Max surviving has got to play a role somehow. Based off how when she was in Lucas’s arms while in the attic her eyes were still cloudy (I’m pretty sure she even said “I can’t see”) I’m assuming she has permanently lost her eyesight and now will be some kind of “seer” she’ll be connected to Vecna in a similar way to Will. Will can feel what Vecna feels and Max can see what Vecna sees. I don’t know it’s just a thought based on her injuries. I don’t know anything about D&D so I could be way off base.
As much as I love Eddie, bringing him back I feel will cheapen his emotional death scene and his uncle’s and Dustin’s loss. Makers can’t also bring characters back just coz fans want them back, even in a fantasy dynamic. I do however agree in the belief Will is going to be either be the big unwitting baddie of the final season or the sacrificial hero, either way he’s gotta be saved with mental consequences or mercy killed to claim peace for both him and Hawkins..
I think it was strange though the way Eddie’s death was handled and was practically not acknowledged by everyone besides Dustin and his uncle. I think that there are a lot of parallels to Eddie coming back as Kas and it would kind of explain the lackluster response to his death. But to each theorist their own!
I think Eddie's death was incredibly unnecessary (dude literally just. ran into bats), and Dustin being the only one we see grieving was a bizarre move. But I agree that bringing him back cheapens his death, as well as the whole s4 finale. S5 needs to honour Eddie, and I wouldn't hate Joseph Quinn getting a cameo in a flashback or some Vecna vision or something, but bringing him back to appease the fans would be a mistake.
@@hello-nr2jz I felt bad for him. While he wasn't the nicest person he certainly didn't deserve the kind of exile and mobs that were headed towards him.
matpat actually was really close to the actual lore in his first stranger things theory. although when st2 came out a lot of people were commenting how it was completely off but as we went further into the seasons and got more info, it turned out that matt was right all along
The Duffer Bros said a lot of S5 would be similar to how things were in S1. And that worries me. Because at the end of S1, El ended up sacrificing herself to save everyone else. I do think Will and El taking down Vecna would be a really satisfying conclusion considering he's been tormenting the two of them since the show started. And Will and Henry both are described as sensitive kids with a knack for art. So I definitely think there's more to their dynamic.
@@ellendaniels8715 did you not see the part where he was almost burned to death from a shotgun and some Molotov literally loosing most of his body, he barely survived and unless he get's some massive durability boost I don't think he's going to be so lucky next time.
They meant it like character dynamics. Like how in season 1 the OG 4 member party was the mc, that same would be. It will be like s1 on steroids. Like how in s1, everything was based in Hawkins, the same would be in s5. The story arc will be closed by answering the questions that arose in s1.
Everyone keeps ignoring Kali's role. She was teased in the first episode of season 4 with papa's crossword puzzle, she made people see creepy psychic spider's just like Vecna, she gave 11 the same advice about tapping into a painful memory to unlock 11's full potential, and she's on her own bloody quest to return order and balance to the world. I see her joining Vecna in season 5, betraying him, and being killed in turn. I didn't know abot the Kas connection before, but Kali might take the role of Kas.
If Will has gone through everything he’s gone through and sacrificing his love life for people he loves and then has to sacrifice himself physically before ever getting the happiness he deserves, I think a large portion of the fandom will riot. He has been unnecessarily to a degree tormented in this show. It’s not even like Eleven where she has been fulfilled in some portions of her life since the show has been going on.
i think fans miss the point where that seems to be the destiny for his character? like, they can "ship" all they want, and "headcanon" or whatever, but in the end, it seems fitting for someone like will, who has been written tragically until this point. there's no good reason to change the trajectory other than to appease the fans, and that never ends up doing a good thing for the series as a whole (think the ending of SPN). idk that's my unpopular opinion on the will situation.
@@AtomicVertigo_Comics its not really to appease the fans but itd just be kind of weird from a writings standpoint. everyone else had at least some kind of happy ending and having the character that gets tormented nonstop never get any sort of happiness (a queer character in particular) is just wonky imo. like he was already abused by lonnie and bullied as a kid, his life was already miserable and then it somehow got even worse. giving him a good ending would just tie things together nicely rather than just make it an endless spiral of misery with no payoff.
@@kamilo7473 from a writing standpoint, it makes less sense to give Will a happy ending. He was set up to die tragically from the beginning, and even if he doesn’t die he’ll be too messed up for anything resembling happiness in the 1900s. He’s the character that always dies in-game and causes the rest of the team to ruthlessly body the main villain at the first opportunity.
Yeah, Will needing to sacrifice himself after all his suffering (physically, psychically, socially, emotionally, every imaginable way really) is just mean-spirited. Ultimately, this show just doesn't seem darkly nihilistic enough to go that route. I think he needs to find some actual happiness.
I have this feeling Will is going to have his Harry Potter moment, since season one the news clipping at the end of the season “the boy who survived” has always sat with me… i think he’s going to sacrifice himself for everyone to destroy vecna and i’m not sure if he’ll come back from that
I hope it’s like the Harry Potter thing when Harry kills the last horcrux (i forgot how to spell it) he dies too technically but comes back so i want will to die then mike to confess to him and then he ends up coming back and then will and mike get a happy ending (at this point i just want byler to come true)
I dont know if it was just me or if other people thought this to, but I always thought will and harry were pretty similar, their akwardness, the fact that they survived terrible things, and even the way they speak. Idk is it just me
I don't see how he can destroy vecna without destroying himself as he's directly connected to the hivemind, unless it's not as damaging to him as they've led on
I really really hope Will doesn’t die, he’s been through too much :( Also, as who the “Kas” will be, I feel like it will be Will, since he’s somewhat with Vecna. It would be great to give the usual victim the chance to be there rescuer.
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I have a theory that Vecna's horcrux (can't remember the name of the D & D version) is going to be the clock. The clock has often and/or always appeared in victim's visions, and they include a specific scene of Nancy seeing him rewind the clock. The reason everyone sees the clock might be because when Vecna takes over their body, they are a part of his mind. (Also side note, I think when Chrissy sees spiders crawling out of the clock it's an analogy for the four gates and the Upside Down.)
Vecna actually has even more foreshadowing in season 1. The most damning moment to me is how Brenner says, that the Demogorgon wants to contact El, because it “wants her”, as Martin says. We know, that the Demogorgon has the consciousness of Vecna inside of him, so this shows that Vecna wants to contact El specifically, not any other human. This means that they already had in mind the story of the main villain knowing El (because they were both test subjects)
When s1 was made, the show was supposed to be an anthology with each season following a different plot. I don't think it was planned from the start so much as they wrote around what they had.
I feel like Eleven's sister will really come in handy in season 5, I mean they really left us off in a cliffhanger when Eleven decided to split with her last second. I also remember she showed her that she can make things appear when their really not there so I feel like that ablititly itself will really help Eleven in what she needs to do
the duffer brothers said it was an experimental episode. the intention was to start a spin off series with her being the main character. at that time marvel universe just started. ST was trying to catch on the trend. the episode didn’t do well (more specifically the worst rated episode of the series). The brothers probably just want to forget about it now lol
There is one person we are not taking into consideration as Kas: Max. The former best friend now brought back to life by Vecna as a sick joke against Eleven which then backfires might be a really compelling arc. We also do not see Max when El tries to go search for her at the end of the season which has me believing Max is taken by Vecna. That ending scene has to mean something. So this is my theory.
What about hopper? In the last episode of stranger things season 4 we see hopper slaying the demogorgon with a sword, first cutting off its right arm and then decapitating it. Perhaps a reference to dnd Vecna's hand and eye?
I think the three-year gap was the reason why Stranger Things S4 did so well. We were waiting for so long, and they knew exactly how to hype up each season, then they did another smart thing by releasing it into 2 parts. Just over a span of a month so people wouldn't forget, and it made people discuss and make theories. This not only brought in more people but it made even more hype
not only that, but it was originally gonna be refferred to as the Veil of Shadows throughout the entire series but they liked the takes where they called it the upside-down better
I would like for Mike to take a bigger role in season 5. Since Season 2 he’s been kinda sidelined. I think max might also be connected. Maybe she is in a coma connected to a hive mind. Maybe that’s what rips the original boys. Mike and will die and Lucas is heartbroken. Maybe their familys die or Dustin loses steve. The loses could bring Nancy and Jonathan together too
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Honestly, I think that Max will will have to die. She says herself "I'm still connected to Vecna. I'm still marked." So if Will has to die because he's connected to Vecna, wouldn't Max have to die aswell? But permanently this time.
she said that because she survived her first attack in the graveyard. now that she died and opened a gate already, vecna most probably unmarked her now because he already got what he want. But i do think she’ll be part of the hive mind kinda like will
I agree but not because of the connection, but because there are still the letters that she wrote. I think we will have to see what was inside them. They weren't there for nothing, wich breaks my heart as Max is one of my fav characters.
Max’s mind is stuck in the upside down. Vecna opened portals into the regular world by killing them and pulling them into the upside down, similar to how Eleven sent him into the upside down. In the first season, people were sent into the upside down but there minds were still attached to their physical forms. In this season Vecna’s victims were being separated from their bodies, hence why they went into the trance in the real world and were fleeing Vecna in the upside down. Once he captured their minds, he destroyed their bodies while trapping their minds. This is why we saw separate versions of Vecna’s victims in the upside down trapped by tentacles. At the end of the S4 Pt1 finale we saw Eleven go into Max’s mind and it was empty. I think Eleven disrupted the process of Vecna absorbing Max freeing her mind to return to the real world momentarily until she died. Now the question is, where did her mind go? Is it back in the upside down? My prediction is that Max will either serve as a spy within the upside down or she will be corrupted by Vecna similarly to how he corrupted others.
I would love him to, but I don't think he will (no pun intended). Harry got revived either because he had the three deathly hallows or his mother's love stayed into voldemort and kept him alive. Both of these don't exist in Stranger Things. I wouldn't be surprised if he fought Vecna in his mind or something while dead, but I can't see a universe where he survives.
I (along with MANY other people) feel like Will needs to play a big role in the next season. If he did die it would be very tragic (aT LeAsT hE cOuLd mEeT eDdIE) but could be a way that would fit the story. However, I feel like Will and Max could be candidates to be Kos if Netflix doesn't want to end their storyline tragically with a barricade of emotionally distraught fans. I also feel like Dustin and Steve have a strong connection point for the group. Great theory as always!!
I’m just hoping they do more with Will. Since the 2nd season with everything that started happening to Will after he escaped the upside down, I’ve been hoping he would get powers or be the hero. I mean come on, out of everyone that got sucked into the upside down in season one, he was the only one to somehow survive. He even survived being possessed in season 2 by the mindflayer. I know they’ve put a lot of emphasis on Eleven being the hero, but have the secret weapon in the background; its Will, it has to be! When they play DnD, he is the cleric…I don’t know much about that game, but from what I looked up, this is the description of that role: “Clerics are skilled in the use of divine magic. Clerics are powerful healers due to the large number of healing and curative magics available to them. With divinely-granted abilities over life or death, they are also able to repel or control undead creatures. Clerics also have specific 'domains' which usually align with the character's alignment... Whether the cleric repels or controls undead is dependent on the cleric's alignment.” I think *alignment* being the key here. He’s been in the back of the team so far. In season 3 & 4 they made Will seem kind of weak emotionally with him being sad about his friends not playing with him, everyone getting into relationships except him, and his feelings for Mike. Even that painting he made for Mike, he put himself way off into the backline of the depicted fight. Maybe the show writers did that on purpose to make Will seem like an unlikely choice to essentially “win the game” for everyone. With DnD being the theme of the show and how much emphasis they’ve put on that game (his disappearance was even told/predicted by the game in the first episode) , it only makes sense for him to finally be put in the frontline and use his power to somehow control and defeat Vecna. The show started with Will being the first one to be targeted by Vecna, so it needs to end with Will fighting him. Those are my thoughts anyway.
lol go do some more research on clerics, I agree he should have gotten powers and been given a more main role, but in no way does it make sense for him to take control of Vecna
@@A1readyDead They are linked together now and will can feel what Vecna feels. So it's totally possible that Will could at least temporarily overwhelm Vecna with some emotions.
I agree but I hope to god nobody dies of that group or parents in season 5 because of that’s the case I’m done I’ll literally will break down I’m hoping everyone will stay alive
I have a feeling he's gonna have a much larger role in season 5. I mean the whole idea of Will crushing Mike wasn't touched on or resolved at all in the end of season 4 and it's going to come up somehow in season five. I don't know how or when they're going to do it but there definitely is going to be a confession scene where Will tells Mike he has feelings there. It'll prob be incredibly heartbreaking too bc we know that Will only wants the best for Mike and that Mike is happy with eleven seeing as Will encourages their relationship no matter how much it kills him internally. HIs connection to the mind flare and thus vecna isn't fully gone either so that will also prob play a role. EDIT: Also just so you know alignment represents a DND character's basic character structure. So there are 9 alignments and they are crossovers of two categories. The character can either be good, evil or neutral and they can also be lawful, chaotic or neutral. Each DND character has to pick one from those two categories and that's called character alignment
I think that their downfall with Will came from introducing too many other characters and relationships that took the audiences attention. They just shoved him aside and treated him like a McGuffin. I have a sneaking suspicion that anything they do with his character in season 5 is going to be anticlimactic and rushed.
As for the theory about Vecna killed the eight, it works out. Vecna was one and eleven was, well…Eleven. And we also have to remember that the one girl escaped when she was little and joined a “gang”. So, all of the other telepathic kids represent the eight
The one that left was number eight I think lol. But also there were more kids than just 11, I thought she was the last but last season showed us there were more than 11 kids.
Honestly they should've saved off Eddie's death for Season 5, that way they could find a more useful death and given us some more time to build his character and make a death more impactful.
@@whoasked6696 ehh, I felt like he was too brief of a character and that I needed more time to get to know him and for him to plant roots into the show - new characters are infinitely more likely to be killed off a few episodes or hours later
Eddie was kinda useless until the last bit and people are wayyyyy too attached to him he’s not even special what about bob? He was so nice, understood Will wasn’t a weirdo, was nice to Joyce and would’ve been an amazing dad i imagine him and johnathan would get along and him and Will did too i wished he didn’t die
I’m gonna be sad when Stranger Things ends. It’s such a good show and we’ll thought out. I love all the characters and don’t want anyone to die. Especially STEVE!!
Same here. But it needs to end. I remember being heartbroken when Gravity Falls ended, but i'd rather have an awesome show that is finished and even has an awesome ending, then a show that is milked for money and revived again and again until it inevitably fails. I just want to see what becomes of our heroes and how the survivors are going on with their lifes.
Steve dying is one of those things Ik will likely happen (more so with the whole I wanna family dream he told Nancy) but I still just wanna believe he'll be fine :(
I feel like they've been setting will up to die sense season 4. They made him more relatable, racked up the sympathy for him, all to drive him tword a very emotional death after he finally figures himself out like we've all been hoping.
How does nobody realize that *Billy* might end up being Kas? Dude was the first one Vecna targeted when developing his plan. It was Billy that was being talked to, and it was Billy that gathered people to make the mind Flayer in the world. *And if nobody truly dies and instead lives in Vecnas mind, then THAT would give Max even MORE of a purpose and connection to Vecna by connecting to what is left of Billy.* They even brought him back for an entirely NEW scene in season 4. If they hadn't had any plans for him in the future, then they'd just have max remember him by using previous footage. Max being blind could also make her have a connection with him.
Oh boy, that's great! It would also help to finally give him the redemption arc he never got. Perhaps he turns the tables on Vecna or provides Max with useful information that helps the Party find Vecna's philactary and weaken the hive mind. Wouldn't that be a twist? The bully who died saving Eleven can finally get that redemption that he needs..
I dont think so. Vecna wasnt fond of Billy in any way. He was just a tool for his means. In the last epidose, min 1:12:00, when Vecna is chasing Max in her memories, Vecna then intercepts Max in the ballroom, and the Vecna says to Max "you are brave Maxine. Much braver than your brother. But in the end, you are weak and fragile... just... like... him"... if any will be Vecna's right hand, is Eleven's sister
i feel like Matt is completely wrong here, i think stranger things' Kas might just be Will, why do i think this? 1.Will definetely is building up to be important in season 5, Max style 2. His connection to Venca and the upside down may lead to Vecna wanting to partner up with him in some way (i think it might be a thing of him manipulating Will) 3. Will has been through a lot, which might make him vurnerable enough to help Vecna in some way. But in the end he will betray Vecna and save the day
Still betting on Max being the thing that Vecna passed his consciousness to It has more logical sense than will ,since he was in her mind when he was attacked
also kas is a vampire, which are undead creatures... and eddie would need to be brought back from the dead... also side note, him becoming a creature is totally possible since they left his body behind in the upside down
@@CleanUpNick see the Eddie as Kas theory makes so much sense to me and I desperately want it to happen but I really don’t think that the Duffers will do it :(((
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my conspiracy theory: The Mind Flayer is Kas and Will is going to fill the role of the sentient sword. in the lore, its the Sword of Kas that corrupts kas into betraying vecna. In previous seasons its been shown that will is an important counterpart to the mind flayer with his connection to the upside down and for a time the flayer himself. I think in season 5 will is going to use that connection to ally with the mind flayer against vecna somehow.
I agree so hard with the pointlessness of Eddie's death. Half the characters carry portable tape players like a Walkman. They could have rigged that to the guitar amp easy peasy and pushed play and walked away...
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And then arrived, seen nobody at all, and instantly returned - instead of seeing people running to hide, and as a result staying there distracted . . . . .
The last episode which was 2 hours and 22 minutes long is better than most of today’s movies with the same runtime. Not one second I was bored. The creators of this show deserve an Emmy.
The problem with movies, that dont occur in shows like ST is that they want to put a complicated story into a one-sit movie for cinemas mostly. Imagine how much important things they would have to cut in season 1 to fit it in 2-3h movie. How boring ST could be. Not to mention next parts. There are movies that actually benefits from short lenght or being like trilogy then, but there are not much. Even famous Harry Potter was heavily cut (like whole plot with Hermione fighting for home goblins working for free in Hogwart (sorry, i dunno the official english name for the Dobby's species xd)). Thats why the 2h 22min episode of ST was so good. We knew their past, their story, we were attached to every character, even if they appeared in current season. It was like watching a good sequel, where someone that never watched ST could not undestant anything and probably get bored.
if stranger things does follow this theme, one of vecna's phylacteries could be the clock as he uses it so much throught the entire show, e.g. when hopper is in the tunnels, when will falls off his bike, when max sees the clock. the clock is used to much that it will definitely be used in season 5.
Another phylactery could be his spider cage. Like the jar that held that one spider that Henry let roam around his hand. It was also the same spider that crawled around Steve, so that spider must be important somehow.
The clock sounds were added to the old episodes just before season 4 was released. They weren't there at the time of their debut. The creators had talked about going back and adding some details to old episodes.
And additionally (assuming you’re talking about the “clock” noises when Will first entered the upside down), they aren’t even clock sounds. I’m pretty sure the sound effect is just the bike’s wheel still spinning after he set it down
I think he's gonna get a "good ending". I hope we get to see him with children and a wife (maybe Nancy if she doesn't die, even though I think Vecna is so upset about her). And if he's not with her, let's hope he'll still be happy.
Great theory, but on Eddie's death feeling pointless, I feel like everyone forgets that the bats could've followed him through the portal, and if they didn't, they could've gone for the gang at the house so, it's a sad death but ultimately its not pointless
Great theory, but on Eddie's death feeling pointless, I feel like everyone forgets that the bats could've followed him through the portal, and if they didn't, they could've gone for the gang at the house so, it's a sad death but ultimatley its not pointless
It is pretty pointless and stupid in my opinion. First off, why did he stop running, secondly, why don't Dustin and Eddie have any fire with them in case things go sideways? Robin, Steve and Nancy have molotovs, it wouldn't have been that hard
@@philosopher1912 1. It would have been harder to run with more weight like molotov, 2. They were faster than him so he couldnt run anyway. 3 they're airborne creatures how are they going to accurately hit hundreds in the air
Adding on to the death of the 8 sorcerers when Vecna showed up in DND, he killed 8 of the other psychic children. He killed all but himself, #8 and 11. Just adding on to Matt’s already amazing look into this.
One thing about Kas’s sword is that it is tied to Nerull, the old evil god of death. It is believed that Nerull corrupted Kas…further corrupted Kas…through the sword, leading to the betrayal. This could be a way to lead to the “there’s another bad guy more powerful than the last one” trope. While the hand and eye are the most iconic, there’s also the heart of Vecna which is in possession of a powerful lich known as Queen Osterneth, the Bronze Lich. She’s quite obscure, but would make a great miniboss on the quest to take out the philacteries. His other most popular artifact is the Book of Vile Darkness. It is so powerful that he keeps it in his ribcage.
Could Kas be Will? Someone that Vecna has used in the past? It could be a cool arc to see Will finally triumph over Vecna, who’s been manipulating him throughout the seasons
This theory is so tragic, and it’s so depressing, but it’s brilliant. Though it would be heart wrenching to watch something like this go down and watch Stranger Things come to an end like that, it would probably be one of the best endings to a show ever, if written well and done right. I mean, I hate to say it because I don’t want to see my favorite characters die off like that, but it would be an insane ending to this story.
These are my points/thoughts for S5. 1. The deaths from past characters lingers and are actually useful to our heroes, but to Vecna as well. Dustin just joined the "Vecna messing with your head" club with Eddie. Like Nancy and Barb or Max and Billy. 2. The show already hinted at the parents getting involved and don't forget the world is still after our kids, and considering Hawkins is about to become an apocalyptic place, The parents will have to step up and protect their families. Based on the interaction with all of them together, Mike's mom seemed to be the "leader" worthy person of that group followed by Lucas' mom? 3. I always thought either Hopper or Mike would die bc they're the 2 most important people to El. She needs a boost to fight Vecna if you will, just like how 8 trained her. 4. We still don't know what other powers El is capable of as she did do something to Max at the list minutes to "save her". 5. I think the bats will have an effect on Steve, bc Robin might have foreshadowed rabies with bats. 6. I still think the therapist is sus bc of her necklace being a key, and the keyhole on the clock. Maybe the clock is an item or the house? 7. What happened to Murray and Enzo? We didn't see them, but I'm assuming Murray is hiding him and let's not forget the Russian gov and our gov still hunting El and Hopper or the traitors. 8. 8, that's right. I hope she comes back to help or even bring back up. 9. There's going to be a lot of mind tricks, "Will" duplicates or soldiers. 10. I don't want anyone to die, but there's probably going to be pre deaths, followed by final moment deaths. 11. I DEMAND JUSTICE FOR WILL. LEAVE HIM! I also hope Mike changes bc I don't care if he dies bc he's such an idiot and a jerk rn, but I don't want El to hurt again lol. Gosh I hope it ain't gonna be Hopper or Dustin or Steve. They're like my top 3, followed by El and Max and Joyce and Will for 4th place
My theory is: Nancy mentioned monsters, army from what she saw. That has to mean new beasts, right? One of them has to be Borys. The three-headed dragon. 2. I feel like that the mind flayer will return in season 5. Some posters showed the mind flayer and the dark clouds might even feuture it. 3. Max will possibly wake up from coma/vecna’s mind in the end or in season 5 4. The ending shows us that there is the last vines from upside down or there is a hidden gate.
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If you're talking about connections to the mind flayer, then I'm pretty sure Max might be another character that will die because she's connected to Vecna, she's just in a coma and maybe her death could lead to the climax of season 5
I think you’re right up until Will’s death. I think it’s gonna be a struggle when they find out Will needs to die but when Mike gets killed Will and El will have a conversation where Will confesses his love for Mike and then decides to sacrifice himself to take down Vecna and avenge Mike.
Steve needs a win man. He’s my favorite character and the past few seasons he’s been getting knocked down time after time. My friend didn’t believe me until he saw the ending.
There are so many interesting parallels and symbolism between Will and Henry that I hope you go into, because the proposed ending you have I think is not in the least bit satisfying (even though I enjoy your theories!) I believe the series will end with both Will and El being alive and both of them playing huge roles in ending Vecna
You know what would've been fun for the community? If they released the episodes weekly. So that every week all the fans could talk and speculate about all the different theories they have running in their heads. Like legit speculate about the questions that continue to arise as they watch it episode by episode. Lots of people get it wrong, lots of people would get something right. Either way, people think more about the show. Kinda like gravity falls way back when. Where the community racked their heads for answers, as each episode came out.
I believe that Will is gonna play a major role in season 5. He wasn’t one of the main characters unlike in past seasons and I feel like season 4 was his upbringing season since he wasn’t as active compared to other characters. Also I hope 5th season they fix his haircut they did him mad dirty.
I understand that opening part was done more for comedic effect - but First: it's actually interesting how in early editions of D&D to gain levels you should've taken heaps of money to the training facilities because it was sometimes ten times more efficient way to get XP than just by acummulating battle victories. So funny thing: El would have bigger numbers by a lot, because of this military/government funding. And second: as soon as AD&D came to be and further down the road, it has become common to measure characters' expertise by how good they did in three pillars of RPG gameplay, which are: exploration, social interaction and combat. And every life's obstacle, requiring more-than-average effort from the character is considered "an encounter". So it turns out there's a way for them to get quite a good amount of levels, that one could calculate. Although it would require to have comprehensive morphological analysis of each occurrence that's considered an encounter, taking in consideration who of main cast participated where. For 4 seasons each of them running from 8 to 13 hours - that's on par with "What levels is Pikachu" episodes and even harder
5:19 Eddie had to die because when the demmobats saw that it was a recording, they would go directly back to the mansion. Ergo Eddie had a resin to die
I think Will is going to sacrifice himself and start a sort of rebellion from within Vecna, weakening him at a crucial moment in Eleven's fight and its going to end with him taking over as the dominant force controlling the Mind Flayer & Hive mind.
Hopper wielded an actual sword in the season 4 finale. What if that’s foreshadowing him being Kas? I know it doesn’t make a ton of sense, but it would be interesting to see him as a mind controlled villain
I said to myself it was an overly elaborate and well-made, fantasy-looking sword for a bunch of russians to just give to doomed prisoners, so I think there might be something to it.
Let's be real. We all wanted this. Also, can we say how weird it is that they go from Demogorgon (demon prince with his own massive swarms of demons he governs), to a mind flayer.... Almost feels like a step down if you think about the dnd part.
16:51 -Me just imagining how much hate the directors and producers will get if this happens. gosh I can’t even imagine it happening, I’ll probably cry for days if it does
I believe Vecna’s phylactery is actually his childhood home, think about it he is completely attached to it and has his tendrils all throughout the house.
I'm surprised so many people disliked the way Eddie died. I thought it was very sentimental and gave an already tragic character a phenomenal ending that still lingers in my mind. Don't get me wrong, I really liked Eddie. But I don't think he would have made such a huge impression on me if it wasn't for his last words or the fact that, despite everything that went down, he still wasn't vindicated in the real world. Sometimes characters don't need a "happily ever after" ending to shine through.
it's not about the fact that he died. I also got emotional and think he had a sentimental death. It's *how* he died. He didn't need to do that, and simply putting a tape and speaker as a distraction could've given him a proper escape opportunity. tl;dr he didnt have to die nor did he deserve to :((
You start by saying you don't understand why people are upset with *how* Eddie died, but you conclude by saying they can't all be happy endings. It was obvious that Eddie was going to die, whether it was this season or next, and it works with his character development. There is less a want for a happy ending for him and more a want for a *better* written ending for him. I *expected* him to die and appreciate that *necessity* narratively, I do *not* wish it had been a happy ending for him. I just wish his death had been *better* in that it wasn't dumb/unnecessary/poorly written.
Honestly, I kinda think Eddie's death might have been so shoehorned in because they were set on him being Kas and choosing a song that could symbolise that turning well after his confirmed death kind of makes it even more compelling for me, as if they were really trying to justify his forced death. However, I really dislike how often they bring back characters so I'm kind of hoping this theory about Eleven is correct.
I think another important component is the clock. When you look at the clock there is a key hole on the side of it. The therapist has a necklace with a key and a clock is on the key. Because everyone who visits her winds up dead or is aimed at by vecna, I think the therapist could be working with vecna or at least controlled by him as well.
honestly, the whole scene with max trying to get her to talk about chrissy felt so... off, i guess? i mean, there was a clock ticking throughout the entire scene, and she was wearing that necklace. idk, it would make sense if she was controlled by vecna or smth.
6:11 NO. The thing called a "Mind Flayer" In stranger things is NOT a mind flayer. It's closer to an elder brain, the thing Will coughs up is an Ilithid tadpole and WILL is the mind flayer. Mind flayers cannot create the "slugs". That's the job of the Elder Brain.
As much as I know it’s not gonna happen, I want Will to go into his villain era. Enough has happened to him that he’s either going to be a puppet of Vecna or just snap and turn bad to find a way to survive. I think it would be a cool twist to turn the innocent lovable character into one of the monsters.
I've seen this theory floating around. And it might have been a decent direction to go, but the series just hasn't set up for that quite enough. Yes, he's been traumatized and tormented by Vecna and pretty much abandoned by all his friends, but there have also just been too many moments where he has heart to heart conversations with his family and friends that I don't think his pain is enough to justify turning on his party. Even if he is manipulated by Vecna, he will eventually betray him.
Honestly though, SOMEONE has to go into their villain era. That character arc has never happened in the show; no matter how many times the good characters hurt each other or were threatened by the bad characters, nobody ever backed down and joined the other side. There are so many characters that at least one needs to join the bad side, and I could see Will being the one to do it. Maybe it will connect back to his unreciprocrated crush on Mike.
I think it's important to point out that party level and growth in D&D can be EITHER XP based OR Milestone based (gaining levels based on achievements or completing quests). So even if we won't get an exact theory calculating party levels, it's easy to say that everyone who's still with the group has to be rocking some pretty high levels with everything they've done!
I personally disagree, while yes it does make sense from a plot standpoint, the amount of outrage and hate Netflix would get for ending the show like that would be more than enough to prevent that kind of ending. That’s just my opinion though…
The Duffer brothers DID NOT intend for the show to get more than one season and neither did Netflix at the time. The duffer brothers went back and added the hints that Vecnas there even when he wasnt. Tere are videos on RUclips about changed scenes because they aren't as clever as people want them to be.
#JusticeForEddie For real though. Eddie was the best character in season four. I loved his and Steve’s little parenting rivalry over Dustin. And as much as I’m aware that there was no real way for him to fit in the series due to being wanted for murder, I strongly believe he should’ve at least had a better death
I mean, if everyone starts dying with emphasis on Mike, it's possible Will finds a way to turn everything backward by somehow sacrificing himself with the help of Eleven, thus returning the word back to the date that the upside down is stuck in; the date Will originally went missing. And yes, it WOULD make sense that Eleven is supposed to be Kas, as 11 is 2 in roman numeral.
I agree. theres a reason the upside down is stuck in season 1 and if this happens El won't know any of her friends, Mike and his friends and family will be crying over his death and El will be alone and again trying to escape from her papa. Or it will go back all the way to when EL first killed Vectna and she will somehow stop herself from making the chip out of his keck
@@jad7405 indeed. I was _really_ disappointed by the whole reveal in Volume 2/Episode 9. So I'm hoping it's just some misdirect, plus it would add more to the Mind Flayer as a villain/grand manipulator.
The song choice used for Eddies death scene would lead me to believe he's still alive, the show has used the song b4 in scenes where we think someone is dead but they come back to life (season 1 episode 8 - 37:40 ish area) They did this again with another song, Peter Gabriel's Heros. Used when they find Wills fake body in season 1 and again at the end of season 3 when we think Hopp is dead. To me it looks like music plays a large part in the show, both the above songs repeated on the show, and the connection to should i stay or should i go" and "running up that hill"
I kept getting confused with vecna and the mind flayer. at first I thought that vecna was controlling it, but at the same time dustin said that vecna was the mind flayers five star general, but then I was told that vecna gave the mind flayer the form of the spider.
Personally I think it's something that he created because the upside-down was so empty when Henry first got sent there and Dustin saying Vecna is the 5 star general could just be him not realising that Henry was the first (because how could he??) Could be wrong on that but it's just my take on how that was layed out to us
I’m glad you talked about Will dying as part of the finale because I’ve had that theory for a long time. And season 4 kinda confirmed it to me because he seems like the ultimate portal between reality and the upside down
Yeah there would be no way to give him a happy ending otherwise, his one-sided love for Mike would just be miserable for him. Even though I love him dearly it’s the only way he’d be truly happy.
All i want for s5 , is for Will to have a more important role in the series. If he dies, it better be a well-deserved death. My personal theory is the eleven will be the main attacker against Vecna. (probably dealing the final blow as well) However, Will will most likely be fighting his own battles against him in s5. He will go through a character arc that will hopefully go through the entire way he has been feeling throughout the seasons. (If this happens, I hope that he will say these things to Jonathan. Will is going to be a main source of information. Although I am predicting this to happen, it is most likely what I hope it will become.
Common misconception: Vecna is NOT the ruler of the upside down. That role still goes to the Mind Flayer. They even say “If the demogorgon is the Mind Flayer’s foot soldier, then Vecna is his 5-star general.” He’s a massive deal, but not the leader.
I don't know how true that is though. I mean the final episode of season 4 makes it clear that Vecna shaped the upside down into what it is and it even hints at him creating the mind flare by him using his powers to make the formation that is the mind flare shortly after he entered the upside down. It's also why upside down Hawkins is a replica of Hawkins the day that he entered the dimension, bc that was his reference point to go off of.
That was BEFORE it was revealed Vexna created the Mind Flayer though. We even saw him draw it in a picture during his childhood. The intention couldn't be anymore explicit.
I’ve heard theories that 8 is working with Vecna because of her ability to create illusions and Henry could only control things with his mind this could explain the clock and traumatic visions everybody has before Vecna gets them
Except Henry already had and has the power to create illusions. He was 001 the first experiment child who had all the powers that the other kids were being experimented on and taught to have. He has illusions, reaching into others minds, and controlling things with his mind. We know this not only because it was plainly said, but also because he was the one who killed all his family and his father was shown to have seem illusions before his death as well.
Genuine question here: am I being silly by immediately thinking the theory was going to say that the Grandfather Clock was going to be a Phylactery when MattPatt introduced them? He was going down the path of saying it was obvious and I was going "yup, that big clock as it tolls whenever he captures someone so is prevalent in hospital existence." and then he goes onto Will.....I mean, yeah, sure he is a clear one also, but I 100% thought it was going to be the clock.
i mean its believeable but the story of season 5 would be way to short to have the grandfatherclock as the phylactery because, it could be easily destroyed
I still feel like they're saving 8 to bring her back for a big revelation. Since 5 is going to be their last season I think it's going to be her year but that's just me
Ah yes, Eleven's random sister that never gets mentioned during the entirety of the Henry flashback. Surely she'll save them, somehow. Also the thought of Veccna killing Mike has a much bigger psychological impact if they play into the whole "Will might have feelings for Mike" thing they've been hinting at.
Actually 008/Kali aka Eleven’s “sister” is mentioned. Not in the Henry flashback but his flashbacks as an overseer to Eleven and the other numbers. In season 4 episode 6, he was talking about a time back then and says that he’s referring to the time before 008 left.
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I feel like if Eleven ended up defeating Vecna on her own it would be kinda boring in a way, I'd much prefer it if the others were able to because it feels like they depend on her too much I really like the Eddie theory because, like you, I feel like his death was not fit for his character, and he was an incredibly interesting character that turned into one of my comfort characters (the other being Robin), that might make me kinda biased tho lol
I figured the phylactery was the grandfather clock from his childhood that lurks in every nightmare. The hive mind connection with will may be separate from the phylactery, or the hypnotic effect of its pendulum may be an integral part of establishing his connection.
Well, either way, I feel that NINA is going to play a huge role. Eleven understands that she wasn't ready to take on Vecna, so next season, they'll have to team up with Dr. Owens to augment Eleven's powers.
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Something I think will definitely play a role, which no one in the comments is mentioning (that I've seen) is the obvious fact that Will is into Mike. If this comes out into the open early in S5, and if Mike doesn't reciprocate Will's feelings, that seems like just the sort of thing that Vecna could use to turn Will against his friends and become Vecna's agent. My guess would be that toward the end, Vecna does something (or worse, maneuvers Will into doing something) that kills Mike, and this shocks Will into betraying Vecna somehow (just like Kas did in D&D), though probably at the cost of his own life.
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He predicted GOT ending in 2016, the man is a prophet. The algorithm is indeed weird because it recommended me that video in 2022. I'm taking his stuff seriously now.
It’s weird how many parallels to Harry Potter there are, with the phylacteries to Horcruxes and the fact that Will is connected to Vecna in the same way that Harry is to Voldemort, both characters having to die to remove their link to the big baddie.
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It's amazing how ppl like MatPat and other amazing theorists can look back and see all of that stuff from Season 1 of stranger things! I'm pretty sure my eyes and mind aren't that astute lol
Will seems more of a Kas then anyone to me. I feel like he’s gonna be the one betraying since he spied on earlier season. Plus if they bring Eddie back then what’s to say he doesn’t raise Barb from the dead and use her too? Then everyone can come back alive
Max surviving has got to play a role somehow. Based off how when she was in Lucas’s arms while in the attic her eyes were still cloudy (I’m pretty sure she even said “I can’t see”) I’m assuming she has permanently lost her eyesight and now will be some kind of “seer” she’ll be connected to Vecna in a similar way to Will. Will can feel what Vecna feels and Max can see what Vecna sees. I don’t know it’s just a thought based on her injuries. I don’t know anything about D&D so I could be way off base.
This makes a lot of sense to me!
they literally said that she will in an interview lol
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i mean, the eyes of vecna, Max, and will being sort of like the hand, which both makes them important to beating vecna im guessing.
But will does see what the mind flyer sees, he literally drew a whole map of the underground tunner under hawkins
that pop up shop in Paris was actually pretty cool, was lucky enough to go last month
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Ya I went to the one in Dallas and it was super cool photo op for fans
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I was really not expecting you here. A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one
As much as I love Eddie, bringing him back I feel will cheapen his emotional death scene and his uncle’s and Dustin’s loss. Makers can’t also bring characters back just coz fans want them back, even in a fantasy dynamic.
I do however agree in the belief Will is going to be either be the big unwitting baddie of the final season or the sacrificial hero, either way he’s gotta be saved with mental consequences or mercy killed to claim peace for both him and Hawkins..
I think it was strange though the way Eddie’s death was handled and was practically not acknowledged by everyone besides Dustin and his uncle. I think that there are a lot of parallels to Eddie coming back as Kas and it would kind of explain the lackluster response to his death. But to each theorist their own!
I think Eddie's death was incredibly unnecessary (dude literally just. ran into bats), and Dustin being the only one we see grieving was a bizarre move. But I agree that bringing him back cheapens his death, as well as the whole s4 finale. S5 needs to honour Eddie, and I wouldn't hate Joseph Quinn getting a cameo in a flashback or some Vecna vision or something, but bringing him back to appease the fans would be a mistake.
if we do see eddie it would be how max saw billy this season
@@thephoenix7090 If Vecna targets Dustin at any point I can definitely see him using an Eddie phantom to screw with him
Bringing him back is so pointless. I get how people are upset about his death but reviving him does absolutely nothing for the show.
To be honest, I cried waterfalls when Eddie died specially on what Justin said to Eddies Uncle "He saved the town that hated him"
justin lol
I don't give a crap about Eddie. I'm surprised he was even that important to the plot.
@@hello-nr2jz I felt bad for him. While he wasn't the nicest person he certainly didn't deserve the kind of exile and mobs that were headed towards him.
@@hello-nr2jz I could agree
@alec bormia he was literally the nicest person ever
matpat actually was really close to the actual lore in his first stranger things theory. although when st2 came out a lot of people were commenting how it was completely off but as we went further into the seasons and got more info, it turned out that matt was right all along
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What did he propose in that theory?
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The Duffer Bros said a lot of S5 would be similar to how things were in S1. And that worries me. Because at the end of S1, El ended up sacrificing herself to save everyone else. I do think Will and El taking down Vecna would be a really satisfying conclusion considering he's been tormenting the two of them since the show started. And Will and Henry both are described as sensitive kids with a knack for art. So I definitely think there's more to their dynamic.
So basically like who El is based off of in actual DND. Who El is based off of in dnd throws herself off a cliff in order to stop vecna
Honestly as much as Eleven deserves everything, I don't see anyone making a dent in Vecna's strength unless Eleven did something as drastic as die.
Similar how? Source link?
@@ellendaniels8715 did you not see the part where he was almost burned to death from a shotgun and some Molotov literally loosing most of his body, he barely survived and unless he get's some massive durability boost I don't think he's going to be so lucky next time.
They meant it like character dynamics. Like how in season 1 the OG 4 member party was the mc, that same would be. It will be like s1 on steroids. Like how in s1, everything was based in Hawkins, the same would be in s5. The story arc will be closed by answering the questions that arose in s1.
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@@revracentertainment I think it'd sound cooler if it was "End Theory"
Everyone keeps ignoring Kali's role. She was teased in the first episode of season 4 with papa's crossword puzzle, she made people see creepy psychic spider's just like Vecna, she gave 11 the same advice about tapping into a painful memory to unlock 11's full potential, and she's on her own bloody quest to return order and balance to the world. I see her joining Vecna in season 5, betraying him, and being killed in turn. I didn't know abot the Kas connection before, but Kali might take the role of Kas.
i hate kali she annoys me
Huh.
As much as I would hate to admit it, that might hold water.
She also wasn't in the Hawkins massacre, which shows that she escaped before vecna killed so many people
Yeah Kali might be Kas, actually.
@your mkrher "and PAPA did hurt me"- Vecna, 2022
If Will has gone through everything he’s gone through and sacrificing his love life for people he loves and then has to sacrifice himself physically before ever getting the happiness he deserves, I think a large portion of the fandom will riot. He has been unnecessarily to a degree tormented in this show. It’s not even like Eleven where she has been fulfilled in some portions of her life since the show has been going on.
Mann I would feel so hurt if they would do will like that
i think fans miss the point where that seems to be the destiny for his character? like, they can "ship" all they want, and "headcanon" or whatever, but in the end, it seems fitting for someone like will, who has been written tragically until this point. there's no good reason to change the trajectory other than to appease the fans, and that never ends up doing a good thing for the series as a whole (think the ending of SPN).
idk that's my unpopular opinion on the will situation.
@@AtomicVertigo_Comics its not really to appease the fans but itd just be kind of weird from a writings standpoint. everyone else had at least some kind of happy ending and having the character that gets tormented nonstop never get any sort of happiness (a queer character in particular) is just wonky imo. like he was already abused by lonnie and bullied as a kid, his life was already miserable and then it somehow got even worse. giving him a good ending would just tie things together nicely rather than just make it an endless spiral of misery with no payoff.
@@kamilo7473 from a writing standpoint, it makes less sense to give Will a happy ending. He was set up to die tragically from the beginning, and even if he doesn’t die he’ll be too messed up for anything resembling happiness in the 1900s.
He’s the character that always dies in-game and causes the rest of the team to ruthlessly body the main villain at the first opportunity.
Yeah, Will needing to sacrifice himself after all his suffering (physically, psychically, socially, emotionally, every imaginable way really) is just mean-spirited. Ultimately, this show just doesn't seem darkly nihilistic enough to go that route. I think he needs to find some actual happiness.
I have this feeling Will is going to have his Harry Potter moment, since season one the news clipping at the end of the season “the boy who survived” has always sat with me… i think he’s going to sacrifice himself for everyone to destroy vecna and i’m not sure if he’ll come back from that
I hope it’s like the Harry Potter thing when Harry kills the last horcrux (i forgot how to spell it) he dies too technically but comes back so i want will to die then mike to confess to him and then he ends up coming back and then will and mike get a happy ending (at this point i just want byler to come true)
I dont know if it was just me or if other people thought this to, but I always thought will and harry were pretty similar, their akwardness, the fact that they survived terrible things, and even the way they speak.
Idk is it just me
oh for sure yeah
I don't see how he can destroy vecna without destroying himself as he's directly connected to the hivemind, unless it's not as damaging to him as they've led on
I really really hope Will doesn’t die, he’s been through too much :(
Also, as who the “Kas” will be, I feel like it will be Will, since he’s somewhat with Vecna. It would be great to give the usual victim the chance to be there rescuer.
I like that, Will finally putting down the monster that's been haunting him for so long this time for good.
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I don’t think Kay’s would work. 1, will isn’t seen as a fighter
I have a theory that Vecna's horcrux (can't remember the name of the D & D version) is going to be the clock. The clock has often and/or always appeared in victim's visions, and they include a specific scene of Nancy seeing him rewind the clock. The reason everyone sees the clock might be because when Vecna takes over their body, they are a part of his mind. (Also side note, I think when Chrissy sees spiders crawling out of the clock it's an analogy for the four gates and the Upside Down.)
Truth, I think she's Vecna's sister, the Kreel daughter.
Vecna: *having only 2 horcruxes*
Voldemort: pathetic
@@ignacybenjamin Do you think Nancy is Vecna/Henry's sister?
yeah i agree
The four gates, sword, locket, diadem, and cup you would get the Harry Potter reference.
Vecna actually has even more foreshadowing in season 1. The most damning moment to me is how Brenner says, that the Demogorgon wants to contact El, because it “wants her”, as Martin says. We know, that the Demogorgon has the consciousness of Vecna inside of him, so this shows that Vecna wants to contact El specifically, not any other human. This means that they already had in mind the story of the main villain knowing El (because they were both test subjects)
When s1 was made, the show was supposed to be an anthology with each season following a different plot. I don't think it was planned from the start so much as they wrote around what they had.
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It could also explain why it only went for brenner in the school
@@dutchvanderlinde6076 exactly. It’s because Henry hates Brenner
The entire script was made at the same time, duffer brothers knew everything that was gonna happen from the start
I feel like Eleven's sister will really come in handy in season 5, I mean they really left us off in a cliffhanger when Eleven decided to split with her last second. I also remember she showed her that she can make things appear when their really not there so I feel like that ablititly itself will really help Eleven in what she needs to do
the duffer brothers said it was an experimental episode. the intention was to start a spin off series with her being the main character. at that time marvel universe just started. ST was trying to catch on the trend. the episode didn’t do well (more specifically the worst rated episode of the series). The brothers probably just want to forget about it now lol
@@lex.iii7 008 needs redemption. She can return and just say her crew are in jail and she's all alone.
@@lex.iii7 Just started? The MCU's been around since 2008
@@lex.iii7 it was actually good she had a sister i loved it i loved el sister even though they had different views
I hope not. 008 and everyone else in that terrible sub-plot deserves to be forgotten and left in an alleyway to die
There is one person we are not taking into consideration as Kas: Max. The former best friend now brought back to life by Vecna as a sick joke against Eleven which then backfires might be a really compelling arc. We also do not see Max when El tries to go search for her at the end of the season which has me believing Max is taken by Vecna. That ending scene has to mean something. So this is my theory.
Oooo you might be right!
Max was my first thought too. She died and came back. Maybe she brings back some darkness that Vecna exploits in his weakened state.
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What about hopper? In the last episode of stranger things season 4 we see hopper slaying the demogorgon with a sword, first cutting off its right arm and then decapitating it. Perhaps a reference to dnd Vecna's hand and eye?
Kas = Eddie, trust me, they‘re bringing the feckboy back
I think the three-year gap was the reason why Stranger Things S4 did so well. We were waiting for so long, and they knew exactly how to hype up each season, then they did another smart thing by releasing it into 2 parts. Just over a span of a month so people wouldn't forget, and it made people discuss and make theories. This not only brought in more people but it made even more hype
Fun fact: The Shadowfell was actually named the Veil of Shadows in advanced d&d and was referenced in season 1 to describe the upside-down.
not only that, but it was originally gonna be refferred to as the Veil of Shadows throughout the entire series but they liked the takes where they called it the upside-down better
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I would like for Mike to take a bigger role in season 5. Since Season 2 he’s been kinda sidelined. I think max might also be connected. Maybe she is in a coma connected to a hive mind. Maybe that’s what rips the original boys. Mike and will die and Lucas is heartbroken. Maybe their familys die or Dustin loses steve. The loses could bring Nancy and Jonathan together too
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I hate you for even entertaining the idea that Steve dies
@@angelemeana2754 tf?
@@zhonglishottea9239 bot that’s is one of the worst bits I keep finding
Crap, that's a lot of sacrificing
Honestly, I think that Max will will have to die. She says herself "I'm still connected to Vecna. I'm still marked." So if Will has to die because he's connected to Vecna, wouldn't Max have to die aswell? But permanently this time.
she said that because she survived her first attack in the graveyard. now that she died and opened a gate already, vecna most probably unmarked her now because he already got what he want. But i do think she’ll be part of the hive mind kinda like will
I agree but not because of the connection, but because there are still the letters that she wrote. I think we will have to see what was inside them. They weren't there for nothing, wich breaks my heart as Max is one of my fav characters.
@@mrfutrzaczek9127 If Max dies I'm suing lol 🤣
Max’s mind is stuck in the upside down. Vecna opened portals into the regular world by killing them and pulling them into the upside down, similar to how Eleven sent him into the upside down.
In the first season, people were sent into the upside down but there minds were still attached to their physical forms. In this season Vecna’s victims were being separated from their bodies, hence why they went into the trance in the real world and were fleeing Vecna in the upside down. Once he captured their minds, he destroyed their bodies while trapping their minds. This is why we saw separate versions of Vecna’s victims in the upside down trapped by tentacles.
At the end of the S4 Pt1 finale we saw Eleven go into Max’s mind and it was empty. I think Eleven disrupted the process of Vecna absorbing Max freeing her mind to return to the real world momentarily until she died. Now the question is, where did her mind go? Is it back in the upside down?
My prediction is that Max will either serve as a spy within the upside down or she will be corrupted by Vecna similarly to how he corrupted others.
Her survival depends on Sadie sinks contract
I think Will is going to have a Harry Potter arc where he “dies,” but comes back to defeat Vecna.
YES
I Truly hope so dude, I would cry so friggin hard if he died
I would love him to, but I don't think he will (no pun intended). Harry got revived either because he had the three deathly hallows or his mother's love stayed into voldemort and kept him alive. Both of these don't exist in Stranger Things. I wouldn't be surprised if he fought Vecna in his mind or something while dead, but I can't see a universe where he survives.
I'm with you on Eddie. His death was easily the dumbest part of the season.
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*"I didn't run away this time, right?"*
I (along with MANY other people) feel like Will needs to play a big role in the next season. If he did die it would be very tragic (aT LeAsT hE cOuLd mEeT eDdIE) but could be a way that would fit the story. However, I feel like Will and Max could be candidates to be Kos if Netflix doesn't want to end their storyline tragically with a barricade of emotionally distraught fans. I also feel like Dustin and Steve have a strong connection point for the group.
Great theory as always!!
The creators have confirmed he will be central!
I’m just hoping they do more with Will. Since the 2nd season with everything that started happening to Will after he escaped the upside down, I’ve been hoping he would get powers or be the hero. I mean come on, out of everyone that got sucked into the upside down in season one, he was the only one to somehow survive. He even survived being possessed in season 2 by the mindflayer. I know they’ve put a lot of emphasis on Eleven being the hero, but have the secret weapon in the background; its Will, it has to be! When they play DnD, he is the cleric…I don’t know much about that game, but from what I looked up, this is the description of that role: “Clerics are skilled in the use of divine magic. Clerics are powerful healers due to the large number of healing and curative magics available to them. With divinely-granted abilities over life or death, they are also able to repel or control undead creatures. Clerics also have specific 'domains' which usually align with the character's alignment... Whether the cleric repels or controls undead is dependent on the cleric's alignment.” I think *alignment* being the key here. He’s been in the back of the team so far. In season 3 & 4 they made Will seem kind of weak emotionally with him being sad about his friends not playing with him, everyone getting into relationships except him, and his feelings for Mike. Even that painting he made for Mike, he put himself way off into the backline of the depicted fight. Maybe the show writers did that on purpose to make Will seem like an unlikely choice to essentially “win the game” for everyone. With DnD being the theme of the show and how much emphasis they’ve put on that game (his disappearance was even told/predicted by the game in the first episode) , it only makes sense for him to finally be put in the frontline and use his power to somehow control and defeat Vecna. The show started with Will being the first one to be targeted by Vecna, so it needs to end with Will fighting him. Those are my thoughts anyway.
lol go do some more research on clerics, I agree he should have gotten powers and been given a more main role, but in no way does it make sense for him to take control of Vecna
@@A1readyDead They are linked together now and will can feel what Vecna feels. So it's totally possible that Will could at least temporarily overwhelm Vecna with some emotions.
I agree but I hope to god nobody dies of that group or parents in season 5 because of that’s the case I’m done I’ll literally will break down I’m hoping everyone will stay alive
I have a feeling he's gonna have a much larger role in season 5. I mean the whole idea of Will crushing Mike wasn't touched on or resolved at all in the end of season 4 and it's going to come up somehow in season five. I don't know how or when they're going to do it but there definitely is going to be a confession scene where Will tells Mike he has feelings there. It'll prob be incredibly heartbreaking too bc we know that Will only wants the best for Mike and that Mike is happy with eleven seeing as Will encourages their relationship no matter how much it kills him internally. HIs connection to the mind flare and thus vecna isn't fully gone either so that will also prob play a role.
EDIT: Also just so you know alignment represents a DND character's basic character structure. So there are 9 alignments and they are crossovers of two categories. The character can either be good, evil or neutral and they can also be lawful, chaotic or neutral. Each DND character has to pick one from those two categories and that's called character alignment
I think that their downfall with Will came from introducing too many other characters and relationships that took the audiences attention. They just shoved him aside and treated him like a McGuffin. I have a sneaking suspicion that anything they do with his character in season 5 is going to be anticlimactic and rushed.
As for the theory about Vecna killed the eight, it works out. Vecna was one and eleven was, well…Eleven. And we also have to remember that the one girl escaped when she was little and joined a “gang”. So, all of the other telepathic kids represent the eight
The one that left was number eight I think lol. But also there were more kids than just 11, I thought she was the last but last season showed us there were more than 11 kids.
Honestly they should've saved off Eddie's death for Season 5, that way they could find a more useful death and given us some more time to build his character and make a death more impactful.
No. And his death was clearly impactful already. Maybe not as we see in the show to everyone yet, but to the audience? Yes
@@whoasked6696 ehh, I felt like he was too brief of a character and that I needed more time to get to know him and for him to plant roots into the show - new characters are infinitely more likely to be killed off a few episodes or hours later
Eddie was kinda useless until the last bit and people are wayyyyy too attached to him he’s not even special what about bob? He was so nice, understood Will wasn’t a weirdo, was nice to Joyce and would’ve been an amazing dad i imagine him and johnathan would get along and him and Will did too i wished he didn’t die
I’m gonna be sad when Stranger Things ends. It’s such a good show and we’ll thought out. I love all the characters and don’t want anyone to die. Especially STEVE!!
Same here. But it needs to end. I remember being heartbroken when Gravity Falls ended, but i'd rather have an awesome show that is finished and even has an awesome ending, then a show that is milked for money and revived again and again until it inevitably fails. I just want to see what becomes of our heroes and how the survivors are going on with their lifes.
Remember Alexei?
(Cries in corner)
Which makes it better when it ends, if it goes on forever it'll become stale and bad, it's good for stories to end when the time is right
Steve dying is one of those things Ik will likely happen (more so with the whole I wanna family dream he told Nancy) but I still just wanna believe he'll be fine :(
Look at it this way at least you can close your Netflix account afterwards. This is the only thing Netflix has going for it these days
I feel like they've been setting will up to die sense season 4. They made him more relatable, racked up the sympathy for him, all to drive him tword a very emotional death after he finally figures himself out like we've all been hoping.
I really hope Will doesn't die. Will dying would be like when Mockingjay killed off Prim - what was even the point of any of it?
@@StarryEyed0590Well it seems he could still be Vecna's tool and I don't think he'll get his happy ending with Mike.
How does nobody realize that *Billy* might end up being Kas? Dude was the first one Vecna targeted when developing his plan. It was Billy that was being talked to, and it was Billy that gathered people to make the mind Flayer in the world. *And if nobody truly dies and instead lives in Vecnas mind, then THAT would give Max even MORE of a purpose and connection to Vecna by connecting to what is left of Billy.*
They even brought him back for an entirely NEW scene in season 4. If they hadn't had any plans for him in the future, then they'd just have max remember him by using previous footage. Max being blind could also make her have a connection with him.
Oh boy, that's great! It would also help to finally give him the redemption arc he never got. Perhaps he turns the tables on Vecna or provides Max with useful information that helps the Party find Vecna's philactary and weaken the hive mind. Wouldn't that be a twist? The bully who died saving Eleven can finally get that redemption that he needs..
oh gosh! That sounds so great
I like this
I dont think so. Vecna wasnt fond of Billy in any way. He was just a tool for his means. In the last epidose, min 1:12:00, when Vecna is chasing Max in her memories, Vecna then intercepts Max in the ballroom, and the Vecna says to Max "you are brave Maxine. Much braver than your brother. But in the end, you are weak and fragile... just... like... him"... if any will be Vecna's right hand, is Eleven's sister
i feel like Matt is completely wrong here, i think stranger things' Kas might just be Will, why do i think this?
1.Will definetely is building up to be important in season 5, Max style
2. His connection to Venca and the upside down may lead to Vecna wanting to partner up with him in some way (i think it might be a thing of him manipulating Will)
3. Will has been through a lot, which might make him vurnerable enough to help Vecna in some way. But in the end he will betray Vecna and save the day
will is lame.
@@ProjektTaku that's such a funny reply, thank you!
Still betting on Max being the thing that Vecna passed his consciousness to
It has more logical sense than will ,since he was in her mind when he was attacked
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Theory: One phylactery could be the clock, as it has so much significance but could be easily overlooked as a common item
omg that's literally what i was thinking. it would make a lot of sense if that was the case
@@misty9029 same
I think the more important link between Eddie and Kas is that Kas is known for his signature spike-laden shield which Eddie uses. Not his sword
also kas is a vampire, which are undead creatures... and eddie would need to be brought back from the dead... also side note, him becoming a creature is totally possible since they left his body behind in the upside down
@@CleanUpNick see the Eddie as Kas theory makes so much sense to me and I desperately want it to happen but I really don’t think that the Duffers will do it :(((
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That's cool, also is your pfp from Scott Pilgrim because if so I love it. 🤣
@Ghost of Wrath It is thanks for the compliment
my conspiracy theory: The Mind Flayer is Kas and Will is going to fill the role of the sentient sword. in the lore, its the Sword of Kas that corrupts kas into betraying vecna. In previous seasons its been shown that will is an important counterpart to the mind flayer with his connection to the upside down and for a time the flayer himself. I think in season 5 will is going to use that connection to ally with the mind flayer against vecna somehow.
I agree so hard with the pointlessness of Eddie's death. Half the characters carry portable tape players like a Walkman. They could have rigged that to the guitar amp easy peasy and pushed play and walked away...
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And then arrived, seen nobody at all, and instantly returned - instead of seeing people running to hide, and as a result staying there distracted . . . . .
The last episode which was 2 hours and 22 minutes long is better than most of today’s movies with the same runtime. Not one second I was bored. The creators of this show deserve an Emmy.
but they take like way too long to make them and then its released all at once with I feel hurts the show.
@@ProjektTaku it kept getting delayed…
@@ProjektTaku have you heard of COVID???
You think?? I had to take two seperate breaks because I found myself disinterested
The problem with movies, that dont occur in shows like ST is that they want to put a complicated story into a one-sit movie for cinemas mostly.
Imagine how much important things they would have to cut in season 1 to fit it in 2-3h movie. How boring ST could be. Not to mention next parts.
There are movies that actually benefits from short lenght or being like trilogy then, but there are not much. Even famous Harry Potter was heavily cut (like whole plot with Hermione fighting for home goblins working for free in Hogwart (sorry, i dunno the official english name for the Dobby's species xd)).
Thats why the 2h 22min episode of ST was so good. We knew their past, their story, we were attached to every character, even if they appeared in current season. It was like watching a good sequel, where someone that never watched ST could not undestant anything and probably get bored.
if stranger things does follow this theme, one of vecna's phylacteries could be the clock as he uses it so much throught the entire show, e.g. when hopper is in the tunnels, when will falls off his bike, when max sees the clock. the clock is used to much that it will definitely be used in season 5.
Another phylactery could be his spider cage. Like the jar that held that one spider that Henry let roam around his hand. It was also the same spider that crawled around Steve, so that spider must be important somehow.
The clock sounds were added to the old episodes just before season 4 was released. They weren't there at the time of their debut. The creators had talked about going back and adding some details to old episodes.
And additionally (assuming you’re talking about the “clock” noises when Will first entered the upside down), they aren’t even clock sounds. I’m pretty sure the sound effect is just the bike’s wheel still spinning after he set it down
Steve better get a good ending, he hasn’t had a real big win in the entire show. He deserves it
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Season 1 ending, he had that showdown with the demogorgon.
Yes!
I think he's gonna get a "good ending". I hope we get to see him with children and a wife (maybe Nancy if she doesn't die, even though I think Vecna is so upset about her).
And if he's not with her, let's hope he'll still be happy.
Great theory, but on Eddie's death feeling pointless, I feel like everyone forgets that the bats could've followed him through the portal, and if they didn't, they could've gone for the gang at the house so, it's a sad death but ultimately its not pointless
Great theory, but on Eddie's death feeling pointless, I feel like everyone forgets that the bats could've followed him through the portal, and if they didn't, they could've gone for the gang at the house so, it's a sad death but ultimatley its not pointless
Okay, but he was leading them away on a bike, fell off the bike, and instead of running for a couple more minutes until they all died, he fought them.
@@insert_name_here936 thank you I mean he chose that moment to stop running form things the one time he needed to fucking run I was so pissed by it
It is pretty pointless and stupid in my opinion. First off, why did he stop running, secondly, why don't Dustin and Eddie have any fire with them in case things go sideways? Robin, Steve and Nancy have molotovs, it wouldn't have been that hard
@@philosopher1912 1. It would have been harder to run with more weight like molotov, 2. They were faster than him so he couldnt run anyway. 3 they're airborne creatures how are they going to accurately hit hundreds in the air
Adding on to the death of the 8 sorcerers when Vecna showed up in DND, he killed 8 of the other psychic children. He killed all but himself, #8 and 11. Just adding on to Matt’s already amazing look into this.
“Just like Eddie uses against the dema-bats during the final battle” *camera pans over Eddie holding a spear*
My favorite moment in the show was when Vecna said: "Its Vecnin Time" then Vecna'd all over the place. Truly some stranger things.
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its morbin time
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One of the scenes of all time, truly.
One thing about Kas’s sword is that it is tied to Nerull, the old evil god of death. It is believed that Nerull corrupted Kas…further corrupted Kas…through the sword, leading to the betrayal. This could be a way to lead to the “there’s another bad guy more powerful than the last one” trope.
While the hand and eye are the most iconic, there’s also the heart of Vecna which is in possession of a powerful lich known as Queen Osterneth, the Bronze Lich. She’s quite obscure, but would make a great miniboss on the quest to take out the philacteries. His other most popular artifact is the Book of Vile Darkness. It is so powerful that he keeps it in his ribcage.
Could Kas be Will? Someone that Vecna has used in the past? It could be a cool arc to see Will finally triumph over Vecna, who’s been manipulating him throughout the seasons
OMG Will being Kas would be such a plot twist! The duffer bros did say he'd have a major role in season five
This theory is so tragic, and it’s so depressing, but it’s brilliant. Though it would be heart wrenching to watch something like this go down and watch Stranger Things come to an end like that, it would probably be one of the best endings to a show ever, if written well and done right. I mean, I hate to say it because I don’t want to see my favorite characters die off like that, but it would be an insane ending to this story.
These are my points/thoughts for S5.
1. The deaths from past characters lingers and are actually useful to our heroes, but to Vecna as well. Dustin just joined the "Vecna messing with your head" club with Eddie. Like Nancy and Barb or Max and Billy.
2. The show already hinted at the parents getting involved and don't forget the world is still after our kids, and considering Hawkins is about to become an apocalyptic place, The parents will have to step up and protect their families. Based on the interaction with all of them together, Mike's mom seemed to be the "leader" worthy person of that group followed by Lucas' mom?
3. I always thought either Hopper or Mike would die bc they're the 2 most important people to El. She needs a boost to fight Vecna if you will, just like how 8 trained her.
4. We still don't know what other powers El is capable of as she did do something to Max at the list minutes to "save her".
5. I think the bats will have an effect on Steve, bc Robin might have foreshadowed rabies with bats.
6. I still think the therapist is sus bc of her necklace being a key, and the keyhole on the clock. Maybe the clock is an item or the house?
7. What happened to Murray and Enzo? We didn't see them, but I'm assuming Murray is hiding him and let's not forget the Russian gov and our gov still hunting El and Hopper or the traitors.
8. 8, that's right. I hope she comes back to help or even bring back up.
9. There's going to be a lot of mind tricks, "Will" duplicates or soldiers.
10. I don't want anyone to die, but there's probably going to be pre deaths, followed by final moment deaths.
11. I DEMAND JUSTICE FOR WILL. LEAVE HIM! I also hope Mike changes bc I don't care if he dies bc he's such an idiot and a jerk rn, but I don't want El to hurt again lol. Gosh I hope it ain't gonna be Hopper or Dustin or Steve. They're like my top 3, followed by El and Max and Joyce and Will for 4th place
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2. Of the parents, aren't Joyce and Hopper the obvious leaders of the group?
El,Max,will are my favorites so far in the show
Murray probably went home
Hoping will just let’s him down easy and will finds the love of his life
My theory is: Nancy mentioned monsters, army from what she saw. That has to mean new beasts, right? One of them has to be Borys. The three-headed dragon.
2. I feel like that the mind flayer will return in season 5. Some posters showed the mind flayer and the dark clouds might even feuture it.
3. Max will possibly wake up from coma/vecna’s mind in the end or in season 5
4. The ending shows us that there is the last vines from upside down or there is a hidden gate.
I mean wherever vecna is the mind flayer is there too
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@@seandalo May God bless you and your family and help you Give your life to Jesus Christ and repent. I pray that God will lead on the path to Jesus Christ and send the Holy Spirit to be your helper. I pray this in the mighty name of Jesus Christ I pray Amen! Jesus Christ loves you. Give your life to Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness for ALL OF YOUR SINS. Even the ones committed in the past and repent. He’s coming soon. Please pray and repent.
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I didn't get the fourth point, could you explain please?
If you're talking about connections to the mind flayer, then I'm pretty sure Max might be another character that will die because she's connected to Vecna, she's just in a coma and maybe her death could lead to the climax of season 5
It was @melissaspillane or something, im not sure how to tag
Max is dead. She is alive, but has no soul. Therefore, she is "dead"
I think you’re right up until Will’s death. I think it’s gonna be a struggle when they find out Will needs to die but when Mike gets killed Will and El will have a conversation where Will confesses his love for Mike and then decides to sacrifice himself to take down Vecna and avenge Mike.
Steve needs a win man. He’s my favorite character and the past few seasons he’s been getting knocked down time after time. My friend didn’t believe me until he saw the ending.
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steve DESERVES a win rn. he deserves a happy ending.
There are so many interesting parallels and symbolism between Will and Henry that I hope you go into, because the proposed ending you have I think is not in the least bit satisfying (even though I enjoy your theories!) I believe the series will end with both Will and El being alive and both of them playing huge roles in ending Vecna
You know what would've been fun for the community? If they released the episodes weekly.
So that every week all the fans could talk and speculate about all the different theories they have running in their heads. Like legit speculate about the questions that continue to arise as they watch it episode by episode. Lots of people get it wrong, lots of people would get something right. Either way, people think more about the show.
Kinda like gravity falls way back when. Where the community racked their heads for answers, as each episode came out.
I think they talked about maybe doing this for the next season
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how did they release the other seasons? i watched all 4 seasons a couple weeks ago so idk
THAT WOULD BE COOL LOL
@@NIKOTROLO they released season’s 1-3 as their complete seasons, built for binging, because Netflix and all that jazz. At least I believe so.
Blud tried to sneak himself in there and thought nobody would notice 0:11
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It's been forever since Matpat did a video about Stranger Things. Its about time
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@@yeah_definitely that's why I don't comment as much as I used to
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I believe that Will is gonna play a major role in season 5. He wasn’t one of the main characters unlike in past seasons and I feel like season 4 was his upbringing season since he wasn’t as active compared to other characters. Also I hope 5th season they fix his haircut they did him mad dirty.
I think they said in a interview that his haircut isn't changing 😭
Yeah Noah's (Will's actor) actually has a nice hair. Why are they using this bowl cut i don't get it lmao. Even Noah himself doesn't like it.
I understand that opening part was done more for comedic effect - but
First: it's actually interesting how in early editions of D&D to gain levels you should've taken heaps of money to the training facilities because it was sometimes ten times more efficient way to get XP than just by acummulating battle victories.
So funny thing: El would have bigger numbers by a lot, because of this military/government funding.
And second: as soon as AD&D came to be and further down the road, it has become common to measure characters' expertise by how good they did in three pillars of RPG gameplay, which are: exploration, social interaction and combat. And every life's obstacle, requiring more-than-average effort from the character is considered "an encounter".
So it turns out there's a way for them to get quite a good amount of levels, that one could calculate. Although it would require to have comprehensive morphological analysis of each occurrence that's considered an encounter, taking in consideration who of main cast participated where. For 4 seasons each of them running from 8 to 13 hours - that's on par with "What levels is Pikachu" episodes and even harder
@Sucy elish man shuddup
But your theory is very interesting
5:19 Eddie had to die because when the demmobats saw that it was a recording, they would go directly back to the mansion. Ergo Eddie had a resin to die
I think Will is going to sacrifice himself and start a sort of rebellion from within Vecna, weakening him at a crucial moment in Eleven's fight and its going to end with him taking over as the dominant force controlling the Mind Flayer & Hive mind.
Hopper wielded an actual sword in the season 4 finale. What if that’s foreshadowing him being Kas? I know it doesn’t make a ton of sense, but it would be interesting to see him as a mind controlled villain
I said to myself it was an overly elaborate and well-made, fantasy-looking sword for a bunch of russians to just give to doomed prisoners, so I think there might be something to it.
plz no
Let's be real. We all wanted this.
Also, can we say how weird it is that they go from Demogorgon (demon prince with his own massive swarms of demons he governs), to a mind flayer.... Almost feels like a step down if you think about the dnd part.
Same!
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16:51 -Me just imagining how much hate the directors and producers will get if this happens. gosh I can’t even imagine it happening, I’ll probably cry for days if it does
I believe Vecna’s phylactery is actually his childhood home, think about it he is completely attached to it and has his tendrils all throughout the house.
Or his grandfather clock
It shows up literally in every visison
I mean that was destroyed though
The clock tho
As a D&D player, your research is impressive, 10/10 theory I would love to see in season 5.
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I'm surprised so many people disliked the way Eddie died. I thought it was very sentimental and gave an already tragic character a phenomenal ending that still lingers in my mind. Don't get me wrong, I really liked Eddie. But I don't think he would have made such a huge impression on me if it wasn't for his last words or the fact that, despite everything that went down, he still wasn't vindicated in the real world.
Sometimes characters don't need a "happily ever after" ending to shine through.
Eddie and Dustin could have gotten away safe and sound. Eddie's real tragedy was that he had nowhere to go, so his sacrifice was senseless.
it's not about the fact that he died. I also got emotional and think he had a sentimental death. It's *how* he died. He didn't need to do that, and simply putting a tape and speaker as a distraction could've given him a proper escape opportunity.
tl;dr he didnt have to die nor did he deserve to :((
Exactly. Eddie would’ve been way less impressionable had he not died.
@@pezz4864 I don’t think they even had a tape or a speaker, plus I don’t know if you remember but everyone was literally going to die.
You start by saying you don't understand why people are upset with *how* Eddie died, but you conclude by saying they can't all be happy endings.
It was obvious that Eddie was going to die, whether it was this season or next, and it works with his character development. There is less a want for a happy ending for him and more a want for a *better* written ending for him. I *expected* him to die and appreciate that *necessity* narratively, I do *not* wish it had been a happy ending for him. I just wish his death had been *better* in that it wasn't dumb/unnecessary/poorly written.
Honestly, I kinda think Eddie's death might have been so shoehorned in because they were set on him being Kas and choosing a song that could symbolise that turning well after his confirmed death kind of makes it even more compelling for me, as if they were really trying to justify his forced death. However, I really dislike how often they bring back characters so I'm kind of hoping this theory about Eleven is correct.
I think another important component is the clock. When you look at the clock there is a key hole on the side of it. The therapist has a necklace with a key and a clock is on the key. Because everyone who visits her winds up dead or is aimed at by vecna, I think the therapist could be working with vecna or at least controlled by him as well.
honestly, the whole scene with max trying to get her to talk about chrissy felt so... off, i guess? i mean, there was a clock ticking throughout the entire scene, and she was wearing that necklace. idk, it would make sense if she was controlled by vecna or smth.
6:11 NO. The thing called a "Mind Flayer" In stranger things is NOT a mind flayer. It's closer to an elder brain, the thing Will coughs up is an Ilithid tadpole and WILL is the mind flayer. Mind flayers cannot create the "slugs". That's the job of the Elder Brain.
As much as I know it’s not gonna happen, I want Will to go into his villain era. Enough has happened to him that he’s either going to be a puppet of Vecna or just snap and turn bad to find a way to survive. I think it would be a cool twist to turn the innocent lovable character into one of the monsters.
That wouldn't make sense though.
I've seen this theory floating around. And it might have been a decent direction to go, but the series just hasn't set up for that quite enough. Yes, he's been traumatized and tormented by Vecna and pretty much abandoned by all his friends, but there have also just been too many moments where he has heart to heart conversations with his family and friends that I don't think his pain is enough to justify turning on his party. Even if he is manipulated by Vecna, he will eventually betray him.
It wouldn't make sense at all, but it would be very fun to see.
Honestly though, SOMEONE has to go into their villain era. That character arc has never happened in the show; no matter how many times the good characters hurt each other or were threatened by the bad characters, nobody ever backed down and joined the other side. There are so many characters that at least one needs to join the bad side, and I could see Will being the one to do it. Maybe it will connect back to his unreciprocrated crush on Mike.
I think it's important to point out that party level and growth in D&D can be EITHER XP based OR Milestone based (gaining levels based on achievements or completing quests). So even if we won't get an exact theory calculating party levels, it's easy to say that everyone who's still with the group has to be rocking some pretty high levels with everything they've done!
I personally disagree, while yes it does make sense from a plot standpoint, the amount of outrage and hate Netflix would get for ending the show like that would be more than enough to prevent that kind of ending. That’s just my opinion though…
I don't know, I find it to be a really good story, even though it might enrage some people, if done right. It could be something special.
The Duffer brothers DID NOT intend for the show to get more than one season and neither did Netflix at the time. The duffer brothers went back and added the hints that Vecnas there even when he wasnt. Tere are videos on RUclips about changed scenes because they aren't as clever as people want them to be.
can you recommend specific videos, searching does not seem to work.
Also the thing about the lock opening, wasn't that just El since she walked in literally right after 💀
@@certified_clown No, the lock opening was from the first episode where will is taken
#JusticeForEddie
For real though. Eddie was the best character in season four. I loved his and Steve’s little parenting rivalry over Dustin. And as much as I’m aware that there was no real way for him to fit in the series due to being wanted for murder, I strongly believe he should’ve at least had a better death
Ya I got so mad that he died. Literally my favorite character with Steve. He shouldn’t have risked his life :(
Not unprecedented. Eleven was literally in hiding from the government at Hopper's cabin for an entire off-season (like a year or so?).
@@itz-yasser2277 how did he die
Nah, Justice for Mews
Overrated,eddies overrated tbh
Yooooo I got chills when you discussed will being a part of the hive mind. I think you nailed it. This final season is gonna rip my heart out.
Well one of the great things about the classic D&D is while leveling up was harder it didn't matter as much.
I feel so bad for you, 5 bots, also what do you mean that it didn't matter as much, I would assume that if there's levelling it would matter
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@@mark1A100 huh, so kinda "pointless" in the gran scheme of things?
I mean, if everyone starts dying with emphasis on Mike, it's possible Will finds a way to turn everything backward by somehow sacrificing himself with the help of Eleven, thus returning the word back to the date that the upside down is stuck in; the date Will originally went missing. And yes, it WOULD make sense that Eleven is supposed to be Kas, as 11 is 2 in roman numeral.
I agree. theres a reason the upside down is stuck in season 1 and if this happens El won't know any of her friends, Mike and his friends and family will be crying over his death and El will be alone and again trying to escape from her papa. Or it will go back all the way to when EL first killed Vectna and she will somehow stop herself from making the chip out of his keck
Theory: The Mind Flayer is still the big bad, and is just using Henry by making him think he's in control to use him.
yeah, what if the mind flayer is kas 🤯
@@CleanUpNick I wonder if Kas is going to be the new Morpheus Theory lmao
@@CleanUpNick I forget, who's Kas? I think I might know, but I don't want to assume.
Hopefully
@@jad7405 indeed. I was _really_ disappointed by the whole reveal in Volume 2/Episode 9. So I'm hoping it's just some misdirect, plus it would add more to the Mind Flayer as a villain/grand manipulator.
The song choice used for Eddies death scene would lead me to believe he's still alive, the show has used the song b4 in scenes where we think someone is dead but they come back to life (season 1 episode 8 - 37:40 ish area) They did this again with another song, Peter Gabriel's Heros. Used when they find Wills fake body in season 1 and again at the end of season 3 when we think Hopp is dead.
To me it looks like music plays a large part in the show, both the above songs repeated on the show, and the connection to should i stay or should i go" and "running up that hill"
I kept getting confused with vecna and the mind flayer. at first I thought that vecna was controlling it, but at the same time dustin said that vecna was the mind flayers five star general, but then I was told that vecna gave the mind flayer the form of the spider.
Dustin was throwing out a theory without all the context, Vecna is using the mind flayer
The mindflayer could be a more primordial entity that helped vecna after he gave it a physical form while messing around with the particles
Personally I think it's something that he created because the upside-down was so empty when Henry first got sent there and Dustin saying Vecna is the 5 star general could just be him not realising that Henry was the first (because how could he??)
Could be wrong on that but it's just my take on how that was layed out to us
I’m glad you talked about Will dying as part of the finale because I’ve had that theory for a long time. And season 4 kinda confirmed it to me because he seems like the ultimate portal between reality and the upside down
@tom shuo El took his family Will took her fate.
Yeah there would be no way to give him a happy ending otherwise, his one-sided love for Mike would just be miserable for him. Even though I love him dearly it’s the only way he’d be truly happy.
All i want for s5 , is for Will to have a more important role in the series. If he dies, it better be a well-deserved death. My personal theory is the eleven will be the main attacker against Vecna. (probably dealing the final blow as well) However, Will will most likely be fighting his own battles against him in s5. He will go through a character arc that will hopefully go through the entire way he has been feeling throughout the seasons. (If this happens, I hope that he will say these things to Jonathan. Will is going to be a main source of information.
Although I am predicting this to happen, it is most likely what I hope it will become.
it started with will, it ends with will
I think Eleven has to die for the show to end, knowing the end of the season, the bad people will probably stop attacking after he dies.
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Vecna's face from D&D fits perfectly with the Thanos body!
Common misconception: Vecna is NOT the ruler of the upside down. That role still goes to the Mind Flayer. They even say “If the demogorgon is the Mind Flayer’s foot soldier, then Vecna is his 5-star general.” He’s a massive deal, but not the leader.
@1Funz the upside down already existed, she just accidentally connected the two worlds
I don't know how true that is though. I mean the final episode of season 4 makes it clear that Vecna shaped the upside down into what it is and it even hints at him creating the mind flare by him using his powers to make the formation that is the mind flare shortly after he entered the upside down. It's also why upside down Hawkins is a replica of Hawkins the day that he entered the dimension, bc that was his reference point to go off of.
Someone didn't pay attention to season 4 lol. MF is a puppet pulled by 001
That was BEFORE it was revealed Vexna created the Mind Flayer though. We even saw him draw it in a picture during his childhood. The intention couldn't be anymore explicit.
Vecna created the mind flayer, that's revealed in the ending.
I’ve heard theories that 8 is working with Vecna because of her ability to create illusions and Henry could only control things with his mind this could explain the clock and traumatic visions everybody has before Vecna gets them
WAIT OMG THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.. they just forgot she exsisted after the eleven character arc LOL.
@@scintellamochi2721 They didnt forget. 001 mentions 008/Kali in episode 6 of season 4
Yeah no lol
Except Henry already had and has the power to create illusions. He was 001 the first experiment child who had all the powers that the other kids were being experimented on and taught to have. He has illusions, reaching into others minds, and controlling things with his mind. We know this not only because it was plainly said, but also because he was the one who killed all his family and his father was shown to have seem illusions before his death as well.
Genuine question here: am I being silly by immediately thinking the theory was going to say that the Grandfather Clock was going to be a Phylactery when MattPatt introduced them? He was going down the path of saying it was obvious and I was going "yup, that big clock as it tolls whenever he captures someone so is prevalent in hospital existence." and then he goes onto Will.....I mean, yeah, sure he is a clear one also, but I 100% thought it was going to be the clock.
i literally thought the same😄
True! That would actually make logical sense with what the show has set up in hindsight.
i mean its believeable but the story of season 5 would be way to short to have the grandfatherclock as the phylactery because, it could be easily destroyed
I am pretty sure there can be two phylacteries, like in HP there were 7 Horcruxes
I still feel like they're saving 8 to bring her back for a big revelation. Since 5 is going to be their last season I think it's going to be her year but that's just me
Ah yes, Eleven's random sister that never gets mentioned during the entirety of the Henry flashback. Surely she'll save them, somehow. Also the thought of Veccna killing Mike has a much bigger psychological impact if they play into the whole "Will might have feelings for Mike" thing they've been hinting at.
Well the sister escaped before the death of all the siblings?
Actually 008/Kali aka Eleven’s “sister” is mentioned. Not in the Henry flashback but his flashbacks as an overseer to Eleven and the other numbers.
In season 4 episode 6, he was talking about a time back then and says that he’s referring to the time before 008 left.
Eight could be killed in the beginning of the season for Vecna to gain power.
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I feel vecna might target Dustin since he has a tragic past, especially with Eddie.
same i swear an episode will end with dustin being taken over
@@jackalexjack i hope not
I feel like if Eleven ended up defeating Vecna on her own it would be kinda boring in a way, I'd much prefer it if the others were able to because it feels like they depend on her too much
I really like the Eddie theory because, like you, I feel like his death was not fit for his character, and he was an incredibly interesting character that turned into one of my comfort characters (the other being Robin), that might make me kinda biased tho lol
I totally agree
The death was fit for his character, he finished his arc by dying.
I figured the phylactery was the grandfather clock from his childhood that lurks in every nightmare. The hive mind connection with will may be separate from the phylactery, or the hypnotic effect of its pendulum may be an integral part of establishing his connection.
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Well, either way, I feel that NINA is going to play a huge role. Eleven understands that she wasn't ready to take on Vecna, so next season, they'll have to team up with Dr. Owens to augment Eleven's powers.
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Dustin is the heart. And the comedic genius.
Something I think will definitely play a role, which no one in the comments is mentioning (that I've seen) is the obvious fact that Will is into Mike. If this comes out into the open early in S5, and if Mike doesn't reciprocate Will's feelings, that seems like just the sort of thing that Vecna could use to turn Will against his friends and become Vecna's agent. My guess would be that toward the end, Vecna does something (or worse, maneuvers Will into doing something) that kills Mike, and this shocks Will into betraying Vecna somehow (just like Kas did in D&D), though probably at the cost of his own life.
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I hope so much that Mike gets a real role in Season 5
that is the only reason I will watch s5
YESSSSS I really don’t want him to be just “the boyfriend” next season
I love how this theory is based on "does Eleven die?" Yet he's just chatting about vecna and dungeon and dragons
He predicted GOT ending in 2016, the man is a prophet. The algorithm is indeed weird because it recommended me that video in 2022. I'm taking his stuff seriously now.
It’s weird how many parallels to Harry Potter there are, with the phylacteries to Horcruxes and the fact that Will is connected to Vecna in the same way that Harry is to Voldemort, both characters having to die to remove their link to the big baddie.
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Weird to see how much Rowling plagiarised other fantasy lores, you mean?
@@LupinoArts inspired
and yeah, its kinda hard to avoid cliches and other lore points when humans have been kicking around for so long
It's amazing how ppl like MatPat and other amazing theorists can look back and see all of that stuff from Season 1 of stranger things! I'm pretty sure my eyes and mind aren't that astute lol
Will seems more of a Kas then anyone to me. I feel like he’s gonna be the one betraying since he spied on earlier season. Plus if they bring Eddie back then what’s to say he doesn’t raise Barb from the dead and use her too? Then everyone can come back alive
Yeah especially when duffer bros said Eddie not coming back and Joseph said that they also told him he wouldn't be in s5
Imagine having your DND campaign become cannon lore