I have to thank you the fact that you DO take the time to explain even the simplest and basic concepts so even debutants can understand you. It is a HUGE added value to your videos, something missing in other RUclipsrs that are maybe for more experienced audience with the same high quality content but hard for some of us to follow. Please keep it like that, cheers!
Don’t plan on doing my first ever build until around January. Have been watching everything for almost a year. Hoping by then things cool down and maybe AMD will have their GPUs out by then too. Your videos are the best explaining at bang for buck hardware.
I’m so grateful I found this channel. Quality content, straight to the point, useful info without bombarding us with ads and multiple sponsors per video like LTT. Thank you!!
Awesome video PC Builder! I bought yesterday the ASRock X670E Steel Legend with ryzen 9 7950x and the sweet spot ddr5 g.skill tridentZ5 neo RGB 6000mh 16gb x2 cl30! Glad to see this motherboard in your recommended section. I was a bit worried about audio but I will see later how it sounds. The only thing I don't like in this motherboard is the second pcie x16 slot with only 4x connected. Kinda dissapointed in that but overall this motherboard looks fantastic!
I ordered the Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX with the 7600X 😃 Edit: Speccing out my first build since 2016. The current rig is an FX6300 CPU with an r9 270X GPU... Well over due for an upgrade me thinks.
Bonus content from Jason. That always makes a day better. I currently am very happy with my 5600x paired with a 6700xt so I doubt I will upgrade to a 7000 anytime soon. I would probably go with a 670 if I did upgrade
@Shorts Kittu Cats All the Jason in one thread! lol You can edit 4k on a 6700xt, it'll just take a long time compared with its' nVidia counterparts. AMD GPUs are a solid choice for gaming, but for productivity and multitasking, nVidia still has a significant advantage, apples to apples. Given nVidia's recent behavior, I don't blame anyone wanting to avoid them, but time is money after all.
Price vs benefit..you have a 5900x variant cheaper than 5800x3d anytime time you want, which is also a gaming perspective ugrade...so, a value only for 350 to 450$ more vs 1000+$ cpu,mb,ram of 7000 series to last more than 3 years..Even for a new built...
Thank you for another great video! 😸 Waiting to see the b series lineup too! (Still looking at the 5000 series for my first build, but damn! Can't help but being excited about the new shiny tech! 😸)
Yo watched this like 5 times and am a bit torn What's ur opinion on Asus Pro Art X670e vs the Asus Strix Gaming x670e-e? I'm building a new workhorse pc that is literally all purpose from 4k editing to high end VR gameplay and recording, streaming etc. I'm really torn between the 2. I don't need the 10gb lan but the usb 4 seems nice to have, the 16+2 power phase concerns me but I only plan on using the automatic overclocking features of the 7950x would this be enough? Full build should be 4090, 1300w psu, 32gb 6000 ddr5 and a 7950x. Only reason I passed on the asrock x670e tachi was the lack of the lower pcie lane but if you feel that would be a better option i'm still considering it! Any guidance would be appreciated!
It's ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS especially with these x670e motherboards where the price is around $500 just for the motherboard and then $300 for the cheapest cpu. You can almost build a pretty decent PC ( as long as you're willing to buy a used gpu) for the same cost as the mobo and cpu. IT'S FU@KING RIDICULOUS
I'm really glad I watched this video, seems like I was about to over spend like $200 more because there were a few things I didn't understand and I was ignorant. But yes I agree with you, after the $335~ price point, the cost of these boards soar way high and there are significant diminishing returns for the money spent. Great job on the video! I'm grateful for the explanation.
@@PCBuilderChannel btw quick question, for boards that don't have SPDF port, do I have to buy an S/PDIF mini board separately and use motherboard's built in S/PDIF connector or is there a work around??
I have just purchased the ASROCK 670XE PRO RS for my Ryzen 7900x be at home with. Never spent a great deal on a motherboard in the past so this was quite expensive for my liking (£350 gbp). The audio codec isn't really a issue for me as if i want to improve that you can by other means. But all the other stuff is very nice and it does look great.
It's great. I like so many RUclips tech people in this space. I like LTT, GN, Paul, PC Builder, Gamers Meld, etc, all for different reasons. You all do a different style video, deliver different levels of entertainment, and some deliver information more quickly than others. Some are more detailed, some are more summarized. But I like it all. So cheers. Even though I've already seen two other AM5 motherboard videos, I'm still watching you.
Picked up a 7700x with the free 32 gig ram promo from microcenter but waiting on boards. Getting a cheaper board with no PCIe5 or only 1 just does not seem to make much sense unless you plan on ripping out the board to replace it in the future. Features wise, as a content creator, I REALLY like the idea of the Asus Pro Art.... dual PCI-e 5 if I want to run dual gpus, more importantly for some fast NVMEs to work off of locally and transfers.... (each video I do is easily 100 to 200 gigs). And of course the idea of thunderbolt sounds great for color grading monitors and transferring files to either a DAS... OR 10 gig ethernet if transfering to a NAS... oh.... and it does not look like the neon/RGB fairy spit up all over it. lol. Yes, it's $500... but seems more like a "buy once, cry once" proposition for at least the next 5 years or so. with the cheaper boards... its like might as well have stayed on Ryzen 5000 and X570. =) And I am guessing the new Radeon cards coming out in November will be PCI-e 5.0.
I've used to Asrock x670e Pro Rs for a while now and I am supper satisfied, especially on the bios and firmware side and gen5 m.2 is something that made my workflow smooth.
First time watching your videos I’ve primarily watched GN as I only like actual nerds with real informative information and statistics rather than “for the views” kinda people. Liked and subbed! I’ll be following along as I plan my upgrade from x570 gen 3/3080
Thanks really informative video just want to know, can I buy any of the cheap motherboards from start of the video for 7950x? there wont be any power issue right?
HECK YES!! finally showing the steel legend series some love lol.... i still absolutely love my b550matx steel legend mobo.. the finish is just super clean and gives me everything i need. and has no issues running the 5800x
Honestly none of the gen5 nvme I've seen specs for even max out gen4 bandwidth. We saw the same thing with the first gen4 nvme not being able to saturate gen3 bandwidth. There's probably a measurable difference if you set up ur benchmark just right, but nothing anyone would ever be able to tell. Congrats on getting this video out so early. Ur a machine lol
I only just watched this having made my purchase 2 weeks ago (ASUS TUF Gaming plus WiFi) and pleased that you liked it. I went for this because I needed a decent motherboard to go with the 7900 that so impressed me at low power. If you're spending this much, I reckon the lower midrange is best and I don't mind paying an extra 10% for a fuller set of capability (even if I don't need it now), a nice look + I like ASUS boards. Glad you covered it and keep up the good stuff.
You are such a fontain of knowledge,that I can understand. Can I ask you, if you conecting your audio,such as headphone, microphone, by USB does the system uses the audio codec 1220 or or the 4080, in these motherboards? Or we have to connect to the rear pannel with the input jack?Does it matter?
THANK YOU! You have the best videos and they have made me so confident in building my PC. I've learned so much from you and I just subscribed to your channel yesterday. Been studying PC build for about a month and soon I will build my own hopefully in a couple of months or less. I am buying parts with pride and knowledge thanks to you! Keep up the great work and blessing to our community!
Idk if this is just me but I prefer how teh 400 series boards looked, Z490 B450 X470-X570 looked great to me. Teh new ones are trying to look too sleek and futuristic.
You're the goat man. One thing I'll say about motherboards, I'll overspend as much as it takes for a dr debug lol. It's crazy that the motherboard manufacturers make you pay $300+ for a couple of seven segment displays
New Sub I was wondering a few things off topic. I'm thinking about getting a new high end Laptop from either CLX or Falcon NW the DRX or OSISIS. Which in your opinion is the coolest temp cpu i7 10700k 11700k 12700h 3,5 ghz i9 11900k
I'm waiting for 650 boards to release to see if the 670 chipsets come down a bit. Historically that happens, but I'm not super hopeful this time around.
Thanks for the round-up. I went with the Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Gene. I wanted a mATX board and I didn't mind the high price since I'll keep this board through several generations of future AMD CPUs and it had all the enthusiast features I wanted in a compact form factor, such as USB4 and three M.2 slots. It is a beautifully-engineered board which looks great, too.
Hey! Great video, but Im asking if u could do some type of video when the B series launches with some kinda of build with the new 7600x... it would be cool cuz im trying to build my first pc and idk if I should wait for this new series of cpu/mb/ram... so yeah thanks anyways for the great video ;D
My god this video was exactly what i was searching for, greatly structured, exactly what i was asking myself with all questions covered. Thank you so much for the great content! Looking out for your video on the B650 Series :)
Honestly gr8 work u r doing. U made the explanation so much easy, I was getting more n more focussed in what u were saying. Keep it up. Btw, want to get ur opinion on a PC build that I wana do. I was originally planning to do a DDR4 build with 5900x for main use of running VMs, which would make it more affordable. But since Ryzen 7000 launched, which shows a lot of performace uplift, like crossing 5+ GHz, I literally got excited. But then I learned the bitter truth, that is, Expensive CPU + Expensive MOBO + Expensive RAM + Expensive SSD PCIe5. And since AMD mentioned only for it to be there till like late 2025, should I go with Ryzen 7000 or going with 5900x/64GB RAM DDR4/1TB SSD Gen 3, will have me covered for like next 10 years for mostly running VMs?
That's a great question. I think that 5900X build will be an absolutely beast. But you might want to wait a bit and see how the Ryzen 7000 performance numbers change when the next gen gpus become available next month. For more on that see the 7900X build we did on the channel. The launch of the new Intel CPUs and Black Friday will also likely affect Ryzen 5000 and Ryzen 7000 pricing so it might not hurt to give it a few weeks and see what happens.
I'd like to post some clarification surrounding USB4, USB-C and Thunderbolt, which is important for those creators depending on Thunderbolt devices. USB-C by itself is just a connector; it doesn't specify anything about what it should be capable of (well mostly). The comparison is actually between USB4 and USB3 (and all of its substandards, like 3.1, 3.2 gen1, 3.2 gen2, 3.2 gen2x2, 10gbps, 20gbps, 40gbps, DP, PD, etc.). One thing to mention is that the extra connectivity, like higher power delivery and displayport, are constrained to be possible only through USB-C. The dangerous thing is that USB4 is not Thunderbolt 4, despite them using the same connector type. While a Thunderbolt 4 port is backwards compatible as a USB4 port, it is not the same the other way around. Thunderbolt 4 by itself uses an entirely different protocol, but when you plug in an USB device, it basically functions as a USB4 port but with all substandards/connectivity included. A Thunderbolt port will need to have that lightning bolt symbol next to the port to indicate it being a Thunderbolt-capable port. At the moment of writing, only the ASRock X670E Taichi offers USB4+TB4 connectivity, and the Gigabyte Aero D that is not released yet (which will have USB4+TB3). The other X670(E) boards that have USB4 (which right now are from ASUS) do NOT support the Thunderbolt protocol. Most remaining ASUS, Gigabyte and ASRock boards have a thunderbolt pin-header, for which you must buy a brand specific add-in card (AiC) that will slot into a PCIe slot (which will probably need x8 PCIe4.0 lanes?) used to add USB4+TB4 connectivity. None of these AiCs have been released yet. However, that ASUS ProArt Creator motherboard recommended for creators in the video does not have a TB4 header, and will therefore never support Thunderbolt. So if you need Thunderbolt support (to connect devices using a Thunderbolt controller), get the ASRock X670E Taichi, wait for the Gigabyte Aero D, or get a motherboard that will have a USB4+TB4 AiC.
@@x8jason8x Agree! If the pilot product for v-cache, 5800x3d, is anything to form a baseline from it runs crazy hot. When I overclocked my not great bin of a 5800x to 4.7 ghz all core, liquid metal was needed to pull as much heat from the CPU as possible. Its really alarming that zen 4 was designed to run at 95 degrees C.
pcie gen 5 graphics cards would be a game changer. Even if it wouldn't saturate a gen 4 16x lanes bc i would then have no qualms about running it at gen 5 8x lanes. This would then save me 8 lanes which i could use for a whole lot of different things
Only reason I can think of for pcie gen 5 is having a few VMs running on the same drive?? But haven’t seem this benchmarked so it would be a shot in the dark.
Great video, thank you, but I'd like to hear/learn more about "audio codecs" on motherboard... How to know which ones are high quality and which ones are not, and what exactly is the purpose of "audio codec", what's that thing exactly, how can you use it, is it for headphones, speakers or what, etc... :)
On x670 it is pretty binary because there are no boards with "middle step" codecs like the ALC1100, ALC1200, etc. They are either entry level ones ALC897, or they immediately jump up to the best available (ALC1220 & ALC4080). I do expect we'll see some more of the middle step ones in B650 as board makers look to trim costs down a bit more. When we do the best motherboard for Ryzen 7000, we will do an audio section and go into codecs a little more in detail - just waiting for B650 to launch.
Hello, you videos are always very helpful and i appreciate them. Is it possible if you can make a video explaining power stages and what motherboards to avoid when it comes to this and in general when it comes to certain features being lacking or features that increases the price but are not for everyone?
@1:19 @PC Builder Now when we have 870/870E and they are the same like 670/670E (only ubs4 support is different between) what You think for future CPUs suppoet of 670/670E? They will fully suport the zen 6 or?
Currently we only have 6 x AM5 mother boards available and all of them seem higher priced than the US 😵💫 MSI Pro X670-P Wifi - $375 ROG Strix X670E A Gaming - $468 ROG Strix X670E F Gaming - $495 Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master - $649 Asus ROG Hero X670E - $765 Asus ROG Crosshair X670E - $990 Guess we waiting for B650 🙈
Hey jason your videos are great thanks for putting in the work for us. I have an MSI b450 gaming plus atx mobo. Can you tell me if it has bios flashback or how I can find out. Thanks in advance.
Imagine all those prices, but 55% higher, that's what we have to pay in Canada. Absolutely unbelievable motherboard prices! At least processors only have the regular ~30% exchange rate price increase.
@@PCBuilderChannel Canada: ... 55% higher than these, absolutely unbelievable ... EU: Only 55% higher? Hold my beer, my wallet, my left kidney... and that's only for the first installment for buying a budget AM5 mobo as for now... These 0-day launch prices... I'm sure I'm not the only one that stands in awe of this all Glad I went AMD all the way 2021, now I feel settled for couple of years. Let's hope AM5 will age like the AM4 did.
asus x670e hero is what i'm looking at only because i have a i7 6700k setup with the old hero vlll version and it rocks. I just need something that is amazing for high level music production but i do enjoy athletics. Let me know your thoughts. So far i bought a y60 case and 7950x!
@todotecnoarg Personally I have not had any issues whatsoever. I'm not sure what reviews have been left by other people, but I can confirm that it is a beast of a motherboard. I haven't touched much except fan speeds and EXPO profiles being that it supports DDR5 Ram. If I were to upgrade any component such as Mthrbrd, CPU, or GPU it would be the Mthrbrd last. There are Gen 5 PCIE slots included that future proof the need for a Mthrbrd when GPU (or other hardware) is eventually made for PCIE 5. Almost forgot, but the built in graphics ALMOST gives no need to a GPU it seems, and the audio/wifi/bluetooth drivers explain themselves in their quality. Am running a RX 7800 XT and R9 7900 X. Solidworks (CAD program) and any AAA game at highest settings are absolutely no problem.
Problem is that all the X670 and X670E boards are about the same price. A B650 board might be more valued though for most people. I opted for the X670-E because this is a new platform and I want to make sure it is future proofed for a little while.
I wanted to upgrade my 2700x system to a 7700x/7800x system..but now I'm hesitant. at the moment the entrylevel x670/x670e on amazon are going for $650+....wtf? so ddr5+7700x+M
@@PCBuilderChannel I've decided to go with a 5700x. I've updated the bios of my mobo and the 5700x works in my old mobo... it costs me $250 and I dont have to buy new cooler, ram, mobo etc.So the 10%-15% performance aren't worth ~$1000+ extra, I will rather spend this money on the new GPUs.
Thanks Jason! I need USB ports more than PCI-E slots and I don't overclock much... sounds like I may get the most basic board just for longevity purposes. PCI-E 5.0 for graphics is a total waste even for the next few years as you said, so 'maybe' I'll have a PCI-E 5.0 SSD at some point, but that's about it. I hope you'll review the B series when it's out next week!
Thank you! We do have more up to date Ryzen Motherboard guides on the channel you can check out too. In particular see our Best Ryzen Motherboard 2024 video
What motherboard would you recommend for a ryzen 7 7700x with a 3080 and I would like to be able to upgrade these in the future so what mother board would be slightly over kill but after some upgrades would be perfect.
What would you recommend between AS Rock X670E Steel legend and ASUS Strix B650E-E. With current Newegg offers they’re both in the same range. I’m a novice overclocker and I would like to keep the board I get for the next 5 or so years. Mostly for gaming and side tasks. I also heard the Asus boards might have memory issues with EXPO?
If you are into overclock, buy X670E steel legend because it has better VRAM. B650 is for mainstream, it can only overclock 7600X and 7700x, I won't recommend you to overclock using 7800x and above using this board
I have yet to really dig into the RTX 4090 GPU models coming. Typically there will be AIB models that push power and overclocking and that can be worth it on the highest end GPUs but usually it takes testing to determine that and we won't have that until the October 12th launch.
@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks so much! I’m in desperate need of a GPU for Davinci Resolve trying to get one ASAP for upcoming projects. May have to wait just a bit longer.
With that budget right now I'd look at Ryzen 5000 series. But you might want to wait a bit and see what prices do around Black Friday and the Intel launches
Hey, when are you going to revisit this clip? Willing to build for AM5, and your video was really helpful. Was wondering if the Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI or Asus TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI are still the ways to go and if you still recommend those. Thanks!
With so much newness out there right now I think mostly you'll see round ups like this for a while. But there are a lot of individual builds happening like our 7900X build that test out the motherboards they use so that might be helpful for now
The Ryzen 9 7950X3D cache is rumoured to not be release until CES 2023 (Jan 5th-8th 2023). Having seen the HUGE boost in performance that the 3D cache gave to the 5800X3D, to the point where that last generation chip holds its own against the just released 7950X and the not yet released intel 13th gen flag ship, there is no way I would get a CPU before the 3D cache version, so I am praying the Ryzen 9 7950X3D is released sooner, just after intel 13th gen, so they crush it, and I don't have to wait even more months before building a brand new from scratch rig. Fingers crossed AMD have the sense to release the Ryzen 9 7950X3D straight after intel 13th gen so that AMD can corner the market before the Christmas purchasing rush!
Amd is shooting on own legs..looking at the 5800x3d price difference, not justified even for gaming, the cost of any 7000x3d will be monstruos loosing all 5000 series benefits in value..and waiting for stupid buyers..
TuF Gaming not sure now if i should go for b650 or X670E since you said 560 is the same as x570 which i already have, guess im going with the TuF X670 E
Hey!... I am really confused about MSI X670E gaming plus and As rock X670E RS and gigabyte X670 Aorous elite ax Here in india temperature remains high like arohnd 45 degrees...(So comsider the v ram temp.) Price around 360, 371, 360 usd respectively (india)... Processor r7 7800x3d and gpu probably 4080.. What will be the best option pls help me...
Probably a little too in-depth for what we do, but here is a great article to get you started: www.hardwaretimes.com/how-does-a-vrm-work-phases-doublers-inductors-and-capacitors/#:~:text=They%20function%20by%20distributing%20the,portion%20of%20the%20required%20amount.
Thank you sooo much for this. I was looking at MB's last night to price and what features to look for. I have always gone with Asus. I work on my PC and occasionally game on it. I was looking at the Asus x670E.... Would going for more features like PCIE5 future proof and yes I know that doesn't really work buuut I did it with my old machine and I am still working with it to this day but now after +6-10 years it's showing it's age. Would love your insight. Thanks!
So glad this was helpful! I found the current Asus options pretty overpriced (we do go through them in the recommendation section) but they are beautiful boards.
@@PCBuilderChannel Yup Asus has always been overpriced but I have loved their build quality. I wonder if and when the prices are going down. I might have to wait until next year.
I have to thank you the fact that you DO take the time to explain even the simplest and basic concepts so even debutants can understand you. It is a HUGE added value to your videos, something missing in other RUclipsrs that are maybe for more experienced audience with the same high quality content but hard for some of us to follow. Please keep it like that, cheers!
Thank you for the great feedback! That's always our goal so its wonderful to hear. Hope you keep enjoying the content
Yea as a dog I'm going to build my first PC end of this year.
Don’t plan on doing my first ever build until around January. Have been watching everything for almost a year. Hoping by then things cool down and maybe AMD will have their GPUs out by then too. Your videos are the best explaining at bang for buck hardware.
Glad you enjoy them! I think January will be a great time to build a PC with V-Cache versions of the Ryzen 7000 series likely out in 1Q.
@@PCBuilderChannel So i will till January then & Are you sure the V-cache version is launching that soon ?
@@harishFx16 I have q2 2023 for release date
im getting sum stuff for my build now . since its never been this low from msrp
Did you do it and how did it go?
I’m so grateful I found this channel. Quality content, straight to the point, useful info without bombarding us with ads and multiple sponsors per video like LTT. Thank you!!
Thank you for the great feedback! It means a lot to us. Hope you keep enjoying the content!
Don't forget to buy our screwdriver!!
@@kreygasmed7314 I mean to be fair that screwdriver looks pretty fuckin sweet
Received my Asus Rog Strix X670E-E gaming Wifi and 7950X 2 days ago 😊
"More Star Trek than consumer tech"
I know you're proud of that one! Definitely got a laugh out of me. Great video as always Jason!
Glad you enjoyed it! It did make me laugh (;
Awesome video PC Builder! I bought yesterday the ASRock X670E Steel Legend with ryzen 9 7950x and the sweet spot ddr5 g.skill tridentZ5 neo RGB 6000mh 16gb x2 cl30! Glad to see this motherboard in your recommended section. I was a bit worried about audio but I will see later how it sounds. The only thing I don't like in this motherboard is the second pcie x16 slot with only 4x connected. Kinda dissapointed in that but overall this motherboard looks fantastic!
Thank you for sharing! Glad you got what you needed.
What motherboards are you looking at for Ryzen 7000? X670, X670E or B650?
Always loved the MSI Tomahawk line up, let wait and see what they come up with.
I ordered the Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite AX with the 7600X 😃
Edit: Speccing out my first build since 2016. The current rig is an FX6300 CPU with an r9 270X GPU... Well over due for an upgrade me thinks.
I'm waiting to see b650. I don't see any features in the x chipset that I'd use that aren't in b650
I took a good look at boards last night and have settled on the asus tuf x670 e plus
Maybe in 2024. I'll keep upgrading my AM4 to the top.
YES!!! I got the steel legend asrock board because it was the cheapest x670e board that I saw... Now I'm happy with my decision, thanks!
Nice!
Should I go with Asrock taichi x870e or msi tomahawk?
Bonus content from Jason. That always makes a day better. I currently am very happy with my 5600x paired with a 6700xt so I doubt I will upgrade to a 7000 anytime soon. I would probably go with a 670 if I did upgrade
Good morning fellow Jason! And yes you have a great combo, no reason to change at the moment (:
@Shorts Kittu Cats All the Jason in one thread! lol
You can edit 4k on a 6700xt, it'll just take a long time compared with its' nVidia counterparts. AMD GPUs are a solid choice for gaming, but for productivity and multitasking, nVidia still has a significant advantage, apples to apples. Given nVidia's recent behavior, I don't blame anyone wanting to avoid them, but time is money after all.
I don't do any video editing. Gaming performance is amazing
Price vs benefit..you have a 5900x variant cheaper than 5800x3d anytime time you want, which is also a gaming perspective ugrade...so, a value only for 350 to 450$ more vs 1000+$ cpu,mb,ram of 7000 series to last more than 3 years..Even for a new built...
Thank you for another great video! 😸
Waiting to see the b series lineup too!
(Still looking at the 5000 series for my first build, but damn! Can't help but being excited about the new shiny tech! 😸)
Thanks Valentina! Gotta love shiny new tech (;
It seems a lot of motherboards are starting to skimp on audio connectors. Thanks again for this detailed overview!!
Glad it was helpful! And yes its frustrating
Just use a soundcard
So are the changes in New 7000 series??
Watch this : 0:41 to 7:22 🐸 🔥
Very well explained
Yo watched this like 5 times and am a bit torn
What's ur opinion on Asus Pro Art X670e vs the Asus Strix Gaming x670e-e? I'm building a new workhorse pc that is literally all purpose from 4k editing to high end VR gameplay and recording, streaming etc. I'm really torn between the 2. I don't need the 10gb lan but the usb 4 seems nice to have, the 16+2 power phase concerns me but I only plan on using the automatic overclocking features of the 7950x would this be enough? Full build should be 4090, 1300w psu, 32gb 6000 ddr5 and a 7950x. Only reason I passed on the asrock x670e tachi was the lack of the lower pcie lane but if you feel that would be a better option i'm still considering it! Any guidance would be appreciated!
Great video. Thank you! I do hope the cost of ddr5 falls further. The entry cost outlay required to use the new AMD cpus is a little high.
Agreed! Ryzen 7000 value is going to be all about the platform costs. And thank you!
It's ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS especially with these x670e motherboards where the price is around $500 just for the motherboard and then $300 for the cheapest cpu. You can almost build a pretty decent PC ( as long as you're willing to buy a used gpu) for the same cost as the mobo and cpu. IT'S FU@KING RIDICULOUS
I'm really glad I watched this video, seems like I was about to over spend like $200 more because there were a few things I didn't understand and I was ignorant. But yes I agree with you, after the $335~ price point, the cost of these boards soar way high and there are significant diminishing returns for the money spent. Great job on the video! I'm grateful for the explanation.
Really glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching
@@PCBuilderChannel btw quick question, for boards that don't have SPDF port, do I have to buy an S/PDIF mini board separately and use motherboard's built in S/PDIF connector or is there a work around??
I have just purchased the ASROCK 670XE PRO RS for my Ryzen 7900x be at home with. Never spent a great deal on a motherboard in the past so this was quite expensive for my liking (£350 gbp). The audio codec isn't really a issue for me as if i want to improve that you can by other means. But all the other stuff is very nice and it does look great.
Glad you got what you need! Let us know how you like it
Hey I’m looking at the asrock taichi Carrara mob would you recommend?
It's great. I like so many RUclips tech people in this space. I like LTT, GN, Paul, PC Builder, Gamers Meld, etc, all for different reasons. You all do a different style video, deliver different levels of entertainment, and some deliver information more quickly than others. Some are more detailed, some are more summarized. But I like it all. So cheers. Even though I've already seen two other AM5 motherboard videos, I'm still watching you.
Thank you for watching! :)
LTT ? Really? Or did you just feel like you had to include them?
@@hautedaug I listed channels that I watch. I'm not sure why you felt the need to single out LTT.
Graphically Challenged is pretty good too.
No plans on building a pc at all and watched the whole thing. Learned a bit, too.
So glad you enjoyed!!
Picked up a 7700x with the free 32 gig ram promo from microcenter but waiting on boards. Getting a cheaper board with no PCIe5 or only 1 just does not seem to make much sense unless you plan on ripping out the board to replace it in the future. Features wise, as a content creator, I REALLY like the idea of the Asus Pro Art.... dual PCI-e 5 if I want to run dual gpus, more importantly for some fast NVMEs to work off of locally and transfers.... (each video I do is easily 100 to 200 gigs). And of course the idea of thunderbolt sounds great for color grading monitors and transferring files to either a DAS... OR 10 gig ethernet if transfering to a NAS... oh.... and it does not look like the neon/RGB fairy spit up all over it. lol. Yes, it's $500... but seems more like a "buy once, cry once" proposition for at least the next 5 years or so. with the cheaper boards... its like might as well have stayed on Ryzen 5000 and X570. =) And I am guessing the new Radeon cards coming out in November will be PCI-e 5.0.
Nice! Glad you got what you needed
I've used to Asrock x670e Pro Rs for a while now and I am supper satisfied, especially on the bios and firmware side and gen5 m.2 is something that made my workflow smooth.
First time watching your videos I’ve primarily watched GN as I only like actual nerds with real informative information and statistics rather than “for the views” kinda people. Liked and subbed! I’ll be following along as I plan my upgrade from x570 gen 3/3080
which is the best board for 7800x3d also do u have a budget build for 7800x3d and 7900xtx.
Those components are not budget build parts.
Thanks really informative video just want to know, can I buy any of the cheap motherboards from start of the video for 7950x? there wont be any power issue right?
HECK YES!! finally showing the steel legend series some love lol.... i still absolutely love my b550matx steel legend mobo.. the finish is just super clean and gives me everything i need. and has no issues running the 5800x
Honestly none of the gen5 nvme I've seen specs for even max out gen4 bandwidth. We saw the same thing with the first gen4 nvme not being able to saturate gen3 bandwidth. There's probably a measurable difference if you set up ur benchmark just right, but nothing anyone would ever be able to tell.
Congrats on getting this video out so early. Ur a machine lol
Haha thanks Christopher! Not going to lie our two cat two person team is exhausted lol
Building a new Pc after 10 years. This was a great catch-up video on all the latest tech
So glad it was helpful!!
This video will help me a lot. Right now I have gtx1080 with intel i5 6600k. The cpu is driving me crazy with it's bottlenecks.
Thank you a lot. 👍
So glad its helpful!
I only just watched this having made my purchase 2 weeks ago (ASUS TUF Gaming plus WiFi) and pleased that you liked it. I went for this because I needed a decent motherboard to go with the 7900 that so impressed me at low power. If you're spending this much, I reckon the lower midrange is best and I don't mind paying an extra 10% for a fuller set of capability (even if I don't need it now), a nice look + I like ASUS boards. Glad you covered it and keep up the good stuff.
Glad you got what you needed! Thanks for sharing (:
You are such a fontain of knowledge,that I can understand. Can I ask you, if you conecting your audio,such as headphone, microphone, by USB does the system uses the audio codec 1220 or or the 4080, in these motherboards? Or we have to connect to the rear pannel with the input jack?Does it matter?
THANK YOU! You have the best videos and they have made me so confident in building my PC. I've learned so much from you and I just subscribed to your channel yesterday. Been studying PC build for about a month and soon I will build my own hopefully in a couple of months or less. I am buying parts with pride and knowledge thanks to you! Keep up the great work and blessing to our community!
Thank you so much for the amazing feedback! Thank you for the sub and best wishes on your build!
Idk if this is just me but I prefer how teh 400 series boards looked, Z490 B450 X470-X570 looked great to me. Teh new ones are trying to look too sleek and futuristic.
Should i get the Asus TUF Gaming X670E Plus WIFI or the ASRock X670E Steel Legend? Same Price here in Austria (EU)
You're the goat man.
One thing I'll say about motherboards, I'll overspend as much as it takes for a dr debug lol. It's crazy that the motherboard manufacturers make you pay $300+ for a couple of seven segment displays
So quick to produce this vid, love the content! Keep it up Jason and Mrs. Jason 😁
Thank you!! Not going to lie, out two cat two person team is exhausted lol. But wanted to get useful stuff out asap (:
New Sub I was wondering a few things off topic. I'm thinking about getting a new high end Laptop from either CLX or Falcon NW the DRX or OSISIS. Which in your opinion is the coolest temp cpu i7 10700k 11700k 12700h 3,5 ghz i9 11900k
Hey which cpus are better tha new intel ones or the 7000 amd series?
Should I go with B650M Mortar or Aorus X670 Elite AX for the Ryzen 9 7900X? The B650m way cheapier.
what combo do you recommend . Ryzen mobo combo. im building my 1st pc
Ambrosius had beautiful green eyes today.
Also, you're right, we should wait for B650.
He's a handsome house panther and he knows it! (;
Yes really looking forward to what they bring to the table
I'm waiting for 650 boards to release to see if the 670 chipsets come down a bit. Historically that happens, but I'm not super hopeful this time around.
Fingers crossed for sure!
Thanks for the round-up. I went with the Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Gene. I wanted a mATX board and I didn't mind the high price since I'll keep this board through several generations of future AMD CPUs and it had all the enthusiast features I wanted in a compact form factor, such as USB4 and three M.2 slots. It is a beautifully-engineered board which looks great, too.
Hello! I'm from Brazil and I love your analyses!
Thank you very much and please keep up the amazing work!!
Hello Brazil! Thank you for watching (:
Hey! Great video, but Im asking if u could do some type of video when the B series launches with some kinda of build with the new 7600x... it would be cool cuz im trying to build my first pc and idk if I should wait for this new series of cpu/mb/ram... so yeah thanks anyways for the great video ;D
My journey with stationary PC after 30 years is coming to an end... Madness of price, pace of upgrade and performance per watt...
See the video we just launched on the channel (15 mins ago) it's actually a great time for budget building if you know where to look!
My god this video was exactly what i was searching for, greatly structured, exactly what i was asking myself with all questions covered. Thank you so much for the great content! Looking out for your video on the B650 Series :)
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the feedback it means a lot. B650 video coming today at 10m EST!
Jason hits us midweek !? What a great surprise🤩
It's a crazy week! (;
Not going to lie our two cat two person team is exhausted, but happy to get this content out for those who need it!
Honestly gr8 work u r doing. U made the explanation so much easy, I was getting more n more focussed in what u were saying. Keep it up.
Btw, want to get ur opinion on a PC build that I wana do. I was originally planning to do a DDR4 build with 5900x for main use of running VMs, which would make it more affordable. But since Ryzen 7000 launched, which shows a lot of performace uplift, like crossing 5+ GHz, I literally got excited. But then I learned the bitter truth, that is, Expensive CPU + Expensive MOBO + Expensive RAM + Expensive SSD PCIe5. And since AMD mentioned only for it to be there till like late 2025, should I go with Ryzen 7000 or going with 5900x/64GB RAM DDR4/1TB SSD Gen 3, will have me covered for like next 10 years for mostly running VMs?
That's a great question. I think that 5900X build will be an absolutely beast. But you might want to wait a bit and see how the Ryzen 7000 performance numbers change when the next gen gpus become available next month. For more on that see the 7900X build we did on the channel. The launch of the new Intel CPUs and Black Friday will also likely affect Ryzen 5000 and Ryzen 7000 pricing so it might not hurt to give it a few weeks and see what happens.
Looking forward to receive my Taichi X670E. This board is a beast of motherboard, and with decent price compared to other brands.
Let us know how you like it if you can!
I'd like to post some clarification surrounding USB4, USB-C and Thunderbolt, which is important for those creators depending on Thunderbolt devices.
USB-C by itself is just a connector; it doesn't specify anything about what it should be capable of (well mostly). The comparison is actually between USB4 and USB3 (and all of its substandards, like 3.1, 3.2 gen1, 3.2 gen2, 3.2 gen2x2, 10gbps, 20gbps, 40gbps, DP, PD, etc.). One thing to mention is that the extra connectivity, like higher power delivery and displayport, are constrained to be possible only through USB-C.
The dangerous thing is that USB4 is not Thunderbolt 4, despite them using the same connector type. While a Thunderbolt 4 port is backwards compatible as a USB4 port, it is not the same the other way around. Thunderbolt 4 by itself uses an entirely different protocol, but when you plug in an USB device, it basically functions as a USB4 port but with all substandards/connectivity included. A Thunderbolt port will need to have that lightning bolt symbol next to the port to indicate it being a Thunderbolt-capable port.
At the moment of writing, only the ASRock X670E Taichi offers USB4+TB4 connectivity, and the Gigabyte Aero D that is not released yet (which will have USB4+TB3). The other X670(E) boards that have USB4 (which right now are from ASUS) do NOT support the Thunderbolt protocol. Most remaining ASUS, Gigabyte and ASRock boards have a thunderbolt pin-header, for which you must buy a brand specific add-in card (AiC) that will slot into a PCIe slot (which will probably need x8 PCIe4.0 lanes?) used to add USB4+TB4 connectivity. None of these AiCs have been released yet. However, that ASUS ProArt Creator motherboard recommended for creators in the video does not have a TB4 header, and will therefore never support Thunderbolt.
So if you need Thunderbolt support (to connect devices using a Thunderbolt controller), get the ASRock X670E Taichi, wait for the Gigabyte Aero D, or get a motherboard that will have a USB4+TB4 AiC.
Fantastic workstation platform! Can't wait for the zen4 x3d reviews for us gamers.
Don't expect a Zen4 vcache myself for at least a year. The heat these things are throwing isn't promising in that regard.
@@x8jason8x Agree! If the pilot product for v-cache, 5800x3d, is anything to form a baseline from it runs crazy hot. When I overclocked my not great bin of a 5800x to 4.7 ghz all core, liquid metal was needed to pull as much heat from the CPU as possible. Its really alarming that zen 4 was designed to run at 95 degrees C.
Rumor is that they will be announced at CES in January. We will be attending in person for the first time so I'm hyped!
@@PCBuilderChannel Oh really? Might be going to Vegas myself around then, the better half has never been as an adult, so she's overdue. lol
@@PCBuilderChannel That's kinda what I was thinking too.
As always, great details! Looking forward to your boost your build series on some upcoming Zen 4 builds for people.
Thank you! Me too! We will start those up again soon
pcie gen 5 graphics cards would be a game changer. Even if it wouldn't saturate a gen 4 16x lanes bc i would then have no qualms about running it at gen 5 8x lanes. This would then save me 8 lanes which i could use for a whole lot of different things
Only reason I can think of for pcie gen 5 is having a few VMs running on the same drive?? But haven’t seem this benchmarked so it would be a shot in the dark.
I really do appreciate and love your informative videos!
So glad its helpful! Thanks for watching! And we do have a much more recent Best Ryzen Motherboard 2024 video for you if you want to check that out
Is there a well supported tool for detecting what speeds are supported by a usb-c cable and/or port? Seems useful for the future.
Great video, thank you, but I'd like to hear/learn more about "audio codecs" on motherboard... How to know which ones are high quality and which ones are not, and what exactly is the purpose of "audio codec", what's that thing exactly, how can you use it, is it for headphones, speakers or what, etc... :)
On x670 it is pretty binary because there are no boards with "middle step" codecs like the ALC1100, ALC1200, etc. They are either entry level ones ALC897, or they immediately jump up to the best available (ALC1220 & ALC4080). I do expect we'll see some more of the middle step ones in B650 as board makers look to trim costs down a bit more. When we do the best motherboard for Ryzen 7000, we will do an audio section and go into codecs a little more in detail - just waiting for B650 to launch.
oh... and the Asus Prime Pro Wifi for $350 seems like a really solid deal too.
Hello, you videos are always very helpful and i appreciate them. Is it possible if you can make a video explaining power stages and what motherboards to avoid when it comes to this and in general when it comes to certain features being lacking or features that increases the price but are not for everyone?
Running a 5800x rn. I might go for a 7950X with the Asus Tuf board. Seems nice for the "price"
Good work as always Jason!
@1:19 @PC Builder Now when we have 870/870E and they are the same like 670/670E (only ubs4 support is different between) what You think for future CPUs suppoet of 670/670E? They will fully suport the zen 6 or?
Currently we only have 6 x AM5 mother boards available and all of them seem higher priced than the US 😵💫
MSI Pro X670-P Wifi - $375
ROG Strix X670E A Gaming - $468
ROG Strix X670E F Gaming - $495
Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master - $649
Asus ROG Hero X670E - $765
Asus ROG Crosshair X670E - $990
Guess we waiting for B650 🙈
I am aiming for the ASUS Proart. Thanks for reaffirming my choices :D.
Glad we could help!
Hey jason your videos are great thanks for putting in the work for us. I have an MSI b450 gaming plus atx mobo. Can you tell me if it has bios flashback or how I can find out. Thanks in advance.
Thank you so much for the coverage. You did all the research so I can just to pick the right one for me.
That's great to hear! So glad it was helpful
Great video. Still seriously doubt I upgrade my X470 until B750 arrives, at which point DDR5 prices should be much better.
Glad you've got what you need for now!
Hi Jason, like your videos. AT 8.34m you say B560, but I think you meant B650. Correct me if i am wrong. Keep up the good work!!
Doh! Yep reversed some numbers there. Thanks!
Imagine all those prices, but 55% higher, that's what we have to pay in Canada. Absolutely unbelievable motherboard prices! At least processors only have the regular ~30% exchange rate price increase.
Ugh that's frustrating!
@@PCBuilderChannel
Canada: ... 55% higher than these, absolutely unbelievable ...
EU: Only 55% higher? Hold my beer, my wallet, my left kidney... and that's only for the first installment for buying a budget AM5 mobo as for now...
These 0-day launch prices... I'm sure I'm not the only one that stands in awe of this all
Glad I went AMD all the way 2021, now I feel settled for couple of years. Let's hope AM5 will age like the AM4 did.
Any of these more expensive options would bring an advantage for people looking into building high end VR systems?
asus x670e hero is what i'm looking at only because i have a i7 6700k setup with the old hero vlll version and it rocks. I just need something that is amazing for high level music production but i do enjoy athletics. Let me know your thoughts.
So far i bought a y60 case and 7950x!
came here for the first time and to see the MSI PRO X670P, and am happy I did!
Welcome to the channel! Glad it worked out :)
@todotecnoarg Personally I have not had any issues whatsoever. I'm not sure what reviews have been left by other people, but I can confirm that it is a beast of a motherboard. I haven't touched much except fan speeds and EXPO profiles being that it supports DDR5 Ram. If I were to upgrade any component such as Mthrbrd, CPU, or GPU it would be the Mthrbrd last. There are Gen 5 PCIE slots included that future proof the need for a Mthrbrd when GPU (or other hardware) is eventually made for PCIE 5. Almost forgot, but the built in graphics ALMOST gives no need to a GPU it seems, and the audio/wifi/bluetooth drivers explain themselves in their quality. Am running a RX 7800 XT and R9 7900 X. Solidworks (CAD program) and any AAA game at highest settings are absolutely no problem.
@todotecnoarg Just realized that the "E", and not the "P", is the next-gen PCIe tuned board. So don't mind that part.
Problem is that all the X670 and X670E boards are about the same price. A B650 board might be more valued though for most people. I opted for the X670-E because this is a new platform and I want to make sure it is future proofed for a little while.
I wanted to upgrade my 2700x system to a 7700x/7800x system..but now I'm hesitant. at the moment the entrylevel x670/x670e on amazon are going for $650+....wtf? so ddr5+7700x+M
I'd wait and see what the B650 prices are like next week
@@PCBuilderChannel I've decided to go with a 5700x. I've updated the bios of my mobo and the 5700x works in my old mobo... it costs me $250 and I dont have to buy new cooler, ram, mobo etc.So the 10%-15% performance aren't worth ~$1000+ extra, I will rather spend this money on the new GPUs.
Amazing video man thanks for being a huge help to the PC community.
Thanks Jason! I need USB ports more than PCI-E slots and I don't overclock much... sounds like I may get the most basic board just for longevity purposes. PCI-E 5.0 for graphics is a total waste even for the next few years as you said, so 'maybe' I'll have a PCI-E 5.0 SSD at some point, but that's about it. I hope you'll review the B series when it's out next week!
So glad it was helpful! And we will definitely cover the B series when it's out and we have all the pricing!
how are these x670e boards same price or cheaper than a regular x670? might as well just go for the 670e
Thanks🎉🎉🎉 super clean and understanble review
Thank you! We do have more up to date Ryzen Motherboard guides on the channel you can check out too. In particular see our Best Ryzen Motherboard 2024 video
What motherboard would you recommend for a ryzen 7 7700x with a 3080 and I would like to be able to upgrade these in the future so what mother board would be slightly over kill but after some upgrades would be perfect.
What would you recommend between AS Rock X670E Steel legend and ASUS Strix B650E-E. With current Newegg offers they’re both in the same range. I’m a novice overclocker and I would like to keep the board I get for the next 5 or so years. Mostly for gaming and side tasks. I also heard the Asus boards might have memory issues with EXPO?
If you are into overclock, buy X670E steel legend because it has better VRAM.
B650 is for mainstream, it can only overclock 7600X and 7700x, I won't recommend you to overclock using 7800x and above using this board
Do you recommend buying the founders edition 4090 or an AIB edition?
I have yet to really dig into the RTX 4090 GPU models coming. Typically there will be AIB models that push power and overclocking and that can be worth it on the highest end GPUs but usually it takes testing to determine that and we won't have that until the October 12th launch.
@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks so much! I’m in desperate need of a GPU for Davinci Resolve trying to get one ASAP for upcoming projects. May have to wait just a bit longer.
Love your vids Jason, I’m on a 1200$ budget and I don’t know if I should go with cheap am4 or am5
With that budget right now I'd look at Ryzen 5000 series. But you might want to wait a bit and see what prices do around Black Friday and the Intel launches
Hey, when are you going to revisit this clip? Willing to build for AM5, and your video was really helpful. Was wondering if the Asus ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI or Asus TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI are still the ways to go and if you still recommend those.
Thanks!
Asus are cpu burners
I've seen incredibly few reviews of X670 motherboards. I'm aware it's all new, but when do you think we'll start to see more reviews?
With so much newness out there right now I think mostly you'll see round ups like this for a while. But there are a lot of individual builds happening like our 7900X build that test out the motherboards they use so that might be helpful for now
Thanks. This has helped me understand these motherboards more
Glad it helped!
So what mother board and GPU should I run with a Ryzen 7900X?
The Ryzen 9 7950X3D cache is rumoured to not be release until CES 2023 (Jan 5th-8th 2023). Having seen the HUGE boost in performance that the 3D cache gave to the 5800X3D, to the point where that last generation chip holds its own against the just released 7950X and the not yet released intel 13th gen flag ship, there is no way I would get a CPU before the 3D cache version, so I am praying the Ryzen 9 7950X3D is released sooner, just after intel 13th gen, so they crush it, and I don't have to wait even more months before building a brand new from scratch rig. Fingers crossed AMD have the sense to release the Ryzen 9 7950X3D straight after intel 13th gen so that AMD can corner the market before the Christmas purchasing rush!
Ryzen 7 7800x3d will be releaded even if ryzen 9 7950X3d released it would be mininum 850$
Amd is shooting on own legs..looking at the 5800x3d price difference, not justified even for gaming, the cost of any 7000x3d will be monstruos loosing all 5000 series benefits in value..and waiting for stupid buyers..
TuF Gaming not sure now if i should go for b650 or X670E since you said 560 is the same as x570 which i already have, guess im going with the TuF X670 E
Hey!... I am really confused about MSI X670E gaming plus and As rock X670E RS and gigabyte X670 Aorous elite ax
Here in india temperature remains high like arohnd 45 degrees...(So comsider the v ram temp.)
Price around 360, 371, 360 usd respectively (india)...
Processor r7 7800x3d and gpu probably 4080..
What will be the best option pls help me...
Amazing Analysis and very very detailed and good explanation, thank you so much 🙂👍🏻🐈
Thank you! So glad it was helpful!
can youu make a dedicated video on VRM?
what all to lookout and difference between doublers and all?
Probably a little too in-depth for what we do, but here is a great article to get you started: www.hardwaretimes.com/how-does-a-vrm-work-phases-doublers-inductors-and-capacitors/#:~:text=They%20function%20by%20distributing%20the,portion%20of%20the%20required%20amount.
amazing Jason as usual
So glad it was helpful!
@8:38 B560 for ryzen 7000 series ? U mean B650 , correct ? Cause B560 is for intel CPU's
Yep, typo. The names are so darn close
Keep on growing sir!
Thank you we are working on it! :)
Now this is what I was waiting for.
Will you be making a video on covering the launch of Intel Arc a770? October 12 launch date!
Yep! News video coming out this Saturday and we will certainly cover the launch too
you have showed me so much good info i love it you and jaystwocents has the pc side of youtube on lockdown
Thank you for the support!
currently building my 7700 on an asrock steel legend, was sweating when you didnt mention it in the first round of asrock boards lmfao
Thank you sooo much for this. I was looking at MB's last night to price and what features to look for. I have always gone with Asus. I work on my PC and occasionally game on it. I was looking at the Asus x670E.... Would going for more features like PCIE5 future proof and yes I know that doesn't really work buuut I did it with my old machine and I am still working with it to this day but now after +6-10 years it's showing it's age. Would love your insight. Thanks!
So glad this was helpful! I found the current Asus options pretty overpriced (we do go through them in the recommendation section) but they are beautiful boards.
@@PCBuilderChannel Yup Asus has always been overpriced but I have loved their build quality. I wonder if and when the prices are going down. I might have to wait until next year.
is the x670e/670 will support all the upcoming cpus on am5 ? like x370 supporting 5800x3d