1994 Budget Rent-A-Car Invitational (USA vs. Romania)
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2016
- June 10-11, 1994 - The Centrum - Worcester, Mass.
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I still can't decide if NBC's fluff pieces were the best or worst things ever
Definitely the best. They're pure cheese and cheese is always the best.
@@Kaboomboo you hit the nail on the head! Lol
I love the fact that I'm watching a video from before I was born and I still gotta deal with Tim and Elfie
Tim needs to retire from commentating
Lol. That was great. Ty for that! Made my day!
God you make me feel old -Lol
They are both way better than anyone else, especially Nastia.
I love reading these hilarious comments & have to say Kathy Johnson was thee classiest commentator😊
I've been looking for this forever. I remember seeing this on a random weekend on TV when I was in elementary school and the images of the opening fluff piece had been etched into my mind with the Romanian girls skipping in a circle and saying how they lived and trained together since they were children unlike the American team who were collected from all across the country. For an 8 year old, that type of narrative was so compelling to me for some reason. I could not remember what competition this was or even what year I've seen it for me to even know what to look for.
And Romanian girls whas colected by from all country,but to enter on Deva,whas work to all to prove,they are best of the best from little kids. After that,there whas prepared and trained.
OMG I recorded this on VHS but my mom threw it away after I moved out! Finally we are reunited 😂😂😂
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What a shame Thompson retired before reaching her potential. Her amplitude at such a young age was incredible. Could have gone all the way.
Her form, difficulty, and that toe point....She was incredible!!
THANK YOU USAG!! Please keep it up and upload more late 80s and early-mid 90s meets.
Brings back memories. Haven't seen this meet since it was broadcast in 1994.
Your fans appreciate it!
mchur001 agree! This was one of my favorite meets- I had it on VHS! A great meet for Fontaine
Do you think NBC ever watches events like this and asks themselves, "Why didn't we show just one routine from that seventh Romanian?" I know hindsight's 20/20, but it's a shame the only one of the 14 gymnasts they didn't show (Simona Amanar) ended up being one of the most accomplished the group.
Do you think NBC ever watches events like this and asks themselves, "Why didn't we show just one routine from that seventh Romanian?" I know hindsight's 20/20, but it's a shame the only one of the 14 gymnasts they didn't show (Simona Amanar) ended up being one of the most accomplished the group.
NO ONE WHO EVEN SHOOTS THE STUFF WATCHES IT, THEY JUST DO IT ALL FOR A JOB AND MONEY, THEY COULDN'T CARE LESS, ONLY A TRUE GYMNASTICS FAN WOULD NOTICE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU SAID....
LISZTIZATION I'm flattered by your implication that I might be a "true" gymnastics fan, but disagree that only a true fan would notice what I did - I consider myself more than a four-year fan, but far from an expert. I just heard her name announced in the background early on in the coverage and then was surprised not to see her compete later.
I also disagree that the TV people "couldn't care less." They did, after all, care enough to show at least one routine from the other 13 gymnasts at this meet l. My guess is between routines and fluff pieces, they got low on time and had to cut a girl out. It seems safe to assume the decision came down to Amanar or Cacovean (They wouldn't have cut an American - especially two years before a U.S. Olympics.). Since they highlighted Cacovean in their fluff pieces, and she was the one with the cute interview in English, she was the one who made the TV broadcast.
HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YA, A CLOSER EXAMINATION THAT MOST PEOPLE WON'T TALK ABOUT........MOST PEOPLE DO LIKE GYMNASTICS, BUT MOST WILL NOT TALK ABOUT IT OR ADMIT IT, ESPECIALLY GUYS, SINCE SOME OF THE GIRLS ARE PRETTY, AND SOMETIMES PRETTY YOUNG, I'M SURE THERE IS GYMNASTICS FANS THAT HAVE SHOT COMPETITIONS, LIKE MYSELF, BUT ARE AFRAID TO BE "OFFICIAL" FANS FOR FEAR OF BEING LABELED A PERV IN PEOPLE'S MINDS, SO THEY STAY IN "MACHO WORLD" AND ONLY TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL, ON LOCATION SHOOTS, OR IN THE STUDIO, OR WHERE EVER, WHICH I ALWAYS THOUGHT WAS FAIRLY GAY FOR GUYS TO BE SOOOOOOO INTO BIG HAIRY GUYS CHASING A BALL AROUND, PERSONALLY I WOULD RATHER WATCH THE FEMALE GENDER CHASE STUFF AROUND, AND DO SOMETHING ARTISTIC TO GREAT MUSIC !!!
SO TO FURTHER CLARIFY WHAT I SAID BEFORE, WHILE AT WORK ANYWAY, THE PEOPLE ON THE CREWS THAT SHOOT THE STUFF HAVE TO PRETEND THEY DON'T LIKE IT, AND AREN'T INTERESTED IN IT, AND DON'T KNOW ALL THE NAMES AND STATS OF THE COMPETITORS, ETC. - THAT IS THE GAME THEY HAVE TO PLAY IN THIS SOCIETY WE LIVE IN, AT LEAST THAT HOW IT COMES ACROSS AT THE MEETS I'VE BEEN TO, BUT IN REALITY THEY PROBABLY KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT IT ALL THAN THEY WOULD EVER ADMIT, BUT AS FAR AS WHO THEY SHOW, THEY PROBABLY JUST RAN OUT OF TIME, LIKE YOU SAID......LIFE IS A GAME, AND GYMNASTS ARE HOT.........THAT'S THE TRUTH OF IT......... WELL A FEW OF THEM ANYWAY......IN FACT MALE & FEMALE GYMNASTS HAVE THE MOST PERFECT BODIES OF ANY SPORT THAT I'VE EVER SEEN, IN OTHER WORDS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY OTHER SPORT WHERE THEY WORK HARDER, AND DEVELOP BETTER BODIES THAN GYMNASTICS !!!
LISZTIZATION well, while your right insofar as many grown men don't want to acknowledge they watch for fear of being a perv..... where your wedding is in saying they have the best developed bodies, as gymnasts don't fully mature during elite level training. mensuration is delayed, along with just about everything else. some men prefer compact"women" and others small women with his, chests and buts, which comes after the intense 60 hr week work outs end
SO I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE "DEVELOPED".......MUSCULARITY v.s. MATURITY.......
It's so fun looking back at things you thought were so cool and now you think are lame, like the beginning of this video. I remember watching this as a teenager and getting emotional at the music 😂😂😂
My favorite thing was the Nadia Comaneci interview. Just looking at her dark hair and her beautiful face!! She's absolutely gorgeous!! I adore her!! What an icon!! Love her!! 💛
I actually think she’s prettier now in her 50s then when younger. Legend.
Gina gogean was so impressive
It's wild how different bars were back then--all about swing instead of handstands.
You know the scoring is messed up when American commentators point out overscoring in favour of the American gymnasts.
bloodymarybee I know, right!
bloodymarybee Ain't that the truth!
Yeah, no kidding. Ghimpu was totally robbed in vault; as u said, even Tim pointed that out
How does Cain get 9.8 with all that sloppy form and a step on the landing, compared to Ghimpu?! What a joke.
Donnie Thompson’s beam routine had gorgeous beam choreography.
It makes you wonder how Atlanta would have been with Ana Maria Bican on the team... So pitty she got injured. She deserved that chance; sometimes life is cruel.
Absolutely. She had a fantastic Double Twisting Yurchenko, solid bars, great beam, and top-notch tumbling for Floor (if not great choreography). I think she could've been an all-arounder like Marinescu on the 1996 Team and, perhaps, Tugurlan or Loaies would've been dropped. Sad about Cacovean, as well.
They couldnt of made it more obvious that there was an american bias. They scored Gogeans vaults way too low
Larissa's bars dropped my jaw! Today all you see is handstands and pirouettes. They bore me. I want as many release moves as they can connect!
I was the one of the gymnast to
Because that is why I am inspired by watching gymnastics
I remember watching this live 😬
how did Shannon Miller score the same on her weak piked half twisting yurchenko with a hoo forward on the landing, as Angela Ghimpu who did a powerful one and a half, stretched with a STUCK landing??
William T the scoring system was different back in the day. Harder stuff wasn’t given bonus points like today. Everything was scored out of a 10 wit deductions being the same.
Dead giveaway that the judging was rigged af
Shannon was always overscored. Part of it was Nunno was a mobster who threatened death on judges who did not inflate MIller's scores and give her more medals.
@Russell Hayman Nunno is a creep. Way worse than Bela/Marta, but probably not as bad as Larry Nassar.
@@mindyschocolate and still, ghimpu was better
thank u for bring back the good memories of this young USA girls competition can u bring back as early as possible 1970,too the 90 down thank u UTUPE
Wow! A 9.75 for Miller's bar routine. I love Shannon's gymnastics but they gave her gifts here. How Ghimpu got a lower score on vault than Shannon with a more difficult vault and a stick is beyond my comprehension. I know that reputation counts especially back when, but it's kinda rude to the Romanians.
Miller was overscored, but the vaults has the same start value at the time.
It’s ok, Romania usually got their over scores at Worlds during this period and beyond. The joke used to be that there was a 0.3 Romanian bonus by the time 2001 Worlds hit.
Angela Gimpu's vault scores were an absolute disgrace, Gina Gogean's as well. Gimpu stuck her first vault, no form breaks in the air, Shannon took a step on her 2nd vault, yet Gimpu gets a 9.85 vs Shannon's 9.9?
Yes. There was an American bias here, but I'd argue there was more of just a plain old Shannon Miller bias. Even some the American routines got shafted. Doni had superb beam routine with difficulty, form, line, amplitude, perfect technique, and just a .05 step on the landing...she somehow got only a 9.9 sv from the judges and scored a 9.7.
Shannon Miller is great champion in the 1996 Olympics good work Shannon Miller
She’s the nicest person too. I met her at the beginning of covid. Super sweet and also received her law degree and is a cancer survivor. Very impressive woman to this day!
Bless the Romanian fluff. A lot of it was re-shown at the 1996 Olympics
Kristen Ras It's better than NBC!!
Andrew Schumm Though both this broadcast and the Olympic coverage were in fact NBC?
BLAH!
And I really wish Gina would smile
In real life she does. I saw her a few times when I was in school (I went to school in the city they trained) and I was very surprised when I saw her waiting for the train and she was amused seeing me so confused :) I still regret not saying anything to her, she really seemed friendly.
Omg Sarah Cain’s hair, why why why
Shannon Miller the best gymnast America ever put out. She and Gina Gogean are my favorite
Doug Raddi 2nd best (by a large distance) behind Biles. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Andrea Cacovan's outfit at 33:00 is amazing.
So many girls didn't go to 96 Olympics lol
Zoë Loves Gymnastics yeah, Powell and Larissa Fontaine were supposed to be the new challengers, but they simply weren’t even close to Dawes or Miller or Chow or strug. Way behind.
For the U.S. yes. If I remember right, though five of the Romanians were originally named to the Olympic team, but only three (Amânar, Gogean and Milosovici) actually competed. Cacovean had to pull out before the team came to the U.S., and Bican was hurt in Atlanta. Also, Hatagan was part of the 1994 and 1995 World teams. So this was probably close to their best available team at the time.
What happened to Larissa? Never heard of her
Man...love Shannon, but she was so ridiculously overscored on every single event at this comp.
Ahhh yes, the 90's/early 2000's gymnastics fluffs.
I also have admiration when the United States' girls are interviewed, they are still EXHAUSTED but do not use the word "like" every five seconds!!! EDUCATED and eloquent. Love you, girls!
ilove the romain team and nadia
What a name for a gymnastics competition 😂 Classy
Great meet though, USA vs Romania.
How many floors did Milo have in 94?! She did different ones in Brisbane worlds, here and in Dortmund worlds.. at the Europeans she performed this one.. interesting that she would scrap what Brisbane floor and this floor for a new one in Dortmund
well since her coreo always sucked it didn't really matter how many routines she had in one year as they were all just thrown together anyway with anything meh
I forgot just how annoying Tim and Elfi were.Nastia is still worse then both combined tho....... And how does Tim not see the huge leg separation in Gina's vaults?
Not Saying UGH I agree about Tim and Elfi... I think Shannon miller is one of the best ever commentators ever, I wish she would just commentate every single event
+Alessa Carmen I agree! Shannon is eons ahead of Nastia in terms of commentating. I wish Shannon and Kathy Johnson could commentate together. I wouldn't mind Amanda Borden either, she is certainly much more eloquent and polished than Nastia!
I was thinking the same thing - Kathy’s one of the most eloquent, classiest commentators ever and both clearly love gymnastics regardless of where the gymnast is from.
I like Nastia but love Shannon as a commentator. I think Simone would be great when she retires!
Just watched this again several years later and I didn't realize that Doni told Gina good job after bars and Gina gave her a nasty look. Glad that there is better sportsmanship now in 2023.
Could it be that Gogean doesn’t know English and didn’t understand what Donni said? Maybe
9.75 for Mller's Ub is ridiculous.
Did they actually show, for an unnecessarily long time, a dead woman's body lying on a sidewalk? Really? Please, somebody, please tell me I am imagining things....
Alexandra Smith right!? I thought the same like omg
I don’t think she’s dead. I think she’s just napping like the homeless people do.
They did indeed. 😢Horrifying.
I think Elfie is a great commentary.
Don't get me wrong, Shannon's a fantastic gymnast, but it really showed how the US judges favored Shannon in this quad, not just here, but also the 94 nationals. Larissa Fontaine and a few Romanians actually vaulted better than Shannon, yet she was given a higher score than them. For example, Gina Gogean's vaults were so rigged, anything below a 9.85 for the fist vault is a disgrace, Nadia Hategan's vault scores were also lower than I expected, it should've been just slightly lower than Larisa's. This competition was so disrespectful to the Romanians. Larisa should've had sole first place after the bars rotation after Shannon's bars mishap. Also in Nationals, Shannon took a huge uncontrolled step during her first pass on floor, was given a 9.9, and she scored 9.4 on beam with a fall in addition to other errors. The scores made her a lot closer to Dominique Dawes who won, when in international judging the margin would've been much larger
agreed
They did Amanda Borden dirty in that "America's Best" videotape ad towards the end, "highlighting" her beam fall. Haha yikes!
28:10 You have to love messy haired Stroescu watching pensively as Raducan tumbles.
Holy shit!!!! That is andreea raducan! Who knew that 6 years later that little girl would become the all around champion in the Olympics
I miss Elfie
32:48 Andrea Cacovean masquerading as the love child of Liberace and Prince
Is 2020 and still think this was a rip off.. Americans again over scored. Gina should have gotten first.
Ow is 2022 and I’m still thinking the same thing. Every year that goes by is more noticiable how they were robbed.
Even Elfi and Tim knew it was a rip off 😂
Andrea cacovean the same music from Daniela Silivas in 89 :)
i think miller was way overscored
@QPHashSS77 Miller WAS over-scored as she had reputation and you know something is messed up when even the commentators say they were over-scored
Miller was always way overscored. Her whole career, gifts after gift.
Ugh!!! The BEGINNING OF THE END of gymnastics commentary...Elfi Schlegel...never made a name for herself...takes it out on EVERYONE ELSE! "Shades of blah blah blah....shades of nya nya nya..." I am SO glad she's gone...NOW LET'S GET RID OF AL TRAUTWIG!!!!! Give me Bart Conner and Nastia Liukin together ANY DAY!!!And BRING BACK Kathy Johnson! She was HILARIOUS! She LOOOVED correcting ESPN Commentators who had NO idea what they were covering, and she was Scorpiomentally judgmental! She was HILARIOUS sometimes! "It's AMAZING! THEY ALL have the SAME HAIRCUTS!" (the 1989 World Championships! I'm NOT kidding...she SAID IT! AND they TOTALLY DID! DYKE haircuts, to boot!
Jason Smith lol hair back then was inexcusable
I'd prefer it if Nastia did not do any commentating. I'd surely have Amanda Borden or Shannon Miller over Nastia any day. Those two are by far more knowledgeable and much more polished. Although I'd agree with you about Kathy Johnson, she's funny and an excellent commentator!
Why did Elfi leave ? (not that I didn't do cartwheels)
Kathy also never talked down to the audience like Dim (Tim) or Elfi
Jason Smith maybe unpopular, but I don’t have a huge problem with Dagget. maybe he’s really repetitive, but still has some things to say. I’m glad Elfi is gone. She was a downright bully and had nothing nice to say. 2003 WC she said “I never thought they’d use someone with so little talent.”
i thought this was gonna be the world cup 1994 football match lol
I thought I had seen it all in gymnastics, but I haven't seen this 😔. Gosh those fluffs are cringeworthy but oh so amusing.
Those Romanian bars, yikes. Gogean has the most flat tkachev I've ever seen
Did L Milosovici use the same choreography for routines with different music from 94-96?
Como as olimpíadas fora nós EUA em 1994
Elfi keeps jinxing people! First Donnie on bars, then Milo on beam! Sheesh Elfi!
A 7TH GRADER COMPETING?
12 year old?
Oh I see her! 13!
They literally put the gymnast’s weight along with name? 😒
america beats romania here but look what happens in 2000 olympics result. hahahaha
Funny you had to skip the 1996 Olympics to make your point. I mean these gymnasts at this competition were vying for that Olympics, not 2000. And are you sure you want to laugh now? I mean where is Romania in 2016 to now?
@@SDoesNotKnow Evilness
I wonder who believed it was really necessary to list the weight of each gymnast
It's actually to showcase how different weights affect tumbling and style. Same with height. It's quite fascinating when you think about it. It's not meant to insult them.
This was stopped after a gymnast died of an eating disorder.
rach look up Christy Heinrich to learn why it stopped.
ilove nadia
OMG when the commentator says Donnie has the Gold medal in pouting I couldn't believe it. These commentators just can't keep their foots out of their mouths, can they? Just a terrible and disrespectful comment. Somewhat unbelievable.
pappysprite He was quoting her coach.
pappysprite Time stamp is 18:11 if any one care to hear the “idiots in actions”. I had to go back and find it for myself because I couldn’t believe a coach would be stupid enough to say this about their gymnast, whom they want on the national team; and that a reporter would be so arrogant as to repeat the comment about a 13 year old girl.
@@innocentbystander4459 Tom Forster was her coach so not surprised….what else can you expect🤨!
That was a gross comment! Donnie is a fantastic gymnast.
Larrissa’s fake smile in the interview hahaha. She was like girl bye I got girl talk to get to
These people are muscular asf
Los gringos haciendo mucho show en sus presentaciones.
A ginasta número 13 da Romênia merecia 10
The romanian never smile..they talk about old age at 18v.shut up ..i know its 1994c.and times have changed simone at 24 winning worlds oksana at 40 winnin medals on vault
The commentary is absolutely abysmal. Comments like ‘she might be out of the family’ in regards to the Romanian athlete and ‘not bad for a replacement’ for the US girl. It’s just beyond me that they comment on personal things instead of the gymnastics itself. They really should’ve been axed years ago.
Romania 💔💔
I think Tim Daggett had a seriously inappropriate crush on Larissa. I remember being so uncomfortable watching this.
Gina gogean can hit her landings but looks miserable every Meet. Seen her in 20 Meets. Never one smile
Any girl from foresters gym would’ve thrived and done so much better anywhere else but there. He wasn’t capable of producing Olympians. Powell had one moment for the American cup and that’s it.
Look at gymnasts from the 70's, 80's and 90's look at the great shape that they're in and compare them to today's gymnasts especially American gymnasts who look so fat and out of shape.
I find the Romanians very boring to watch. They appear unenthusiastic, rote and quite uninspiring routines. This crop of gymnasts were not as creative as comanici or silivas. Even when I was a kid and watching gymnastics I remember thinking this. Americans far more interesting.
Why did you watch them then? You could have looked away, that easy. No team in history had more success in the 90s than the Romanians. They are the best
Their strength was their consistency. They could not get it wrong. I personally found it very exciting, to watch them stick, stick and win while all the rest made mistakes. They were the best in competition, their medal count proves it. And their team spirit was equal to none.
Agreed. This was the beginning of the Octavian Belu reign where he chose boring robotics over personality. But I did sort of find that exciting in a way. Seeing the same interchangeable gymnastics sticking and winning over more exciting but less consistent gymnasts. Then the difficulty of gymnastics went up and their forms got fugly but they still had the robotics and the same arm choreography. Of course, once the open-ended system happened, that was the fall of Romanian gymnastics as they could no longer game the 10.00 system by finding the easiest and most consistent but boring ways to hit the 10.00 SV without pushing any envelopes save for the Amanar. The Soviets they were not. Now more difficulty was rewarded, and doing more difficulty than “necessary” finally got rewarded. Unfortunately, that wasn’t the Belu-philosophy and they fell behind. That said, that consistent robotic mantra did have them backing into a few bronze medals until Romania ran out of gymnasts.
@@SDoesNotKnow - Fall of the Romanian gymnastics have nothing with training,but in fact are fall of all sports in Romania,because of politics and coruption. Nothing whas on first place in past,now are destroyed. Starting with gymnastics,footbal,handball,rugby,etc. All are destroyed.
@@soledadferrer1325 😘
These commentators are so negative I can't stand them
Why, because they are honest with respect to the overscoring of the americans? I find them simply honest.
I still can't decide if NBC's fluff pieces were the best or worst things ever