtreme Cavitator is yet another terrible name. If you are familiar with the 32 THV then you'll recognize that there's nothing new about the Cavitator.
Paul comes down hard against hype ammo and I'm right there with him. But when you're ready to decide whether the Lehigh is hype or merely something new, I would urge you to look at his meat test results for yourself.
If you're into 32 ACP and can't find anything realistic on the Cavitator, learn about the old THV and you be the judge if you think it's worth pursuing.
Sean Donaldson - Paul’s video shows good performance as many many other videos do too. I’ll grant you that larger calibers is still prefer JHP, but .380, for example the Extreme Penetrator and Extreme Defender results are consistently very good in every test I’ve seen.
I appreciate your efforts. These lab results you do really help me choose between rounds. The Keltec P-32 was the second pistol I bought. It helped me exercise my carry compliance, and I have carried everyday since. I switched to Glock 26 when they came out, and the Glock 26 or the Glock 19 are my carry guns now, but I still have my little P-32 and it still goes bang every time.
I presently carry for work a Glock 19 on my right hip and a KelTec p32 in my left front pocket. I had a nasty experience several years ago with two guys trying to snatch my duty gun out of it's holster. My right hand was needed to help keep the gun secure in the holster. I fought them off with my left hand but noticed they never payed any attention to my left hand, only focused on the right. Hence...the p32 now in the left pocket.
@@ronalddavidleindecker3358 smart plan. Glad it turned out in your favor. That's why I only carry concealed. When I go to a range, and while I'm at the range I will carry on my hip or in my chest rig, but I've always thought how easy it seems to snatch and grab from these people that open carry in a pinch retention type holsters.
Can’t wait to see the 380 acp version of this
I would love to see this test with a Berry Bullet Copper clad Lead, the Meat target Paul Harrell uses gives good data as to penetration of a bullet type in a body without shooting a living thing.
I have both of these pistols! I'm fanboying myself to death right now. I don't carry the 81 but I want to. Ideally, my P32 is a backup gun.
I can't thank you guys enough for these videos. Well, I can. I'll buy ammo.
In the 32 ACP my first round is a xtreme defender, the rest are fmj. Sadly the xtreme defender rounds are a hair too short and will get rim lock so only carry fmj in the mag.
In the first half of the 20th Century .32ACP handguns outsold .380s by a considerable margin. Colt for example sold three .32 Pocket Hammerless pistols for every one of the .380 versions they sold. Consumers noted the fact that the .32s had less recoil and usually held at least one extra round. It was also felt that the difference in stopping power between a .32 FMJ and a .380 FMJ was negligible.
Given the fact that you're probably better off with FMJ in either of these calibers perhaps more gun manufacturers should start offering .32ACP versions of their pocket .380s again.
Rim lock is much less of an issue with a Seecamp which is designed for the shorter hollow point and you are supposed to use ammo .91 or less.
A buddy bought a Barretta in 32 acp. He loves it and he shoots it very well. His only complaint is the price of 32 acp, because he needed to practice to get used to it. He uses a 45acp at home and turn bricks into powder day.
I have used 32 acp in ruger 327 lcr. No rim lock but I prefer 32 h&r magnum. The Kel-Tec is so much smaller than the lcr For carry. Shot placement and penetration are the keys with any handgun.
Police and military were using this round with duty sized pistols such as the FN Model 1922 for most of the 20th century even though other more powerful rounds were available. There must have been some reason.
PMC Bronze 60g Hollow point with 117 ft lbs is the lowest and only cartridge I can use in my old Beretta 3032 to avoid cracking of the frame
It would be nice to see Underwood Xtreme Defender tested, non +P version.👍👍
They dont carry it on their website so they probably not going to test it
I just got a Seecamp in 32acp yesterday so I revisited these 32acp videos. Unfortunately they say FMJ won’t run cause they’re too long in my pistol. But supposedly flat nose FMJ have worked but haven’t found any yet. 🤔👌
My keltec p.32.. rides in my front pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster when I'm wearing my lightweight shorts.. I also have the metal clip on mine so it makes the ultimate underwear gun also clips to the waistband on my BVD tighty whities 😂
I EDC'd a SeeCamp LWS .32 Semi-Auto as my SD pistol for quite awhile. I purchased it in 1986, I think? Came with one magazine. I'm ordered another and it took 3 years to get it. It was a deep cover rig and I knew I'd have to go Central Nervous System to be effective. Would I have preferred a 9mm or .45 ACP? Yes. But, it wasn't practical at the time. Interestingly, the SeeCamp LWS .32 was only guaranteed when using SilverTip ammo. I did try other brands of ammo which functioned fine. But, I always carried SilverTips for SD purposes. So, I believe 32ACP is a viable SD round, but as with any handgun, shot placement is key. JMHO, YMMV.
The Walther PP and PPK are making a comeback in .32 ACP. If you live in a capacity restricted state they may be good options that wont intimidate a jury.
I plan to pick one up as a Bond fan.
Awesome video. Looking at buying a 32 for my wife. She currently carries a 380 but I'm not sold on it and think she would like the 32 better
Ended up buying her a compact 9mm. Doing pretty good so far.
These are always great videos and analyses... I highly recommend exploring (and carrying on your site) Underwood Ammo with Lehigh Defense projectiles. For these small calibers (or any) they create a significant wound channel WITHOUT relying on expansion. So, you don’t have to make a trade off between wound channel OR penetration - you can have your cake and eat it to!
Keep up the great work and thanks for what you do.
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no lehigh xtreme defense? That round mops the floor with all these.
Thanks for the excellent video Chris. Great info! I have those exact same .32's .....both great guns! One is great to carry, the other awesome to shoot 👍😆
I have the same Beretta. It's my father's gun. What ammo should I use with it?
I have edc a 32 seecamp since 2003. Tried them all beleive me . Favorites pmc 60 hp , federal hydra shoks.
My EDC is looking pretty good right now. Kel Tec P32 that I got on Gun Broker for $130, Fiocchi FMJ round nose for $15/box (most common ammo I can find) and that same little grip you have on yours. Consistently penetrating to the ideal level, 8 rounds in the gun. It's been in my back jeans pocket in a little nylon holster for half a year now and no one has noticed at work. It shoots almost as well as my Sig P238 and is twice as carryable.
Btw, with that Fiocchi ammo I've had 0 malfunctions after hundreds of rounds. Only jams were with Winchester white box flat nose and hollow points.
Very interesting results on 32 ACP round !!!!!!!!!!!!
Please test more ballistics gel with .327 fed mag short barrel revolvers, possibly comparing it to .357 short barrel revolvers as well!
Thank you and love the content regardless
Lucky Gunner Ammo thank you for the response and proper guidance. As always love the content
I really LOVE the gel tests!
Just a heads up that Federal just came out with a Hydra-Shok Deep version of 32 ACP.
It's a shame you didn't include the Sellier & Bellot 73 gr.
When wearing lightweight shorts.. during the summer I carry my Kel-Tec p32 generation 1.. drop dead reliable and accurate out to 40 45 ft.. I installed Kel-Tec anti-rimlock kits in the magazine so I could carry hollow points without any rim lock issue.. but what I settled on was not a hollow point it is the Underwood extreme cavitator! . Cuts a nice wound channel yet doesn't need to expand and plenty of penetration like a hardball.. they do have a shorter profile so the anti-rimlock kits are definitely necessary when carrying this round
This channel is underrated , He should have one million subscribers . I guess he needs to shoot at 100
steel targets & drop the great info. .
My Kel-Tec P32 is my "lightest weight" carry pistol that I can throw in the pocket of running shorts or the back pocket of dress slacks and it will not stick out or cause my pants to sag. When I'm wearing jeans or work pants then I move up to my S&W .380 or 642 Airweight. And finally if I'm going out at night or someplace I consider risky, then I pack a Sig P226 and damn the weight.
Why does the value of your life change, based on when and where you go?
@@jh8338 The value of life doesn't change, but the risk factors do. In daylight in my own neighborhood, chances of getting accosted by a gang who would not be stopped by taking some rounds of .32ACP are pretty slim. At night in the city that risk goes up, and so does the countermeasure.
@@rickieodem488 I understand that, you're referring to the chances of having a self-defense encounter. I'm talking about the thinking of 'Well, my life is only worth saving with a .32acp round at 7-11, but worth a 9mm round when I'm elsewhere...' Why lower the chances of saving your life with a lesser caliber? If you have to pull the trigger, you want the most bang for the buck. A 9mm is 3x the ft-lb energy of a .32acp.
My Seecamp with Speer Gold Dots goes everywhere with me 😎
Expensive gun
I shot a caged boar behind the ear seven times with 32 ACP hollow points it was very alive and very pissed off. FMJ is the only way to go with this caliber imo
The 32acp is a perfect round for conceal !!
32 ammo requires a bank loan for a box of 50.
26.99 for 50......grow up.
Midway has Magtech 32 LC at 35.99 and Fiocchi at 50.99.
Midway is a little overpriced on .32. Buds has Fiochi .32 for $26 for fifty rounds. They have PMC and PPU for $20 -$25 range.
I installed anti-rimlock kits in my keltec p32 magazines they are manufactured by Kel-Tec... So I could load hollow points.. when I discovered the hollow points if if they expand Rob the penetration... But recently I purchased some Underwood extreme cavitator which give great penetration and yet leave a nice wound channel.. and they're shorter profile works perfect with my Kel-Tec anti-rim lock kits installed in the mags
for good over penetration simulation, there should be fabric on the backside of the gel block, unless your target doesnt wear clothes on their back.
many times the bullet will get stopped by the 2nd layer of clothing.
With a 32 I would not worry about overpenetration (perforation), because of the most likely use-case. That kind of weapon will clearly way more likely be used as a pure self defense weapon and way less likely as a "good guy with a gun stops a terrorist"-weapon. Meaning in most self defense situations it isn't that likely that a lot of innocent bystanders stand around and behind the target. Usually classical self defense situations are one-on-one, or a group of attackers against a single victim. The attackers usually select for that on their own. You will rarely get mugged or "graped" in a crowd.
I can remember the .32 ACP and .380 were considered as mouse guns ...Now with todays modern ammo thats all changed ..
They were called mouse guns because of the size not because you can only shot mice with it.
This is good information. I like my .32 and shoot well with it. Now I feel even better about using Fiocchi
FMJ as well as Aguila, which you didn't test. Thanks for the videos.
Thank you as always for quality content!
Hoping for .25 acp one day!
@@LuckyGunner oh awesome
The human heart is not even 2 to 3in inside of the chest a heart shot with an expanding holler point would prove deadly
Why you didn't use Underwood defender 55gr is beyond me.
Fiocchi fmj has more pouch vs S&B (Sellier & Bellot)fmj both 73gr for a keltec P-32
Great informative video. If the ballistic gel had been wearing a heavy leather jacket that FMJ would have preformed even better in comparison.
I keep a 32 gun in my pocket for fun, I've got a razor in my shoe.
Just don't mess around with the wife of a jealous man.
😂
When it comes to .32, I'll just shoot FMJs either way (except for that picky Seecamp) but to help promote consistent feeding, what if Kel-Tec and Beretta made specific mags for hollow points?
This is from 4 years ago. Not sure you had the Lehigh defender bullets available yet - they are now and Underwood uses them - 55 grain and they give disruption and good penetration - like around 15" - esp the +P loading. I like them - they are the best choice for CCW IMHO.
" RIM-LOCK " not a problem in my keltec .32 Gen 1 ..I purchased Rimlock kits from Keltec installed in magazines....but if I want to load FMJ I have to remove ..to lock bar in mag .. will be purchasing a couple of extra mags for fmjs
glad to see the Beretta get some exposure - there are a bunch of new imports out there....
@Lucky Gunner about your .357sig vid- there is one distinct advantage of the round when it comes to barrier penetration such as car doors. 9mm stops at 2nd sheet of .125" aluminum where .357 continues through 2 & nearly through the 3rd (.40 &45 stopped on 2nd). Aside from that, top notch work. I'd like to see how the polycase stuff stacks up against FMJ & JHP across your test platforms
Thanks for the video. Great data.
I have a 1935 Beretta in 7.65(.32)Made in 1952, I carry it everyday with Fiocchi FMJ’s
I have a bunch of 32acp pistols from an original Colt 1903 to the Beretta 81 love them all
Get Lehigh (Underwood) Extreme Cavitator and you can relax and know that it will do everything you want it to and is barrier blind.