I use this Plugin all the time when I mix these days. It adds so much "Mojo" to the sound and for some reason also makes plugins behave differently in an even more pleasing and rewarding way. I often times just use it on individual buses, especially on instruments that have a lot of transients like Vocals, Clean Guitars, and Drums.
Agree with you. I use mix fx in almost every project (basically Console Shaper and Softube Tape). Sometimes the CTC-1(modern console) works great on rock drums. I recommend to find unofficial mixFX manual on a Presonus forums where specified how it works. Really love this feature in Studio One!
A little off topic, but you touched on it. Whenever adding an analog effect listen to the color it adds before tweaking. For example, you recorded a guitar part. You throw on Fat Channel. Have all the EQ settings at zero and listen to the differences between the different EQs. Do the same with the compressors. The color they add at zero can already help.
THANKS Joe. I had no idea about consol shaper and will you it tomorrow Presonus is so so vastly deep yet simple to use. Both you and Gregor are the best. LOVE all your VEDIO content !!! TOZZ
I remember my first mix on Studio One. I learned in the 70’s then took some years. I remember thinking that everything sounded so separate and clinical. I had no idea why, then I tried saturation on an individual channel and didn’t really understand why something so subtle could be so significant. I finally learned how subtle saturation started gluing stuff together. But that first mix was super hard to understand why everything was so separate sounding.
Thanks Joe! Really like the warmth & subtle bass enhancements the basic shaper adds. At least to my ears. I like the ctc-1 a lot. It's so versatile. Great information 💯
I needed this video a month or two ago. 😄 Got help from support about where to find Mix FX. Edit: Actually, I needed this video today too! And for the future! 🤙
Love your vids Joe! Would love a demo of the "character" knob for the custom console, so curious what a sweep of that range sounds like and would love to know what processes it's doing behind the scenes
As usual, a very informative and entertaining tutorial from you. But my important question is, where can I get one of those super cool Studio One tee shirts you're wearing?
Quality always comes at a cost. No matter if it's a high-end EQ, amp modeler or this. You can control CPU load by either processing selected tracks routed to a bus, or you can try ECO mode (CTC-1).
I closed my eyes when you did the comparison. I think PreSonus kicked Harrison Mixbus in the teeth at their own game >_> Or I think Reason tries to do this too with their mixer. This is great!
@@reinklang I think the amount I would pay would have more to do with the algorithm being good enough that a major brand would be willing to put their name on it. I think the current Statespace models included with the Fat Channel and Ampire fall short of those made by other manufacturers and I'd like to see them held to a higher standard, as would hopefully happen in the licensing process.
I didn't know about this at all this is quite awesome. However I think the reason the sound changes so much is because its PRE inserts? So it's basically destroying your mix because comp thresholds etc aren't set up properly anymore. Would be nice to have it either apply post or pre your normal inserts.
@@orryfishburne5326 Pretty sure that's the Neve. Tube is the EMI REDD. They also make two more console plugins you can buy: "Alpine" and "Brit". Those are API and SSL consoles respectively. www.presonus.com/products/retro-mix-legends
are Presonus still developing the MixFX engine? We've not seen anything new to the range for a while. Also Slate Digital was meant to be developing a MixFX, what happened with that?
They just showed it to you. They teased you with Mix FX so you would "BUY" what it is used for. Pretty slick of em ain't it? Or PAY for Sphere which most of us don't want.
That's amazing, I've looked at those plugins a hundred times and wondered what they are for! Now I'm going to have to back and remix everything I've done for the last 6 months, lol! To my ears, it adds that glue that bods everything together. Any chance you could do a video on master buss processing please?
Its a great feature BUT i hope you guys can fix the issue with channels receiving sidechain input from other channels not being affected with mixFx plugins.
I tried it out, they showed up on my master subs which is fine. I tried it on a new re-mix for an upcoming video of a song I have out. I really didn't add to much because I am already mixing with console one that does the same thing but it does not have the cross talk which is interesting. Personally I'm not a fan of cross talk but perhaps a bit of an underlying bit of it would help glue the mix. If I were to use that feature, I think I'd use it before adding processing to the master subs so I can add post EQ on the subs with that in mind. When I was doing live recordings I was used to masking a mix and really good at it. That is sort of the same thing that is going on in an analog console and on analog tape recorders.
I am a Console 1 user so some of the functions of this are in there (like the drive on each channel), but not the ability to mix it into the "MixFX" across the channels (which would be really awseom Softube if you are listening, and since you allow "tape" to be used that way). I really like the Console 1 and the various emulations I have for it and I wonder how much overkill this is on top of that - layers of drive and whatnot; with the Console 1 intending to BE the console strip for each channel and with other functions (EQ, Compression, etc). I picked up the Console 1 after trying the built-in Console Shaper because I thought it sounded terrible and the Console 1 sounds amazing, but now, as a Sphere member, I picked up the CTC-1 to see how it works and it definitely sounds better (to me) than the built in Console shaper but without the extra awesomeness of the Console 1 stuff. What to do!? So many great choices. I think I will add them all and turn them up to eleven! :) Thanks for the clear and non-confusing explanation of these.
@Michael Lochlann Hey now, it can't be *all* bad. Try starting a mix over. Do gain staging first, everything by category should have a bus, EQ and Compression on buses if needed. Do surgical things on individual tracks after that if needed.
I just see that it moved a saturation plugins on my master into the Mix FX list, its not in the insert list anymore, but is visible in the Mix FX list, only. Of course I tried to figure out how to do this, but now its not happening when I add another saturation or channel plugin in an insert slot. How do I move the plugin from the insert slot to the Mix FX list? And how do I take one out that I dont want there?
What would be really crazy is having this DSP built in to StudioLive consoles. This alone makes me want to buy StudioOne Pro. UA Luna has a similar “mix buss” feature. In addition you can do the same kind of thing but instead of console emulation it adds tape emulation. Presonus please add tape emulation to Studio One!
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Nice intro. Two buttons that got missed on CTC-1: "Channel" and "Bus". You dropped it on the Master Bus, but left it set for "Channel". What's the difference in function? Does either effect channels differently? Should it be on "Bus" when on the Master Bus? Inquiring minds need to know... It's not in the manual!! Thnx
Hey PreSonus, please fix the issue of the Mix Engine FX not applying to tracks that have side-chain inputs to them! I understand the idea is to not double the processing, but most of the time, the side chain is not heard, it's actually used for detection purposes (side-chain compression for ex), not actually heard, so you're not doubling anything. In electronic music, a lot of channels use this side-chaining, if half, or more than half of the tracks do not actually get processed, its basically useless! Not saying to change the functionality completely - maybe both functionalities are desired - but it should not be a big deal to have a switch to activate/deactivate processing on each channel with side chain inputs. I bought CTC-1 non knowing this, and I really love the sound, I would love to use it but I can't because of this.
"Hey Joe!" (--Jimi Hendrix) I notice that CTC-1 sounds more open, and takes more than twice as much CPU at 96k vs 44.1k. Does this mean that the CTC-1 saturation is aliasing at 44.1k, or is there some ingenious algorithm to deal with this problem? Thanks!
Why would anyone replicate malfunctions from the analog days? I dislike “noise” on analog-modeled plug-ins. But that’s just me, some people love that plug-in. I don’t use console shaper.
@@andikoyama Thanks, Andi. That is where I looked and it used to be there (I bought it long before Sphere) but it has disappeared. I'm trying to reinstall, but as usual with this kind of thing, PreSonus is the opposite of helpful.
I am a Sphere member an I can only get the console shaper, i went to sphere and downloaded CTC but it said it was already installed? Does anyone know why that would be. The CTC thing ain't showing up at all.
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I use this Plugin all the time when I mix these days. It adds so much "Mojo" to the sound and for some reason also makes plugins behave differently in an even more pleasing and rewarding way. I often times just use it on individual buses, especially on instruments that have a lot of transients like Vocals, Clean Guitars, and Drums.
I hope Presonus is still working and developping things about the MixFX engine ... It's a GREAT feature of S1 !
So true, basically only 3 apps you can use with it
Agree with you. I use mix fx in almost every project (basically Console Shaper and Softube Tape). Sometimes the CTC-1(modern console) works great on rock drums. I recommend to find unofficial mixFX manual on a Presonus forums where specified how it works. Really love this feature in Studio One!
I keep finding out more and more of all the hidden features in studio one. Thanks so much for all these little tutorials!
A little off topic, but you touched on it. Whenever adding an analog effect listen to the color it adds before tweaking. For example, you recorded a guitar part. You throw on Fat Channel. Have all the EQ settings at zero and listen to the differences between the different EQs. Do the same with the compressors. The color they add at zero can already help.
THANKS Joe. I had no idea about consol shaper and will you it tomorrow
Presonus is so so vastly deep yet simple to use.
Both you and Gregor are the best. LOVE all your VEDIO content !!!
TOZZ
I remember my first mix on Studio One. I learned in the 70’s then took some years. I remember thinking that everything sounded so separate and clinical. I had no idea why, then I tried saturation on an individual channel and didn’t really understand why something so subtle could be so significant. I finally learned how subtle saturation started gluing stuff together. But that first mix was super hard to understand why everything was so separate sounding.
We love you presonus and studio one ! thank you for all
Thanks Joe! Really like the warmth & subtle bass enhancements the basic shaper adds. At least to my ears. I like the ctc-1 a lot. It's so versatile. Great information 💯
Thanks had no idea how this worked, but will definitely be using it.
Wow. I ignored tis, UNTIL NOW! Thanks Joe
This is a great feature and it makes a noticeable difference in my mixing!
Thank you.. what you said at the beginning of the video is exactly what happened to me.. this video is very useful
I needed this video a month or two ago. 😄 Got help from support about where to find Mix FX.
Edit: Actually, I needed this video today too! And for the future! 🤙
yay another video from Joe, making my day
this gives depth to the mix, the missing ingredients.
Wow I’m gonna use this a lot now. Added something special to your mix haha
Love your vids Joe! Would love a demo of the "character" knob for the custom console, so curious what a sweep of that range sounds like and would love to know what processes it's doing behind the scenes
Thanx a lot! I use Mix Console almost on every track! It's really cool sounding thing! Regards! )
As usual, a very informative and entertaining tutorial from you. But my important question is, where can I get one of those super cool Studio One tee shirts you're wearing?
I love the sound of MixFX (CTC1 and softube tape are amazing) but they are definitely very cpu intensive.
Quality always comes at a cost. No matter if it's a high-end EQ, amp modeler or this. You can control CPU load by either processing selected tracks routed to a bus, or you can try ECO mode (CTC-1).
I closed my eyes when you did the comparison. I think PreSonus kicked Harrison Mixbus in the teeth at their own game >_> Or I think Reason tries to do this too with their mixer. This is great!
It would be pretty sweet to get some licensed "consoles" from Neve, API, SSL etc. I'd buy em.
Would you really be willing to pay more for a name or label if under the hood it's the same?
@@reinklang I think the amount I would pay would have more to do with the algorithm being good enough that a major brand would be willing to put their name on it. I think the current Statespace models included with the Fat Channel and Ampire fall short of those made by other manufacturers and I'd like to see them held to a higher standard, as would hopefully happen in the licensing process.
I didn't know about this at all this is quite awesome. However I think the reason the sound changes so much is because its PRE inserts? So it's basically destroying your mix because comp thresholds etc aren't set up properly anymore. Would be nice to have it either apply post or pre your normal inserts.
Didn't sound like it destroyed the mix to me. Probably also why you would set it up first...
R u guys going to expand on mix fx? I would love to see a Neve, API, and SSL emulation for the mix fx.
Take a closer look at CTC-1, specifically the "Classic" model.
@@reinklang thanks for the tip. Which one is the "classic" supposed to be?
@@orryfishburne5326 Pretty sure that's the Neve. Tube is the EMI REDD. They also make two more console plugins you can buy: "Alpine" and "Brit". Those are API and SSL consoles respectively. www.presonus.com/products/retro-mix-legends
Retro mix classics.
@@vigilantestylez lol thanks for the response. They actually released that add on shortly after i posted that comment. Haha
11:50 are words to live by.
are Presonus still developing the MixFX engine? We've not seen anything new to the range for a while. Also Slate Digital was meant to be developing a MixFX, what happened with that?
They just showed it to you. They teased you with Mix FX so you would "BUY" what it is used for. Pretty slick of em ain't it? Or PAY for Sphere which most of us don't want.
Slate is known for vapourware from time to time!
What a blast! THX for this
That's amazing, I've looked at those plugins a hundred times and wondered what they are for! Now I'm going to have to back and remix everything I've done for the last 6 months, lol! To my ears, it adds that glue that bods everything together.
Any chance you could do a video on master buss processing please?
When should you use the phase button when mixing????
Which preset emulates which type of analouge console?
What does the motif in the yellow stands for on the custom console? Mines doesn't have that
How can I get one of them Studio One t-shirts?
Its a great feature BUT i hope you guys can fix the issue with channels receiving sidechain input from other channels not being affected with mixFx plugins.
Awesome sauce
Is there a way to use these plugins in a studiolive console? Or is this exclusive to studio software?
Correct me if I'm wrong but cross talk was the tape machines or in the original recording such as mic bleed, not the console.
actually, I didnt't find theses pling ins in my presonus account? where can I buy them? thnaks
Great video! thank you so very much
amazing sound. You rawk Joe. Thanks.
I really wish that some more third party developers would work with this. Only Softube's Tape works. I want more flavors.
@Keyon Rich Just that. Softube's Tape can be used as a mix engine effect. I want there to be more.
Yooo Joe!!!!
Gems 💎
Thanks for the Information
Can you turn off a channel on the crosstalk?
Once you turn the crosstalk on you seem to get input from every channel even if lowered and muted
I was thinking the same,Maybe those little green lights are to bypass I hope?I'm assuming the idea is to glue everything together though.
I tried it out, they showed up on my master subs which is fine. I tried it on a new re-mix for an upcoming video of a song I have out. I really didn't add to much because I am already mixing with console one that does the same thing but it does not have the cross talk which is interesting. Personally I'm not a fan of cross talk but perhaps a bit of an underlying bit of it would help glue the mix. If I were to use that feature, I think I'd use it before adding processing to the master subs so I can add post EQ on the subs with that in mind. When I was doing live recordings I was used to masking a mix and really good at it. That is sort of the same thing that is going on in an analog console and on analog tape recorders.
Thanks!
Hey Joe does studio one have a stock saturation plugin
I am a Console 1 user so some of the functions of this are in there (like the drive on each channel), but not the ability to mix it into the "MixFX" across the channels (which would be really awseom Softube if you are listening, and since you allow "tape" to be used that way). I really like the Console 1 and the various emulations I have for it and I wonder how much overkill this is on top of that - layers of drive and whatnot; with the Console 1 intending to BE the console strip for each channel and with other functions (EQ, Compression, etc). I picked up the Console 1 after trying the built-in Console Shaper because I thought it sounded terrible and the Console 1 sounds amazing, but now, as a Sphere member, I picked up the CTC-1 to see how it works and it definitely sounds better (to me) than the built in Console shaper but without the extra awesomeness of the Console 1 stuff. What to do!? So many great choices. I think I will add them all and turn them up to eleven! :) Thanks for the clear and non-confusing explanation of these.
I think we need a contest mixing with the Broken Console preset. 😁
@Michael Lochlann Hey now, it can't be *all* bad. Try starting a mix over. Do gain staging first, everything by category should have a bus, EQ and Compression on buses if needed. Do surgical things on individual tracks after that if needed.
thank you Joe i put it on my mix But i did not put it the right way but i got it how .
mixbus with less extra steps for routing?
I just see that it moved a saturation plugins on my master into the Mix FX list, its not in the insert list anymore, but is visible in the Mix FX list, only. Of course I tried to figure out how to do this, but now its not happening when I add another saturation or channel plugin in an insert slot. How do I move the plugin from the insert slot to the Mix FX list? And how do I take one out that I dont want there?
What would be really crazy is having this DSP built in to StudioLive consoles.
This alone makes me want to buy StudioOne Pro. UA Luna has a similar “mix buss” feature. In addition you can do the same kind of thing but instead of console emulation it adds tape emulation.
Presonus please add tape emulation to Studio One!
Presonus 32s, Studio 5 pro Question: this is the situation. Guitar-pedals-DI-32s-studio-board-JBL EONS….. problem: I’m trying to get the studio sound of guitar, using Amplitube for amp and cabinets, to come out live. Unfortunately I get the raw guitar in the sound also. Assuming it comes directly from the board and is mixed with the studio sound. How do I stop the raw (clean) sound. Rookie status here. Kinda.
Nice intro. Two buttons that got missed on CTC-1: "Channel" and "Bus". You dropped it on the Master Bus, but left it set for "Channel". What's the difference in function? Does either effect channels differently? Should it be on "Bus" when on the Master Bus? Inquiring minds need to know... It's not in the manual!! Thnx
"Channel" and "Bus" refer to the automatic gain compensation and where it's applied. On the individual channel stage or at the (bus) output stage.
Very informative!!! Thanx Presonus
this is killer
Whenever I export a song with console shaper on it, the audio skips. Can anyone help?
Hey PreSonus, please fix the issue of the Mix Engine FX not applying to tracks that have side-chain inputs to them! I understand the idea is to not double the processing, but most of the time, the side chain is not heard, it's actually used for detection purposes (side-chain compression for ex), not actually heard, so you're not doubling anything. In electronic music, a lot of channels use this side-chaining, if half, or more than half of the tracks do not actually get processed, its basically useless!
Not saying to change the functionality completely - maybe both functionalities are desired - but it should not be a big deal to have a switch to activate/deactivate processing on each channel with side chain inputs. I bought CTC-1 non knowing this, and I really love the sound, I would love to use it but I can't because of this.
"Hey Joe!"
(--Jimi Hendrix)
I notice that CTC-1 sounds more open, and takes more than twice as much CPU at 96k vs 44.1k.
Does this mean that the CTC-1 saturation is aliasing at 44.1k, or is there some ingenious algorithm to deal with this problem?
Thanks!
It seemed to take away some top end on the kick and make it more pillowey. Bit too much but good for some things for sure.
Why would anyone replicate malfunctions from the analog days? I dislike “noise” on analog-modeled plug-ins. But that’s just me, some people love that plug-in. I don’t use console shaper.
You can turn it off
Console shaper is due for an update. I was expecting one in studio one 5
How can i found this fx ??
Is it possible to add other plugins as mix fx? for example, the slate digital tape and vmr
No. Only CTC and Softtube Tape
raw 🔥
I'm a Sphere member and don't see CTC-1. Is there something you have to do to turn to make that available?
It's only in the "mix fx" folder. Or click the small "+" in mixer's mix fx slot (the one on the top before regular inserts).
@@andikoyama Thanks, Andi. That is where I looked and it used to be there (I bought it long before Sphere) but it has disappeared. I'm trying to reinstall, but as usual with this kind of thing, PreSonus is the opposite of helpful.
Yo Joe how would you compare this to Waves NLS?
Way better
@splurgekingrail
You mean CTC 1 is way better than NLS??
Definitely i used NLS for years but when i put ctc 1 on it feels and sounds like a real analog summing compared to the NLS
@@splurgekingrail
That's wassup bro.. appreciate you letting me know that. 💯 👊🏽
@@splurgekingrail
Which console in the CTC 1 emulates the SSL?
I am a Sphere member an I can only get the console shaper, i went to sphere and downloaded CTC but it said it was already installed? Does anyone know why that would be. The CTC thing ain't showing up at all.
Go to the studio one tab and look for Activations. You gotta activate it after you install it. Hope it helps :)
@@CambioDeTono Thanks very much. That got it working.
@@treblehelix7200 glad to help! Happy mixing!
Laugh, but I've been running S1 Sphere for a year or so and had no clue this existed.
Honestly I can’t hear a difference
Just sounds like he’s turning up the volume
i use that thing on everyfucking thing i do. there it is, i said it.
Nope!