Do you need to cure your soy candles? Is it BS or not?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- I run a test on three different soy candles, burned at different dates to determine if curing makes a difference.
I burned one after 24 hours, five days and two weeks and the results are in!
Jars, fragrances, and wax used in this video are all from www.candlescience.com
Wooden wicks are from www.lonestarcandlesupply.com
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lol he is!!! I started my business in 08 but stopped but moved to get back into it this year and he's been helping me so much with getting back in the groove!
So right stand key spot on ? Based on tones of tests done new in this field I get great cold throw when low temperature and my soy wax s16 gets the smooth feeling on top better when pouring lower temp o go 43-45 which is 113 farenheight
Been practicing the "lower the better " method for everything adding the FO , pouring, etc. when the majority of the candle community and companies been preaching all these ridiculous high temps for all phases of candle making. I always had problems at higher temps of hot throw, frosting etc. ...UNTIL I started lowering the temps, I swear at this point its a conspiracy to guard a secret and keep people from making candles lol
swiftbear Lol I thought the same thing! It just makes sense that you’d want to add at much lower temps
I kindda suspected the 2 week cure time was BS too, but never got around to test that so thanks for posting this video. I can't believe there is so much misinformation out there about candle making.
I agree with you. Candlewic guy gave me bad advice after I purchased wax from him
swiftbear I’m having the exact same problem , I rang my supplier and asked for advice they told me to burn to 75c , add fo in at 70c then pour at 65 😩 I have no smell what’s so ever . I’m using eco soy Q210 . Any suggestions will be really appreciated 🙏🏼
I agree, all the candles I've made following standleys methods have came out great.super glad I found this guy 😎
Your videos is ALWAYS informative. Thank you so much for your candle wisdom Standley 💕
Thank goodness. Somebody says this. I always wait until my wax temp is down to 55c to 60c.
With Soy wax is the F.O percentage not to be over 10%?
Hi! Thanks so much for your video! I have a question, if you’re doing this method do you have to heat the wax all the way to 185° and let it drop or can you heat until it’s fully melted and then let it cool until 110° to add the FO?
Hey, Jeff, can you do a video or talk about adding botanicals to a candle. I was advised not to because it would "choke the wick". Is there anything that I can do to prevent choking the wick. I wouldn't add a lot of botanicals but want to for certain purposes. I would be using the paraffin/soy wax. I am a new candle maker. Thanks so much for your videos. They are so helpful.
What was the flash point of the fragrance oil you used in the video? Are we supposed to ignore the flash points that are in place by the manufacturer? Some are high some are low. Is adding fragrance to an oil that is not supposed to be added high the reason the scent is burning off? What about the ones that require a high flash point? Won’t a low temp not allow the fragrance to bind? Sorry for all the questions I’m new to this.
justin garcon Flashpoints are only a concern for shipping and if the oils are near a flame. They won’t matter when adding to wax.
So what happens if you stick the jars in the refrigerator to make It solidify a lot quicker? Not a candle maker. Just curious about the practice so sorry if it seems like a dumb question.
May I ask Wether I must cure an unscented candle?
hello I was wondering if I made a Gel wax candle and top it off with the soy wax would that work? I would let the gel dry first and top with soy wax if not soy then what would be good? I am just starting my business.
Hello Stanley. What do I have to do to get in the group?
What causes the beading? And is that dangerous? I want to gift candles but am nervous of causing a fire 🙈🙊
& does curing with the lids on or off make the HT stronger??
Thank you so much.
Thank you for sharing.
Nice video. I spoke with a buddy of mine he has a master degree in Chemistry. He doesn't believe there's any point of curing a candle. in his words: " I don't think there is some chemical binding between the fragrance oils and wax, there is no covalent bond being formed, it is only present homogeneously in the solution, and then a physical process occurs (wax hardening). So in my opinion (without doing any research on the subject), there is no impact by letting the wax cure. Therefore, I don't think you need to do the curing step for 2 weeks."
Edward Yen Thank you! That was my exact though on this subject.
I hate to drag chemists, but I'm not sure chemists really understand the mechanism at play for these sorts of things and how they impact the organoleptic (smell) qualities of solutions like these. I've heard similar stories from chemists regarding curing of perfume oil blends and also the curing of recently-distilled essential oils. The chemists don't seem to recognize or believe any chemical process that would impact organoleptics, but almost any perfumer will swear by it. As someone who designs fragrances myself, I know that curing a oil/diluent mixture after dilution totally has an impact, especially in the way top/middle/base notes are projected. Chemically no new bonds might be forming, but physically, there seems to be *something* that is happening that affects its smell.
@@MrBenkyoushimashou I'm confused about how you're differentiating chemically to physically?
No there's no molecular restructuring/bonding going on with "curing" a candle. But apparently letting them sit for a few days allows the still liquid fragrance oils to "more evenly disperse throughout the wax" - quoted from a different maker from a video i watched 10 minites ago. I dont really see how that would work either, seeing as the liquid fragrance molecules are trapped within their solidified continuous. If they were to disperse via time curing, wouldn't it just sink? So confusing.
I'd also like to add that blending fragrances and allowing those to sit is a different thing than homoginising an already made fragrance within a solid continuous. But I do agree with you in that my signature perfume, which I blend using essential oils, absolutely "matures" with age and needs to sit for a few weeks to reach it's true identity. When it's fresh, it's crisp with definitive layers. After a few weeks the scent comes together and pretty much becomes it's own smell. That I cannot explain!
So weird!
I’m using GB 464 is there a shelf life for the wax itself?
Brains N Beauty Boutique I’m not too sure what the shelf life is for the wax. I imagine it’s pretty long. I’ll have to do some checking myself.
Standley Handcrafted ok,thank you.
"So it's 4:20..."
*realizes it's 420*
"So it's 4:20, man"
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Definitely questioning the validity of some of the knowledge in this video....1st....you lit wooden wicks that were about 1/2" tall...2x taller than it should be.....2nd you said the fragrance oil Definitely "binded" correctly to the wax, which doesn't happen. Fragrance Oil will always be a liquid even when added to wax. Adding it to wax doesn't change that, it will always be a liquid, and in no way binds to the wax....3rd your test was only for a few hours each..which really didn't prove anything...curing isn't about intensity...its about consistency...wax is polymorphic....as it cures it forms crystals....these crystals are needed to move the oil around the wax....the more crystals, the more area the oil has to be captured, and the further around the candle the oil can move....while you may have gotten ok results in your 2-3 hour test burn, that may not necessarily be the case further down the candle where there may be no crystals or trapped oil...4th...soy doesn't even begin to cure for at least 24 hours after it starts to solidify...it hasn't even fully solidified at 24 hours.....while I applaud your approach at this video, it's chalk full of scientifically incorrect information. While I don't think a 2 week cure is absolutely necessary....1 week is....your video is going to have people burning and selling candles after 24 hours, which will almost always result in false test results, especially as it pertains to wicks....even at 48 hours soy requires about 2/3rds the amount of heat to melt as it would if it was fully cured and recrysalized....I will say I absolutely agree with your statement about adding oil at lower Temps in the wax, but I disagree that it's sitting there burning off...its not burning off, it's evaporating....no different than being in a diffuser
i have tried that method and all the candles had the same effect of being heavy frosted, indented and sweat. I like adding my fragrance at 160 and pour at 140 i get smooth top every time.
You can use a hair dryer or heat gun to fix the tops ☺️
Thank you for this comment! I’ve been trying to get down the right temperatures and still haven’t quite mastered it. The top always caves a little bit. I’m gonna try this!
Be sure to stir one last time just before pouring, smooth tops everytime
Can you do a wood wick vs cotton wick video? Thanks
Absolutely, thank you for the suggestion!
Yes please, I'm still new to this and wonder about wooden wicks
@@StandleyHandcrafted i too have been debating whether or not to use wood wicks in my candles using 6006 so a video on wood wicks vs cotton wicks would really be helpful
Crip2Knyght Thank you! I’ll be making one soon. 🙂
@@StandleyHandcrafted thank you looking forward to watching it
Some fragrances do need a cure time to fully bond with the wax for a good cold throw especially. It also depends on the brand of soy wax. I let my candles cure for a week and I most definitely notice a difference with the cold scent throw. Hot scent throw is the same either way in my experience too. I do use a different brand than you do though. And I always stir for 2 minutes to ensure a good bonding to begin with.
JiasJewels I would agree for the most part, I’m still testing different fragrances to see which ones work this low.
@@StandleyHandcrafted wher me can i get premier 745 wicks?
@@fancymonroe9231 american candle supply has them!
I use 464 and have noticed that with a longer cure my scent changes and I can smell the blend of fragrances better. I have an earl grey and apple blend and at first I can smell the apple but after two weeks it changes and I can smell the tea in it. Have you noticed anything like that?
Why do you have to heat it to 180 first, as it has already melted totally when it’s about 120
Thank you for this! I made my first batch of candles last weekend & added the fragrance at 180 like everything I researched told me to do....and yea...my house smelled great all night, but the candles were boo boo when I went to burn them! 😂 Lesson learned! Subscribing to your channel now! Thanks!
Amber Sepulvado That’s awesome and thank you!
Five years later in this video is still helping candlemakers. Thank you so much!
You’re welcome. I’m glad it’s still helping.
Thank you so much for doing this for us! I use 464 and was so confused with all of it this helps me so much! :)
Thank you for watching, I'm glad it helped. :)
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@@cynthiawilliams3335 Candlewic gives best price
I always leave my soy wax till it's nearly cloudy before adding my oils I find it makes a much better candle but that's my opinion X I have now also gone to flat wicks
I'm so impatient ahh! Made my first soy wax candle with 12% essential oils 36 hours ago. I really want to light it but really want a good throw. I'm unsure of what to do. Smells really good cold but dont want to screw myself over for what it could smell like. I used 4 different scents.
4 scents 😮
I'm brand new to candle making. Your videos have been so informative and helpful. Keep doing what you're doing 🤗
I just tried out two candles, one I poured with hot temp and the other low. Both with 8% of fragrance oil. I feel the candle with lower temp of oil added is stronger. Thanks for this video!!
I make hot process soap and I'm starting to make candles. For hot process soap, I always add my fragrance around 140F to prevent burnoff. You can tell when a fragrance is burning off because you'll smell it a lot in the air. For candles, I don't see why this would be any different. I'll do testing, but I'm likely to stick to adding fragrance to my soy candles at 140F or less as well. Adding fragrance at 160F or higher sounds like a waste to me as I've always had burnoff at those temperatures in my soap.
LollygagSmith That’s exactly why I started to add the oil at much lower temps
Man seeing the GaryVee book in the background makes your whole make sense! I've thought to myself many times "This guy is amazing, he's really just giving away all the best advice" it's nice to see someone actually following Gary's rules for business, you've certainly got a viewer for life with me!
Thank you so much and I love Garyvee!!
Great video. I've found that the cold throw seems to get better with longer cure time. I will definitely test adding at the lower temp. Thanks again...appreciated😊
Hi! What a relief to hear about pouring at low temperatures. I've been taught this way but then I've seen many videos from USA or European candle makers and many of them pour the oils at 180degrees. So, at the beginning I thought it had to do with different type of raw materials, different soy wax. Anyway, it's all about testing. Hi from argentina!
I have found some scents do benefit from a cure time - not in terms of hot throw but in cold throw - which is what can initially sell a candle. For example Frost and Snowdrops from NG does develop a stronger cold throw if left for a week but its hot throw is the same at anytime. When I first added to the range it didn't sell, but after a couple of weeks, people could then smell it and it sold.
Soy and Shea I get a nice cold throw after I add the lids. Usually a day or so it really comes out.
What is cold throw please
GirlyCurlyFries 101 the scent of the candle before it’s burned. Hot throw is the scent while burning.
Have you tried this test on other waxes like the blend you mentioned in other videos? Great video. Answered alot of my questions. I am looking to try vanilla and/or rose oil. I am using essential oils does this change the amount of oil needed per pound?thank you
No it would be about the same. Essential oils don't work as well but it would be the same.
8/12/18 was my 40th birthday so I am sure that one was the best of the bunch!
Thanks for the great information. Why do you heat the wax so high, then let it cool? Why not just heat to 112, then add FO? I have a 100 lb. tank. Can I just set it around 120 degrees to melt the 464 wax? Thanks, again, for the great information.
Yes absolutely. When I heat 2-3lbs at at a time it just happens to get that hot by the time all the wax melts. You don't actually need to go that high if you can avoid it.
Exactly! I totally agree, I feel that you waist precious time waiting for wax to cool unnecessarily.
I am really enjoying your videos, I have been curing my 464 FOREVER and I m glad to see it is not necessary.
mamber1974 I used to give them two weeks and never thought it did much. I had to test this finally. Lol
Totally agree , I have the best scent throw at low temps
Wanted to say thank you for all the great videos and advice!
Donna McCarron You’re welcome and thank you!
Need to make a Cheech and Chong scented candle...... top notes...dirty bandana, mid notes.... oily beard.... bottom notes...... WEEEEEEDDDDDDD !!!!!!..........LOL
I use 464 and melt to 180, mix in my fragrance and color right away, stir for 2 minutes and pour. I have very smooth tops then. And great scent throw with almost all fragrances. I only use a 6% load so I don’t get sweating on top. I think you can overload candles with fragrance oils. I have found some scents do get stronger after time though it does depend on the fragrance.
I haven’t watched yet but I am so excited for this video!
Edit: I have had the same experience with my candles!! I usually let them cure for 48 hours-likely out of superstition-and I don’t notice any difference letting them cure for longer.
If you take requests, I would love to see a video on shipping. I have not yet sold my candles online because I have anxiety over candles breaking in the mail.
Great video as always!
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When you cure are you supposed to leave it open are can you close the candle
When I first starting making candles I didn’t even know what curing was so of course I never did it. I think the longest I’ve ever cured was a couple of days, noticed no difference so I don’t really cure longer than a day or 2
When he said "it's 420, that's funny all on its own.." I had to like and subscribe
Thank you for the excellent advice! It makes so much sense! I'm testing 2 candles now and they have very strong hot throw after 1.5 hours of burning and 30 hours after making them. They also don't have sink holes and I poured them with no special insulating props. With the old technique, the hotter one, I also had the fragrance sink to the bottom. I'm going to apply this advice to soap making as well. Thank you so much!
Lol this is awesome my first batch I made I was going from memory and accidentally added the oil at 135 and the ht is amazing, been wondering about the 180-185 ever since. I did cure for about 10 days but will start testing sooner. So glad I don't have to wait as long 🤗
Very informative...as always! ❤️
Hello your info is so helpful. Do you always test in the bathroom? I test mine in the living room and they do not fill the room my espectectations are high lol
I just found your channel and stumbled on this video first. I then watched your Intro video on your channel and just a heads up but you instructions on your intro video is exactly opposite of this. I know we all learn as we go but you should know that these videos conflict right now. In your intro video you say to pour the oil as hot as possible in order to get the most binding. I'm wondering if that's really true because I don't think oil and wax actually do any binding (molecularly). Anyway, I'm following the advice on this video and wanted to give you a heads up on the intro. Great channel btw!
this is such a great video! A lot of questions I had were answered. Thanks for being so clear. I tried to mix my fragrance around 118-120 degrees . Waited about 24 hours and it had a decent scent throw. I could smell it in my bathroom but wish it was a bit stronger. I added 1 oz of soy friendly CS fragrance to 1lb of 464 soy wax. I am definitely going to try at least 1.5oz of fragrance to a 1lb of wax.. do you think adding 1.8oz of fragrance is too much?
Yes. 10% is max amount
I wonder if you feel that way about coconut soy blends? What about beeswax? I even have some parrafin I was given, and am curious how you feel about parrafin curing.
Thanks for this video. I've been adding at the recommended 185° with 464. I am definitely gonna try 130-110°. Will post my results🙂
Hi!! I just came across your post, do you mind me asking what your results were? (If you remember)
Would be great if I could smell it through my pc monitor.... guess I'll just have to lick the screen........ LOVE ME SOME BANANA BREAD ...... lol
Hi Stanley! ur video was really help but im still confused... i have started making candles and im using soy wax.. i want to give the candles to my family/friends so how long should i let them cure before giving it away... my candles was harden in few hours and i can smell them but should i light them now or wait for few days or a week to let them cure... OR can i tell my family/friends not to lighten the candles for a week? which one do you recommend for me? THANKS.
Your videos are extremely helpful
Thank you do much, I am glad they're helping
You did all the problem shooting for us lol
Awesome video I'm just starting out and this video was very helpful. I've just subscribed to your channel
Thank you so very much this is a big help to a newbie :) I joined your FB group ..( Alexis Wylie :)
Hi Jeff, can you make a video on wood wicks for candle making, like how to determine the right wicks? Thanks :o)
coupon_rican_diva Absolutely, I’ve been wanting to put one together
Thank you Jeff. I knew I could count on you😍🙌💯
coupon_rican_diva 😁
Do you experience less wet spots when pouring cooler? Ppl always comment on them, I'm ready to switch to paraffin. Thanks for doing this, so good to know.
Kellie Borriello You should definitely get fewer wet spots when pouring at lower temperatures. They’re due to the wax shrinking as it cools. 🙂
Does lighting get A-day sooner affected negatively
It depends on the wax and how soon. Within 24 hours is too soon but lighting one on the 6th day as opposed to the 7th day you don’t notice much of a difference.
@@StandleyHandcrafted wow! Thanks for the quick response.. I'm subscribing just for that.. and yes I was asking for 6th day opposed to 7th. THANK YOU! I'm about to light this baby up!
Stanley, where can I find that thermometer seen in this video? Also, have you tried in candles with essential oils? Have a video with how to's on wicks?
April B. I bought this one at Ace hardware. BBQ thermometer
Thank you Standley Handcrafted.The instructions for the soy wax I bought tells me to melt the wax at 200 deg F and add fragrance oil at this temperature.The pouring temp.recommended was 190 deg F.I made my first candle.I can smell the scent but can't really tell if the scent would be strong if the fragrance was added at lower temp.I would try adding fragrance at lower temp.and see the difference.Thank you Standley once again.You are absolutely amazing.
I’m having trouble with scent throw with Bw-921, started using “The Alex Method” but it’s only working for certain scents, other scents aren’t giving off a good HT, CT is amazing no matter what I do. Do you recommend letting them cure longer than 48hours to see if it’s increases them? Any tips from anyone using this wax also would be helpful.
Heating to 160-Adding FO/Color at 150-Pouring around 140.
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing your testing and knowledge. Very much appreciated. 👍😃
This is amazing. THANK YOU!
Thank you :)
hi! youre the first one i see talking about adding 12%, i’ve seen most people talking about 6%. i’m kind of curious about why.
Im also curious too because i thought 10% was the highest to not prevent sweating
Different waxes can take higher /lower fragrance load amounts - typically between 7-12%. You need to check what the amount is for the specific type of fragrance you are using ;)
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I learned more about candle making then just curing time length.
But if i ket my wax cool to 130 its thich and creamy not liquud, and a mess to pour....I have to pur at about 140-150 thats were I add my FO at around 140 150.....im very neww so I have not burn tested yet
464 is the only wax you can let cool down like this. It will still be very clear at those temps unlike other waxes.
Heating and pouring hotter is less tricky though.
What temp do you add your color to the wax. Would it be at the same temp you add your fragrance? 110 degrees? I have Ecosoya Q230 soy wax from candle science. Thank you
I add mine at 140-160 then fragrance 120-140 max. Hope that helps! Stans the man!
Hi so I add my fragrances to soy wax at 130-140 degrees and I pour at 120degrees I use 3 oz jars and 1mm waxed wicks I get the fragrance 1 ft away 😔☹️ can you hel pplease
I would try a. Couple different wicks and also your oil percentage. For soy I add 8%
Thank you so much for this video. Very helpful for me.
Would you say this is the same for melts? I’m using eco soya pillar blend adding 12% FO and my ht is rubbish. I’ve added at high and low temps. I feel like I must be doing something wrong
What brand wooden wicks are you using?
I wanted to know if you need to cure a candle or not! I don't wanna watch a 13min video to find out.
lol
Which is the best wax for making candles
Thank you for sharing. When is the best time to fix sink holes with a heatgun is it after 24 hrs when the wax is completely solidified or after the 3 days curing time?
Can you lit your candle before 24 hours ?
Hi great videos , can I mix 464 with paraffin wax to a more smooth candle? I also notice that my bath and body candles 14.5oz solidifies more quicker than my 464 soy wax how is that?
I'm guessing 7 to 10 days should be okay then I use 464
I purchased GW444 to make soy candles. Are the temps the same for adding the FO and pouring? I’m a beginner and have not poured my first candle yet. Thank you in advance for your response and advice. Thank you for your video. Many blessings to you.
Yes, the temps should be exactly the same and those are good temps for almost all waxes honestly.
Standley Handcrafted Thank you, thank you, thank you! I SO appreciate your response! There is so much info and so many opinions on YT and on the internet, it’s incredibly confusing! Is 464 better than 444? Again, a beginner here. Thank you in advance, I would appreciate knowing why? Blessings to you!
What size wood wick are you using ?
Kenzie Butt I used a medium wood wick from Lone Star Candle Supply.
I’ve attempted this a night ago, and my candles heavily frosted at the tops. Do you usually get smooth tops with this method or do you have to fix your tops? I too use fragrances and wax from candle science but I found that pouring at 130 is the sweet spot to eliminating the frosted tops but scent throw can vary.
Is that temperature best to pour at for coconut wax and soy blend? 🙏
Pour at 43 Celsius for perfect tops,just have the jars at room temperature or even heated a bit.
Good luck
What scents have given you the best hot throws? Feel free to list as many as you want ..Thank you
Stanley how do you blend dry flower with Soy wax?
Thanks I've been watching your videos for about a week and my daughters and I are going to make our first candle. Thanks so much your videos are awesome
Thankyou and good luck with the first one! :)
Just a question: What would be the issues if my soy candles haven't fully hardened in almost 24 hours?
Most often there is too much oil added.
Yes, it happened to me once in the beginning, I poured the slush back into the melter and added more wax, re-melted and poured again.
Great video! How long should the candles be stored before selling to the customers. For example, can I make the candles a week in advance before I sell them?
Thank you for this great tip. But how do we know which scents are pro-soy wax ? There are hundreds of them.
err could not smell it! 😂
Do you pre-heat your jars first? Thank you so much for the informative video!
Kyla Smith Thank you! I’ve never been a fan of heating my jars. It slows down the cooling process and I’m not worried about the wet spots anymore.
Please can you confirm if you are doing it in degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit
shelley travers Fahrenheit
I absolutely love this video info ❤ thanks for sharing ❤ now I wonder what room temperature should it be I was testing with this wax during the winter and my candles went all wrong and I felt completely frustrated 😢 I'm going to use all this information for the future actually for this weekend that I'm going to be testing. Thanks 🙏
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