Can a Pedal Sound as Good as an Amp?
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» 0:00 Can a Pedal Sound Like an Amp?
» 2:00 What Krakens Are We Testing?
» 2:49 The Clean Sound
» 3:50 The Kraken V1 Pedal into a Clean Amp
» 5:10 The V1 into a Crunch Amp Sound
» 7:25 Using the Guitar Volume Knob
» 9:40 Moving on to the V4 Kraken Preamp!
» 10:30 How the V4 Works?
» 11:23 How the V4 Preamp Sounds
» 16:39 The Kraken V4 Amp Pedal
» 23:45 The All-Valve Original Kraken Amp
» 24:40 How Does It Sound?
» 29:25 The Victory Super Kraken!
» 30:35 Super Kraken Clean Channel
» 31:10 Super Kraken Gain 1
» 32:00 The Thing About 100 Watt Amps!
» 33:30 Super Kraken Gain 2
» 35:09 Let's Compare Them All!
» 36:17 Conclusions!
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Thanks for letting me be a massive nerd with this one guys! I had a lot of fun obsessing over relatively tiny details here 😂
Very knowledgeable .. a nice addition..(I couldnt even use my " he looks like he needs a sewing kit" joke)....:)
Awesome job man
I'm still chuckling at the "shapey toney" and "makey loudy" description 👍🤣
More content with this guy please 👍
I’d never heard of you but I enjoyed your playing immensely. I learned quite a bit about amps and “amp in a box” pedals. Most importantly you proved that a knob turn and the flip pickup selector can let you go from a massive heavy tone to a clear mellow sound if done right. I never put much thought into that but I will now. Who needs a distortion pedal? Thanks!
Dude is a hell of a guitar player they definitely should have this dude on more often.
More Nick. I like his perspective on pedals. Maybe a future show with several guest ( Nick, Pete, John, Dave, etc. ) all taking a wack at the same pedal
Rabea in the mix to
Very impressed with Nick as a player and presenter - dude is KNOWLEDGEABLE instead of just spouting guitar cliches
For my money this chap is by far the best presenter I've seen on Andertons, really appreciate his thoughts on music and tone, and his presenting style is really easy and enjoyable to listen to. Nice one
Oh, man, this is one of the best episodes i’ve seen on Andertons…. And what a sound!!!! 🤯 Really impressed, great job ad usual
Awesome rundown of the Kraken range. Great fun!
Gotta say, Nick is a superb guitarist. I have been thoroughly enjoying his Guitar Interactive series.
Good demo, and really digging Nick's playing and insights; great presenter.
Brilliantly informative video explanation. Thank you for this presentation 🙏. Very frank and honest!
“Sounds like ‘stunt’ anyway” And Lee didn’t notice!!!! I cracked up! Love Nick’s work, and great personality to boot.
... great comparision ... nice to see how it is going stepwise from the pedal to the real deal with the same sound characteristic ... and also when I do my little comparisions I am always amazed how close you can get with modeling these days ... greetings from Oldenburg :)
Cool vid! Very informative!! Thanks guys 🤟
So exciting to see Nick here. Would love to see him on here for all the Rock/Metal demos.
Love it! I recently traded my V30 Jack lunchbox amp for a V4 Copper Amp and I'm loving the change.
Brilliant episode !! Nick is phenomenal I used to go and watch him play locally when he was known as "Nicky Wildfire" in witchcraft (I might have the band name wrong but I'm not far off) keep them coming lads great stuff 🤘😜🤘
Great video, Nick is a legend!
Very nicely done 💛
Yes, it’s useful! It helps clarifying things. Thank you!
Kudos to Victory for providing the options. I went with the powered V4 version of the Duchess because I reasoned Victory know what their amps sound like! I use it mainly at home and for recording so the compact size and controllable power is ideal. Nice to have the option to plug it into a valve power stage though!
Bloody excellent video - lots of things in my head clicked !😜
Great idea and execution of the difference between pedals, pedal preamps, pedal amps and full-blown amps (phew!). I think of the V1 pedals as overdrive with a bit of the flavour of each amp - they do get you pretty close. Way to go, Martin @ Victory, for covering every possible need a guitar player would have. 👍😄
He's a hard worker I reckon!🫡
Superb video!
So good to see Nick on Anderson’s. Have him back on the regular.
I love when Lee said "it doesn't take much to make a guitar player happy." That's especially true when you're playing with $4 - $5k of gear including the PRS McCarty, Victory tube amplifier, and extension cab! I just wish I could afford either the PRS or Victory, let alone both! Like Nick said, modeling and pedals have come huge distances as far as quality tones but there's a reason all tube amps are still around, and reign supreme in my opinion. You just can't top that killer tone and especially The Super Kraken!
more Nick video's please, he is a great presenter and OBSCENE guitarist.
@@_Messag__me_mary_spende cheers broski, will do .......i love free shit aye brah! 🙄
Ever since the early 90´s and the Mesa Boggie V-Twin until today and my AMT ss-11 I´ve always been a preamp guy into whatever is available at the gig and iI love it!!
Lee made an interesting comment about an amp in box being a harder sell on an amp like a Deluxe. I think that would be an interesting video. A lot of us love our Princetons and Deluxe amps. Honestly we’re probably not really the target audience for these pedals, but maybe we’d be interested in trying one out and those are the amps we play. Anyone else curious to watch a video like that?
The difference between preamp and overdrive/distortion pedal is an important one. Check out AMT for their pedals, they have a preamp and an overdrive mode on their Bricks series and the difference between the two modes is marked! A preamp needs to have level boost and a fairly marked EQ tilt towards the treble end to really work.
Having said that, though, the flexibility of the Victory V1 series in their available volume boost and the wide range of the EQ means it actually does work pretty well as a preamp through the FX return or a power amp if needed. This collaboration between Thorpy and Victory is fantastic, it could benefit even more from a preamp mode on each pedal though. I think they could sell an enormous amount of these pedals with that functionality. At the moment, I'm running the Victory V1s into a Bricks AMT F-Clean preamp into a Blackstar Amped 1 with the power amp sims for a pedalboard solution that is fantastic.
Nick you're a stellar player!
This was great, thanks
Kraken V4 preamp into a Katana 100 is exactly my rig! Sounds so good. I still want an actual Marshall or something someday, but I could never complain about how the V4 sounds.
I like the eyebrows. And the harmonics as well! ..The overtones were sick!
Amazing video !
Question, what speaker(s) are you running the kraken v4 into with the 4ohm 180w?
Good lord, that's some clean picking happening 😲
great video super enjoyable
Could you do a video on modelers / preamp pedals into the different poweramp options? I imagine the next iteration of this is modeler/preamp>poweramp>guitar cab.
I've got the V4 Kraken preamp which I run into the FX-LOOP of an Orange TH30. This gives me 3 awesome overdrive channels and 1 clean. I would love to add a Victory VX Kraken to run next to it though.
I like this guy. And I agree with him about how amp in a box style pedals should be able to be fed other pedals, like a proper amp channel. I use all of the Revv pedals like that.
It all depends on what you want to achieve... A sound is a sound. If you want the amp sounds you should get the amp, however if you are after am AIAB sound then get a preamp style pedal and couple it with an IR loader and a DI Box in order to have an amp-less rig, well then go for the pedal. There are trade-offs in either approach.
Can we please see more of Nick in the future? He did a great job!
@@_Messag__me_mary_spende Yes, let's talk here in the comments field! I'm curious of what you have to say...
Finally, the case for valve amps vs solid state has been demonstrated in a way that people can hear the difference.
Just to add some info on the experience of the going into the front end method. Sure, your results may vary and you might prefer the 4 cable method but I've found going straight into the front end with a Victroy V4 Kraken gets really nice results and lets a bit of the amp's character come through as well. To qualify this though I wouldn't recommend going into an amp's dirty channel with it. It's great into a marshall or orange clean channel for example and gives you their character with an extra bit of special sauce basically and also allows for much easier setup and breakdown in a live situation. Just some food for thought anyway.
I got the SLO pedal for xmas and after listening to this Kraken and Chug I like my Headrush MX5 and Spark40 better for digital/ss hi gain tones maybe bc they are modelers sculpting the whole tone (amp effects speakers cabs) as a unit vs plugging a dist pedal into whatever amp u may own. For me if Im going to take up floorspace for a combo or cab it might as well be a real tube amp with a tubescreamer or boost in front wout the cringy digital artifacts of pedal distortion. I use an frfr 108 on a shelf w MX5 and Spark is on a table off the floor being a bookshelf practice amp but Id gig the MX5 w a frfr 112 or a pair.
@_Messag__me__AndertonsMusic_Co lets not.
It's sounds soo good! I'm curious if the kraken v4 preamp can connect to a Seymour Duncan power stage
Yes it can.
Guys this is great , informative and really funny
I think Nick should come back lots
Why aye man!!
I’m allowed to say that I live in …. Berwick 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
I see these pedals as being something on their own, albeit maybe closely mimicking the original. Does the demo of the pedal sound good or does it do what I want? I had a Friedman BE 100 Deluxe, and the BE-OD Deluxe pedal. They sounded close, but different. And I preferred the pedal into the clean channel of the BE 100. Guess which one I sold...
When you switched the Boss to Crunch and reduced the gain, You forgot to turn it back up on clean, Think that made things worse testing, Gain was 5 then you went crunch and left it on 3 which is now too low
Given that I don't think many people travel with their amps anymore and rather use pedals and/or just preamps as they are MUCH easier to lug around. Any chance you could compare PreAmp tube arrangements (like the AMT Bricks for example) vs pedal equivalents vs guitar processors? Just use a box standard PA for the power amp side. It is what traveling musicians do now days.
Sorry, I only just just thought of this. For the power amp side. Just plug via an average analogue mixer and onto one of those 12 inch powered speaker you get in any live/open mic pub across the land
Travel and touring musicians are different breeds. A touring band will rent traditional gear to take on the road if they aren't loading in/out their own gear. A travel musician is an individual who is thinking maximum portability vs tone as a priority and is probably more sensitive to cost of gear. Personally, I wouldn't let my tone be in the hands of a house PA or venue monitoring as my primary sound because that element can vary so greatly. For guitar, micing a guitar cab will always yield the best tone live.
@@bobbyzig3879 Totally agree. I am a super average guitar and singer, but even I felt the need to travel light. That's why I created my tone at the pre-amp stage with (+ tuner) some basic effects and AMT Bricks (plus a portable car jump starter for the DC power) then straight into a mixer. You can still get them from Amazon and/or Thomann I think, but the prices have gone up quite a lot. Now days you can even get relatively cheap in-ear monitors that work well in/with a basic set up.
ha! I actually prefered the v4 preamp into the poweramp than the full super kraken on its own
Very knowledgeable video danke , arigato, merci, thank you , gracias .
MORE NICK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Novice question here but does the valve head work on its own, or does that need to go into a cab?
YES please try the ola chug pedal :)
Ok so when they took the katana out wtf is it plugged into then? Just a speaker cab?
With the distortion pedal, u can clean it up when u using the dirty channel of an amp. Thats what i found this all my years playing guitar.
The Captain being a bit of a stunt for letting that joke go unacknowledged 😆
I always thought pedals didn't get enough current operating them to produce punchy and full bass frequencies, compared to the amps.
So to sum it up, I guess the best choice is to have a Kraken preamp into a Kraken power amp, right?
How in the hell do they fit tubes in those little pedals/amplifiers?
hum awesome guys .
Lee thinking that the Preamp pedal into the Katana and the V4 amp sound identical is hilarious. If you listen to them back to back, it sounds quite a bit different. It could be settings, etc. rather than just some design difference, but I really think Lee already had it in his mind that it would sound the same.
Hoping to see PhilX on Andertons!
i wonder would adding a distortion pedal be worth it or is it even needed with this amp????????
This is interesting, but i'm more interested in "can humbuckers sound like singlecoils?". More specifically is it possible to split a humbucker and get a tele'ish sound without sacrificing anything? Like if youre jamming, you pull a knob, do tele stuff, pop knob down and continue doing rock/metal stuff. Noone seems to give a straight answer, and the only closest solution i found so far is messing with EQ a lot, to the point where you can only have either split or humbucker sounding good but not both
Maybe I'm not understanding this, but isn't the katana already an amp in a box?
Will Nick even be dressed in the summer?
We’re not Trouser-Flapping volume!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂
you should have put that little kraken pedal into the fx loop and bypassed the katana's preamp to see how close it is to a actual kraken
The question this video is titled has a clear answer without even needing to watch... Yes of course. There are tons and tons of bands/musicians who use products like Helix, Axe FX, GT1000 etc. It comes down to what sound you want.
So can you plug the kraken pre amp directly into a cab or is there something in an amp that the kraken needs?
No, the V4 preamp requires a power amp stage. The larger pedal has the power amp built in. I use my V4 through the power section of my other amps. It's a bit like adding a channel to your amp. You could use the V4 preamp direct into an audio interface for home recording..
@@johnwardle9667 thanks for the quick response! Does the V4 preamp suit your needs and if given the option would you change it for the “full” amp pedal?
@@commandohornet2295 I think it all depends how you want to use it. The "V4 amp" is about double the price of the "V4 preamp". If you already have a power amp you love you can just get the preamp version.
I have the V4 Kraken preamp and it certainly needs a good power stage to sound its best. It sounds like something is missing if you try to run it direct into an IR for example. For the most part the V4 premap range is meant to be ran with the "4 cable" method into an existing amp. However in a pinch you can run it into the front of a clean amp. Often you will used to use the -1 or -2 bright switch setting when doing so.
Also this video leaves out running a tube screamer-like boost (volume 80%-100%, gain 0% and tone 60%.) on the green channel. Really sounds great that way. It's debatable if the red channel needs a boost or not.
@@wootks that’s solid advice. I really appreciate you guys.
Might just save for the full amp. Might take a while but it’s just so beautiful.
you could plug it into a powered cab
Surprised there aren't more comments on the chest hair. Seriously, though, great playing.
monster player he is
That video title is like, sooooo '2019'!🤣🤣🤣
Congratulations Captain how did you get Matt Hardy from WWE to do the demos. Unfortunately to me these are not best of breed
Not saying the amp isn't better, but there is a lot of bias coming in here in terms of wanting it to sound better.
The Original amp was a good 10dB louder than the V4 pedal. That in itself would make you hear it as 'better'.
I have a V4 Kraken Preamp. Easily one of the best gear purchases I have ever made.
With wich amp are you using it? I'm really considering the preamp too.
@@BetonBenni I was using it with a Marshall DSL20HR head for a bit (sounded great) but now I'm just using it in the fx loop of my Boss GT1000 and have that going into a Seymour Duncan Powerstage power amp. Sounds killer.
@@thecaptainofdeath thanks. Some guys are saying, that it doesn't sound great through their Marshall amps. I'm planning to use it with my JVM 410h... Did it sound thin through your Marshall?
@@BetonBenni Nah I thought it sounded pretty beefy. I was using the 4 cable method though (recommended). I would imagine if you plugged into the front of the amp like an overdrive/distortion it would sound thin.
@@thecaptainofdeath thanks
Lord of the Stance.
Based on the “head vs tread” video from a while back, the difference is mostly in our eyes.
I dont get it. So with the v1 pedals, you still need an amp?
Putting it into a Katana though, does it sound minimum £200's worth of investment better than the built-in distortions? To me, it still sounded like a driven Katana.
Granted, the valve variants did sound good, but it's such a huge investment when there are so many great options out there. Maybe I'm just too cheap 😂 but using a Katana and a HT-5R I'm content with the range of tones on offer.
Now that's a pretty blouse
What about pedals NOT "that small", like your traditional "stompbox size" (or at least with one switch, you know), but ones like those by Diezel, who have ones that are supposed to actually sound like their amplifier-counterpart (or at least the pre-amps of them) by literal claim?... - I have heard the pedals and they do sound good, but I don't know how close they are, really. - They're also solid-state, by the way, and not like valve-driven pre-amps, not even anything that would emulate them (like "nu-tubes" or whatever), such as the Victory V4s. - But they better be good, cause they're also like 300 Dollars, which is kinda crazy. But then they're also very fleshed-out with features, not just 3-5 knobs and a switch.
I bought the V4 kraken preamp and I wasn't impressed. I ran it through my Marshall DSL40CR and it sounded thin and lifeless. The Marshall gain sounded better. I need to try the VX
Did you put it in the fx loop?
@@DarrenPrice333 yeah, connected up as directed.
Didn't sound anything like it did on this video and I used a valve power amp unlike them using it on the boss Katana.
@@jarrusjenkins I run mine in the fx loop of my evhiii 6l6 head and it’s my main drive. Maybe if I played at gig volume, it would be a different outcome
@@DarrenPrice333 fair play to ya, but I'd think you're 5150 would have been good enough on its own though?
V1 pedal sounds like a line 6 spider digital amp setting. lol
Trouser flapping volume 😂
Well it IS the same branding but It's like an am radio versus Dolby thx playing the same song
I've played my trumpet in an anechoic chamber, that's the closest I can come to describe what amp simulators feel like. It feels like I'm suffocating. Next y'all gonna say playing tennis on a Wii console is just like playing on the grass at Wimbledon.
My Two Notes Le Clean dishes up a heapin' helpin' of Blackface tones!
we need a pedal into the preamp into the amp video... for science
It's like Phil X and Russel Brand had a love child.
IMO, all amp in a box pedals have to go through the effects loop
“This one goes to Trouser Flapping”
Indeed, do the chug pedal
I didn't know Jon Snow was such a killer guitar player
His accent reminds me of: "There are those who call me...Tim?"
But his appearance is more: Gimli the Guitarist. (And he really reinforced that with that "reverb is for the weak" pronouncement!)
Honestly the v4 preamp sounds much better than the distortion pedal.
It’s my amp in a box
My amp in a box babe
It’s my amp in a box
Ooh, my amp in a box girl
“Reverb is for the weak” 😂🤚🏼
Capn, The Katana does not actually use a Class D output section, as you erroneously stated. Yes, most amps of this type do. But the Katana uses a solid state Class A/B
And that’s what he said my friend.
Class a/b is not digital.
@@SanDimas234 Class a/b can be digital ruclips.net/video/XNUeYcpH6lU/видео.html
@@justmehere6094 I can't see hear where it is mentioned?
@@SanDimas234 right at the 10 seconf mark where he says one of the biggest selling features of the Katana is it's Class A/B power section, unlike most solid state amps in the guitar world, that are class D. Then again at arounf 6:08 where he talks about how Boss designed it as a class A/B and why.