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  • Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024

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  • @ckromuluss11and89
    @ckromuluss11and89 3 года назад +29

    Needed to keep Benji around ,even if just to help him bring through the next gen,

  • @gt3505
    @gt3505 3 года назад +9

    I like how everyone is quick on blaming the coach , the players need a kick in the back side there the ones who don’t perform

  • @imalwaysright
    @imalwaysright 3 года назад +9

    That package was brutal whew
    And look at the players that have gone through that club mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

  • @imalwaysright
    @imalwaysright 3 года назад +10

    Ben Ikin makes so much sense. Love him on 360.
    The problems go far deeper than the coach.
    Ivan Cleary got a shellacking too ouch

    • @seekndstroy9634
      @seekndstroy9634 3 года назад

      u did not just say he makes sense

    • @josephsharp5678
      @josephsharp5678 3 года назад +2

      @@seekndstroy9634 Makes more sense than that rambling old coot Buzz lol.

  • @Jp-do9ny
    @Jp-do9ny 3 года назад +33

    Tigers could of had paps and benji for minimum wage but instead have brooks for almost a million 😂😂

    • @jacksonloram7887
      @jacksonloram7887 2 года назад

      Bit late but they also had Moses Tedesco and Addo-Carr...feel sorry for their fans

  • @newglorydays-yu6bb
    @newglorydays-yu6bb 3 года назад +3

    A new logo with both a magpie and a tiger on the same circle on the chest would look cool.

  • @MrSweetness1983
    @MrSweetness1983 3 года назад +14

    Brad Arthur scored 2 wooden spoons and is still around at the Eels, are most NRL clubs just impatient or am i missing something?

    • @RugbyLeagueHistory
      @RugbyLeagueHistory 3 года назад +2

      Brad Arthur only got the one wooden spoon in 2018.

    • @WTC-1990
      @WTC-1990 3 года назад

      I believe BA should of been sacked ages ago and still feel that way, if he goes out in straight sets again then enough is enough

    • @MrSweetness1983
      @MrSweetness1983 3 года назад +1

      @@WTC-1990, lets assume the Eels make top 4 again, you would be sacking a coach that has made the top 4 three years in a row. Hardly a reason to sack a coach. I say this as a long suffering Eels fan, just take a look at the results Parra was getting in the J Hayne Era. I think sometimes the grass is not greener on the other side, the Bulldogs fans after Des would know this better then most.

    • @WTC-1990
      @WTC-1990 3 года назад

      @@MrSweetness1983 if we go out in straight sets I would absolutely sack the coach immediately cause there has been no progress and we have stagnanted as a team, if you can't make it to the final 4 when you have finished top 4 three out of five years then you aren't to be taken seriously as a contender

    • @MrSweetness1983
      @MrSweetness1983 3 года назад

      @@RugbyLeagueHistory Ya sorry 1 spoon.

  • @gerardroll6468
    @gerardroll6468 3 года назад +20

    Getting a decent halfback would be a great start.

    • @Giveme1goodreason
      @Giveme1goodreason 3 года назад +5

      I’ll trade you milford for brooks.

    • @gerardroll6468
      @gerardroll6468 3 года назад +7

      @@Giveme1goodreason ... DONE!!! At least Milford has played Origin whereas Brooks doesn’t have a hope in hell of doing so. I’m sure Milford will bounce back but as a Tigers fan, I’d ask the club SURELY we’d have a better halfback than him. Far too often when attacking the opposition line, he’ll kick like he’s aiming for a 40/20 rather than just a simple grubber through which drives me berserk.

    • @crazyprayingmantis5596
      @crazyprayingmantis5596 3 года назад +1

      Should have been shopped 5 yrs ago

    • @sengnanam6820
      @sengnanam6820 3 года назад +3

      The problem isn't Brooks! The problem is tigers left side doesn't have a genuine centre(MCK isn't q centre) or winger(Tommy T is a no6) playing those positions and joe Off isn't a backrower. Douhi is a ball hog and doesn't release Jimmy. 3/4 spine players haven't played more than a handful of games in that position at 1st grade. We don't have a stock to replace them just yet and Micheal can't drop certain players due to politics in that position. Douhi should get thrown into centre and bring madden to pair Brooks. Brooks is also one of the leading try assist in the comp and one of the leading tackle efficiency for a half in the comp. He is 100% effort player but he isn't a grab thr game by the scruff on the neck player and he might never be but for 550k a season he is a steal. No way on earth I'll touch Milford with a stick for reserve grade. Just be patient if you are a tigers fan, Maguire is actually got our jnr program kick started again which previous coaches have fucked up and he has over 2.2milliom tired up in players who doesn't have choice over

    • @crazyprayingmantis5596
      @crazyprayingmantis5596 3 года назад +1

      @@sengnanam6820
      If Brooks kick wasn't deflected for that try the ball hits the back fence (again) and we don't score a point.
      I've lost count of how many times Brooks poor kicking has cost us.
      If you think he's not the problem you're off ya head!!!
      He needs to go ASAP.
      Be patient???
      How many years has it been since we made the semi's? I've been more than patient.
      I flew down from the Sunshine Coast to witness the horror at Leichhardt a few weeks back, I booed my own team off the ground I want my ashes spread on.

  • @RugbyLeagueHistory
    @RugbyLeagueHistory 3 года назад +7

    The last thing Wests should do is sack Maguire. We have seen over the last 10 year that Sheens, Potter, Taylor, Cleary have all come and gone and the results stay the same.
    The problem lies with the recruitment/retention and who is running the club. Jack Gibson said that a good club starts in the front office and Wests Tigers can't even get that right.

  • @rammitemmaasol9482
    @rammitemmaasol9482 3 года назад +7

    Campbelltown is just as appealing an area as Penrith. Idk why setting up at Campbelltown would be an issue.

  • @gradyw3961
    @gradyw3961 3 года назад +10

    Look how sacking the coach is going for the sharks

    • @leahstevens6351
      @leahstevens6351 3 года назад +1

      True mate very true and dissapointing they did

    • @josephsharp5678
      @josephsharp5678 3 года назад +1

      I feel sorry for John Morris he wasn't given a fair crack. He had the backing of his players but the board obviously saw different for whatever reason.

    • @leahstevens6351
      @leahstevens6351 3 года назад +2

      @@josephsharp5678 yeah mate True

  • @jon-francis9289
    @jon-francis9289 3 года назад +2

    All of these guys in different ways are correct. In my opinion there is a huge elephant in the room. Western Suburbs-Balmain, it just ain't working. They have no natural home ground. They have no clearly identifiable jersey. There is no football team. It's a corporate identity. Wests Tigers Pty Ltd. You can't refer to a footie club as an organisation. No one would have loyalty to that. The whole thing was a survival reaction to a bad situation. The Manly-Norths merger lasted 2-3 seasons and Manly jumped for a lot of reasons, finance being one of them. St George-Illawarra had a relationship to begin with. For mine I'd pull the plug and move the Magpies with a magpie jumper to Campbelltown. Set up what Gus calls the strategic pathways. You bring back that Maggie jumper to Campelltown and christen the grandstand the Tommy Raudonikis stand and see what happens. I suppose the Balmain boys will think the same but I just don't see the traditional Tiger territory having a future.

  • @rainman3269
    @rainman3269 3 года назад +5

    Look at the Board of the club ....

  • @rogdedodge7258
    @rogdedodge7258 3 года назад +5

    The administration need to fire themselves and that's never gonna happen.

  • @jayjeremycallaghan1332
    @jayjeremycallaghan1332 3 года назад +3

    Pascoe has also allowed the Rabbitohs to sign a membership partnership with the MacArthur Bulls. Members get access to home games of both respective clubs. Funnily enough the Bulls play at Campbelltown. Pascoe needs to be held accountable. No wonder the Panthers gave him the flick

    • @RugbyLeagueHistory
      @RugbyLeagueHistory 3 года назад

      I think Pascoe was behind the idea to rename Penrith Stadium, Pepper Stadium lol.

  • @marknasser2843
    @marknasser2843 3 года назад +3

    Bring in jock madden to half, zach cini on the wing or centre, Tom omone to front row and start there.

  • @davidtaliai996
    @davidtaliai996 3 года назад +5

    Mehh campbelltown has been ignored since the merger. And they wonder why all the gun wests juniors end up in other systems lol

  • @bigthree6182
    @bigthree6182 3 года назад +11

    Time to bring Tim Sheens back. He's the only one who can save this club!!

    • @Jp-do9ny
      @Jp-do9ny 3 года назад +1

      Lol nobody can. Worst player management in the sport

    • @chrisharbutt8497
      @chrisharbutt8497 3 года назад

      I know an ex-Tigers player who played in Sheens last year. He said the moment Sheens left things noticeably got worse in every single way quickly.

    • @bigthree6182
      @bigthree6182 3 года назад +1

      They need Tim Sheens in some sought of role at the club.

    • @bigthree6182
      @bigthree6182 3 года назад

      @@chrisharbutt8497 Well well Well. I'm happy tigers listened to me because TIm sheens is back and is the only one who can save this club.

  • @Alekosdw
    @Alekosdw 3 года назад

    Magpies have outstanding players I watched every week until covid an I’ve never seen any of em in first grade
    - kiah cooper
    - Allan Fitzgibbon
    - tuki simpkins
    - Joey leilua
    - Zak dockar clay

  • @HaVK-mt4lg
    @HaVK-mt4lg 3 года назад +1

    Ain’t nothing with Campbetown.... C-Town for life ✊🏼

  • @jamesbrennan7355
    @jamesbrennan7355 3 года назад +2

    I absolutely HATE that coaches are solely blamed for teams poor performances. It really is the worst excuse.

    • @josephsharp5678
      @josephsharp5678 3 года назад

      Yeah I feel like too much blame is put on coaches as opposed to players taking more accountability for their poor performances.

  • @julianalderson6996
    @julianalderson6996 3 года назад +1

    So many good players from nz and locals. But gone. Management needs to cope it not just coach.

  • @danielvermeer3363
    @danielvermeer3363 3 года назад +4

    When you lose players like papenhuysen tedesco ado carr you see why they have no superstars as all the best players don't seem to want to be there and there are always lies and whispers and no loyalty they kept the least of the big three and now they are feeling the consequences

    • @RugbyLeagueHistory
      @RugbyLeagueHistory 3 года назад

      The retention and recruitment by Wests has been the worst out of any club in the last 10 year. Just look at some of the players they have recruited in the last couple of years, mercenaries or people who are just looking for a big pay day.

    • @imalwaysright
      @imalwaysright 3 года назад

      The list of stars that left the club was gobsmacking

  • @Jason-tb6xp
    @Jason-tb6xp 3 года назад +4

    Madge's coaching style of screaming and shouting and kicking chairs just doesn't work anymore.

    • @ryukan250
      @ryukan250 3 года назад +4

      Half the players probably have posters of Lebron James in their lockers and listen to Cardi B before games. Generationally fucked.

    • @brendandredge1179
      @brendandredge1179 3 года назад

      Yeah different generation

    • @zebtownsend3714
      @zebtownsend3714 3 года назад

      Craig Bellamy?

  • @seforsabaleilau1274
    @seforsabaleilau1274 3 года назад

    When is edene gebbie will be playing in west tigers jumper?

  • @RK-ml2ns
    @RK-ml2ns 3 года назад +1

    Put any one of Wests top 17 players into the Storm system and watch them become better players overnight.

  • @xXSinForLifeXx
    @xXSinForLifeXx 3 года назад +1

    The players who run out on the field and disgrace the Jersey each week.
    The coach doesn slack of after 30 minutes of leading 6-0 and let in 40 points...

  • @ESAS1988
    @ESAS1988 3 года назад +2

    Luke Brooks gotta go mate on your Bike!!!

  • @DatDarkPeters
    @DatDarkPeters 3 года назад +9

    When you get rid of the best player the club has ever seen, you deserve everything bad that comes your way!

    • @bluebagel8084
      @bluebagel8084 3 года назад +1

      Exactly! Should never have got rid of Mitchell Moses

    • @stuikolovatu
      @stuikolovatu 3 года назад

      Should of never got rid of Adam Blair

    • @chickennugget6985
      @chickennugget6985 3 года назад +1

      Should have never let Cam Smith go..

    • @stay_illin7031
      @stay_illin7031 3 года назад

      Yeah definitely something wrong there. They let a lot of good players go.

    • @Giveme1goodreason
      @Giveme1goodreason 3 года назад

      Shoulda given bellyache a tug under the table to keep Harry grant.

  • @sofiamaddix8821
    @sofiamaddix8821 3 года назад

    Split the comp with extra finals games would bring more passion for the players and fans

  • @iomaalo5596
    @iomaalo5596 3 года назад +1

    Benji and Brooks probly their best combo,big mistake getting rid of Benji I reckon

    • @Bruh-du4xr
      @Bruh-du4xr 3 года назад

      Benji and Douehi would've been so much better tho

  • @abiimarn419
    @abiimarn419 3 года назад

    Tigers have signed many great players.

  • @isaiahcoe6532
    @isaiahcoe6532 3 года назад

    Buzz is actually right on this one

  • @cvarikos
    @cvarikos 3 года назад

    Ben, it's a question of people not place. Let that sink in.

  • @omnij24
    @omnij24 3 года назад +1

    You can deflect a lot of what Maguire is doing for all the club-related issues, but in the actual moment, his decisions have been awful. Bringing in Leilua and Roberts, what is this 2016? Also, the middle forward rotation week in week out is an absolute headscratcher. Uto and Twal go off and the game is in the balance. Manly get on top and then neither return....utter stupidity.

  • @tezzawrath9410
    @tezzawrath9410 3 года назад +1

    He can't deliver on retention/recruitment because the 'bag of tricks' no longer comes with paper bags of under-the-table cash....simples. Need to get themselves a Salary Stetson.

  • @pw9258
    @pw9258 3 года назад

    Don't underestimate the seriousness of this story. You never want to spread fear and panic through the sporting community but there is certainly a responsibility here to be transparent and completely honest with the citizenry. Labelling the situation a crisis (upwards of half a dozen times) may seem melodramatic to some, but you get a sense that these people realise the real possibility that things could be getting a whole lot worse before they get better. Without putting the fear of God in anyone, I actually fear things may never get better. This could even be the existential crisis most of us refuse to acknowledge. Wake up people and get your head out of the sand. Don't be distracted and believe a pandemic or global warming are the things we need to be worrying about. Sporting teams are playing games against each other and one team has to lose. Sure, they lose one game and nobody notices. But then a second. A third. Suddenly a ripple has become an unstoppable force and a team of guys playing a game are left holding a wooden spoon. And where does that leave us? Where does that leave my children? And their children?

  • @bye692001
    @bye692001 3 года назад

    no mention in my man Beau Ryan

  • @lukesimpson9012
    @lukesimpson9012 3 года назад +1

    There are no proven head coaches left in the game, so clubs can’t just keep sacking coaches. The problems are with culture, player attitudes and recruitment.

  • @paynekandi6004
    @paynekandi6004 3 года назад

    When Walter is ok put him in.. I trust them to beat dragons this week

  • @iamyouyouareme9905
    @iamyouyouareme9905 3 года назад +1

    Fun fact. Tigers haven't made finals since 2011. Maybe not a fun fact for Tigers fans.

  • @peter61967
    @peter61967 3 года назад

    Drop Brooks to start with, we need a good halves combination. Why they let Benji go I will never know. Luke Brooks has had years to prove himself and he’s just not making the cut.

  • @happycamper4918
    @happycamper4918 3 года назад

    Tedesco, Papenhuyzen, Ado-Carr, Moses, Blake Austin, Koroibete, Marshall, Fifita, Lodge... the list goes on. And they are replaced with overpaid and over the hill. Player management is the underlying problem that leads to poor performance.

  • @bobanyfingelf
    @bobanyfingelf 3 года назад

    The Tigers will bounce back. It's an attitude & mental block around their defense....they need to have a huge attitude & mental shift about defense next game, otherwise they're f**ked for the remainder of 2021.

  • @mathewcarr9671
    @mathewcarr9671 3 года назад +1

    Even people from Campbelltown don't want to be there, got no hope of attracting players to that area & got no hope of developing juniors in Concord. They are a dead club, only a matter of time.

    • @davidtaliai996
      @davidtaliai996 3 года назад

      I'm from there and from day dot we knew it was a takeover instead of an equal merger even though all the gun juniors come from macarthur and all the money comes from ashfield. The Balmain half havent offered anything. We definitely wouldnt shed tears if the club imploded.

  • @bradhodges8108
    @bradhodges8108 3 года назад

    Penrith could of kept Tamou for one more year. He doesn't deserve this and we are looking for one more prop anyway so what was the point of losing him in hindsight.

  • @Brandon-js7ti
    @Brandon-js7ti 3 года назад

    Will they ever play finals football again?

  • @just1fix2099
    @just1fix2099 3 года назад

    What happens to Madge if the tigers get slaughtered again this weekend? Does he get fired? If so, who will replace him?

  • @garybaltiejus7248
    @garybaltiejus7248 Год назад

    The buck stops with the CEO in my opinion

  • @122vee
    @122vee 3 года назад +1

    It’s easy, the board needs to go

  • @WTC-1990
    @WTC-1990 3 года назад

    I'll take Michael Maguire at the eels as coach

  • @garybaltiejus7248
    @garybaltiejus7248 Год назад

    In my opinion Luke Brooks is very underrated he could be captain of any park football team in the country 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂but seriously just cut the dude loose already, he,s a serious liability

  • @danielvermeer3363
    @danielvermeer3363 3 года назад

    No players that wanna put in the hard yards

  • @JimClimber
    @JimClimber 3 года назад

    Considering that these people are professional media journos, they really need to stop talking over each other

  • @zenvagabond
    @zenvagabond 3 года назад

    Who is to blame? the players.

  • @michelledavidson8190
    @michelledavidson8190 3 года назад

    I can't see Madge&Gus Gould working together.

  • @ezza1236
    @ezza1236 3 года назад

    Tigers haven’t made the 8 in over 10 years

  • @craigrs61
    @craigrs61 3 года назад

    Who would want to be a coach. When are the highly paid players going to be held accountable for their own performances. Maybe go back to no win no pay contracts. Milford got sent back to Queensland Cup but didn't suffer any financial consequences, he just had a break form NRL for 2 weeks.

  • @atheistdingo6273
    @atheistdingo6273 3 года назад

    Been saying it since Liu got sacked. Tigers wont ever make the finals without a halfback.

  • @Giveme1goodreason
    @Giveme1goodreason 3 года назад +7

    Rugby league is a professional sport played with an amateur attitude. Try the excuse
    “ we just didn’t turn up”
    In the nfl or the epl or any of the major leagues. Seriously. If a quarterback in America made the excuse in public “we just didn’t turn up to play today” his locker would be cleaned out before he even got out of the press conference. Seriously it’s pathetic that these players think that’s an excuse. Or worse
    “We didn’t really prepare well”
    Well get out of the league. There’s plenty that’ll be happy to turn up, and plenty that’ll be happy to prepare well. Again a professional sport with an amateur attitude.

  • @masimanitisa9290
    @masimanitisa9290 3 года назад

    Oh no all the games are oh hard to play St George or looking good

  • @trevorbates8029
    @trevorbates8029 3 года назад

    Too right, too true, should sign a petition to piss W.T CEO off & all those high office @ W.T & most of the players also. Too old & too slow.

  • @qwickvids1140
    @qwickvids1140 3 года назад

    Change Kiwi coach while you’re at it

  • @michaelscofield335
    @michaelscofield335 3 года назад

    Its simple we need better halves, onya bike brooks

  • @julianalderson6996
    @julianalderson6996 3 года назад

    5 year plan. Bro its been 10

  • @mikejackson3885
    @mikejackson3885 3 года назад

    The "players" aren't doing their job. They are paid big heaps of money and aren't turning up to play, sack them not the coach.

  • @StillViceCity
    @StillViceCity 3 года назад +1

    Brooks needs to go he's worse than Milford

  • @gcdragon2558
    @gcdragon2558 3 года назад

    Des Hasler is a mad genius. He created the passing front rower & he's now designing the ball playing second rower.

  • @yessirrr5182
    @yessirrr5182 3 года назад

    Excuses!!!!! Youse just got carved up by Tommy turbo

  • @yimmeistaryimmeistar7239
    @yimmeistaryimmeistar7239 3 года назад

    A fish rots from the head.
    Its the board's and Pascoes fault.
    Ever since Sheens, the board has been f@#$king the Wests Tigers. Get rid of the board!

  • @gerardroll6468
    @gerardroll6468 3 года назад +2

    WHERE DO YOU WANT US TO START??? I’m a lifelong Tigers fan (from the Balmain side of the merger) & there are any one of a number of reasons but I’ll stick by them & hope they improve as the season goes on & can reduce the moments where they concede 30+ points each week 🤨🤨🤨

    • @samwisegamgee6941
      @samwisegamgee6941 3 года назад +4

      Good on you for sticking in there mate i hate fair weather supporters.

    • @gerardroll6468
      @gerardroll6468 3 года назад

      @@samwisegamgee6941 ... My dad taught me from a very young age (I went to my first game at 6 years old) that a TRUE supporter sticks by their team always.... Through the good times & the bad. Some may disagree, but it’s just how I feel ✌️😄

    • @samwisegamgee6941
      @samwisegamgee6941 3 года назад +1

      @@gerardroll6468 your dad sounds like a good bloke! My dad taught me the same thing when I was a boy. He would take me to bunnies games and even though we lost all the time he would always tell me to stick by them and look what happened! We are now one of the premier teams in the comp. Who says tigers can't be the same. The thing I love about league is every team (except storm the bastards) goes in and out of being good so there's always hope.

    • @gerardroll6468
      @gerardroll6468 3 года назад

      @@samwisegamgee6941 ... Yeah, you’re right. As a kid, we lived a stone’s throw away from Leichhardt Oval & would go to Tigers’ games as often as we could with friends of our family. As kids, we didn’t care about the result so much as having a ball playing on the hill. Meeting the late Laurie Nicholls there was terrifying at first (met him when I was 8) but later in life, grew to know him as a true gentleman. My dad also gave me the advice of “always bet on your own team or whoever’s playing Manly” 😂😂😂. Nowadays, it’s the Storm & the Roosters who I can’t stand. Your Bunnies certainly are one of the strongest sides in the comp & seeing “the old man” (Benji) firing on all cylinders is a great sight ☝️😉👌

  • @julianalderson6996
    @julianalderson6996 3 года назад

    Yer sack the board like players if they cant deliver. Gone

  • @TheAllthegoodstuff
    @TheAllthegoodstuff 3 года назад

    Would be nice to hear someone finish a point rather than jibber. I love the Devils advocate but it would be nice if Buzz would stop taking over people.

  • @travismiller1491
    @travismiller1491 3 года назад

    Get a decent half. Maybe stop flogging the boys at training like you're a drill instructor. So many players have complained about the way the coach trains his players. From multiple teams.

  • @blissionaire4730
    @blissionaire4730 3 года назад

    Bring in madden and cut away brooks. Brooks has been there for years and is classy at times but doesn’t lead the team around the park. Some blokes are natural leaders. Brooks isn’t

  • @crazyprayingmantis5596
    @crazyprayingmantis5596 3 года назад

    If that ball hadn't of been deflected it's flying over the dead ball line and the Tigers don't score a point.
    Brooks needs to go ASAP.
    Musgrove missed 2 tackles that directly led to tries back to back 2 mins apart and he stays on the field and plays more minutes than Stefano, and he'll get selected again this week.
    The coach needs to go too

  • @garethwilliams4422
    @garethwilliams4422 3 года назад

    Every year it's the same conversation, coaches under pressure teams not performing. The trouble is there isn't enough talent to have 16 teams capable of winning the comp . There have been fairytales in 05 and 03 but in the history of the game they are few and far between.
    How's this for an idea the NRL draws a line in the sand ,and says in 2025 the game will be a 10 or 12 team competition . On top of this pump money into 2 big second tier competitions. A big NSW cup and Queensland cup essentially. Clubs could un merge , the Pacific islands could become teams and it would be easier to bring teams from WA , SA or another Brisbane team into the competition without giving them extra salary . Just an idea but I think the NRL needs start protecting it's heart land and breeding grounds more before it wants to expand, I think this will help both

  • @kaoscoconut22
    @kaoscoconut22 3 года назад

    Hahahahahahahhaha

  • @lukadaylee7961
    @lukadaylee7961 3 года назад +2

    Tigers should fold and be replaced by another interstate team. They’re not the only club either, there are too many low quality clubs in nsw

  • @whatsfordinner1695
    @whatsfordinner1695 3 года назад

    blah blah blahhh blah blah

  • @yimmeistaryimmeistar7239
    @yimmeistaryimmeistar7239 3 года назад

    Rothfield ruins this show.