i feel like they removed the scene of sam looking for hannah so that she would be more "deserving" of josh's torture. it emphasizes that she knew about the prank and did nothing to stop it or help hannah afterwards. it did feel kinda weird that sam was tortured in the 2015 version despite being pretty much innocent in the prank.
The main question was in the original and in this version aswell for me: Why did Josh decide to torture Chris, Sam and Ash aka the 3 person who had the least part in the prank?. I mean Chris and Josh was wasted when everything happened and in the story (ateast in the remake) we get to know that Chris was innocent (when they find the projector) and from what Beth said I think it was Josh's idea to drink. You are right with the fact that Sam did not warn Hannah but she didn't participate in the prank. I think off sreen she realised that the prank was too much and started to search for Hannah but it was too late. In Ash's case: she joined the others in the prank but didn't have a big part, she just hid in the closet. So all together why these three? If he dediced to do this with Mike, Em and Jess, then I would say nothing but they were sent away from the events and got away 'scratch free'.
Nah it wasnt weird, she was targeted because of that. IMO Josh was acting out his worst self desteuctive tendencies by punishing his best friends and by extension himself. Both Sam and Chris weren't directly related to the prank, but they were closest to Josh
@@kristofnagy8950because he was self destructive and ultimately blaming himself. He was passed out during the prank and couldn't help, both Sam and Chris didnt take part in the prank but they couldnt stop it either. By punishing and pushing away the people closest to him, he's also punishing himself.
I feel like the gang scribbling on Chris' face is actually really important, because it establishes that these friends have ranked each other before, and Beth's reaction when she sees Chris isn't negative, showing that in general they probably view the pranks as lighthearted fun. It puts the big prank in a little more context and shows how easily they could have gone too far because they already prank each other a lot
Actually yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Gives context to why Matt and Ashley's faces fall so fast, and Mike's apologizing as well. Plus also Josh's actions too, even though I think he knows what he was doing was completely wrong.
The prank was too cruel, and Hannah is more sensitive than the others. If they pranked Emily or Sam they probably would've got angry and plotted revenge, but Hannah got heartbroken.
I agree, but it also goes to show how neglecting his mental health would lead to his demise no matter what (I’m NOT disagreeing with you, just to clarify)
I don't know. I kinda like it when a story has no really good end. That bitter pill that no matter what you do you can't save him makes it way more memorable.
I played the remake, and to me, it seems that Jessica was the one who came up with the idea of the prank, her scene spying on Hannah, then alerting Emily and then coming up with a "plan" to look out for her "girl" (ironic since she will eventually steal her man anyway)
@@jassimhamid2808mike and emily were dating in thr prologue, they made it clear. we also see jess flirting with mike as emily's telling everyone where to hide. once she sees jess she shoos her away
6:16 I agree that’s it’s just Mike’s personality, even when he’s exploring on his own he is throwing out quips to himself. As for the hand holding, the kids have just been though hell,holding each other for reassurance is to be expected
I think they're trying to play up them being close as friends so Mike can appear in the sequel to help Sam out later. Seems like they're definitely angling for a sequel now and having Sam as a main focus so it makes sense if at least one of the other Until Dawn characters is either in it or cameos and Mike is an obvious choice
@@kbwolfe9491 Agreed. Especially since during the game we spend the most time with Mike and Sam, neither one of them can actually die until close to the end.
The scene with Ashley opening the door could have been a three-way outcome, like how Jessica's is with Mike. If you remember, if your relationship with Jess is incredibly high, she is fiesty and willing to "make out" with you. If it's medium, she is reluctant and just takes her jacket off but eventually makes out with you. If it's low, she insults you, keeps all of her clothes on, and gives you a pity cuddle. In this remake, Ashley could have worked the same. If your relationship with her, as Chris, was high, she lets you in. If you try to shoot her, she hesitates but tries to save you, as long as your relationship up to that point is high. If your relationship was already low AND you try to shoot her, she lets you die.
@@malcolmmilk i agree! that’s an AWESOME idea! another thought: a lot of controversy originally stemmed from the fact that if you point the gun at yourself initially as Chris, Ashley BEGS you to shoot her instead. then, if you do, it’s the same result as if she plead for you not to. i’ve seen some people suggest it would’ve been cool if they kept the original scene for if you try to shoot her outright, but instead have this new scene for if she begs you to shoot her first-I feel like she’d be a LOT more conflicted in that sort of situation so this response would make sense!!!!!
I totally second this. I’ve always thought maybe it’s a decision or a qte if it’s in that middle of the road option where she’s hesitant. Part of me thought it would be interesting if they changed it from her being there and not opening if you shot her, to her simply just going to the basement and not coming to check on him. No ones there to let him in, so they assume quickly Chris and the stranger didn’t make it back.
@@scottsmith3804 It seems unlikely that no one would wait up there when the doors are locked but add giving Chris the key and him dropping it while running and yeah it makes sense she wouldn’t wait for him
THAT would’ve been an excellent way to fix it. She even fucking SAYS “Chris, shoot me instead” AND IF HE DOES SHE FUCKING LEAVES HIM TO DIE?! I WAS PISSED! ….lmao guess who found this out the hard way in 2015.
I personally think that the reason Sam doesn't chase Hannah is to actually give Josh a reason to prank her cause the original game it didn't make sense to me why Sam was a target when she did the most to help
It's pretty simple. Josh only targeted the ones he cared the most about, Chris and Sam, Chris being his bro and Sam his crush (and also his sister's best friend). Sure he targeted Ashley but she was "collateral damage" for Chris, proving again that he never was acting out of revenge, though it does seem very cathartic to him to confront Ashley about the prank, probably to trigger reactions. As for Sam he was testing her, assuming they got closer after the tragic event about his sisters, it makes sense that he'd "knew" what could potentially make her react: his own death. That's what a psychotic behavior is. He also makes sure to get the rest of the group as far away as possible, by stealing Emily's bag and by sending Mike and Jessica in the cabin. The new intro just confirms that Sam knew about the prank all along and did nothing until it was too late, it was the same in the original but more confusing. Sam being a pacifist is a trait the remake wanted to emphasize a bit more. In the end you realize Josh only acted out of good intentions, in his own twisted ways, to help one friend and out of "love" for the other one.
The original Devs from Supermassive stated years ago that Ashley's reaction to not opening the door for Chris if he shot her is because of a culmination of all the horrific traumatic things she'd gone through over the night. She was so scared she couldn't move. It was NOT because she was being vindictive to Chris for shooting her. Case in point: If, in the OG game Chris shoots her but you lose the QTES to get back to the door and get caught by the creature, Chris's head rolls over to the door and Ashley will see it and break down in tears before needing to be lead away from the door by Mike again due to the culmination of everything she's been through over the course of the night. The change Ballistic Moon made in the remake is in my opinion much better. Ashley is further from the door, pacing and lost in thought because of all the events she's been through in the night. She doesn't open the door because she's still in this new version wrapped up in her own trauma preventing her from both hearing Chris at the door, and reaching it in time to save his life. Which better conveys in line with Supermassive's original intention of the scene: she was a traumatized teenage girl, not a vindictive, petty psycho bitch like the fandom like to portray her as for 9 years. Even the trophy names changes from Ashley Snaps and Nightmare on Ash Street, to better convey the story that was originally intended to be told with those scenes.
Yeah, unfortunately with the character model limitations, she doesn’t come across as freezing from him banging on the door but instead comes across as seeing him and walking away The remake is definitely better in that regard. If they had her flinch or cover her ears when he arrived then maybe the original intent could have been portrayed as well
Definitely much better. Ashley in the original was made into a very bad person out of nowhere , making her vindictive and awful. Changing it makes her actions much more understandable. I also wish they would have changed it so that she doesn't lock him out if she begs him to shoot her instead, though I guess, since she isn't opening the door due to freezing up this time rather than out of vengence it's more acceptable that she still wouldn't do anything in time. Definitely a good change, now I can like Ashley's character a lot more and I think it jells with what they wanted to convey her as in the first place. She was completely cold and uncaring after killing him in the original but she's upset in the remake and we know she's bad under pressure so that makes more sense.
They stated in the Live Halloween Broadcast: Until Dawn Developer Q&A livestream in Twitch that Ashley letting Chris die was an intentional decision on her end.
They also "changed" Emily's death scene, if she's shot by Mike. They made the scene more intense and dramatic. You can even see Emily crying. In the original, Mike shoots her immediately.
from the start and from the original game it was jess's idea to start the prank, and she was the one who orchestrated it with letter and all. Emily just help hid everyone and put them in place, to set up the prank that jess started
A clarification on the Sam in the prologue point. Sam looking for Hannah in the original was strange to me, as it doesnt make too much sense how she doesnt find her or cross paths, particularly since she could have just waited near the guestroom for Hannah to turn up. But more importantly it adds a small flaw to an otherwise flawless character, Sam failing to intervene with Hannah in time lead to the events a year later. Something that maybe stays with her.
Yeah, in the remake when she comes running in it feels like she just decided she was going to stop it at that moment and was too late. Even if she went to the main room first then she’d find Beth and say they need to find Hannah then the next logical place is her room. Even in a big house like this, when no one else is talking it shouldn’t be too hard to hear someone calling your name in the hallway
I liked how they gave Sam the change of not looking for Hannah. It finally gave Sam a notable flaw, that of course being Sam’s overly passiveness (considering how she was written to basically be perfect)
I thought the original heavily hinted that the prank was Jess's idea, because after Sam asked "don't you guys think this is a little cruel?" Jess said something like "She's been making eyes at Mike for months! I'm just looking out for my girl Em," which also later made it ironic that Jess and Mike dated and Emily and Jess fought each other in the lodge
I think it was far better than way. It's too obvious in the remake imo. It was def orchestrated by Jess but it felt more like a group prank in the OG and it doesn't feel like that as much in the remake with Emily's planning. It also felt weird to me that Emily was the one doing the actual setup of the prank (what little there was) when it's not even her prank.
I played the remake and when I was playing Mike in the sanatorium in Chapter 9 or 10, I failed a QTE and it lead to Mike getting caught by the Wendigo, Jess waking up early and Sam going to the sanatorium. When the game transitioned to Sam, I was in a different location which was the outside of the sanatorium and when Sam walked inside, she saw Mike and saves him there. They both ran to the exit and Mike shoots the gas cans to set the place on fire. I didn’t expect this at all and was really surprised.
Yeah no this isn't anything new or added in the remake. As Mike if you fail to escape the sanitorium, Sam will go there to find him. If he escapes, Sam will encounter him on her way before she can make It outside, because Mike will run in. This was in the original.
@@DarkBobby Haha lol fair, I play it a lot. It's because you can't kill Mike or Sam until chapter 10 and it happens in chapter 9. So Mike can't die no matter what and Sam will save him no matter what.
the ashley change was HUGE!!!!! i remember loving her character so much but then that happened and she just left chris to die like? that aint ashley fr. this makes soooo much more sense, like a hopeless romantic or smth
To me, I don't think Hannah is **that** innocent either. She knew that Emily and Mike were together at that time but still keep going on. But I still don't like Emily lmaooo
Good news! 2nd game is unofficially announced by one of the producers✨ it has been worked on and the remake just made a path for the second one. Since we get to see Josh’s Alive and Sam being troubled. I am so hooked again after all these years😤
I like the fact that Sam doesn't try to find Hannah to warn her in the remake because it makes for interesting character development for her. She goes from being hesitant to do what she thinks is right (stopping the prank), to actively contributing to the plot (helping Mike defeat the Wendigos at the end, for example). She wasn't able to prevent the tragedy of Hannah and Beth's death, but in the end, she managed to help her other friends survive another tragedy.
8:44 Besides showing remorse, just make sure no one is dead before chapter 9 as their bodies hanging will lead to him having great guilt which also lead to him losing his sanity over it.
hmm, so do you think that it’s just everyone living that gets that remorseful “I’m so sorry” dialogue to appear? or do you think there are other factors throughout the game?
@@danisland no, they mean that other than choosing the i'm sorry option ALL characters must be alive when you find him with Sam and Mike. Those are the 2 requirements to have him live
@@danisland I thought that prompt appears no matter what in the therapy session. If not, then I would guess it has to do with if he punched Ashley and if Sam figured out his identity because she addresses it as a cry for help
The remake made it more obvious that Jessica was the one to instigate the prank, not Emily. It was in the original but quickly forgotten, leading most people to just hate Emily. Furthermore, the remake does have Sam search for Hannah, we just don't see it directly. When she barges into the room, it's obvious that she was searching for Hannah. However I do like that you clarify that the Josh lives ending is as a full human. The VR sequel has its endings impacting his fate thus sealing it. So technically, it's not done if he doesn't die at Hannah's hands. I like how it doesn't comtradict that game and lives alongside the Wendigo Josh ending. It only changed how soon he's found!
i thought it was pretty clear who orchestrated the prank in the first place. Jessica. one particular line stands out easily during all the banter just before the prank. Jessica: "Im just looking out for my girl Em." this 100% leads me to believe that while Emily was supposed to be the beneficiary of the prank, it was only done in her honor by Jessica. which would explain why in the post prank part of the game emily and jessica seemed to be intentionally distancing themselves from each other at best and actively hostile at worst. because if my supposed best friend pulled a prank in my honor and it lead to the death of a person id be pretty pissed at them for making me a murderer by proxxy. and jessica on the other hand would feel betrayed by emily seemingly shirking the blame on a prank she seemingly went along with and letting her take the whole fall for it. it all fit so perfectly. and then the remake changed it. so now emily is just kinda left being awful without any room for ambiguity or complex character building
i can absolutely see that!!! I did definitely feel like the remake tried to make Emily more of a “villain” in the way they framed everything, you make an awesome point that here!
I think the voice we hear in the epilogue calling out to Sam sounds more like Joshua to be honest. Which would make sense due to her possibly having suffered some PTSD from his psycho act.
At the end of the first game Mike and Sam will have the highest relationship stat with each other so it would make sense to say that maybe something happened after. In the remake, that changed, but like you said, they did add more dialogue and hand holding compared to the original.
What I truly love is how they made Chris actually innocent instead of joining the prank. In until dawn Chris was my favorite because we could probably relate to him (most) at times, being this dorky geek who's a prankster for fun (like "being cloaked and running after you in the basement" before hitting you with a goofy "eeeeeyyyyy") and truly cares for his friends to the point of getting out in the forest with a shotgun to save Josh So to see that he'd know better than to join such an evil prank, they had him asleep/drunk on the couch, drawn on his face, only making him THE MORE relatable and sweet knowing he's truly the friend you'd want by your side in such dark times
@@lesleybaas1885 yeah Chris was innocent like Sam. If you want check out the fandom page for him. They have both story versions on tabs. Also this video shows he was innocent too, remember the image of him passed out with his face drawn on?
@@lesleybaas1885 So fun fact, in the OG script AND OG trailer, it's shown Chris in the closet in on the prank, he was originally going to be involved and that's why they scraped it. So in the game it explains why Josh decided to put him through a lot
I loved that Ashley had potential to be kinda insidious. It gave her a nice duality, I understand them changing it but it kinda sucks that now shes just an extra girl rather than a nerdy kinda girl that gets tormented all night and kind snaps. Hence the achievements old name "Ashley Snaps" a reference to gingersnaps. If you cant like characters cause "theyre mean and not nice!" I think you need to reevaluate your ability to dissect a character
@@HorizonTide i also feel like they tried to make Emily a lot more antagonistic overall. like they just want Ashley to be flawless and Emily to be unlikable, almost 😅
@@danisland yea them angling Emily as the one josh has to choose to "dislike" in his session and making her look like the ringleader when it was literally Jess who said she set it up to "watch her girl, Ems back" because "Hannah had been flirting with Mike all night" and like.... Hannah didn't deserve her fate by any stretch but she kinda did knowingly flirt and try to seduce a guy one of her friends was dating.... Then in the whole lodge choose to run franticly into the mountain woods at night. So idk I love the nuanced stance on like everything in the game but they retconned Jess being the one who orchestrated it to Emily and then made Ashley reduced to literally just Chris's crush/girlfriend
@@HorizonTide How is ashley reduced to "just being chris' crush" just because she isnt vengeful in the remake? Sure it makes her a little less interesting with this new change but thats such a harsh take to have on her ☹ she still has all her moments and choices that made her fun the first time. put some respect on my girl 😔
@@enormastits3902 hey hey hey I love Ashley. I just liked that she had a dark side. She was the only one push through two different saw traps. She was tormented and in the beginning she's just a quiet girl and now she's just the good one all the way through. Compared to bitches Emily and Jess(who I love) and Sam who's main character
It also fit with her being the only character who can never express regret over the prank and will even get annoyed when Chris expresses guilt. Plus no one can tell me they didn't change it bc of misogyny: guys were super mad that she would dare to be traumatized (or even flat out failed to see that she was). So they really needed to spell it out for some dudebro gamers
It’s interesting that they made the prank out as though it was mainly Emily that orchestrated the prank, since it’s made clear that this whole thing seems to be Jessica’s idea in the original. “Beth’s been making moves on him. I’m just looking out for my girl, Em.” - Jessica
I’m kinda mad that they removed Ashley dark side away. I thought it was really cool. That their was a secret player character who has a dark side. It was really cool that it was Ashley since you wouldn’t expect her to be that dark character.
Idk if it’s them “removing” and more like them clarifying what they actually meant to do in the first game 😂😅 I always thought that it 100% looked like Ashley leaving Chris to die on purpose, but there have been some ppl saying that it seemed intended more like she was actually in shock? Idk if the devs themselves have actually said which one it was meant to be but even before the remake came out I’ve seen people saying this so
@@theYammy Nah, it was removing. Ashley deliberately chose not to save Chris in the original game. Changing it so she was considering not saving him and then deciding at the last minute is clearly a completely different thought process.
@@theYammy Also Ashley was always kind of shady in the original game. She was a part of the prank and if you choose to make her remorseful, her stats go down. She tries to abandon Sam more than once. She tries to get Emily killed because of an assumption and self preservation. And she acts vengeful toward Chris if he doesn’t save her. So Im pretty sure the original intention of her character was always to have a dark side, and they decided against it later.
@@pathetic2399 eh, i never really thought of her having a dark side? i just thought she was a whiny, easily stressed out teenager who's been through a VERY stressful and traumatizing night. i'm not saying that to absolve her of anything (like chris's death, because like i said, i do think it looked like it was on purpose but idk,) but that I think she was already a flawed person at the beginning of the night (as all of the characters are), and the stress of the events of it pushed her into extremes. like the thing with the prank is indeed her being shady and like....the word is lost to me rn but like it's just a minor character flaw to me, not really a "dark side". Similar to the whole bite thing with Emily? that was her freaking out and jumping to conclusions because she freaks out easily. It's not her being intentionally malicious which is what signals more of a dark side (to me), but it is another example of her being selfish and more worried about herself and others. idk if that makes sense but we can agree to disagree, that's just how i've perceived her: a selfish coward.
I feel like it’s understated that Hannah isn’t blameless in the whole prank situation. The fact the whole group knows she has a crush on mike means she isn’t subtle about the fact she’s down bad for her friends boyfriend. Even if Emily and Hannah aren’t friends it’s still so not cool to try and make the moves on the boyfriend of a member of your friend group.
The upsetting thing with Ashley too is that she tells Chris to shoot her and then kills him for choosing her. You really have to not be paying attention to shoot Ashley, but I feel like she’s too encouraging in the first to choose to kill him
2:08-2:12 that was me and my best friend in high school lool. We played a bit of Until Dawn and we would both yell "that's you!" "shut up that is not me" whenever Emily or Chris was on screen lmao.
I love that they made Ashley try to save him. Honestly her betraying us is so out of character for her from how she acts and it was kind of random and unexpected. Still a cool twist but her at least trying seems more likely for her characteristics.
Now she just looks like an idiot that doesn't know when to react or how it was pretty stupid and looked so out of place. The original consequence was perfect. This one makes no sense. And if you do it right, she will save Chris in the original
i’ve always been an Ashley lover & felt like parts of the fandom took it too far whenever they’d say she’s sociopathic or evil bc of her initial reaction. because even that I feel like could’ve been justified as a trauma response. but yeah, I like this one a LOT better!
@@danisland but the scene before where she is like. Nooo Chris dont shoot yourself let me choose, shoot me. into uh you shot me i dont open the door for you now that will make you learn rubbed me the wrong way.
Hannah didn't deserve to die of course but too many people in the fanbase gloss over her intent to sleep with her friend's boyfriend. The audacity to invite them to her lodge and plan on getting with Mike even before he sent that letter is awful. I think she 100% deserved to be pranked though filming it was excessive. She was apparently so down bad for him it was obvious to the entire group and we see all these signs of her obsession throughout the game that I'm wondering if anyone in the group had approached her about it before. No one could forsee her doing something stupid like running out into a blizzard out of embarassment/shame and obviously their intent wasn't to end up with her dead but that was the unfortunate result. I feel sorry for her dying but I don't feel sorry for the initial prank, that's right and proper comeuppance for trying to steal your friend's significant other.
I figured the ending Sam Epilogue was her cutting herself with a “J” for Josh. They teased a bit of a romance arc when she’s talking about how close they had gotten after Beth and Hannah went missing. Josh would always confide in her, she stated. I think this would be an AMAZING tease in to another game. I agree that it does sound like Dr Hill calling out for Sam in the epilogue. Originally I thought it was Josh whispering to her as if he wanted her to join him. Either in death or as a wendigo as well. But I like the idea of it being Dr Hill instead for a few reasons. One, it could show that Sam either knew about, or had met, the real Dr Hill when Josh was seeing him. That would show how close Sam and Josh really had been. However, it would also be interesting if it’s showing how SHE is also going a bit mental after all that time. She looks to be self medicating with the empty pill bottles and possible cutting. She also looks like she’s driving herself a little crazy with the possible obsession over myths and legends with the book on the nightstand. Maybe her descent into her own madness manifests into Dr Hill again, like it had done for Josh. Not sure how another game would go as far as storyline. But maybe Sam finds her own myth to have latch on to her. Though the game developers seem particularly fixated on Wendigos, considering how The Quarry also goes that route. Or, Sam is trying to find a cure for Josh who ended up a wendigo, and that is the canon ending to tie into this idea of a sequel. Maybe she finds another spot that has them rumored to be around and integrated with another group of people also trying to figure it all out. Would be interesting to mix the groups from her origin and The Quarry people. Food for thought.
HELL no. Anything with Sam and JOSH? Bleh, who sees the chemistry? I never even saw their chemistry as ROMANTIC. Why can't we just see people as friends being there for each other sometimes? Sam seemed like she wanted to be there for JOSH as a FRIEND, in my opinion, and I def think he liked her, but her liking him back? Ehhhh, pass. He steals her clothes, knocks her out, chases her, terrifies her, ties her up, he can literally drug her. And people want more of them? No.
I kiiinda like the Ashley change concerning Chris death and now it being more of hesitation of letting danger in and just actively letting Chris die. That choice was always kinda weird for me because it seemed like out of left field and even if Ashley had a secret dark side which could be cool, it was never even built more upon in any other scene in the game, just at that moment, which is why I kinda prefer this because now it does not seem like a weird writing choice for death and drama for the sake of death and drama.
8:36 He's Actually conflicted About Eating the Body And Yes He's Still Struggling with Dr. Hill as He's Clearly Looking At Victor's Body (The Stranger)
I always knew Emily led the prank, but can we just talk about how Emily’s best friend: Jess, a year later, got qith Mike, Emily’s ex and the reason she did the prank, like the bestfriends literally did the prank to stop Hannah from trying to make a move on Mike, yet Jess literally got with Mike not even a year later
@@cake94309 Nope I just never interacted with the fan base😅 But you’re right, I watched it in 2018-2019 when I was 7-9 years olf because I didn’t have the ability to before that, I never knew this was discussed😅😅
@AnimatingOwl that explains it lol I'm sorry for coming across rude. Basically from day one the weird Jess, Emily and Mike love triangle has been hot topic. Everyone at the time was like wtf Jess you're meant to be Emily's friend. Crazy thing is people do this in real life so I think that's why people got into their love story drama so much
I think Ashley hesitating to save Chris is enough. Just leaving him to die is too harsh given the shared history they should have. She has every right to be angry that he chose to save himself over her, but that doesn’t justify leaving him to die when she could intervene and then might survive too
He did have plans. He wanted Mike and Jess alone at the other cabin because they weren't apart of his prank, from my understanding. I have no idea why, but he's hellbent on sending them both away so he can deal with everyone else.
Outside of any other explanation, Sam's epilogue could imply that she was cursed, in the og game the hunter's journal entries state the reason he was more keen to trap the Wendigo and lock them in the asylym and not resort to killing them was he was sure if they were killed, the spirits would just find another host and turn them into Wendigo maybe compel them to eat flesh and be turned. it's how I assumed Josh was turned in the original game's ending. Same for his sister as her being trapped and turned follows the hunter executing the Wendigo chasing them.
On point five I always interpreted her as finding Hannah to start the prank, and I've seen videos suggesting that other people did as well. So they may have excluded that bit to show that she didn't want to be a part of it AT ALL. Had they instead had her say "Hannah! Where are you!?" or "Hannah!? I need to tell you something!" then I don't think there would have been any confusion.
I also noticed they make it where Jessica says something new after she scares Mike with the deer head after she goes missing, but it feels half assed, since it sounds a little unnatural with the other dialogue from the original game. I really wish they redone Emily and Jessica’s fight, because I really dislike how they dance around why they are mad at each other; Mike dating Jessica not long after the break up with Emily, when only a year ago she was on Emily’s side with the prank and lead to what happened. Also don’t get why it’s all slut this, whore that, or why Emily says, “Are you trying to swallow his face whole?” When they aren’t even kissing. I think I have a better scenario: Everyone is in the lodge, except Emily. Mike and Jessica kiss right as Emily enters. Emily then says, “Oh wow, loving having my leftovers huh?” Jessica whips her head back at Emily with a nasty glare. “At least I’m not some prudish hag!” Jessica quips back. Emily moves in closer and Jessica stands up, Mike trying to pull her back. “Jess, don’t!” Jessica scoffs. “What? I’m just defending myself…I don’t need other to fight my battles!” Emily rolls her eyes and laughs. “Yeah right, your nothing but a scared little whore!” Jessica and Emily go at each other and both Mike and Matt hold them back (unless Emily is seen hugging Mike by Matt, he’ll let her go at Jessica, who is pulled away by Mike and he stands between them). Josh tells them to knock it off and tells Jessica and Mike that the cabin might need some work to be in working condition for them and they should go ahead. Emily then quips, “Out to the stable with you, heifer!” And as they leave, Jessica quips again, “Anywhere without that crackhead!” Which makes Emily growl. Maybe not as good as I want it to be either, but something that would tell the audience why they are no longer friends and why Emily comes in all hostile. I also wish Emily and Jessica meet in the mines and trying to escape a wendigo in mines, if Emily helps Jessica, Jessica can stop Emily from being bite, but if she doesn’t, she gets bite. I also wish Matt got a little section in the caves too.
I honestly don’t think ashley was ever meant to be vengeful or vindictive. I think it was supposed to be that she froze up, and the execution failed to convey that, so they made her indecision/paralysis more obvious here
Actually the developers already confirmed otherwise. That's why the trophy for shooting her is called "fatal grudge", she treats him coldly afterwards after he shoots her, and the description for "ashley snaps" the trophy for her not letting him in is she "let him die." Also Ashley is dismissive of his death. The intention was she wanted him dead, hence why she walks to the door and reaches toward the knob, then walks back farther from Chris, all the while looking at him with a stone cold face even as he dies. If Chris dies and does not make it to the lodge, she says "I'm sorry", an apology for what she was about to do, before walking away, clearly not that affected by it, as opposed to the other version where she has to be helped up and pulled away by Mike.
I personally prefer the original over the remake as I'm not a fan of some of the changes especially changing the score and removing the O' Death intro completely. Not to mention the old game runs better than the remake. However I'm still excited for the sequel that the epilogue is setting up. Supposedly the sequel is being done by Firesprite and Sam will be the main female character. The voice is absolutely Dr. Hill as the actor pretty much confirmed he will be in the sequel in one of his post on Instagram. The remake adding a possible romantic connection between Sam and Mike does seem interesting as its possible that Firesprite plans for them to be a couple in the sequel. Sam always seemed like the main female lead and Mike the main male lead of the first game. Great video hope you do more videos on Until Dawn since its getting a movie adaption and a video game sequel.
@avryantoinette It's a rumor. This Remake is already a different studio from the OG too. Besides Sony has handed off sequels to several of their games to other studios.
Guys, Josh decided to target Sam is because of his home had cameras or (in the backstory) maybe he heard from the police reports (which ofc logically after the incident, they would investigate any witness) so that is why he decided to make a plan to lure them. To make that not seems like a trap and leave no trace, he had to invite Chris and everyone else.
CORPSE PARTY MUSIC??? DONT THINK I MISSED THAT I was SO confused I haven't heard that music used in a video before, I thought I must've left the game open when I was playing it earlier today hahaha
I like that they fully highlight that Sam barely did anything to stop the prank, even in the original all she did was half heartedly chastise them because the prank was "a little mean", and then dragged her feet looking for Hannah only to be too late and say hey sorry it was just a stupid prank in a way that you knew she knew she f'd up. But that felt a little vague because people think that her going to look for Hannah excuses her sitting there while they wrote the note and planned everything out, so here in the remake they fully expose that she did nothing to stop the prank, didn't go WITH Beth to look for Hannah and then acted genuinely confused Josh went after her too. All the times she said she spoke to him after the incident did it never come up like hey I'm sorry we let the prank get out of hand. I didn't agree with it and should have done more to stop it. The only one who even seems to think along those lines was Ashley of all people
Hey @danisland for the scene in number 7, I never saw that clip 6:11 where Sam and Mike are holding hands in a frontal view. Is this a new scene added to the remake because I saw the ending and it only shows the back angle of them holding hands. This remake keeps on surprising me every time!
so because the game was remade using a new game engine & ported to PC, people have figured out how to use mods to “freecam” scenes in the game-essentially you can view various moments and scenes from different angles using the mod! I’ve been thinking about uploading a tutorial if it’s anything you’d be interested in!!!
I think in the Josh is alive ending. The flashlight were the 2 rescuers we saw in the ending where Josh becomes a wendigo. The 7 main characters we play as would probably avoid going in the mines because many of them have seen what it's in there and even if some of them didn't they faced some danger on the mountains. It has to be the unnamed rescuers.
I feel like Jessica orchestrated the prank instead of Emily both games which is why Jessica gets the most brutal and violent death and Mike/Sam gets the least painful it’s by how much they were in on the prank
The rest of the fanbase: "Josh can live!" Me remembering that likely if anyone died that night it was because of Josh's prank separating everyone : "if he dies he dies"
For me,i think we get a new creature feature for the next sequel..sam probably looking for another place that has a curse like Washington mountain,and she try to help those who are needed and gets an unknown mark
Have you thought about how different characters got more or less painful deaths depending on what part in the prank? Chris that was asleep got just his head chopped of but emily that had a big part in the prank got her eyes stabbed.
I don't think that's how it works. Don't get me wrong, you aren't entirely wrong with that thought, but I don't think those two examples apply to it. Wendigo Hannah will just kill anyone anyway she can. She can gogue out Ashley's eyes too, and detach her head. So those examples aren't specific for those characters only. However she does drag Jess through the snow and puts her through the worst, probably because she started the prank. She doesn't hurt Mike in the water because she recognized him as her crush. But there are points where she'll just kill with no meaning behind it.
One change... or "add" I guess... you missed I guess was the add of the new "hunger" totems. As I already played the original Until dawn before, and then played this one, my mouth dropped wide open when I suddenly picked up a totem "I never noticed before", and saw *"dirty hands on the ground, groaning, crawling towards a grave"*
That epilogue with Sam was the most interesting to me. I'm assuming they're hinting at some type of a sequel where she'll be the main focal point of the story, which will be even more interesting if Josh is alive. She seems to (understandably) struggle with mental health issues after everything that went down given the meds next to her (and was the scar on her forearm meant to indicate an overdose attempt?). And I think she particularly struggled to cope with everything that happened to Josh (she probably assumed he died even if he actually survived) since at some point she tells the police she "thought they had a connection" and that he would often confide in her. Anyway, excited to see that there might be a new game centered around her, she's probably my fav UD character.
the game devs have said before specifically that ashley was NOT being vengeful by not opening the door in the original, she was traumatized by the events of the night including her crush pointing a gun at her and pulling the trigger, and froze up. please don't spread misinformation that's been debunked plenty of times
i personally always interpreted Ash’s initial reaction as a trauma response as well! but a lot of the community didn’t see it that way. my point there was just that in the remake, i think it’s a LOT harder to interpret that scene as her being vengeful. to me it seems like the creators made this change so that it’d be way harder for people to interpret her reaction as deliberate malice, thus less people would see her as “secretly a bad person” - that’s what I was trying to get at there 😌
I can't be the only one that originally thought that Sam was calling Hannah to lure her into the prank? Looking back, it doesn't make sense considering that Hannah was given the letter and also assumed that she was alone with Mike. But I honestly never realized that Sam was trying to warn Hannah before watching this video. It always stuck me as odd that Sam would participate in the prank lol.
Adding more actual content to this remake was a genius, although obvious move. If it didn't have more endings, scenes or at least more dialogue, then there'd be no point in "remaking" a PS4 game that's still totally playable by today's standards.
Honestly the changes made the whole thing way more immersive. The change from sam not chasing made it so she deserved being traumatized by josh. And a bit more depressing and sad. They also turned up emily’s bitchiness
"Nobody likes cold buns... Although yours are great... eh- jus- nervermind." - Michael Munroe 2024 5:51 I'm a fan of the "couple" or better said... this ship between Mike and Sam, from the beginning of the original game I already loved them lol, I love their dynamic despite being short, who knows, maybe a sequel with them? I don't know, but it would be cool.
I feel like him and Sam are platonic but they can banter/flirt like that with no issue. Like they know where they stand with each other but they like teasing each other 😅 Having them be a couple would be interesting tho
FINALLY someone agrees. I never understood the people who ship Sam x Josh. He literally drugs her, ties her up, steals her clothes, stalks and tortures and terrifies her. Just because Sam says "I thought we had a connection" people think AW so romantic and sad. No. I see it as a friendly thing, she was there for him as friends. Sure I do think Josh liked Sam romantically but I can't see Sam liking him back after everything he put her through. Mike saves Sam, Sam saves Mike, if Mike sees Jess's head (If you killed her) She'll grab his arm to guide him through the door, she spends half of chapter 9 trying to find and warn Mike, even telling the others "I've got to get Mike, with you or without you" and if Mike dies in the lodge she blames herself, confessing, "He saved me". Also if Sam doesn't lock the door against the Wendigos OR follows Mike, he runs back to her to get her away, saving her. Def a better fan than Sam and Josh. I'm glad they added the flirty line.
1:36. I don't understand why people still think that Hannah is adorable. She literally made moves on someone else's boyfriend. How is this adorable? Like.. what's wrong with people?
For number 3 in the previous game and even in this it's implied Jess came up with the idea. In the remake looks like Emily just situated everyone to their hiding positions.
To get the Josh living ending there are 2 main factors needed: -First you have to choose you're sorry in the final Dr Hill scene -Then by the time you find him with Sam and Mike ALL characters must be alive. If he sees anyone's body other than the flamethrower guy hanging in the cave he won't be able to forgive himself and will give in to the wendigo spirit. Doesn't matter if any characters die after that scene though
Nah I ship and see it personally. At the end of the game (Forgot if it was the remake or OG, its one of them) Her relationship bar with him is FULL. (If they're both alive at the end), he saves her over and over and she saves him. She even comments saying "And he saved me... so its my fault that he died," How did she dislike him after the prank? He didn't do anything to Hannah btw, blame Jess for that. Sam never implied hatred toward Mike. She even spends majority of chapter 9 trying to find Mike to warn him. Even telling the others "I have to get Mike... With or without you" so no yeah, she does not "doesn't really like Mike"
Idea for an Until dawn 2. Sam goes back to lodge area to figure out what that curse scar is and to make sure there are no more Wendigos. So she finds the dead flamethrower guy and takes his stuff. But later she finds a group of people who decided to go to the mountain(this is so you can keep like until dawn and have different endings) and now Josh will be replaced with sam in the Dr. Hill scenes
I don't like they changed Ashleys revenge of not opening the door By letting her have this reaction shows how your choices matter you choose to shoot her as Chris so she chooses to let Chris die... Chris didn't know they were blanks he was choosing to kill her! She chooses to do the same... Maybe if she hesitates to open it. It would have been better but having her just react as if nothing happened. Kinda weak
Thanks for this vid. Great job! 👍 So I actually really like a lot of the re-worked prologue, but I think its better that the prank doesn't have a ringleader, so that everyone can feel equally guilty. If it's all on Emily, then it would make more sense for the others in their guilt, to cut her off as a friend, or at the very least, say it was her idea when explaining it to Josh- Who would then make her the main focus of his revenge, (kind of like how he isolates Jess and Mike because he's got plans for them later). But instead his main targets are Chris and Ashley for some reason, while Emily is in peril more out of happenstance, than Josh's mechanations. And on the topic of Chris and Ashley, I dislike the Ashley change because her heel turn is a long game consequence from your choice, and for gameplay there should be MORE of that, not less! Besides, her hidden dark side actually illuminates how someone so sweet would be in on a prank so cruel. Now it makes no sense she wasn't Team Sam when it came to humiliating Hannah.
I don't think that Mike would really be into Sam that much, I think of it as more playful than any romance...this is a man who would run through a snow storm with a loaded rifle, without a coat and shoes, hopping over multiple obstacles, running faster than he probably ever had before, just to save Jessica, his girlfriend...that man is committed and loyal.
I haven't seen the new footage yet, but in the original I always thought Emily & Jessica planned the prank because of the dialogue.... My head-cannon was Jess went to Emily and shit-talked Hannah and her obvious obsession with Mike and encouraged Emily to humiliate her!! I can't wait to watch all the new gameplay, the new graphics look amazing!!
Not a fan of the change to Ashley intentionally not letting Chris in after he aims the gun at her. True, her decision to lock him out doesn’t make sense if Chris aims at her AFTER she pleads with him, but then just change the outcome there. Make it an aim first ending, more rare but also satisfying to play out. As other commenters have said, it could have been a three-way branch as well. And yes, this change does still work for Ashley’s character-she’s troubled because of what Chris did but ultimately doesn’t want him killed. But it is disappointing that they removed the element of someone in the friend group having a dark side / snapping under the stress.
I have two things I think should have stayed true to the original, I think the prank should have been kept a group effort I mean you don't need more reason to hate Emily, feel free to disagree but I think Ashley keeping the door closed should stay something I liked about the game is that there's like one? Maybe two characters that aren't totally awful that don't die heh and it at first seemed like Ashley was one of the few that was decent until that moment, oh and even more reason to keep the prank a group effort if they had kept that it would make more sense for Sam to maybe not try too hard to fight back against the entire group if she only has to go against Emily that's one thing but going against everyone I could see that making her stay uninvolved.
The Until Dawn Remake is a Remake, which doesn't work for me. Yes, we get more insights in Hannah and Beth and how Hannah turns. Yes, we get an extra ending Yea, Ashley's character got redeemed. But 90% of this remakes is still identical to the original version. This remake was the opportunity to give characters like Jessica and Matt more screentime. What were they doing in the mines? How did Matt move in the mines? I know that Jessica was unconscious in the original version and the remake version, if Mike is fast enough to see her. I could forgive this decision in the original version, because the Devs originally intended to k*ll Jess off no matter how you play. The change to have the opportunity to save her came in a late state of development. But the remake was the opportunity to give us more Jess content and to give us more Matt content... but their characters were cut short as well... I really hoped for more desicions or even different ones and not the same playstyle and the same desicions from the original version.
Kinda hate the Emily/Ashley changes lmao they've made it so people's wild misinterpretations in the original - mainly about Emily, obviously - would now "make sense" in the remake...
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i feel like they removed the scene of sam looking for hannah so that she would be more "deserving" of josh's torture. it emphasizes that she knew about the prank and did nothing to stop it or help hannah afterwards. it did feel kinda weird that sam was tortured in the 2015 version despite being pretty much innocent in the prank.
This is exactly what I was thinking !
Yeah I was gonna come into the comments to say the same thing
The main question was in the original and in this version aswell for me: Why did Josh decide to torture Chris, Sam and Ash aka the 3 person who had the least part in the prank?. I mean Chris and Josh was wasted when everything happened and in the story (ateast in the remake) we get to know that Chris was innocent (when they find the projector) and from what Beth said I think it was Josh's idea to drink. You are right with the fact that Sam did not warn Hannah but she didn't participate in the prank. I think off sreen she realised that the prank was too much and started to search for Hannah but it was too late. In Ash's case: she joined the others in the prank but didn't have a big part, she just hid in the closet. So all together why these three? If he dediced to do this with Mike, Em and Jess, then I would say nothing but they were sent away from the events and got away 'scratch free'.
Nah it wasnt weird, she was targeted because of that. IMO Josh was acting out his worst self desteuctive tendencies by punishing his best friends and by extension himself. Both Sam and Chris weren't directly related to the prank, but they were closest to Josh
@@kristofnagy8950because he was self destructive and ultimately blaming himself. He was passed out during the prank and couldn't help, both Sam and Chris didnt take part in the prank but they couldnt stop it either. By punishing and pushing away the people closest to him, he's also punishing himself.
I feel like the gang scribbling on Chris' face is actually really important, because it establishes that these friends have ranked each other before, and Beth's reaction when she sees Chris isn't negative, showing that in general they probably view the pranks as lighthearted fun. It puts the big prank in a little more context and shows how easily they could have gone too far because they already prank each other a lot
AW WAIT I love this perspective!!!!
Omg true!
Actually yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Gives context to why Matt and Ashley's faces fall so fast, and Mike's apologizing as well. Plus also Josh's actions too, even though I think he knows what he was doing was completely wrong.
The prank was too cruel, and Hannah is more sensitive than the others. If they pranked Emily or Sam they probably would've got angry and plotted revenge, but Hannah got heartbroken.
So glad that you can finally save Josh. I was so mad he was the only character you couldn't save out of the main cast
I agree, but it also goes to show how neglecting his mental health would lead to his demise no matter what (I’m NOT disagreeing with you, just to clarify)
I don't know. I kinda like it when a story has no really good end. That bitter pill that no matter what you do you can't save him makes it way more memorable.
I played the remake, and to me, it seems that Jessica was the one who came up with the idea of the prank, her scene spying on Hannah, then alerting Emily and then coming up with a "plan" to look out for her "girl" (ironic since she will eventually steal her man anyway)
no wonder Hannah put Jessica through HELL
which is also how it was portrayed in the original, so the changes probably just made it a little clearer for some people
Steal? She didn't "steal" him. Mike and Emily broke up, and then Mike and Jessica got together. Y'know, it's allowed.
Oh yeah, and Mike was nobody's man at the time. They weren't together when they did the prank anyway.
@@jassimhamid2808mike and emily were dating in thr prologue, they made it clear. we also see jess flirting with mike as emily's telling everyone where to hide. once she sees jess she shoos her away
6:16 I agree that’s it’s just Mike’s personality, even when he’s exploring on his own he is throwing out quips to himself. As for the hand holding, the kids have just been though hell,holding each other for reassurance is to be expected
Agreed, but he’d 100% double down if she flirted jokingly and the girl was receptive
@@selder_7 Yeah he would but probably not at that moment lol
I think they're trying to play up them being close as friends so Mike can appear in the sequel to help Sam out later. Seems like they're definitely angling for a sequel now and having Sam as a main focus so it makes sense if at least one of the other Until Dawn characters is either in it or cameos and Mike is an obvious choice
@@kbwolfe9491 Agreed. Especially since during the game we spend the most time with Mike and Sam, neither one of them can actually die until close to the end.
Fr, me and my friends hold hands with each other after just getting drunk lmao.
The scene with Ashley opening the door could have been a three-way outcome, like how Jessica's is with Mike. If you remember, if your relationship with Jess is incredibly high, she is fiesty and willing to "make out" with you. If it's medium, she is reluctant and just takes her jacket off but eventually makes out with you. If it's low, she insults you, keeps all of her clothes on, and gives you a pity cuddle.
In this remake, Ashley could have worked the same. If your relationship with her, as Chris, was high, she lets you in. If you try to shoot her, she hesitates but tries to save you, as long as your relationship up to that point is high. If your relationship was already low AND you try to shoot her, she lets you die.
@@malcolmmilk i agree! that’s an AWESOME idea!
another thought: a lot of controversy originally stemmed from the fact that if you point the gun at yourself initially as Chris, Ashley BEGS you to shoot her instead. then, if you do, it’s the same result as if she plead for you not to.
i’ve seen some people suggest it would’ve been cool if they kept the original scene for if you try to shoot her outright, but instead have this new scene for if she begs you to shoot her first-I feel like she’d be a LOT more conflicted in that sort of situation so this response would make sense!!!!!
I totally second this. I’ve always thought maybe it’s a decision or a qte if it’s in that middle of the road option where she’s hesitant.
Part of me thought it would be interesting if they changed it from her being there and not opening if you shot her, to her simply just going to the basement and not coming to check on him. No ones there to let him in, so they assume quickly Chris and the stranger didn’t make it back.
@@scottsmith3804 It seems unlikely that no one would wait up there when the doors are locked but add giving Chris the key and him dropping it while running and yeah it makes sense she wouldn’t wait for him
THAT would’ve been an excellent way to fix it. She even fucking SAYS “Chris, shoot me instead” AND IF HE DOES SHE FUCKING LEAVES HIM TO DIE?! I WAS PISSED!
….lmao guess who found this out the hard way in 2015.
I personally think that the reason Sam doesn't chase Hannah is to actually give Josh a reason to prank her cause the original game it didn't make sense to me why Sam was a target when she did the most to help
It's true, but Josh didn't see it. He was blacked out, and I don't think the others came to her defend later.
@piki68 that is also true, maybe she was able to explain herself? I'm not sure tbh 🤔
It's pretty simple. Josh only targeted the ones he cared the most about, Chris and Sam, Chris being his bro and Sam his crush (and also his sister's best friend). Sure he targeted Ashley but she was "collateral damage" for Chris, proving again that he never was acting out of revenge, though it does seem very cathartic to him to confront Ashley about the prank, probably to trigger reactions. As for Sam he was testing her, assuming they got closer after the tragic event about his sisters, it makes sense that he'd "knew" what could potentially make her react: his own death. That's what a psychotic behavior is.
He also makes sure to get the rest of the group as far away as possible, by stealing Emily's bag and by sending Mike and Jessica in the cabin.
The new intro just confirms that Sam knew about the prank all along and did nothing until it was too late, it was the same in the original but more confusing. Sam being a pacifist is a trait the remake wanted to emphasize a bit more.
In the end you realize Josh only acted out of good intentions, in his own twisted ways, to help one friend and out of "love" for the other one.
@@Inblader thank you so much, this helped alot
@@Inbladeryou realized that, i didnt
The original Devs from Supermassive stated years ago that Ashley's reaction to not opening the door for Chris if he shot her is because of a culmination of all the horrific traumatic things she'd gone through over the night. She was so scared she couldn't move. It was NOT because she was being vindictive to Chris for shooting her. Case in point: If, in the OG game Chris shoots her but you lose the QTES to get back to the door and get caught by the creature, Chris's head rolls over to the door and Ashley will see it and break down in tears before needing to be lead away from the door by Mike again due to the culmination of everything she's been through over the course of the night.
The change Ballistic Moon made in the remake is in my opinion much better. Ashley is further from the door, pacing and lost in thought because of all the events she's been through in the night. She doesn't open the door because she's still in this new version wrapped up in her own trauma preventing her from both hearing Chris at the door, and reaching it in time to save his life. Which better conveys in line with Supermassive's original intention of the scene: she was a traumatized teenage girl, not a vindictive, petty psycho bitch like the fandom like to portray her as for 9 years. Even the trophy names changes from Ashley Snaps and Nightmare on Ash Street, to better convey the story that was originally intended to be told with those scenes.
@@paytonavery1995 I completely agree! Love this change.
Yeah, unfortunately with the character model limitations, she doesn’t come across as freezing from him banging on the door but instead comes across as seeing him and walking away
The remake is definitely better in that regard. If they had her flinch or cover her ears when he arrived then maybe the original intent could have been portrayed as well
Definitely much better. Ashley in the original was made into a very bad person out of nowhere , making her vindictive and awful. Changing it makes her actions much more understandable.
I also wish they would have changed it so that she doesn't lock him out if she begs him to shoot her instead, though I guess, since she isn't opening the door due to freezing up this time rather than out of vengence it's more acceptable that she still wouldn't do anything in time.
Definitely a good change, now I can like Ashley's character a lot more and I think it jells with what they wanted to convey her as in the first place. She was completely cold and uncaring after killing him in the original but she's upset in the remake and we know she's bad under pressure so that makes more sense.
They confirmed that Ashley let Chris die intentionally.
It’s here: www.twitch.tv/videos/23196845?t=650s
They stated in the Live Halloween Broadcast: Until Dawn Developer Q&A livestream in Twitch that Ashley letting Chris die was an intentional decision on her end.
They also "changed" Emily's death scene, if she's shot by Mike. They made the scene more intense and dramatic. You can even see Emily crying. In the original, Mike shoots her immediately.
It’s exactly the same in both versions…
from the start and from the original game it was jess's idea to start the prank, and she was the one who orchestrated it with letter and all. Emily just help hid everyone and put them in place, to set up the prank that jess started
I think the extra scene is just designed to showcase Emily's nature as an organiser/manager of others.
Yeah I don’t know how everyone misses this. It seems to be Jessica’s idea from the beginning
@@em-ily1227 She even says that she was just trying to help out her "girl" Em.
A clarification on the Sam in the prologue point. Sam looking for Hannah in the original was strange to me, as it doesnt make too much sense how she doesnt find her or cross paths, particularly since she could have just waited near the guestroom for Hannah to turn up. But more importantly it adds a small flaw to an otherwise flawless character, Sam failing to intervene with Hannah in time lead to the events a year later. Something that maybe stays with her.
Yeah, in the remake when she comes running in it feels like she just decided she was going to stop it at that moment and was too late. Even if she went to the main room first then she’d find Beth and say they need to find Hannah then the next logical place is her room. Even in a big house like this, when no one else is talking it shouldn’t be too hard to hear someone calling your name in the hallway
I felt like that's why it was changed too.
Jess is actually the one who orchestrated the prank both times.
I liked how they gave Sam the change of not looking for Hannah. It finally gave Sam a notable flaw, that of course being Sam’s overly passiveness (considering how she was written to basically be perfect)
I thought the original heavily hinted that the prank was Jess's idea, because after Sam asked "don't you guys think this is a little cruel?" Jess said something like "She's been making eyes at Mike for months! I'm just looking out for my girl Em," which also later made it ironic that Jess and Mike dated and Emily and Jess fought each other in the lodge
I think it was far better than way. It's too obvious in the remake imo. It was def orchestrated by Jess but it felt more like a group prank in the OG and it doesn't feel like that as much in the remake with Emily's planning. It also felt weird to me that Emily was the one doing the actual setup of the prank (what little there was) when it's not even her prank.
plus in the orginal, emily said to jess "i cant belive you did this" or sumn like that so its def her idea
I played the remake and when I was playing Mike in the sanatorium in Chapter 9 or 10, I failed a QTE and it lead to Mike getting caught by the Wendigo, Jess waking up early and Sam going to the sanatorium. When the game transitioned to Sam, I was in a different location which was the outside of the sanatorium and when Sam walked inside, she saw Mike and saves him there. They both ran to the exit and Mike shoots the gas cans to set the place on fire. I didn’t expect this at all and was really surprised.
That's in the OG
Yeah no this isn't anything new or added in the remake. As Mike if you fail to escape the sanitorium, Sam will go there to find him. If he escapes, Sam will encounter him on her way before she can make It outside, because Mike will run in. This was in the original.
@@Fall_1n1 oh really? I never saw it in the original, maybe because I haven’t played it in a while
@@DarkBobby Haha lol fair, I play it a lot. It's because you can't kill Mike or Sam until chapter 10 and it happens in chapter 9. So Mike can't die no matter what and Sam will save him no matter what.
the ashley change was HUGE!!!!! i remember loving her character so much but then that happened and she just left chris to die like? that aint ashley fr. this makes soooo much more sense, like a hopeless romantic or smth
@@anacmg RIGHT!!! yeah, this change definitely lines up more with the way I’ve always pictured her character!!!!!
To me, I don't think Hannah is **that** innocent either. She knew that Emily and Mike were together at that time but still keep going on. But I still don't like Emily lmaooo
Good news! 2nd game is unofficially announced by one of the producers✨ it has been worked on and the remake just made a path for the second one. Since we get to see Josh’s Alive and Sam being troubled. I am so hooked again after all these years😤
I like the fact that Sam doesn't try to find Hannah to warn her in the remake because it makes for interesting character development for her.
She goes from being hesitant to do what she thinks is right (stopping the prank), to actively contributing to the plot (helping Mike defeat the Wendigos at the end, for example).
She wasn't able to prevent the tragedy of Hannah and Beth's death, but in the end, she managed to help her other friends survive another tragedy.
8:44 Besides showing remorse, just make sure no one is dead before chapter 9 as their bodies hanging will lead to him having great guilt which also lead to him losing his sanity over it.
hmm, so do you think that it’s just everyone living that gets that remorseful “I’m so sorry” dialogue to appear? or do you think there are other factors throughout the game?
@@danisland no, they mean that other than choosing the i'm sorry option ALL characters must be alive when you find him with Sam and Mike. Those are the 2 requirements to have him live
@@guillermobaldracco1090 I’ve just been trying to figure out what gets the “I’m so sorry” dialogue to appear, personally!
@@danisland I thought that prompt appears no matter what in the therapy session. If not, then I would guess it has to do with if he punched Ashley and if Sam figured out his identity because she addresses it as a cry for help
The remake made it more obvious that Jessica was the one to instigate the prank, not Emily. It was in the original but quickly forgotten, leading most people to just hate Emily. Furthermore, the remake does have Sam search for Hannah, we just don't see it directly. When she barges into the room, it's obvious that she was searching for Hannah.
However I do like that you clarify that the Josh lives ending is as a full human. The VR sequel has its endings impacting his fate thus sealing it. So technically, it's not done if he doesn't die at Hannah's hands. I like how it doesn't comtradict that game and lives alongside the Wendigo Josh ending. It only changed how soon he's found!
i thought it was pretty clear who orchestrated the prank in the first place. Jessica. one particular line stands out easily during all the banter just before the prank. Jessica: "Im just looking out for my girl Em." this 100% leads me to believe that while Emily was supposed to be the beneficiary of the prank, it was only done in her honor by Jessica. which would explain why in the post prank part of the game emily and jessica seemed to be intentionally distancing themselves from each other at best and actively hostile at worst. because if my supposed best friend pulled a prank in my honor and it lead to the death of a person id be pretty pissed at them for making me a murderer by proxxy. and jessica on the other hand would feel betrayed by emily seemingly shirking the blame on a prank she seemingly went along with and letting her take the whole fall for it. it all fit so perfectly. and then the remake changed it. so now emily is just kinda left being awful without any room for ambiguity or complex character building
i can absolutely see that!!! I did definitely feel like the remake tried to make Emily more of a “villain” in the way they framed everything, you make an awesome point that here!
I think the voice we hear in the epilogue calling out to Sam sounds more like Joshua to be honest. Which would make sense due to her possibly having suffered some PTSD from his psycho act.
I’ve seen a lot of people speculating this as well! i’m curious if this might get expanded on in the future, potentially?!
At the end of the first game Mike and Sam will have the highest relationship stat with each other so it would make sense to say that maybe something happened after. In the remake, that changed, but like you said, they did add more dialogue and hand holding compared to the original.
I think the stats are kinda glitched too. They seem buggy. Maybe BM will update them
What I truly love is how they made Chris actually innocent instead of joining the prank.
In until dawn Chris was my favorite because we could probably relate to him (most) at times, being this dorky geek who's a prankster for fun (like "being cloaked and running after you in the basement" before hitting you with a goofy "eeeeeyyyyy") and truly cares for his friends to the point of getting out in the forest with a shotgun to save Josh
So to see that he'd know better than to join such an evil prank, they had him asleep/drunk on the couch, drawn on his face, only making him THE MORE relatable and sweet knowing he's truly the friend you'd want by your side in such dark times
it was clear in the original he wasn't as well if you are saying that was a change. He was passed out beside josh at the kitchen Island.
@liamnehren1054 wait was he? Thought he joined the prank too and Josh remained at the bar/kitchen because I don't remember seeing him there
@@lesleybaas1885 yeah Chris was innocent like Sam. If you want check out the fandom page for him. They have both story versions on tabs. Also this video shows he was innocent too, remember the image of him passed out with his face drawn on?
@@lesleybaas1885 So fun fact, in the OG script AND OG trailer, it's shown Chris in the closet in on the prank, he was originally going to be involved and that's why they scraped it. So in the game it explains why Josh decided to put him through a lot
I loved that Ashley had potential to be kinda insidious. It gave her a nice duality, I understand them changing it but it kinda sucks that now shes just an extra girl rather than a nerdy kinda girl that gets tormented all night and kind snaps. Hence the achievements old name "Ashley Snaps" a reference to gingersnaps. If you cant like characters cause "theyre mean and not nice!" I think you need to reevaluate your ability to dissect a character
@@HorizonTide i also feel like they tried to make Emily a lot more antagonistic overall. like they just want Ashley to be flawless and Emily to be unlikable, almost 😅
@@danisland yea them angling Emily as the one josh has to choose to "dislike" in his session and making her look like the ringleader when it was literally Jess who said she set it up to "watch her girl, Ems back" because "Hannah had been flirting with Mike all night" and like.... Hannah didn't deserve her fate by any stretch but she kinda did knowingly flirt and try to seduce a guy one of her friends was dating.... Then in the whole lodge choose to run franticly into the mountain woods at night. So idk I love the nuanced stance on like everything in the game but they retconned Jess being the one who orchestrated it to Emily and then made Ashley reduced to literally just Chris's crush/girlfriend
@@HorizonTide How is ashley reduced to "just being chris' crush" just because she isnt vengeful in the remake? Sure it makes her a little less interesting with this new change but thats such a harsh take to have on her ☹ she still has all her moments and choices that made her fun the first time. put some respect on my girl 😔
@@enormastits3902 hey hey hey I love Ashley. I just liked that she had a dark side. She was the only one push through two different saw traps. She was tormented and in the beginning she's just a quiet girl and now she's just the good one all the way through. Compared to bitches Emily and Jess(who I love) and Sam who's main character
It also fit with her being the only character who can never express regret over the prank and will even get annoyed when Chris expresses guilt.
Plus no one can tell me they didn't change it bc of misogyny: guys were super mad that she would dare to be traumatized (or even flat out failed to see that she was). So they really needed to spell it out for some dudebro gamers
It’s interesting that they made the prank out as though it was mainly Emily that orchestrated the prank, since it’s made clear that this whole thing seems to be Jessica’s idea in the original.
“Beth’s been making moves on him. I’m just looking out for my girl, Em.” - Jessica
I’m kinda mad that they removed Ashley dark side away. I thought it was really cool. That their was a secret player character who has a dark side. It was really cool that it was Ashley since you wouldn’t expect her to be that dark character.
even me as a huge chris fan agree with that😭 like i loved that she had a dark side and it made her character wayyy more complex and interesting😔
Idk if it’s them “removing” and more like them clarifying what they actually meant to do in the first game 😂😅
I always thought that it 100% looked like Ashley leaving Chris to die on purpose, but there have been some ppl saying that it seemed intended more like she was actually in shock?
Idk if the devs themselves have actually said which one it was meant to be but even before the remake came out I’ve seen people saying this so
@@theYammy Nah, it was removing. Ashley deliberately chose not to save Chris in the original game. Changing it so she was considering not saving him and then deciding at the last minute is clearly a completely different thought process.
@@theYammy Also Ashley was always kind of shady in the original game. She was a part of the prank and if you choose to make her remorseful, her stats go down. She tries to abandon Sam more than once. She tries to get Emily killed because of an assumption and self preservation. And she acts vengeful toward Chris if he doesn’t save her. So Im pretty sure the original intention of her character was always to have a dark side, and they decided against it later.
@@pathetic2399 eh, i never really thought of her having a dark side? i just thought she was a whiny, easily stressed out teenager who's been through a VERY stressful and traumatizing night. i'm not saying that to absolve her of anything (like chris's death, because like i said, i do think it looked like it was on purpose but idk,) but that I think she was already a flawed person at the beginning of the night (as all of the characters are), and the stress of the events of it pushed her into extremes.
like the thing with the prank is indeed her being shady and like....the word is lost to me rn but like it's just a minor character flaw to me, not really a "dark side". Similar to the whole bite thing with Emily? that was her freaking out and jumping to conclusions because she freaks out easily. It's not her being intentionally malicious which is what signals more of a dark side (to me), but it is another example of her being selfish and more worried about herself and others. idk if that makes sense but we can agree to disagree, that's just how i've perceived her: a selfish coward.
A big component in Josh living is finding Hannah's diary when you play as Sam & Mike while down in the caves, trekking through the water.
I feel like it’s understated that Hannah isn’t blameless in the whole prank situation. The fact the whole group knows she has a crush on mike means she isn’t subtle about the fact she’s down bad for her friends boyfriend. Even if Emily and Hannah aren’t friends it’s still so not cool to try and make the moves on the boyfriend of a member of your friend group.
The upsetting thing with Ashley too is that she tells Chris to shoot her and then kills him for choosing her. You really have to not be paying attention to shoot Ashley, but I feel like she’s too encouraging in the first to choose to kill him
2:08-2:12 that was me and my best friend in high school lool. We played a bit of Until Dawn and we would both yell "that's you!" "shut up that is not me" whenever Emily or Chris was on screen lmao.
I love that they made Ashley try to save him. Honestly her betraying us is so out of character for her from how she acts and it was kind of random and unexpected. Still a cool twist but her at least trying seems more likely for her characteristics.
Definitely! That's what I'm saying
Now she just looks like an idiot that doesn't know when to react or how it was pretty stupid and looked so out of place. The original consequence was perfect. This one makes no sense. And if you do it right, she will save Chris in the original
i’ve always been an Ashley lover & felt like parts of the fandom took it too far whenever they’d say she’s sociopathic or evil bc of her initial reaction. because even that I feel like could’ve been justified as a trauma response. but yeah, I like this one a LOT better!
@@danisland the og games trophy for it doesn't help ''ashleys grudge'' or ''fatal grudge'' in other places
@@danisland but the scene before where she is like. Nooo Chris dont shoot yourself let me choose, shoot me. into uh you shot me i dont open the door for you now that will make you learn rubbed me the wrong way.
It would've been cool to have a secret ending where the prank was avoided and literally everyone lives😂😂
Hannah didn't deserve to die of course but too many people in the fanbase gloss over her intent to sleep with her friend's boyfriend. The audacity to invite them to her lodge and plan on getting with Mike even before he sent that letter is awful. I think she 100% deserved to be pranked though filming it was excessive. She was apparently so down bad for him it was obvious to the entire group and we see all these signs of her obsession throughout the game that I'm wondering if anyone in the group had approached her about it before.
No one could forsee her doing something stupid like running out into a blizzard out of embarassment/shame and obviously their intent wasn't to end up with her dead but that was the unfortunate result. I feel sorry for her dying but I don't feel sorry for the initial prank, that's right and proper comeuppance for trying to steal your friend's significant other.
it’s definitely easy to forget that this isn’t a black and white situation!!
They didn’t have to film her though, that’s just sinister
@@JThom529 People record pranks all the time. For them it probably wasn't sinister.
I figured the ending Sam Epilogue was her cutting herself with a “J” for Josh. They teased a bit of a romance arc when she’s talking about how close they had gotten after Beth and Hannah went missing. Josh would always confide in her, she stated.
I think this would be an AMAZING tease in to another game. I agree that it does sound like Dr Hill calling out for Sam in the epilogue. Originally I thought it was Josh whispering to her as if he wanted her to join him. Either in death or as a wendigo as well. But I like the idea of it being Dr Hill instead for a few reasons. One, it could show that Sam either knew about, or had met, the real Dr Hill when Josh was seeing him. That would show how close Sam and Josh really had been. However, it would also be interesting if it’s showing how SHE is also going a bit mental after all that time. She looks to be self medicating with the empty pill bottles and possible cutting. She also looks like she’s driving herself a little crazy with the possible obsession over myths and legends with the book on the nightstand. Maybe her descent into her own madness manifests into Dr Hill again, like it had done for Josh.
Not sure how another game would go as far as storyline. But maybe Sam finds her own myth to have latch on to her. Though the game developers seem particularly fixated on Wendigos, considering how The Quarry also goes that route. Or, Sam is trying to find a cure for Josh who ended up a wendigo, and that is the canon ending to tie into this idea of a sequel. Maybe she finds another spot that has them rumored to be around and integrated with another group of people also trying to figure it all out. Would be interesting to mix the groups from her origin and The Quarry people. Food for thought.
HELL no. Anything with Sam and JOSH? Bleh, who sees the chemistry? I never even saw their chemistry as ROMANTIC. Why can't we just see people as friends being there for each other sometimes? Sam seemed like she wanted to be there for JOSH as a FRIEND, in my opinion, and I def think he liked her, but her liking him back? Ehhhh, pass. He steals her clothes, knocks her out, chases her, terrifies her, ties her up, he can literally drug her. And people want more of them? No.
I really hope Sam’s epilogue leads into a new game in this universe
I kiiinda like the Ashley change concerning Chris death and now it being more of hesitation of letting danger in and just actively letting Chris die. That choice was always kinda weird for me because it seemed like out of left field and even if Ashley had a secret dark side which could be cool, it was never even built more upon in any other scene in the game, just at that moment, which is why I kinda prefer this because now it does not seem like a weird writing choice for death and drama for the sake of death and drama.
COMPLETELY agree!
Especially that if someone shoot her after Ashley begged Chris to do it so she could save him. That always felt so weird.
"It was just a prank han!" just got so much more personal.
Of course Emily would say that, it was HER prank!
it’s been jessica’s prank since the original. that was the point of her “I’M just looking out for my girl, Em.” line
I wish we got to see post credit scenes for Mike and the other survivors too.
8:36 He's Actually conflicted About Eating the Body And Yes He's Still Struggling with Dr. Hill as He's Clearly Looking At Victor's Body (The Stranger)
Btw the stranger's name is Jack Fiddler. Victor is a non-existent person, invented by Josh to confuse his friends.
I always knew Emily led the prank, but can we just talk about how Emily’s best friend: Jess, a year later, got qith Mike, Emily’s ex and the reason she did the prank, like the bestfriends literally did the prank to stop Hannah from trying to make a move on Mike, yet Jess literally got with Mike not even a year later
You must be new because you're a little late to this convo 😂
@@cake94309 Nope I just never interacted with the fan base😅 But you’re right, I watched it in 2018-2019 when I was 7-9 years olf because I didn’t have the ability to before that, I never knew this was discussed😅😅
No, it was Jess who led the prank.
@AnimatingOwl that explains it lol I'm sorry for coming across rude. Basically from day one the weird Jess, Emily and Mike love triangle has been hot topic. Everyone at the time was like wtf Jess you're meant to be Emily's friend. Crazy thing is people do this in real life so I think that's why people got into their love story drama so much
@ exactly, don’t worry you weren’t rude🥰 atleast I didn’t take any of it personally if you did come off as rude
I think Ashley hesitating to save Chris is enough. Just leaving him to die is too harsh given the shared history they should have.
She has every right to be angry that he chose to save himself over her, but that doesn’t justify leaving him to die when she could intervene and then might survive too
I think that would be interesting that we could see Josh's plans against Mike, Emily and Jessica.
He did have plans. He wanted Mike and Jess alone at the other cabin because they weren't apart of his prank, from my understanding. I have no idea why, but he's hellbent on sending them both away so he can deal with everyone else.
Outside of any other explanation, Sam's epilogue could imply that she was cursed, in the og game the hunter's journal entries state the reason he was more keen to trap the Wendigo and lock them in the asylym and not resort to killing them was he was sure if they were killed, the spirits would just find another host and turn them into Wendigo maybe compel them to eat flesh and be turned. it's how I assumed Josh was turned in the original game's ending. Same for his sister as her being trapped and turned follows the hunter executing the Wendigo chasing them.
On point five I always interpreted her as finding Hannah to start the prank, and I've seen videos suggesting that other people did as well. So they may have excluded that bit to show that she didn't want to be a part of it AT ALL.
Had they instead had her say "Hannah! Where are you!?" or "Hannah!? I need to tell you something!" then I don't think there would have been any confusion.
I also noticed they make it where Jessica says something new after she scares Mike with the deer head after she goes missing, but it feels half assed, since it sounds a little unnatural with the other dialogue from the original game. I really wish they redone Emily and Jessica’s fight, because I really dislike how they dance around why they are mad at each other; Mike dating Jessica not long after the break up with Emily, when only a year ago she was on Emily’s side with the prank and lead to what happened. Also don’t get why it’s all slut this, whore that, or why Emily says, “Are you trying to swallow his face whole?” When they aren’t even kissing.
I think I have a better scenario:
Everyone is in the lodge, except Emily. Mike and Jessica kiss right as Emily enters. Emily then says, “Oh wow, loving having my leftovers huh?” Jessica whips her head back at Emily with a nasty glare. “At least I’m not some prudish hag!” Jessica quips back. Emily moves in closer and Jessica stands up, Mike trying to pull her back. “Jess, don’t!” Jessica scoffs. “What? I’m just defending myself…I don’t need other to fight my battles!” Emily rolls her eyes and laughs. “Yeah right, your nothing but a scared little whore!” Jessica and Emily go at each other and both Mike and Matt hold them back (unless Emily is seen hugging Mike by Matt, he’ll let her go at Jessica, who is pulled away by Mike and he stands between them). Josh tells them to knock it off and tells Jessica and Mike that the cabin might need some work to be in working condition for them and they should go ahead. Emily then quips, “Out to the stable with you, heifer!” And as they leave, Jessica quips again, “Anywhere without that crackhead!” Which makes Emily growl.
Maybe not as good as I want it to be either, but something that would tell the audience why they are no longer friends and why Emily comes in all hostile. I also wish Emily and Jessica meet in the mines and trying to escape a wendigo in mines, if Emily helps Jessica, Jessica can stop Emily from being bite, but if she doesn’t, she gets bite. I also wish Matt got a little section in the caves too.
I honestly don’t think ashley was ever meant to be vengeful or vindictive. I think it was supposed to be that she froze up, and the execution failed to convey that, so they made her indecision/paralysis more obvious here
Actually the developers already confirmed otherwise. That's why the trophy for shooting her is called "fatal grudge", she treats him coldly afterwards after he shoots her, and the description for "ashley snaps" the trophy for her not letting him in is she "let him die." Also Ashley is dismissive of his death. The intention was she wanted him dead, hence why she walks to the door and reaches toward the knob, then walks back farther from Chris, all the while looking at him with a stone cold face even as he dies. If Chris dies and does not make it to the lodge, she says "I'm sorry", an apology for what she was about to do, before walking away, clearly not that affected by it, as opposed to the other version where she has to be helped up and pulled away by Mike.
I personally prefer the original over the remake as I'm not a fan of some of the changes especially changing the score and removing the O' Death intro completely. Not to mention the old game runs better than the remake. However I'm still excited for the sequel that the epilogue is setting up. Supposedly the sequel is being done by Firesprite and Sam will be the main female character. The voice is absolutely Dr. Hill as the actor pretty much confirmed he will be in the sequel in one of his post on Instagram. The remake adding a possible romantic connection between Sam and Mike does seem interesting as its possible that Firesprite plans for them to be a couple in the sequel. Sam always seemed like the main female lead and Mike the main male lead of the first game. Great video hope you do more videos on Until Dawn since its getting a movie adaption and a video game sequel.
Whoa, the sequel is *also* being done by a different company? That seems so bizarre
@avryantoinette It's a rumor. This Remake is already a different studio from the OG too. Besides Sony has handed off sequels to several of their games to other studios.
Guys, Josh decided to target Sam is because of his home had cameras or (in the backstory) maybe he heard from the police reports (which ofc logically after the incident, they would investigate any witness) so that is why he decided to make a plan to lure them. To make that not seems like a trap and leave no trace, he had to invite Chris and everyone else.
CORPSE PARTY MUSIC??? DONT THINK I MISSED THAT
I was SO confused I haven't heard that music used in a video before, I thought I must've left the game open when I was playing it earlier today hahaha
I like that they fully highlight that Sam barely did anything to stop the prank, even in the original all she did was half heartedly chastise them because the prank was "a little mean", and then dragged her feet looking for Hannah only to be too late and say hey sorry it was just a stupid prank in a way that you knew she knew she f'd up. But that felt a little vague because people think that her going to look for Hannah excuses her sitting there while they wrote the note and planned everything out, so here in the remake they fully expose that she did nothing to stop the prank, didn't go WITH Beth to look for Hannah and then acted genuinely confused Josh went after her too.
All the times she said she spoke to him after the incident did it never come up like hey I'm sorry we let the prank get out of hand. I didn't agree with it and should have done more to stop it. The only one who even seems to think along those lines was Ashley of all people
Great content! Congrats on almost 100k views. Silent Hill 2 next?
Hey @danisland for the scene in number 7, I never saw that clip 6:11 where Sam and Mike are holding hands in a frontal view. Is this a new scene added to the remake because I saw the ending and it only shows the back angle of them holding hands. This remake keeps on surprising me every time!
so because the game was remade using a new game engine & ported to PC, people have figured out how to use mods to “freecam” scenes in the game-essentially you can view various moments and scenes from different angles using the mod!
I’ve been thinking about uploading a tutorial if it’s anything you’d be interested in!!!
I think in the Josh is alive ending. The flashlight were the 2 rescuers we saw in the ending where Josh becomes a wendigo. The 7 main characters we play as would probably avoid going in the mines because many of them have seen what it's in there and even if some of them didn't they faced some danger on the mountains. It has to be the unnamed rescuers.
I feel like Jessica orchestrated the prank instead of Emily both games which is why Jessica gets the most brutal and violent death and Mike/Sam gets the least painful it’s by how much they were in on the prank
The rest of the fanbase: "Josh can live!"
Me remembering that likely if anyone died that night it was because of Josh's prank separating everyone : "if he dies he dies"
For me,i think we get a new creature feature for the next sequel..sam probably looking for another place that has a curse like Washington mountain,and she try to help those who are needed and gets an unknown mark
this is an AWESOME thought, especially given Sam is researching creature myths (maybe more creatures than just the wendigo?)
I personally feel like it's Josh calling out to Sam in the epilouge.
i would LOVE that
Have you thought about how different characters got more or less painful deaths depending on what part in the prank? Chris that was asleep got just his head chopped of but emily that had a big part in the prank got her eyes stabbed.
I don't think that's how it works. Don't get me wrong, you aren't entirely wrong with that thought, but I don't think those two examples apply to it. Wendigo Hannah will just kill anyone anyway she can. She can gogue out Ashley's eyes too, and detach her head. So those examples aren't specific for those characters only. However she does drag Jess through the snow and puts her through the worst, probably because she started the prank. She doesn't hurt Mike in the water because she recognized him as her crush. But there are points where she'll just kill with no meaning behind it.
One change... or "add" I guess... you missed I guess was the add of the new "hunger" totems.
As I already played the original Until dawn before, and then played this one, my mouth dropped wide open when I suddenly picked up a totem "I never noticed before", and saw *"dirty hands on the ground, groaning, crawling towards a grave"*
Making Ashley try to open the door is almost as terrible as making Han shoot second in Star Wars.
That epilogue with Sam was the most interesting to me. I'm assuming they're hinting at some type of a sequel where she'll be the main focal point of the story, which will be even more interesting if Josh is alive. She seems to (understandably) struggle with mental health issues after everything that went down given the meds next to her (and was the scar on her forearm meant to indicate an overdose attempt?). And I think she particularly struggled to cope with everything that happened to Josh (she probably assumed he died even if he actually survived) since at some point she tells the police she "thought they had a connection" and that he would often confide in her. Anyway, excited to see that there might be a new game centered around her, she's probably my fav UD character.
the game devs have said before specifically that ashley was NOT being vengeful by not opening the door in the original, she was traumatized by the events of the night including her crush pointing a gun at her and pulling the trigger, and froze up. please don't spread misinformation that's been debunked plenty of times
i personally always interpreted Ash’s initial reaction as a trauma response as well! but a lot of the community didn’t see it that way.
my point there was just that in the remake, i think it’s a LOT harder to interpret that scene as her being vengeful. to me it seems like the creators made this change so that it’d be way harder for people to interpret her reaction as deliberate malice, thus less people would see her as “secretly a bad person” - that’s what I was trying to get at there 😌
really interesting changes! thanks for the video :)
1:19 other than a long fall and a sudden stop
womp womp
I can't be the only one that originally thought that Sam was calling Hannah to lure her into the prank? Looking back, it doesn't make sense considering that Hannah was given the letter and also assumed that she was alone with Mike. But I honestly never realized that Sam was trying to warn Hannah before watching this video. It always stuck me as odd that Sam would participate in the prank lol.
Adding more actual content to this remake was a genius, although obvious move. If it didn't have more endings, scenes or at least more dialogue, then there'd be no point in "remaking" a PS4 game that's still totally playable by today's standards.
Off topic of the video, but girl your hair is STUNNING
WAIT THAT IS SO SWEET THANK YOU :
Honestly the changes made the whole thing way more immersive. The change from sam not chasing made it so she deserved being traumatized by josh. And a bit more depressing and sad. They also turned up emily’s bitchiness
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5:51 I'm a fan of the "couple" or better said... this ship between Mike and Sam, from the beginning of the original game I already loved them lol, I love their dynamic despite being short, who knows, maybe a sequel with them? I don't know, but it would be cool.
ME TOO!! i really like them together
I feel like him and Sam are platonic but they can banter/flirt like that with no issue. Like they know where they stand with each other but they like teasing each other 😅
Having them be a couple would be interesting tho
Peak sequel if it stars the two of them
FINALLY someone agrees. I never understood the people who ship Sam x Josh. He literally drugs her, ties her up, steals her clothes, stalks and tortures and terrifies her. Just because Sam says "I thought we had a connection" people think AW so romantic and sad. No. I see it as a friendly thing, she was there for him as friends. Sure I do think Josh liked Sam romantically but I can't see Sam liking him back after everything he put her through. Mike saves Sam, Sam saves Mike, if Mike sees Jess's head (If you killed her) She'll grab his arm to guide him through the door, she spends half of chapter 9 trying to find and warn Mike, even telling the others "I've got to get Mike, with you or without you" and if Mike dies in the lodge she blames herself, confessing, "He saved me". Also if Sam doesn't lock the door against the Wendigos OR follows Mike, he runs back to her to get her away, saving her. Def a better fan than Sam and Josh. I'm glad they added the flirty line.
This was really good great and concise
1:36. I don't understand why people still think that Hannah is adorable. She literally made moves on someone else's boyfriend. How is this adorable? Like.. what's wrong with people?
I think a lot of people are cute/pretty even if i don't agree with their choices :3
@@danisland oh.. if looking that way..maybe yeah
@@danisland by the way, you're cute too :>
@@ΘΘΝΘ-β5ξ thank you!! c:
why does he say hes not taken?
For number 3 in the previous game and even in this it's implied Jess came up with the idea. In the remake looks like Emily just situated everyone to their hiding positions.
To get the Josh living ending there are 2 main factors needed:
-First you have to choose you're sorry in the final Dr Hill scene
-Then by the time you find him with Sam and Mike ALL characters must be alive. If he sees anyone's body other than the flamethrower guy hanging in the cave he won't be able to forgive himself and will give in to the wendigo spirit. Doesn't matter if any characters die after that scene though
6:17 na, sam actually doesn't really like Mike after what he did to hannah, and she hates him if he shoots Em
Nah I ship and see it personally. At the end of the game (Forgot if it was the remake or OG, its one of them) Her relationship bar with him is FULL. (If they're both alive at the end), he saves her over and over and she saves him. She even comments saying "And he saved me... so its my fault that he died," How did she dislike him after the prank? He didn't do anything to Hannah btw, blame Jess for that. Sam never implied hatred toward Mike. She even spends majority of chapter 9 trying to find Mike to warn him. Even telling the others "I have to get Mike... With or without you" so no yeah, she does not "doesn't really like Mike"
I got the impression that Jessica orchestrated the prank in the original game! Interesting that the remake makes it more clear cut
1:36 i love that Corpse's Party OST
Idea for an Until dawn 2. Sam goes back to lodge area to figure out what that curse scar is and to make sure there are no more Wendigos. So she finds the dead flamethrower guy and takes his stuff. But later she finds a group of people who decided to go to the mountain(this is so you can keep like until dawn and have different endings) and now Josh will be replaced with sam in the Dr. Hill scenes
Now I wanna play this version as these are some nice additions
I don't like they changed Ashleys revenge of not opening the door
By letting her have this reaction shows how your choices matter you choose to shoot her as Chris so she chooses to let Chris die...
Chris didn't know they were blanks he was choosing to kill her! She chooses to do the same...
Maybe if she hesitates to open it. It would have been better but having her just react as if nothing happened. Kinda weak
side note i love the corpse party music in the background
@@Spicypandas5 YAY! Thanks! thought it was fitting :D horror games FTW
In order to save Josh, he has to survive, be remorseful, and everyone else had to also survive
Wait how do we know Sam drew the character portraits?
There’s a reason Josh couldn’t be saved - he was doomed from the start, his fate was sealed before the events of the game even took place.
all of this is soooooooo cool but nothing compared to how i yelled when u said u can save josh
corpse party soundtrack?? my ears deceive? by the way, you're so pretty and adorable!! >.<
thanks for the video and all details!
thank you so much!!!! So glad you caught the corpse party ost in there lol! i thought it was fitting! (‘:
Love the corpse party soundtrack!!
I liked this video and the corpse party music was so nostalgic
thx for documenting this
Omg I was NOT expecting to hear the Corpse Party OST when I clicked on this video, that was a fun surprise
Thanks for this vid. Great job! 👍
So I actually really like a lot of the re-worked prologue, but I think its better that the prank doesn't have a ringleader, so that everyone can feel equally guilty. If it's all on Emily, then it would make more sense for the others in their guilt, to cut her off as a friend, or at the very least, say it was her idea when explaining it to Josh- Who would then make her the main focus of his revenge, (kind of like how he isolates Jess and Mike because he's got plans for them later). But instead his main targets are Chris and Ashley for some reason, while Emily is in peril more out of happenstance, than Josh's mechanations.
And on the topic of Chris and Ashley, I dislike the Ashley change because her heel turn is a long game consequence from your choice, and for gameplay there should be MORE of that, not less! Besides, her hidden dark side actually illuminates how someone so sweet would be in on a prank so cruel. Now it makes no sense she wasn't Team Sam when it came to humiliating Hannah.
I don't think that Mike would really be into Sam that much, I think of it as more playful than any romance...this is a man who would run through a snow storm with a loaded rifle, without a coat and shoes, hopping over multiple obstacles, running faster than he probably ever had before, just to save Jessica, his girlfriend...that man is committed and loyal.
Nah I ship it.
@@Fall_1n1 Meh
@@RemiFar better than Sam x Josh
@@Fall_1n1 Honestly, One is just a no, the other is a hell no
@@RemiFar Makes no sense LOL. said its better than Sam x Josh which is the heck no so thanks for further proving my point ! :D
I haven't seen the new footage yet, but in the original I always thought Emily & Jessica planned the prank because of the dialogue.... My head-cannon was Jess went to Emily and shit-talked Hannah and her obvious obsession with Mike and encouraged Emily to humiliate her!! I can't wait to watch all the new gameplay, the new graphics look amazing!!
Not a fan of the change to Ashley intentionally not letting Chris in after he aims the gun at her. True, her decision to lock him out doesn’t make sense if Chris aims at her AFTER she pleads with him, but then just change the outcome there. Make it an aim first ending, more rare but also satisfying to play out.
As other commenters have said, it could have been a three-way branch as well. And yes, this change does still work for Ashley’s character-she’s troubled because of what Chris did but ultimately doesn’t want him killed. But it is disappointing that they removed the element of someone in the friend group having a dark side / snapping under the stress.
I have two things I think should have stayed true to the original, I think the prank should have been kept a group effort I mean you don't need more reason to hate Emily, feel free to disagree but I think Ashley keeping the door closed should stay something I liked about the game is that there's like one? Maybe two characters that aren't totally awful that don't die heh and it at first seemed like Ashley was one of the few that was decent until that moment, oh and even more reason to keep the prank a group effort if they had kept that it would make more sense for Sam to maybe not try too hard to fight back against the entire group if she only has to go against Emily that's one thing but going against everyone I could see that making her stay uninvolved.
YALL CORPSE PARTY AUDIOS 🤯🤯🤯
josh is not saved. hes looking at the hanging body because hes gonna eat it, its just explained who he was eating in the old ending
The Until Dawn Remake is a Remake, which doesn't work for me.
Yes, we get more insights in Hannah and Beth and how Hannah turns.
Yes, we get an extra ending
Yea, Ashley's character got redeemed.
But 90% of this remakes is still identical to the original version.
This remake was the opportunity to give characters like Jessica and Matt more screentime.
What were they doing in the mines?
How did Matt move in the mines?
I know that Jessica was unconscious in the original version and the remake version, if Mike is fast enough to see her.
I could forgive this decision in the original version, because the Devs originally intended to k*ll Jess off no matter how you play. The change to have the opportunity to save her came in a late state of development.
But the remake was the opportunity to give us more Jess content and to give us more Matt content... but their characters were cut short as well...
I really hoped for more desicions or even different ones and not the same playstyle and the same desicions from the original version.
Kinda hate the Emily/Ashley changes lmao they've made it so people's wild misinterpretations in the original - mainly about Emily, obviously - would now "make sense" in the remake...