What ever you put on your skin will be absorbed into your body. So gloves are protective to prevent chemicals from entering your system and adding to a toxic load of poisons. I've help several guys learn to use gloves. Their hands healed from all the cracking that allowed chemicals to enter even easier.
@biomechanique6874 It's well known in the Safety and Industrial Hygiene discipline that chemical poisoning can result from skin absorption. Suggest you do a bit of research on your own as I doubt you'll accept anything that I have to say here. PCB oil is a great example as many people lost their lives working with it within their work. Agent Orange is another example where the mere exposure in Viet Nam resulted in many deaths. This also lead to massive lawsuits and settlements against the use of Round-up. Again, suggest you do some research to educate yourself.
Well Josh ….. as anyone who cuts trees and serious firewood/ mill operations knows - that chainsaw is gold and although it’s not cheap -it is a lifetime saw. You can repair it. Rebuild it and actually “hot rod” it and make more power. It’s not a big box store saw. It is professional grade and you’re absolutely correct - they are bought in large numbers by professional arborists, mills and logging operations. Great saw for a person who uses this type of chainsaw a lot. Great rebuild !
Thanks for the video and giving me motivation to fix the 2 saws I bought locally that got gassed. I discovered when taking my ford truck floor shifter apart that Milwaukee makes really long T27 bits along with other sizes.
I made a similar repair on a Stihl saw for the same reason for a former employer. It wasn't as badly damaged as yours. I honed the jug and replaced the piston. Worked great when I was done. Good job on the saw. Hopefully it works for a long time to come.
WOW !! Great job !! Luv to see my son working on things and fixing them his self !! Gives me great respect and pleasure of a man working hard and using his Brain !! 👍🏼👊🏻
True story, me and my son were doing u joints. While installing circlip, one went flying, I said "Oh no where did it go". He pointed to his cheek, left a little red mark. Always wear eye and/or face protection.
@henrymorgan3982 Seen this little hack for installing c and e clips, you take fine strand copper wire, strip it, then take 1 hair-thin strand wrap it around the apex of the clip. Now install clip while holding copper strand, once correctly installed, simply remove copper strand. Did this trick on an a valve body while transmission was still in vehicle
Good job. When I use to do dirt bike jugs I walked them down to final torque. Keeps from deforming the cylinder. But that’s probably because my pops taught me that.
Nice job Josh. When applying torque to such and item such as a head, start at a lower torque to all bolts and then increase until reaching the required final torque. Just a habit I got into over the years. Allows the gasket and part more evenly mate up between the surfaces.
I always put mixed gas in a different colour container than straight gas and always put the oil in first so i don't get distracted before putting oil in.
yep...I have a chainsaw specific gas can too....but it wasn't my saw/gas or helper. To be honest, I don't think I'd ever have a farm hand doing chainsaw work, too dangerous and too much liability
FYI full rebuild is also crank bearings and you can use two cycle oil for assembly lube . also if you cant get the rings on you can use a tie strap but good job for a Rookie :)
Use the ring compressor to start the piston into the cylinder. Then take the whole jug assembly with the piston sticking out the bottom and line up and install the wrist pin. Works like a charm. Not a big deal on a chain saw to start them with your fingers. Dirtbikes and quads are a bit harder.
Great work and tutorial- you know your way around the engine function & parts , that’s a big help doing these types of projects. So are you giving him the saw back or is it yours now?
Hi Farmer, you did good. Most people do not have what it takes to 'even Try'. Nothing good is ever accomplished unless we are willing to put in the time and efforts required to TRY.
@thurlowfamilyfarm4628 yes just higher octane rec gas is usually 89-90 octane. I use 110 octane because it is available nearby. It's also a bit cheaper in my area.
nope it's 116 octane normally...which can cause problems in engines not tuned for such a high octane fuel. It will make a chainsaw scream! But can potentially burn hotter and damage things...hence the reason he's putting a little more oil in the fuel
The lesson in this is really really simple..... You never ever let someone else use your saw. If you do it needs to be a cheap saw that you don't care about. It NEVER fails, they will wreck it.
I will assume you put the head gasket down before the head...maybe I blinked. Back in the day I used to torque down any major component, like a head or like a manifold, in 3 stages. For this one I probably would have talked it down at six, ten and twelve point six.
ALL my small engine equipment ONLY gets non-ethanol fuel. Carbs have NOT needed work in 5 years, and rubber parts do NOT disintegrate. NO WORRIES about old fuel, either, that gum up passages and filters. 50:1 in the 2-strokes I have, some of which are more than 20 years old now.
My 2-stroke equipment always gets E-10 (it's the only gas with the manufacterer specified octane available in my area). No problems in the 5 years I have had the equipment. Don't let the gas go bad and it will be fine.
I think Red Armor is a very good 2 stroke oil. It is very obvious if the gas has this oil mixed in because of the red color. Not to mention it burns very clean.
Well done Sir! But a major word of warning - NEVER 'beast' the 500i. In other words, never use it continuously in warm weather or the electronics could fail as it overheats. And if the electronics fail, the cylinder and piston will fail as well as it makes the air/fuel mix too lean. I did exactly that when continuously cutting firewood non-stop at full throttle and with the bar fully dogged in. To their credit, Stihl repaired it for free, but simple Newtonian physics tells me that if a saw has three times the power but weighs as much as my old 029, then it is going to get blisteringly hot. I now give all my saws a rest to cool down and I run 40:1 or even 35:1.
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer LOL yeah i wrote that comment before you caught it . I see that you figured it out later on . Thy do make a ring compressor for small engines but i never use them on any small engines thy take longer and more trouble to use than just using the old fingers lol.
Hey Josh thank you for the video great job with the chainsaw but question for you how many hours would you say it took you to really take it apart again and put it back together again because your time is valuable woo
well....I guess I'm a little different brotha...so here's the back story. My buddy's farm hand ruined the saw back in June of last year. I acquired the saw in late July after everyone he spoke with said it could not be fixed...he took it to a couple shops/STIHL dealers. He was ready to toss it in the dumpster..so I asked if I could have it. He gave me the saw and I'd planned on attempting a rebuild in my shop, but then I reached out to my friends at Northern Tool. It took another month or more to coordinate the tear down of the saw with Northern Tool and film it....then I ordered the parts while I as there and took it home to fix. My time is valuable, but I think the value in all this is teaching folks how to work on things as well as fixing what went wrong. I knew the saw wasn't hopeless...and therefore I took on the challenge. I most of my living publishing content like this...behind the scenes I probably have about 50 hours in the videos and rebuild. That's what it takes behind the scenes to keep this kinda fun content coming!
@StoneyRidgeFarmer well thank you for the information Josh and I understand everything that you said there and I agree I knew there was potential in it myself too and yes I would do the same thing myself 2 and a while back somebody threw away at the church cemetery a generator so I took it out of the dumpster and bring it to a place to fix it and after all said and done I think it was $750 that cost me all together but if I knew that before the problem then it was going to cost me I would have just kept it in my storage facility and deal with it when the time came but I do appreciate you making these videos and all your time that you put in Josh woo
I liked that u did actually respond the other day. I saw ur video on taxes. I believe your from canada not exactly sure. If possible I'd like you to check out U.S. National/state citizen comprehensive guide. The first 15 minutes might have you intruiged lmk. It might give some insight on why they can tax. Obvoiusly Canada might have a different process but def very informative.
Not bad. When I worked at the shop a gentleman brought us a fairly new saw that had a seized engine. He had loaned it. The loanee put straight gas in it. The real tell tale was the aluminum slag in the muffler. As for avgas-not recommended. Too much octane and other undesirable additives. Not to mention the expense. Back in 2016 100 octane low lead avgas was averaging $5.75 per gallon.
Also your burning leaded fuel in a cloud of fumes that your standing around in. I just buy 87 non E. I run 32:1 in all two stroke and never a problem. Yes I know Stihl says 89 and 50:1. But I don't have anything in warranty and use you head on that stuff. Can a say running 10k plus rpms detonate? I have never had it happen. And at one time stihl not that long ago was 40:1 and just the next year the same saws went to 50:1 with no change in saws or oil...it's an EPA thing. And 32:1 is an easier ratio and gives just that bit of extra. Folks can do what they want and I do .
The other thing about AV gas is that high octane is that it's harder to ignite hence the higher octane so you actually get a little less power from the incomplete burn.
Higher octane by itself does nothing to increase horsepower. Using higher octane fuel reduces the chance of detonation. Therefore, higher compression pistons can be installed along with more aggressive ignition timing. These changes will increase horsepower, not the octane rating.
I cant say much from the video, seeing the old cylinder, BUT if there is ONLY aluminum transfer from the piston, and NO actual damage on the cylinder walls, you can easilly save it. Just use a 800 sandpaper to remove those leftovers, ending with a 1000.
the assembly lube simply will be washed away by the saw running within 5 mins or so my friend....only problem I could see would be oil fouling the plug, but this one didn't foul. I'll have to ask my buddy cliff about that
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer when I work on the internals of a saw I lubricate the rod bearing on the crank. I would especially do that for a saw ran on straight gas, as it washes all lubrication away. That is why I use 2 cycle oil. I only use Stihl platinum synthetic mix oil in my fuel and in the rebuild process..
Good job rebuilding the saw Josh, I understand someone putting aviation fuel in was the root cause for the failure. I think that type of fuel has a much higher octane rating, was that the cause for the failure, did the engine components get to hot as a result and seize up? Thanks in advance, David.
The problem is not using Avgas, the problem is not mixing in the proper amount of oil with the Avgas! Straight gas of any type with no oil mixed in would result in the same damage! I've been using Avgas with the proper mix of oil in all my small engines for 20+ years with no problems. The primary reason for using Avgas as the base fuel is unlike regular auto fuel, Avgas does not go bad and turn to varnish. With regular auto gas after 90 days you need to dispose of it.
I don't know if AV gas is bad for small engines, but I do know it looks very similar to mixed gas and that was the main issue that caused the accidental wrong fuel to be put in the saw. Expensive little fix
Note on Non Ethenol gas. If you pump your gas on a shared type of pump. Let’s say you can get ethanol or non Ethenol gas out of the same nozzle by selecting the type on the pump. If someone just bought Ethenol gas and then you came by with your gallon gas can to buy pump gas you have now mixed gas into your container. I always try and get my marine/non Ethenol gas from a pump labeled for only non ethanol. Otherwise the amount of ethanol gas still remaining in the pump line has now mixed into your tank. If i absolutely have to get gas from that type of tank I pump a little into my gas truck first and only then do I pump into my non ethanol tank. Not too important if you plan on using all of if that day and running your saw empty. But if you don’t you’ve now caused moisture to get into your system. As an extra note: I always empty my saws etc when storing and run them dry of gas. Most of the small engines I have had in for repair over the years have fuel issue from storage. Either bad gas, the wrong mix or moisture in the tank. Drain your tanks. StaBil helps but is not always and exact preventative. Hope this helps someone to avoid a costly repair bill.
So i used to fly para motors and and anytime I ran avgas I would get built up in the ports on the 2 stroke engine and buildup in the combustion chamber. I wouldn't recommend it. Plus in a saw being so close to the exhaust you rin lead exposure from it
nice...me and Wes talk on the phone from time to time...it was so funny when I met him, he didn't know what to expect since I don't really get into picking sides on politics. 5 mins into our meeting he figured out I was alright lol ...it was pretty darn fun!
The reason why people use at Avgas is to avoid ethanol mix, which is destructive to any small engine. Avgas has a higher-octane rating for aircraft that run at higher altitude and run lean fuel mixture so need a higher octane to prevent engine knocking and to increase the efficiency of the engine. It does not give the engine any more power. Low octane fuel has the same energy as high octane. Basically, high octane fuel prevents engine knocking by stopping preignition in a high compression engines.
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer yes, that's right kept in a sealed container. It would last a couple of years, but my point was a lot of countries only have alcohol based fuels available which only have a shelflife of two months before the octane and volatility drops. Also, alcohol has less energy than petroleum-based gasoline and can drop Engine power output by 5 to 10%.
Good job! Last year I bought a Stihl Farmboss. It's a great saw. I have used it to buck up all of the blowdown trees on my Mom's property. I have learned how to properly sharpen chain in the field using a stump vice, and Stihl's sharpening tool: it has three files together. As you sharpen the chisels, it lowers the rake. After a sharpening...the saw cuts through wood like butter!
some mechanics said it wasn't. Cliff at Northern Tool is a Certified STIHL dealer/mechanic and I think the issue was that it couldn't be warrantied after this repair
@ I am glad you put this video out. I have gotten several chainsaws that the saw shop told customer it was not worth fixing. I would have loved to run across this 500i. Most of the saws were fixed with less than $50 worth of parts. I wish you would have tried to clean up the transfer off the cylinder first. It usually looks worse than it is. Maybe if you still have the cylinder you can give it a try. As you now know those oem cylinders are very expensive.
@ yes that is aluminum transfer. The aluminum from the piston is much softer than the chrome lining and you can sand it down or carefully use acid to clean up the cylinder. Now if you have chrome peeling off, then it is trash.
It is his fault. I would be pissed. You are so calm. I loan a saw to a brother in law and he ran the saw with the break on and he melted the saw. I’m still pissed and that was over 10 years ago.
we tore it down at Northern Tool...since they are a certified STIHL shop/dealer Cliff could not warranty the repair that was this extensive...so I took on the challenge myself to order the parts and get it fixed. We didn't repair it at Northern Tool...we tore it down and looked into what it would need....challenge accepted! I thought I'd give it a try!
I had a small I can’t remember which model it was and it locked up by me. I ended up just selling the saw as is it was a stihl as well, but it was like a 100 series 16 inch bar.
Each saw here gets its own "kit" with a labeled Dolmar, chains, sharpeners, tools, spare parts, everything you need to keep the saw running in a milk crate that is stored next to the saw. Family lives in wildfire country and those saws might be a life saver and are treated as such.
In most cases when the piston leaves aluminum wash on the cyl wall it can be cleaned off and just a new piston and rings will work just fine. Also the piston pin clips , always have the opening gap either positioned at the top or bottom never to the sides. G forces can actually make them pop out of the piston.Also , don't be afraid to use red loctite on those bolts so they don't vibrate loose.
You use the expression off with the head historic note; Yes, the phrase "off with her head" is indeed from a Shakespearean play, most commonly associated with the character Queen Margaret in "Henry VI, Part III" where she utters this line, signifying a call for execution; although it also appears in "Richard III" where the character of Richard III uses it as well.
I'm gonna do a video soon on how well a chainsaw compression release does. I see no difference when I pull the cord, but I could be wrong...whatcha think? Good video idea?
@@taylorc2542 Only need to replace the rod bearings if the show significant play movement. In the case of this saw yes there may have been slight damage but not enough to call for a fill tear down and replacement. Most likely have a need for replacement at next top end rebuild. Good call Josh.
oh really! Man that's horrible.....are you friends with her? Dang that sucks. Feel free to email me if you wanna tell me about it, I assume you're friends stoneyridgefarmer.com
Candy ass got to have his gloves afraid get a little dirt on his hands
Perfect!
What ever you put on your skin will be absorbed into your body. So gloves are protective to prevent chemicals from entering your system and adding to a toxic load of poisons.
I've help several guys learn to use gloves. Their hands healed from all the cracking that allowed chemicals to enter even easier.
Let us know how it goes with the skin diseases in a few years down the road bri😮
@biomechanique6874 It's well known in the Safety and Industrial Hygiene discipline that chemical poisoning can result from skin absorption. Suggest you do a bit of research on your own as I doubt you'll accept anything that I have to say here.
PCB oil is a great example as many people lost their lives working with it within their work.
Agent Orange is another example where the mere exposure in Viet Nam resulted in many deaths. This also lead to massive lawsuits and settlements against the use of Round-up.
Again, suggest you do some research to educate yourself.
Lol, we got the ROCK commenting. havent heard that phase in a long time
Well Josh ….. as anyone who cuts trees and serious firewood/ mill operations knows - that chainsaw is gold and although it’s not cheap -it is a lifetime saw. You can repair it. Rebuild it and actually “hot rod” it and make more power. It’s not a big box store saw. It is professional grade and you’re absolutely correct - they are bought in large numbers by professional arborists, mills and logging operations.
Great saw for a person who uses this type of chainsaw a lot.
Great rebuild !
Good morning brother and thankyou for sharing. your agitated always gets me in a positive way. Take care and God bless you and your family.
Thanks for the video and giving me motivation to fix the 2 saws I bought locally that got gassed.
I discovered when taking my ford truck floor shifter apart that Milwaukee makes really long T27 bits along with other sizes.
Great video. I straight gassed my MS391 several years ago and rebuilt like you did this one. Cheap tuition compared to buying a new one.
I agree!
I made a similar repair on a Stihl saw for the same reason for a former employer. It wasn't as badly damaged as yours. I honed the jug and replaced the piston. Worked great when I was done. Good job on the saw. Hopefully it works for a long time to come.
WOW !! Great job !! Luv to see my son working on things and fixing them his self !! Gives me great respect and pleasure of a man working hard and using his Brain !! 👍🏼👊🏻
True story, me and my son were doing u joints. While installing circlip, one went flying, I said "Oh no where did it go". He pointed to his cheek, left a little red mark. Always wear eye and/or face protection.
With any spring install!
@henrymorgan3982 Seen this little hack for installing c and e clips, you take fine strand copper wire, strip it, then take 1 hair-thin strand wrap it around the apex of the clip. Now install clip while holding copper strand, once correctly installed, simply remove copper strand. Did this trick on an a valve body while transmission was still in vehicle
Nice job 👍 it’s always satisfying fixing something on your own !
Good job. When I use to do dirt bike jugs I walked them down to final torque. Keeps from deforming the cylinder. But that’s probably because my pops taught me that.
Back in the 70s we used aviation fuel in our street hot rods on Saturday night lots more power 😁
I love the smell of race gas in the morning!
Nice job Josh.
When applying torque to such and item such as a head, start at a lower torque to all bolts and then increase until reaching the required final torque.
Just a habit I got into over the years. Allows the gasket and part more evenly mate up between the surfaces.
Plus it doesn't over torque the 1rst bolt. Good catch.
I am impressed! You did a fine job rebuilding that chainsaw! Well done!
thank you!!
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work! Best wishes.
thanks so much!
I always put mixed gas in a different colour container than straight gas and always put the oil in first so i don't get distracted before putting oil in.
yep...I have a chainsaw specific gas can too....but it wasn't my saw/gas or helper. To be honest, I don't think I'd ever have a farm hand doing chainsaw work, too dangerous and too much liability
FYI full rebuild is also crank bearings and you can use two cycle oil for assembly lube . also if you cant get the rings on you can use a tie strap but good job for a Rookie :)
Use the ring compressor to start the piston into the cylinder. Then take the whole jug assembly with the piston sticking out the bottom and line up and install the wrist pin. Works like a charm. Not a big deal on a chain saw to start them with your fingers. Dirtbikes and quads are a bit harder.
I run Aviation fuel and Echo Red Armor mix at 40:1 never a problem . Awesome job rebuilding it if I tried that it would never run again !
I, too, have never had any problems running 100LL mixed with the proper ratio oil!
@AV8T0R401 I think in this case though they just need to have their fuel properly labeled !
@@robertsmith7580 Agree 100%
Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Good job. You give me some confidence to give that job a try if and when needed. $500 = 500i.
Great work and tutorial- you know your way around the engine function & parts , that’s a big help doing these types of projects.
So are you giving him the saw back or is it yours now?
Hi Farmer, you did good. Most people do not have what it takes to 'even Try'. Nothing good is ever accomplished unless we are willing to put in the time and efforts required to TRY.
you betcha...it was a fun one!
I run racing fuel (no ethanol) in all of my 2 cycle equipment. At around 45:1 mix ratio. I've had no fuel system problems since I started doing it.
Is that the same as recreational gas?
@thurlowfamilyfarm4628 yes just higher octane rec gas is usually 89-90 octane. I use 110 octane because it is available nearby. It's also a bit cheaper in my area.
nope it's 116 octane normally...which can cause problems in engines not tuned for such a high octane fuel. It will make a chainsaw scream! But can potentially burn hotter and damage things...hence the reason he's putting a little more oil in the fuel
I have never heard of "rec gas" is that non ethanol gas?
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer rec gas is non ethanol is designed for ATVs and the such.
The lesson in this is really really simple..... You never ever let someone else use your saw. If you do it needs to be a cheap saw that you don't care about. It NEVER fails, they will wreck it.
Same theory here!
this saw belonged to my buddy...his farm help put the wrong gas in the saw my brotha
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer I know... I was just talking in general.
@StoneyRidgeFarmer nah I think u did it just don't want nobody know u had a mess up😂
The handle of your craftsman torx screw driver is designed to put a socket on the end. You can then put your torque wrench on the socket.
I will assume you put the head gasket down before the head...maybe I blinked. Back in the day I used to torque down any major component, like a head or like a manifold, in 3 stages.
For this one I probably would have talked it down at six, ten and twelve point six.
@14:58, I believe he puts it on. Cheers
I guess I did blink or not off for a second because I do remember the arrow on the piston comment
No need to torq the head of a chainsaw.
You should always use 2 stroke oil as assembly lube when rebuilding a 2 stroke engine.
this is a bit more sticky....I like it!
ALL my small engine equipment ONLY gets non-ethanol fuel. Carbs have NOT needed work in 5 years, and rubber parts do NOT disintegrate. NO WORRIES about old fuel, either, that gum up passages and filters. 50:1 in the 2-strokes I have, some of which are more than 20 years old now.
My 2-stroke equipment always gets E-10 (it's the only gas with the manufacterer specified octane available in my area). No problems in the 5 years I have had the equipment. Don't let the gas go bad and it will be fine.
You may have found a new calling on rebuilding small engines or at least chainsaws. There's a shortage of small engine repair shops.
Nice job! That saw is a little more complicated than others to work on!
It sure is!
I think Red Armor is a very good 2 stroke oil. It is very obvious if the gas has this oil mixed in because of the red color. Not to mention it burns very clean.
Great job. I always learn something new from your videos. But, why didn’t northern tool complete the rebuild since he already had it apart?
Well done Sir! But a major word of warning - NEVER 'beast' the 500i. In other words, never use it continuously in warm weather or the electronics could fail as it overheats. And if the electronics fail, the cylinder and piston will fail as well as it makes the air/fuel mix too lean. I did exactly that when continuously cutting firewood non-stop at full throttle and with the bar fully dogged in. To their credit, Stihl repaired it for free, but simple Newtonian physics tells me that if a saw has three times the power but weighs as much as my old 029, then it is going to get blisteringly hot.
I now give all my saws a rest to cool down and I run 40:1 or even 35:1.
Josh you have to use both wrist pin clips .
yeppers....learned that today lol
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer LOL yeah i wrote that comment before you caught it . I see that you figured it out later on . Thy do make a ring compressor for small engines but i never use them on any small engines thy take longer and more trouble to use than just using the old fingers lol.
I’m waiting to see how you going use those torqs adapters and that ring compressor.
Great job Josh.
And now we know why mechanics make the big bucks!
oh..it wasn't too bad...I learned alot too!
Hi Josh, look forward to your videos every week !! How much did the parts cost to rebuild the saw ?? Keep up the farm life.
Hey Josh thank you for the video great job with the chainsaw but question for you how many hours would you say it took you to really take it apart again and put it back together again because your time is valuable woo
well....I guess I'm a little different brotha...so here's the back story. My buddy's farm hand ruined the saw back in June of last year. I acquired the saw in late July after everyone he spoke with said it could not be fixed...he took it to a couple shops/STIHL dealers. He was ready to toss it in the dumpster..so I asked if I could have it. He gave me the saw and I'd planned on attempting a rebuild in my shop, but then I reached out to my friends at Northern Tool. It took another month or more to coordinate the tear down of the saw with Northern Tool and film it....then I ordered the parts while I as there and took it home to fix. My time is valuable, but I think the value in all this is teaching folks how to work on things as well as fixing what went wrong. I knew the saw wasn't hopeless...and therefore I took on the challenge. I most of my living publishing content like this...behind the scenes I probably have about 50 hours in the videos and rebuild. That's what it takes behind the scenes to keep this kinda fun content coming!
@StoneyRidgeFarmer well thank you for the information Josh and I understand everything that you said there and I agree I knew there was potential in it myself too and yes I would do the same thing myself 2 and a while back somebody threw away at the church cemetery a generator so I took it out of the dumpster and bring it to a place to fix it and after all said and done I think it was $750 that cost me all together but if I knew that before the problem then it was going to cost me I would have just kept it in my storage facility and deal with it when the time came but I do appreciate you making these videos and all your time that you put in Josh woo
I liked that u did actually respond the other day. I saw ur video on taxes. I believe your from canada not exactly sure. If possible I'd like you to check out U.S. National/state citizen comprehensive guide. The first 15 minutes might have you intruiged lmk. It might give some insight on why they can tax. Obvoiusly Canada might have a different process but def very informative.
I'm not at all from Canada my friend...NC....look back there in the back of the shop, there's an American flag big enough to cover a house lol
Sorry to hear about Lyla passing.
I just heard myself..sad
@ Aww. I figured you had already heard.
Not bad. When I worked at the shop a gentleman brought us a fairly new saw that had a seized engine. He had loaned it. The loanee put straight gas in it. The real tell tale was the aluminum slag in the muffler. As for avgas-not recommended. Too much octane and other undesirable additives. Not to mention the expense. Back in 2016 100 octane low lead avgas was averaging $5.75 per gallon.
It's now about $5.35 per gallon...still not too bad
Also your burning leaded fuel in a cloud of fumes that your standing around in. I just buy 87 non E. I run 32:1 in all two stroke and never a problem. Yes I know Stihl says 89 and 50:1. But I don't have anything in warranty and use you head on that stuff. Can a say running 10k plus rpms detonate? I have never had it happen. And at one time stihl not that long ago was 40:1 and just the next year the same saws went to 50:1 with no change in saws or oil...it's an EPA thing. And 32:1 is an easier ratio and gives just that bit of extra. Folks can do what they want and I do .
The other thing about AV gas is that high octane is that it's harder to ignite hence the higher octane so you actually get a little less power from the incomplete burn.
works good in a race engine, but that's it.
Higher octane by itself does nothing to increase horsepower. Using higher octane fuel reduces the chance of detonation. Therefore, higher compression pistons can be installed along with more aggressive ignition timing. These changes will increase horsepower, not the octane rating.
Great video. Do yourself a favor and don’t use premix fuel. Mix your own fuel with ethanol free gas and echo red armor oil, the best.
I agree with you 100% I also like Amsoil Saber @ 40:1 or even 32:1
Brother, it looks like you have your hands full with that one. Good luck.
You did pretty good 👍
Congratulations!! Great job!!!
I cant say much from the video, seeing the old cylinder, BUT if there is ONLY aluminum transfer from the piston, and NO actual damage on the cylinder walls, you can easilly save it. Just use a 800 sandpaper to remove those leftovers, ending with a 1000.
You did it Josh very impressing
Awesome job getting it running again
Should use straight 2 cycle oil for lubricant on bearings and rings 4 cycle assembly lube could cause problems.
the assembly lube simply will be washed away by the saw running within 5 mins or so my friend....only problem I could see would be oil fouling the plug, but this one didn't foul. I'll have to ask my buddy cliff about that
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer when I work on the internals of a saw I lubricate the rod bearing on the crank. I would especially do that for a saw ran on straight gas, as it washes all lubrication away. That is why I use 2 cycle oil. I only use Stihl platinum synthetic mix oil in my fuel and in the rebuild process..
I'm not seeing the link to the ratchet scrench. And look up owl tools for 6in torx bits. I use them when i work on saws, and they work great.
there's a link in every video description to my amazon page, you'll find it there my friend
Great job but torturing in stages is probably better to keep from warping cylinder either way like your vid
Good job rebuilding the saw Josh, I understand someone putting aviation fuel in was the root cause for the failure. I think that type of fuel has a much higher octane rating, was that the cause for the failure, did the engine components get to hot as a result and seize up? Thanks in advance, David.
the young man running the saw put non mixed fuel in the saw and caused it to fail. No oil in the gas was the issue
The problem is not using Avgas, the problem is not mixing in the proper amount of oil with the Avgas! Straight gas of any type with no oil mixed in would result in the same damage! I've been using Avgas with the proper mix of oil in all my small engines for 20+ years with no problems. The primary reason for using Avgas as the base fuel is unlike regular auto fuel, Avgas does not go bad and turn to varnish. With regular auto gas after 90 days you need to dispose of it.
I don't know if AV gas is bad for small engines, but I do know it looks very similar to mixed gas and that was the main issue that caused the accidental wrong fuel to be put in the saw. Expensive little fix
Bummer, hard lesson to learn.
You da man. I'll give ya 600 for it!
lol....I'm just glad it works!!
I’ll go $650 😂
@@StoneyRidgeFarmerI recommend using the non ethanol pump gas from SUNOCO
Keep up the good work man
Note on Non Ethenol gas.
If you pump your gas on a shared type of pump. Let’s say you can get ethanol or non Ethenol gas out of the same nozzle by selecting the type on the pump.
If someone just bought Ethenol gas and then you came by with your gallon gas can to buy pump gas you have now mixed gas into your container.
I always try and get my marine/non Ethenol gas from a pump labeled for only non ethanol.
Otherwise the amount of ethanol gas still remaining in the pump line has now mixed into your tank.
If i absolutely have to get gas from that type of tank I pump a little into my gas truck first and only then do I pump into my non ethanol tank.
Not too important if you plan on using all of if that day and running your saw empty. But if you don’t you’ve now caused moisture to get into your system.
As an extra note: I always empty my saws etc when storing and run them dry of gas.
Most of the small engines I have had in for repair over the years have fuel issue from storage. Either bad gas, the wrong mix or moisture in the tank.
Drain your tanks.
StaBil helps but is not always and exact preventative.
Hope this helps someone to avoid a costly repair bill.
So i used to fly para motors and and anytime I ran avgas I would get built up in the ports on the 2 stroke engine and buildup in the combustion chamber. I wouldn't recommend it. Plus in a saw being so close to the exhaust you rin lead exposure from it
I know I am late watching this video,One Lonely Farmer is currently doing a vid on a sthil saw,getting it to run,it an older sthil saw
nice...me and Wes talk on the phone from time to time...it was so funny when I met him, he didn't know what to expect since I don't really get into picking sides on politics. 5 mins into our meeting he figured out I was alright lol ...it was pretty darn fun!
Your future elder-delf shall WANT that compressipn relief.
Josh you have so many talents I love your channel
The reason why people use at Avgas is to avoid ethanol mix, which is destructive to any small engine. Avgas has a higher-octane rating for aircraft that run at higher altitude and run lean fuel mixture so need a higher octane to prevent engine knocking and to increase the efficiency of the engine. It does not give the engine any more power. Low octane fuel has the same energy as high octane. Basically, high octane fuel prevents engine knocking by stopping preignition in a high compression engines.
the reason my friends use it is because AV gas keeps longer in storage
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer yes, that's right kept in a sealed container. It would last a couple of years, but my point was a lot of countries only have alcohol based fuels available which only have a shelflife of two months before the octane and volatility drops. Also, alcohol has less energy than petroleum-based gasoline and can drop Engine power output by 5 to 10%.
Nice work! So you basically got a new 500i for $500.
kinda....I guess so
Good job! Last year I bought a Stihl Farmboss. It's a great saw. I have used it to buck up all of the blowdown trees on my Mom's property. I have learned how to properly sharpen chain in the field using a stump vice, and Stihl's sharpening tool: it has three files together. As you sharpen the chisels, it lowers the rake. After a sharpening...the saw cuts through wood like butter!
yeppers...I have several, they are great!
Don’t run Stihl mix oil and get a new air filter from west coast saw and it will last forever!
It's amazing to me that guy got it back together, well not really that's what he does. Cliff.
Sit back and watch! Will you be able to w/o Cliff! haha
Can’t believe the mechanic said it wasn’t worth fixing. Hope he watches the video.
some mechanics said it wasn't. Cliff at Northern Tool is a Certified STIHL dealer/mechanic and I think the issue was that it couldn't be warrantied after this repair
@ did cliff give you an estimate to fix it? Or are you saying cliff only does warranty work?
@ I am glad you put this video out. I have gotten several chainsaws that the saw shop told customer it was not worth fixing. I would have loved to run across this 500i. Most of the saws were fixed with less than $50 worth of parts. I wish you would have tried to clean up the transfer off the cylinder first. It usually looks worse than it is. Maybe if you still have the cylinder you can give it a try. As you now know those oem cylinders are very expensive.
that cylinder is trashed brotha...the piston welded itself to the wall of the cylinder
@ yes that is aluminum transfer. The aluminum from the piston is much softer than the chrome lining and you can sand it down or carefully use acid to clean up the cylinder. Now if you have chrome peeling off, then it is trash.
Tool Tuesday Sunday? 😁😉
It is his fault. I would be pissed. You are so calm.
I loan a saw to a brother in law and he ran the saw with the break on and he melted the saw. I’m still pissed and that was over 10 years ago.
Well....it wasn't my saw until the young man fried it....so I'm good and enjoyed the rebuild!
Oh well I see you caught that you use both clips . I jumped ahead of the video lol.
Josh, thought you got this thing fixed at the repair shop?? Did I miss something?. Or are we talking about a different chain saw?
we tore it down at Northern Tool...since they are a certified STIHL shop/dealer Cliff could not warranty the repair that was this extensive...so I took on the challenge myself to order the parts and get it fixed. We didn't repair it at Northern Tool...we tore it down and looked into what it would need....challenge accepted! I thought I'd give it a try!
you could have used your t-27 driver and put a large socket over it (¾ ex) and torqued that way
yep, wouldn't fit...trust me, I tried every tool in the shop...but it wouldn't fit...now I've got the right tools
Label your fuel tanks. ( Saw/weed eater etc. Helps to avoid mistakes.
EXACTLY!! I have one labeled with a thick sharpie "GAS" the other "GAS/OIL"
wasn't my tanks my friend...I have 2 clearly marked gas cans for mixed fuel. Totally unmistakable
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer I wasn’t aiming that at anyone in particular. Just making a suggestion. It’s all good.
amen!! You've probably seen me telling folks about that cool chainsaw gas can that I use....oil on one side, mixed gas on the other! I love it!
Great video and job well done
Really good video.
Glad you liked it!
Josh,now you can have a backup chainsaw or are you going to take it back to your neighbor 😮😊❤
Good stuff
I had a small I can’t remember which model it was and it locked up by me. I ended up just selling the saw as is it was a stihl as well, but it was like a 100 series 16 inch bar.
LMAO how to attack armchair warriors lol good for you. 👍🇨🇦Canadian Vet 🤫
oh man...chainsaw videos bring out the "experts" most of the time. I call them chainsaw scientists lol
They say the clip opening should never be where that open slot is in piston. Couldn’t tell if that happened or not
Yep...I nailed it, I was told the same thing about that keeper/retainer clip
Each saw here gets its own "kit" with a labeled Dolmar, chains, sharpeners, tools, spare parts, everything you need to keep the saw running in a milk crate that is stored next to the saw. Family lives in wildfire country and those saws might be a life saver and are treated as such.
In most cases when the piston leaves aluminum wash on the cyl wall it can be cleaned off and just a new piston and rings will work just fine. Also the piston pin clips , always have the opening gap either positioned at the top or bottom never to the sides. G forces can actually make them pop out of the piston.Also , don't be afraid to use red loctite on those bolts so they don't vibrate loose.
the cylinder in this case was trashed....red loctite! Ouch! Blue but not red! 10 years from now somebody would be cursing me out lol
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer Yes Blue.....me bad !
lol....that red stuff is tough!
You use the expression off with the head historic note;
Yes, the phrase "off with her head" is indeed from a Shakespearean play, most commonly associated with the character Queen Margaret in "Henry VI, Part III" where she utters this line, signifying a call for execution; although it also appears in "Richard III" where the character of Richard III uses it as well.
9:42 brother! You gonna tell us we have a new baby- but don’t say who the baby mama is?
You can do it! We Believe!
Fine job Josh, so did you give it back or did he tell you to keep it? Could just become the community saw.
LOVE ya SARCASM at the first 😂🤣
You done good
Maybe I missed it, but why did you delete the compression relief apparatus?
100 low lead has a lot of lead in it all these small engines are designed for unleaded fuel
100LL has hardly any lead in it! What do you think the LL stands for?? Low lead
Why delete the compression release?
I don't use it on this saw
@@StoneyRidgeFarmerany particular reason?
honestly....my buddy Cliff isn't a fan of them....I don't particularly need it so I let it go!
You could’ve saved a little money on tools just by using a socket on your screwdriver but great job
Why would you want to delete compression release on a engine that big
I'm gonna do a video soon on how well a chainsaw compression release does. I see no difference when I pull the cord, but I could be wrong...whatcha think? Good video idea?
Don't you have to replace the crank bearings because they didn't get oil also?
@@taylorc2542 Only need to replace the rod bearings if the show significant play movement. In the case of this saw yes there may have been slight damage but not enough to call for a fill tear down and replacement. Most likely have a need for replacement at next top end rebuild. Good call Josh.
do you still have an electric tractor?
I no longer have it....and Solectrac aka Ideanomics filed for bankruptcy
You should have a rubber mat on that bench to set that thing on wouldn’t slide around so much J Man!!!
Hi Josh don’t know if you know about Lilah Newton passing today 1/19/25 though you would want to know
oh really! Man that's horrible.....are you friends with her? Dang that sucks. Feel free to email me if you wanna tell me about it, I assume you're friends stoneyridgefarmer.com
Can you rebuild a weed eater that had wrong gas?
Yeah but a new weed eater is probably cheaper than to repair the old one.
Call that saw Lazerus, raised from the dead
How long did it take you start to finish?
about 2 hours ish
Purge bubble
Was hear. Woooo!
It happens !
Don't need ring compressor