What makes me think it may be a sequel still is the fact that they showed exact clips from advent children in ff7r during the fight with the arbiter of fate. We fight and kill the arbiter and manifestations of Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo from Advent Children. After defeating them I believe we may given freedom to original og sephiroth from what I can tell . It seems he was imprisoned and we were manipulated the whole game to essentially free him . The developers want us to know advent children for a good reason. It’s also interesting that advent children is going to be in theaters right before rebirth is released too.
You're right. This is done in film and television a lot. This Remake trilogy is the Bates Motel (2013) to Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. It's a reimagining/retelling of the source material in its own universe.
I feel if it were merely a reimagining of FF7 Aerith and Sephiroth wouldn't have access to these fate defying powers from the get-go. Aerith's touch that awakens Cloud and calms Red XIII, and both of their visions of the future, solidified in my mind that we are at least dealing with an element of time reversal if nothing else. While it does seem as if the development team is introducing loads of elements that had been left on the cutting room floor, their philosophy seems as if they aren't trying to replace the original game in our minds, but expand upon it in so far as they could while keeping the compilation canon as a whole.
A big reason why I feel there's some "time reversal" as you say is Aerith's reaction when Cloud asked her "What's special about today?" after they first met. She definitely KNOWS something. Oh and of course the "You can't fall in love with me."
@@Nero_Jero I got the Aerith night sequence during my first playthrough and it blew my mind. I felt like Cloud was literally talking to post compilation Aerith. From there I always thought of the flowers representing Aerith from the original lifestream, but interpreted as Aerith's Mother to Remake's Aerith. In Advent Children both Kadaj and Cloud mistake Aerith as Mother in the presence of the lifestream. I feel these games are the last of the compilation gross lifestream timeline wise, but all the character's still have new development left to go.
@@SilverSisu That's the vibe. I like that Remake Aerith is still her own character even if she has been dropped hints concerning everyone's fate from the lifestream, same with Cloud and Sephiroth. These are still new stories being told sure, but clearly there is some weight given to having experienced the original compilation beforehand.
6:35 I 100% agree. The whispers are like a nod to fans of the OG, but can be explained in-game. And Remake Trilogy is a reimagining. Very well said and edited. Love it. I also think it’s a compilation of the FF7 compilation. It’s a full reimagining/retelling of the whole world of FF7.
Indeed it is a completely new thing. I often here the question 'do you prefer remake or the OG' and my answer will always be; one is an apple the other is an orange. They are completely separate entities. There are things I love in the remake, whilst many changes I didn't like at all.. however, step back and think of it as something complete different, forget remake was even in the title and sits much sweeter for me personally.
Remake's in other forms of media are rarely 1:1 'remakes'. Whether we are talking about songs, movies, books, etc., artistic liberties are generally par for the course. Because generally speaking, the purpose of a remake is for the sake of adaptation. Thus, I don't see a reason that a sequel can't be adapted to also be a remake. Especially if time travel is involved. And that is basically what I think FFVIIR is. A remake that is also a sequel.
I agree with so much of this. I'm going to make an analogy because anything else would take to long. FFVII was a perfect cake without frosting. The compilation was the frosting, and while a lot of it was great frosting the bakers had it in them to make another cake. Now the new cake is very carefully decorated like a masterpiece. Some of the people who eat the new cake might want it on it's own plate, and others will want to mix it with the old leftovers, but either way we're all having a little party while eating it lol
I don't think you're off base about anything else, but the OG game and the future are both at play in Final Fantasy 7 Remake. There's a part during the harbinger or maybe it's after the sephiroth fight I don't remember, but you get to see snippets from the future of the series (for example Red's pups) as it seems like those future memories are erased. Also the flavor text for the whisper generals you have to fight says that they came from the future. *mic drop ;)
The whispers aren’t the fans. The whispers work for the planet. The whispers want things to go the same way they went in OG because in OG, the planet wins (no Sephiroth, no humans)
@@RayCoffmanmy comment disappeared or didn’t post lol whoops but hell yeah! I know YOU always know what’s up man, that’s why I watch your content. My comment was more directed at the comment section. Did you happen to check out the video I linked? It’s like 45 minutes but definitely worth it if you haven’t seen it yet
I've been pretty upset about them not doing a full on remake, a 100% retelling. BUT as soon as they even announced it would be in several parts years before remakes release, I've been looking at it not as a faithful remake. it's more of a 2020+ game adaptation of a 1997 game - much how the hobbit movies went from one book to three movies. things are added, things are lost but more importantly cinematography over text is also added. which adds so much to the experience, it adds performances etc. BUT it being an adaptation, it's not going to be using the script of FF7-97. the devs have said that they wish to remake it faithfully though - so how do we reconcile these widely different events and motivations versus a faithful remake? I believe that what the devs mean is that what the experience of FF7-97 gave you upon first playthrough is what they are replicating, in terms of narrative/story even for diehard fans. because if you think about it: 1. 90% of remake was faithful to the source, but enhanced. 2. the diverging elements are : Sephiroth and Aerith. Sephiroth in the OG was a force of mystery and "unimaginable" power - how do you recreate that if people have the script of FF7-97 out there. You change things, you make him alter events as a force for evil. He deliberately "wastes" Clouds time in chpt2 in order to have Cloud and Aerith not meet. which was foiled by the whispers. now with this new plot of altering/straying away from FF7s plot you can have Sephiroth be this enigmatic and seemingly omnipotent being since he's conquering the lifestream. 3. that makes both Sephiroth and Aeriths fate no longer set in stone - another way to illicit the experience OG brought in 97 of having you lose Aerith suddenly, abruptly and without warning. how many people are not right now saying that remaining true to OG is counter to what they did with the whispers? that's the seed of doubt needed to have you not play Rebirth from the start, bracing yourself for Aeriths death. I'd liken it to the scene in Inside out - where memories are changed from happy to sad or bittersweet - the devs want us to not go through rebirth with those events already colored as bittersweet but happy until the shift, if there is a shift. so whilst all is up in the air, I'm not seeing what the devs are doing as purposely destroying what FF7 was or is - or belittling FF7 as some inferior story to remake, they are trying to capture what FF7-97 is in this ADAPTATION made in 2020+
there are gonig to be things going differently but the characters will be the same, because we are starting Rebirth with the flashback, we're going to get a resolution to that earlier than in the og. before ancient city even ... which I doubt will be the same story but I'm excited to MAYBE be blown away with how they tell things this way around.
They have said that the remake trilogy is the 5th and final part of the compilation. That being said the OG is not part of the compilation meaning remake is the compilation’s version of the original game
It's kind of funny finding out, recently, that you are an artist, because when I first started watching some of your videos you reminded me of a very good friend of mine who is also an artist. I have had him at some of my shows in the past. His name is Eddie Price, and he's a very good artist. He does a lot of 3-D artwork, and you guys have similarities. Pretty cool stuff 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Well… time has something to do with it. And from my point of view still has elements of a time loop, kinda like FF8. The Time Guardian sort of gives precedence for time shenanigans. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a sequel.. but could possibly be viewed as both in a way. They may just be showing us things that they weren’t able to in the OG, maybe they were cut, maybe they couldn’t fit it all, as you said. I vaguely remember something said from them like… It’s the ‘new story of FF7.’
DUDE !!!! I BEEN SAYING THE ONE TIMELINE THEORY SINCE DAY ONE!!! hahahahahah MULTIVERSE IS OVERUSED!!!! It's a new written story to tell the story in a better manner EXACTLY!!!!!
Agreed Critical Drinker did a multiverse video a couple of days ago! was spot on ! I do however think the "ore" sephiroth stuff is beautiful and I am guilty of theory crafting some redemption arcs for Sephiroth but.... it could be a deeper betrayal story, that has a deeper impact on Sephiroth and characters and us the gamer!! good thing we can sit back and watch couple more weeks woot woot!! I'll be tuning in to the videos RAY UNREAL!!@@RayCoffman
Certain story elements that didn't make it into FFVII were used in VIII. The characters Fujin and Raijin and Sorceress Edea's visual design were created during production of VII, and I wouldn't be surprised if the concept of the gunblade was invented at the same time; it feels like it would belong in VII's universe. The gunblade reappeared in XIII, which has more story elements in common with VII than any other game in the series, with the exception of X. I think it would be a nice little Easter Egg if Cloud or Vincent got access to a gunblade at some point in the Remake project.
I love this. It makes the most sense. I'm struggling with the explanation of the second cloud. Is there a second cloud? Thanks for your time. Always great watching and listening to your ideas!
When I finished remake my thought was that it was a reimagined approach given it was years of compilation and spins offs. It only made sense to present FF7 as accurately as it could be if the game was made after the FF7 universe was created. Granted the Zack stuff is still like hmm? And I guess Hamaguchi confirmed Crisis Core isn’t canon and said that the remake saga is its own thing. So now I am even more curious about Zack’s part.
In the end it's a video game I'm playing until the full game is out. Until we finish the 3rd game we truly won't know. We know they love throwing us curveballs to keep us guessing. Just my take these days.
Multiverse inception I feel more and more it is a multiverse adjacent re-imagining compilation retelling with a potential Zack inner multiverse story woven into its new & current multiverse setting in which they are retelling the original compilation. #MultiverseInception
Man this video is so refreshing brother!!! Thank you for this! Much needed logic in the discussion that has gone off the rails. I would argue the whispers weren't there to keep things in line with OG. They saved Wedge from getting crushed when he was "supposed" to die. I think their function was more in line with doing what the planet needs ro defeat Sephiroth. Wedge is key to helping the cast in the Shin-Ra building.
I completely agree with you Ray, FF7 Remake is the original FF7 that has been remade. They say this is a sequel because they look at it from OG's point of view and compare it with the remake, if they focus on looking from the remake's point of view after that compares with OG then I'm sure they will think this is the original FF7 game that has been remade with better graphics, a deep and expanded story, then a change in gameplay from turnbase to action RPG.
The gaming world need to start giving SE their props for the geniuses they are. They had everyone talking about theories of what could be going on. They succeeded with the hype train
Well, in this one instance they’ve nailed it. But to be fair, you’d have to drop the ball pretty hard to completely undo what FF7 is. Let’s hold the genius talk until they prove they can do this with other IPs. They’re good, but they should be unarguably great.
I couldn’t have said it any better my friend. This remake project is everything they wanted it to be in 1997. I fully expect that once the trilogy is complete I’ll be playing this exclusively when I wanna replay FF7.
If it were a reimagining then that would mean it replaces og as the true new story. And I don’t believe that’s the case. IMO based off of the info in remake, after playing the game 30 times at least, this is all post og events taking place. In other words the og has already happened before remake starts. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion though.
ppl are thinking too much, I truly agree with your take on this. It's why they keep saying this game is it's own entity separate from all the other games.
Wow, I truly hope you are wrong, and I'm not sure how you can confidently state it with 99.9% certainty when there are so many contrasting, compelling ideas out there. And like you said yourself, there's so much still that we don't know and have yet to see. The simple standalone 'reimagining' would be the most disappointing theory of all to come true in my opinion, and I imagine there would be a lot of backlash. It's basically the storytelling equivalent, after purposefully building up so much intrigue, of saying "It (the original and all these flash forwards we keep getting in the game) was all a dream." ~ Square surely wouldn't do us dirty like that. It's actually far worse than a simple "it was all a dream" ending, because what you are saying is "it was all an extremely convoluted and misleading dream being had by the planet which you had no way to understand as you were playing"... sounds like some absolutely dogshit storytelling to me haha. And I guess the Stamp logo being different would have been nothing more than an extremely cruel red herring they left us to discuss for 4 years? Because having a dog logo on a packet of chips and then replacing it with a different one sure doesn't sound like an idea they had 27 years ago that they just had no way to squeeze into the original game. I think far more likely than you ever being definitively proven right on this (and also a disappointing ending) would be that they keep it very vague and open for the entire trilogy, and everyone gets to still think their theories are right by the end 😅. Then the debates can rage on for another 20 years til 'Re-Remake'
@@RayCoffman Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean that any of the theories floating around out there are wrong or that we 'fell for' anything? You've taken all those off the table... but why? The way it comes across in this video is that you are essentially saying "I'm 99.9% confident because I'm smarter than all these idiots. Source: Trust me bro." ~ But actually I think the only evidence really provided in the video is that some of the wilder theories can sound pretty dumb when said in a mocking voice and taken completely out of context without any of the evidence to back them up? Not massively compelling. Developer comments have always been purposefully vague and open to interpretation to keep the conversation going (meaning every single content creator can use elements of what they say to back up their own theories).
@@DJChamber this video had nothing to do with theories really. Just a clear understanding of what the devs are doing. Fire a thousand theories and a few will be right for sure.
@@RayCoffman Fair enough! Still a big fan, just this one video rubbed me the wrong way a bit haha. Partly because I so badly do not want it to be right, because I think and hope this team could pull off something genuinely amazing with elements of a bunch of theories that none of us had quite thought of, and give us "one of the greatest and most unique stories ever told" all over again, like they did in '97 (while tying in the original as more than just 'source material'). If anyone can do it, they can!
Very well stated. A lot of western entertainment fans don't understand that the metatextual aspect of Japanese storytelling is WILDLY different to ours. It's existed as far back as their history goes. They're not invested in canonicity the way western media it. They're not trying to tie every detail together or explain everything meticulously. The focus of their stories are on the ideas and the themes, not the superficial semantics of the plot. In Japanese literature, stories will often have multiple versions, with the only true connection between them being that they're based on the same source. It isn't any more complicated that that. And that isn't a criticism against them - complexity =/= depth. I'm not personally a fan of the new additions, but I respect the intent, and the execution is hard to flaw. I choose to take the elements of the FF7 "remakes" that I enjoy, and move past the elements that I don't.
Its an expanded remake. Its not a meta sequel with time travelling sephiroth, they dont realise that is fanfiction tier writing and the ff7 team are just better than that
How does anyone know that we are getting a demo? Because Remake got one? Remake's demo came out a month and a week before release and Rebirth is a month and 5 days away so we are already passed the window of when Remake's demo released.... I won't be surprised if we don't get a demo, pretty sure SE are not worried about Rebirth not selling.
6:00 can you really call it "honouring" the fans when in the story they are made out to be villains who wish for the "bad ending"/"bad story" to be the future for these characters - and the characters are rejecting that, rejecting that OG FF7 is a good story. the characters are literally fighting for their lives to change things, making us the diehard audience disconnect from the characters we play as. that's disrespectful if anything?
@@RayCoffman the game literally has Red say "a future that comes about if we FAIL here" - failing would be bad now wouldn't it? it would be undesirable - to the characters who speak that way. turning the characters against the OG ending might be Sephiroths doing BUT the scenario was written for this to be the case - the party has been turned against the OG ff7 events. some would consider that disrespectful or a way for the devs to highlight that ending as the BAD one compared to what they're cooking up for the ending of the remake trilogy. essentially saying "when this is all over you guys will see that this ending is so much better than OG ff7s and that warrants us changing things" and just the notion of antagonising your diehard fans is not conductive to a good relationship with them. So - what is worth doing that? and in regards to "is it the bad ending" what other hints do we have to consider for us to BELIEVE that's what the devs are telling the story as?
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What makes me think it may be a sequel still is the fact that they showed exact clips from advent children in ff7r during the fight with the arbiter of fate. We fight and kill the arbiter and manifestations of Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo from Advent Children. After defeating them I believe we may given freedom to original og sephiroth from what I can tell . It seems he was imprisoned and we were manipulated the whole game to essentially free him . The developers want us to know advent children for a good reason. It’s also interesting that advent children is going to be in theaters right before rebirth is released too.
You're right. This is done in film and television a lot.
This Remake trilogy is the Bates Motel (2013) to Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. It's a reimagining/retelling of the source material in its own universe.
Sigh… THANK you! 😂
@@RayCoffman until they tell you the Sephiroth you've been seeing is the one from Advent Children.
@@Sif3rthere is precedent for time shenanigans in the original. ie; The Time Guardian.
I feel if it were merely a reimagining of FF7 Aerith and Sephiroth wouldn't have access to these fate defying powers from the get-go. Aerith's touch that awakens Cloud and calms Red XIII, and both of their visions of the future, solidified in my mind that we are at least dealing with an element of time reversal if nothing else. While it does seem as if the development team is introducing loads of elements that had been left on the cutting room floor, their philosophy seems as if they aren't trying to replace the original game in our minds, but expand upon it in so far as they could while keeping the compilation canon as a whole.
Thy is actually literally reimagining the characters
A big reason why I feel there's some "time reversal" as you say is Aerith's reaction when Cloud asked her "What's special about today?" after they first met. She definitely KNOWS something.
Oh and of course the "You can't fall in love with me."
@@Nero_Jero I got the Aerith night sequence during my first playthrough and it blew my mind. I felt like Cloud was literally talking to post compilation Aerith. From there I always thought of the flowers representing Aerith from the original lifestream, but interpreted as Aerith's Mother to Remake's Aerith. In Advent Children both Kadaj and Cloud mistake Aerith as Mother in the presence of the lifestream. I feel these games are the last of the compilation gross lifestream timeline wise, but all the character's still have new development left to go.
I would say they just strengthened their connection to the LS.
@@SilverSisu That's the vibe. I like that Remake Aerith is still her own character even if she has been dropped hints concerning everyone's fate from the lifestream, same with Cloud and Sephiroth. These are still new stories being told sure, but clearly there is some weight given to having experienced the original compilation beforehand.
6:35 I 100% agree. The whispers are like a nod to fans of the OG, but can be explained in-game. And Remake Trilogy is a reimagining. Very well said and edited. Love it.
I also think it’s a compilation of the FF7 compilation. It’s a full reimagining/retelling of the whole world of FF7.
Absolutely Prof.
I have theorized in all of my content that they’re actually “The cries of the planet”.
@@RayCoffman ARE YOU AND I THE SAME
@@profnoctis yes… yes we are. 😈🔥
Indeed it is a completely new thing. I often here the question 'do you prefer remake or the OG' and my answer will always be; one is an apple the other is an orange. They are completely separate entities. There are things I love in the remake, whilst many changes I didn't like at all.. however, step back and think of it as something complete different, forget remake was even in the title and sits much sweeter for me personally.
@@SilverSisu I think I'll personally reserve judgement till it's all done but I grew up with the og so it is naturally hard to top!
The demo drops on January 31. The same day the original FF7 came out in Japan '97
This comment aged well....
@@NikkiTaLance Pretend the January 31 date is tomorrow (Feb 6) 😎
@@TheDanmanz Hehehe. Not if it means bringing back January weather!
Remake's in other forms of media are rarely 1:1 'remakes'. Whether we are talking about songs, movies, books, etc., artistic liberties are generally par for the course. Because generally speaking, the purpose of a remake is for the sake of adaptation. Thus, I don't see a reason that a sequel can't be adapted to also be a remake. Especially if time travel is involved.
And that is basically what I think FFVIIR is. A remake that is also a sequel.
I agree with so much of this. I'm going to make an analogy because anything else would take to long. FFVII was a perfect cake without frosting. The compilation was the frosting, and while a lot of it was great frosting the bakers had it in them to make another cake. Now the new cake is very carefully decorated like a masterpiece. Some of the people who eat the new cake might want it on it's own plate, and others will want to mix it with the old leftovers, but either way we're all having a little party while eating it lol
I’m a fan of analogies. That’s a very good one.
I don't think you're off base about anything else, but the OG game and the future are both at play in Final Fantasy 7 Remake. There's a part during the harbinger or maybe it's after the sephiroth fight I don't remember, but you get to see snippets from the future of the series (for example Red's pups) as it seems like those future memories are erased. Also the flavor text for the whisper generals you have to fight says that they came from the future. *mic drop ;)
Well yeah and that is a glimpse of the future - but we as the gamer know that - but it is “baked into” the reimagine of the title as a base story.
The whispers aren’t the fans. The whispers work for the planet. The whispers want things to go the same way they went in OG because in OG, the planet wins (no Sephiroth, no humans)
I’ve said until I’m blue in the face that The Whispers were always the cries of the planet. They even SOUND like it.
@@RayCoffmanmy comment disappeared or didn’t post lol whoops but hell yeah! I know YOU always know what’s up man, that’s why I watch your content. My comment was more directed at the comment section.
Did you happen to check out the video I linked? It’s like 45 minutes but definitely worth it if you haven’t seen it yet
I've been pretty upset about them not doing a full on remake, a 100% retelling. BUT as soon as they even announced it would be in several parts years before remakes release, I've been looking at it not as a faithful remake.
it's more of a 2020+ game adaptation of a 1997 game - much how the hobbit movies went from one book to three movies. things are added, things are lost but more importantly cinematography over text is also added. which adds so much to the experience, it adds performances etc.
BUT it being an adaptation, it's not going to be using the script of FF7-97. the devs have said that they wish to remake it faithfully though - so how do we reconcile these widely different events and motivations versus a faithful remake? I believe that what the devs mean is that what the experience of FF7-97 gave you upon first playthrough is what they are replicating, in terms of narrative/story even for diehard fans. because if you think about it:
1. 90% of remake was faithful to the source, but enhanced.
2. the diverging elements are : Sephiroth and Aerith.
Sephiroth in the OG was a force of mystery and "unimaginable" power - how do you recreate that if people have the script of FF7-97 out there. You change things, you make him alter events as a force for evil. He deliberately "wastes" Clouds time in chpt2 in order to have Cloud and Aerith not meet. which was foiled by the whispers.
now with this new plot of altering/straying away from FF7s plot you can have Sephiroth be this enigmatic and seemingly omnipotent being since he's conquering the lifestream.
3. that makes both Sephiroth and Aeriths fate no longer set in stone - another way to illicit the experience OG brought in 97 of having you lose Aerith suddenly, abruptly and without warning.
how many people are not right now saying that remaining true to OG is counter to what they did with the whispers? that's the seed of doubt needed to have you not play Rebirth from the start, bracing yourself for Aeriths death.
I'd liken it to the scene in Inside out - where memories are changed from happy to sad or bittersweet - the devs want us to not go through rebirth with those events already colored as bittersweet but happy until the shift, if there is a shift.
so whilst all is up in the air, I'm not seeing what the devs are doing as purposely destroying what FF7 was or is - or belittling FF7 as some inferior story to remake, they are trying to capture what FF7-97 is in this ADAPTATION made in 2020+
there are gonig to be things going differently but the characters will be the same, because we are starting Rebirth with the flashback, we're going to get a resolution to that earlier than in the og. before ancient city even ... which I doubt will be the same story but I'm excited to MAYBE be blown away with how they tell things this way around.
They have said that the remake trilogy is the 5th and final part of the compilation.
That being said the OG is not part of the compilation meaning remake is the compilation’s version of the original game
THANK YOU! I'm glad more and more people are coming off of the "this is the sequel/time travel stuff". I reimagining is much much more likely.
lol@@SilverSisu
It's kind of funny finding out, recently, that you are an artist, because when I first started watching some of your videos you reminded me of a very good friend of mine who is also an artist. I have had him at some of my shows in the past. His name is Eddie Price, and he's a very good artist. He does a lot of 3-D artwork, and you guys have similarities. Pretty cool stuff
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Well… time has something to do with it. And from my point of view still has elements of a time loop, kinda like FF8.
The Time Guardian sort of gives precedence for time shenanigans. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a sequel.. but could possibly be viewed as both in a way. They may just be showing us things that they weren’t able to in the OG, maybe they were cut, maybe they couldn’t fit it all, as you said.
I vaguely remember something said from them like… It’s the ‘new story of FF7.’
DUDE !!!! I BEEN SAYING THE ONE TIMELINE THEORY SINCE DAY ONE!!! hahahahahah MULTIVERSE IS OVERUSED!!!!
It's a new written story to tell the story in a better manner EXACTLY!!!!!
I was hating that multiverse theory from the start. It’s so smooth brain anyone could write that. I like to think Square can be more.
Agreed Critical Drinker did a multiverse video a couple of days ago! was spot on !
I do however think the "ore" sephiroth stuff is beautiful and I am guilty of theory crafting some redemption arcs for Sephiroth but.... it could be a deeper betrayal story, that has a deeper impact on Sephiroth and characters and us the gamer!! good thing we can sit back and watch couple more weeks woot woot!!
I'll be tuning in to the videos RAY UNREAL!!@@RayCoffman
Saddest thing in this video: "I don't think its timeloops anymore"
Certain story elements that didn't make it into FFVII were used in VIII. The characters Fujin and Raijin and Sorceress Edea's visual design were created during production of VII, and I wouldn't be surprised if the concept of the gunblade was invented at the same time; it feels like it would belong in VII's universe. The gunblade reappeared in XIII, which has more story elements in common with VII than any other game in the series, with the exception of X. I think it would be a nice little Easter Egg if Cloud or Vincent got access to a gunblade at some point in the Remake project.
There was a tagline in a Japanese ad that says "are you part of the world you are trying to save". Or something like that. Words to chew on.
Some more misdirection.
I love this. It makes the most sense. I'm struggling with the explanation of the second cloud. Is there a second cloud? Thanks for your time. Always great watching and listening to your ideas!
When I finished remake my thought was that it was a reimagined approach given it was years of compilation and spins offs.
It only made sense to present FF7 as accurately as it could be if the game was made after the FF7 universe was created.
Granted the Zack stuff is still like hmm? And I guess Hamaguchi confirmed Crisis Core isn’t canon and said that the remake saga is its own thing.
So now I am even more curious about Zack’s part.
In the end it's a video game I'm playing until the full game is out. Until we finish the 3rd game we truly won't know. We know they love throwing us curveballs to keep us guessing. Just my take these days.
It's so crazy that they have a truly not clarified what the hell it is LOL what are the exciting time couple weeks to go Ray and we get to play it
Multiverse inception I feel more and more it is a multiverse adjacent re-imagining compilation retelling with a potential Zack inner multiverse story woven into its new & current multiverse setting in which they are retelling the original compilation. #MultiverseInception
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PRETTY MUCH lol! It's like certain fans aren't accepting that bc it's been done to death and/or it's too convoluted
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Oh dude. I have to. I crack like an egg in the winter if I don’t! 😅
Man this video is so refreshing brother!!! Thank you for this! Much needed logic in the discussion that has gone off the rails. I would argue the whispers weren't there to keep things in line with OG. They saved Wedge from getting crushed when he was "supposed" to die. I think their function was more in line with doing what the planet needs ro defeat Sephiroth. Wedge is key to helping the cast in the Shin-Ra building.
That’s actually a good point.
But the. They DID take him out after surviving.
@@RayCoffmandid they though? We have no confirmation if he died yet or not. They may have just whisked him away
@@TheSteelers4190 yes. He’s dead.
@@RayCoffmanI'll have to look at the scene again. It gives off that impression, but we don't see him actually die like we do a Jessie situation
I completely agree with you Ray, FF7 Remake is the original FF7 that has been remade.
They say this is a sequel because they look at it from OG's point of view and compare it with the remake, if they focus on looking from the remake's point of view after that compares with OG then I'm sure they will think this is the original FF7 game that has been remade with better graphics, a deep and expanded story, then a change in gameplay from turnbase to action RPG.
The gaming world need to start giving SE their props for the geniuses they are. They had everyone talking about theories of what could be going on. They succeeded with the hype train
Well, in this one instance they’ve nailed it. But to be fair, you’d have to drop the ball pretty hard to completely undo what FF7 is. Let’s hold the genius talk until they prove they can do this with other IPs. They’re good, but they should be unarguably great.
Great video. Hype train is riding into North Corel…
I couldn’t have said it any better my friend. This remake project is everything they wanted it to be in 1997. I fully expect that once the trilogy is complete I’ll be playing this exclusively when I wanna replay FF7.
If that's the case, I'm expecting Parasite Eve elements in this. With a goddamn sprinkle of Chrono....
Thank you 😭
If it were a reimagining then that would mean it replaces og as the true new story. And I don’t believe that’s the case. IMO based off of the info in remake, after playing the game 30 times at least, this is all post og events taking place. In other words the og has already happened before remake starts. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion though.
ppl are thinking too much, I truly agree with your take on this. It's why they keep saying this game is it's own entity separate from all the other games.
And that is the statement that sealed it for me.
Wow, I truly hope you are wrong, and I'm not sure how you can confidently state it with 99.9% certainty when there are so many contrasting, compelling ideas out there. And like you said yourself, there's so much still that we don't know and have yet to see.
The simple standalone 'reimagining' would be the most disappointing theory of all to come true in my opinion, and I imagine there would be a lot of backlash. It's basically the storytelling equivalent, after purposefully building up so much intrigue, of saying "It (the original and all these flash forwards we keep getting in the game) was all a dream." ~ Square surely wouldn't do us dirty like that. It's actually far worse than a simple "it was all a dream" ending, because what you are saying is "it was all an extremely convoluted and misleading dream being had by the planet which you had no way to understand as you were playing"... sounds like some absolutely dogshit storytelling to me haha.
And I guess the Stamp logo being different would have been nothing more than an extremely cruel red herring they left us to discuss for 4 years? Because having a dog logo on a packet of chips and then replacing it with a different one sure doesn't sound like an idea they had 27 years ago that they just had no way to squeeze into the original game.
I think far more likely than you ever being definitively proven right on this (and also a disappointing ending) would be that they keep it very vague and open for the entire trilogy, and everyone gets to still think their theories are right by the end 😅. Then the debates can rage on for another 20 years til 'Re-Remake'
It’s literally being reimagined.
@@RayCoffman Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean that any of the theories floating around out there are wrong or that we 'fell for' anything? You've taken all those off the table... but why? The way it comes across in this video is that you are essentially saying "I'm 99.9% confident because I'm smarter than all these idiots. Source: Trust me bro." ~ But actually I think the only evidence really provided in the video is that some of the wilder theories can sound pretty dumb when said in a mocking voice and taken completely out of context without any of the evidence to back them up? Not massively compelling. Developer comments have always been purposefully vague and open to interpretation to keep the conversation going (meaning every single content creator can use elements of what they say to back up their own theories).
@@DJChamber this video had nothing to do with theories really. Just a clear understanding of what the devs are doing. Fire a thousand theories and a few will be right for sure.
@@RayCoffman Fair enough! Still a big fan, just this one video rubbed me the wrong way a bit haha. Partly because I so badly do not want it to be right, because I think and hope this team could pull off something genuinely amazing with elements of a bunch of theories that none of us had quite thought of, and give us "one of the greatest and most unique stories ever told" all over again, like they did in '97 (while tying in the original as more than just 'source material'). If anyone can do it, they can!
@@DJChamber were correct until we’re not. Lol. I might be dead wrong. It IS the unknown journey. Lol
Very well stated.
A lot of western entertainment fans don't understand that the metatextual aspect of Japanese storytelling is WILDLY different to ours.
It's existed as far back as their history goes. They're not invested in canonicity the way western media it. They're not trying to tie every detail together or explain everything meticulously. The focus of their stories are on the ideas and the themes, not the superficial semantics of the plot.
In Japanese literature, stories will often have multiple versions, with the only true connection between them being that they're based on the same source. It isn't any more complicated that that. And that isn't a criticism against them - complexity =/= depth.
I'm not personally a fan of the new additions, but I respect the intent, and the execution is hard to flaw. I choose to take the elements of the FF7 "remakes" that I enjoy, and move past the elements that I don't.
For the most part you’re on point.
I just want to know why square uses such terrible fonts.
Its an expanded remake. Its not a meta sequel with time travelling sephiroth, they dont realise that is fanfiction tier writing and the ff7 team are just better than that
Exactly. I hate multiverses that have no basis in story. It’s smooth brain and any third grader can write that story. I expect more from Square.
@@RayCoffman this is why I have watched you for 4 years bro, you are based
How does anyone know that we are getting a demo? Because Remake got one? Remake's demo came out a month and a week before release and Rebirth is a month and 5 days away so we are already passed the window of when Remake's demo released.... I won't be surprised if we don't get a demo, pretty sure SE are not worried about Rebirth not selling.
It's a REQUEL! 🤣
Its a sequel sequel sequel
6:00 can you really call it "honouring" the fans when in the story they are made out to be villains who wish for the "bad ending"/"bad story" to be the future for these characters - and the characters are rejecting that, rejecting that OG FF7 is a good story. the characters are literally fighting for their lives to change things, making us the diehard audience disconnect from the characters we play as. that's disrespectful if anything?
Do we KNOW it’s the bad ending? A lot of conjecture flying around online but nothing concrete.
@@RayCoffman the game literally has Red say "a future that comes about if we FAIL here" - failing would be bad now wouldn't it?
it would be undesirable - to the characters who speak that way.
turning the characters against the OG ending might be Sephiroths doing BUT the scenario was written for this to be the case - the party has been turned against the OG ff7 events. some would consider that disrespectful or a way for the devs to highlight that ending as the BAD one compared to what they're cooking up for the ending of the remake trilogy. essentially saying "when this is all over you guys will see that this ending is so much better than OG ff7s and that warrants us changing things"
and just the notion of antagonising your diehard fans is not conductive to a good relationship with them. So - what is worth doing that? and in regards to "is it the bad ending" what other hints do we have to consider for us to BELIEVE that's what the devs are telling the story as?