You are both very good at this sort of thing. I have owned a Crowther for the last 6 years and sailing for 40 yrs and I still learn good stuff from you guys 🙏 Thank you
Great trip guys. SV Talisman did the ARC in 2019 and pretty much sailed the same route as yours and came in third in their division one of only 39 boats that did not turn on their engine!
@@youngbarnacles I found your channel after your interview with Nick O'Kelly on his channel and I was impressed with what you had to say . So much so I subscribed and have been binge watching from the beginning . I want to thank you for keeping me entertained and awake a lot of nights. I am looking forward to more in the future.
In a perfect world we would have rudders like on an A-Class catamaran where you can pull them up and down. The Gunboat 68 has something similar. We don't want anything additional below the waterline as it will reduce the boat's performance
Awesome debrief/commentary, thanks. Running deep, not my favorite POS. If I had to go over for an reason in the middle of the ocean I'd be wearing my Petzl helmet. Thought you only had a halyard lock for the headsail? Lol at O45 graphic.
We have halyard lock on the main for full hoist as well as on our first and second reefs. We also have a halyard lock for the jib. We do not run halyard locks on our soft sails. Never ever run a lock on a soft sail (ie spinnakers, asymmetric spinnakers, gennakers, parasails etc) as it is too dangerous and potential for disaster is not worth it.
We had a completely different crossing. We sailed up the coast from Cape Town to Namibia. From Namibia we sailed the first 2 days with double reefed main and Genoa but the the trades kicked in and we had 12-14 knots in the day time and at night we dropped to 4-6 knots. We sailed all the way to Brazil just with our Asymmetrical spinnaker with the tack on the bow eye. We use a Tylska shackle on the tack on a short rope so you can get to the shackle to dump the sail and it’s literally a single person job to dump the spinnaker and sock it and drop it to the deck. There were times in the early hours of the morning we had such light winds we needed to motored for a few hours til the wind came up at sunrise. Once the sun came up the wind started and we raised the bag again. We couldn’t wish for a better crossing.
forthright review - rudders = own goal = cross over sail - surprised a bit by the size and effect of the overlap. one good bit of commentary we missed is how the boys went - from what I could see jumping around the yacht - they worked well and were not at all intimidated by anything - (probably a reflection of Seans cool head)
Yeah. We tried 😂. Apparently the snorkeling at the anchorage is way more fun than sitting down in front of a camera with mum and dad. Go figure! 😂 We did ask what their favourite/worst parts of the journey were which we covered as highlights and lowlights. Interesting to see which personality liked what. They all gained a lot of confidence by the end of it. We've got some stuff coming up shortly where they sail the boat from Antigua to Guadeloupe without dad onboard so you'll see them then 👍👍
Nice work guys, maybe u could do a quick flick on the nav gear as in the platform u are using looks different from what I’ve seen such as navionics ,windy, PredictWind. Just a thought, take care
Just stumbled across your channel, and sub'd after watching first episode.....fantastic detail and discussion. You were talking about sail inventory and the importance of having the ability and speed to adjust to conditions.......I'd be interested on your thoughts on boom furling mainsails apart from the expense, more in the ability to fine tune sail area (for multihulls) and pros and cons on the added complexity, weight penalty? I understand you have a rotating rig with square topped, 4 reef and performance cloth so may be difficult to have any direct comment.....just seems like there are some benifits for short handed sailing. Cheers, good luck with the repairs (Dazcat have been toying with rudder foils to reduce hobbie horsing)
@@youngbarnacles I am on a monohull, but with 60 ft LWL. At 18.2 tons we do 200 mile days every time the wind is aft of 60⁰ AWA and more than 13 knots TWS. Shedding weight is hard, especially with a full family on board
Thanks for the debrief. It's a bit worrying about the possibility of piracy off the west African coast, i am glad the Royal Moroccan Navy found you first. Seems to be quite a few hot spots of piracy these days, not just the infamous east African coast but also near Panama and the some of the South American East coast as well as the Sulu Sea in Asia. DOes seem to be more of it about or just hearing about it more. As for the Rudder, you didn't notice any Iberian Orca's around did you? :)
😂 I think I would have preferred to have the rudders munched by Orcas! It would have been an amazing wildlife experience/encounter plus we would have had something to fix at the other end! 😂😜
Quite an experience thatvmust have been, loosing your rudder... What were the dimensions of the rudder shaft tube? I'm assuming that this is the rudder that had the rods through the shaft. Did it sheer at these holes? My thinking is that the fairly high aspect ratio of the new rudder cross section is placing much more load on your rudder assembly, in comparison to the previous rudders, due the increased amout of lift they produce. Have you noticed an increase in responsiveness with these new rudders? Another thought just came to mind, with the increased aspect ratio, you need to make sure that the 2 rudders are perfectly aligned so that they will not be oppoising each other when you are trying to steer straight ahead.
Yes absolutely we spend a lot of time aligning our rudders. My sons complain when they have to go swimming with a tape measure to make sure they are aligned properly. It's hydraulic steering so we do need to maintain the alignment. I would prefer a mechanical system but we're stuck with what we've got until I have the time, money and inclination to fix it 😉 In terms of the rudder stock failure- Yes it was the rudder with the holes for the pins that broke off, however this was not where the failure occurred. The break was at the top of the blade. The stock was a very thin walled and fatigue finished it off in the end. Yes the loads of the blades were increased dramatically but not because of aspect ratio (the new rudder was similar to the old one) the extra lift came from using a good section and most of all from sealing the top of the rudder to the hull. A 2mm gap between rudder and hull becomes hydrodynamically sealed. Yes the responsiveness of the new rudders compared to the old was daylights difference. It should also be noted that the new rudders had less surface area than the old rudders.
Very interesting the data recording of squalls ramp up time. Sort of my matches my gut feel. // Totally agree with time to furl a sail but I'm surprised ~10 mins to get a sock over a spinnaker. Were you sailing without the main to blanket it? Our 100m2 symmetric with an ATN was very quick. 1 person on the foredeck to pull the snuffer line, 1 person in the cockpit to blow the sheet. Doubt it was 5 minutes except a very big squall at 3 am where the wind was so strong and it was a struggle to get it snuffed.// Rudder repairs in exotic locations (another boat but I fixed it) - it was tricky to get a 46' mono rudder back in place at anchor with some swell! maiaaboard.blogspot.com/2015/06/aground-part-3-exotic-repairs.html // With a carbon stock aren't you likely to have to increase stock & bearing diameter for a typical rectangular shaped one? Is the existing bearing capable of dealing with the increased bending with a round carbon stock? If it's just a bushing I would worry about binding. If you go with metal maybe a higher strength duplex 2205 s.s. instead of 316 (if you can find it of course). Might be hard to find a off the shelf round carbon stock that isn't got a lot of long'l uni, i.e. where you need a higher % at +/- 45 for torsion?
Ah the joys of fixing boats in exotic locations. We will get the carbon round tube for the stock made to spec from C-tech in NZ then we will build the blade onboard Paikea. By going to carbon fibre we can reduce the bending. We have plain sleeve bearings and there is some binding but this is not enough to cause any issues while steering. With the newer style rudders we have found the binding to be much less due to the reduced angle of attack input needed from the rudders. We're going to put together a video explaining our approach shortly which should answer the questions you have raised. Cheers for the link to the blog. Good stuff 👍
"Failure is great because of the lesson it teaches". Right on! Be happy, be safe
Great reflection for the trip guys, laughed at the designers wave slapping option, we are all mere mortals :)
What were they thinking!!!??? 🤣🤣🤣
You are both very good at this sort of thing. I have owned a Crowther for the last 6 years and sailing for 40 yrs and I still learn good stuff from you guys 🙏 Thank you
You're welcome 🙂
Great trip guys. SV Talisman did the ARC in 2019 and pretty much sailed the same route as yours and came in third in their division one of only 39 boats that did not turn on their engine!
Fantastic effort! Well done team Talisman 👍
@@youngbarnacles I found your channel after your interview with Nick O'Kelly on his channel and I was impressed with what you had to say . So much so I subscribed and have been binge watching from the beginning . I want to thank you for keeping me entertained and awake a lot of nights. I am looking forward to more in the future.
The kids keeping her surfing on the swell . Loved it , Thought about putting a skeg in front of the rudders ? Protection , Drying out ?
In a perfect world we would have rudders like on an A-Class catamaran where you can pull them up and down. The Gunboat 68 has something similar. We don't want anything additional below the waterline as it will reduce the boat's performance
great feed back of the trip Enjoy the Caribe
Thanks mate👍
Great debrief guys, fantastic to see all your sailing, sail making, boat building skills and experience helping to keep the adventure alive :-)
Hey mate!!! Good to hear from you! How's the car racing getting on?? 😁😁
@@youngbarnacles - parked the car up for a while - switched the focus back to the 12 - the tall/skinny big rig still going strong 🙂
Love your boat! Why not wait for the low to pass and have better weather?
Thank you for taking the time to really go through the details!
You're welcome.
Awesome debrief/commentary, thanks. Running deep, not my favorite POS. If I had to go over for an reason in the middle of the ocean I'd be wearing my Petzl helmet. Thought you only had a halyard lock for the headsail? Lol at O45 graphic.
We have halyard lock on the main for full hoist as well as on our first and second reefs. We also have a halyard lock for the jib. We do not run halyard locks on our soft sails. Never ever run a lock on a soft sail (ie spinnakers, asymmetric spinnakers, gennakers, parasails etc) as it is too dangerous and potential for disaster is not worth it.
When you have the chance can you do a dive into your main halyard and reefing locks please.
We had a completely different crossing. We sailed up the coast from Cape Town to Namibia. From Namibia we sailed the first 2 days with double reefed main and Genoa but the the trades kicked in and we had 12-14 knots in the day time and at night we dropped to 4-6 knots. We sailed all the way to Brazil just with our Asymmetrical spinnaker with the tack on the bow eye. We use a Tylska shackle on the tack on a short rope so you can get to the shackle to dump the sail and it’s literally a single person job to dump the spinnaker and sock it and drop it to the deck. There were times in the early hours of the morning we had such light winds we needed to motored for a few hours til the wind came up at sunrise. Once the sun came up the wind started and we raised the bag again. We couldn’t wish for a better crossing.
Sounds like the dream run! You would have spent the entire time chasing the breeze while we spent ours dodging it.
@@youngbarnacles yup so true
forthright review - rudders = own goal = cross over sail - surprised a bit by the size and effect of the overlap. one good bit of commentary we missed is how the boys went - from what I could see jumping around the yacht - they worked well and were not at all intimidated by anything - (probably a reflection of Seans cool head)
Yeah. We tried 😂. Apparently the snorkeling at the anchorage is way more fun than sitting down in front of a camera with mum and dad. Go figure! 😂 We did ask what their favourite/worst parts of the journey were which we covered as highlights and lowlights. Interesting to see which personality liked what. They all gained a lot of confidence by the end of it. We've got some stuff coming up shortly where they sail the boat from Antigua to Guadeloupe without dad onboard so you'll see them then 👍👍
Great video guys, and really nice clear audio this week 👍🙏👏 enjoy the Caribbean
Woohoo! Getting better with the production side of things 😉
You are either incredibly courageous, or possibly insane but the story is incredible!!!❤❤
Probably a bit crazy 🤣 Hopefully showing our kids a life less ordinary
Thanks for sharing your experience!
De Nada!
Nice work guys, maybe u could do a quick flick on the nav gear as in the platform u are using looks different from what I’ve seen such as navionics ,windy, PredictWind.
Just a thought, take care
Are you referring to QTVLM? We've got some footage just need to edit and upload. Stay tuned
Just stumbled across your channel, and sub'd after watching first episode.....fantastic detail and discussion. You were talking about sail inventory and the importance of having the ability and speed to adjust to conditions.......I'd be interested on your thoughts on boom furling mainsails apart from the expense, more in the ability to fine tune sail area (for multihulls) and pros and cons on the added complexity, weight penalty?
I understand you have a rotating rig with square topped, 4 reef and performance cloth so may be difficult to have any direct comment.....just seems like there are some benifits for short handed sailing.
Cheers, good luck with the repairs (Dazcat have been toying with rudder foils to reduce hobbie horsing)
Awesome. This probably deserves a video as we've had a lot of questions around this topic. Thanks
200nm/day is difficult on a 42 ft boat. Waterline length is SO important. You just need longer hulls......
Yes, and making it lighter would help. We are still at 9 tonnes
@@youngbarnacles I am on a monohull, but with 60 ft LWL. At 18.2 tons we do 200 mile days every time the wind is aft of 60⁰ AWA and more than 13 knots TWS. Shedding weight is hard, especially with a full family on board
Thanks for the debrief. It's a bit worrying about the possibility of piracy off the west African coast, i am glad the Royal Moroccan Navy found you first.
Seems to be quite a few hot spots of piracy these days, not just the infamous east African coast but also near Panama and the some of the South American East coast as well as the Sulu Sea in Asia. DOes seem to be more of it about or just hearing about it more.
As for the Rudder, you didn't notice any Iberian Orca's around did you? :)
😂 I think I would have preferred to have the rudders munched by Orcas! It would have been an amazing wildlife experience/encounter plus we would have had something to fix at the other end! 😂😜
Quite an experience thatvmust have been, loosing your rudder...
What were the dimensions of the rudder shaft tube?
I'm assuming that this is the rudder that had the rods through the shaft. Did it sheer at these holes?
My thinking is that the fairly high aspect ratio of the new rudder cross section is placing much more load on your rudder assembly, in comparison to the previous rudders, due the increased amout of lift they produce. Have you noticed an increase in responsiveness with these new rudders?
Another thought just came to mind, with the increased aspect ratio, you need to make sure that the 2 rudders are perfectly aligned so that they will not be oppoising each other when you are trying to steer straight ahead.
Yes absolutely we spend a lot of time aligning our rudders. My sons complain when they have to go swimming with a tape measure to make sure they are aligned properly. It's hydraulic steering so we do need to maintain the alignment. I would prefer a mechanical system but we're stuck with what we've got until I have the time, money and inclination to fix it 😉
In terms of the rudder stock failure- Yes it was the rudder with the holes for the pins that broke off, however this was not where the failure occurred. The break was at the top of the blade. The stock was a very thin walled and fatigue finished it off in the end. Yes the loads of the blades were increased dramatically but not because of aspect ratio (the new rudder was similar to the old one) the extra lift came from using a good section and most of all from sealing the top of the rudder to the hull. A 2mm gap between rudder and hull becomes hydrodynamically sealed. Yes the responsiveness of the new rudders compared to the old was daylights difference. It should also be noted that the new rudders had less surface area than the old rudders.
Great debrief, really appreciate that! Are you thinking heavy wall carbon tube or solid for the rudder stock replacement?
Thanks! We will have round carbon tube made to spec from C-tech in NZ
Very interesting the data recording of squalls ramp up time. Sort of my matches my gut feel. // Totally agree with time to furl a sail but I'm surprised ~10 mins to get a sock over a spinnaker. Were you sailing without the main to blanket it? Our 100m2 symmetric with an ATN was very quick. 1 person on the foredeck to pull the snuffer line, 1 person in the cockpit to blow the sheet. Doubt it was 5 minutes except a very big squall at 3 am where the wind was so strong and it was a struggle to get it snuffed.// Rudder repairs in exotic locations (another boat but I fixed it) - it was tricky to get a 46' mono rudder back in place at anchor with some swell! maiaaboard.blogspot.com/2015/06/aground-part-3-exotic-repairs.html // With a carbon stock aren't you likely to have to increase stock & bearing diameter for a typical rectangular shaped one? Is the existing bearing capable of dealing with the increased bending with a round carbon stock? If it's just a bushing I would worry about binding. If you go with metal maybe a higher strength duplex 2205 s.s. instead of 316 (if you can find it of course). Might be hard to find a off the shelf round carbon stock that isn't got a lot of long'l uni, i.e. where you need a higher % at +/- 45 for torsion?
Ah the joys of fixing boats in exotic locations. We will get the carbon round tube for the stock made to spec from C-tech in NZ then we will build the blade onboard Paikea. By going to carbon fibre we can reduce the bending. We have plain sleeve bearings and there is some binding but this is not enough to cause any issues while steering. With the newer style rudders we have found the binding to be much less due to the reduced angle of attack input needed from the rudders. We're going to put together a video explaining our approach shortly which should answer the questions you have raised. Cheers for the link to the blog. Good stuff 👍