Also even surviving veterans preferred the Zaku and the Dom due to their ease of piloting, with only a few exceptions like Johnny Ridden, Shin Matsunaga, Anavel Gato, and Char.
Same thing happened to the GuAIZ in Gundam Seed, with relatively inexperienced pilots driving it, and the few remaining experienced ones either dying or preferring their GINNs and CGUEs.
@@charlumau thanks, i finally got to the part in the manga where they explain it. They basically surround the joints with active magnets on each side with oposing polarities. So the joints, are kind of free-floating in the parts where they would normally grind. So this makes the gundams response time a lot faster, and its power output more efficient because there is no energy loss due to friction.
@@heroedeleyenda05Spoilers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . In the end of the series. The Gundam still couldn't keep up with Amuro as the system itself overheats whenever it tries to keep up with Amuro's reflexes so the NT-1 Alex Gundam was commissioned but it never arrived to him.
I enjoy both your Zaku II and Gelgoog videos. I hope you'll do more Zeon's MS in the future, especially towards the subject of their unique amphibious units like the Zogok, Juaggu and so on.
The GM is only the basic model of the series, they are still many more successors with greater performance that the Gelgoog need to face against to, like the GM Command, GM Sniper II, GM Sniper Custom and the GM Type C
You can see a gelgoog being used by the sleeves in 0096 against a jegan during the final battle of gundam unicorn, it didn't have much screen time but it looked to be doing fairly well, which says something because the jegan d type was a modern mass production machine and for a oyw mobile suit to be able to compete in that era is pretty epic.
Zeon engineering for you, even the Jegan has some Zeon tech used in it's own construction much like all MS in the UC 0090's. They are the analog for the Germans as in both world wars the German's greatly affected technology of the time. There was even a Panzer 4 used in the middle east against ISIS in 2017 which would have been like using a Zaku 1 in UC 0120 more or less. It's nuts some things will last for so long, how effective they are is highly questionable though.
@aaronluisdelacruz4212 both actually appear in the final battle against the sleeves. A gelgoog engages a jegan during Marida's death and both actually take a short bresk to admire her newtype glow. A regelgu shows up later alongside Lieutenant Angelo and his reinforcements, but it is then shot down by Conroy in his jegan ecoas type.
Love the Gelgoog. Especially the Jager version. Also what show or game featured all those Chivvay ships? I always liked that ship but never saw whatever those scenes came from.
Great video! Im reading gundam the origin for the first time, im at the part where they introduced the gelgoog for the first time and char is bragging about it. I figured i might as well check whats so great about it before i move on. This is exactly what i was looking for, thanks!
In my opinion, the gelgoog can't be considered a true mass production machine. It was certainly planned to mass produce it, but it never actually happened.
@@r1l426 still. 300 is still mass produced, regardless if they made a 100 trillion zakus, i would still consider 300 gelgoogs mass produced. Also, it seems like the plan was to continue producing more of them, but it was slowed down bc of low supplies then stopped bc the war was over.
They were planned for mass production but resources kinda pushed them into an ACE unit role which they filled nicely but in far too few numbers and far too late in the war to really make an impact. It was the Tiger 2 of it's time in that regard.
I am very late but it is likely pilot preference being shown, shields restrict movement and most Zeon pilots were trained using the Zaku and under the doctrine of high mobility MS. Because of this a shield can be seen as 'dead weight,' so they'd just carry it into combat but not use it for better maneuverability if I had to take a guess.
Let's be honest here. The ESF would have gotten steamrolled if they didn't have Gundams. Their tactics suck and so do their pilots in comparison to Zeon.
Zeon had more time to train MS pilots, and that wasn't even true by the end of the OYW, as most of Zeon's veteran pilots were dead before A Boa Qu. The fact that Gelgoogs were stuck in a stalemate against mostly stock GMs, which they massively outperformed (hell, a Gelgoog competes against Gryps era suits in Zeta) was categorical proof Zeon _didn't_ have better pilots by then.
@@passingrando6457 Misconception due to most anime has Zeon aces butchering GMs, truth is GM is only 10% weaker than the RX-78 and lacking the core fighter. It has beam weaponry and also learning computer shared with Gundam (meaning once Amuro engaged any new Zeon new MS, GMs pilots will auto gain experience from it) . Japanese sources put GM to be slightly on par with Gelgoog and made the Dom and Zaku II totally obsolete. The performance advantage of Gelgoog is slight and totally cannot be realized by time of A Baoa Qu which is accurately protrayed in Msigloo where u can see they are being shot down by GMs with relatively ease. Again anime portrays Gelgoog to be "super MS" coz they are piloted by aces.
ZEON lost a lot of their Ace pilots and their resources were thin. If ZEON would have spent less time on the mobile armors and more time in building up new Ace pilots and giving the Ace pilots the gelgoog, then things would have been a bit different. IDK if they would have won but the war would have dragged out into 0081. The ZEON mobile armors were awesome but it was so expensive to build them but I understand why ZEON focused on the Mobile Armors, it’s because they wanted their own super weapon and to advance with New Type research. The Gelgoog is a great ZEON mobile suit, it’s fast, strong, agile, has that giant shield on its back to defend itself from rear attacks. The double sided beam sword had a reach advantage compared to the GM beam saber. I think if ZEON would have safe guarded their Ace pilots while making new Ace pilots and giving them the Gelgoog, Zaku 2 high mobility type, it would’ve helped ZEON a lot. The Zaku ones should have all been converted into snipers and the Zaku one snipers can hold defensive fighting positions. And pick off enemy earth federation MS. I also think the mobile armors and the Zeong should have only been used to defend Abawa Qu and Solomon. The tactic I would’ve used is use my remaining resources, logistics, and tactics to create defensive fighting positions and try to slow down the earth federation and drag the war out into 0081-0082 till the federation gets sick and tired of fighting. Oh wait, Char had his feuds with the Zabi family, I didn’t think about that part.
How do you build up ace pilots? In real wars, ace pilots are only made through entering in combat, where most die and a few become veterans. There's no building. There's just combat and glory or death, no? They used mobile armors a lot near the end of the war in the series I think because single mobile suits had zero chance against the gundam, there were no more gimmicks to pull there. The gundam was a super weapon when piloted by Amuro. The gelgoog was probably great, but the only problem with the Zaku, or Gouf I guess, or Dom, was that they couldn't beat the SINGLE gundam, which they weren't even designed or expected to do. If we want to talk about tactics, how about if Zeon hadn't thrown an ungodly amount of lives and resources after chasing the White Base around? However, it was developed too late in the war to matter anyway.
@@Sinsteel you are wrong. Iron sharpens iron. You can build Ace pilots and you do that with other Ace pilots to lead them. ZEON thinned their resources by building the mobile armors. Like I said before. If ZEON focused on building defensive fighting positions and turning it into a war of attrition then the earth federation would have gotten sick of fighting and the war would come to an end. Also it didn’t help that Char was capping the Zabi family.
@@erniestrother3545actually, zeon still have lots of ace pilot, but they were mostly stuck on earth. Zabis too undermining each other which hurt their forces just like how kcylia kill gihren, causing a bulk of their forces withdrawn from a baoa qu.
I think what he's implying is that Zeon should have implemented what the USAAF and USN did irl during WW2, that after a specific period of time in the frontlines, aces are rotated to the training academies to teach the new pilots. Unfortunately, Zeon went the opposite, letting the aces stay until they were killed or maimed.
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The only problem is most Zeon aces died earlier in the war so they have to put inexperienced pilot inside a high performance machine.
They should have stopped placing the pilots in the exact spot Amuro loves to shove his beam sabre through then!
Also even surviving veterans preferred the Zaku and the Dom due to their ease of piloting, with only a few exceptions like Johnny Ridden, Shin Matsunaga, Anavel Gato, and Char.
Same thing happened to the GuAIZ in Gundam Seed, with relatively inexperienced pilots driving it, and the few remaining experienced ones either dying or preferring their GINNs and CGUEs.
When Amuro field upgraded his Gundam with the magnetic coating, Char should have countered it by using the modular high mobility back pack.
Whats the benefit and purpose of the magnetic coating? I keep hearing that term being used but i dont really know how its used
@@heroedeleyenda05 I think it suppose to make the articulation of the gundam faster to keep up with Amuro new type ability
@@charlumau thanks, i finally got to the part in the manga where they explain it.
They basically surround the joints with active magnets on each side with oposing polarities. So the joints, are kind of free-floating in the parts where they would normally grind.
So this makes the gundams response time a lot faster, and its power output more efficient because there is no energy loss due to friction.
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In the end of the series. The Gundam still couldn't keep up with Amuro as the system itself overheats whenever it tries to keep up with Amuro's reflexes so the NT-1 Alex Gundam was commissioned but it never arrived to him.
@@aaronluisdelacruz4212 Yup, it's destroyed or badly damaged fighting a single Zaku wielding only a heat hawk, over in Side 3...
I enjoy both your Zaku II and Gelgoog videos. I hope you'll do more Zeon's MS in the future, especially towards the subject of their unique amphibious units like the Zogok, Juaggu and so on.
The Gelgoog would have been the perfect replacement of the Zaku series to match the rgm-79 gm...
The GM is only the basic model of the series, they are still many more successors with greater performance that the Gelgoog need to face against to, like the GM Command, GM Sniper II, GM Sniper Custom and the GM Type C
@@ZETAPLUSA70 As well as the GM Sniper Custom.
You can see a gelgoog being used by the sleeves in 0096 against a jegan during the final battle of gundam unicorn, it didn't have much screen time but it looked to be doing fairly well, which says something because the jegan d type was a modern mass production machine and for a oyw mobile suit to be able to compete in that era is pretty epic.
Zeon engineering for you, even the Jegan has some Zeon tech used in it's own construction much like all MS in the UC 0090's. They are the analog for the Germans as in both world wars the German's greatly affected technology of the time. There was even a Panzer 4 used in the middle east against ISIS in 2017 which would have been like using a Zaku 1 in UC 0120 more or less. It's nuts some things will last for so long, how effective they are is highly questionable though.
I wouldn't say it's a Gelgoog but a ReGelgu. Like a reprinted version of the Gelgoog.
@@taliawtf6944 well said
@aaronluisdelacruz4212 both actually appear in the final battle against the sleeves. A gelgoog engages a jegan during Marida's death and both actually take a short bresk to admire her newtype glow. A regelgu shows up later alongside Lieutenant Angelo and his reinforcements, but it is then shot down by Conroy in his jegan ecoas type.
Yeah average Unicorn Zeonwank
Love the Gelgoog. Especially the Jager version. Also what show or game featured all those Chivvay ships? I always liked that ship but never saw whatever those scenes came from.
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Thunderbolt from the looks of it.
@@barrybb5409 I'll have to check that series out. Those ships usually never get featured so it will be cool to see them in that series.
Great video! Im reading gundam the origin for the first time, im at the part where they introduced the gelgoog for the first time and char is bragging about it. I figured i might as well check whats so great about it before i move on.
This is exactly what i was looking for, thanks!
Great video
Was the rick Dom intended to fulfil the support role, like the rb-79?
the Rick Dom was simply an interim MS to bolster Zeon's MS forces while the Gelgoog was being finalized
It was more of a stopgap. Sort of like how the m3 tank was used in ww2 in the pacific, before the Sherman was ready.
I enjoyed this Dark Docs style you did here too much, you should use it more often
Loving the dark channels presentation style.
In my opinion, the gelgoog can't be considered a true mass production machine. It was certainly planned to mass produce it, but it never actually happened.
I think 700 units count as mass produced.
@@heroedeleyenda05 more than 3000 zaku 2 f types were produced and that's just one variant.
@@r1l426 still. 300 is still mass produced, regardless if they made a 100 trillion zakus, i would still consider 300 gelgoogs mass produced. Also, it seems like the plan was to continue producing more of them, but it was slowed down bc of low supplies then stopped bc the war was over.
They were planned for mass production but resources kinda pushed them into an ACE unit role which they filled nicely but in far too few numbers and far too late in the war to really make an impact. It was the Tiger 2 of it's time in that regard.
A couple of hundred artillery variants were in production in A Boa Qu. Most of them would've been ready if Zeon had one more week of preparation.
We need more videos like this is very cool
Why was the shield always seen on the back of the mobile suit in 0079? Is it the due to the lack of feasibility in animation?
I am very late but it is likely pilot preference being shown, shields restrict movement and most Zeon pilots were trained using the Zaku and under the doctrine of high mobility MS. Because of this a shield can be seen as 'dead weight,' so they'd just carry it into combat but not use it for better maneuverability if I had to take a guess.
SIEG ZEON!!!
I'm probably the only person that noticed this but dudes voice reminds me of the narrator of Ace Combat 4: Shattered Skies.
Wasn't the beam naginata standard on Gelgoogs? I thought it was, but I may be mistaken. Good video though.
It was indeed. A couple variants, like the Jaegar, had a normal beam saber, but the naginata was standard.
dark docs style nice XD
Nice but it kinda Reminds me of Dark Docs youtube channel. Especially with the title cards and narrator
Great video but I think you watched a little too much "Dark Docs" RUclips channel with this style of presentation.
Let's be honest here.
The ESF would have gotten steamrolled if they didn't have Gundams.
Their tactics suck and so do their pilots in comparison to Zeon.
Zeon had more time to train MS pilots, and that wasn't even true by the end of the OYW, as most of Zeon's veteran pilots were dead before A Boa Qu.
The fact that Gelgoogs were stuck in a stalemate against mostly stock GMs, which they massively outperformed (hell, a Gelgoog competes against Gryps era suits in Zeta) was categorical proof Zeon _didn't_ have better pilots by then.
@@passingrando6457 Misconception due to most anime has Zeon aces butchering GMs, truth is GM is only 10% weaker than the RX-78 and lacking the core fighter. It has beam weaponry and also learning computer shared with Gundam (meaning once Amuro engaged any new Zeon new MS, GMs pilots will auto gain experience from it) . Japanese sources put GM to be slightly on par with Gelgoog and made the Dom and Zaku II totally obsolete. The performance advantage of Gelgoog is slight and totally cannot be realized by time of A Baoa Qu which is accurately protrayed in Msigloo where u can see they are being shot down by GMs with relatively ease. Again anime portrays Gelgoog to be "super MS" coz they are piloted by aces.
Feds most accomplished ace during OYW is a GM pilot though
ZEON lost a lot of their Ace pilots and their resources were thin. If ZEON would have spent less time on the mobile armors and more time in building up new Ace pilots and giving the Ace pilots the gelgoog, then things would have been a bit different. IDK if they would have won but the war would have dragged out into 0081.
The ZEON mobile armors were awesome but it was so expensive to build them but I understand why ZEON focused on the Mobile Armors, it’s because they wanted their own super weapon and to advance with New Type research.
The Gelgoog is a great ZEON mobile suit, it’s fast, strong, agile, has that giant shield on its back to defend itself from rear attacks. The double sided beam sword had a reach advantage compared to the GM beam saber.
I think if ZEON would have safe guarded their Ace pilots while making new Ace pilots and giving them the Gelgoog, Zaku 2 high mobility type, it would’ve helped ZEON a lot. The Zaku ones should have all been converted into snipers and the Zaku one snipers can hold defensive fighting positions. And pick off enemy earth federation MS. I also think the mobile armors and the Zeong should have only been used to defend Abawa Qu and Solomon.
The tactic I would’ve used is use my remaining resources, logistics, and tactics to create defensive fighting positions and try to slow down the earth federation and drag the war out into 0081-0082 till the federation gets sick and tired of fighting. Oh wait, Char had his feuds with the Zabi family, I didn’t think about that part.
How do you build up ace pilots? In real wars, ace pilots are only made through entering in combat, where most die and a few become veterans. There's no building. There's just combat and glory or death, no?
They used mobile armors a lot near the end of the war in the series I think because single mobile suits had zero chance against the gundam, there were no more gimmicks to pull there. The gundam was a super weapon when piloted by Amuro.
The gelgoog was probably great, but the only problem with the Zaku, or Gouf I guess, or Dom, was that they couldn't beat the SINGLE gundam, which they weren't even designed or expected to do.
If we want to talk about tactics, how about if Zeon hadn't thrown an ungodly amount of lives and resources after chasing the White Base around?
However, it was developed too late in the war to matter anyway.
@@Sinsteel you are wrong. Iron sharpens iron. You can build Ace pilots and you do that with other Ace pilots to lead them. ZEON thinned their resources by building the mobile armors. Like I said before. If ZEON focused on building defensive fighting positions and turning it into a war of attrition then the earth federation would have gotten sick of fighting and the war would come to an end. Also it didn’t help that Char was capping the Zabi family.
@@erniestrother3545actually, zeon still have lots of ace pilot, but they were mostly stuck on earth.
Zabis too undermining each other which hurt their forces just like how kcylia kill gihren, causing a bulk of their forces withdrawn from a baoa qu.
@@trollinoakenshield9822 but they don’t have the resources.
I think what he's implying is that Zeon should have implemented what the USAAF and USN did irl during WW2, that after a specific period of time in the frontlines, aces are rotated to the training academies to teach the new pilots. Unfortunately, Zeon went the opposite, letting the aces stay until they were killed or maimed.