I've been banging on about this for 15 years when the Titans came in. Extend it to 20 teams. Its now 17 teams so add 3 more. Add Perth, PNG and Norths/Central Coast/Adelaide/2nd kiwi team to create some NZ home rivalry, whatever. 10 teams in tier A and 10 teams in tier B. 10mil salary cap for Tier A, 8 mil Salary cap for Tier B. Bottom 2 from Tier A are relegated into Tier B and the grand finalist from Tier B are promoted. Their Salary cap increases to 10 mil and relegated teams drop to 8mil. Have it written in every contract. that relegation to Tier B the players in those teams contracts are void [or 20% less their contract to fit with the 20% less salary cap space in Tier B] thus the newly promoted teams can poach them and the players will play like hell to stay in the top tier to keep their contract prices up. Actually will make the players accountable for their performance.
So players that came last in tier A will then be bought but a tier b team coming into tier a? So essentially it will be the same team. So whats the point of a two tier system? 😂
Lol so you want players to sign contracts where even if they win the Daly M they get a 20% pay cut because their team is middle of the road. Lol yeah good luck those teams signing any good players lol.
As a Pommy mate of mine said, “if you want to see fans invested in their team, bring in relegation and promotion.” The biggest obstacle is that rugby league is only played at an appropriate level in a relative handful of states/counties around the world. Kent is correct on that score. Soccer teams have top-class players and competitions all over the world to populate their teams. I think fewer NRL teams is the key to evening the competition, or, dare I say it, a draft??
This is 100% the best idea in theory cant understand why they are laughing at Buzz. The league should try to make it sustainable. Where I see a problem is that too many people with an interest in the game want their mouths fed and would work against the idea for those reasons. Their should be ways to reduce the gap between the ''semi-pro' clubs and the ones who would be in 1st grade and ''2nd grade''. If they market it well enough and can get tv/viewer revenue for both top and 2nd division than the model sounds even better.
I mean they are blasting him, yet the league would make more money due to a vested interest from fans, if a team is in div 2, they are playing against teams roughly on the same level, fans will be more likely to go as they are more likely to see wins, even if they are in div 2, they can have their finals series so they have something to fight for (other than just promotion) it means fans will go to watch their team, excited for promotion and a shot at a premiership. Also, even if a team is demoted down to div 2 at the end of the season, they can still look forward to the next season as they will likely be amongst it come finals time and have a shot at promotion again. I've said this before, both AFL and NRL should give this some serious thought.
Largely agree, the only thing I’d say is that the gap between nrl and reserve grade is too big so you couldn’t promote between them. I think the NRL would have to create a new div 2 which is above reserve grade. Also the system for developing players would have to change. Would love to see that happen tho
My god why are people so obsessed with the draft? It’s been thrown out of court once already and wouldn’t work anyway! The clubs develop players, why would a team like Penrith pump millions into junior development, only to lose the best ones? Stupid.
The English Super League has promotion and relegation.. and they have a salary cap. Seems to have its positives and negatives. To Kenty's point with the Dolphins struggling to get their team sorted.. Is there enough talent for a team who gets promoted to NRL to be able to compete?
Buzz best idea, build a proper reserve grade and cut the number of first grade teams. Have dolphins, perth team, png team, second nz team and bottom 4 of nrl in there and swap either the bottom or bottom 2 at the end of the season
@@hondomclean6759 love the idea of more divisions make prospective teams work their way in rather than buy their way in. Broadcast the games for the ad revenue and they can be mid week where they arent currently making ad revenue
@@chris07081 A thing to look at also is rep windows, Origin windows Regarding Origin, if a week long break happened, you can fill in the gaps leading to Origin with international and women's games. Also it means true home and away with rep and Origin games. This helps everyone as the young guys get game time and experience and the top teams can develop players quicker This also could have new markets develop at their own pace until they hit the big leagues The only thing stopping it is the salary cap and how the money will affect this. Will there be a hard cap or a luxury tax? Will there be a player draft?
@@chris07081 I’d try and make sure the div 2 teams had at least some weekend games to make it easier for fans to go to the games but I like the idea of putting them midweek
If you go back to Wednesday or Thursday night on 360, there was footage of QLD training for 2nd origin and in the background you can see a kneeling Gagai urinating on the sideline. Check it
Agree with buzz . They constantly give him sh”t because he’s getting on . The reason it works in football is because it brings the quality of the lower leagues up.
@@bfg3890 I was competing it to soccer not Super league. And more the players rather than teams. All that aside tho from a fans point of view I would definitely go watch my team fight it out to survive than pay on nothing games. I’m sure I’m wrong but it just seems to fit the woke world we live in that a team can lose every game with no consequences. Maybe if the panthers identified as a Labrador I would be able to accept this more. Not that it matters I’m just a middle-aged white man . AKA the forgotten
Been saying it for years. Has Kenty not seen Super League ? I own a club here in the 5th Tier of the Rugby League, ( Stoke-on-Trent Staffies RLFC )but there are options for clubs to move up and that is where it does get exciting. We are far from the National League , but it is possible. Yes, there would have to be a lot of planning, but it would work.
England has 3 professional football codes, and about 60 million people. Australia has 4 professional football codes and 25 million people. Simply not viable here. If we had 1 or maybe 2 codes, it could be done. Simply not viable.
@@peterpiper831 England's 'professional ' leagues start a lot further down the ladder than Super League , Premier League or the Rugby Union. There would have to be a set criteria , and that would be a difficult thing. I think it's possible. I know it's possible.
Have two finals series, top 8 playoff against each other and the bottom 8 play off against each other with money being the prize. You could even have double fixtures in the playoffs with the corresponding level game in the 2nd tier playoff group playing first, at least those clubs not making the top 8 have something to keep playing for and fans something to cheer for. Also all teams recieve money for where they finish in the playoffs to be divided amongst the players, an incentive the NRL would be against but for those guys not on the really big money some kind of bonus for effort.
Back in the days in the NPC rugby in New Zealand the bottom team of division 1 plays the champions of division 2. If the bottom team in division 1 wins they stay. But if the champions of division 2 wins they come up and the other team comes down. And this happens in all the divisions.
It's bad enough that there's a top 8 allowing half the teams in the comp to qualify for semi's. Titans lost more games than they won last year(I think it was last year) and still played semi final football.
Do people realise when teams get relegated in European soccer a lot of those teams financially struggle after getting relegated, and even get relegated again to a lower tear, and never get back to the top tier again, , and we want to bring this in to the NRL competition where it seems half the teams in the competition can’t even make a profit now, so just imagine how bad it will get for those teams when they get relegated to a lower competition where there’s even less money.
I'm sure they can find ways to work on that, but it means that lower teams will actually have something to fight for and be on a level playing field when playing opposition, instead of getting belted every week, fans will rock up to games, especially at the end of the season if their is hope of promotion, have a finals series for div 1 and 2, more t.v. deals, more money to go around. It's not perfect, a lot of thought would have to go into it, but I think it is better than what we have now, with pretty much the same top and bottom teams every year.
teams will definitely die but it's worth it to improve the game as a whole. anyway the teams that die in Europe tend to come back in the lower tiers as a Phoenix club
It would work with transfer windows. Players could have clauses in contracts that would allow them to exit a contract if the team they play for gets relegated. 2 leagues...League 1 gets 12 teams, the rest in league 2. This creates a battle at the top, middle and bottom of the ladder. TV ratings will increase.
I think we'll just have a cycle of the exact same teams going up and straight back down again. There's only so many elite level players. Don't get me started on corporate sponsorship. All that money would go to the top clubs who'll be there next year and beyond.
The only thing is, if you allow players to leave when their team gets relegated, the Majority/ better ones will leave & completely weaken the team, then that team won't promote again for years....That's painful. Imagine having a horrid season, then missing NRL for 5-10years following
@@ryanway9346 Mate, I can see it working the other way. A team will get "cashed up" in the top flight, then go to the lower league and dominate broke semi pro clubs. Either way the fundamental problem is we ain't soccer, there's a finate number of NRL quality players. Soccer has a whole planet to poach from. It's just a bad idea.
legit I never agree with buzz but as a premiere league fan the fact they are all laughing at a sporting model a million times more profitable than the NRL is hilarious . And the argument that clubs may never recover if they get relegated just proves that the sport needs some serious shake ups . just ask Everton fans how they felt this season just gone and you will start to understand what surviving relegation can mean to a fan base . And if you go down its on the fans to not abandon the club hence the term plastic fan in the uk .
The problem with relegation is that it promotes short termism and the teams being relegated generally have financial problems. Also the gap between the top division and second is huge. Ie Super League and Championship, which then has yoyo teams, to good for the lower division,not good enough for the highest. From the TV or media they love the drama.
A draft system seems the fairest method of distributing talent. Without thinking too much about the details it certainly works well in American sports, though you do get the frequent end of season claim that teams are tanking for good draft picks but the same happens in the AFL. The relegation/promotion idea in theory is a good idea but completely impractical.
Rugby League could have such a strong international game. It's rep round, a round to celebrate all the different countries and cultures that make up this great game and all people wonna talk about is how to make the Australian comp better.
Betfred superleague has done it and its amazing! Follow their model and budget accordingly. It will bring back tribal grounds more passionate crowds and more attendance than they are currently getting. Better to have 3 games with 8000 each than one game with 14000.
RD 14/15 of a 16 team comp and the finals are all but set. A few positional changes in the bottom two. So we either have a 14 team comp that play twice or we increase it to 24 teams that play once. However, it needs a Reserve grade semi pro comp. They already pay 30 players, so have all reserve games follow the 1st grade untiol finals. $13 million cap with $3 million for reserves, plus Womens.
Hmm not sure. I love it for the potential drama etc and would liven up the dead rubbers towards the end of the season when wests play the doggies etc, but so many questions. Look at the UK super league where it creates a cycle that pretty average clubs can’t escape. They yo-yo up and down and just devalues the comps. If this is to have legs you need a fully thought out second tier comp that has some serious investment in it from the NRL ( like serious proper though out investment - not the crap support they’ve given to the dolphins. Think balloon payments for relegated teams etc), probably also a player draft, and some flex on the salary cap. Also how would second tier teams be competitive financially? Most already struggle for the supporter base to make them commercially viable. Don’t get me wrong I like the idea but needs some proper planning which we know the nrl don’t have a history of doing…
That’s the best idea Buzz has bought to the table ever, if you cannot grow the club game internationally then you must grow it locally and bring in a second division with clubs located in satellite cities
Buzz - relegation could work with a two tier comp and 20 teams. Integrate a way that clubs who foster players through junior ranks are not penalised when these players value increases.
Wouldnt work. It would be a disaster worse than the super league war. Yeah its the NRL but were just not that big... if we were at the AFL level it might have a chance. Its a results driven business! You watch memberships for the lesser teams drop and their juniors leave their leagues and go and play in stronger clubs competitions. Players will also all want to play for the stronger clubs because it has bearing on their representative aspirations aswell. I like the idea but the NRL would financially implode if it went ahead with it.
before covid the afl was a more profitable sports league than the spanish soccer league (2nd biggest soccer league in the world that has the 2 biggest soccer teams in the world) thats because allmost every team in the afl has fans that had big attendances spread across the country with teams that are worth supporting since they all have a chance to win. the nrl should be looking to be more like the afl which has proven to be very succesful and less like european soccer which while the most popular sport in the world is financially not actually all that impressive.
It’s not just football in the uk with promotion/relegation. It’s rugby league and union that do it aswell. And Vardy wasn’t bought at Leicester to win the league. He was bought in to keep them up in the league.
Love the idea of a second division. IF we had the talent, crowds, support structures and cash to actually support that. Oh and planning. None of which we have in our game.
I’ve been saying it for ages It would work Go back to suburban grounds Lower ticket prices Lower beer and food prices Relegate bottom team Winner of Nsw and qld cup play each other for spot to move up Give the team that moves up the money they need for the nrl cap Introduce draft Introduce transfer window Split west tigers and Balmain Split st George and Illawarra Bring back a Perth and Adelaide team Bring in a port morsby team Another couple of kiwi teams
how are they going to get the money to do all these changes if they lower the costs of drinks and make league more suburban. are we just burning cash to make rugby league more spread thin.
Great idea. 3 tier promotion/relegation system. Nrl gets cut to 12 top teams top6 finals bottom 2 demoted every season. Grand finalists get promoted. Bottom teams now are just spot fillers, better off demoting them to 2nd tier level leading that competition for promotion.
Yes soccer teams don't have a salary cap but they have financial fair play rules. Clubs can't buy anyone, they can only use sales revenue from ticket sales merchandise etc
With promotion and relegation what would need to happen is players have clauses in their contract that they can leave if they get relegated this means good players are not trapped in a lower tier. you would need to get rid of the salary cap though because you would need to bring in transfer fees so clubs can pick the players they need it also stops the game being hurt by well supported clubs getting relegated which would hurt the game overall in viewership, but doing that will make the game very split in performance, but saying that it already is with the salary cap, in this situation clubs like Broncos and Penrith would dominate(and potentially the dolphins who have a massive leagues club behind them). TV ratings would undoubtly increase though because you have the double jeopardy of the title and the Relegation with only the mid table teams in the boring zone. State of origin rounds will have to be bye rounds though because lower clubs will be reluctant to let players go if they need points to survive.
Lol yeah and I’m sure teams will leave huge amounts of salary cap space in November as they head into pre season to accomodate these players even though they have no idea who’s becoming available 😂
@@bfg3890 if it was ever implemented you would be stupid to think they would do it in 1 year it would need like 5 years of warning before it could start.
Finally! I have always wished for a 16-20 team comp and a first division comp of 10-12 teams. Bottom two get relegated. That would bring back the Jets, Bears etc. Have a transfer window every November. Not the mid-season crap clubs and players have to go through. That would bring in a lot of money and buzz amongst the public.
Loan system can help with set rules to prevent loop holes. Players signing new contracts must agree their salaries are publicly disclosed, why have a salary cap if this isn't even done anyway?! Start with the state cups, trial it out, add country clubs and nz, WA teams etc. Helps if it's mainly clubs committing that have heavy private funding or sports club funding . It becomes a new avenue for tv money $ and community involvement (crowds)
I don't see why a team getting promoted needs to build a team with a salary cap. Surely use the salary cap to pay the players that got the team promoted
Nothing wrong with Wynnum Manly....they give the tigers a touch up that's for sure. Your old school Kent and what's wrong with Qld Cup or NSW teams to advance them selves
Have got to seriously look at relegation. Brilliant concept despite these clowns. I have been pushing this for years. NRL is moribund. I really think you bring in Newcastle RL, QL and NSWRL plus anything in WA and (if they exist) SA. Why do the top teams think they have a privileged position? I am Knights fan but they should be busted down if they end up in the bottom 2 or three. No doubt. They have to fight their way back up. Really, really have to think about looking at this.
Imagine this for a Season Finale: Bottom 2 of Division 1 get relegated to Division 2. Top 2 of Division 2 get promoted to Div 1. Grand Final Saturday (either at ANZ or Allianz Stadium): 3rd Last in Division 1 vs 3rd Place in Division 2 - Winner goes to Division 1 Next Season Essentially 2 Grand Finals on 1 Weekend
It's the only way forward. It I lod people who are keeping this in decline... it would be amazing to watch a club like Bears or Newtown join nrl on merit and not thru politics
NRL definitely more suited to a draft system than transfer/relegation system like football. There is not enough money/players/clubs to adopt the European football model. An American draft model is much more compelling as talent needs to be evenly distributed annually.
There's entire states and neighbouring countries to pull talent from. Currently the NRL operates in 2 states and Auckland. It needs to expand thus it creates huge amounts of extra population numbers to draw upon. Sitting in Sydney and Brisbane and saying there isnt enough people, its tapped out, is the dumbest way to look at it. Theres half a country not even being tapped into.
@@atheistdingo6273 there is probably enough people engaged in RL to do this but it's the QUALITY of talent that prevent this being viable. There is also not enough MONEY to fund the existing league let alone expansion. When the crowds are pathetic then there is no prospect of expansion.
European football has financial fair play. Its a benefit to the players. The people that should be paid more. I bet these jokers get paid more than alot of players. Explain that.
Been saying it for years, why bring in more teams like Dolphins and others when Titans, Tigers, Warriors are getting flogged every second week. These days I watch maybe a handful of games, the rest are garbage. If the NRL wants more teams that will make season longer (people getting more injuries). It's not sustainable. Saying it would not work, yet other comps 100 times the size of the NRL do it just fine. I find it funny the only way Kenty wins an argument is to yell at people, have the bigger voice. What a goose, you know someone has no idea when that is the only way they debate.
The Super League has has relegation and it works. Football also has a salary cap its called fair play. Teams can only spend what they make that year. In the NRL teams now can be rubbish all season get the wooden spoon knowing they will be there next year.
Relegation has always been part of the RFL First Division and now Super League. It is part of the culture and something we are used to in England. Relegation has never really been implemented in any professional sport in Australia and is an alien concept to some.
If there is no consequence for finishing last, what is stopping these clubs from staying at the bottom ? There is definitely merits to promotion/relegation. And if Kent says its a bad idea, it’s probably worth looking at
If people don’t go to games for their local teams during the year, they won’t care when it’s relegation time. European football has local fan bases that follow their clubs like a cult religion. Stadiums are almost always FULL. This is why the relegation system works. Moreover, relegation would ruin some clubs that go down. NRL clubs aren’t run well enough for this to be a viable option.
Whatever the case, the top 8 is and has always been a joke. The top five was much more competitive with much better footy. It’s just been blunder after blunder with the decision makers in this game.
Would actually be good to have relegation I don't know if they do it now but the npc rugby comp here I'n nz use to have relegation and the bottom placed team in the top division would have to play the top team from division 2 winner moves up was good to c a new different team sometimes move up I only no this because my mighty southland stags played a few of those games
they don't need to find players? they just won the comp? witch is why they made it to the NRL? then why would they be looking for players? they have a full roster with bench & reserves grade?
I've been banging on about this for 15 years when the Titans came in. Extend it to 20 teams. Its now 17 teams so add 3 more. Add Perth, PNG and Norths/Central Coast/Adelaide/2nd kiwi team to create some NZ home rivalry, whatever. 10 teams in tier A and 10 teams in tier B. 10mil salary cap for Tier A, 8 mil Salary cap for Tier B.
Bottom 2 from Tier A are relegated into Tier B and the grand finalist from Tier B are promoted. Their Salary cap increases to 10 mil and relegated teams drop to 8mil. Have it written in every contract. that relegation to Tier B the players in those teams contracts are void [or 20% less their contract to fit with the 20% less salary cap space in Tier B] thus the newly promoted teams can poach them and the players will play like hell to stay in the top tier to keep their contract prices up. Actually will make the players accountable for their performance.
Personally wouldn’t promote both grand finalists. I’d say promote top of the ladder and then have a playoff for the 2nd promotion spot
So players that came last in tier A will then be bought but a tier b team coming into tier a? So essentially it will be the same team. So whats the point of a two tier system? 😂
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Lol so you want players to sign contracts where even if they win the Daly M they get a 20% pay cut because their team is middle of the road. Lol yeah good luck those teams signing any good players lol.
@@bfg3890 I see mediocrity is your thing. Its ok, most people are average.
As a Pommy mate of mine said, “if you want to see fans invested in their team, bring in relegation and promotion.” The biggest obstacle is that rugby league is only played at an appropriate level in a relative handful of states/counties around the world. Kent is correct on that score. Soccer teams have top-class players and competitions all over the world to populate their teams. I think fewer NRL teams is the key to evening the competition, or, dare I say it, a draft??
This is 100% the best idea in theory cant understand why they are laughing at Buzz. The league should try to make it sustainable. Where I see a problem is that too many people with an interest in the game want their mouths fed and would work against the idea for those reasons. Their should be ways to reduce the gap between the ''semi-pro' clubs and the ones who would be in 1st grade and ''2nd grade''. If they market it well enough and can get tv/viewer revenue for both top and 2nd division than the model sounds even better.
I mean they are blasting him, yet the league would make more money due to a vested interest from fans, if a team is in div 2, they are playing against teams roughly on the same level, fans will be more likely to go as they are more likely to see wins, even if they are in div 2, they can have their finals series so they have something to fight for (other than just promotion) it means fans will go to watch their team, excited for promotion and a shot at a premiership. Also, even if a team is demoted down to div 2 at the end of the season, they can still look forward to the next season as they will likely be amongst it come finals time and have a shot at promotion again. I've said this before, both AFL and NRL should give this some serious thought.
Its cause they have interest in keeping the top 6 as it has been for a decade $$ back door Kenty $$
Largely agree, the only thing I’d say is that the gap between nrl and reserve grade is too big so you couldn’t promote between them. I think the NRL would have to create a new div 2 which is above reserve grade. Also the system for developing players would have to change. Would love to see that happen tho
You get their are already two second division comps no one is interested in right
NRL has such old school thinking, relegation and promotion including a draft would revolutionise the game
Totally agree
You can't have relegation and promotion as well as a draft, you've gotta choose one or the other
My god why are people so obsessed with the draft? It’s been thrown out of court once already and wouldn’t work anyway! The clubs develop players, why would a team like Penrith pump millions into junior development, only to lose the best ones? Stupid.
It would ruin teams
draft was the go but idiots didn't try it and haven't bothered
Kenty it happens in England rugby every year and works brilliantly and they have a salary cap
The English Super League has promotion and relegation.. and they have a salary cap. Seems to have its positives and negatives. To Kenty's point with the Dolphins struggling to get their team sorted.. Is there enough talent for a team who gets promoted to NRL to be able to compete?
Buzz best idea, build a proper reserve grade and cut the number of first grade teams. Have dolphins, perth team, png team, second nz team and bottom 4 of nrl in there and swap either the bottom or bottom 2 at the end of the season
Or better still, add 3 teams so there are 10 in each division
So in theory, the Dolphins and all new entry teams would be eligible to come up.
@@hondomclean6759 love the idea of more divisions make prospective teams work their way in rather than buy their way in. Broadcast the games for the ad revenue and they can be mid week where they arent currently making ad revenue
@@chris07081 A thing to look at also is rep windows, Origin windows
Regarding Origin, if a week long break happened, you can fill in the gaps leading to Origin with international and women's games.
Also it means true home and away with rep and Origin games.
This helps everyone as the young guys get game time and experience and the top teams can develop players quicker
This also could have new markets develop at their own pace until they hit the big leagues
The only thing stopping it is the salary cap and how the money will affect this. Will there be a hard cap or a luxury tax? Will there be a player draft?
@@hondomclean6759 yeah cap and drafts would have to be considered/changed
@@chris07081 I’d try and make sure the div 2 teams had at least some weekend games to make it easier for fans to go to the games but I like the idea of putting them midweek
If you go back to Wednesday or Thursday night on 360, there was footage of QLD training for 2nd origin and in the background you can see a kneeling Gagai urinating on the sideline. Check it
Agree with buzz . They constantly give him sh”t because he’s getting on . The reason it works in football is because it brings the quality of the lower leagues up.
Does it though. Only 7 teams have won the Premiership. Only 4 have won super league.
@@bfg3890 I was competing it to soccer not Super league. And more the players rather than teams.
All that aside tho from a fans point of view I would definitely go watch my team fight it out to survive than pay on nothing games.
I’m sure I’m wrong but it just seems to fit the woke world we live in that a team can lose every game with no consequences. Maybe if the panthers identified as a Labrador I would be able to accept this more.
Not that it matters I’m just a middle-aged white man . AKA the forgotten
Been saying it for years. Has Kenty not seen Super League ? I own a club here in the 5th Tier of the Rugby League, ( Stoke-on-Trent Staffies RLFC )but there are options for clubs to move up and that is where it does get exciting. We are far from the National League , but it is possible. Yes, there would have to be a lot of planning, but it would work.
England has 3 professional football codes, and about 60 million people.
Australia has 4 professional football codes and 25 million people.
Simply not viable here. If we had 1 or maybe 2 codes, it could be done.
Simply not viable.
@@peterpiper831 England's 'professional ' leagues start a lot further down the ladder than Super League , Premier League or the Rugby Union. There would have to be a set criteria , and that would be a difficult thing. I think it's possible. I know it's possible.
Have two finals series, top 8 playoff against each other and the bottom 8 play off against each other with money being the prize. You could even have double fixtures in the playoffs with the corresponding level game in the 2nd tier playoff group playing first, at least those clubs not making the top 8 have something to keep playing for and fans something to cheer for. Also all teams recieve money for where they finish in the playoffs to be divided amongst the players, an incentive the NRL would be against but for those guys not on the really big money some kind of bonus for effort.
Makes sense. They need to freshen it up and expand the audience
Back in the days in the NPC rugby in New Zealand the bottom team of division 1 plays the champions of division 2. If the bottom team in division 1 wins they stay. But if the champions of division 2 wins they come up and the other team comes down. And this happens in all the divisions.
Kenty is right though, if there is a promotion relegation system, the salary cap has to go.
I'm a South Sydney Rabbitohs fan it doesn't matter if we don't make the finals all we can do is just try our best
Could be a good opportunity for South Queensland Crushers.
Love these blokes....
It's bad enough that there's a top 8 allowing half the teams in the comp to qualify for semi's. Titans lost more games than they won last year(I think it was last year) and still played semi final football.
Do people realise when teams get relegated in European soccer a lot of those teams financially struggle after getting relegated, and even get relegated again to a lower tear, and never get back to the top tier again, , and we want to bring this in to the NRL competition where it seems half the teams in the competition can’t even make a profit now, so just imagine how bad it will get for those teams when they get relegated to a lower competition where there’s even less money.
Survival of the fittest
I'm sure they can find ways to work on that, but it means that lower teams will actually have something to fight for and be on a level playing field when playing opposition, instead of getting belted every week, fans will rock up to games, especially at the end of the season if their is hope of promotion, have a finals series for div 1 and 2, more t.v. deals, more money to go around. It's not perfect, a lot of thought would have to go into it, but I think it is better than what we have now, with pretty much the same top and bottom teams every year.
teams will definitely die but it's worth it to improve the game as a whole.
anyway the teams that die in Europe tend to come back in the lower tiers as a Phoenix club
Surely the team that gets promoted would run the same squad in the NRL?
they would need to buy extra quality players to be a chance to stay up, but that is generally the idea.
Great idea should of been done in the 90s before mergers too late now I’m afraid not as many players
It would work with transfer windows. Players could have clauses in contracts that would allow them to exit a contract if the team they play for gets relegated. 2 leagues...League 1 gets 12 teams, the rest in league 2. This creates a battle at the top, middle and bottom of the ladder. TV ratings will increase.
I think we'll just have a cycle of the exact same teams going up and straight back down again. There's only so many elite level players.
Don't get me started on corporate sponsorship. All that money would go to the top clubs who'll be there next year and beyond.
@@sa1ntluke I hate it wtf should we add more teams right now huh? Dolphins are struggling to sign anyone so no
Get off the crack. This will never work in 🇦🇺
The only thing is, if you allow players to leave when their team gets relegated, the Majority/ better ones will leave & completely weaken the team, then that team won't promote again for years....That's painful. Imagine having a horrid season, then missing NRL for 5-10years following
@@ryanway9346 Mate, I can see it working the other way. A team will get "cashed up" in the top flight, then go to the lower league and dominate broke semi pro clubs.
Either way the fundamental problem is we ain't soccer, there's a finate number of NRL quality players. Soccer has a whole planet to poach from. It's just a bad idea.
legit I never agree with buzz but as a premiere league fan the fact they are all laughing at a sporting model a million times more profitable than the NRL is hilarious . And the argument that clubs may never recover if they get relegated just proves that the sport needs some serious shake ups . just ask Everton fans how they felt this season just gone and you will start to understand what surviving relegation can mean to a fan base . And if you go down its on the fans to not abandon the club hence the term plastic fan in the uk .
The NSW clubs in particular already struggle to get sponsors and crowds
Soccer has a LOT more money
The problem with relegation is that it promotes short termism and the teams being relegated generally have financial problems. Also the gap between the top division and second is huge. Ie Super League and Championship, which then has yoyo teams, to good for the lower division,not good enough for the highest. From the TV or media they love the drama.
A draft system seems the fairest method of distributing talent. Without thinking too much about the details it certainly works well in American sports, though you do get the frequent end of season claim that teams are tanking for good draft picks but the same happens in the AFL. The relegation/promotion idea in theory is a good idea but completely impractical.
Rugby League could have such a strong international game. It's rep round, a round to celebrate all the different countries and cultures that make up this great game and all people wonna talk about is how to make the Australian comp better.
The start of it is already there with NSW/Qld cup sides .
Betfred superleague has done it and its amazing! Follow their model and budget accordingly. It will bring back tribal grounds more passionate crowds and more attendance than they are currently getting. Better to have 3 games with 8000 each than one game with 14000.
RD 14/15 of a 16 team comp and the finals are all but set. A few positional changes in the bottom two.
So we either have a 14 team comp that play twice or we increase it to 24 teams that play once.
However, it needs a Reserve grade semi pro comp. They already pay 30 players, so have all reserve games follow the 1st grade untiol finals. $13 million cap with $3 million for reserves, plus Womens.
He would think differently if his Sharks were in the bottom 4.
Hmm not sure. I love it for the potential drama etc and would liven up the dead rubbers towards the end of the season when wests play the doggies etc, but so many questions. Look at the UK super league where it creates a cycle that pretty average clubs can’t escape. They yo-yo up and down and just devalues the comps. If this is to have legs you need a fully thought out second tier comp that has some serious investment in it from the NRL ( like serious proper though out investment - not the crap support they’ve given to the dolphins. Think balloon payments for relegated teams etc), probably also a player draft, and some flex on the salary cap. Also how would second tier teams be competitive financially? Most already struggle for the supporter base to make them commercially viable. Don’t get me wrong I like the idea but needs some proper planning which we know the nrl don’t have a history of doing…
3:13 - 3:28 got me 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s the best idea Buzz has bought to the table ever, if you cannot grow the club game internationally then you must grow it locally and bring in a second division with clubs located in satellite cities
Buzz - relegation could work with a two tier comp and 20 teams. Integrate a way that clubs who foster players through junior ranks are not penalised when these players value increases.
Wouldnt work. It would be a disaster worse than the super league war. Yeah its the NRL but were just not that big... if we were at the AFL level it might have a chance. Its a results driven business! You watch memberships for the lesser teams drop and their juniors leave their leagues and go and play in stronger clubs competitions. Players will also all want to play for the stronger clubs because it has bearing on their representative aspirations aswell. I like the idea but the NRL would financially implode if it went ahead with it.
before covid the afl was a more profitable sports league than the spanish soccer league (2nd biggest soccer league in the world that has the 2 biggest soccer teams in the world) thats because allmost every team in the afl has fans that had big attendances spread across the country with teams that are worth supporting since they all have a chance to win. the nrl should be looking to be more like the afl which has proven to be very succesful and less like european soccer which while the most popular sport in the world is financially not actually all that impressive.
Great idea
It’s not just football in the uk with promotion/relegation. It’s rugby league and union that do it aswell. And Vardy wasn’t bought at Leicester to win the league. He was bought in to keep them up in the league.
Union has been doing it in England and France for years. How insular are those guys ?
I did a video on this over a year ago, it would never work.
We don't have a big enough population, or available talent. It may work in AFL with the VFL, SAFL, WAFL etc.
Who says the second division would be isolated state comps ? The second division would have to be professionally run clubs.
Love the idea of a second division. IF we had the talent, crowds, support structures and cash to actually support that. Oh and planning.
None of which we have in our game.
I’ve been saying it for ages
It would work
Go back to suburban grounds
Lower ticket prices
Lower beer and food prices
Relegate bottom team
Winner of Nsw and qld cup play each other for spot to move up
Give the team that moves up the money they need for the nrl cap
Introduce draft
Introduce transfer window
Split west tigers and Balmain
Split st George and Illawarra
Bring back a Perth and Adelaide team
Bring in a port morsby team
Another couple of kiwi teams
Yeah I look forward to Penrith having two teams in the top league.
how are they going to get the money to do all these changes if they lower the costs of drinks and make league more suburban. are we just burning cash to make rugby league more spread thin.
I’ve mentioned relegating the tigers every week… he got this idea from me
Bring in the pumpkin pickers
The Cessnock Goannas!
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No buzz at all, sheezuss have another schooner !
I agree with Buzz promotion/relegation will be cool but Kenty is right it’s impossible atm
Agree 100%
Great idea. 3 tier promotion/relegation system. Nrl gets cut to 12 top teams top6 finals bottom 2 demoted every season. Grand finalists get promoted. Bottom teams now are just spot fillers, better off demoting them to 2nd tier level leading that competition for promotion.
Bring in an 18th team and split the Comp into a 10 team and an 8 team competition. Bring back the top 5 finals system.
Yes soccer teams don't have a salary cap but they have financial fair play rules. Clubs can't buy anyone, they can only use sales revenue from ticket sales merchandise etc
Would be good to have a fair draw. Proper home and away rounds.
Just have the bottom 4 play a tournament in the last 2-3 weeks. Winner gets 500K extra in their Cap the next yr.
Good idea short-term. But more fans would support relegation than those that dont. So they should try to grow the idea organically.
You do realise the million pound game is a massive game in the super league
With promotion and relegation what would need to happen is players have clauses in their contract that they can leave if they get relegated this means good players are not trapped in a lower tier.
you would need to get rid of the salary cap though because you would need to bring in transfer fees so clubs can pick the players they need it also stops the game being hurt by well supported clubs getting relegated which would hurt the game overall in viewership, but doing that will make the game very split in performance, but saying that it already is with the salary cap, in this situation clubs like Broncos and Penrith would dominate(and potentially the dolphins who have a massive leagues club behind them).
TV ratings would undoubtly increase though because you have the double jeopardy of the title and the Relegation with only the mid table teams in the boring zone.
State of origin rounds will have to be bye rounds though because lower clubs will be reluctant to let players go if they need points to survive.
Lol yeah and I’m sure teams will leave huge amounts of salary cap space in November as they head into pre season to accomodate these players even though they have no idea who’s becoming available 😂
@@bfg3890 if it was ever implemented you would be stupid to think they would do it in 1 year it would need like 5 years of warning before it could start.
@@DabDabGoose lol it’s going to be a problem every year lol waiting five years won’t change anything lol.
@@bfg3890 yes it would because the salary cap wouldn't exist, can you read?
@@DabDabGoose the problems not money you donkey the problem is teams aren’t going to wait till November to finalise their squads.
Finally! I have always wished for a 16-20 team comp and a first division comp of 10-12 teams. Bottom two get relegated. That would bring back the Jets, Bears etc.
Have a transfer window every November. Not the mid-season crap clubs and players have to go through. That would bring in a lot of money and buzz amongst the public.
Yes yes don’t let teams finalise their squads till November lol.
Loan system can help with set rules to prevent loop holes.
Players signing new contracts must agree their salaries are publicly disclosed, why have a salary cap if this isn't even done anyway?!
Start with the state cups, trial it out, add country clubs and nz, WA teams etc. Helps if it's mainly clubs committing that have heavy private funding or sports club funding .
It becomes a new avenue for tv money $ and community involvement (crowds)
Definitely should happen. It killed the game in the U.K did no relegation. Its dying over here
what does relegation mean?
To put a team in a lower rank or lower division
@@Jp-do9ny yeh but how would that work in the NRL, we dont have divisions.
@@MrStreakzHD Yes we do. We have a second grade side but I think buzz means to split the comp
I don't see why a team getting promoted needs to build a team with a salary cap. Surely use the salary cap to pay the players that got the team promoted
Relegation,no. A draft, yes.
This clip is a perfect example of why NRL 360 is unwatcheable
All Im saying is there's not enough good talent to have 17 clubs.
Plenty talent, not enough Belly-aches.
Nothing wrong with Wynnum Manly....they give the tigers a touch up that's for sure.
Your old school Kent and what's wrong with Qld Cup or NSW teams to advance them selves
Buzz's idea has merit, just needs a tune. An NRL development school?
NZ Rugby has three divisions relegation can work people don't want it to work because they are use to the current system.
The old man is tripping
NFL doesn't have one
Make the division 2 teams a tier one team in the NRL
Have got to seriously look at relegation. Brilliant concept despite these clowns. I have been pushing this for years. NRL is moribund. I really think you bring in Newcastle RL, QL and NSWRL plus anything in WA and (if they exist) SA. Why do the top teams think they have a privileged position? I am Knights fan but they should be busted down if they end up in the bottom 2 or three. No doubt. They have to fight their way back up. Really, really have to think about looking at this.
Lol, So on your Logic you promote the Panthers NSW Cup side to be the 16th(17th) Team
There is a salary cap so clearly he has no idea
It’s desperately needed!
The end of the season is boring AF .
Imagine this for a Season Finale:
Bottom 2 of Division 1 get relegated to Division 2.
Top 2 of Division 2 get promoted to Div 1.
Grand Final Saturday (either at ANZ or Allianz Stadium):
3rd Last in Division 1 vs 3rd Place in Division 2 - Winner goes to Division 1 Next Season
Essentially 2 Grand Finals on 1 Weekend
This guy rothfield is suppose know rugby league. What a dreamer. Kent and readie 100% right. What a fool
It's the only way forward. It I lod people who are keeping this in decline... it would be amazing to watch a club like Bears or Newtown join nrl on merit and not thru politics
I like the promotion/relegation idea, yes would be tough to make it work... but the idea is brilliant, not worth of laughing off.
Let's all agree Buzz is considered a joke by all involved in the game.
Bring back the reserve grade and under 20s
People who think we have enough talent for two separate competitions that the top/bottom teams could effectively jump between are utterly delusional.
You are spot on.
NRL definitely more suited to a draft system than transfer/relegation system like football. There is not enough money/players/clubs to adopt the European football model. An American draft model is much more compelling as talent needs to be evenly distributed annually.
There's entire states and neighbouring countries to pull talent from. Currently the NRL operates in 2 states and Auckland. It needs to expand thus it creates huge amounts of extra population numbers to draw upon. Sitting in Sydney and Brisbane and saying there isnt enough people, its tapped out, is the dumbest way to look at it. Theres half a country not even being tapped into.
@@atheistdingo6273 there is probably enough people engaged in RL to do this but it's the QUALITY of talent that prevent this being viable. There is also not enough MONEY to fund the existing league let alone expansion. When the crowds are pathetic then there is no prospect of expansion.
Ive been saying this for years… add relegation and these teams will be fighting
No no no do not ruin rugby league
I want eyes on one comp not two comps
Does anyone else see the similarities between buzz and joe biden 😅
European football has financial fair play. Its a benefit to the players. The people that should be paid more. I bet these jokers get paid more than alot of players. Explain that.
Been saying it for years, why bring in more teams like Dolphins and others when Titans, Tigers, Warriors are getting flogged every second week. These days I watch maybe a handful of games, the rest are garbage. If the NRL wants more teams that will make season longer (people getting more injuries). It's not sustainable.
Saying it would not work, yet other comps 100 times the size of the NRL do it just fine.
I find it funny the only way Kenty wins an argument is to yell at people, have the bigger voice. What a goose, you know someone has no idea when that is the only way they debate.
I love the NRL but it's embarrassing there's no relegation.
The Super League has has relegation and it works. Football also has a salary cap its called fair play. Teams can only spend what they make that year. In the NRL teams now can be rubbish all season get the wooden spoon knowing they will be there next year.
Relegation has always been part of the RFL First Division and now Super League. It is part of the culture and something we are used to in England. Relegation has never really been implemented in any professional sport in Australia and is an alien concept to some.
Making the last month important is a draft pick
Cleveland was in the Superbowl for fucks sakes
If there is no consequence for finishing last, what is stopping these clubs from staying at the bottom ?
There is definitely merits to promotion/relegation.
And if Kent says its a bad idea, it’s probably worth looking at
buzz is right.
About time Rothfield was relegated
Only teams can win the GF is Penrith and MLB
He wants do is homework as the super League does have a salary cap.
If people don’t go to games for their local teams during the year, they won’t care when it’s relegation time. European football has local fan bases that follow their clubs like a cult religion. Stadiums are almost always FULL. This is why the relegation system works. Moreover, relegation would ruin some clubs that go down. NRL clubs aren’t run well enough for this to be a viable option.
Spot on.
Whatever the case, the top 8 is and has always been a joke. The top five was much more competitive with much better footy. It’s just been blunder after blunder with the decision makers in this game.
There's a whole section of society they aren't thinking of where they can recruit from, what about all the trans men?
Would actually be good to have relegation I don't know if they do it now but the npc rugby comp here I'n nz use to have relegation and the bottom placed team in the top division would have to play the top team from division 2 winner moves up was good to c a new different team sometimes move up I only no this because my mighty southland stags played a few of those games
NPC scrap relegation last year
they don't need to find players? they just won the comp? witch is why they made it to the NRL? then why would they be looking for players? they have a full roster with bench & reserves grade?
Best idea ever!!! Bye bye warriors🤣
Nrl is decades behind Kent you’re dreaming
Actually worried buzz has dementia
Would be just our luck they bring in relegation and Storm would get eliminated 🤦♀️
Its unfair not to do promotion teams clock out if thers nothing to play for making the game less entertaining