So basically 1) renew our mind by reading the word 2) Speak the word out in prayer and confessions 3) Ask the holy spirit for help to change our thoughts (in a continual manner)
Proverbs. He forms all of our thoughts. Ask good to form all of your thoughts. The sin ful thoughts will be washed away and cast out through Gods work on our mind. This is far to complicated. Whatsoever ye ask in my name. Read the word... Let it sink in. Repeat it under your breath. Al day and night.
I can empathize with Pastor John when he says, "I wept at the structures in my mind that were torn down." Lately I've been thinking about all of the idolatry God has been chipping away in my heart and mind. It is astounding how deep rooted idolatry and false beliefs can be. You know, that part in the Gospel where Jesus overturns the tables and drives out all of the merchants? Sometimes I think He's like that with our minds. Only he drives out our unrighteousness and sinful thinking. Or whatever else misleads us. Just a thought, I dunno. •_•
Pastor John, I have used this verse for myself. I have OCD and this verse has helped me through the roughest of times through it. Every OCD thought that has been "Scrupulous" I always go straight to scripture. Awesomeness!
This was so touching to hear! God bless you in remaining faithful to Him throughout your battle with OCD. "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."
I used to suffer from this OCD before, and I understand. I hate OCD so much! I hate intrusive thoughts so much! Now, I feel way better after I gave my life to Jesus Christ, three months ago. I am still fighting against some mental strongholds, but it is way better now, and God is continuing to heal me and grow me as I seek His face more and more. Hallelujah!
I concur with John about seasons of weeping as God does His dismantling work in me. The Word of God must break us, it must crucify our flesh and then rebuild us in the Truth of the Word - in Yeshua our Messiah.
My thinking are wicked from the Pitt of hell. The thought patterns I have I still have from before accepting Christ. I try not to watch anything wicked or listen, but sometimes I’m stuck in situations where I have to hear wicked perverse songs and I have perfect melody memory and they play over and over in my mind. It’s torture. I feel so filthy and evil. I need prayers.
Continue to pray and stay strong for god, I’m right there with you. It’s a serious battle to not let my fleshly desires or thoughts back in. I just have to remind myself that I’m a new person and Jesus is with me. He’s always there, and you can go to him and his word whenever your struggling
How do I stay focused? I have trouble concentrating. Focusing. My thoughts and imagination take hold when I'm trying to concentrate on God's word. And study. Sometimes not wholesome thoughts.
Donna Wheeler Pray that God will help you focus and that he will commune with you while reading😀 When I pray earnestly it works every time. Sometimes my brothers bother but I take care of it and get back to it!! God bless! 😃
I've struggled with the same thing. I pray earnestly and think on all the great things God has done for me and others. I'll be praying that you me and other Christians who struggle with this overcome
I find writing Scripture in large print on blank paper, and taping them around the room, lounge anywhere that you can see from your central seated position, on the walls, curtains, bathroom mirror, fridge, wardrobe etc. This will help visually as your eyes will focus in from wherever you happen to be in the room. l also have a memory list of what scriptures are ' hot ' for my current situations. And set aside daily memory time Like when you have a quiet Bible study time. Make time.. Early in the morning, sometime during the day and in the evening quiet ( prayer) time..
I so so struggle with taking my horrible ungodly thoughts captive . Please pray for me it’s something I really want to conquer but need the Holy Spirit to help me
@@theresagustafson1670 hi there. Thanks for asking that’s really nice of you… I’m actually still struggling a lot. My circumstances surrounding me are extremely stressful and cause me to live in constant fear and angst. I am sort of trapped in my own body due to a neck injury years ago, chronic pain/disabled now, and am just trapped right where I am at. I believe in Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit but I feel in my case I am just … unfixable or in Gods eyes- a lost cause. I’m broken inside and out. Mentally defeated depressed and discouraged. Sorry to be a downer but it’s the truth. I feel God has given up on me. How can things just keep going from bad to worse? Will I ever know inner peace?
Oh sweet girl, I'm sorry to hear this, but I'm sure God has never given up on you, nor will he ever. You have his word. Please put those thoughts in submission to God's will. He always has a plan. This is not news to God. He is not saying " oh boy what now". No. He knew this before you were born. He has a plan for you Try to focus on things that make you stronger. Sing, read his word, help someone else. So much to do. people need you. Thank you so much for sharing your life with me. Jesus died for you. He adores you!! No matter what. I will continue to pray for you. For your healing in your mind and body. God be everything to this beautiful daughter of yours lord. In Jesus name.
Thank you my beloved brother Tony and Pastor John Piper for this awesome podcast. May my Mighty Lord Jesus Christ ALWAYS bless you all. 🥊🥊🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💖✝️
I strruggle so so much with very bad thoughts and unclean thought while reading the bibel or other christians content. This is going on for a year a now…(because I cant conquer it) If you see this, please PLEASE pray for me, I need a total renovation of my mind and my subconcious mind as well. My name is K.
Fascinating. I have ALWAYS read and been taught that this verse was about our thoughts! I’m looking forward to now praying the prayers Pastor John suggested and opening myself to Gods pruning, with Bible and the Holy Spirit
What I have learned and it works is to say "I take this though captive to the obedience of Jesus/ Yeshua and I thank you Jesus ' it works especially when you are in emotional turmoil ,or you have lustfull thoughts or trauma remember you enemy will always twist every though
Ephesians 6:12 We wrestle not against flesh and blood, But against principalities, Against powers, Against the rulers of the darkness of this world , Against spiritual wickedness in high places.
For my future reference, here is my summary of this podcast: 2 Corinthians 10: 4 - 5 "(4)since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments (5) and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ." The enemy in these texts is the minds and lofty, proud arguments lifted up against God." The apostle Paul demolishes these arguments by divine power so that people can think rightly about Christ, be obedient in how they think about Christ. How do we apply the verses to ourselves? We should listen to Paul and submit all our own thoughts, ideas, worldviews, about God to Paul's teachings. We should ask the Holy Spirit to work; this not only about mere intellect, but also about seeking God's face. This way, our minds can be brought to alignment with the mind of Christ.
Thank you Ps John for your Holy Spirit inspired answer. Most of the people who comment didn't understand this answer. From 3.45 he starts to answer the question, and when he says Paul, he means the Spirit of God, remember that every part of the Bible is words inspired by the Holy Spirit. At the beginning he is explaining the scripture, please listen carefully Amen
So often I've heard this verse preached in the same context Sarah has probably heard it too. For many years, I too thought about it as me taking my thoughts captive in regard to growing in obedience. While we do want to subject ourselves to...surrender our minds to Christ, this is Paul so obviously saying how we as fellow workers and ministers in the Gospel are able to rely upon the power of God in tandem with the knowledge of the truth to make converts. But as Pastor Piper points out so well, we hope to mature in faith unto increasingly greater, more full obedience, and seeing how Paul calls us to depend upon the power of Christ to do both: make certain our thoughts are willingly being taken captive unto obedience (for God's glory) while employing the same dual dynamic for evangelism. Knowledge proclaimed and power applied...by God the Spirit. Sometimes I comment simply to help myself remember what was proclaimed through the preachers hermeneutics, like now.
Sarah the Holy Spirit teaches us individually... And THE ARMOR OF GOD in Ephesians 6, Will help you w the helmet of Salvation, ... Surrender all you think u know, with the words of God in the Bible.. Every THINKING thought that does not glorify the Kingdom of God... Read and fill your mind w the new person your becoming, and most importantly, stay standing in Christ Jesus... Praying for u🙏🏼
Thank you Pastor John. I need to take captive thoughts more quickly and hand them to Christ. The more I practice this then it will become habit. I hate what bad thoughts can do when left to fester.
The only thoughts we can take captive is our own. So we should examine everything in our thoughts. Next we can hear what others are saying and weigh that against the truth. If we are in constant fellowship in prayer and the word, meditate on the word this becomes easier and easier as we grow in God. Press towards the mark.🙏🏻♥️
These strong holds are in deed in our mind. Example when we lay hands on the sick and heal them, WHICH we are suppose to do! Thoughts may come in our minds that do not line up with the word of God. We are to take captive those thoughts and bring it into obedience to Christ. What could those thoughts be...... doubt that we can not heal the sick or cast of demons or anything else that requires FAITH!!!! IT IS the spiritual world that moves against our faith. This is what this verse is talking about my brother
My thoughts so often lead me to believe in lies, which then leads me to pray less and less because I’m believing lies in my head. That scripture clearly speaks against but for some reason I just can’t shake them in my heart that God hates me in isn’t real and isn’t listening to me when I know that’s not the truth but yet I still want the lie control me and therefore controls the way I feel towards God in my prayer life please pray for me.
I had questions about this which I feel were extremely well answered. I've been wondering about this scripture and it's use in the church for a while. Amen.
I’ve been having bad thoughts and when ever I try to think in general I get bad thoughts and its frustrating and it’s getting me stressed and worried I just want to think my own Godly thoughts again
Çaptive to the obedience of Christ. It's Christ's perfect obedience that saved us. Our thoughts will tell us we don't measure up and we don't. But Jesus did for us. It's not our obedience that keeps us saved it's his obedience and once and for all sacrifice
We shouldn’t submit our thoughts to Paul’s teaching, he was an apostle yes but he is not more powerful than the God himself. You are always the most safe with the messiah and father God!!!
I don't think either are wrong...because both are one and the same. Overall, yes, it's Jesus. However, God worked through Paul to write this teaching. So, overall, both work well.
We all have sinned and fell short of the glory to God. The problem is, that God is holy and doesn’t live with sin. So we all deserve to go to hell, but Jesus paid the price so you don’t have to. All you have to do is confess Jesus as your savior and repent (turn from all sin) and you can have eternal life!
I like Pastor John but sometimes his explanations or answers go over my head. I feel as though he hasn’t answered the question or explained to my liking. I like direct and to the point. Make it personal. You need to do this, that, etc.
Black and Proud SPIRIT and TRUTH. Love the Lord your God with all your HEART, MIND, SOUL and STRENGTH. ALL is what Jesus said. There you love for Him and faith leads to repentance for the remission of sin to baptism IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. Acts 2. John 3. Salvation, to new creation (born again) to liberation (purification sanctification justification) for GOD’S GLORY in Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit.
The only way to Heaven is to be born again by saying out loud "Jesus is Lord" and believing in ur heart that God rose Him from the dead then you must live for Him i suggest getting baptized, repenting(asking for forgiveness of your sins and making a radical turn from ur sin), fasting (doesnt have to be from food), evangelizing(spreading the Gospel), praying, and reading the Bible. God and Jesus love all of you hmu with any questions have a good day God bless✝️❤️❤️ good works dont get u to Heaven God's grace does John 3:16 Colossians 2:6 Romans 10:9
How do I do think on things above trying to fight these blasphemy attacks. I deal with thoughts that slander God's name and His Nature😢😢😢 I try to get these thoughts out of my head and it just gets worse 😭😭😭😭 does anyone else deal with trying to fight these thoughts out of your head ugh its so tormenting
Sometimes the more you fight it the worse it gets, this information is not new to God, beating yourself for thoughts wont help, just look at the thought and deny it, the thought is not you! Its like a bird passing by, just dont let them make a nest in your hair.
my mind is full of noise, i find it difficult, sometimes when my mind is racing away n my image of myself, eg, lack of self esteem. . encouragement its ok.
Sometimes we over think this. Number 1. Recognize the thought in your mind as good or evil. Number 2 evil thoughts have to called out through prayer. Then they need to be given or handed over to Jesus. He will take your evil thoughts. Number 3 you pray for those evil thoughts to be replaced by that which is good an acceptable to Jesus. Allowing the Holy Spirit to empower you in this battlefield of the mind. It’s faith in agreement with gods word. There’s no specific magical word or verse to repeat over and over.
Right...how can it be Paul's responsibility? It's an act of our own will...no matter what passages of scripture we are applying. Confusing to me as well...maybe I'm missing something here.
Maybe possible but not Easy. We are in the flesh. The spirit (truth) warreth against the flesh. There is a constant battle within us. Our spirit (soul) is who returns to God. The flesh will go no further than this earth.
@@zinastaples3950 agreed. It’s ANY thing but easy! If it were the whole world would be a born again Christian!! @shorty I don’t appreciate your comment.
The emphasis on Paul can be confusing. Even Paul at one point in the scriptures chided Christians from looking to Him. This should have been clearer, please.
No, sorry, you missed it. As well as most who miss it, when I try to make it into something else. We need to look at the whole chapter, as it is a "thought" that Paul is making about a specific incident. Which is told in verse 2, and expanded thru the entirety, needing a historical perspective as well. Since we know if his writings in the Bible. Which they did not have, sans the OT. Bc what he says there (2) is that some don't think he is led by the Spirit, but speaking of his own. So he starts with the Spirit of God and idolatry. Meaning that the people Paul was talking about were lifting themselves up, and against the Spirit of God working thru Paul, to spread the knowledge of God (which is a theme throughout the Bible in the OT and as WE know it in the NT; by his Spirit, thru people) But his accusers didn't know about the Spirit in Paul, probably bc they didn't have Jesus. And that's what Paul goes on to say in vs 7. But verse 4 that everyone uses is actually an interjection setting up 5 & 6. "Mighty through God to the pulling do n of strongholds", more military imagery that Paul uses throughout his writings. And where are strongholds? They can be in the heavenlies or in our mind. Look ate vs 5, casting down means literal destruction. He associates it with imaginations and then "every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God". Paul writings have a pattern of blending new/old, carnal/spiritual, Roman military/army of God (Christian soldiers). Even as the often ignored vs 6 characterizes their later bloody power struggles for centuries....So I say again that it's not Paul's teaching or accurate Church doctrine to capture and control your thoughts of sin, bc you are sin/carnal. Jesus called us EVIL. The Church still doesn't understand that concept, along with many others. Bc old/ignorant teaching is passed from gen to gen, in schooling. And it's only in walking with Christ/Spirit that we learn fully about him and his teaching. In his red letters, or the Spirit in Paul...But people love to manipulate Paul to say what they want; and the Bible in general...Oh, the negativity! Yes, just as Jesus has made it. Can you understand that, youngsters in the LORD?
I’m sorry but you’re telling others to ask Paul (a mere human) to change our minds and submit to him? That’s totally against the word of God. Though I see the message that is a danger to young Christians in the baby stages of their walk and against Gods word. I would retouch this question and study that verse again.
Open your mind to the work of the Holly Spirit. Just him can look deeply in your mind and bring the light of Jesus thoughs to them. Ask him to help you, he will not fail :) sorry for the english -.-
False. The bible is saying it to BOTH other people AND to take our OWN thoughts captive because they don't only come from us....but....from an outside source that sometimes cannot be trusted. (Satan, Demons, The Flesh, etc...AND sometimes from God, Jesus, the Holy spirit or "Watchers"/Angels OR of course YOU) I guess even the best of pastors and preachers like John can sometimes be slightly wrong about certain things in the bible. Can't know everything I guess. Still love John Piper though. He's the real thing.
Walter White I felt the same way, I went straight to the word myself and started reading it and arguing with him mentally. I have never heard this interpreted like it was here! Must be careful with RUclips and content providers. Always prayerfully scrutinize what you hear in this and all mediums as far as the Word!
Walter White our thoughts are our own. Satan has no claim over you let alone his vermin agents. Let Jesus fully in your heart and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal this to you. Yield your spirit to God and love him with all your heart, MIND, soul and strength. You are a bond servant of Jesus Christ now not Satan unless you give that deceiver permission. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Eph 6:10-18 prayed over you and anyone else who believes the LIAR that he has control over your mind. IN CHRIST ALONE. God bless.
We MUST first NOT to be living a habitual LIFESTYLE, know the word. Then put on the WHOLE ARMOR of God. Helmet of Salvation, breastplate of Righteousness the belt of truth….. otherwise we’ll be doing this like backwards christians soldiers who’s going NO WHERE.
You should have proof if interpreting or else say 'my interpretetion is:'. Claiming that it isn't referring to one's own thoughts when that isn't clear from the text... I see danger in that!
The Christian's "RENEWED MIND" Recognizes the Sinful Thought without getting involved into Playing God and trying to FIX it "WORKS"..But Surrendering The Deceitful Sinful Thoughts by the Power of the Holy Spirit Working in Us to the Light"THE LORD"..Be Sober & Watchful but do not try to FIX,Guilt,Shame,Judging Ourselves wouldn't Work..
You need to just let thoughts come and pass, dont resist them, dont have any opinion on them like OH God I shouldn't be thinking that, and they will pass, despite what you heard, meditation is a great tool
I have a feeling that you know you're offering a non-biblical form of meditation to a primarily Christian audience, in the spirit of being helpful. Would you be willing to share what you believe about Jesus Christ?
@@kv8443 that He is Lord, but here's the thing I am not teaching new age I am just offering advice because you can't get in your head its dangerous thats why you should just let thoughts come and go
@@mattlove9066 I use to believe what you stated. Although you might've used this quote randomly, it is a widely accepted new age school of thought. It is important to test what we come across with the Word of the Lord. The Word of the Lord is pure and true. So hold steadfast to His Word at all times. Thoughts if left unchecked will consume the mind and lead to sin in the long run. So we are to instantly fight it with our shield of faith. Hold your ground in Christ and take it captive. Bind every thought that opposes the knowledge of Christ. His Word is true. Fill your heart with the Word of the Lord. Stand firm. The battle belongs to the Lord. You have to stand your ground, be watchful, alert and ready to confide in Christ. It is important to let the Devil know where we stand. Our identity and allegiance should be firmly rooted in Christ. God be with you
Bad immoral Thoughts you dont want are subjected to the WORD and the power of holy spirit/resurrected zoe life. Just as Jesus subjected satanic attacks by thoughts in the wilderness to the word. He overcame them and can overcome them in us (his life in us overcomes as we ask for help) ! Hebrews 4:15 John 16:33, 2 peter 1:2-10 As paul says in Romans 7, paraphrased ..when the thoughts/desires are not generated and entertained by us, its king sin looking for his way in us ! We die to sin by resurrected life working in us ! It's a process until final death and resurrection! As Martin Luther said *we die daily* Shalom in his overcoming life in us ! Philippians 1:6 Note - The process of sin, is *entertained* bad desires/thoughts that lead to sin and death. The bad thoughts / desires *if not entertained* do not become sin in us Read james 1:14-15
Satan is a spirit and he talks to our spirit. It is not necessary our minds it is the same as when angels talk to each other. Our spirit speaks and can listen and speak in the spiritual world.
So basically 1) renew our mind by reading the word 2) Speak the word out in prayer and confessions 3) Ask the holy spirit for help to change our thoughts (in a continual manner)
Abiola Adu Amen!
exactly
That's right.
Abiola Adu Amen
Proverbs.
He forms all of our thoughts.
Ask good to form all of your thoughts.
The sin ful thoughts will be washed away and cast out through Gods work on our mind.
This is far to complicated.
Whatsoever ye ask in my name.
Read the word... Let it sink in.
Repeat it under your breath. Al day and night.
I can empathize with Pastor John when he says, "I wept at the structures in my mind that were torn down." Lately I've been thinking about all of the idolatry God has been chipping away in my heart and mind. It is astounding how deep rooted idolatry and false beliefs can be. You know, that part in the Gospel where Jesus overturns the tables and drives out all of the merchants? Sometimes I think He's like that with our minds. Only he drives out our unrighteousness and sinful thinking. Or whatever else misleads us. Just a thought, I dunno. •_•
Vandy Bowling love this. Finding this accurate in my life too. He’s just breaking mental frameworks left and right.
Well we are that temple of God! He drives those things out of us and cleanses us and establishes Himself in us and makes His home in us. Praise God
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Yep praise to the heavenly father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Love this
I surrender everything to you Lord, Holy Spirit give me power and strength to heal my mind. Thank you Abba Father. In Jesus name. Amen.
Amen!!
Pastor John, I have used this verse for myself. I have OCD and this verse has helped me through the roughest of times through it. Every OCD thought that has been "Scrupulous" I always go straight to scripture. Awesomeness!
This was so touching to hear! God bless you in remaining faithful to Him throughout your battle with OCD. "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."
:) AMEN!
Radshack please share your testimony with me. As I'm going through the same thing
Tamsanqa Putuma is still in the process of been fully delivering but fast,read,pray
I used to suffer from this OCD before, and I understand. I hate OCD so much! I hate intrusive thoughts so much!
Now, I feel way better after I gave my life to Jesus Christ, three months ago. I am still fighting against some mental strongholds, but it is way better now, and God is continuing to heal me and grow me as I seek His face more and more. Hallelujah!
I concur with John about seasons of weeping as God does His dismantling work in me. The Word of God must break us, it must crucify our flesh and then rebuild us in the Truth of the Word - in Yeshua our Messiah.
My thinking are wicked from the Pitt of hell. The thought patterns I have I still have from before accepting Christ.
I try not to watch anything wicked or listen, but sometimes I’m stuck in situations where I have to hear wicked perverse songs and I have perfect melody memory and they play over and over in my mind. It’s torture. I feel so filthy and evil.
I need prayers.
It's amazing what happens if you pray inwardly in the moment. Call on the Lord, ask Him to cleanse you with His blood, to cover your mind.
Continue to pray and stay strong for god, I’m right there with you. It’s a serious battle to not let my fleshly desires or thoughts back in. I just have to remind myself that I’m a new person and Jesus is with me. He’s always there, and you can go to him and his word whenever your struggling
I feel you bro, I pray that through Jesus Christ our Lord may cease your spirit and destroy those evil thoughts that we his disciples have.
Sounds like paradise compared to me...
Praying for your deliverance 🙏🏻 you should feel very encouraged by the fact that you hate the sin.
How do I stay focused? I have trouble concentrating. Focusing. My thoughts and imagination take hold when I'm trying to concentrate on God's word. And study. Sometimes not wholesome thoughts.
Donna Wheeler Pray that God will help you focus and that he will commune with you while reading😀 When I pray earnestly it works every time. Sometimes my brothers bother but I take care of it and get back to it!! God bless! 😃
I've struggled with the same thing. I pray earnestly and think on all the great things God has done for me and others. I'll be praying that you me and other Christians who struggle with this overcome
I find writing Scripture in large print on blank paper, and taping them around the room, lounge anywhere that you can see from your central seated position, on the walls, curtains, bathroom mirror, fridge, wardrobe etc. This will help visually as your eyes will focus in from wherever you happen to be in the room. l also have a memory list of what scriptures are ' hot ' for my current situations. And set aside daily memory time Like when you have a quiet Bible study time. Make time.. Early in the morning, sometime during the day and in the evening quiet ( prayer) time..
I so so struggle with taking my horrible ungodly thoughts captive . Please pray for me it’s something I really want to conquer but need the Holy Spirit to help me
Ficm.org has great resources on renouncing lies n announcing Truth. Praying with you.
Me too. You're not alone. But you are headed in the right direction. Desiring the things of God.
I see this was a year ago, how are you doing now?
@@theresagustafson1670 hi there. Thanks for asking that’s really nice of you… I’m actually still struggling a lot. My circumstances surrounding me are extremely stressful and cause me to live in constant fear and angst. I am sort of trapped in my own body due to a neck injury years ago, chronic pain/disabled now, and am just trapped right where I am at. I believe in Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit but I feel in my case I am just … unfixable or in Gods eyes- a lost cause. I’m broken inside and out. Mentally defeated depressed and discouraged. Sorry to be a downer but it’s the truth. I feel God has given up on me. How can things just keep going from bad to worse? Will I ever know inner peace?
Oh sweet girl, I'm sorry to hear this, but I'm sure God has never given up on you, nor will he ever. You have his word. Please put those thoughts in submission to God's will. He always has a plan. This is not news to God. He is not saying " oh boy what now". No. He knew this before you were born. He has a plan for you
Try to focus on things that make you stronger. Sing, read his word, help someone else. So much to do. people need you. Thank you so much for sharing your life with me. Jesus died for you. He adores you!! No matter what. I will continue to pray for you. For your healing in your mind and body. God be everything to this beautiful daughter of yours lord. In Jesus name.
Thank you my beloved brother Tony and Pastor John Piper for this awesome podcast. May my Mighty Lord Jesus Christ ALWAYS bless you all.
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I strruggle so so much with very bad thoughts and unclean thought while reading the bibel or other christians content.
This is going on for a year a now…(because I cant conquer it)
If you see this, please PLEASE pray for me,
I need a total renovation of my mind and my subconcious mind as well.
My name is K.
Fascinating. I have ALWAYS read and been taught that this verse was about our thoughts! I’m looking forward to now praying the prayers Pastor John suggested and opening myself to Gods pruning, with Bible and the Holy Spirit
walk in the Spirit and we can take every thought captive. walk in the flesh and you will go wherever the wave of humanism blows you.
We have to watch our thoughts. They can wreck our health, lead us into trouble, and destroy the progress we have made
So true!!
me i feel like holy spirit left me and im dead been crying to days for help
@@LitoLochoss Holy Spirit never leaves you. John 14:17, Ephesians 1:13, but you can grieve him, quench him.
What I have learned and it works is to say "I take this though captive to the obedience of Jesus/ Yeshua and I thank you Jesus ' it works especially when you are in emotional turmoil ,or you have lustfull thoughts or trauma remember you enemy will always twist every though
Ephesians 6:12
We wrestle not against flesh and blood,
But against principalities,
Against powers,
Against the rulers of the darkness of this world ,
Against spiritual wickedness in high places.
For my future reference, here is my summary of this podcast:
2 Corinthians 10: 4 - 5 "(4)since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments (5) and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ."
The enemy in these texts is the minds and lofty, proud arguments lifted up against God." The apostle Paul demolishes these arguments by divine power so that people can think rightly about Christ, be obedient in how they think about Christ.
How do we apply the verses to ourselves? We should listen to Paul and submit all our own thoughts, ideas, worldviews, about God to Paul's teachings. We should ask the Holy Spirit to work; this not only about mere intellect, but also about seeking God's face. This way, our minds can be brought to alignment with the mind of Christ.
It is a wonder Christians don't all end up utterly insane blubbering husks rocking back and forth in strait jackets
Paul does not intercede for us only Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit. Other than that, good advice.
It sounded like he misspoke; I agree with you.
Yeah, I was confused when he said that. I don't want to talk to Paul nor do I believe in Paul to help me.
Thank you Ps John for your Holy Spirit inspired answer. Most of the people who comment didn't understand this answer. From 3.45 he starts to answer the question, and when he says Paul, he means the Spirit of God, remember that every part of the Bible is words inspired by the Holy Spirit. At the beginning he is explaining the scripture, please listen carefully
Amen
So often I've heard this verse preached in the same context Sarah has probably heard it too. For many years, I too thought about it as me taking my thoughts captive in regard to growing in obedience. While we do want to subject ourselves to...surrender our minds to Christ, this is Paul so obviously saying how we as fellow workers and ministers in the Gospel are able to rely upon the power of God in tandem with the knowledge of the truth to make converts. But as Pastor Piper points out so well, we hope to mature in faith unto increasingly greater, more full obedience, and seeing how Paul calls us to depend upon the power of Christ to do both: make certain our thoughts are willingly being taken captive unto obedience (for God's glory) while employing the same dual dynamic for evangelism. Knowledge proclaimed and power applied...by God the Spirit. Sometimes I comment simply to help myself remember what was proclaimed through the preachers hermeneutics, like now.
God bless you brother! Thanks for clarifying where this verse is coming from and for showing us the right application to it
Sarah the Holy Spirit teaches us individually... And THE ARMOR OF GOD in Ephesians 6, Will help you w the helmet of Salvation, ...
Surrender all you think u know, with the words of God in the Bible..
Every THINKING thought that does not glorify the Kingdom of God... Read and fill your mind w the new person your becoming, and most importantly, stay standing in Christ Jesus... Praying for u🙏🏼
Thank you!
God gave me this at the perfect time! I was literally just thinking about this!
Thank you Pastor John. I need to take captive thoughts more quickly and hand them to Christ. The more I practice this then it will become habit. I hate what bad thoughts can do when left to fester.
Worldly people are selective with whom they choose to love but spiritual people aren’t they love unconditionally
The only thoughts we can take captive is our own. So we should examine everything in our thoughts. Next we can hear what others are saying and weigh that against the truth. If we are in constant fellowship in prayer and the word, meditate on the word this becomes easier and easier as we grow in God. Press towards the mark.🙏🏻♥️
These strong holds are in deed in our mind. Example when we lay hands on the sick and heal them, WHICH we are suppose to do! Thoughts may come in our minds that do not line up with the word of God. We are to take captive those thoughts and bring it into obedience to Christ. What could those thoughts be...... doubt that we can not heal the sick or cast of demons or anything else that requires FAITH!!!! IT IS the spiritual world that moves against our faith. This is what this verse is talking about my brother
Remember... Proverbs 16 6 [NASB "By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil." I hope this helps!
I've had it backwards in the exact way she did. Thank you Pastor. This was very helpful.
Discern whether it's wrong or right in your mind. If it doesn't add up to scripture it's wrong. Dont listen to your own mind. Listen to Gods Word
My thoughts so often lead me to believe in lies, which then leads me to pray less and less because I’m believing lies in my head. That scripture clearly speaks against but for some reason I just can’t shake them in my heart that God hates me in isn’t real and isn’t listening to me when I know that’s not the truth but yet I still want the lie control me and therefore controls the way I feel towards God in my prayer life please pray for me.
I needed this
I had questions about this which I feel were extremely well answered. I've been wondering about this scripture and it's use in the church for a while. Amen.
Amen 🙏
help us to transform our minds Lord and not to conform to the pattern of this world
I’ve been having bad thoughts and when ever I try to think in general I get bad thoughts and its frustrating and it’s getting me stressed and worried I just want to think my own Godly thoughts again
Çaptive to the obedience of Christ. It's Christ's perfect obedience that saved us. Our thoughts will tell us we don't measure up and we don't. But Jesus did for us. It's not our obedience that keeps us saved it's his obedience and once and for all sacrifice
you should support the spoken words by putting the scriptures in the video
André Keller that's a good idea!
Or you can have your Bible handy.
Or follow along in the link in the description:
www.desiringgod.org/interviews/how-do-i-take-my-thoughts-captive
Isn't it amazing how many times this is taken out of context. Pastor John has put this in context! Thank you!
Gloria a Deus!
We shouldn’t submit our thoughts to Paul’s teaching, he was an apostle yes but he is not more powerful than the God himself. You are always the most safe with the messiah and father God!!!
Piper said to submit our thoughts to Paul’s teaching for scrutiny. Why not submit them to Jesus?
I don't think either are wrong...because both are one and the same. Overall, yes, it's Jesus. However, God worked through Paul to write this teaching. So, overall, both work well.
It’s not our obedience it’s Christ obedience that will pull down the strongholds
READ the PREVIOUS VERSE: "the weapons of OUR warfare are NOT carnal, but mighty THROUGH GOD".
We all have sinned and fell short of the glory to God. The problem is, that God is holy and doesn’t live with sin. So we all deserve to go to hell, but Jesus paid the price so you don’t have to. All you have to do is confess Jesus as your savior and repent (turn from all sin) and you can have eternal life!
I like Pastor John but sometimes his explanations or answers go over my head. I feel as though he hasn’t answered the question or explained to my liking. I like direct and to the point. Make it personal. You need to do this, that, etc.
Black and Proud SPIRIT and TRUTH. Love the Lord your God with all your HEART, MIND, SOUL and STRENGTH. ALL is what Jesus said. There you love for Him and faith leads to repentance for the remission of sin to baptism IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. Acts 2. John 3. Salvation, to new creation (born again) to liberation (purification sanctification justification) for GOD’S GLORY in Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit.
Over explains and leaves me like wha???
awesome
King Nabuccadnezer came into my mind when he took the Israelites as captives to Babylon. Just the word captive aroused that thought.
FANTASTIC!!!
The only way to Heaven is to be born again by saying out loud "Jesus is Lord" and believing in ur heart that God rose Him from the dead then you must live for Him i suggest getting baptized, repenting(asking for forgiveness of your sins and making a radical turn from ur sin), fasting (doesnt have to be from food), evangelizing(spreading the Gospel), praying, and reading the Bible. God and Jesus love all of you hmu with any questions have a good day God bless✝️❤️❤️ good works dont get u to Heaven God's grace does John 3:16
Colossians 2:6
Romans 10:9
By the FEAR of the Lord, men depart from evil. What do you think made Joseph FLEEE from Potipher's wife when she commanded him to sleep with her?
Are we praying to Paul now?
Rhonda's Blessed No we're taking the principle of what he's said and praying to God
I was confused by this too...
He is talking about Paul's teaching and bringing it to CHRIST in the power of the HOLY SPIRIT...
How do I do think on things above trying to fight these blasphemy attacks. I deal with thoughts that slander God's name and His Nature😢😢😢 I try to get these thoughts out of my head and it just gets worse 😭😭😭😭 does anyone else deal with trying to fight these thoughts out of your head ugh its so tormenting
Sometimes the more you fight it the worse it gets, this information is not new to God, beating yourself for thoughts wont help, just look at the thought and deny it, the thought is not you! Its like a bird passing by, just dont let them make a nest in your hair.
i know Christ.
my mind is full of noise, i find it difficult, sometimes when my mind is racing away n my image of myself, eg, lack of self esteem. . encouragement its ok.
5:36 you mean God not Paul. I hope so...
Sometimes we over think this. Number 1. Recognize the thought in your mind as good or evil. Number 2 evil thoughts have to called out through prayer. Then they need to be given or handed over to Jesus. He will take your evil thoughts. Number 3 you pray for those evil thoughts to be replaced by that which is good an acceptable to Jesus. Allowing the Holy Spirit to empower you in this battlefield of the mind. It’s faith in agreement with gods word. There’s no specific magical word or verse to repeat over and over.
Thank you for your interpretation pastor but I don’t agree. I believe that it is us as Christians who should be taking our own thoughts captive.
Right...how can it be Paul's responsibility? It's an act of our own will...no matter what passages of scripture we are applying. Confusing to me as well...maybe I'm missing something here.
Seria muito bom, se tivesse a legenda em português.
A maioria dos vídeos, não tem legenda.
Haha I have so many thoughts - sometimes they turn boastful
It's easy, don't believe your thoughts good or bad. Let go and give yourself and your spirit to God and follow the his will and you'll be fine.
Maybe possible but not Easy.
We are in the flesh. The spirit (truth) warreth against the flesh. There is a constant battle within us. Our spirit (soul) is who returns to God. The flesh will go no further than this earth.
It’s anything but easy for me.
@@zinastaples3950 agreed. It’s ANY thing but easy! If it were the whole world would be a born again Christian!! @shorty I don’t appreciate your comment.
So, would thinking these thoughts be sins if it’s not a command
The emphasis on Paul can be confusing. Even Paul at one point in the scriptures chided Christians from looking to Him. This should have been clearer, please.
No, sorry, you missed it. As well as most who miss it, when I try to make it into something else. We need to look at the whole chapter, as it is a "thought" that Paul is making about a specific incident. Which is told in verse 2, and expanded thru the entirety, needing a historical perspective as well. Since we know if his writings in the Bible. Which they did not have, sans the OT. Bc what he says there (2) is that some don't think he is led by the Spirit, but speaking of his own. So he starts with the Spirit of God and idolatry. Meaning that the people Paul was talking about were lifting themselves up, and against the Spirit of God working thru Paul, to spread the knowledge of God (which is a theme throughout the Bible in the OT and as WE know it in the NT; by his Spirit, thru people) But his accusers didn't know about the Spirit in Paul, probably bc they didn't have Jesus. And that's what Paul goes on to say in vs 7. But verse 4 that everyone uses is actually an interjection setting up 5 & 6. "Mighty through God to the pulling do n of strongholds", more military imagery that Paul uses throughout his writings. And where are strongholds? They can be in the heavenlies or in our mind. Look ate vs 5, casting down means literal destruction. He associates it with imaginations and then "every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God". Paul writings have a pattern of blending new/old, carnal/spiritual, Roman military/army of God (Christian soldiers). Even as the often ignored vs 6 characterizes their later bloody power struggles for centuries....So I say again that it's not Paul's teaching or accurate Church doctrine to capture and control your thoughts of sin, bc you are sin/carnal. Jesus called us EVIL. The Church still doesn't understand that concept, along with many others. Bc old/ignorant teaching is passed from gen to gen, in schooling. And it's only in walking with Christ/Spirit that we learn fully about him and his teaching. In his red letters, or the Spirit in Paul...But people love to manipulate Paul to say what they want; and the Bible in general...Oh, the negativity! Yes, just as Jesus has made it. Can you understand that, youngsters in the LORD?
I’m sorry but you’re telling others to ask Paul (a mere human) to change our minds and submit to him? That’s totally against the word of God. Though I see the message that is a danger to young Christians in the baby stages of their walk and against Gods word. I would retouch this question and study that verse again.
#ThePathsJesusWalked
I still didn't get it. Help ?!
Open your mind to the work of the Holly Spirit. Just him can look deeply in your mind and bring the light of Jesus thoughs to them. Ask him to help you, he will not fail :) sorry for the english -.-
@@brunamarfim2080thank you for sharing and your English is beautiful
Don’t ask Paul for anything.
False. The bible is saying it to BOTH other people AND to take our OWN thoughts captive because they don't only come from us....but....from an outside source that sometimes cannot be trusted. (Satan, Demons, The Flesh, etc...AND sometimes from God, Jesus, the Holy spirit or "Watchers"/Angels OR of course YOU) I guess even the best of pastors and preachers like John can sometimes be slightly wrong about certain things in the bible. Can't know everything I guess. Still love John Piper though. He's the real thing.
Walter White I felt the same way, I went straight to the word myself and started reading it and arguing with him mentally. I have never heard this interpreted like it was here! Must be careful with RUclips and content providers. Always prayerfully scrutinize what you hear in this and all mediums as far as the Word!
Walter White and how do we take the thoughts OF OTHERS captive anyway, makes no sense! Sorry forgot to Add that before...
Walter White I agree!
Walter White our thoughts are our own. Satan has no claim over you let alone his vermin agents. Let Jesus fully in your heart and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal this to you. Yield your spirit to God and love him with all your heart, MIND, soul and strength. You are a bond servant of Jesus Christ now not Satan unless you give that deceiver permission. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Eph 6:10-18 prayed over you and anyone else who believes the LIAR that he has control over your mind. IN CHRIST ALONE. God bless.
Correct Walter White.
This preacher got this most important scripture very wrong.
Ephesians 6:12
Interesting, I always thought it meant taking your own thoughts captive, in terms of sinful and lustful thoughts.
It is not the thoughts of others this is referring to.
Rebuke them and repent
We MUST first NOT to be living a habitual LIFESTYLE, know the word. Then put on the WHOLE ARMOR of God. Helmet of Salvation, breastplate of Righteousness the belt of truth….. otherwise we’ll be doing this like backwards christians soldiers who’s going NO WHERE.
You should have proof if interpreting or else say 'my interpretetion is:'.
Claiming that it isn't referring to one's own thoughts when that isn't clear from the text... I see danger in that!
I misread it too! Grateful for clarity!
Jesse Lee Peterson brought me here.
The Christian's "RENEWED MIND" Recognizes the Sinful Thought without getting involved into Playing God and trying to FIX it "WORKS"..But Surrendering The Deceitful Sinful Thoughts by the Power of the Holy Spirit Working in Us to the Light"THE LORD"..Be Sober & Watchful but do not try to FIX,Guilt,Shame,Judging Ourselves wouldn't Work..
You need to just let thoughts come and pass, dont resist them, dont have any opinion on them like OH God I shouldn't be thinking that, and they will pass, despite what you heard, meditation is a great tool
I have a feeling that you know you're offering a non-biblical form of meditation to a primarily Christian audience, in the spirit of being helpful.
Would you be willing to share what you believe about Jesus Christ?
@@kv8443 that He is Lord, but here's the thing I am not teaching new age I am just offering advice because you can't get in your head its dangerous thats why you should just let thoughts come and go
@@mattlove9066 I use to believe what you stated. Although you might've used this quote randomly, it is a widely accepted new age school of thought. It is important to test what we come across with the Word of the Lord. The Word of the Lord is pure and true. So hold steadfast to His Word at all times. Thoughts if left unchecked will consume the mind and lead to sin in the long run. So we are to instantly fight it with our shield of faith. Hold your ground in Christ and take it captive. Bind every thought that opposes the knowledge of Christ. His Word is true. Fill your heart with the Word of the Lord. Stand firm. The battle belongs to the Lord. You have to stand your ground, be watchful, alert and ready to confide in Christ. It is important to let the Devil know where we stand. Our identity and allegiance should be firmly rooted in Christ. God be with you
Cannot take thought captive to obey Christ
It’s the obedience of Christ on the cross
i disagree with you here dr john, i take MY OWN thoughts captive and make them obedient to christ. this is what is we are told to do
Bad immoral Thoughts you dont want are subjected to the WORD and the power of holy spirit/resurrected zoe life. Just as Jesus subjected satanic attacks by thoughts in the wilderness to the word. He overcame them and can overcome them in us (his life in us overcomes as we ask for help) ! Hebrews 4:15
John 16:33, 2 peter 1:2-10
As paul says in Romans 7, paraphrased ..when the thoughts/desires are not generated and entertained by us, its king sin looking for his way in us ! We die to sin by resurrected life working in us !
It's a process until final death and resurrection! As Martin Luther said *we die daily*
Shalom in his overcoming life in us !
Philippians 1:6
Note -
The process of sin, is *entertained* bad desires/thoughts that lead to sin and death.
The bad thoughts / desires *if not entertained* do not become sin in us
Read james 1:14-15
Your fallen star's
Satan is a spirit and he talks to our spirit. It is not necessary our minds it is the same as when angels talk to each other. Our spirit speaks and can listen and speak in the spiritual world.