As many other comments on this video, I can't understand why italians are selling tons of euro V cool, poweful,fast (and pricey) sport bikes whilst Honda who produced v4 engines for decades seems to be interested on cheap inline 2 bikes. I still hope in a Japan quality and reliability new Honda V4.
Before I got my VFR I had FJRs. A lot of the riders of those seem to have migrated onto bikes like the Tracer 9. I too much prefer old school bikes like VFR/FJR/ST types but I fear their day is done. Just glad I lived through that era.
@@jeremyr62 Yea you maybe right Jeremy, fjrs also my type of bike, I have to admit Riding my mates tracer 9 is fun, but getting back on Vfr, is always "ah that's more like it" . Thanks again 👍
I think Gary as you quite rightly pointed out, the mystery (to us maybe not Honda) is how the Italian manufacturers can churn out big v4s ,although obviously Ducati are predominantly a racing based organisation (perhaps thats not the most accurate term) and may find having a V4 road bike is more important to them.🤔. Either way i guess tine will tell, but I'll think wishfully in meantime.. Cheers 👍
Those FZ 750s were pretty actually. Comfortable and fast. My first bike was an full fairing FZ750, loved it but had an accident with it and damaged it the sold it.
Brilliant bikes, they used to mention a hard seat, but I found it ok. See my old vhs video of it, if you haven't already.ruclips.net/video/IY0vAu_6G20/видео.htmlsi=WpA4htEXWXyO2sAC
I love the torque and the pulling power of the VFR, two up, fully loaded will out drag 90% of the rest. Love that you can have fun on the twisties and sit on it for hours munching motorway miles. Love the style and love the V4. But best of all is DCT.
@@garyt123 I bought cycling shorts thyat were padded that had gel inerts from Aldi (£5 ) i think in prep for long journeys. But I have over 50,000 miles now and minimum 60 miles per day, maximum 3 hours trips to Lincolnshire. didnt need them after all but handy if you can pick some up. I also am looking at a custom seat.
Unfortunately Graham and as much as I would like Honda to make another VFR, I don't think they will. Too expensive to develop a V4 engine. In the meantime I will just enjoy my VFR750!
Interesting subject. I don't know enough on the technicalities to give any sort of objective opinion. I understand that Honda stopped production of their V4, citing emmisions as being the decisive factor (I presume 2016 Euro IV or maybe the, then upcoming, 2020 Euro V). Its weird how Italian manufacturers _can_ produce liquid cooled, V4, large bore, high power Euro V compliant powerplants, yet Honda seem incapable 🤷. The Panigale V4, for example, is crazy powerful and Euro V/V+ compliant. I don't imagine Honda can't do the same/similar, but more that they don't want to right now. Must be a strategic, or commercial, move, but only they know. I remember when Triumph phased out the Daytona 955i, never producing a 1050 version, or later 1200 version, although maintaining the Speed Triple with those engines. Low sales, one assumes, due to (and I launch into pure speculation) high insurance costs(?), or lack of interest in the sports segment, or rider demographics. Again, no idea.
Hi graham yes the vfr set a bench mark in the sport touring bracket its a great all round bike even the 750/ 800 models are still good hopefully honda will bring another one out the 1200 for me is perfect .
@@toma9246 I was talking to a lad at squires last week who'd part exed his vfr 800 for the Suzuki gsxs1000gt. Said he'd tried the gx Suzuki but found the feel from the front a touch remote compared to GT. It's a great point 👍
Good morning I have the same blue bike as yours. Do you have a film taking front wheel out hit a rock at 60mph stay on lucky need to get wheel fixed thanks.
@@johnritchie3536 Oh that's sounds nasty. It's pretty straightforward Richie, try this one that I first used, good luck ruclips.net/video/_eYXTLTDoM8/видео.htmlsi=ocCg9s0kTwVZJGYP
Graham I'm curious, saw in one of your other vids you mentioned the tank on the 2012+ isn't actually bigger it's just the pump takes less space in the tank. Where did you get this info from? Also do you know what the difference is supposed to be in the fueling system to improve economy, is it supposed to be physical parts or just mapping?
@@REDGRIFFIN100 Hi yes I'd heard anecdotaly about it, then saw in an old mag Ride October 2012. look at 58 secs on linked video. This is backed up by a supposed insignificant increase ( half a litre) which would hardly warrant a re design. I believe the improvement was purely mapping, as the physical systems appear the same. ECU is different. ruclips.net/video/CaNk7nr6U2M/видео.htmlsi=JVWfE5eSX69MvAeO Hope that helps
Well you don't buy a Vfr for soul and character I've got lots of opportunities for that. You buy it for power efficiency and effectiveness. Looks are devisive but hey ho! 😊
As many other comments on this video, I can't understand why italians are selling tons of euro V cool, poweful,fast (and pricey) sport bikes whilst Honda who produced v4 engines for decades seems to be interested on cheap inline 2 bikes. I still hope in a Japan quality and reliability new Honda V4.
Before I got my VFR I had FJRs. A lot of the riders of those seem to have migrated onto bikes like the Tracer 9. I too much prefer old school bikes like VFR/FJR/ST types but I fear their day is done. Just glad I lived through that era.
@@jeremyr62 Yea you maybe right Jeremy, fjrs also my type of bike, I have to admit Riding my mates tracer 9 is fun, but getting back on Vfr, is always "ah that's more like it" . Thanks again 👍
I think Gary as you quite rightly pointed out, the mystery (to us maybe not Honda) is how the Italian manufacturers can churn out big v4s ,although obviously Ducati are predominantly a racing based organisation (perhaps thats not the most accurate term) and may find having a V4 road bike is more important to them.🤔.
Either way i guess tine will tell, but I'll think wishfully in meantime.. Cheers 👍
Those FZ 750s were pretty actually. Comfortable and fast. My first bike was an full fairing FZ750, loved it but had an accident with it and damaged it the sold it.
Brilliant bikes, they used to mention a hard seat, but I found it ok. See my old vhs video of it, if you haven't already.ruclips.net/video/IY0vAu_6G20/видео.htmlsi=WpA4htEXWXyO2sAC
I love the torque and the pulling power of the VFR, two up, fully loaded will out drag 90% of the rest. Love that you can have fun on the twisties and sit on it for hours munching motorway miles. Love the style and love the V4. But best of all is DCT.
I must agree with everything you've said there... with the added interest of dct 👍.
@@TheSudsy Agree with all except comfort. My bum gets really sore after about 2 hours in the saddle 😂
@@garyt123 I bought cycling shorts thyat were padded that had gel inerts from Aldi (£5 ) i think in prep for long journeys. But I have over 50,000 miles now and minimum 60 miles per day, maximum 3 hours trips to Lincolnshire. didnt need them after all but handy if you can pick some up. I also am looking at a custom seat.
Standard seat? custom made are much better in comfort @@garyt123
Remember having a fj1200 and a Kawasaki 1000 gtr, and now my 2010 vfr1200f can't beat it.
@@tangm6969 Great to hear, fjrs are great bikes, never ridden the gtr 1000, but had a brief pillion ride on a gtr 1400, very nice .
Unfortunately Graham and as much as I would like Honda to make another VFR, I don't think they will. Too expensive to develop a V4 engine. In the meantime I will just enjoy my VFR750!
Yes you're probably right, but hey ho!, keep enjoying your 750 😊😊
Interesting subject. I don't know enough on the technicalities to give any sort of objective opinion. I understand that Honda stopped production of their V4, citing emmisions as being the decisive factor (I presume 2016 Euro IV or maybe the, then upcoming, 2020 Euro V). Its weird how Italian manufacturers _can_ produce liquid cooled, V4, large bore, high power Euro V compliant powerplants, yet Honda seem incapable 🤷.
The Panigale V4, for example, is crazy powerful and Euro V/V+ compliant. I don't imagine Honda can't do the same/similar, but more that they don't want to right now. Must be a strategic, or commercial, move, but only they know.
I remember when Triumph phased out the Daytona 955i, never producing a 1050 version, or later 1200 version, although maintaining the Speed Triple with those engines. Low sales, one assumes, due to (and I launch into pure speculation) high insurance costs(?), or lack of interest in the sports segment, or rider demographics. Again, no idea.
@@garyt123 Don't know why my reply to you went on as a comment not direct reply 🤔, Hope you picked it up.
Hi graham yes the vfr set a bench mark in the sport touring bracket its a great all round bike even the 750/ 800 models are still good hopefully honda will bring another one out the 1200 for me is perfect .
@@andyrawlings5369 Yes I'm hoping they will, but not holding my breath 😞😞.
Couldn't agree more. Honda wants to push the ugly NT1100, but it's just not sporty enough.
@@Mr.HondaMoto Yes looks aside, I'm sure owners really enjoy them , but stepping from a sporty v4 shaft drive would be a wrench for me, 🤔🤔
Its front end feel i miss with upright adventure bikes
@@toma9246 I was talking to a lad at squires last week who'd part exed his vfr 800 for the Suzuki gsxs1000gt. Said he'd tried the gx Suzuki but found the feel from the front a touch remote compared to GT. It's a great point 👍
We are living in the cost cutting era. The VFR1200F clearly is not part of this era. 10/10 for the looks.
@@dorstefan Sadly yes, and of course the consumers desire for style (fripperies) over substance 😏
Specsavers mate
Yea it simply doesn't make any reasonable sense, well certainly not to us Vfr fans. 😏😏
Good morning I have the same blue bike as yours. Do you have a film taking front wheel out hit a rock at 60mph stay on lucky need to get wheel fixed thanks.
@@johnritchie3536 Oh that's sounds nasty. It's pretty straightforward Richie, try this one that I first used, good luck ruclips.net/video/_eYXTLTDoM8/видео.htmlsi=ocCg9s0kTwVZJGYP
Graham I'm curious, saw in one of your other vids you mentioned the tank on the 2012+ isn't actually bigger it's just the pump takes less space in the tank. Where did you get this info from?
Also do you know what the difference is supposed to be in the fueling system to improve economy, is it supposed to be physical parts or just mapping?
@@REDGRIFFIN100 Hi yes I'd heard anecdotaly about it, then saw in an old mag Ride October 2012. look at 58 secs on linked video. This is backed up by a supposed insignificant increase ( half a litre) which would hardly warrant a re design.
I believe the improvement was purely mapping, as the physical systems appear the same. ECU is different.
ruclips.net/video/CaNk7nr6U2M/видео.htmlsi=JVWfE5eSX69MvAeO
Hope that helps
@@Grahamvfr thanks that does help
Itll be a typical Honda. Itll do everything superbly but it will be void of character and soul and by God its an ugly bike...
Well you don't buy a Vfr for soul and character I've got lots of opportunities for that. You buy it for power efficiency and effectiveness. Looks are devisive but hey ho! 😊