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So true, everything you said Kylie... Please run for some kind of political position. We need more people with a brain, a moral compass, and a conscience who follow God and the truth.. God bless my friend.
@Nobody J OR...we could just not do the thing that causes babies to exist if we're not ready to take responsibility for another life. Sex is a great pleasure that comes with high potential of great responsibility. Our culture divorces the perks of being an adult from the responsibilities of being an adult, and we end up with millions of murdered babies, not to mention the inability to cope with reality. The intended purpose for the law in general is to uphold the moral fibers of society. Should the government stop regulating murder just because it's a moral issue? Should murderers be allowed to murder in order to preserve freedom of choice? Obviously not, because that's morally heinous. If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged with a double homicide, so the law recognizes that an unborn baby is indeed a human life. If you want the right to do whatever you want with your 'baby maker', a right which you do indeed have currently, you should accept the responsibility that comes with it rather than using murder of an innocent human life, which is a separate body from your own, as a cop out.
He said he left the faith because he was told he couldn’t be forgiven. But then he made it clear. He left because he would have had to give up the sin he loves so much to be forgiven. That’s every single unsaved persons problem. What an encouraging interaction. Praying for him.
The real reason that man left faith is because he wishes to indulge in the sin of homosexuality. I don't know if it was in this video or another but he talks about his homosexual relationships which are in direct violation of God's commands. It's terrible when a person chooses selfish desires over our Creator that provides endless love and joy. It is probably the most saddening thing to a Christian to watch as the souls of these people are destroyed by the earthly desire which are not even them blip to eternity.
If God says its sin whatever it is its sin because God says it is. We humans want to hold onto our sins and live life on our terms. Sin will always corrupt and destroy. We have to be willing to give our lives to God, put ones trust and faith in Him and as Jesus said to the woman at the well.....Go And Sin No more. I've learned when someone says they lost their faith or something like that for the most part they never did accept Jesus into their heart. You cannot lose your salvation. You can stop having faith usually because your confused or not on the right track. He needs to truly give his life to Christ and be in the company of other believers to support one another. Iron sharpens iron.
@@conservativeeepatrick6752 God will give everyone time to come to Him. God is slow to anger because He doesn't want to smack someone upside their head so to say. He wants everyone to come to Him. But we have a free will to choose. Those who reject Him will be in a place of torment and there won't be any 15 min breaks. The bible gives enough info that hell is real and you don't want to go there. We all have to choose. God's way or the hell way.
My son has Down Syndrome, cystic fibrosis, he aspirates, and he stops breathing at night. He is the absolute most incredible person I’ve ever known in my life. I’m so grateful and blessed God picked me to be his momma! I lead a baseball league for people with special needs. I have 5 year olds to people in their 50’s. They are all amazing and I love being with them and watching them reach their goals. It makes me so sad to hear people argue that it should be ok to have an abortion bc a baby MAY have a disability. I see so many of God’s characteristics in my son and my team. He created them in their mother’s wombs and He knew their unformed bodies!!! They are wonderfully made. It tells us in Psalm 139.
Your son and those like him are created in the image of God every bit as much as anyone else - and it is a sad commentary on the state of society that those who should be protected and valued the most are protected and valued the least. The love of many has truly grown cold.
@@weemaggiejiggs8832 Please explain why you call that creepy. That's a shitty thing to do. He complimented her and you insult that? What the fuck is wrong with you?
"His brand of Christainty is frightening" Says the man who won't let you say when a man is a man. Why are they asking me to lie to them? To myself? I'm not going to.
Jeff your doing plenty for the Lord already you are not expected to fight every issue of the world. don't let the enemy accuse you of not doing too much. Jeff your one of the best in my book.
@If it's Orange throw It out. So if you own horses and I'm concerned that they are abused, clearly malnourished etc... I should stay in my lane, because I've never owned a horse? "Your horses, your choice" ? Your "logic" escapes me...
@@KingiRui you satanists love confusing Christianity with Catholicism who used the image of God for the gain of currency and it is no wonder why sin is rampant in those "churches" with pedophiles being moved around the world once they are caught.
Two people that have different world views that respect and love each other, and can have a civilized debate/argument. That's great too see. Thank you Apologia Church and Jeff for having so much patience and love for this man as I would too. I pray he has a change of heart and turns to God.
Its not the world view. It's God's way which is the right way and jeff is just telling people what God's word says is sin. But people have to be willing to want to hear truth
Love but no respect. You can't respect people who's whole life is dedicated to advocating for the death of babies. You can love them,pity them, want them to change, and pray for them but you can't respect that.
Person 1: "Identity and gender are fluid, and whatever you want to believe as truth is truth." Person 2: "I believe in God." Person 1: "That's absurd."
🤣😂🤣😂 truth! Person 1 is the illogical person who believes we came from fish yet hates the fact that person 2 knows we have a higher purpose and we come from a all knowing, all mighty, and loving God.
Here’s what I hear in conversations like this that don’t stay on topic Person 1: So what is 2 + 2 =? Person 2: It doesn’t matter! I’m happy and that’s all that matters! Person 1: What? That wasn’t my question... Person 2: It doesn’t matter I love to be a helicopter!!!
OMG I had no idea what abortifacient was. I'm at work crying right now because my wife and I thought the pill thickened the vaginal liquid and stopped the egg from being released, had no idea that IF THE EGG IS FERTILIZED THE PILL CAUSES IT TO BE EXCRETED DURING YOUR PERIOD (I.e. abortion). I'm writing this to inform anyone else who doesn't know like myself.
Yes exactly! It's called birth control because it prevents the birth not the life of the child. The pill has two functions 1) estrogen to prevent ovulation. 2) progesterone to prevent implementation of a fertilized ovum. Causing an early abortion. When I learned this 20 year's ago I stopped right away. Not ok with me and this was never explained by the doctor. I had to hear about it and confirm with my pharmacist. Look up the Lambeth conference. There was a time until 1930 approximately when all Christians were united with the Catholic church and her Apostolic tradition against birth control. Most people don't know that either.
@@lydiacole1865 you're welcome and another thing to mention is about the IUD which has again function of abortifacant. Some IUD also has an estrogen component but the main function is to prevent implantation and not ovulation.
I took plan B yeeeeaaaars ago. I had no idea what it was. I took it "blindly" ... I was good enough for a man to screw but not have his baby. I have no idea if I was pregnant. I pray I wasn't. I just know the pill made me sick. That was over a decade ago. And as of late, I was telling my husband that I wonder if I was. Did I abort my baby and didn't know it. I was told I would NEVER have kids, by several doctors. So I pray whatever they saw then, was such at that time. Now, I have had 5 babies. I am grateful for every baby. We aren't done yet. But I pray to The Lord that it was nothing. The pill just went through and made me sick but there was never fertilization.
This conversation was interesting b/c it demonstrates exactly what the Bible tells us about we as sinners - man loves darkness. Errol *admitted* multiple times that he essentially doesn't want to know God, and Jeff is right, the is the heart of it. Errol spent a lot of time making incoherent, unscientific, and emotion-driven arguments, yet he claimed at the beginning that he is going to use "reason". Ive talked to and debate a LOT of atheists and at the end of the day if they are pushed they will admit that they don't want God. Evidence for God is not the issue, the issue is with the heart. We are comfortable in out sins and don't want to be accountable for them. Errol doesn't realize that Satan has him exactly where he wants him, fulfilling a life of sin that he mistakingly thinks he is unaccountable for. Errol needs prayer.
Atheists choose to believe that way because it allows them to live any lifestyle they like with no ramifications. Where it falls down is that the survival of the fittest philosophy that comes with it means if I can murder someone and get away with it, including his wife and children, its just nature discarding the weak.
I think Errol secretly wants to stay in disagreement with Jeff bc he wants his attention....it's obvious that he looks up to Jeff. I pray for his salvation.
errol mcinnes I wish I could get in touch with every person Jeff harasses. I am so stoked to hear about getting out of a very dangerous disempowering faith situation. I don't think Jeff understands because I don't think Jeff sees how dominance driven he is. It's really sad to see him trap people in crude argumentation.
@@1Whipperin I feel like you're abusing that section of scripture. I've seen your comment on multiple apologia videos. Are you suggesting that any form of evangelism, apologetics, or political lobbying is casting pearls before swine? I think you're extrapolating too much from Matthew 7:6, it seems to cause you to see no value in reaching out to any lost unbeliever. If I am wrong, I do not wish to strawman, so please explain why all of this evangelism seems like a pearl before the swine. What do you think swine refers to in the text? Every single unbeliever?
@@1Whipperin that's a good point, however Romans 10:14 states "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Scripture calls us to expand the kingdom of our Lord, and we must do that by guiding the lost with evangelism. I think to claim that Matthew 7 is arguing against proactive evangelism is to ignore our calling to spread the word. Paul didn't wait to be asked about his faith and neither should we. I think in light of the rest of the New Testament, Matthew 7 isn't arguing not to proactively evangelize, but to recognize when your words are lost on a prideful unbeliever. I think it's laying the groundwork to allow the believers discretion to move on without guilt. Not every unbelievers heart is clay, some are wax as ours were and were meant to find the wax.
My daughters embryo was created in 2013- we adopted her embryo through nightlight Christian adoptions Snowflake program and she was born to our family in august of 2016! ❤️
@@angieruthw it is much easier to afford than traditional adoption. To us it was “cheap” compared to the cost of adopting our son internationally in 2014-2015.
DvidTheGnome So he's beyond saving? You are very judgement, not the type of judgement that it just and godly. "I mean, what can one do with such a person?" How about: what can GOD do with such a person? Jesus' death on the cross was enough to save me, so it's enough to save him. Pray that he would be.
It's about "What Spirit Ye Are Of" as Jesus said, so abandoning Satan and choosing Jesus is always possible as long as you have breath to say "I'm Sorry, please change me", or even "Please help thou mine unbelief!"...
Caiaphas, do you see the difference between the Age of Judgement and the Age of Mercy? The kinds of arguments that the Skeptical Spirit comes up with, (in order to accuse The Highest Authority), are coming from a place of assuming God is not defined as His believers say He is: able to create Life. In OT times God acted out the Just side of His character, while crafting a culture He could be born into without being killed! The Age of Mercy came after His act of sacrifice created a WAY for us guilty humans to approach Him and be saved to Eternal Happiness in His Home! (:D God did set things up so that parents have control over the new Humanity they create. It is hurtful to their own souls to destroy any of their children, since they don't have the power, as God, does to give them new bodies and take them home to Heaven. . Even if you design a leggo toy, you reserve the right to make over a flawed project. If a baby were born to some culture that was about to throw them into Moloch's jaws, or make a slave of them, or teach them to be Moloch-worshipping murderers, can you blame God for just taking them home right away, and causing Israel to set up a better way of doing things once the deceived and murderous society was done away with? Once again, God can give everyone a new and better body when they leave earth, and ten out of ten people do in the end, right?...
There is no coming back, because he never was with God to begin with. ALL of these 'fall away' people were never truly redeemed by God to begin with. They were just going through the motions, religious, etc.
I can’t express how much I love these two men being able to argue from completely opposite ends of the spectrum and even very passionately, yet still love and respect each other so beautifully! Would God that the whole world adopted this spirit!
IBF is not letting God be God just like abortion is doing the same. The magnitude of sin may differ to God but they both are playing God. God allows sin with long suffering SO that people with a prickable conscience might lead to contrition of ❤ and godly sorrow (2 cor 7:10-11) leading to repentance and works worthy of repentance. Acts 26:20
Because the world has accepted everything... They come out with men like Jenner who transition to women. Women who dress like men. Yeah, the secular world is being fed.
As do we all at many times in our lives. We should always stand for the truth, but also we mustn’t neglect the plank in our own eye because we are too focused on the splinter in our neighbor’s.
Harry Waddington - We cannot live in a world where people do not have the right to control their own bodies and their own reproductive systems. I don't think that pro-lifers could really care less about unborn foetuses - they just want control and to punish young women for having sex outside of marriage - and that is what it is really all about. If they could get abortion banned - which they can't - they will start on contraception next!
Bradley Davis - No, you are severely mistaken in your view! You need to mind your own business, get a life and stop sticking your nose into women's rights!
Harry Waddington - Ha-Ha! 🤣. Yes, women do have the right to kill if they want to! And what are YOU going to do about it exactly??? You are just a pathetic little twit! You cannot control other people's bodies - so shut-up, grow-up - and get a life! Go and do something useful with yourself like volunteering at a homeless or animal shelter - and mind your own business about other people's bodies! You sick, twisted little pervert! 🖕
Jeff, you have blessed me so much with your ministry. Continue to fight the Good fight brother and know that we are continuously praying for you!! God bless you and all!!
why did god have to murder all this pregnant women and babies he so perfectly made in his image knowing he was going to give them an horrific death, I'm just so upset
Man this is heartbreaking 💔. He’s obviously hurt and denying it! Keep praying for him! The Holy Spirit in you Jeff did what it could! One thing we know is that the word of God never returns void!
Totally agree and Jeff is awesome. I would like for him to some work on racism it's being use as a weapon to rip us sale apart. The manufacturer hate is growing fast. Love ya
This conversation is really neat to watch. Both super passionate about their beliefs and world views, but at the end of the day they do respect each other.
I think I just saw how Crafty the devil is.. no offense Errol but u just got your mind twisted by the evil one.. God loves u man.. turn to Him.. He will straighten u up..
I love that you can have a debate with the other side Jeff and be very respectful and kind. It is refreshing to see your work. I appreciate everything you’re doing praise God and all glory be unto God.
Have love for Errol. Errol is like a boy who is playing in a sandbox and has never been to Disneyland. His mother tells him "time to go to Disneyland" but the boy replies to his mother "but mom I'm having so much fun." The boy hasn't experienced true fun (love /truth) because he is to busy in his sandbox. The boys mother is wanting to show him the happiest place in the world. Errol hasn't experienced the true loving God of the Bible. Much love Errol. Blessings and shalom
Nick Jones I find it ironic that you are unable to see reality beyond what the scientific consensus tells you it is, then criticize a group of people who you claim are "indoctrinated" into doing exactly what you are doing. SMH.
Unrelated, but reminds me of a story someone told me that they had told they were taking their kids to a beet farm, and were talking about how awesome this beet farm was going to be for the whole road trip. When they sprung the surprise that they're actually going to Disney World, the kid started crying and was upset because he was so excited to go to this beet farm they told him about lol
Jeff... I’ve recently discovered you, And I find myself looking up to you tremendously. I too am a recovering addict/alcoholic. I would love to gain your level a calmness some day. I admittedly have a short fuse. It’s one of my character defects. I enjoy watching how you respectfully talk to these people on the complete opposite side. Also, watching the last bit where you told the commenters to respect that man, really touched my heart. Thank you for putting out these videos. They make my time at work go buy easier.
jeff i love you and your ministry. Because of people like you and guidance through the Holy Spirit it has lead me to learn the original Koine Greek and start a amateur apologetic s channel. God bless you my brother, Gods grace is truly amazing!!
This gentlemen is willing to have the conversation. That is a huge step. Many will not even discuss these issues. Many times it becomes screaming and yelling at each other. Conversation is powerful.
I believe God is speaking of the U.S.A when He describes Babylon as "having shed the blood of the innocence". Therefore, If we don't stop abortion, we as a nation will be punished. If we as a nation repent and obey, He will forgive us and bless us once again. God is clear. If we turn our back on Him, He will turn His back on us.
@Nick Jones God can justly punish people who are willfully in sin. The bloodlines were also tainted by fallen angels and it produced nephilim. Also babies who die are innocent and never had the choice to turn from God and consciously disobey Him. They are brought to Heaven by the grace of God.
@Nick Jones Yes, He is omnipotent, but He also gives us free will. In the scripture it says that Noah was a righteous man and walked in faith. This is why God showed him and his family favor. Can you imagine a world filled with so much evil that there is only ONE man that is worthy of God's mercy? Now like I stated before, God shows mercy to those incapable of making a conscious decision to choose him. So those babies are in Heaven. Let me ask you this, if God is the giver of life, does he not have the right to take it away as well? We know that He is just in all his ways, but loving at the same time. The wages of sin is DEATH, but God in his mercy is so patient, not wishing any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. You see, we as sinners all deserve death, but God wants us to turn from that life, come to Him, and repent. God does not want robots that love Him. He could have easily made all mankind have to love Him, but that wouldn't be true love. I'm sure you can agree that whether it's your significant other or your child or whoever, you would not want them to love you because they have to. This is why God made the decision to create us with this free will, that He knows, we will use to disobey Him. On a side note, death is merely the gateway into the afterlife we are headed for. You are probably terrified of death, even if you won't admit it. Because you don't believe there's anything after this life. I am called to have no fear of death because I know what God has in store for me.
@Nick Jones Yes, with His sovereign power He could have cleaned up the bloodline divinely. That still doesn't change the fact that it says these people were evil and it had gone on too long. That does not debunk what I'm saying at all because like I said, people have the free will to deny God and God is just to do with them, within His nature, as He pleases. A mother and father produce new life through sex in a sense, but life is ultimately only possible and created by Him. I'll use your own argument, why is it wrong for the God of the universe, who is the author of life and the only one who can bring life from death, to take somebody from this life into the next, but it is okay for a woman of the earth to choose life or death for her baby? I do not condone murder in any sense and God does not wish any to perish. You need to understand God's nature before throwing labels on Him.
@Nick Jones 1. You're right, to believe in God's sovereignty, you must first believe there is a God. We can get into the proof of a creator if you would like, but would you agree that if there IS a God, then He would have to be sovereign, right? A being that created all things, knows all things, and is in control of all things? 2. Just because God could control everything divinely, such as miraculously cleansing the bloodlines, does not mean that He is unjust when He does intervene. For the most part, He does not intervene like that because He respects our free will and wants us to choose Him in faith. Aside from the belief that the bloodlines were tainted by fallen angels, God still has the right to justly do with the wicked as He sees fit, does He not? Who is man to question what God does with him when he is in willful rebellion against God? 3. I never said that babies were sinners. Nice assumption but I said that they are in willful rebellion once they are CONSCIOUS of that choice. That comes with development of the brain. Just because these babies who were born of sinners but not sinners themselves probably perished in the flood, does not mean that God is wicked. They unfortunately were subjected to it because they were in the fallen world; but because they WERE WITHOUT SIN, God is gracious and brings them to Heaven. How would sanctification be possible, and how would we turn from our sin towards God if He protected us from every evil thing of this fallen world? God is just and let's us reap the consequences of our sin, sometimes using His own hand to punish as we see with the flood. Stop focusing on the fact that people died in the flood, and ask why God flooded the world. 4. Yes, you and your wife played a big part in the creation of your children, but God is the one ultimately responsible for that to even be possible. He is also the one who knits us together in our mother's womb and creates our spirit. DNA is the instruction manual of our bodies and is so complex that it couldn't have possibly been by accident. The kind of information that DNA provides is of the highest kind of information, it sends an understandable message to the body on what to create. How could that sort of complex system happen by accident? Answer- it can't. For every single part of our body to work, it would have had to of been created all at once, not over billions of years. New information can never be added. It can only be mutated or removed. A being can not create something like eyes to see without that information to begin with. It is a scientific impossibility that life can come from nothing as evolutionists claim. It had to have come from a creator that breathed His life into it. 5. I do not condone murder or rape. Neither does God. Your warped perspective has poisoned your mind against God. In your view, you only see things that happen and say that they wouldn't happen if there was a God. We have to be logical though. I'm sure you're a smart man, so I'm asking you to not look at it in any sort of bias and ask yourself what is more logical. Did everything come from nothing? Or did everything come from an eternal Creator? Was there always nothing until there was something? Or was there always something, that created everything? We only get this life to make the right choice, so turn from your sin, seek Jesus and God, the creator of everything, drop the pride act, and repent of your sins against the Father.
@Nick Jones You are a very angry man. The evidence is right there in your face, but it's no use, you have hardened your heart. I am thankful for the peace and patience God has given me through the fruits of the Spirit. I wish you could understand, but you probably argue like this with people on RUclips every day. So angry, presumptuous, and full of accusations. I am sorry for you. You feel so hurt and attacked that you lash out at people like this, calling them names, claiming they condone things that are detestable to any moral being, and pushing all these arguments that you can't refute to the side by simply claiming that they're debunked. I could tell you a million times that the evidence for God is everywhere, but until you grow up, stop trying to bully people online, and let go of this childish temper tantrum pride, you will always be blind to it. You aren't ready for the truth because it doesn't fit your preconceived ideologies. You don't even have a foundation on which to base your moral standard. So how can you say that anything is immoral or moral? God is the absolute truth in which absolute morality comes from. You can't make a moral argument from your belief. As a man, your family needs you to be the foundation for the family, and it's sad to say but you are not in a position to be that for them. They are going to look up to you and your beliefs, but because of your pride, you will lead them astray. That is, if you haven't already. I will be praying for you because I truly do not want you to perish. You have attacked me and ridiculed me numerous times, but I am called to still love you as a man made in the image of God. Praying that you come to see the light and that your deeds be exposed.
May God show him true peace and heal his wounds. Seems like a great man who just had a traumatic experience with the Church. Thanks for planting the seed Jeff God bless!
It hurts to see someone walk through life with a mindset and heart that is so confused and scared to face Truth. It's hard to penetrate someone's defensive feelings when the wall has been built so high. Just plant the seed and hope it grows.
Who is there to harm you if you prove zealous for what is good? But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. And do not fear their intimidation , and do not be troubled , but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame. For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong. For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 1 Peter 3:13-18 NASB
Liberation from faith feels good in the moment just like a man jumping off a 30 story building feels good in the moment. Neither case ends well, however.
Why do we know jumping off a high building doesn’t end well? Evidence. Having evidence behind beliefs is valuable. Faith, belief in the absence of evidence, is anything but liberating. It’s anything but valuable ... it’s downright dangerous. Evidence, science and reason will put a man on the moon. Faith will put nineteen hijackers flying into buildings.
Jonathan Oliva wherever you wish to reside your origination of faith does not detract that faith is believing in something without evidence. No where in life would a reasonable individual decide this is a good operating principle in life as it would allow for beliefs we otherwise would never accept. Faith allows otherwise good people to do the most vile evil things. Religious actions provide the greatest examples of these. The suicide bomber community is wildly represented by those who act according to their faith. The genital mutilation community is full of individuals for whom faith informs their actions.
cloud nine I am sorry, but if you are making the correlation of having some evidence in something and that is where you will allow you acceptance in that reality being true to originate from than that isn’t faith. You use many examples to show this. I will use one myself. Someone might say I have faith my wife loves me. No, no I don’t. Faith is not what I have because I have all their evidence that I use to formulate my reasoning on. I see these tiny little emotions in the way we communicate. There are all these little examples of things she will do to make my day better. It’s all pieces of actual evidence and they build up which allow me to conclude she loves me. Evidence and reason ... not faith. You are trying to explain how we use evidence and reason to conclude something and squeezing in the concept of faith as the result. Sorry, it doesn’t work like that. You don’t sit in a jury and listen to the two sides for weeks, go through mountains of evidence and testimony and come out on the other side saying .... the man is guilty, why? Cause I have faith. No, you say the man is guilty because I believe the evidence clearly demonstrates he did the crime. I invite you to dig deeper and witness what faith actually is. Faith is taking a position inspite of absolutely no evidence. For if you actually had evidence ... you wouldn’t need faith.
@@pilgrimwings1295 So using words like blind faith or reasonable faith don't change the definition of what it means to have faith. Again, and not mocking at all, faith is the belief in abstention of evidence. Now if you are claiming that there is evidence of a Creator, that is a different thing entirely. You proceed to use the design found in nature as evidence of a creator. This is easily refuted because we have come to understand the natural, slow, processes which give rise to complex designs we see in nature. Evolution, the slow, without purpose or end result in mind, builds on improvements overtime that results in the hugely complex and varied examples of design all around us. It is without a top down driven purpose, it is based upon basic, understandable and predictable laws. The literature on this is voluminous and incredibly powerful in its predications. A rather wonderful PBS video concerning the teaching of Creationism in classrooms touches upon these issues ... RUclips ... Judgement Day : Intelligent Design on Trial. To venture to another concern. It may be impactful for a believer to look at the universe and claim that a designer is required to explain this baffling state of being. But these people are left with a huge hurdle to explain. However unsatisfying the explanations that modern scientists come up with to explain the origins of the universe ... simple beginnings that slowly gave rise to more and more complex features .... for example, hydrogen atoms over millions, billions of years coalescing into groups which grow in size and attract even more hydrogen atoms until a critical mass is achieved and a star, like our sun, is formed ( which we can observe happening today ) ... however difficult to accept this reality may be ... that the universe began from simple beginnings and over time natural processes gave rise to more and more complex features .... postulating the most greatest of all complex things pre-existed outside the universe that gave rise to the universe is even more astounding to believe or explain. You do not get to satisfactory answers by postulating even more complex, HUGELY complex things, from the outset. And by any measure, any God outside the universe and within demands just that. Now, a natural response is that God exists beyond the universe and therefore does not require to adhere to the same processes or systems as within. That he predates the universe, time and all understanding and therefore DOES NOT REQUIRE explanation. What this person does is simple decree that this is the case and does not do any favour to his so called explanations. It postulates that an explanation is not required. That it is true because it is true. Its a tautology ... a circular argument and one that is not subject to being disproven. It can neither be proven nor disproven. This is ... faith! There is no evidence, nor will there, but I believe it to be true because I have faith. And hey, thats fine, just as long as we don't true to hide it. Stand for what you believe and why you believe it. Faith. No evidence. I believe because I have faith. The evidence that a dog is a complex creature or the tree is NOT evidence in favour of a designer. We have not just satisfactory answers to why these things are the way they are ... we have the tool which makes accurate predictions time and time again. Just like we can explain gravity, germ disease, how to evolve dogs to form different breeds, why bacteria are the way they are and how to morph them, we understand how the complexity of design has come about, the processes that work towards that and what it all means to any number of questions ... like why men and women are different! Google the PBS show and please enjoy its level headed description of the issue of intelligent design versus evolution.
He believes in empirical evidence, but a crossdresser is a real woman?...hahah. That's probably why evolutionism is so popular.... They should put this on FailArmy!
As a fellow born-again Christian I would like to make a plea to all other believers to pray for Errol… Never underestimate the power of prayer, the Lord hears the prayers of his children… please pray for Errol, what a likable individual, I would love to walk with this man in the kingdom of heaven!
Hey that's Jamali from Hate The Neighbor on Vice. The one with the British accent. I stopped watching Vice because they perpetuate childish liberalism, worldliness, and have no regard for God. Once, on Twitter, they posted an article titled "Was Jesus Gay?" Or something like that. I was infuriated at the article and afterwards convicted because I supported Vice TV because I liked their shows like Hate Thy Neighbor and Abandoned. I no longer support them.
Thank God for people like Jeff & Apologia Church who FIGHT for the lives of unborn babies! Also I know Jeff's passion and heart & guarentee he didn't just not show up or was scared away! Please, he's not scared or frightened by Eerol because Jeff is in Christ Jesus and He's our strength.
A living dog is better than a dead lion. Where there is life there is hope. If the choice is life with a gay couple or death, choose life and give the person a chance.
This old guy creeps me out. It's what happens when you accept and embrace sin for as long as he has - you go down a dark road. I hope he comes to Christ before his end comes and is freed from his burdens.
@Nerv 001 Amen and God Words proves we don’t move. But satan wants us to believe we are flying 66,600 miles per hour and spinning 1000 miles per hour. All lies .
I feel like Jeff was really ministering to Errol. Toward the end you could tell he was getting through to him. I hurt for guys like him. They have been turned off by the church and have chosen a life without God as a result. Pray God opens his eyes through Jeff’s ministry 🙏
I'm praying for the unity of Christians! Protestants, Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, we all need to stand together as one in these important issues and we will be much stronger and be a witness to the world!!
"My truth is I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I........." Well I hope this guy finally sees that God was never shunning him. Only the sin... the sin he refused to see was already paid for by the blood of Jesus Himself.
Jeff, I love your ministry and agree with your purpose. But I couldn't help but think at one point at the end when he was pleading with you that he felt that he saved his own life (from sucking on a 45 ca) that you should have put the drink down and offered to give him a big man huge and tell him that Jesus and you both love him and want him to be at peace! Sometimes as Christians we need to know when to hold them and know when to fold em for the sake of the debate. He was crying out that when he needed love the most that a Christian (not you at this moment) offered nothing but judgement and condemnation. I was just accused of this last night by a good friend who i was trying to bring closer to the Lord and I had to really reflect on my actions because what I certainly don't want to do is drive someone further away from the truth. I don't agree with his life style and choices but in the end it is better to have him walking away thinking you were at least compassionate for his life rather than trying to win that particular debate. Love you brother and keep up the good fight.
Jim Belle-Isle This is great advise I will try to do this myself when ever I get into a debate with someone. Sometimes we focus so much on the arguments that we forget the person. But as for Apologia Ministries keep up the good work. You guys are awesome.
ChîRhôpher Lazarus Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. I have struggled with this very subject and have asked the Holy Spirit for guidance on how to approach this issue in a way that is both compassionate and righteous. We need to spread the gospel to the homosexual community but we are not asked to be the jury, judge and executioner. When spreading the Good News I believe that our desire to when a debate should not overpower the requirement to show compassion and love for our neighbor. After all our own works will not directly save them or convince them but only the Holy Spirit. When you plant a seed be gentle, don't try to over water it and stamp the soil to hard lest you will cause it harm.
+Jim Belle-Isle , Hey Jim, my Brother, thanks for your response. Even more so, Bro, †hank CHRIST in you (The HOLY SPIRIT, Indwelling) Working and Willing; Bless HIS HOLY NAME. i apologize on behalf of Christians who may have given the Good News in a judgemental way (i know i have certainly made many errors, and we learn and grow). We should bring the Law to bare on people's hearts, and the heart of †he Gospel; Both to convert, addressing all we are to Worship The LORD with and in (Such as with, Worship The LORD with all your heart, mind, body, soul, strength; and in, SPIRIT and TRUTH). Having a balanced view is important and is definitely sanctified in space and time, by The ALMIGHTY HIMSELF (I Am The LORD Who Sanctified You). Touch is an important thing. Touch can be powerful. Thus, We should use it carefully. So, if we look in the Bible, looking at CHRIST (or, even HIS Apostles) do they Love on people? Absolutely! It does seem to me that they did it through the proclamation of †he Gospel, the Power of GOD! All rebuke and correction should be given from..?. i guess some of what caught my eye is that hugs appeal to the flesh; the Gospel does not. Especially, someone demonstrating rebellion in that area. If i were to say anything in the advice sense, it might be more cross centered. Not from ones thinking only, but in proclamation. Acts of Love are great, and anyone with the Gift of Faith in CHRIST will be producing them, as The FATHER Wills. We Love on people, not so much with hugs (there is room, and indeed a place for it; and a place it should Not be [be careful here]). The Good News is Love of the deepest kind; the very story of The MASTER YESHUA n HIS HOLY LOVE. So, we should indeed Love on them, with The WORD Eternal, as We follow the same. Salvation is by Grace, through [the Gift of] Faith in CHRIST, from GOD. Faith comes by Hearing, and Hearing by The WORD of GOD. May YHWH Bless and Keep you!
May the Lord have Mercy on that man as much as I do as a Blood bought Christian in these days. Let us not cast the first stone, but Praise God for Men like Jeff!
9:04 "I think in terms of married people its kind of weird" No, my wife had 2 c sections with several complications so we use condoms because it could be dangerous for her to have another baby. She was also told to wait 2 years before getting pregnant again. Soooo, condoms.
JoeBob Jenkins ya I wasn't clear on that. But maybe bc ppl often use condoms to avoid stds bc of sleeping around and not having a monogamous relationship. Would be weird with your only partner you're married to whose only other partner was you. Your situation was a special circumstance, too. When I watch these debates they're kind of "freestyling". U gotta cut some slack bc not premeditated.
Tort it is one’s choice to go to Hell. God doesn’t want anyone to go, but he is just and the most perfect judge, he cannot let sin into heaven. That is why he sent his son Jesus Christ (God incarnate), and his death has saved me and many others if you truly believe. He did all that and you think he’s not good.
Ib2J A bit long, but a few questions: No one would choose hell if they had pertinent information on hell and it's existence. Unfortunately god does not see it fit to give us such information. Instead we have to rely on science, or provable methods of study. Through study I have come to the conclusion that god(s) do not exist after being a deeply devoted creationist Christian for several years, so my question is: Would it be fair if god punished me for my honest disbelief? Why provide me with such evidence against him? Enough to change my belief? How is torture, or even annihilation, a better solution than recuperation, educating, or at least a limbo like state where people can live in reflection rather than be endlessly in pain? So he can take away people's sins unfairly (by placing them on himself. I disagree that a judge punishing himself is fair) but cannot do so after someone dies without belief in Jesus? Why does being alive matter? Why not be able to accept Jesus after you die? If you want my opinion, this is one of the reasons Christianity has become so popular: It relies on faith while being alive and until death. Yes! Of course I think any being that demands your eternal torture is not good, even if he tries to prevent you from it. It doesn't matter if he created us, gave us everything, came down, yelled in our face, and explained and showed us exactly how and why he is real, if he tortures people eternally for finite crimes how is he good? If this were any other god with any other set of rules that resulted in eternal torture, even if they were the same rules, would you not be appalled?
The reason for being fruitful and multiplying is to raise up children in the way they should go, for Yahweh. To teach them to trust in Yahweh and follow the Master Yahshua/Jesus. It is Loving to teach children to love the One who is Life and Love.
The devil makes it easier for them bc he wants you to stay on his path. When you struggle with living for God and turn from sin, the devil makes it harder on them so they could give up
YOOOO that Errol guy was amazing! Such a wise man, yet can not turn back to a life fulfilled with Jesus as Jeff was explaining! Hope all the best to him!
Errol, thank you for sharing your honest concerns about Christianity. The Christianity you reject (judgmental, hateful, hypocritical) is repulsive. But, it isn't true Christianity. You're upset with a caricature of Christianity that doesn't fit what is going on in most Christian churches. Give is another shot.
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Abortion is illegal, what do we do? Get more self control. Value marriage. Accept responsibility for our actions. Value life. Hopefully turn to God.
Nobody is even mentioning how on earth are all those people not using protection🤷🏻♂️...
So true, everything you said Kylie... Please run for some kind of political position. We need more people with a brain, a moral compass, and a conscience who follow God and the truth.. God bless my friend.
Yeah amin!
@Nobody J cry me a river baby killer.
@Nobody J OR...we could just not do the thing that causes babies to exist if we're not ready to take responsibility for another life. Sex is a great pleasure that comes with high potential of great responsibility. Our culture divorces the perks of being an adult from the responsibilities of being an adult, and we end up with millions of murdered babies, not to mention the inability to cope with reality. The intended purpose for the law in general is to uphold the moral fibers of society. Should the government stop regulating murder just because it's a moral issue? Should murderers be allowed to murder in order to preserve freedom of choice? Obviously not, because that's morally heinous. If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged with a double homicide, so the law recognizes that an unborn baby is indeed a human life. If you want the right to do whatever you want with your 'baby maker', a right which you do indeed have currently, you should accept the responsibility that comes with it rather than using murder of an innocent human life, which is a separate body from your own, as a cop out.
He said he left the faith because he was told he couldn’t be forgiven. But then he made it clear. He left because he would have had to give up the sin he loves so much to be forgiven. That’s every single unsaved persons problem. What an encouraging interaction. Praying for him.
The real reason that man left faith is because he wishes to indulge in the sin of homosexuality. I don't know if it was in this video or another but he talks about his homosexual relationships which are in direct violation of God's commands.
It's terrible when a person chooses selfish desires over our Creator that provides endless love and joy.
It is probably the most saddening thing to a Christian to watch as the souls of these people are destroyed by the earthly desire which are not even them blip to eternity.
If God says its sin whatever it is its sin because God says it is. We humans want to hold onto our sins and live life on our terms. Sin will always corrupt and destroy. We have to be willing to give our lives to God, put ones trust and faith in Him and as Jesus said to the woman at the well.....Go And Sin No more. I've learned when someone says they lost their faith or something like that for the most part they never did accept Jesus into their heart. You cannot lose your salvation. You can stop having faith usually because your confused or not on the right track. He needs to truly give his life to Christ and be in the company of other believers to support one another. Iron sharpens iron.
@@conservativeeepatrick6752 God will give everyone time to come to Him. God is slow to anger because He doesn't want to smack someone upside their head so to say. He wants everyone to come to Him. But we have a free will to choose. Those who reject Him will be in a place of torment and there won't be any 15 min breaks. The bible gives enough info that hell is real and you don't want to go there. We all have to choose. God's way or the hell way.
No one needs to be "saved". Sin is a man made construct, which is ridiculous, as is the belief in "god". Pure baloney.
@@3tmslmnwe pray for you my friend!
My son has Down Syndrome, cystic fibrosis, he aspirates, and he stops breathing at night. He is the absolute most incredible person I’ve ever known in my life. I’m so grateful and blessed God picked me to be his momma!
I lead a baseball league for people with special needs. I have 5 year olds to people in their 50’s. They are all amazing and I love being with them and watching them reach their goals.
It makes me so sad to hear people argue that it should be ok to have an abortion bc a baby MAY have a disability. I see so many of God’s characteristics in my son and my team. He created them in their mother’s wombs and He knew their unformed bodies!!! They are wonderfully made. It tells us in Psalm 139.
God bless you and your wonderful son! ♥️🙏🏻
@@faustinem9071 thank you!
You as well.
God bless you and your son. Sending you all of the peace and love possible from here in Florida.
@@GentlemensAcademy thank you.
Your son and those like him are created in the image of God every bit as much as anyone else - and it is a sad commentary on the state of society that those who should be protected and valued the most are protected and valued the least. The love of many has truly grown cold.
I believe strongly that pregnancy will decrease tremendously if abortion was no longer an option. A lot more people would be careful.
Good point
Kassandra Raudman you’re actually right
Statistics show that when abortion was legalized in 1973 the rates of abortion skyrocketed
Kassandra Raudman Beautiful woman with Christian values. Single?
@@bustercollins5215 ewwwwww creepy...🤢🤢
@@weemaggiejiggs8832
Please explain why you call that creepy. That's a shitty thing to do. He complimented her and you insult that? What the fuck is wrong with you?
"His brand of Christainty is frightening"
Says the man who won't let you say when a man is a man. Why are they asking me to lie to them? To myself? I'm not going to.
Jeff your doing plenty for the Lord already you are not expected to fight every issue of the world. don't let the enemy accuse you of not doing too much. Jeff your one of the best in my book.
agree
Amen.
Amen!!
@Nobody J breaded lol
@If it's Orange throw It out.
So if you own horses and I'm concerned that they are abused, clearly malnourished etc... I should stay in my lane, because I've never owned a horse?
"Your horses, your choice" ? Your "logic" escapes me...
I love Jeff’s heart. What a testimony for all Christians.
Beautiful Disaster Mother Teresa was an evil, sadistic l, witch
@@KingiRui she wasn’t a Christian
@@KingiRui you satanists love confusing Christianity with Catholicism who used the image of God for the gain of currency and it is no wonder why sin is rampant in those "churches" with pedophiles being moved around the world once they are caught.
Two people that have different world views that respect and love each other, and can have a civilized debate/argument. That's great too see. Thank you Apologia Church and Jeff for having so much patience and love for this man as I would too. I pray he has a change of heart and turns to God.
Its not the world view. It's God's way which is the right way and jeff is just telling people what God's word says is sin. But people have to be willing to want to hear truth
Jeff is cool the other fellow is an abomination and a tranny lover yuck and God isn't in like with that
Love but no respect. You can't respect people who's whole life is dedicated to advocating for the death of babies. You can love them,pity them, want them to change, and pray for them but you can't respect that.
Person 1: "Identity and gender are fluid, and whatever you want to believe as truth is truth."
Person 2: "I believe in God."
Person 1: "That's absurd."
🤣😂🤣😂 truth! Person 1 is the illogical person who believes we came from fish yet hates the fact that person 2 knows we have a higher purpose and we come from a all knowing, all mighty, and loving God.
rransomm this comment is gold 😂👍🏻
I don't believe in Santa anymore but I still get my kids presents from Santa on someones birthday.
@Nobody J Evidence when u celebrate Christmas getting lots of presents from family and Santa on someone's special birthday
Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you have to be hateful
Here’s what I hear in conversations like this that don’t stay on topic
Person 1: So what is 2 + 2 =?
Person 2: It doesn’t matter! I’m happy and that’s all that matters!
Person 1: What? That wasn’t my question...
Person 2: It doesn’t matter I love to be a helicopter!!!
😂🤣 pretty much sums it up
your username is awesome dude
Well said.
Love your videos Pastor Jeff.
Post Modernism at its finest
OMG I had no idea what abortifacient was. I'm at work crying right now because my wife and I thought the pill thickened the vaginal liquid and stopped the egg from being released, had no idea that IF THE EGG IS FERTILIZED THE PILL CAUSES IT TO BE EXCRETED DURING YOUR PERIOD (I.e. abortion). I'm writing this to inform anyone else who doesn't know like myself.
I did not know that until recently as well. Thank you for sharing for everybody to know.
Yes exactly! It's called birth control because it prevents the birth not the life of the child. The pill has two functions 1) estrogen to prevent ovulation. 2) progesterone to prevent implementation of a fertilized ovum. Causing an early abortion. When I learned this 20 year's ago I stopped right away. Not ok with me and this was never explained by the doctor. I had to hear about it and confirm with my pharmacist.
Look up the Lambeth conference. There was a time until 1930 approximately when all Christians were united with the Catholic church and her Apostolic tradition against birth control. Most people don't know that either.
@@unbornhumanrights Thank you so much for this!!! This needs to be more widely known
@@lydiacole1865 you're welcome and another thing to mention is about the IUD which has again function of abortifacant. Some IUD also has an estrogen component but the main function is to prevent implantation and not ovulation.
I took plan B yeeeeaaaars ago. I had no idea what it was. I took it "blindly" ... I was good enough for a man to screw but not have his baby.
I have no idea if I was pregnant. I pray I wasn't. I just know the pill made me sick.
That was over a decade ago. And as of late, I was telling my husband that I wonder if I was. Did I abort my baby and didn't know it.
I was told I would NEVER have kids, by several doctors. So I pray whatever they saw then, was such at that time.
Now, I have had 5 babies. I am grateful for every baby. We aren't done yet.
But I pray to The Lord that it was nothing. The pill just went through and made me sick but there was never fertilization.
This conversation was interesting b/c it demonstrates exactly what the Bible tells us about we as sinners - man loves darkness. Errol *admitted* multiple times that he essentially doesn't want to know God, and Jeff is right, the is the heart of it. Errol spent a lot of time making incoherent, unscientific, and emotion-driven arguments, yet he claimed at the beginning that he is going to use "reason". Ive talked to and debate a LOT of atheists and at the end of the day if they are pushed they will admit that they don't want God. Evidence for God is not the issue, the issue is with the heart. We are comfortable in out sins and don't want to be accountable for them. Errol doesn't realize that Satan has him exactly where he wants him, fulfilling a life of sin that he mistakingly thinks he is unaccountable for. Errol needs prayer.
Atheists choose to believe that way because it allows them to live any lifestyle they like with no ramifications. Where it falls down is that the survival of the fittest philosophy that comes with it means if I can murder someone and get away with it, including his wife and children, its just nature discarding the weak.
You sir, save some exceptions, are right. It really boils down to that.
Atheism = rebellion and hatred for a God they know deep down really exists.
He's willingly going to Hell
I think Errol secretly wants to stay in disagreement with Jeff bc he wants his attention....it's obvious that he looks up to Jeff. I pray for his salvation.
julianna pickens hahaha same could be said for Jeff. He isn't actually reducing evil in th3 world just arguing with evil.
errol mcinnes I wish I could get in touch with every person Jeff harasses. I am so stoked to hear about getting out of a very dangerous disempowering faith situation. I don't think Jeff understands because I don't think Jeff sees how dominance driven he is. It's really sad to see him trap people in crude argumentation.
errol mcinnes someone should let him in on the secret to non violent communication. If there is a God I don't know why they overlooked Jeff.
errol mcinnes that makes me sick... Thank you for your insight.
julianna pickens I think you struck a nerve.
I feel bad for this man, I'll keep him in my prayers. Jeff you did an excellent job sharing the gospel with this gentlemen, praise God brother
Wow, Jeff is incredibly gifted at what he does.
yep. looking forward to him picking up his Nobel Prize for proving there is a god....
@@1Whipperin I feel like you're abusing that section of scripture. I've seen your comment on multiple apologia videos. Are you suggesting that any form of evangelism, apologetics, or political lobbying is casting pearls before swine? I think you're extrapolating too much from Matthew 7:6, it seems to cause you to see no value in reaching out to any lost unbeliever. If I am wrong, I do not wish to strawman, so please explain why all of this evangelism seems like a pearl before the swine. What do you think swine refers to in the text? Every single unbeliever?
@@1Whipperin that's a good point, however Romans 10:14 states "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
Scripture calls us to expand the kingdom of our Lord, and we must do that by guiding the lost with evangelism. I think to claim that Matthew 7 is arguing against proactive evangelism is to ignore our calling to spread the word. Paul didn't wait to be asked about his faith and neither should we. I think in light of the rest of the New Testament, Matthew 7 isn't arguing not to proactively evangelize, but to recognize when your words are lost on a prideful unbeliever. I think it's laying the groundwork to allow the believers discretion to move on without guilt. Not every unbelievers heart is clay, some are wax as ours were and were meant to find the wax.
Praying for Errol
*Errol. 👍😄
Man my heart!!!! I pray for this man!!! Father please use me in this way, oh Lord my heart is grieved.
Luna like Elisha, God will give a double portion of Jeff’s anointment.
I know this video is older but I'm sitting here almost crying for him. I pray he comes to God soon.
I just prayed for this man too
Luna - You're an idiot!
God's Dawg - I am not a deluded nutcase!
One cannot betray their DNA.
"Christianity will be resisted with reason"
Says the person arguing a man magically changed his biology with a "transition"
My daughters embryo was created in 2013- we adopted her embryo through nightlight Christian adoptions Snowflake program and she was born to our family in august of 2016! ❤️
Is this expensive?
@@angieruthw it is much easier to afford than traditional adoption. To us it was “cheap” compared to the cost of adopting our son internationally in 2014-2015.
How do you adopt an embryo?
Why did you adopt her?
It would be awesome to see him come back to God.
DvidTheGnome So he's beyond saving? You are very judgement, not the type of judgement that it just and godly. "I mean, what can one do with such a person?" How about: what can GOD do with such a person? Jesus' death on the cross was enough to save me, so it's enough to save him. Pray that he would be.
1000's and 1000's of innocents?? The Canaanites were ANYTHING but innocent. Read Leviticus 18 and 20.
It's about "What Spirit Ye Are Of" as Jesus said, so abandoning Satan and choosing Jesus is always possible as long as you have breath to say "I'm Sorry, please change me", or even "Please help thou mine unbelief!"...
Caiaphas, do you see the difference between the Age of Judgement and the Age of Mercy? The kinds of arguments that the Skeptical Spirit comes up with, (in order to accuse The Highest Authority), are coming from a place of assuming God is not defined as His believers say He is: able to create Life. In OT times God acted out the Just side of His character, while crafting a culture He could be born into without being killed! The Age of Mercy came after His act of sacrifice created a WAY for us guilty humans to approach Him and be saved to Eternal Happiness in His Home! (:D God did set things up so that parents have control over the new Humanity they create. It is hurtful to their own souls to destroy any of their children, since they don't have the power, as God, does to give them new bodies and take them home to Heaven. . Even if you design a leggo toy, you reserve the right to make over a flawed project. If a baby were born to some culture that was about to throw them into Moloch's jaws, or make a slave of them, or teach them to be Moloch-worshipping murderers, can you blame God for just taking them home right away, and causing Israel to set up a better way of doing things once the deceived and murderous society was done away with? Once again, God can give everyone a new and better body when they leave earth, and ten out of ten people do in the end, right?...
There is no coming back, because he never was with God to begin with. ALL of these 'fall away' people were never truly redeemed by God to begin with. They were just going through the motions, religious, etc.
I can’t express how much I love these two men being able to argue from completely opposite ends of the spectrum and even very passionately, yet still love and respect each other so beautifully! Would God that the whole world adopted this spirit!
He loves his sin more than God's truth.
You nailed it.
IBF is not letting God be God just like abortion is doing the same. The magnitude of sin may differ to God but they both are playing God.
God allows sin with long suffering SO that people with a prickable conscience might lead to contrition of ❤ and godly sorrow (2 cor 7:10-11) leading to repentance and works worthy of repentance. Acts 26:20
Because the world has accepted everything... They come out with men like Jenner who transition to women. Women who dress like men. Yeah, the secular world is being fed.
As do we all at many times in our lives. We should always stand for the truth, but also we mustn’t neglect the plank in our own eye because we are too focused on the splinter in our neighbor’s.
Jose Rodriguez they fight u to the tooth 🦷 and nail but heaven and earth shall pass away put God words never pass away .....
I really love how transparent and passionate Jeff was in the last 10 mins of this convo
15:15
"Is it biologically a male or female?"
"She's respected, and a pilot, and has 2 daughters that are successful."
Ok......?
This is what is called dodging the question.
It is irrelevant.
God bless you Jeff.
When you leave this earth for the heavenly kingdom, I know Jesus will introduce you to the countless babies you saved in his name.
Harry Waddington - Whatever your own personal beliefs and opinions you cannot infringe on someone else's right to control their own body!
Harry Waddington - We cannot live in a world where people do not have the right to control their own bodies and their own reproductive systems. I don't think that pro-lifers could really care less about unborn foetuses - they just want control and to punish young women for having sex outside of marriage - and that is what it is really all about. If they could get abortion banned - which they can't - they will start on contraception next!
@@peachesandcream.2612 you are severely mistaken on this view.
Bradley Davis - No, you are severely mistaken in your view! You need to mind your own business, get a life and stop sticking your nose into women's rights!
Harry Waddington - Ha-Ha! 🤣. Yes, women do have the right to kill if they want to! And what are YOU going to do about it exactly??? You are just a pathetic little twit! You cannot control other people's bodies - so shut-up, grow-up - and get a life! Go and do something useful with yourself like volunteering at a homeless or animal shelter - and mind your own business about other people's bodies! You sick, twisted little pervert! 🖕
Jeff, you have blessed me so much with your ministry. Continue to fight the Good fight brother and know that we are continuously praying for you!! God bless you and all!!
May God bless Jeff and the ministry his church does. So many people are being taught how to engage others by these videos.
why did god have to murder all this pregnant women and babies he so perfectly made in his image knowing he was going to give them an horrific death, I'm just so upset
during Noah's flood that is
Man this is heartbreaking 💔. He’s obviously hurt and denying it! Keep praying for him! The Holy Spirit in you Jeff did what it could! One thing we know is that the word of God never returns void!
Totally agree and Jeff is awesome. I would like for him to some work on racism it's being use as a weapon to rip us sale apart. The manufacturer hate is growing fast. Love ya
I like how these men can rationally and respectfully talk about abortion. Too bad a lot of people can not do this.
This conversation is really neat to watch. Both super passionate about their beliefs and world views, but at the end of the day they do respect each other.
I think I just saw how Crafty the devil is.. no offense Errol but u just got your mind twisted by the evil one..
God loves u man.. turn to Him.. He will straighten u up..
Eymie Kipz this crafty devil calls it "Passion" Errol is in denial of a "Possession" from the devil
Definitely respect the amount of respect you both have for each-other and how you can just talk without it turning into a mud slinging contest.
Jeff. Man. You’re inspiring me so much. Praise God for what you’re doing.
I love that you can have a debate with the other side Jeff and be very respectful and kind. It is refreshing to see your work. I appreciate everything you’re doing praise God and all glory be unto God.
Have love for Errol. Errol is like a boy who is playing in a sandbox and has never been to Disneyland. His mother tells him "time to go to Disneyland" but the boy replies to his mother "but mom I'm having so much fun." The boy hasn't experienced true fun (love /truth) because he is to busy in his sandbox. The boys mother is wanting to show him the happiest place in the world. Errol hasn't experienced the true loving God of the Bible. Much love Errol. Blessings and shalom
guard213 I'd rather play in a sandbox than stand in the lines at DisneyLand too. Now if you said DisneyWorld, then I would understand. Heh. Lol.
Nick Jones I find it ironic that you are unable to see reality beyond what the scientific consensus tells you it is, then criticize a group of people who you claim are "indoctrinated" into doing exactly what you are doing. SMH.
NotOfThisWorld567 lol 😂 good one
guard213 I love how you illustrated Errols predicament. Let's pray for him.
Unrelated, but reminds me of a story someone told me that they had told they were taking their kids to a beet farm, and were talking about how awesome this beet farm was going to be for the whole road trip. When they sprung the surprise that they're actually going to Disney World, the kid started crying and was upset because he was so excited to go to this beet farm they told him about lol
Is this Gary Johnson's dad?
Corey Keast lol... New Mexican?
I love when two people who have such different world views are friends and can civilly talk to one another about their opposing position.
Funny how Jeff slowly backs Errol out of the frame as the discussion progresses. The truth unwittingly moved the false out of the picture :)
I love the conversation towards the end. That’s what it’s all about.
Arrow we pray for you. You are a lovely man!
Jeff you are the man! God bless you and everyone who is part of this ministry ❤️❤️❤️
Lol arrow
Jeff... I’ve recently discovered you, And I find myself looking up to you tremendously. I too am a recovering addict/alcoholic. I would love to gain your level a calmness some day. I admittedly have a short fuse. It’s one of my character defects. I enjoy watching how you respectfully talk to these people on the complete opposite side. Also, watching the last bit where you told the commenters to respect that man, really touched my heart. Thank you for putting out these videos. They make my time at work go buy easier.
jeff i love you and your ministry. Because of people like you and guidance through the Holy Spirit it has lead me to learn the original Koine Greek and start a amateur apologetic s channel. God bless you my brother, Gods grace is truly amazing!!
This gentlemen is willing to have the conversation. That is a huge step. Many will not even discuss these issues. Many times it becomes screaming and yelling at each other. Conversation is powerful.
I can see that Jeff and Errol both have so much love for each other. God bless you both
Great job Jeff. Must pray that he comes back to Christ.
from karate kid to hipster ;) I love you brother in Christ praying for you, God bless you
I believe God is speaking of the U.S.A when He describes Babylon as "having shed the blood of the innocence". Therefore, If we don't stop abortion, we as a nation will be punished. If we as a nation repent and obey, He will forgive us and bless us once again. God is clear. If we turn our back on Him, He will turn His back on us.
@Nick Jones God can justly punish people who are willfully in sin. The bloodlines were also tainted by fallen angels and it produced nephilim. Also babies who die are innocent and never had the choice to turn from God and consciously disobey Him. They are brought to Heaven by the grace of God.
@Nick Jones Yes, He is omnipotent, but He also gives us free will. In the scripture it says that Noah was a righteous man and walked in faith. This is why God showed him and his family favor. Can you imagine a world filled with so much evil that there is only ONE man that is worthy of God's mercy? Now like I stated before, God shows mercy to those incapable of making a conscious decision to choose him. So those babies are in Heaven. Let me ask you this, if God is the giver of life, does he not have the right to take it away as well? We know that He is just in all his ways, but loving at the same time. The wages of sin is DEATH, but God in his mercy is so patient, not wishing any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. You see, we as sinners all deserve death, but God wants us to turn from that life, come to Him, and repent.
God does not want robots that love Him. He could have easily made all mankind have to love Him, but that wouldn't be true love. I'm sure you can agree that whether it's your significant other or your child or whoever, you would not want them to love you because they have to. This is why God made the decision to create us with this free will, that He knows, we will use to disobey Him.
On a side note, death is merely the gateway into the afterlife we are headed for. You are probably terrified of death, even if you won't admit it. Because you don't believe there's anything after this life. I am called to have no fear of death because I know what God has in store for me.
@Nick Jones Yes, with His sovereign power He could have cleaned up the bloodline divinely. That still doesn't change the fact that it says these people were evil and it had gone on too long. That does not debunk what I'm saying at all because like I said, people have the free will to deny God and God is just to do with them, within His nature, as He pleases.
A mother and father produce new life through sex in a sense, but life is ultimately only possible and created by Him. I'll use your own argument, why is it wrong for the God of the universe, who is the author of life and the only one who can bring life from death, to take somebody from this life into the next, but it is okay for a woman of the earth to choose life or death for her baby? I do not condone murder in any sense and God does not wish any to perish. You need to understand God's nature before throwing labels on Him.
@Nick Jones 1. You're right, to believe in God's sovereignty, you must first believe there is a God. We can get into the proof of a creator if you would like, but would you agree that if there IS a God, then He would have to be sovereign, right? A being that created all things, knows all things, and is in control of all things?
2. Just because God could control everything divinely, such as miraculously cleansing the bloodlines, does not mean that He is unjust when He does intervene. For the most part, He does not intervene like that because He respects our free will and wants us to choose Him in faith. Aside from the belief that the bloodlines were tainted by fallen angels, God still has the right to justly do with the wicked as He sees fit, does He not? Who is man to question what God does with him when he is in willful rebellion against God?
3. I never said that babies were sinners. Nice assumption but I said that they are in willful rebellion once they are CONSCIOUS of that choice. That comes with development of the brain. Just because these babies who were born of sinners but not sinners themselves probably perished in the flood, does not mean that God is wicked. They unfortunately were subjected to it because they were in the fallen world; but because they WERE WITHOUT SIN, God is gracious and brings them to Heaven. How would sanctification be possible, and how would we turn from our sin towards God if He protected us from every evil thing of this fallen world? God is just and let's us reap the consequences of our sin, sometimes using His own hand to punish as we see with the flood. Stop focusing on the fact that people died in the flood, and ask why God flooded the world.
4. Yes, you and your wife played a big part in the creation of your children, but God is the one ultimately responsible for that to even be possible. He is also the one who knits us together in our mother's womb and creates our spirit. DNA is the instruction manual of our bodies and is so complex that it couldn't have possibly been by accident. The kind of information that DNA provides is of the highest kind of information, it sends an understandable message to the body on what to create. How could that sort of complex system happen by accident? Answer- it can't. For every single part of our body to work, it would have had to of been created all at once, not over billions of years. New information can never be added. It can only be mutated or removed. A being can not create something like eyes to see without that information to begin with. It is a scientific impossibility that life can come from nothing as evolutionists claim. It had to have come from a creator that breathed His life into it.
5. I do not condone murder or rape. Neither does God. Your warped perspective has poisoned your mind against God. In your view, you only see things that happen and say that they wouldn't happen if there was a God. We have to be logical though. I'm sure you're a smart man, so I'm asking you to not look at it in any sort of bias and ask yourself what is more logical. Did everything come from nothing? Or did everything come from an eternal Creator? Was there always nothing until there was something? Or was there always something, that created everything? We only get this life to make the right choice, so turn from your sin, seek Jesus and God, the creator of everything, drop the pride act, and repent of your sins against the Father.
@Nick Jones You are a very angry man. The evidence is right there in your face, but it's no use, you have hardened your heart. I am thankful for the peace and patience God has given me through the fruits of the Spirit. I wish you could understand, but you probably argue like this with people on RUclips every day. So angry, presumptuous, and full of accusations. I am sorry for you. You feel so hurt and attacked that you lash out at people like this, calling them names, claiming they condone things that are detestable to any moral being, and pushing all these arguments that you can't refute to the side by simply claiming that they're debunked. I could tell you a million times that the evidence for God is everywhere, but until you grow up, stop trying to bully people online, and let go of this childish temper tantrum pride, you will always be blind to it. You aren't ready for the truth because it doesn't fit your preconceived ideologies. You don't even have a foundation on which to base your moral standard. So how can you say that anything is immoral or moral? God is the absolute truth in which absolute morality comes from. You can't make a moral argument from your belief. As a man, your family needs you to be the foundation for the family, and it's sad to say but you are not in a position to be that for them. They are going to look up to you and your beliefs, but because of your pride, you will lead them astray. That is, if you haven't already. I will be praying for you because I truly do not want you to perish. You have attacked me and ridiculed me numerous times, but I am called to still love you as a man made in the image of God. Praying that you come to see the light and that your deeds be exposed.
May God show him true peace and heal his wounds. Seems like a great man who just had a traumatic experience with the Church. Thanks for planting the seed Jeff God bless!
You guys are so real for keeping this conversation going after the other cameras stopped rolling.
It hurts to see someone walk through life with a mindset and heart that is so confused and scared to face Truth. It's hard to penetrate someone's defensive feelings when the wall has been built so high. Just plant the seed and hope it grows.
Every day in most of Asia.
2019: Where people know longer know the difference between men and women.
or what bathroom to use
that is actually common knowledge. What is more of a 'grey area' is gender identity, which is simply expanding it's normal boundaries.
@@wylier social constructs will always be gray ideas that's why we need objective truths and morals...
@@wylier yea mental illness will tend to blur objective truths.
This was on my 51st birthday. I was home with my loved ones ❤
Happy late birthday.. God bless
You are the goods Pastor Jeff. God Bless you and your ministry!
Thanks for all you do Jeff! Videos like this have motivated me to pray outside abortion clinics!
Again watching your stuff can make me cry just such a great example of what a true Christian should be like defend Jesus but do it with love I love it
Praying for you Errol
Who is there to harm you if you prove zealous for what is good? But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. And do not fear their intimidation , and do not be troubled , but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame. For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong. For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
1 Peter 3:13-18 NASB
Joose Dotson yes!!!
Reminded me of Israel Folau. Famous Rugby player from Australia. Never backed down & lost his job for standing on the Truth
I love how blunt, critical, yet respectful they are with each other. They don't take anything too personal. It's so interesting.
Jeff is a great pastor and this comes from a place of love
I'm not a professional but at the very end of the video I see deep sadness in Errol's eyes I hope he finds his way.
Liberation from faith feels good in the moment just like a man jumping off a 30 story building feels good in the moment. Neither case ends well, however.
Why do we know jumping off a high building doesn’t end well? Evidence.
Having evidence behind beliefs is valuable.
Faith, belief in the absence of evidence, is anything but liberating. It’s anything but valuable ... it’s downright dangerous.
Evidence, science and reason will put a man on the moon.
Faith will put nineteen hijackers flying into buildings.
Jonathan Oliva wherever you wish to reside your origination of faith does not detract that faith is believing in something without evidence. No where in life would a reasonable individual decide this is a good operating principle in life as it would allow for beliefs we otherwise would never accept.
Faith allows otherwise good people to do the most vile evil things. Religious actions provide the greatest examples of these.
The suicide bomber community is wildly represented by those who act according to their faith.
The genital mutilation community is full of individuals for whom faith informs their actions.
cloud nine I am sorry, but if you are making the correlation of having some evidence in something and that is where you will allow you acceptance in that reality being true to originate from than that isn’t faith.
You use many examples to show this. I will use one myself. Someone might say I have faith my wife loves me. No, no I don’t. Faith is not what I have because I have all their evidence that I use to formulate my reasoning on. I see these tiny little emotions in the way we communicate. There are all these little examples of things she will do to make my day better. It’s all pieces of actual evidence and they build up which allow me to conclude she loves me. Evidence and reason ... not faith.
You are trying to explain how we use evidence and reason to conclude something and squeezing in the concept of faith as the result. Sorry, it doesn’t work like that.
You don’t sit in a jury and listen to the two sides for weeks, go through mountains of evidence and testimony and come out on the other side saying .... the man is guilty, why? Cause I have faith. No, you say the man is guilty because I believe the evidence clearly demonstrates he did the crime.
I invite you to dig deeper and witness what faith actually is. Faith is taking a position inspite of absolutely no evidence. For if you actually had evidence ... you wouldn’t need faith.
The gravity of that thought!
@@pilgrimwings1295 So using words like blind faith or reasonable faith don't change the definition of what it means to have faith. Again, and not mocking at all, faith is the belief in abstention of evidence.
Now if you are claiming that there is evidence of a Creator, that is a different thing entirely. You proceed to use the design found in nature as evidence of a creator. This is easily refuted because we have come to understand the natural, slow, processes which give rise to complex designs we see in nature. Evolution, the slow, without purpose or end result in mind, builds on improvements overtime that results in the hugely complex and varied examples of design all around us. It is without a top down driven purpose, it is based upon basic, understandable and predictable laws.
The literature on this is voluminous and incredibly powerful in its predications. A rather wonderful PBS video concerning the teaching of Creationism in classrooms touches upon these issues ... RUclips ... Judgement Day : Intelligent Design on Trial.
To venture to another concern. It may be impactful for a believer to look at the universe and claim that a designer is required to explain this baffling state of being. But these people are left with a huge hurdle to explain. However unsatisfying the explanations that modern scientists come up with to explain the origins of the universe ... simple beginnings that slowly gave rise to more and more complex features .... for example, hydrogen atoms over millions, billions of years coalescing into groups which grow in size and attract even more hydrogen atoms until a critical mass is achieved and a star, like our sun, is formed ( which we can observe happening today ) ... however difficult to accept this reality may be ... that the universe began from simple beginnings and over time natural processes gave rise to more and more complex features .... postulating the most greatest of all complex things pre-existed outside the universe that gave rise to the universe is even more astounding to believe or explain. You do not get to satisfactory answers by postulating even more complex, HUGELY complex things, from the outset. And by any measure, any God outside the universe and within demands just that.
Now, a natural response is that God exists beyond the universe and therefore does not require to adhere to the same processes or systems as within. That he predates the universe, time and all understanding and therefore DOES NOT REQUIRE explanation.
What this person does is simple decree that this is the case and does not do any favour to his so called explanations. It postulates that an explanation is not required. That it is true because it is true. Its a tautology ... a circular argument and one that is not subject to being disproven. It can neither be proven nor disproven.
This is ... faith!
There is no evidence, nor will there, but I believe it to be true because I have faith. And hey, thats fine, just as long as we don't true to hide it. Stand for what you believe and why you believe it. Faith. No evidence. I believe because I have faith.
The evidence that a dog is a complex creature or the tree is NOT evidence in favour of a designer. We have not just satisfactory answers to why these things are the way they are ... we have the tool which makes accurate predictions time and time again. Just like we can explain gravity, germ disease, how to evolve dogs to form different breeds, why bacteria are the way they are and how to morph them, we understand how the complexity of design has come about, the processes that work towards that and what it all means to any number of questions ... like why men and women are different!
Google the PBS show and please enjoy its level headed description of the issue of intelligent design versus evolution.
He believes in empirical evidence, but a crossdresser is a real woman?...hahah. That's probably why evolutionism is so popular.... They should put this on FailArmy!
@Nobody J it means he's dating a dude that dresses like a woman.
@Nobody J you asked.
evolution became popularly accepted in a past era in which homosexuality was barely acknowledged by society at large, tho.
@@wylier your point?
@@lesblase3667 my point is that there is no connection between believing in evolution and the current 'progressive' ideas about gender.
Jeff is a very gentle brother in Christ .
Bless you brother🙏
As a fellow born-again Christian I would like to make a plea to all other believers to pray for Errol… Never underestimate the power of prayer, the Lord hears the prayers of his children… please pray for Errol, what a likable individual, I would love to walk with this man in the kingdom of heaven!
Hey that's Jamali from Hate The Neighbor on Vice. The one with the British accent. I stopped watching Vice because they perpetuate childish liberalism, worldliness, and have no regard for God. Once, on Twitter, they posted an article titled "Was Jesus Gay?" Or something like that. I was infuriated at the article and afterwards convicted because I supported Vice TV because I liked their shows like Hate Thy Neighbor and Abandoned. I no longer support them.
Thanks for the heads up. Will unsub from them now.
Cam agree! Total disregard for Christ and the Word of God!
Vice is leftist garbage
I CANNOT STAND VICE💥😡💥
Great conversation to illustrate the thinking of those who deny the concept of absolute truth.
This is so real life. Great job Jeff.
Contraception is a blessing, it prevents periods, it prevents conceive an unwanted baby and it prevents abortion.
You should turn away from your sin and turn to JESUS CHRIST. Premarital sex is a sin.Period
Thank God for people like Jeff & Apologia Church who FIGHT for the lives of unborn babies!
Also I know Jeff's passion and heart & guarentee he didn't just not show up or was scared away! Please, he's not scared or frightened by Eerol because Jeff is in Christ Jesus and He's our strength.
A living dog is better than a dead lion. Where there is life there is hope.
If the choice is life with a gay couple or death, choose life and give the person a chance.
Don't have irresponsible/unprotected sex. That's also a way to not overpopulate the world. Instead of killing babies for the mistakes we make.
So what's the answer??
JESUS CHRIST
Ending IVF is his answer to "what do we do with these "unwanted" babies?"
This is the most beautiful and healthiest conversation about one of the most dense topics today I have ever witnessed
This is what respectful dialogue looks like. They disagree with each other and yet still treat each other with dignity.
This old guy creeps me out. It's what happens when you accept and embrace sin for as long as he has - you go down a dark road. I hope he comes to Christ before his end comes and is freed from his burdens.
Taking on a tough conversation, nice to see it peaceful.
Earth is flat though. 😊 God bless
Nerv 001 ... The Earth is not flat.
@Nerv 001 Amen and God Words proves we don’t move. But satan wants us to believe we are flying 66,600 miles per hour and spinning 1000 miles per hour. All lies .
@@tdns01 Antarctica, prove the Earth spins.
Is this satire lol
Wait so Jocelyn from the other video is his boyfriend??
I feel like Jeff was really ministering to Errol. Toward the end you could tell he was getting through to him. I hurt for guys like him. They have been turned off by the church and have chosen a life without God as a result. Pray God opens his eyes through Jeff’s ministry 🙏
I'm praying for the unity of Christians! Protestants, Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, we all need to stand together as one in these important issues and we will be much stronger and be a witness to the world!!
"My truth is I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I........."
Well I hope this guy finally sees that God was never shunning him. Only the sin... the sin he refused to see was already paid for by the blood of Jesus Himself.
Does he have a stutter?
@@Duvmasta no
Jeff, I love your ministry and agree with your purpose. But I couldn't help but think at one point at the end when he was pleading with you that he felt that he saved his own life (from sucking on a 45 ca) that you should have put the drink down and offered to give him a big man huge and tell him that Jesus and you both love him and want him to be at peace! Sometimes as Christians we need to know when to hold them and know when to fold em for the sake of the debate. He was crying out that when he needed love the most that a Christian (not you at this moment) offered nothing but judgement and condemnation. I was just accused of this last night by a good friend who i was trying to bring closer to the Lord and I had to really reflect on my actions because what I certainly don't want to do is drive someone further away from the truth. I don't agree with his life style and choices but in the end it is better to have him walking away thinking you were at least compassionate for his life rather than trying to win that particular debate. Love you brother and keep up the good fight.
Jim Belle-Isle so important, I'll always remember this.
Jim Belle-Isle This is great advise I will try to do this myself when ever I get into a debate with someone. Sometimes we focus so much on the arguments that we forget the person. But as for Apologia Ministries keep up the good work. You guys are awesome.
Do you have a Biblical example of this, to help?
ChîRhôpher Lazarus Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. I have struggled with this very subject and have asked the Holy Spirit for guidance on how to approach this issue in a way that is both compassionate and righteous. We need to spread the gospel to the homosexual community but we are not asked to be the jury, judge and executioner. When spreading the Good News I believe that our desire to when a debate should not overpower the requirement to show compassion and love for our neighbor. After all our own works will not directly save them or convince them but only the Holy Spirit. When you plant a seed be gentle, don't try to over water it and stamp the soil to hard lest you will cause it harm.
+Jim Belle-Isle , Hey Jim, my Brother, thanks for your response. Even more so, Bro, †hank CHRIST in you (The HOLY SPIRIT, Indwelling) Working and Willing; Bless HIS HOLY NAME. i apologize on behalf of Christians who may have given the Good News in a judgemental way (i know i have certainly made many errors, and we learn and grow). We should bring the Law to bare on people's hearts, and the heart of †he Gospel; Both to convert, addressing all we are to Worship The LORD with and in (Such as with, Worship The LORD with all your heart, mind, body, soul, strength; and in, SPIRIT and TRUTH). Having a balanced view is important and is definitely sanctified in space and time, by The ALMIGHTY HIMSELF (I Am The LORD Who Sanctified You). Touch is an important thing. Touch can be powerful. Thus, We should use it carefully. So, if we look in the Bible, looking at CHRIST (or, even HIS Apostles) do they Love on people? Absolutely! It does seem to me that they did it through the proclamation of †he Gospel, the Power of GOD! All rebuke and correction should be given from..?.
i guess some of what caught my eye is that hugs appeal to the flesh; the Gospel does not. Especially, someone demonstrating rebellion in that area. If i were to say anything in the advice sense, it might be more cross centered. Not from ones thinking only, but in proclamation.
Acts of Love are great, and anyone with the Gift of Faith in CHRIST will be producing them, as The FATHER Wills. We Love on people, not so much with hugs (there is room, and indeed a place for it; and a place it should Not be [be careful here]). The Good News is Love of the deepest kind; the very story of The MASTER YESHUA n HIS HOLY LOVE. So, we should indeed Love on them, with The WORD Eternal, as We follow the same. Salvation is by Grace, through [the Gift of] Faith in CHRIST, from GOD. Faith comes by Hearing, and Hearing by The WORD of GOD. May YHWH Bless and Keep you!
My hand is up. I'll take some of those children!
Awesome. Praying for you, Errol!!
May the Lord have Mercy on that man as much as I do as a Blood bought Christian in these days. Let us not cast the first stone, but Praise God for Men like Jeff!
It’s very ironic to watch someone claim to use “logic” and “reasoning” when there arguing about topics but don’t end up using either.
LGBTQPs, Feminists, BLM, Antifa etc all have that in common..
Love Pastor jeff. Great speaker. KEEP TALKING AMD NEVER STOP. Amen amen amen.
9:04 "I think in terms of married people its kind of weird" No, my wife had 2 c sections with several complications so we use condoms because it could be dangerous for her to have another baby. She was also told to wait 2 years before getting pregnant again. Soooo, condoms.
JoeBob Jenkins I think he meant weird if you use it just because...you have a legitimate medical reason.
Or........Natural Family Planning, it actually works well!
JoeBob Jenkins what about an IUD?
JoeBob Jenkins ya I wasn't clear on that. But maybe bc ppl often use condoms to avoid stds bc of sleeping around and not having a monogamous relationship. Would be weird with your only partner you're married to whose only other partner was you. Your situation was a special circumstance, too. When I watch these debates they're kind of "freestyling". U gotta cut some slack bc not premeditated.
JoeBob Jenkins - Weirdo. You couldn’t wait? Haha.
God loves Errol more than anyone ever has or ever will.
I just want to say to Errol that we love you, and God understands your sin. He's not out to condemn you for it, He wants to save you from it.
Hell exists.
If it does (in the way I think you're thinking about it) then a good god does not.
Tort it is one’s choice to go to Hell. God doesn’t want anyone to go, but he is just and the most perfect judge, he cannot let sin into heaven. That is why he sent his son Jesus Christ (God incarnate), and his death has saved me and many others if you truly believe. He did all that and you think he’s not good.
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A bit long, but a few questions:
No one would choose hell if they had pertinent information on hell and it's existence. Unfortunately god does not see it fit to give us such information. Instead we have to rely on science, or provable methods of study. Through study I have come to the conclusion that god(s) do not exist after being a deeply devoted creationist Christian for several years, so my question is: Would it be fair if god punished me for my honest disbelief? Why provide me with such evidence against him? Enough to change my belief?
How is torture, or even annihilation, a better solution than recuperation, educating, or at least a limbo like state where people can live in reflection rather than be endlessly in pain?
So he can take away people's sins unfairly (by placing them on himself. I disagree that a judge punishing himself is fair) but cannot do so after someone dies without belief in Jesus? Why does being alive matter? Why not be able to accept Jesus after you die? If you want my opinion, this is one of the reasons Christianity has become so popular: It relies on faith while being alive and until death.
Yes! Of course I think any being that demands your eternal torture is not good, even if he tries to prevent you from it. It doesn't matter if he created us, gave us everything, came down, yelled in our face, and explained and showed us exactly how and why he is real, if he tortures people eternally for finite crimes how is he good?
If this were any other god with any other set of rules that resulted in eternal torture, even if they were the same rules, would you not be appalled?
The reason for being fruitful and multiplying is to raise up children in the way they should go, for Yahweh.
To teach them to trust in Yahweh and follow the Master Yahshua/Jesus. It is Loving to teach children to love the One who is Life and Love.
The devil makes it easier for them bc he wants you to stay on his path. When you struggle with living for God and turn from sin, the devil makes it harder on them so they could give up
Prayers for Errol. Thanks for this video
YOOOO that Errol guy was amazing! Such a wise man, yet can not turn back to a life fulfilled with Jesus as Jeff was explaining! Hope all the best to him!
Is that the guy from Vices hate thy neighbor talking to pastor Jeff.
Jamali is trying to get cheap talking points so he can selectively edit. He can't hold either guys shoes in this discussion
Errol, thank you for sharing your honest concerns about Christianity. The Christianity you reject (judgmental, hateful, hypocritical) is repulsive. But, it isn't true Christianity. You're upset with a caricature of Christianity that doesn't fit what is going on in most Christian churches. Give is another shot.
Apologia church turns more people away from christ than turning people to christ!
May God bless the work of your hands