Josh, the problem is the valve cover mounted fuel pump. Diaphragm in it broke, causing gas to leak into crankcase.When the engine warmed up the gas in the oil boiled causing the gas/oil vapor to enter the intake through the breather system. Replace the pump/valve cover assembly. Change the oil and filter. Run it. It will smoke until the gas/oil in the intake burns off. That's it
Tim, If it does have the old style fuel pump I will agree with you. I haven't had one of these big boys in for repairs. If this does have the "Black" EFI box with the float in it this condition is very possible and I have had a couple Kohler EFIs come in with this same issue. The EFI box vent hose goes up to the air intake before the throttle valve. If the float in the box sticks it will allow gas to fill up the engine. Easy to diagnose is to pull the small unclamped hose off of the top of the EFI box and check for gas flowing out of the box and hose. Fix is to change the box and get back to sawing lumber. The smoke will clear up soon.
I was wondering if he changed the filter when he changed the oil to get all the fuel out. You gota determine how the fuel got into the engine or it will definitely happen again. I’ve had it happen on carbureted engines on zero turns without doing permanent damage but I haven’t owned a fuel injection model yet.
@@marvinbrickhouse9122 I didn't see him change the filter either. But, shouldn't be a big deal with what little oil is held in them. I'm betting there is no damage done to this engine.
I had fuel injectors leak due to scoring and or the injector was in the down when the engine was stopped. On large slow speed deisels we roll the engine over on air and the fuel collected in the cylinder will catch on fire. Since rolling the engine over the cylinders valve cocks are open to see if any problems before operating
The one thing this reinforced to me and we are all probably guilty of is not checking the oil level prior to running engines. I will make sure I do this on all my equipment in the future. Thanks for the lesson.
Like another guy mentioned those Kohler engines have issues. When I was researching high hp fuel injected motors for zero turns lots of people said don’t get a Kohler go with the Kawasaki. That’s exactly what I did. I bought a Gravely Pro Turn 660 with the Kawasaki EFI 38HP. It’s been good so far 100 hours of junky grass. Josh I hope no matter what happens Wood Mizer takes care of you. That’s very unfortunate on such a new machine. Good luck buddy 👍🏼
Grok says: Leaking Fuel Injectors: If fuel injectors are faulty or worn out, they might leak fuel directly into the combustion chamber when the engine is not running. This unburned fuel can seep past the piston rings into the crankcase, mixing with the engine oil. Over time, this can dilute the oil, reducing its lubricating properties and leading to wear or visible blue smoke due to oil burning in the combustion process. Rich Fuel Mixture: A malfunction in the fuel system or sensors like the oxygen sensor, mass airflow sensor, or throttle position sensor can cause the engine to run too rich. This means more fuel than necessary is injected into the cylinders. Excess fuel can wash down the cylinder walls, mixing with the oil. If this mixture is significant, it can lead to oil dilution and blue smoke. Cylinder Head Issues: Cracks in the cylinder head or head gasket failure can allow fuel to enter areas where it shouldn't, like directly into the oil pan. This might be due to overheating, warping, or manufacturing defects. Piston Ring Wear or Damage: If the piston rings are worn, damaged, or not sealing properly, fuel can leak past them into the crankcase. This not only leads to oil dilution but also allows oil to escape into the combustion chamber, resulting in blue smoke. Valve Stem Seals: Leaking valve stem seals can allow oil to slip past into the combustion chamber. While this primarily contributes to oil burning, in a scenario where fuel is also leaking or misfiring, it can compound the issue. Misfiring or Poor Combustion: If the engine is misfiring, unburned fuel can enter the crankcase through the same pathways as oil, leading to dilution. Misfires can be caused by a variety of issues, including spark plug or ignition coil problems, which indirectly contribute to this scenario.
About 45 years ago when I was just starting an IT career, although we were a mainframe shop, we were developing some applications on a "mini" computer (before PCs) for a client and somewhere in the process of development we got an error message "Shut her down Murphy, she's pumping mud" that some programmer had put into the error logic of the CPU. Hadn't thought of that phrase for 45 years. I don't know the first thing about those Kohler engines but your comment at the end just popped that memory up. Happily, it looks like you have some knowledgeable viewers. Wish you good luck with it. P.S. Referring to previous video, I am also a Cody subscriber.
Josh, just in case you missed this, You With all the swellings in both legs and feet, I wanted to let you know that hospice has given me 2-4 months to liver. You have allways given me the ut most respect and care. Love ya Love ya and will miss you.
Try drinking a gallon of DISTILLED water in 24 hours. Add a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar to your cup whenever you can to help "clean out" your kidneys. Keep your feet and knees elevated. Expect to get up several times at night to go pee. This is a good thing. I was able to improve my kidney function from 45% to well over 70% by doing this once or twice a week. Prayers for improvement!
Being over full the oil/gas mix made its way into the PCV and through the throttle body. It takes a while to clear. I dont think you ran it long enough to cause damage. I think the engine is going to be fine. With fresh oil, you won't be hurting it by continuing to use it. Always turn the fuel off when done using it.
Kohler are notorious for head gaskets blowing and sucking oil thru the gasket. I did one on a ferris not too bad. I would say one of the head gaskets blew. That's why you're getting a pulse effect in the smoke.
And that’s why I always check engine oil on my machines before I start them, even if I just ran it the day before. You never assume it should be good, a seal or whatever could cause a leak and low oil, however in your case, when was the last time you checked the oil on the mill to have almost 2 quarts of gas in it. I hope it’s not an expensive lesson for you Josh. Good luck!
You most likely have a faulty fuel injector, like a stuck fuel injector or a bad fuel pressure regulator. But you should always check under the hood , all Fluid levels belts , missing bolts, etc. you would be surprised at what you can find. You should always shut any fuel tank shut off valves when your done using a piece of equipment, Like it was back in the old days.
Flying lesson? Maybe I missed you talking about it in earlier videos, I was picking up on the "clear prop" comments and wondering where that was coming from. Glad to hear you're picking up the addiction. Take the camera along, would love to see your flight training experiences.
Roy Clark and Buck Owens said it best, 🎵"If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all, Gloom, despair and agony on me." 🎶 Let's hope they take care of you with that engine Josh. Lets also hope you don't have to be without your sawmill for months while they figure it out and fix it. Keep us updated.
My nephews did the same thing, he tapped it a few times on the carburetor that unstuck the float it never did it again. Probably a piece of dirt made the float not seal good in the seat,and now here at the end probably blown headgasket. Still new, they WILL be making this right.ood luck my friend
Looks like you got a decent level of advice/diagnoses. My problem with that was a head gasket, but hopefully you'll get a warranty replacement. With my Chevy the injectors were messing up, and when I used Marvel Mystery Oil in the fuel that provided enough lube to keep the injectors working, though it still idled slightly rough, until I replaced them. It does make a person curious concerning the fuel we are getting...
you have a bad coil, mine did that with new motor around 100 hrs take the plug wire at a time. one cylinder is running and the other is not firing ,washing the cylinder with gas.
i am getting hip replacements on the 28th so i hired this guy to help get firewood in order I PAID HIM WELL! when he left so did my husqvarna 550xp-g mk2 with 2-3 hours on it and a sugihara light bar on it. i thought i had a bad day. good luck with your bad day big guy. rick central ny
You should phone your Husqvarna dealer. He will be so impressed that this guy you hired, was so pleased with how well their chainsaw worked that he just couldn't stand to leave it behind! 😂 In all seriousness, I can't stand douchebags like that. I worked for a neighbor farmer through three years of highschool. I easily could have filled the tank up on my pickup truck lots of times, and he would have never known the difference. But I never scammed gasoline off of him ever. He's almost ninety now, and we still keep in touch.
Fuel pump is usually run by vaccuum hose coming off valve cover, if diaphram in pump fails you coule possibly leak gas right into valve cover from pump, get someone to do a leak down test and see of one of the head gaskets is blown. If all that isnt an issue and you run it and doesnt clear up i would take the sump off of the engine and see what you can see. Idk about fuel in the states but in canada they water it down and put ethanol in it to burn it, well after 6 months it will separate and cause fuel issues, if the pump failed a guess would be water separation froze in the pump and when you started it it tore the diaphram.
Send the oil to a lab for analysis! Pull the plugs and do a compression test on both cylinders. I know what Woodmizer is going to say..."Our instructions tell you to turn off the fuel shutoff valve...especially in cold weather!"
Likely a failed injector. I bought an old machine with a B&S cast iron engine that came with the same condition. Crank case was overflowing with gas mixed in the oil. Previous owner could only tell me it had sat for "awhile". Cleaned the gas tank and carb, gave it fresh oil, took a lot of adjusting the jets and governor, but it finally started and has run for a couple hundred hours since without issue. Despite being fuel injection, you might be ok, without serious damage.
Josh, Kohler doesn't have a very good reputation. Depending on how bad it is, if you have to re-power the sawmill I would go with another choice. Also, I word of advice... use the same oil you use in your tractor. 5w40 or 15w40.
Not sure about your machinery but some if you are ready to hook up the hydraulic lines, shut down the engine, cycle the hydraulic levers a few times. That will release the pressure in the lines making it easy to attach them.
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer Ran across a company called Small Engine Warehouse on Red Beard's Garage channel a while back. They have a 40 horse Briggs for $3299 and a water cooled 31 horse Kawasaki for about the same. Doesn't need to hurt so bad....
I had the same problem with my can am side by side. Called the dealer and they said it is caused by the choke. They told me that running the machine for short runs without letting the engine warm up fully causes the issue. Makes no sense to me at all!
Sounds like an excuse for a poor quality product. There are tons of machines out there that get started cold and instantly go full throttle for 3-5 minutes then shut off for the day and they last thousands of hours this way still.
blue smoke is oil, if it ran out of oil or was extremely fuel contaminated it my have picked up a piston and scored the bore. The other alternative is it has diesel instead of gas in the tank.
Could be a head gasket, or could be collapsed rings on one cylinder. The exhaust smoke puffing looks like it's down compression on one cylinder. This could be the result of a head gasket failure or collapsed rings, or it could also be the result of the engine running rich and washing the cylinder down on one jug. Also, I don't know if you know this, most people don't, on an air cooled engine, the hottest the engine will ever get is when you shut it off immediately after running it under load. The reason why is once you shut the engine off, the fan stops moving cooling air and cylinder temperatures spike. High cylinder temps on shutdown can cause the piston rings to lose tension. It is best practice to bring the throttle back to idle and allow the engine to run at idle for a minute or two before shutdown. This gives the cylinders time to dissipate heat before they lose cooling.
You stop for snow; if we did that here we wouldn’t get much done this time or the year. LOL It’s time to get a little diesel engine. Run this one until it blows completely…
I bought the Husqvarna gas/oil can maybe 4 years ago. The Price was a lot less but the shipping was a lot more it came from the UK. They seem to not sell it in the USA. It looks like the link you posted is for a store in Japan. Mine came with two spouts.. the self shut off gas spout had the o-ring swell up. Maybe because I use E-10. I should try and replace the O-ring.
@StoneyRidgeFarmer that truck is new enough a scan tool should tell you which cylinder is missing. Likely a bad plug. You could get by just changing the one or put new plugs and wires in for piece of mind.
@RYAN-nd8bv LOL! II had to go back and watch. I can’t stop laughing that something that size fell out of the engine and you are the only one that noticed.
The efi or lift pump probably messed up. I have a stump grinder with the same engine with 340 hours, it started filling the crankcase with gas. Make me sick how much I spent on the machine for such a well known problem (after a little internet research).
I have an old carburated motor cycle that the float stuck and gas goes right into the crankcase, I know that one is fuel injected but I’m sure it has some sort of pump/diaphram/something that is allowing the same thing to happen
First, check your fuel tank cap. If it’s not venting it will pressurize the gas tank and push gas thru the vent tube into the engine. The fuel pump has a float inside the high pressure pump. Check the vent on the fuel cap.
Gas can mix with your engine oil due to a number of reasons, most commonly because of faulty fuel injectors that are leaking, worn piston rings which allow unburned fuel to pass into the crankcase, a faulty fuel pressure regulator, or driving conditions like frequent short trips where the engine doesn't reach full operating temperature, causing incomplete fuel combustion and allowing gasoline to seep into the oil pan.
U should put some stringers on the floor near the log lift so u can roll the logs onto the log lift without the machine , suxs that the moter took a crap when u needed it to work but u might have a bad injector that flooded the crank case
I'm not there but my best guess is broken rings. Compression tester would verify that. How did they break? If you use ethanol blend gas there is the issue. You store the unit outside in the weather. Gas tank is vented and as temp changes the gas tank breathes. As it sucks in moisture laden air the ethanol in the gas will absorb the water entrained in the air. When you run the engine that water will be injected into the chamber. Water does not compress and will break the rings. Could also be the cause of the rise in oil sump level. Incomplete combustion of the air and bad fuel mixture bypassing broken rings. Easy was to confirm is to start the engine, remove the oil fill cap and look for blowby coming from the oil fill cap.That shows top end blow by. To check for low end blow by when engine is running pull the dip stick and look for gasses and or oil mist coming from the dip stick hole. Engine is toast. When you install the replacement engine only use ethanol free gas.
Ethanol is terrible for engines that sit any amount of time. We get by with it in vehicles because we run them daily. I run ethanol free in everything including my jeep because it’s not a daily driver.
Broken rings would explain the white smoke with crank case oil getting into the combustion chamber. This doesn't explain how fuel injected, metered fuel got into the crank case though. Fuel injection doesn't generally leak into the cylinder when not running.
Cylinder wall is scored from the gas in the oil. Gas is what we used to use to clean oily parts, it cleans the oil off the cylinder wall. Piston scored, cyl wall scored more than likely the crank and rod is wasted as well. If it is fuel injected an injector is leaking excess fuel into the cylinder and washing the oil off the wall. Rinsing the excess gas into the sump. It is done.
Ever noticed how you have to use your tools (truck) to get tools (adjustable wrench) to work on your tools(Kohler engine) that power your tools (sawmill) ??
But its an air cooled motor, no coolant there. If you smell the oil, theres probably fuel in the oil, fuel pump probably failed. Best to put a new fuel pump on, change the oil/filters and see if it will run. Run it too long like that and youll burn up the rings.
JOSH, OMG you're burning oil... that's the blue smoke you see coming out of the exhaust. The engine needs to be torn down to see the extent of the engine damage. Wish it away won't fix anything. A rebuild or engine replacement is what's in store for that woodmiser LT 40. But some preliminary checks like a compression test. Yes I agree the rings are worn or cracked.
its a pretty common thing fuel pump blew dumping gas in the engine replace that pump. also you have oil all in that muffler its going to take a while to burn it out
Remember that comment that made about hiring someone to maintain your equipment. I'm not saying some neighbor or friend. I'm talking about a mechanic with knowledge of a lil bit of everything you have.
huh? You mean the chainsaw gas can I showed ya? That's not for the sawmill my brother. More to come on this for sure...I ordered some parts and spoke with woodmizer
Maybe get ahold of taryll fixes all... Why did u check the trans fluid with it off... 😮 Did I hear right yiur taking flying lessons.. Lucky dog lol you need to find time to come to the greatest air show around at airventure in Oshkosh wis end of July as a air for e vet hounwoukd like it 👍
You just need a gas / diesel shut off valve ❤ on all farm and equipment you should have it done ❤ it will not hurt the engine ❤ I did it 40 + yrs ago on all my engines ❤ they are still running when I sold them 20 yrs later ❤ just remember before you plan to start using them you need to do a regular oil change ❤ Pete uses the same concept on his tractors 🚜 just remember to turn the VALVE OFF ❤ you should not have any problems ❤ please 🙏 comment I will respond with more information ❤❤ the smoke it’s reminding you to get it done❤
The engine itself is fine. Did you change the oil filter? I wood shut the gas off and let it run dry and check the oil again before you run it. Could be a fuel pump problem. It ran perfectly so the engine itself should be ok. Ken
depends on what you're doing, If you're custom sawing as a mobile sawmill you could pay for the mill in a couple months. If milling up your own lumber for your farm, a rough cut oak fence board is like $6 or your local 2x4 price could be $4 ish....so buy it once, and always have it for this kinda stuff. Every farm/homestead needs one!
Josh, the problem is the valve cover mounted fuel pump. Diaphragm in it broke, causing gas to leak into crankcase.When the engine warmed up the gas in the oil boiled causing the gas/oil vapor to enter the intake through the breather system. Replace the pump/valve cover assembly. Change the oil and filter. Run it. It will smoke until the gas/oil in the intake burns off. That's it
I think you have the solution. Good job diagnosing the issue.
Tim, If it does have the old style fuel pump I will agree with you. I haven't had one of these big boys in for repairs. If this does have the "Black" EFI box with the float in it this condition is very possible and I have had a couple Kohler EFIs come in with this same issue. The EFI box vent hose goes up to the air intake before the throttle valve. If the float in the box sticks it will allow gas to fill up the engine. Easy to diagnose is to pull the small unclamped hose off of the top of the EFI box and check for gas flowing out of the box and hose. Fix is to change the box and get back to sawing lumber. The smoke will clear up soon.
I was wondering if he changed the filter when he changed the oil to get all the fuel out. You gota determine how the fuel got into the engine or it will definitely happen again. I’ve had it happen on carbureted engines on zero turns without doing permanent damage but I haven’t owned a fuel injection model yet.
@@marvinbrickhouse9122 I didn't see him change the filter either. But, shouldn't be a big deal with what little oil is held in them. I'm betting there is no damage done to this engine.
I had fuel injectors leak due to scoring and or the injector was in the down when the engine was stopped. On large slow speed deisels we roll the engine over on air and the fuel collected in the cylinder will catch on fire. Since rolling the engine over the cylinders valve cocks are open to see if any problems before operating
The one thing this reinforced to me and we are all probably guilty of is not checking the oil level prior to running engines. I will make sure I do this on all my equipment in the future. Thanks for the lesson.
Like another guy mentioned those Kohler engines have issues. When I was researching high hp fuel injected motors for zero turns lots of people said don’t get a Kohler go with the Kawasaki. That’s exactly what I did. I bought a Gravely Pro Turn 660 with the Kawasaki EFI 38HP. It’s been good so far 100 hours of junky grass. Josh I hope no matter what happens Wood Mizer takes care of you. That’s very unfortunate on such a new machine. Good luck buddy 👍🏼
Grok says:
Leaking Fuel Injectors:
If fuel injectors are faulty or worn out, they might leak fuel directly into the combustion chamber when the engine is not running. This unburned fuel can seep past the piston rings into the crankcase, mixing with the engine oil. Over time, this can dilute the oil, reducing its lubricating properties and leading to wear or visible blue smoke due to oil burning in the combustion process.
Rich Fuel Mixture:
A malfunction in the fuel system or sensors like the oxygen sensor, mass airflow sensor, or throttle position sensor can cause the engine to run too rich. This means more fuel than necessary is injected into the cylinders. Excess fuel can wash down the cylinder walls, mixing with the oil. If this mixture is significant, it can lead to oil dilution and blue smoke.
Cylinder Head Issues:
Cracks in the cylinder head or head gasket failure can allow fuel to enter areas where it shouldn't, like directly into the oil pan. This might be due to overheating, warping, or manufacturing defects.
Piston Ring Wear or Damage:
If the piston rings are worn, damaged, or not sealing properly, fuel can leak past them into the crankcase. This not only leads to oil dilution but also allows oil to escape into the combustion chamber, resulting in blue smoke.
Valve Stem Seals:
Leaking valve stem seals can allow oil to slip past into the combustion chamber. While this primarily contributes to oil burning, in a scenario where fuel is also leaking or misfiring, it can compound the issue.
Misfiring or Poor Combustion:
If the engine is misfiring, unburned fuel can enter the crankcase through the same pathways as oil, leading to dilution. Misfires can be caused by a variety of issues, including spark plug or ignition coil problems, which indirectly contribute to this scenario.
About 45 years ago when I was just starting an IT career, although we were a mainframe shop, we were developing some applications on a "mini" computer (before PCs) for a client and somewhere in the process of development we got an error message "Shut her down Murphy, she's pumping mud" that some programmer had put into the error logic of the CPU. Hadn't thought of that phrase for 45 years. I don't know the first thing about those Kohler engines but your comment at the end just popped that memory up. Happily, it looks like you have some knowledgeable viewers. Wish you good luck with it. P.S. Referring to previous video, I am also a Cody subscriber.
That programmer had a great sense of humor! I will remember this. 😂
I am sorry for the engine troubles that you are experiencing. I wish you the best on getting it resolved!
Josh, just in case you missed this, You With all the swellings in both legs and feet, I wanted to let you know that
hospice has given me 2-4 months to liver. You have allways given me the ut most respect and care. Love ya
Love ya and will miss you.
You are in my prayers
Try drinking a gallon of DISTILLED water in 24 hours. Add a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar to your cup whenever you can to help "clean out" your kidneys. Keep your feet and knees elevated. Expect to get up several times at night to go pee. This is a good thing. I was able to improve my kidney function from 45% to well over 70% by doing this once or twice a week. Prayers for improvement!
prayers brother
This is like watching Yukon Gold show. Everything breaking down having to fix it. More fixing than mining for gold.
Wow! Sorry that happened!!
more to come on this next weekend! I ordered some parts and spoke with woodmizer! Hopefully we get this solved
Being over full the oil/gas mix made its way into the PCV and through the throttle body. It takes a while to clear. I dont think you ran it long enough to cause damage. I think the engine is going to be fine. With fresh oil, you won't be hurting it by continuing to use it. Always turn the fuel off when done using it.
If gas is going to the oil, it could hurt it. The best thing to do is shut it down and call the company.
Kohler are notorious for head gaskets blowing and sucking oil thru the gasket. I did one on a ferris not too bad. I would say one of the head gaskets blew. That's why you're getting a pulse effect in the smoke.
New subscriber to your channel. Enjoying the content.
welcome to the channel!
@StoneyRidgeFarmer Thank you
Hey Josh thank you for the video it seems like everything is going all in one day but hopefully things are getting better now for you
And that’s why I always check engine oil on my machines before I start them, even if I just ran it the day before. You never assume it should be good, a seal or whatever could cause a leak and low oil, however in your case, when was the last time you checked the oil on the mill to have almost 2 quarts of gas in it. I hope it’s not an expensive lesson for you Josh. Good luck!
Trash in the gas and plugged the mechanical injection open?
You most likely have a faulty fuel injector, like a stuck fuel injector or a bad fuel pressure regulator.
But you should always check under the hood , all Fluid levels belts , missing bolts, etc. you would be surprised at what you can find. You should always shut any fuel tank shut off valves when your done using a piece of equipment, Like it was back in the old days.
Flying lesson? Maybe I missed you talking about it in earlier videos, I was picking up on the "clear prop" comments and wondering where that was coming from. Glad to hear you're picking up the addiction. Take the camera along, would love to see your flight training experiences.
Hey Josh, don't keep using it you'll wreck that motor, the comment about the fuel pump diaphragm rupturing, makes sence to me, check it out old son.
Carb flooding is most common problem 😢
Please keep us in the loop on what they do with the engine. Man, That SUCKS!
Roy Clark and Buck Owens said it best,
🎵"If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all,
Gloom, despair and agony on me." 🎶
Let's hope they take care of you with that engine Josh. Lets also hope you don't have to be without your sawmill for months while they figure it out and fix it. Keep us updated.
My nephews did the same thing, he tapped it a few times on the carburetor that unstuck the float it never did it again. Probably a piece of dirt made the float not seal good in the seat,and now here at the end probably blown headgasket.
Still new, they WILL be making this right.ood luck my friend
Makes you appreciate good days / sorry about your troubles
Looks like you got a decent level of advice/diagnoses. My problem with that was a head gasket, but hopefully you'll get a warranty replacement. With my Chevy the injectors were messing up, and when I used Marvel Mystery Oil in the fuel that provided enough lube to keep the injectors working, though it still idled slightly rough, until I replaced them. It does make a person curious concerning the fuel we are getting...
Thanks for sharing and taking us along
you have a bad coil, mine did that with new motor around 100 hrs take the plug wire at a time. one cylinder is running and the other is not firing ,washing the cylinder with gas.
i am getting hip replacements on the 28th so i hired this guy to help get firewood in order I PAID HIM WELL! when he left so did my husqvarna 550xp-g mk2 with 2-3 hours on it and a sugihara light bar on it. i thought i had a bad day. good luck with your bad day big guy. rick central ny
You should phone your Husqvarna dealer. He will be so impressed that this guy you hired, was so pleased with how well their chainsaw worked that he just couldn't stand to leave it behind! 😂 In all seriousness, I can't stand douchebags like that. I worked for a neighbor farmer through three years of highschool. I easily could have filled the tank up on my pickup truck lots of times, and he would have never known the difference. But I never scammed gasoline off of him ever. He's almost ninety now, and we still keep in touch.
call the police and report him!
Fuel pump is usually run by vaccuum hose coming off valve cover, if diaphram in pump fails you coule possibly leak gas right into valve cover from pump, get someone to do a leak down test and see of one of the head gaskets is blown. If all that isnt an issue and you run it and doesnt clear up i would take the sump off of the engine and see what you can see. Idk about fuel in the states but in canada they water it down and put ethanol in it to burn it, well after 6 months it will separate and cause fuel issues, if the pump failed a guess would be water separation froze in the pump and when you started it it tore the diaphram.
yepers...exaclty!! check out the repair of this situation in this weekend's video....I found the problem!
Oh man! Could smell the fumes from here. Not been the best time last week for us farmers. Looking forward to seeing your solutions. Prayers
Send the oil to a lab for analysis! Pull the plugs and do a compression test on both cylinders.
I know what Woodmizer is going to say..."Our instructions tell you to turn off the fuel shutoff valve...especially in cold weather!"
Likely a failed injector.
I bought an old machine with a B&S cast iron engine that came with the same condition. Crank case was overflowing with gas mixed in the oil. Previous owner could only tell me it had sat for "awhile". Cleaned the gas tank and carb, gave it fresh oil, took a lot of adjusting the jets and governor, but it finally started and has run for a couple hundred hours since without issue. Despite being fuel injection, you might be ok, without serious damage.
My ls loves to eat plugs and wires from idling, saw mill could be stuck open injector since its efi, only use blue stable in engines that sit .
Idk what motor that was neighbor, but i have good luck with the Honda gx series for applications like that.
Josh, Kohler doesn't have a very good reputation. Depending on how bad it is, if you have to re-power the sawmill I would go with another choice. Also, I word of advice... use the same oil you use in your tractor. 5w40 or 15w40.
Thank you very much for the video sir
Cold weather does weird stuff to vehicles and engines. I had several things fail on my truck when we had several very cold days down here in SC.
Good morning !! 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Not sure about your machinery but some if you are ready to hook up the hydraulic lines, shut down the engine, cycle the hydraulic levers a few times. That will release the pressure in the lines making it easy to attach them.
so, when the engine is off the hydraulics won't cycle...I hear ya, that's what I do in my tractors for sure! If it's a lever and not a button
My buddy has a wood mizer just like that and has changed the engine three times
ouch!!
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer Ran across a company called Small Engine Warehouse on Red Beard's Garage channel a while back. They have a 40 horse Briggs for $3299 and a water cooled 31 horse Kawasaki for about the same. Doesn't need to hurt so bad....
I run two Woodmizer mills with that same power plant .
Several hundred hrs on both, never a issue.
Keep us posted sir.
Awesome fuel tank as well
My buddy put a Honda engine on his mill last year he said not 1 problem since
That’s why i put a fuel shut off on my Kohler engine
And why you check the oil before starting the engine every time
Fuel manual shut off is very bad and doing it every single time 😮
Never fails, when someone comes to help work, something fails.
Always check the oil
I know how you feel I’m
A cattle farmer to and I have had a days like this to it will get better
given the choice between a skid steer and a wheel loader of the same size, I would take the loader every time.
70 hours???? HOLY SMOKES!!!
Fuel pump filled the crankcase with oil
Change your fuel pump, fuel solenoid , you can generally fund a good deal on a carburetor withh a solenoid.
Flashing check engine light is bad thing. Possible bad coil
I had the same problem with my can am side by side. Called the dealer and they said it is caused by the choke. They told me that running the machine for short runs without letting the engine warm up fully causes the issue. Makes no sense to me at all!
Sounds like an excuse for a poor quality product. There are tons of machines out there that get started cold and instantly go full throttle for 3-5 minutes then shut off for the day and they last thousands of hours this way still.
blue smoke is oil, if it ran out of oil or was extremely fuel contaminated it my have picked up a piston and scored the bore. The other alternative is it has diesel instead of gas in the tank.
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Could be a head gasket, or could be collapsed rings on one cylinder. The exhaust smoke puffing looks like it's down compression on one cylinder. This could be the result of a head gasket failure or collapsed rings, or it could also be the result of the engine running rich and washing the cylinder down on one jug.
Also, I don't know if you know this, most people don't, on an air cooled engine, the hottest the engine will ever get is when you shut it off immediately after running it under load. The reason why is once you shut the engine off, the fan stops moving cooling air and cylinder temperatures spike. High cylinder temps on shutdown can cause the piston rings to lose tension. It is best practice to bring the throttle back to idle and allow the engine to run at idle for a minute or two before shutdown. This gives the cylinders time to dissipate heat before they lose cooling.
Though my tractor has a water cooled diesel engine I try to let it idle for a minute or two before turning off the engine.
hi engine ok after you find where the gas is getting into the crank case , after over full PVC sucking sucking it in , best to all john
You stop for snow; if we did that here we wouldn’t get much done this time or the year. LOL
It’s time to get a little diesel engine. Run this one until it blows completely…
I stopped for engine lol....I agree...a diesel would be awesome!
I bought the Husqvarna gas/oil can maybe 4 years ago. The Price was a lot less but the shipping was a lot more it came from the UK. They seem to not sell it in the USA. It looks like the link you posted is for a store in Japan.
Mine came with two spouts.. the self shut off gas spout had the o-ring swell up. Maybe because I use E-10. I should try and replace the O-ring.
Should you stop the blade from going before turning engine off. !! ?
yep...did that my friend
One time you get a helper and the poop hit the oscillator!
I know right! Chris is a great guy!
Fuel flooding past the rings into crankcase?
Check engine light on Chevy trucks is almost always the O2 sensor. Unless it's flashing. Then you have a misfire.
it's a misfire I'm pretty sure!
@StoneyRidgeFarmer that truck is new enough a scan tool should tell you which cylinder is missing. Likely a bad plug. You could get by just changing the one or put new plugs and wires in for piece of mind.
Something falls off from the bottom of the engine at the 14:00 mark.
measuring tape
@RYAN-nd8bv
LOL! II had to go back and watch. I can’t stop laughing that something that size fell out of the engine and you are the only one that noticed.
lol....funny, I had a few comments on it
The efi or lift pump probably messed up. I have a stump grinder with the same engine with 340 hours, it started filling the crankcase with gas. Make me sick how much I spent on the machine for such a well known problem (after a little internet research).
I have an old carburated motor cycle that the float stuck and gas goes right into the crankcase, I know that one is fuel injected but I’m sure it has some sort of pump/diaphram/something that is allowing the same thing to happen
First, check your fuel tank cap. If it’s not venting it will pressurize the gas tank and push gas thru the vent tube into the engine. The fuel pump has a float inside the high pressure pump. Check the vent on the fuel cap.
The slabs can be used for firewood. Everything fails but usually not all at the same time.
Gas can mix with your engine oil due to a number of reasons, most commonly because of faulty fuel injectors that are leaking, worn piston rings which allow unburned fuel to pass into the crankcase, a faulty fuel pressure regulator, or driving conditions like frequent short trips where the engine doesn't reach full operating temperature, causing incomplete fuel combustion and allowing gasoline to seep into the oil pan.
If the light in truck was blinking it probably is a mis fire which is what would cause the shake your feeling.
U should put some stringers on the floor near the log lift so u can roll the logs onto the log lift without the machine , suxs that the moter took a crap when u needed it to work but u might have a bad injector that flooded the crank case
I'm not there but my best guess is broken rings. Compression tester would verify that. How did they break? If you use ethanol blend gas there is the issue. You store the unit outside in the weather. Gas tank is vented and as temp changes the gas tank breathes. As it sucks in moisture laden air the ethanol in the gas will absorb the water entrained in the air. When you run the engine that water will be injected into the chamber. Water does not compress and will break the rings. Could also be the cause of the rise in oil sump level. Incomplete combustion of the air and bad fuel mixture bypassing broken rings. Easy was to confirm is to start the engine, remove the oil fill cap and look for blowby coming from the oil fill cap.That shows top end blow by. To check for low end blow by when engine is running pull the dip stick and look for gasses and or oil mist coming from the dip stick hole. Engine is toast. When you install the replacement engine only use ethanol free gas.
Ethanol is terrible for engines that sit any amount of time. We get by with it in vehicles because we run them daily. I run ethanol free in everything including my jeep because it’s not a daily driver.
Broken rings would explain the white smoke with crank case oil getting into the combustion chamber. This doesn't explain how fuel injected, metered fuel got into the crank case though. Fuel injection doesn't generally leak into the cylinder when not running.
He said he runs non-ethanol.
@@stevem6711 A failed crankcase mounted pulse fuel pump would explain it.
Everyone leaves a sawmill outside
You'll have that on them big jobs!
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Cylinder wall is scored from the gas in the oil. Gas is what we used to use to clean oily parts, it cleans the oil off the cylinder wall. Piston scored, cyl wall scored more than likely the crank and rod is wasted as well. If it is fuel injected an injector is leaking excess fuel into the cylinder and washing the oil off the wall. Rinsing the excess gas into the sump.
It is done.
we shall see...I hope it's not that bad my friend
blue smoke is oil, thats usually due to bad rings, and bad rings could let fuel in the oil. but with those low hours it would have to be defective.
there is probably fuel oil mixture into that muffler and that's the smoke
Ever noticed how you have to use your tools (truck) to get tools (adjustable wrench) to work on your tools(Kohler engine) that power your tools (sawmill) ??
That's a good observation. I like to look at it as "a chain of necessity".
God was telling you not to run that sawmill today. At least you still have both your swingers and all your wigglers.
Good Morning Stony Ridge Farmer,Edward from Vermont
Blue smoke= burning oil. White smoke= coolant
True, but it's air cooled...no coolant.
Yea and it’s burning blue. Clearly oil and gas mix looks like a 2 stroke exhaust
But its an air cooled motor, no coolant there. If you smell the oil, theres probably fuel in the oil, fuel pump probably failed. Best to put a new fuel pump on, change the oil/filters and see if it will run. Run it too long like that and youll burn up the rings.
Put a Kawasaki engine on it, they make a great air cooled engine. But if it’s a warranty issue I’m sure it’s not an option. Good luck!
the oil captured lol lol fire starter for brush fires
JOSH, OMG you're burning oil... that's the blue smoke you see coming out of the exhaust. The engine needs to be torn down to see the extent of the engine damage. Wish it away won't fix anything. A rebuild or engine replacement is what's in store for that woodmiser LT 40. But some preliminary checks like a compression test. Yes I agree the rings are worn or cracked.
Somewhere on the engine there is a fuel pump. Possible that the fuel pump has failed and if mounted to the block it will dump gas into the crankcase.
If chris was going to buy the sawmill,that kinda blew that plan!😂
uh...we were milling up some lumber until all this happened ...I'm not selling him my sawmill, he's learning with me
The flashing engine light is catalyst damaging missfire. On a 6.0 is most likely either ignition coil, wire, plug, or injector
New engines are shipped without oil
Need that fuel/ baroil carrier.
its a pretty common thing fuel pump blew dumping gas in the engine replace that pump. also you have oil all in that muffler its going to take a while to burn it out
Stuck injectors? If an injector is stuck on it’ll act like a stuck float bowl. Maybe fried electronics from moisture in the module?
This seems likely with the machine sitting outside.
Remember that comment that made about hiring someone to maintain your equipment. I'm not saying some neighbor or friend. I'm talking about a mechanic with knowledge of a lil bit of everything you have.
Sounds like the float in the carburetor sticking and letting the gas pass into the crankcase
holy moly someone messy with ur stuff?
very very doubtful...we have a part failure going on somewhere...more to com on this !
fuel injector stuck open when engine is off and fills the cylinder a little bit and washes down the cylinder to the oil. and took the rings out
Flashing engine light could be a misfire
I think it is!! Coil pack probably
The problem might be the new fuel tank. That mixes oil with gas.
huh? You mean the chainsaw gas can I showed ya? That's not for the sawmill my brother. More to come on this for sure...I ordered some parts and spoke with woodmizer
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You just need a gas / diesel shut off valve ❤ on all farm and equipment you should have it done ❤ it will not hurt the engine ❤ I did it 40 + yrs ago on all my engines ❤ they are still running when I sold them 20 yrs later ❤ just remember before you plan to start using them you need to do a regular oil change ❤ Pete uses the same concept on his tractors 🚜 just remember to turn the VALVE OFF ❤ you should not have any problems ❤ please 🙏 comment I will respond with more information ❤❤ the smoke it’s reminding you to get it done❤
The engine itself is fine. Did you change the oil filter? I wood shut the gas off and let it run dry and check the oil again before you run it. Could be a fuel pump problem. It ran perfectly so the engine itself should be ok. Ken
How much lumber is needed to be cut before it becomes cost-effective with all that equipment? Will sawed lumber stay straight and not warp?
depends on what you're doing, If you're custom sawing as a mobile sawmill you could pay for the mill in a couple months. If milling up your own lumber for your farm, a rough cut oak fence board is like $6 or your local 2x4 price could be $4 ish....so buy it once, and always have it for this kinda stuff. Every farm/homestead needs one!
Stuck valve?
Sticky injectors...? Tim Long may be on to it.
How about getting some SRF shop rags to check oil with?
oh gloves work great too!
@Stoney Ridge Farmer
Josh, was that a tape measure that fell @14:03?
You have a good small engine guy at Northern Tool, right?
Pick his brain.
I did for sure!!