Disturbed Man Gets Officers Attention After Firing Gun Into Home
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I think the problem for the police in this video is that they don't know who this is. For all anyone knows he's the homeowner shooting at someone who has broken into his house. Saying, "Drop the gun" and then shooting less than a second later doesn't seem justified. Especially if the gun isn't pointed in your direction. You don't know why the man is shooting. In a country that allows citizens to keep and bear arms, you can't just shoot someone who is shooting a gun without finding out who and what they're shooting at. If he's shooting at someone breaking and entering he's completely justified and the police just don't have enough information to take him down at the point they do.
Pretty sure this was a tech guy who was seemingly defending his home from what he thought were intruders. Police were told by a neighbor on the phone that the homeowner was yelling seemingly at someone in his home and shooting. When officers arrived they did not announce themselves as police they gave him 1 second to drop his legal weapon he was defending his home with before they proceeded shoot him before he had a chance to react to th command. It was obvious the fact that information to the police over the phone was not given to officers who arrived on seen which led them to murder this man.
Yup, they gave him no chance whatsoever to "drop the gun". They saw a gun and fired almost immediately. That's what happened to that hero in Colorado.
You’ve got a point good sir.
"A tech entrepreneur in Texas wasn’t given ample time to drop a rifle he was carrying on his own front porch before he was fatally shot by police last month, his devastated family told NBC News."
@@caedmon232 If you decide to go outside firing an AR at ghosts, you might not get a chance to reconsider. You're a threat to the community.
Wow.. the cops just pew pew! What if he was not the bad guy and it was someone protecting their home???
and at 1:48 the guy was getting ready to shoot or at least aim by the way he was holding it; he did what he had to do to ensure his own safety.
Pretty sure this was a tech guy who was seemingly defending his home from what he thought were intruders. Police were told by a neighbor on the phone that the homeowner was yelling seemingly at someone in his home and shooting. When officers arrived they did not announce themselves as police they gave him 1 second to drop his legal weapon he was defending his home with before they proceeded shoot him before he had a chance to react to th command. It was obvious the fact that information to the police over the phone was not given to officers who arrived on seen which led them to murder this man.
@@geezee1946 You can't fire a gun a blindly in the city ON your OWN property.
Exactly. That’s at least one good reason as to why a homeowner would be outside with his rifle and they just opened fire on the guy.
@@youreverydayjoe8087 no he wasn’t the hun was at low ready get with the program
He said "drop the gun" like it was required to say that before the shooting. Reminds me of that Southpark episode where they are allowed to kill any animal as long as they say. " he's comin' right at us!".
exactly!
@@parkaparid7549 If he was actually under the belief that he was being robbed and someone was in his home, he had all rights to arm himself. We will never know though because the cops managed to scream drop the gun while firing, and once he dropped the gun, to our one final shot in him proving lethal. It’s a fucked situation all around, but this in my opinion could’ve been legal for the homeowner.
"Coming right for us"
This guy was obviously (to us) a threat to the community but what if he wasn't. What if he was defending his home and cops roll up and see him holding a gun and never gave him a real chance to comply.
@@jonathanrogers9961 ironically that’s exactly what the cops did.
Why would he be shooting from the time the call goes out to when cops get there. He’s even shooting as they roll up. Home defense situations don’t play out like that.
Was he a threat though? There is information that says otherwise.
@Yeah Sure not usually but you can't just kill someone, they knew the homeowner was out front armed with an AR, I mean how fucking stupid can you be, cops pretty much daily are shown panic killing the wrong people, they hire cowards and imbeciles
@@daflea66 Shooting at nothing, those rounds could pass through a window or all and kill someone.
Did the cops have any actionable information confirming that this was something other than a home owner actively defending himself against an intruder? If not then ASP has a HUGE blind spot when it comes to their assessment of this unannounced shooting.
Hindsight doesn’t excuse the cops rolling up and shooting the guy unannounced.
Homeowners would normally be inside the house when shooting an intruder, not outside shooting in.
Edit: Whoops, put an unpopular opinion. Guess everyone here really loves running out their house to chase intruders.
Pretty sure this was a tech guy who was seemingly defending his home from what he thought were intruders. Police were told by a neighbor on the phone that the homeowner was yelling seemingly at someone in his home and shooting. When officers arrived they did not announce themselves as police they gave him 1 second to drop his legal weapon he was defending his home with before they proceeded shoot him before he had a chance to react to th command. It was obvious the fact that information to the police over the phone was not given to officers who arrived on seen which led them to murder this man.
Well said, ASP check yourselve
Police arrived on scene to a US homeowner on his property in possession of his firearm. All legal. Homeowner was not threatening with it. Why was he murdered again? How exactly does anyone justify this?
@@PSL416 true, but we don't know if the cops knew that detail when they arrived. They could've just heard the shots, not knowing from which direction they were fired.
That “drop the gun” was literally just so someone can’t say in court “they never even said to drop the gun”. That’s it.
They said drop the gun for legal reasons not for the guy to actually comply or give him a chance to
Exactly, so quietly it's ridiculous.
All of the news stories I read about this incident said it was a Tech millionaire who was shot by police at his home while dealing with a suspected intruder in the home…
That honestly make sense now
I don’t like this one. The cops could have called out to him from cover. His rifle was at low ready when they first saw him and they didn’t know enough about the situation. They could have identified themselves from cover and told him to drop the weapon. If he didn’t immediately comply, ok to shoot.
Also I don't know if dispatchers related info properly or the cops are just nervous always but I heard the 911 call the caller says he knows it's his neighbor and that he has an AR and there could be an intruder, dude was crazy yes but likely relieved when he saw police arrive
What if the dude had just used his weapon to stop a home intrusion? I mean that’s not what happened here, but they didn’t know that, they just opened fire on the guy immediately…
If you got a gun in your hand when the cops arrives in any situation, you dead. I know it ain't right but people died for less
@@virtuaguyverifyFacts, you don't even have to have a gun for the cops to kill you
Let's see you risk giving up your advantage of time and give the suspect an opportunity to draw on you with an AR. Personally I'd rather not risk a suspect shooting at me with a rifle. It's a big mistake to be shooting outside. If you're a defender you stay in your house.
Funny how the "drop the gun" and the sound of a gunshot happened simultaneously and came from the same cop.
Note to self, don't call the cops if someone breaks into my house because the cops will probably just shoot me.
exactly, you won't even be able to throw your weapon to the ground because you'll fall first.
You’re right. I’m closely connected to multiple police officers. My father in law is a captain and even he knows that I do not trust the police. Bootlickers 👅 will say “ When you need help you’ll call them “. NOT going to happen. I have never called a police officer in my life. Even when our home was burglarized some yrs ago not even then did I call the police. I remember my uncle saying that he was gonna call other men to handle his problems
@@DIONE983 you just tell them to send an ambulance lol
@@MannElite 😅
They'll probably rock up at the wrong house and shoot the homeowner that comes to the door with a gun.
The man who got shot could have easily been the victim of the man they were looking for, who might have broken into this guy's house, and he's fighting him in self-defense. The guy they shot could have been an off duty cop responding before they got there. You can't just shoot first and then figure out who is who, unless you have no choice. They had a choice.
Exactly, rifle was down in rest position. Wtf, complete execution.
Most cops want a body count for clout...
Obviously you can. They did it here. They shouldn't do it
My aunt could’ve been a bike if she had wheels.
There's no de-escalation with cops, they see you with a firearm, you better drop it before they say "drop the..."
There was none in this situation. There are plenty of ASP videos where cops give people with firearms many warnings.
THESE cops
Usa cops are mostly serial killers who join because they think they can legally murder civilians without consiquence.. I mean what serial killer wouldn't? (I am not wrong)
@@samdecasas6920 more than just these.
Yep, maybe you will get more commands (from the police) and maybe you won't. I'm an old guy and I was raised to do exactly what a police officer says when he says it. This case really doesn't illustrate that, since the homeowner had a mental illness. Poor guy, RIP.
The disturbing thing here is the police never identified themselves, gave a command at so far away it probably could not be heard and shot milliseconds later. We all know the importance of not letting a dangerous person into someones home but this could have easily been a homeowner holding a rifle who came out after the man shot into the home
Are you joking!!? The dude was an active shooter that was shooting up a house. Not 1 cop is going to tell em to do anything. Their job at that time was to stop the threat and they did. If someone is actively shooting not 1 person would just stand there and scream drop it when they already show they are brazen enough to shoot a gun in city limits
@@EatingWild The officer had no way of knowing if the person on the front porch was actually the active shooter or someone who may have just neutralized the active shooter.
@@mondoconni ummm yes. Watch the whole video. He was actively shooting when they drove past him. They literally drove by when it was going down. Also it's pretty obvious when some one is shooting an AR. This is coming from an gun owner. Bottom line threat was taken care of
@@EatingWild - how did the cops know he wasn't shooting at an armed intruder? How did they know he wasn't trying to protect a family member inside the home? Those are two possibilities that home owners could be faced with.
@@caedmon232 @YUP42 1. It's clear that he was randomly shooting the AR up high into the house cops drove past while that was going down. 2.where was the other perp? this was honestly pretty obvious. Also kind of hard to beat a camera....
John, I appreciate everything you do and I love the channel, but you missed on this one. The officers opened fire without identifying themselves. From verbal command to first shot was almost simultaneous. His AR was pointed at the ground when he came into the open and he was on his own property.
What does any of that have to do with taking down an active shooter?
The guy was having a mental episode and had a rifle that he was firing into the neighborhood. This is a situation where you react quickly and with deadly force. You don’t give the guy an opportunity to shoot back when he’s already shooting.
Also, for those who think the situation would have played out differently if the police gave him time to give up his gun, again the guy was having a mental breakdown. This is a situation where everything would have turned out the same no matter how much officers were hesitant and identifying themselves. It’s a lunatic with a rifle shooting up a neighborhood.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Lets say for the sake of conversation the guy had intended the officers harm. How long do you think it would have taken him from low ready to put rounds on the cops?
@@NoseNuggets but the cop was already up on the sights at first verbal contact so the homeowner at low ready was not at an advantage.
@activeselfprotection I tend to agree with you on 99% of videos, but this no. These cops gave this man zero chance at survival. Couldn’t even provide ONE clear command. There was a video recently of an actual home invasion where the suspect had an AR and the cop gave him a crazy amount of chances to drop his gun before they eventually lit him up.
I'm sorry but you guys missed the mark a bit on this one. You don't get to roll up and gun someone down on their own property without first ascertaining who is who.
Stfu lmao you sound stupid....You see a guy with an AR after you just heard shots while getting out of your car...What are you suppose to do say hey buddy let's have a conversation....smh you clown
He was the actives shooter and they correctly identified him. It turns out it was pretty easy when right where shots were fired there was a guy walking a rifle in his hands.
@@bryanb3352 So if someone is shooting at you and you draw your weapon to defend yourself, then a cop comes around the corner, that cop can open fire on you because they heard shots and then saw you with a gun? Circumstances matters. They didn't know what the circumstances were. Watch this video again and imagine someone inside with a gun threatening to kill him. Then imagine they raise their gun at him just before he fires. His shots would then be completely justified. And the cops have no way of knowing whether or not this is the case. The police should never fire at someone who fired a gun unless they know what that person was shooting at.
@@DRAT311that's happened to an off duty cop who didn't identify himself.
EXACTLY
If this is considered a good shoot then virtually anyone not wearing a police uniform is in danger if they are armed. Do not go to anyone's aid, do not clear your property of intruders, hell don't even carry a gun out to your truck if you are going hunting or to the range because you could be shot without even knowing an officer was within shooting distance.
no, he shouldnt have played the i wanna be batman and protect everyone, he should have stayed inside called the cops.
He was literally actively shooting in city limits at a front door of someone’s house. Are you hindered dude? Like are you even firing on all cylinders? This doesn’t even compare to anything you said about “don’t do this and don’t do that because you could be shot without even knowing an officer was within shooting distance” because guess what? A good sober sane prudent person isn’t throwing shots in city limits. I know I know, it’s a hell of a thinker but there’s a reason that outstanding officer pumped him full of lead
This was his own house and he thought there was an unknown intruder inside. They gave him zero time to react to their commands.
On November 15, 2022, Raj Moonesinghe was shot and killed by the Austin Police Department. After informing both a neighbor and a local private security guard about a possible intruder, Raj sought to protect his home with his licensed firearm. The police snuck up on him with no lights or sirens and hid behind a neighboring fence. They said "drop you gun" and opened fire before finishing the word "gun", he stood no chance. They didn't give him the opportunity to explain that he was the homeowner, not the intruder. They shot first, asked questions later.
@@mondoconni even if he thought there was an intruder inside he should not have been blasting in his house at the middle of the night with a rifle. That’s absolutely stupid. What if it was some kids breaking into a house for some dumb reason? What I’m saying is there wasn’t any reasonable threat. They said drop your gun and he turned around raising his rifle. Idk about you but I’m not gonna let a mf point a rifle at me, especially after I saw them shooting at a house for literally no reason other than ohhh yeah he thought an intruder as in the house. Even though he’s outside and could run away he’s shooting in the house. Yeah he deserved to be shot buddy you may have to reevaluate the situation
@@aaronsavage8018 So someone breaks into your house, you shouldnt be shooting at them bruh? In a state with the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws? 🤡
They gave the person absolutely no time to obey their commands
Good… dude had an ar and was shooting it into a house…
@Brandon Williams wasn't it his home?
Should they wait for him to shoot them??
Shots fired.... Game on.
@@Godly_Nose It was his own home, and he thought there was an intruder inside. This is truly a tragedy and the police must be held accountable for their actions.
Cop started firing as soon as he said drop the gun. Homeowner had no chance to comply. Homeowner wasn't pointing the gun at PD. I'm generally pro PD but this is a bad shoot.
Im not happy with it but im not pissed off with it, its just not a good one but not terrible if you know what i mean
What if he came outside to see who else was shooting what if he was the person who called the police about somebody shooting😮 now you see how it always goes bad because of that they got lucky on this one so far as I'm concerned
The dude was shooting a rifle and talking to himself. Are you kidding me? They did exactly what was necessary in this situation. Stupid games get stupid prizes.
@@canuck_gamer3359 for all they knew he could have been the homeowner investigating the same thing that they were and the real shooter was somewhere else. They did zero investigation and just shot the guy on sight.
@@hampboogie I agree that it probably would not have helped here, but given the information the officer knew at that moment, it doesn't seem like a perfect decision. My guess is the crazy guy would have aimed the rifle at police, assuming they were the bad guys or whatever. It's very likely. In the video, the suspect really did not have a chance to comply with the verbal commands, which were clearly a mere formality. The officer did not *really* try verbal commands. Maybe that was the right decision.
Brother of the man shot and killed said this in the linked article: "Yesterday, I had the opportunity to view the police footage and security footage of the last minutes of my brother’s life. As difficult as that was, it was an incredibly important step towards finding out the truth of the events leading up to his murder by police on November 15, 2022. The video clearly shows that Raj never threatened the officers, he didn’t even know they were there. I’d encourage everyone to watch the videos being released today to make their own judgments. Thank goodness Raj had his Ring security camera on his porch because, without it, the police would have continued to lie about what happened that night.
“After watching the video, it is evident that the officer who shot Raj did this without identifying himself, without thinking, and before giving my brother a chance to explain who he was and why he was outside. Instead, he arrived without flashing lights or sirens, pulled out an assault rifle, took a hidden defensive position behind a fence 25 yards away, and killed my brother. He began firing before finishing his command to ‘drop your gun’ and continued to fire once Raj had dropped his gun and put his hands up and continued to fire once Raj had dropped his gun and put his hands up. It’s clear from the security footage that Raj didn’t even know the police officer was there. His last words as he lay on the ground were ‘it wasn’t me.’
“Instead of getting justice for Raj, the Austin Police Department continues with its attempts to cover up what happened. The security footage they released today is an edited version that intentionally removes the interaction that Raj had with his neighbor one minute beforehand where he told her there was someone in his house and yelled into his home, ‘I’m calling the police, get out of my house.’
“It is beyond comprehension that the police acted this way. The police knew he was the homeowner concerned with a potential intruder. They shot first and asked questions later. As an Austinite myself, I’m outraged to think that these are the people tasked with protecting our community."
If all of this is true...this makes it even more of a tragedy...that's sad.
Dudes brother was a fucking menace…
This needs to be read by everyone.
This was a police murder. That Could Have Been Me investigating an intruder.
The brother is just as bad as the suspect. If he was investigating an intruder, why is he shooting into the house. 🤦🏾
I definitely have an issue with how quickly the officer shot after giving the command to drop the weapon! Especially seeing the person didn't start raising it. I think in the same situation a civilian would be facing charges.
Quote from the brother of the guy killed: "The security footage they released today is an edited version that intentionally removes the interaction that Raj had with his neighbor one minute beforehand where he told her there was someone in his house and yelled into his home, ‘I’m calling the police, get out of my house.’"
I would have to say the lack of time given for the supposed suspect to drop the firearm is a serious piece of evidence to either convict or clear of charges. The officer had cover and there were two of them. They have no idea who that person is and firing blind just with seeing anyone with a long gun is ridiculous given rights were supposedly have.
for real man, i know this kind of situation is scary for the cops but that doesnt mean you can just shoot a person the moment you see them holding a weapon. i have my own gun that i WILL use to defend against intruders, i dont want the cops rolling up and shooting me if im the first armed person they see, especially when they didnt announce themselves or put their lights on...
Agreed. Just another excuse to shoot those shiny AR's.
The officer was behind a fence. That’s concealment not cover. Cover stops bullets, concealment stops line of sight.
@@processorhog lol that’s such a reach.
They didn't even finish saying
Drop the gun
Then kept shooting him after he dropped it
EXACTLY
I think when I first saw this, I was on the side of the cops for this one. however, watching it again here.. the guy did not raise his gun. they shot him for just holding a gun.
Takes about a second to raise a gun at you and fire some rounds. Are you willing to gamble with your life in that situation? No, you will not.
Btw, this channel shows concealed carry holders drawing their guns and firing shots on target in less than 3 seconds. Imagine how quick it is to fire at you with the weapon in hand!!
@@abellius66 You're being intellectually dishonest about this incident. The police approached without lights or sirens. Then made contact from over 20 yards away, in the dark and from behind cover.
I'm convinced the man didn't even know they were there.
@@El_Kalvoda Police are not required to approach with lights or sirens all the time. Have you watch cop videos where they try to sneak up on criminals to catch them so they don't have a chance to flee or arrive at a domestic abuse call without making the situation worse with sirens?? And, when it comes to active shooters, are cops required by law or policy to have sirens & lights flashing? If so, show me.
If the man didn't even know why they are there, then maybe he was having some mental issue going on. With him shooting his rifle at nobody made him a threat to anybody in the area for modern house walls do not really stop bullets that well.
@@countryboycitylife3482 Using a scope to align that perfect long-range shot, yes. However, he doesn't have to use the scope. Thus, it still only takes about a second to raise that rifle, point it at someone, and fire a couple of rounds before the that person can react.
@@abellius66 Less than a second. Less than half a second, really.
It takes less time to raise the gun and get a shot off than it does for police to see the gun getting raised and react to it.
They blasted the guy. Didn’t even try to de-escalate
@ilan swag the guy the police shot.... was the homeowner. So a more apt comparison would be you defending your home from an intruder, and the police rush you and shoot you dead. That's the situation in this video.
@@godlikemachine645 Homeowners don't stand outside their own homes shooting into them.
@@dafunkmonster it's called tactical repositioning. You move where you need to.
@ilan swag I'm sure you'll keep that same energy when the cops shoot dead you after you defended your own home.
@@godlikemachine645 why tf was he outside? In what situation is the homeowner outside while the perp is inside? How were they supposed to know the shots were from a friendly?
Shooting that quickly, without more info as he stating drop the gun...??? The cop was too unsure in his job.
All it takes is about a sec for someone with a lowered long gun to raise it at you and fire 3 rounds or more at you. Are you going to gamble with you life in that situation? No, you will not.
@@abellius66 It’s not the cops policy to shoot everyone who brandishes a weapon. That’s stupid and illogical, taking cover and announcing yourself as the police is smart and safe. What if the cop missed his initial volley? Cop is standing out in the open with no solid cover. Dumb decisions from the cop.
Sometimes I don't know where you guys are coming from other than you appear to have identical minds for right and wrong. A few videos ago you felt an officer who shot a guy right after being tazed and violently lunged at him should have done more to prevent it. Now you say the officer is justified killing a man shooting into his own vacant home where they don't even know what was going on.
@@jonathanrogers9961 What if he was trying to stop a bad guy? He deserves a no questions asked killing?
That black guy you are talking about was happy, drink and not a danger to anyone. He tried to shake the officers hand. And had no weapon!
@@thesecondRUclips Yeah, I think the shooting you're referring to was not justified. I'm guessing OP was talking about the police officer in Phoenix who shot an aggressive attacker after responding to a call at a bus station, which almost certainly was justified.
2:15 They didn't give him a chance to drop the gun. They just assumed that anyone in public who fires a gun deserves to be shot. Seeing a self defense channel argue that the police can open fire on someone who just fired a weapon without knowing who that person shot at or if they were acting in self defense is disappointing.
Exactly I really don't understand their logic sometimes.
Theres another video where a guy disarms a gun man and the cops shoot him. But even in that video they gove him more time to react! And he points the gun at them.
@@processorhog exactly, whatever happened to not being bias, and presenting all facts until they are proven wrong or attempting to at least have some sort of credibility.
Yup, biased opinions. I bet you if they were shot or someone they loved was they'd sing a different tune. Sad.
@@afcaton1 lol anyone with a brain wouldn’t be in this situation
So generous of the officers to give him a whole 0.00000002 seconds to comply before killing him
Quick finger there bud.
Also ask yourselves why only one of the responding officers shot? The others knew it was a premature shoot. Homeowner was given zero chance to drop the gun. Homeowner was not pointing it at anyone when he was shot multiple times by one officer.
That’s not true. He was the only one set.
@@ActiveSelfProtection maybe but it looked like the other officer could've shot but didn't. Command given from a distance too far to hear. 0.5 secs later he fires multiple times. The homeowners rifle was pointing at the ground. If he raised his rifle fine you gotta shoot butv that didn't happen. The officer gave him zero chance to drop the rifle which was pointed at the ground. This is a bad shoot and the officer should face the consequences. Why are the enforcers of the law exempt from the consequences of breaking them.
I remember hearing. Where is he!? So the others didn’t know exactly where he was. They did however finish him off with that last shot when his hands were in the air and his gun on the ground…
I think if there were follow up to this some of the emergency calls relevant or dispatxh information would paint a better picture of why things went as fast as they did. It would be interesting to see what information was available on the situation beforehand, how it was communicated, and weighing accurate versus innacurate...
Officers are not required to have to wait to see if someone drops their gun before shooting them. Where did you learn this?
Hell he didn't have time to comply
cops need to fuck up really hard for john not think it was justifiable, they didn't know if it was a psicotic episode or not, they didn't know what was going on, they just saw a guy with an AR gave him commands like he had super hearing powers and .1 seconds later started to shoot him giving him no chance
Drop the gun bang bang bang? Not enough time to react, said the suspect.
What if the man's wife was being stabbed in the driveway and he came out with the gun and fired at the perp? The police should have checked out the situation before taking shots.
This isin't a what if channel you clown....you are seeing it right there on video....this dude said what if hahaha....what if dragons where real?? You dummy lol
well thats not what happend.. you cant just play "what if this or that" when those things arnt happening
WHAT IF a giant dragon was in the house burning his kids alive and he was trying to shoot through the window to drop the dining room chandelier on its head and save his family!! Stop playing the idiotic what if game, he was a crazy dude shooting crap with a rifle because he’s crazy he needed to be put down.
@@quokka_11 because a crazy dude shooting you while he has a gun fits the situation and is more likely then his wife getting stabbed in the driveway the nobody is standing in.
@@subarcticelectronic9885 no that’s not what happened rewatch the video this dude went insane and started thinking he was being robbed or something.
Cops have no more rights to self defense than we do and if any civilian did this it would be a crime. The guy never pointed the gun at anyone, never threatened anyone, the cops just rolled up and shot, no warning no notice. While this guy looks like he has problems, that was a terrible shoot. To think this was clean and appropriate is disgusting boot licking.
"if any civilian did this it would be a crime."
Lol you out of your fucking mind?
"The guy never pointed the gun at anyone, never threatened anyone"
He was literally firing randomly through his house, threatening everyone in the neighborhood.
Classic example of Shoot first and ask questions later.
It’s like a robot, say the line for the body cam pull the trigger. Drop the squeeze squeeze squeeze…. John comes in great job 👏
Officer didn’t even finish saying drop the gun before he fired on the suspect….
I lean pretty "Cop-suspicious" and Is till think this is 110% justified.
So? Wasn't like he was gonna listen. Guy was going through some sort of psychotic episode, and more than likely would've shot the officers as well. If not killed other innocent people in the neighborhood firing random shots at what he thinks he's seeing.
Pretty sure this was a tech guy who was seemingly defending his home from what he thought were intruders. Police were told by a neighbor on the phone that the homeowner was yelling seemingly at someone in his home and shooting. When officers arrived they did not announce themselves as police they gave him 1 second to drop his legal weapon he was defending his home with before they proceeded shoot him before he had a chance to react to th command. It was obvious the fact that information to the police over the phone was not given to officers who arrived on seen which led them to murder this man.
@@Tactical_wulf5.56 you don’t know that. He could have said ok and dropped the gun. That would have been more likely than him shooting at an officer.
It's a crazy person shooting an AR into a house, wouldn't blame anyone for a hair trigger reaction..
Yikes…that could be any of us.
No because i won't be outside with an AR shooting shots into a house because i had a mental break
@@youmadbruh7254 you understood my point exactly, good job.
Only if you're a moron.
Didn’t think ASP would be this bias, usually always agree with their commentary but they have to accept the fact that the opps could have tried a little harder here.
Guy didn’t even move before getting shot. Didn’t raise his gun or move at all.
Lessen here is when ambushed get off the X. Thats the best advice yeager ever gave.
My issue is the gave the guy no time to comply with orders given, so still took a life for no reason. Those the situations you sign up for as an police officer so therefore no excuse.
They are lucky this man had mental issues because all they heard was two gunshots than a man holding a rifle but not aiming it directly at them, plus they pull up no sirens or lights and got to "Dro" before they shot him then the 2 shots after he drops the rifle are dubious at best.
Asp got this one wrong. The police officers have no more right to self-defense than this homeowner showed up, shot the homeowner, and asked questions afterward
Man, ASP has 2 swings and misses on opposite ends of the spectrum this week. One against a cop who acted appropriately, and one in favor for a group of cops who acted hastily. Just know I'm glad the community is speaking out appropriately. Respect to those with the eyes.
@@sasharamirez2335 I agree. That's what I mean by having eyes.
So your take is the cops acted to hasty here?
Hasty? Yeah shooting a guy who's firing a gun into a house is super "hasty".
😆😅😂🤣
Here come the non-eyes.
Dang I learned a lesson here if I'm defending my house 😮
Tunnel vision sucks
The probability that you'll find yourself justified in standing on your own front porch shooting through the front door is nearly zero.
The cops should’ve gave him commands first before shooting.
Yea they should have asked him out to lunch too....while he was shooting AR rounds into the neighborhood lmao
I mean he said drop the gun half a second before he shot
@@youmadbruh7254 into the neighborhood? wasnt aware into his own house is the "neighborhood"
@@r3dhawk3 even dumber but you tried😂
Looked like the kill shot was when his gun was on the ground and hands in the air.
The only “crummy optics” was the lens through which John and Mike reviewed this video.
This guy never raised the rifle at the cops!?!? How come the Uber Driver got convicted for shooting a masked man pointing his AK-47 at the Low Ready, but these cops don't even get criticized....Let alone charged.
"Drop the gun" said as fast as humanely possible at a range where he heard garbled words.
Watch you guys all the time and usually agree with you both , but they basically shot to quick on this . They had no idea of the situation and said drop the gun , but shot him in less than a second. I do believe they need more training and slow their roll . And prior military experience sometimes means they are use to a totally different approach and training.
"Drop the gunBANG", only slightly better than "Drop the BANG! gun".
Just my opinion which means nothing but , I feel they shot a bit quick. They gave zero chance to drop it. Officer couldn't even see him well. IF , he doesn't drop it , you have cover , IF he shoots. IF , he goes inside , that's what SWAT is for. I myself would have gave more than a second before breaking that shot.
I'm not agreeing with this one. I've gone outside my home at night with a gun because I heard a noise. Those cops didn't know the situation and gave dude zero chance to comply. So now we all have to worry about being shot by the cops while defending our homes/property? Im not saying that's what dude was doing, but those officers didn't know that and didn't give him a chance...
Typically I don’t mind shoots like these (compromised thinking individual armed with a gun) but the officers in this one really came in too hot and didn’t even try to give the guy time to react to commands before they started opening fire.
The entire department would be singing a completely different tune if this person happened to be a concerned homeowner who heard gunfire in his neighborhood.
I usually agree with these guys, but not this time. The officers shot too soon and did not give the perp a chance to lay down his weapon by voice commands. They just gunned him down. I hope the family is awarded something for their loss and the officer's aggressiveness.
@@martinnovotny3148 either he drops it and lays down or starts to raise his gun and then get shot. You can not raise a rile, get sights on target, and pull the trigger before someone already aiming at you....
This guy wasn't pointing his firearm at police, police treated this guy like an active shooter when they had no idea what was going on, for all they knew he was defending his home. You dropped the ball on this one.
he was a active shooter
He was literally actively shooting.
Yeah, they didn't even give him a chance to put the rifle down. The cop just started shooting.
When you are actively shooting, you are an active shooter.
Bro he was an active shooter
NO WAY the cop had enough time to assess the situation and know for sure that he was addressing the correct threat. Didn't announce himself, assumed the first person he saw with a long gun was the threat. This stinks to high heaven, and this cop will carry the false assurance that he did the right thing because he was incredibly lucky. You call balls and strikes, well this was a beanball!
I disagree on this one. Fact is the police didn’t have enough information on the scene to start shooting at anyone as soon as they arrive on scene. Secondly how long was it from when the officer said drop the gun an a bang ❗️ it was probably less then a second not actually giving him time to drop the gun honestly. I just don’t agree with there actions based on the information they had arriving on scene plus shooting him again while he’s down an hands are up. It seemed like they wanted to shoot him as soon as they seen a weapon and that’s a problem for me.
You completely wrong. Did they observe any people shot or bodies all over …. No. The fact is they did not have enough information to shoot him that fast because you simply don’t know what’s going on. Obviously he shot at the officers I’d have a different opinion but this just didn’t sit right in my opinion. People are allowed to own firearms to having one doesn’t necessarily mean you should get shot.
So, in your opinion, the police must exhaust all possible alternative explanations, no matter how absurd, before finally deciding to use lethal force to stop a perceived threat?
"This guy is running around shooting at people, but it's possible that his gun is just loaded with blanks, and all these people are his buddies using squibs and ketchup packets to play a prank, so we can't jump to any conclusions yet. We need to inspect the bodies to verify that they really are mortally wounded before we can be justified in stopping the shooter."
@@maniacmatt8062 "Did they observe any people shot or bodies all over …. No."
LOL holy shit, seriously?
Police have to observe dead bodies before they're allowed to shoot a guy walking around with a rifle?
LOL
Bro naturally every situation is different. I’m saying in this specific situation I don’t think they had enough knowledge of the scene to kill him that fast.
Jack- I get what your saying but again the police did not have that knowledge arriving on scene. Don’t loose context !!! There could of been a million different reasons why he was shooting but they didn’t take a split second to find out. This is insane seriously
Guy whispered drop the gun to himself before open firing on someone who looks like a home owner defending himself if you didn’t know anything
They didn't give the gun bearer time to obey the officer's orders and why didn't the patrol car have the lights and acoustic signals to identify themselves as policemen? clearly terrible police work with the consequence of the death of a citizen.
I'd like to see John and Mike in the comment section addressing some of these posts directly. I gotta say, I agree with the commenters on this one. The militarization of our police forces is a systemic concern which affects the safety of the private citizens. These cops treated this area like a war zone, not like a potential crime scene.
IT WAS WORSE THAN A WAR ZONE.ROE IN MILITARY IS BETTER THAN THIS. caps lock, too lazy to fix
because there have been "war zones" with better equipped criminals that have killed cops. the shooter seemed to be pointing the gun away from the home when the cops showed up. he is the one shooting so the cops shot him to save any innocents not involved. cops did the right thing given the immediate threat. he might have shot at the officers so i think its totally justified, and i would say that in court. the cops dont know the exact parameters of the situation but they were called to diffuse it.
@@MommaMeals lol I don't blame you.
The cop pulled the trigger before he even finished saying put the gun down is that what we police these days? Did shoot first and hope for the best scenario? Lucky he wasn't a father defending his family. There's no perfect scenario in law enforcement!! Raleigh we got lucky on this one and you guys should be a shame for back in this
"I'm good" the cop with the rifle says.
Like no bro, you just shot someone to death about a second before you finished saying "drop the gun": that makes you the opposite of good.
What happened to imminence? The guy in NY the other day had it pointed at someone at least: what threat does this guy present? Carrying a gun and STILL refusal to follow commands even now: a few moments before any commands were given? Gimme a fuckin break
What threat does he represent? Shooting into the house and holding a gun?
@@ActiveSelfProtection I sure hope that if I have to defend someone in my home from an intruder that breaks into my house by discharging my firearm, that the cops don't roll up on me without lights or sirens, say "drop the gun" and only give me less than 1 second to comply.
@@ActiveSelfProtection Yeah, y'all missed bigtime on this one. This is dangerous behavior that could have consequences for anyone trying to defend their own life and property. the officer gave no time to react, the homeowners rifle was at low ready and was never raised or pointed at police, and the neighbor had already told them that he was potentially defending himself. This was a bad shoot, no matter how hard you guys try to overanalyze it.
@@ActiveSelfProtection they didn’t show the full footage either they are saying he was telling a neighbor about and intruder.
No lights on the cop cars!
No sirens!
Police fired b4 they knew what was happening. They just arrived
Wrong, pay attention
What do you mean before they knew??? You think the cops just poofed out of the sky?? Lmao no they had several 911 calls from around the neighborhood....Duhhhh
@@richardetling876 tell me more, I’ll listen
@@richardetling876 you pay attention to only what police saw
@Anthony Mcmullin wrong video shows him talking to himself and then shooting into the residence. Because this young man had issues where was the family when he needed them. He should not of been out without there supervision
The dude damn near whispered "drop the gun" right before firing.
Ur doing good work John and co. I first discovered this channel while I was homeless in my car in 2018 You guys gave me the knowledge I needed to survive!! I’m now on my feet and passing the knowledge to my family. Love you guys.
Usually agree with ASP. Not this time at all. I agree with his brothers statement.-
"After watching the video, it is evident that the officer who shot Raj did this without identifying himself, without thinking, and before giving my brother a chance to explain who he was and why he was outside. Instead, he arrived without flashing lights or sirens, pulled out an assault rifle, took a hidden defensive position behind a fence 25 yards away, and killed my brother. He began firing before finishing his command to ‘drop your gun’ and continued to fire once Raj had dropped his gun and put his hands up and continued to fire once Raj had dropped his gun and put his hands up. It’s clear from the security footage that Raj didn’t even know the police officer was there. His last words as he lay on the ground were ‘it wasn’t me.’
“Instead of getting justice for Raj, the Austin Police Department continues with its attempts to cover up what happened. The security footage they released today is an edited version that intentionally removes the interaction that Raj had with his neighbor one minute beforehand where he told her there was someone in his house and yelled into his home, ‘I’m calling the police, get out of my house.’
“It is beyond comprehension that the police acted this way. The police knew he was the homeowner concerned with a potential intruder. They shot first and asked questions later. As an Austinite myself, I’m outraged to think that these are the people tasked with protecting our community."
“Drop the gun” and immediately shooting is wild
Can you spare us the bizarre "leaps of logic" type arguments and red herrings to justify bad shoots like this. The actual facts are that the officer sees a guy with a rifle NOT at a high ready (it was clearly down, pointing at the ground), orders him to put the rifle down, and less than a second later -- without the guy having made any sudden movements, showing any signs of aggression, or giving any sign that he won't comply -- lights him up. That's the problem. This isn't Hollywood, where cops jump out of their vehicles guns blazing. In what bizarre alternate reality was that a good shoot?
Why in the military were we held to a standard not to just light civilians up even when they had a weapon, but cops continuously get passes from apologists?
The best that these apologists can come up with is that a homeowner discharged a weapon within city limits. But, since it was not in furtherance of a felony, in most US jurisdictions it is basically a misdemeanor, punished by a fine, certainly not punishable by death.
The mere presence of a firearm does not a threat make in a 2A country. And, the officers apparently knew this because their initial statements about the shooting (before they knew there was security camera footage) did not match up to what the actual video showed. The lie is mens rea evidence of a guilty mind.
I disagree. The uni(n)formed rolled up upon a situation too fast. They yelled 'dropped the gun' and fired at the same time. No time observed between the command and the shots. The officers had their guns pointed and the victim did not. The office had an eotech. 2.5 mag right? You said the cop couldn't see. Not sure how you conclude that. Why did he shoot if he couldn't see? The cops had the drop, and as professionals should have used the disparity to give the guy a chance. They did not, and I believe the family will win at trial if they file a claim since it will be jury and preponderance. Its an odd sequence of events for sure. This strikes me as, if I sayeth the words then I will not be liable for shooting someone.
100% correct
For all the Nashville PD knew, the woman with the rifle they encountered on the second floor of the school was actually a private citizen who responded from next door and was trying to stop the real active shooter. /s
Some serious mental conditions going on in this country.
Eh put more funds into military
@@IDoABitOfTrollin The military is the only thing preventing other countrys from kicking our door down to collect on our debt.
there are some serious mental issues around the nation, and while from given evidence this man seems to be having a hallucination there is no indication that he was an immediate threat to be treated with being shot
@@r3dhawk3 He was literally endangering peoples' lives by firing his rifle. Every single one of those rounds punched through his house and kept going. Every one of those rounds could kill somebody.
@@dafunkmonster where are you getting this information that the rounds went through all the structures of his home and exited to the outside?
From the video, what the cops knew:
Shots were fired by someone.
There is a man holding a firearm in a manner that would not justify a brandishing charge.
That is all they know from the video
What the cops may have known if 911 passed on the information:
Some guy was shooting into his own home.
Some guy believed there was an intruder in his own home.
What we know from the video:.
The police did not announce themselves with their lights and sirens.
The police did not announce themselves verbally.
The police did not issue a command in a loud enough voice to be heard by the person holding the firearm.
The police did not give the person enough time to process the command before firing on him.
The police were standing in the dark behind concealment.
Only one officer fired.
This is a bad call by ASP. The totality of the KNOWN facts needs to be taken into account, not the facts that are uncovered after the use of force. If an officer is going to issue a command, 1) he doesn't perceive an immediate threat to his life 2) he needs to insure that the victim heard the command, understands the command, has time to process and obey the command and the command doesn't conflict with other commands being issued.
Cop: Shaggy why you shoot up that house?
Shaggy: Wasn’t me
Pretty sure this was a tech guy who was seemingly defending his home from what he thought were intruders. Police were told by a neighbor on the phone that the homeowner was yelling seemingly at someone in his home and shooting. When officers arrived they did not announce themselves as police they gave him 1 second to drop his legal weapon he was defending his home with before they proceeded shoot him before he had a chance to react to th command. It was obvious the fact that information to the police over the phone was not given to officers who arrived on seen which led them to murder this man.
The command for him to drop the gun wasn't even completed before the guy got shot. He had the muzzle down and made no verbal threats to the police. He he didn't have a chance to surrender.
Umm the news coverage I found for this was a bit different. This guy came home and was convinced that there was someone in his house. He was trying to clear his house, and he fired warning shots to see if he could scare off whoever he thought was inside the home. Dispatch was told that he was the home owner...I will see if I can find the original video.
His name was Raj Moonesinghe, he was a relatively wealthy tech entrepreneur. The guy who called in to police was apparently the local security guard hence why he isn't sure where he is on the 911 call. Raj had apparently asked him if he had seen anyone around his home earlier, and he was convinced that there was someone inside. Officers didn't give him any time to respond to the commands, the officer exits the vehicle, and puts Raj down immediately.
He definitely fucked up, but he never even had a chance to unfuck himself.
No one is at risk when someone is holding an AR and it's pointed at the ground. 100% bad shoot. These cops would never shoot their nephew or friend's son for this behavior.
(edited) Going to have to disagree John. "You're balancing that idea of warning... [versus] this guy is shooting the neighborhood up." No, the standard is for cops to balance what they know. They don't know what this guy was doing before they arrive. They don't know what he was shooting at as they arrived. We see 911 calls that mischaracterize what is happening all the time; therefore, 911 calls are not and should not be the only basis for use of lethal force. Finally, this guy has his gun in the low position when he was shot and in the moments before, with no furtive movements. They had the luxury of announcing themselves in that particular moment.
What’s up with police not announcing themselves anymore?? How is it policy to be able to drive through a neighborhood and gun down anyone they see with a gun
@Jonathan Rogers thos guy is the homeowner
Wait lol did you re read your comment?? They roll up to a guy shooting shots into a house...should they ask him to lunch first?? Hmmm
@@307living3
You can't fire AR in a subdivision, within city limits.
@@jonathanrogers9961so if you are defending your home against attackers you deserve to be shot because you have a gun? Your logic fails
What if he was defending the home against armed home invaders? Police have to announce themselves.
When I watched this I saw that as myself defending my home and making sure the dude that came in has left. THEN getting shot dead by a cop that shot first and didn't confirm I was the defender or threat... That would have pissed me off if I lived. If I died I would expect my little baby girl to be set for life after my wife sued the hell out of the city and police.
The reason the comments are mostly disagreeing with you guys is because police were called to a break-in, and shot the first person they saw with a gun without announcing themselves. There are a lot of situations where someone could be defending their home and end up outside holding a gun like this and be completely justified in doing so. It looks like he was having a mental breakdown in hindsight, but what the cops rolled up on looked almost exactly like some actively defending their home. He's even in a bathrobe which is exactly what you would expect the defender to be wearing in a home invasion. Makes me wonder if I should get a fake police uniform to wear after a home invasion just so they hesitate a little longer before shooting at me
Hes wearing a robe and slippers. Its clearly a home owner out of bed. Thats the only conclusion from seeing him dressed like that.
@@fajile5109 "Why didn't you shoot the gunman right away? Why did you let him open fire on your fellow officers?"
"I couldn't see what he was wearing, and I had to make sure he wasn't wearing typical pajamas, because as everyone knows, nobody ever commits crimes while wearing pajamas"
Tough one. The police had no way of knowing what he was shooting at or why he was carrying the rifle. They engaged the individual in what appears from looking at google maps to be an area that is fairly densely populated, was this individual a deadly threat and if so what made him a deadly threat to those officers? This sort of plays into the other case in Austin recently as well, but is a person carrying a rifle in the low ready a deadly threat just because of the positioning of the rifle? I get the talk about a sling, but if you have a rifle slung in front of you with your hands at your sides I seriously doubt the officer could tell in that type of lighting situation that you were not actually in the low ready. So I guess I do back to the question, if I am standing on my porch with a rifle in the low ready is that a deadly threat? Would the police be justified in rolling up and just shooting me? If not, why was this shooting justified? I don't have the answers here, just lots of questions about a tough situation.
Bad analysis. They arrived, saw an armed person at a distance with his weapon pointed at the ground and IMMEDIATELY opened fire. "Drop the... BANG BANG BANG".
Man Wally West couldn’t have reacted fast enough to that cop’s command.
Holy shit!
I hope those cops don't roll up on a justified shooting.
They gave 0 opportunity for the subject to comply before shooting him.
Rifle was never aimed at the police nor visible intended victim.
You guys get it right most of the time, but this one is a bit off.
kinda weird cop goes " put the gun down...bang bang bang"
He was quick to fire 😂. Holy! Not even 3 sec to response.
That was crap! They shot him on site, they did not even investigate to see if he was a threat, what if he were defending against a criminal? "consistent with policy" to just murder a guy? This was wrong and not justified.
"it wasn't me" Right, and it wasn't the officers either, it was all in your head.
Exactly, it was the other people in his head.
Pretty sure this was a tech guy who was seemingly defending his home from what he thought were intruders. Police were told by a neighbor on the phone that the homeowner was yelling seemingly at someone in his home and shooting. When officers arrived they did not announce themselves as police they gave him 1 second to drop his legal weapon he was defending his home with before they proceeded shoot him before he had a chance to react to th command. It was obvious the fact that information to the police over the phone was not given to officers who arrived on seen which led them to murder this man.
There's a glitch in the matrix
@@EnigmaticRonin I am beginning to think the news bamboozled me on this one. I just don't understand why, with all the possible things he could have said right after firing his rifle was..."it wasn't me"
The cops had no way to know if that was just a homeowner facing a home invasion. It was pure luck that it went the way it did for them.
@@jonathanrogers9961 That's not how real life works
@@jonathanrogers9961 "Don't just run away from danger, run to SAFETY".
If someone invaded your home and shot, then going outside is a much valid alternative to be safe from further gunfire. Where do you get that staying inside means the invader won't shoot anymore? Again; gunfight in, then safety out.
@@jonathanrogers9961 “how sure of that are you?” Arrogant 😂 anyway, a home invasion is typically defined as when an offender unlawfully enters a dwelling while the occupants are inside
If you leave you’re still the victim of a home invasion
Exactly this
Exactly this
*As a cop myself, I don’t feel like this was justified without announcing their presence, issuing loud verbal commands, and actually giving the guy a chance to comply. He also never pointed the gun at them and instead immediately dropped the gun and put his hands up. Why the officer continued to shoot is beyond me. I’ve seen other officers get indicted for way less over shoots that actually seemed justified. Hell, if I would’ve made a shoot like the officer in this incident did, they would’ve put my black ass under the jail, cop or not.🤦🏾♀️*
*To the family of this young man, there’s nothing more I can say to make things better. I’m so sorry for y’all’s loss. 💙🙏🏾*
Agreed Superman. Be safe!
@@natt73 I will definitely try!✊🏾
To me the officer firing sounded like he was speed running a training exercise. Drop the gun! Bang Bang! They moved like they had good training but yeah should have paused.
Find me one example of a homeowner being justified in shooting into their own house.
Then, persuade me that it's reasonable to default to the assumption that the guy shooting into a house is actually the homeowner, and to proceed under that assumption until proven otherwise.
Sometimes there is a legitimate reason someone would be shooting a gun , like protecting your home and if you dont give the subject a chance to comply thats how innocent people die.
You are missing the beginning of the video where people broke in...that's who he's talking too. Then the cops come & shoot this CEO of a company.
Post a link, I'm curious.
Where are you getting that info?
Yeah, I seen this video and the story was his home was broken into or at least he thought it was. That's a pretty key detail.
@@ldope3904 So he was still having a mental crisis then, because I doubt anyone was in his house, and if they were why stand outside the front door talking in that calm voice to unload into the door twice? he's definitely off his rocker, CEO or not. Also I'm going to guess they didn't just deal with the threat then leave afterwards. They must have done follow up on the inside of the home to see if anyone was hurt.
"CEO of a company."
Well, in that case, he should be free to fire randomly into whichever homes he pleases. /s
This is a bad shot by far. The officer said drop the gun a then shot immediately not even giving the guy a chance to comply with the order and as far as I could tell the guy wasn't even pointing the gun in their direction. Yes the guy was tripping out shooting into his own home but dam they didn't even give him a chance to comply.
@@djdoc06 Not tripping? Who was he talking to? Why did he fire rounds into his house? I think you are fibbing a bit here.
@@abellius66 he was talking to the intruder. He was firing at the intruder. Obviously.
@@godlikemachine645 What intruder? Who? How many? Did he get caught or did he flee? Does it say there was an intruder in the news articles?
@@abellius66 yes, it says in the news articles that he was yelling at what he thought was an intruder. We'll never know though, because the police shot the homeowner, and gave the intruder (assuming there was one) plenty of time to flee the scene.
@@godlikemachine645 So there might or might not be an intruder. Thus, people shouldn't assume there was one there for they don't know.
Also, if there was no evidence that someone broke in, then most likely there was no intruder.
Geesh. Give him a chance to drop it rather than shooting as you're making your first command to drop it.
The gun dropped down but the officer was still shooting