Jeff & Sye Arguing with Millennials
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2018
- Don't miss this powerful conversation. Jeff and Sye Ten Bruggencate were at Arizona State University where they had this conversation with some millennial College students.
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Yes
Yes
How can you have reliable induction with miracles?
I was abandoned at birth and then adopted because my biological parents couldn’t support me. I have had such a beautiful life. I’m so appreciative of the life God gave me and the opportunity to live.
Victhe FlicK amen I thank God Amen
Same with my husband!!! I am Soo Grateful for His Life and all those who supported him!!! And I thank God for the Gift of him (his name means Gift from God!)
Sad....
My mother and aunts as well!
My mother tried to abort me 4 times and God intervened every time. My life was rough until I gave myself completely to God and now I truly am grateful to God for saving me again.
God Bless,Zachariah
How didn’t it work
You are precious in God’s eyes.
Your name shows that you are blessed
Good grief that's amazing. Praise to Yahweh.
God bless you zachariah. However, now that God has saved your life four times before birth and probably numerous times after, what are you doing for Jesus christ?
Being a woman who had an abortion when I was young, an on drugs,my feelings were simply I knew I couldnt take care of that baby.
I was young and fallen away. I wonder now every day what my child woulda been and how beautiful my life woulda been. At 17 I was allowed to do this with no explanation. I'm just so sorry and I'm so glad I have a Father who is forgiving and has my child in his arms now and I'll see it again. I'm sick of the excuses. Murder is murder.
Jack Winn Colorists Tribe 1986 Amen, sister.
Me too.. and people don’t talk about that part .. I had abortions 25 years ago and planned parenthood lies to u.. we didn’t have google and RUclips... if I did I honestly don’t think I would of gave in..I knew in my heart it was a baby and wrong but I believed them to extent.. and I was pressured to do it.... 2 in and 1 out and though I walked out it’s like my heart broke and stayed with my babies bc I was never the same ..I killed my babies .. and that killed me inside.. and sent me down a spiral of self hatred.. that took years and years to recover.. Jesus let me know my babies are in Heaven...I killed more than 1.. I really really wish it wasn’t a option then or now.. bc even though I know without doubt my babies in Heaven happy... it doesn’t change what I did to them.. I Thank Jesus for his mercy and grace.. I thought I was going str8 to Hell for years I was terrified but knew I deserved it but Jesus forgave me and I believe my babies forgave me too but it still hurts me.. bad.. 🥺✝️🙏❤️
Not only did GOD forgive us, but I believe we'll see our babies in Heaven **hugs**
If you don't want a baby.....then dont do the act that causes pregnancy irresponsibly . Not that hard to prevent. Common sense.
Matthew Bond Unless using contraceptives of some sort?
Matthew Bond Nope. Not what I said at all. Notice I said irresponsibly.
Matthew Bond It would be interesting to look at numbers and see how many abortions actually come from married couples. I dont have those numbers so maybe im wrong but my guess is that is a very small percent of abortions.
Matthew Bond yes they should not have sex if they’re unwilling to take the responsibility of accidentally getting pregnant! Why is that so hard to understand?
Erik Bakker well, you can’t say that person was having sex irresponsibly.
I would love to see Jeff and Sye on The Joe Rogan Experience defending pro-life and the Biblical world-view.
Bryan McNair genius. I know Joe. I'll suggest it.
Rick McGhee Joe only debates against “soft targets”.
Pete Orta no, he only debates??? He may seem to have a strong opinion, but when facts are thrown into the mix, Joe really tries to understand. I'm texting him tomorrow.
Rick McGhee - I think Joe is very intelligent and knowledgeable on most topics, but his view on Christianity, when he does discuss it, it’s never with someone who can “actually “ defend it. Durban would be a good guest to have.
He went on Shapiro and forgot to bring his balls....he would probably wimp out and do the same thing on Rogans show
Jeff, these two young adults, while I disagree with them, actually seemed to be sincere and open to the truth. Very nicely done my friend.
Certainly nice to hear a respectful conversation involving two opinions
Jeff is so unbelievably patient and kind. Knowing that he is dealing with the brainwashed youth, he gives the truth in little trickles and hints and positively compliments them along the way so it's hard to get beat him rationally. Sye on the other hand is the hard edge truth giver. No time wasting at all. Cut straight to the truth. Love both of them equally.
"I took a womens studies class" -Oh, sorry to hear that
Yea really!!
She should have taken underwater basket weaving it has more applicability.
Interested in your deep thoughts on why that is objectionable.
Haha I said the same comment 😆
😂😂😂
Handled so well. I pray I grow into that level of maturity to deal with people lovingly and respectful
I do too! I’m trying so hard to be more patient with what I consider to be ignorance, it’s so hard lol. The Lord is helping me tho. I’m making progress
“It’s obviously a human, but I don’t see it as a human.” This is the type of logic you must resort to be okay with murder. 🤣
Rouvark correct me if I’m wrong but a Christian world view leads to parents disowning children for being gay. Or sending them to some BS conversion therapy. Or treating them like dirty sinners that are hell bound, so a Christian worldview can fuck right off. Secular morality is superior.
Assuming all Christians share the same stance on something is simply wrong.
Not all Christians would disown their children for being homosexual, nor do all Christian's "hate" gay people. True Christian's believe "don't hate the sinner, hate the sin", alot of people call themselves Christians to make themselves seem like good people. But theres a big difference between calling yourself a Christian and actually being a Christian.
you are ignoring the issue of the stage of pregnancy. Is a week-old fetus JUST as fully human as a newborn baby?
@@keef5 not all Christians are like that. you shouldn't assume things like that. rather, you should be asking if Christians are like that not assuming that they are like that. My mother is loving patient and kind and although I'm not gay and don't see myself or my siblings ever heading into that area, she would not abandon us. she would talk to us, try to find the underlying reason why there was such a drastic change. Ye, she wouldn't accept it, but she wouldn't resort to such cruel measures. In the end, every single Christian and person on this earth is a sinner. even the pope. no one is perfect. But if you seek Jesus... repent and trust him, you can turn away from those sins. She would try to make us see that message in the most gentle way she could.... doing what Jesus would do because God still loves us... he just hates the sin.
The parents who do that sort of thing... I wouldn't say that they aren't Christians because no one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. We each have our own journeys with christ that we'll finish at different times. Isn't it weird how we rarely get to see their perspectives on the matter. And... if they truly love their children then deep down they must be regretting their decisions.
Assuming is one of the biggest mistakes I've made throughout my short 16 years of life. Because I don't know what goes on in other people's lives... all I did was pick out the negative opinions or facts that I heard and made it the whole story. It doesn't have to be that way... and you know it really helps to try and see through the other persons' eyes.
I'm sorry that my reply ended up being so long but i hope you have a nice day or night and may God bless you . :)
Paperflower it doesn’t matter if not all Christians are like that. One person who holds those views because of their religious ideals is one too many.
Jeff is a wordsmith. He could sell salt to slug if wanted to but instead he uses his gifts to spread love. Respect.
He's not spreading love, he's spreading lies and hate, he's also a hypocrite.
Did you mean snake oil salesman? He's a street preacher, spreading a homiletic dressed up as an apologetic Leno's JayWalking segment. He demeans other traditions as 'cults,' which is just an analytically effete word used to demonize 'bad' religion. He transforms the Great Commission into the Great Exhaustion. He spits in your face, then insists you wipe it with a TULIP. He carves 'trinitarian Christian' into the public park bench. He obnoxiously insists that you're borrowing his presuppositions, as if reason isn't a shared human faculty. Blah, blah, blah.
@@brittanylewandowski6200 What he says is true. Jesus loves you.
@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua Jesus isn't real. He's fiction, so it's the bible.
@@brittanylewandowski6200 Sorry for writing an essay at you, that’s my fault, I’m really bad at keeping things brief. I hope you can read through what I’ve said slowly at least once and know I am not trying to win over you in a fight, only trying to help you because I’ve been in your shoes.
That is just rhetoric which you can buy into because of your disposition towards God.
To say that the person of Jesus Christ and the entirety of The Bible is fiction only shows that you’ve been failed and lied to by many people, and even yourself since this is a falsehood which can be easily corrected with the lightest amount of research on your part. The vast majority of reputable historians accept that Jesus was a real person and that the historical narratives in The Bible are at the very least an accurate account of what its writers truly believed to have occurred. This is not a position you need to argue against because you can accept these facts while continuing to reject Christ and insist his followers simply lied… and even so, insisting they were liars and not just mistaken will force you to jump through hoops intellectually because them lying makes no sense given how they behaved in life after Christ’s resurrection. The fact that you have such strong opinions and emotions about Christ and Jeff’s words while blindly accepting this blatant myth that Jesus isn’t real, a myth basically on the same level as “quicksand is deadly” and “bears sleep all winter”, shows me that the only reason you’ve managed to avoid overcoming this misconception is because you’ve simply festered in your feelings about God, Jesus, and The Bible without doing even a base level amount of research.
I mean no disrespect to you and I hope you will respect me by not snapping back and calling me a liar or dismissing what I’ve told you outright. In fact I don’t think you and I should even debate what I’ve said because I cannot prove anything to you, this is something only you can study and decide over time. I do not know you, it’s quite possible you grew up in the church or were close to professing christians since childhood. Even if this is your experience, what you’ve said here plainly shows that despite your experience in church and with Christians you simply do not have even the most basic foundation of knowledge to begin studying Christ and The Bible. I did not grow up with any Christians in my life and I became atheist when I was about 12. Today I am 22 and I am the only Christian I know outside of my church. This is not something I came to believe because of emotion or a desire for it to be true. In fact I was a militant atheist who was basically forced over time to accept that Christ is God because that is he reality which confronted me plainly after many years of study trying to expound upon the studies of other atheists.
So, in my pursuit of truth trying to disprove Christ’s identity I discovered He was not only reliable but also the foundation of truth and intelligibility. In tandem God’s existence was plainly revealed to me as an obvious reality which I had been blinded to before. Your kind of atheism/rejection of Christianity isn’t even Level 1. It’s just a total lie which you can accept because it’s just easy.
Again I am sorry to overwhelm you with words. I say all this out of love for you because I’ve been in your position before and I know the consequences of believing what you do. There is so much more for you to know. If you want to just be honest with yourself all you need to do is forget everything you think you know about Christ because your current position is one of extreme ignorance. Every person is ignorant about most everything, we can only know a small fraction of knowledge accumulated by humanity as a whole, the least we can do is identify where and how we’re ignorant so that we can refrain from forming opinions on topics we know so little about. If you let your feelings drive your beliefs then you’re going to have a very hard time figuring out what is true and what is not.
Wow! So gracefully done. A nice and calm, intellectual discussion over an act so barbaric is rare. Well done fellas!
Matthew Bond : Killing an innocent human life.
Matthew Bond: No Matthew, that is most definetly not how I would frame it. That is not at all what "I mean", when I'm talking about an innocent life, child, human.
Matthew Bond : I don't frame it like that because I don't believe that children are parasites, I believe they are a gift, and a responsibility.
I would say that it's my spirituality, not necessarily my religion, that has helped me move away from such a desensitized view point- such as the one you've illustrated.
I don't think it's "cool", that the first born in Egypt were killed- and I don't fully understand it, but I'm not sure I understand how that equates into the situation I was referring to, which is whether or not human beings should be killing babies.
Matthew Bond : fe·tus
ˈfēdəs
noun
an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.
synonyms: embryo, unborn baby/child.
Matthew Bond : I believe, from conception, once DNA is encoded, you have an unborn child, fetus is even listed synonymous with "unborn baby/child" If I'm being inconsistent I apologize.
And no, I don't understand God's intention to a complete degree, I'm only human. I suppose if you want to call that a cope out you obviously can.
As far as God ending life, that's up to him, he gives all life, he can take it as he wants. I understand we disagree Matthew, but I hope you have a good day man, prayers for you and your family.
Jeff’s point is continuity here, plainly unchanging across the board. It’s a pure contradiction to say you are for human rights for everyone, but then also support abortion. Killing a baby violates the basic human rights of the child. It’s a convenience factor for the person who has an abortion. It’s nothing more than our sinful nature. Jeff is of course compelled by the gospel of Christ to inspire people to see the value of all human life. Thanks Apologia Studios and Church for all you do spreading the gospel!!!
a zygote is not a human being
Dogma Slayer an eagle egg isn’t an eagle (according to that logic) but it’s against the law to smash one.
an egg inst an eagle according to biology either
Dogma Slayer stupid
Dogma Slayer but if I smash one, I get arrested...kind of should be telling you quite a bit, don’t you think?
The baby might not go to a good home so let's just kill it. I don't understand that logic.
You do understand it, you just don't agree with it.
There’s couples who can’t have babies and would love the opportunity to have one of these babies
@FearlessAstridHofferson So killing them and taking away any chance at life is better? Even starving people in Africa prefer to exist than not, as it's the first world that has such a rampant suicide problem, taking the lives given to them and their children for granted. It's pathetically short-sighted and shallow to think that death is a better alternative. Give the child agency for God's sake.
If you agree with killing your baby then you are playing God..
Depending on the stage of development Elijah it cannot be classed as a baby it is a fetus and trying to call it a baby is just trying to appeal to emotions. Although I do not personally like abortions, who am I to decide what someone else is allowed to do with their own bodies?
I love listening to this pastor, his communication skills and how he talks is so top notch. I wish I was like that lol
Glad I watched this. As a mother who has lost two fetuses in the 6/7 th week of pregnancy due to early miscarriage, these issues hit close to home. As soon as I found out I was pregnant both times I knew they were just as human and real as my two live kiddos. It breaks my heart to hear some of the things these young people are saying. Hopefully their hearts and minds will be renewed.
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@Abi Thomason So true. I love that you named him because I think that’s really important in the healing/grieving process. I also named mine- Faye & Damian. ❤️❤️
@@charlynwoolley8896 this is fact! It needs to be made a LOT more available as knowledge and a test. So many women, and married couples, don't even know about this.
@Truth Teller yes, I agree. I did lose two babies.
I am a sophomore in college right now who is also a Christ follower, and this was very interesting to watch. I also find it really cool how they seem like they want to have a conversation rather than crash what Jeff is saying down.
its amazing how cold and inhumane people have become in these last days. Very sad to see I pray they find Jesus Christ
I almost fell into the abortion trap. Asa millennial, I was pro choice, even after 3 kids up until 2 years ago. Jeff and Ben Shapiro changed my mind easily. One video and I was changed. Thank you. ❤️❤️❤️ Facts didn’t care about my feelings. 🙌
As an ordained minister (who works in pro wrestling on the side), myself, I have to say that your skills of engaging in conversation & debate are absolutely outstanding. Keep up the great, great work; and may God bless you & yours.
The Lord has truly blessed Jeff with wisdom and gentleness of speech. He didn't throw out verses left and right, condemn or try to win an argument. He listened to the man and woman's viewpoint, followed up with some questions, then gave them some things to consider by giving them his viewpoint. Very well done.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using Gods scripture to witness to the lost, matter of fact, its encouraged by God.
LOVE that you are going to college campuses! Please keep these coming!
This is exactly where the action should be taken. As this is where the 'progressive' brainwashing is being perpetrated by the sinful. Re-educate the brainwashed under the 'professors and teachers' who are destroying our children's understanding of right and wrong.
I can't stand the fallacy about Foster care being poorly managed as a reason for Abortion. I've heard women say "I would feel guilty about putting my child up for adoption" that's so disgusting that they think it's worse to give a child up than to kill that child. The fallacy is they are more worried about a child growing up and being upset at their parents giving them up for adoption then killing it because they can't hear the thoughts of a dead baby being upset about it being killed. Once it's dead it can't show that it is upset about your choice so it's ok.
So sad.
True Christian It is selfish
What is disgusting is premarital sex hipocrite.
Who told you life was supposed to be fair?
I am ashamed of my generation, just listening to this conversation alone. Thank you all at Apologia (Community?) Church for thine pro-life work.
Jacob Carpenter don’t be. My children are your generation. I love your generation. It is so much harder to stand up for good when all around you says what is evil is good. In my generation abortion was not just so easily accepted, and yet it’s my generation that fought for the rights of woman to have them. Your generation has your work cut out for you, it seems. Stay strong. 🙂
Those 2 young adults had some light bulbs lighting up in their heads
What a lovely conversation this ended up being! They seem like nice kids and open to new views. I’m sure you guys made an impact on this day.
I just had a baby, the second month you can already hear a heart beat. You can feel your baby flutter/kick in your stomach in the second trimester. I look at my two week old son and I cry of how happy I am to have him. I miss him when I’m just in the kitchen cooking. I check every day and night to see if he’s breathing.
I am adopted and I am so grateful for my mother who adopted me. She brought me up with love, care and compassion. I thank the Lord that I have a life to live for and I can to see everyday day to live with God as my father I never had . Amen
God Bless Apologia Studios and their Pastors!!! 🙏🙏🙏
DJ Anthony A god probely will not do that.
Why bother watchin, then?
@@gertscheper9653 learn how to spell peasant
He said its a little women that needs my protection... that broke my heart, because yes they are, as Christians we believe they all need protection, yes, amen and amen, praise God, i hope this settles in there hearts and changes their minds
Randycadkins Yes! I got teary when he said that.
How many babies have you adopted?
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 irrelevant. Either answer Doesn't negate the statement they made.
@@golem4892
Irrelevant?
You are part of the problem if you aren’t part of the solution.
Deeds not words.
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 D'okay? What are you doing? As in, have you adopted any kids? Seriously I'm just curious (and if you have then that's great!)
“It’s obviously human......but I don’t see it as human” how did he not understand his own hypocrisy?!?!
Wise in their own eyes....A fools curse!!!
Jeff and Sye you guys are great! Love your soft and compassionate approach! Keep up the great work! God is with you!
If a woman can have an abortion without the man's consent then it stands to reason that a man can also "abort" his responsibility toward the child and not have to pay child support if the mother decides to have the baby. I don't agree with that but equal rights are equal rights. When a child is conceived men have a legal obligation toward's that child but women can kill it if they want. I'm surprised I've never heard anyone challenge that.
Fathers have obligations to their kids that they should not be allowed to shirk. Mothers have responsibilities that they should not be allowed to shirk by killing their babies. No parents have the right to kill their babies.
because the key difference in cases of child support is that the child is actually born and being raised as a functioning member of society. If a man doesn't want to be on the hook for child support, he has to ensure that he doesn't get his partner pregnant by accident, or offer to pay for an abortion if she gets pregnant anyways.
@@wylier So then you are saying that if the man has an "accident" he has no right to walk away from the situation. But if a woman has an accident she is still free to do as she pleases with the situation.
Let's take this a step further. What if the man did not have an accident and the pregnancy was intentional and he fully intends to care for the child. But then the woman changes her mind and decides to have an abortion. Does the man have a right to prevent the abortion? After all, there was no irresponsibility on the man's part.
@@sammyspaniel6054 in that scenario, the man can try to persuade his partner to have the baby, but the ultimate choice would be hers to make. Keep in mind that the reverse scenario also happens often - sometimes the pregnant woman actually wants to keep it, but her partner or close family pressures her into aborting.
@@wylier I think the point you are missing is that the choice is still ultimately the woman's and not the man's. A partner or close family member putting "pressure" on the woman still does not take away her right by law to do as she pleases. But the man never has the right to do as he pleases. If she decides to abort or keep the child he has no legal authority to stop her. That's my point and that's why abortion laws are cruel to men. Often times a man who wants to raise his son or daughter must instead watch the mother kill him/her. That's cruel.
Hey Pastor Jeff I appreciate your grace filled words and dignified loving way you can confront an opposing worldview. Very few would be willing or able to have a fruitful conversation with young millennial students as you did here. I believe the challenges you posed will not return void.excellent work,praise God!
this is the most polite and civil "argument" i've ever witnessed. lol
Jeff is a wonderful example of truth in love. This is wonderful.
When my mother was 4 months pregnant with me she had cancer. The doctors were wanting to abort me because they thought my mother's brain would rupture. They also wanted to take her tounge out she said "I've never had problems having babies and I want my tongue to praise the Lord
Good for your mom! Does she have cancer currently?❤
My mom left to the abortion clinic while pregnant with me, little did she know she had a praying mama at home. My nana didn’t know what was going on, why my mom was going to out of town all of sudden, she only knew that God had her hit her knees and pray. When she arrived at the abortion clinic, there were protesters there, most of which that were very passive, one woman approached my mom courageously and put a cross necklace in her and very seriously said “Do NOT do this, God has a plan for her!” (only by word of knowledge did she know I was a going to be a girl) my mom still went inside, as she was on the operating table they couldn’t find a vein for the needle to go into because she ruined her veins with drugs while she was young, she kept telling them that doctors always have to put it in her leg or the vein on her boob but they refused to do it, and referred her to another clinic that was far out of her range. My mom decided not to go through with it, after she told my nana what she had tried to do, my nana told her that she already knew because God had her pray. Then my mom repented and rejoiced 😇❤️ now I’m her best friend, who’s fully in love with God and he’s my only desire. The devil knew that I had a call on my life and he tried to prevent it many times. But my God is mighty and he saved me❤️
It’s amazing that this guy can have a really civil conversation about a really tough subject! God bless you Jeff and Sye.
@Apologia Studio Thank you for standing in the gap and preaching these truths. Glory be to the Lord.
It obviously is human, but I don't see it as human, so it makes it easier to abort it at that point.
There you go.
J Hankins it’s not scientific fact. If by baby you mean it’s own person scientist don’t have a clear answer as argue over this. Most would agree when it forms a brain and a nerve system
J Hankins J Hankins science still don’t classify it as its own human being tho.
And DNA doesn’t write itself it’s RNA that does that. And we have created DNA by just mixing chemicals. You don’t need god
Dylan Dawkins, wouldn't someone else just point out that the example you gave of us making DNA implies that an intelligent mind was necessary in order for that experiment to be done? The only way a true experiment would match the claim that nothing created something, one would have to allow nothing to perform the action again, without the help of an intelligent mind, in order to verify that something can come into existence out of nothing.
Until that kind of experiment is done, a person can never come to the conclusion that you don't need God.
Bi0Dr01d
It was done with leaving chemicals in a control environment similar to earths billions of years ago and letting them mix on there own. No human help was needed
Dylan Dawkins did an intelligent mind put those chemicals in a controlled environment to test?
According to how you might see things, or according to the claim of your worldview, was there an intelligent mind to put these things in order billions of years ago?
Therefore in order for the scientific test to match a scenario where there is no intelligent mine, why not just leave everything alone as it is, where it is, and watch it create a car for example, which is not nearly as complex as the universe, and not try to recreate conditions using an intelligent mind?
"it's human but I don't see it as human" -Pro Choice (Pro Death)
Jeff discusses with humility. God bless your work brother!
Jeff always does such a great job with these interviews...
Please post more of these!!
Love it. Sye and Jeff
This is a great, high quality interaction! Points scored for Team Apologia!
Jeff I commend the engaging, Christlike example you set for the world in this video. You were kind, respectful, and personal. You listened, without passing judgment, to what these kids had to say when you asked them to express their views. You developed rapport by relating to them as people, which allowed you to ask them some difficult questions without putting them on the defensive. And you (and Sye) did a fantastic job of pointing them toward Jesus because -- as with the unborn -- you believe they were created with inherent value in God's image. And you proved it...not by words...but by action. The reason your words held any meaning for these misguided youth, is because you loved them in deed and truth when you spoke. I am encouraged by this video, and your faithfulness to the Living Christ, King Jesus of Nazareth, who is the great hope for all of us who have believed. Thank you, my brother!
I don't buy the whole "it's a life when it's viable outside the womb" thing, considering that scientific advancement is allowing the extraction to be done earlier and earlier, which shows how logically inconsistent that argument is.
Spend some time in a NicU and take a look at the 20wk olds barely clinging to life, full of drugs living second to second filled with pain any misery. You may change your opinion on what is viable outside the womb
This world is disgusting. I am longing for the second coming. Just bring it on..NOW!!!
Matthew Bond God is beyond patient because he'll is that serious God doesn't want anybody to go there but ppl choose to go there by denying God. Its a very serious thing.
Matthew...It appears you are more interested in defending or arguing your position then having a dialogue. I notice on both sides it becomes more about winning a debate or showing one party can out duel another. My question is always a few things a) are you sincere about God revealing Himself too you? (If not then there is no evidence or truth you will accept). If the answer is no, then skip the rest of this b). If you are genuine in God revealing Himself too you, what evidence would you accept? c) if God is who He says he is, do you know what He says about how you can find Him? d) this last question is for anyone, if our creator is maker of all things and has infinite knowledge and understanding, and we are limited at best, then a question I even ask myself is two fold and similar too the above question "do I understand how and why He chooses too reveal Himself to His creation. Secondly, at what point is a created being above His creator.
All of those questions are for someone who wants to search and find out if there is a God, but rather for someone who is sincere in considering both sides.
Lastly, I posted as I find maybe 1 out of a 100 are really open too finding out how God states He reveals Himself too His creation. The other people are only wanting to argue or support posistions. Ive never found truth accepted when people are only concerned with defending a position.
If we Christians are wron, and we just die and o into the round, we have lost nothing; if you are wrong, you spend an eternity in hell. Is it worth that kind f gamble?
Matthew Bond if Allah/Mohammed is the god then I would rather be in hell than with him. It is pretty easy if you think about. Some religions are pretty easy to say they are just bad. Islam is one of those and could be answered by “would I leave my 6 year old daughter alone with Mohammed?” Yes, there is only one that can be true. There can’t all be true at the same time, they might have some truth in them, but not entirely true. Yashua said to look at the evidence, look at the cost and decide, he did not force anyone as other religions do. People are worshiping something all the time : rocks, money, women, possessions, career, people, government, kings, dictators, the pope, you name it.
Matthew Bond God doesn’t do all the work reveling himself. People who don’t seek Him and don’t believe in Him is what He calls a “heathen” and a “fool”
Probably the most well thought out, respectful, and convincing discussion on this topic I've seen on this channel specifically and on RUclips in general. I love how the young man had an "aha" moment! Maybe it was a sign that people were more open to thinking through these things 5 years ago compared to even 3 years ago or today, but man I pray that there's more young people like these two!
This is why we need to go out and talk to people about abortion. Most people are entirely inconsistent in their position and they don't even know it. God bless you guys. Love this ministry.
These kids seemed open minded I pray our brothers planted some seeds there.
I would give these people more credit if they would just come to except that they are killing humans in a tiny stage... just call it what it is instead of trying to sugarcoat it all the time.
Sofia Bravo
Humans dress up sin
Sofia Bravo well said.
The Bible says, God saw us even as embryo,
@@BakjeLeip an embryo and a sperm are two different organisms. Sperm are single-celled organisms. Ebryos are human.
@@BakjeLeip my finger is not a human just as a sperm is not a human.
It's always the same. These young women who argue for it, would never do themselves,
but when I was younger they convinced me & I regret it to this day!
Those kids were about the most receptive and able to have a dialogue ive seen on this channel so far perhaps there is hope for the future
The world has gone so far away from what God the creator of humans has designed for love of a baby
Psalm. 139. In the bible
Say "like" one more time!
A person above counted. It was 133 times.
I dare you. I double dog dare you mother father!
What a great conversation with these young kids. Thank you guys for engulfing the culture and sharing with the world. I’m praying that the Lord would use your words to convict their conscience and that their eyes would be open to the truth.
I love Jeff Durbin, so much love for the world. I pray I can love strangers half as much as he does!
I love how Sye (I think that’s his name) brings up ‘Who gives women rights?’ And where he goes with it. It’s spot on.
Great witnessing of the Truth Gentlemen, Yahweh be praised!
More videos like this! Loved the civil back and forth!
Excellent. Many thanks & prayers to you all fighting the good fight!
Cell division is life. Human cell division is human life.
SAD FLEA simple!
Cell division is a single piece of what constitutes life. Human cell division is a single piece of what constitutes human life
No its grass murder
It's so hard for people to differentiate "living" from "nonliving." Except in any junior high level textbook. People are in denial. And they expect that if they throw an insult in with their comment they will be presumed by others to be intelligent. Amateurish.
The 'like' count when they speak is, 133.
I love you guys. It usually gets more out of hand than this, but this was a grown up, compassionate, caring conversation. This has been your best example of bringing the gospel, with a well reasoned , well rounded view of bringing the good news; that I have seen. Good job!!😊
Jeff im really thinking about moving to AZ just to join ur church and go along on your journeys. Your approach to reaching people to see the truth of god is amazing. God bless you.
4:10 He says its human but I dont see it as a human. wow
Marcus Calhoun I was just about to comment that, glad some one else did.
The placenta has the same number of dna coded proteins as the embryo does, so does that mean we give the placenta as many rights as a person with stage four brain cancer
The placenta is an exact duplicate to the embryo in ever way. Does a zygote have brain and nervous system, does a blastulation have lungs and nervous system no. I forgot i'm talking to people who cherry pick opinions ie. Christians. Here some facts 600 laws of Moses and not one mention of abortion nor does the bible condemn it . 20 % of all pregnancy end in a spontaneous abortion. Since you believe in all powerful sky wizard who has control of everyone's life that would make your god the biggest abortionist of all time
God does have control of everyone's life. As a result of the fall, He had passed judgement on all so that 100% of them would experience death in this World. If the bodies we have are ours and we should be able to do whatever we want with them, which we can't, then why can't God who has created everything through, by, and for Him do whatever he wants with all that is His? Regardless, whats wrong with God doing whatever he wants?
“It’s human, but I don’t see it as one” sounds oddly like what a slave owner would say...There simply isn’t an ethical stance on which abortion can rest.
When she said
"I took a woman studies class"
I knew what they both were going to say
Such a wise conversation. Thank you for sharing and inspiring.
Please believe in faith with me, Brothers and Sisters in Christ, that I may be completely released from the once addiction of LUST OF THE FLESH as, I believe I cannot move on in faith and truth by belief in God via the Holy Spirit, until this is completely rectified in focus and intent, through the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit! I am getting better at this, please know this...BUT...it needs to be completely out of my heart Spirit and life 100%. Thank you Christians so much for reading! Powerful, wise honest Holy Spirit driven video here, great work Brothers, people need to know the truth!
If I hear this boy say "like" one more time Im cutting off the video
I hate that too!!!!
Morality in this world is so sad. I lament this every day. The next discussion will be putting the elderly to sleep.
May God bless pastor Jeff and Sy everyday until and for all eternity.
I love this! God bless you and keep fighting the Good fight. Millenials need to know that there is no conflict between Science and Faith.
I don't know that I have the control over my face like Jeff does, because I know any time someone says, "I took a women's studies class too..." I get a little cringe-y...
And also the "I dont wanna hive the baby up for adoption but will kill it" thing...that's mind blowing
This is how people should debate by talking and listening a great example of why conversations are so important, both sides listening to each other and not attacking or raising their voices/temper, well done to both sides a pleasure to be a fly on the wall for this
Sye is a force to be reckoned with. I learned so much from his debates
"It's obviously a human um but I don't see it as a human"
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You guys are amazing I listen to you guys talk to these kids; I am very impressed, and inspired. Keep up the good work, fight the good fight; you're definitely doing God's work. Praise the Lord, and you have my prayers.
Excellent discussion Jeff! I pray we could have more thoughtful and rational exchanges like this in this country. One small step at a time!
7:04 - If I'm correct, in the case of Power of Attorney, a person decides to allow someone else to make decisions on his behalf. That would be very different in the case of a fetus, who isn't in the position to make that decision. Excellent video, wow.
Correct. I work in the court system and a power of attorney can only be signed by a competent mind.
Unbelievable what millennial College students believe.
muslims believe the same as Christians do on this topic.
Post millenials are the ones in college now. Millenials have children... and debt. 😅
This wasn't an argument at all. This was a very respectful conversation with people sharing ideas. I'm very proud of these young people for their openness. We definitely need more of this, and less screaming and condemnation.
God bless and protect these brave men and the unborn children. Amen! 🙏
That kid looks like Ben Shapiro's lil brother
"It's obviously human, but I don't see it as human." ???
Wonderful talk, it's nice to see Sye come along.
I love the “Christian” kindness Jeff shows these young still developing humans!
"Women's studies" 😂
What's funny about that? She's taking womens studies.
Feminism classes.
Thanks for all the Awesome Videos Jeff. Quick question what would you say to some one who says that Mary was sinless besides Romans 3:23
1 John 1:8
Romans 3:10
Deafening Bear the Roman Catholic tradition that Mary was sinless.....comes from the false assumption that since Jesus was sinless then so would his mother. But if that’s the case then every single ancestor she had who have to be sinless (grandmother, great grandmother and so on). It’s a ridiculous stance
Hello there. In Luke 1:42 Mary calls God her "Savior" - only those who have sinned and deserved justice from Holy God would need a savior (that would be everyone actually :>). Also in Luke 2:24 - Mary and Joseph offered a sacrifice in Jerusalem - a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons as the law of Moses commands to do: "the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean" -vide Leviticus 12:8. There would have not be any point of that, if she had been sinless I presume.
Correct me I'm wrong, but that seems like coherent argumentation, although Rom 3:23 remains unambiguous
"Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.' (2Tim 2v23)
That young man has a very special heart. He will be a good father some day
This was a brilliant discussion to listen to. No arguing. No cussing. Respectful listening on both sides. Calm, back-n-forth points of view. And if I'm not mistaken, those young people may just be having their views changed.
9:00 lol 💡💡💡
I can save you time, Jeff.
What she "believes" is that anything that takes consequences off the shoulders of women for sexual license is a "right".
Given the clickbaitey and divisive tone of the video title, I was surprised to find this to be an exemplary discussion. Respectful attitude, reasonable discourse, genuine care for the other side of the discussion and the people affected by the issue at hand.
This is actually a beautiful exchange of beliefs and I am proud of those 2 college students for civilly debating over this topic! Kudos!