60KB for a 68k to ARM emulator? Whoever worked on that is one hell of a madlad! It also makes me wonder if this was done using an interpreter, a dynarec of some sort or a litany of NESticle-esque speedhacks to make full speed emulation possible with next to no intervention.
With a powerful 144Mhz ARM CPU emulating a 33Mhz Dragonball they could have easily cut some corners and made something just 'good enough'. But they seemed to really go for it with tight code and a big hit right out of the gate. Madlads indeed!
@@JanusCycle Shame it did not account for those that access the bare metal tho. Then again the goal was to get _commercial_ software to work, which had to respect the API.
And to think that iPods were a big thing in 2002 and 4khz of telephone quality audio is all Palm thought they'd need; what a self-inflicted would that must have been. It's amazing to see how far we've come in 20 years.
And it took them three months to release the patch. Which was highly anticipated to arrive 'soon' by many in discussion forums. To be fair they were focused on their core market of general PDA users and did an outstanding job, but still.
@@Sb129 I didn't think of ATRAC. Sony would of course use their experience with Minidisc technology when putting a decoder chip in their CLIEs. I will look at a CLIE one day.
There must've been a really good reason to put there the horrible low pass filter. Perhaps the sound chip was not well optimized and they had issues with battery life when running it at normal sampling rate? Anyone remembers whether there was a difference between before and after applying the patch?
This video actually inspired me to order one to play with. My stepmother had a Palm Centro back in the day, and I never got to play with PalmOS. Better late than never, I guess
Just found your channel. I like you. You explain things with the right amount of detail AND brevity. You are charismatic and hold my attention. Hats off to you, sir. May your blossom in subscribers! Oh, and thanks for taking an entire evening away from me while I binge watch memories on your channel. I had one of the OG B&W models, only once I could grab one on the used market ;). Most uncomfortable stylus I have ever used! Thank you for bringing this back. Things were so much simpler back then. And companies did once listen to their consumers. . . Once upon a time.....
I guess it could be said that the DragonBall Processor didn't have enough power level to be useful anymore... It would have been nice if they had released a better one and called it SuperDragonBall- If ya overclocked it, you could say it was using kaioken xD Honestly, I'm surprised that nobody made a DragonBall joke yet in the comments- Amazing video regardless, just found your channel and am loving to discover more about pdas and some tech from the early 2000s, its amazing to see what they could already do on mobile despite it being so early on o.o
I think that's the mark of a great hardware transition. The only people that notice and remember are the nerds that consider it in retrospect, long after it happened, and not because of the impact it made.
Hey Janus, I used to love playing around on my mums old palm tungesten t as a kid a few years back. I never knew it had an arm cpu, or that interesting audio filter thingo. Thanks for another great video! 😄
I had the Tungsten. It was neat for a Palm since it was so much faster and could do so much more. Very well built. But the problem is that it was segmented in this catch-up mode with its competitors for the high-tech features. If you really were satisfied with old Palm programs you really did not need this more expensive PDA. And if you wanted more in terms of multimedia, this was far from the most competitive. As it was mentioned here, the video playback was just meh, and the wifi version I had was way too crazy slow for non-WAP HTML sites. In the end, those who itched to do modern post-2000 activities on a handheld device were left not too happy with the Tungsten. And of course, the late solution for Palm was the eventual development of what became the Palm Pre, which by then the ship had sailed for competitive marketplace.
It was an odd time for Palm. Sony were advancing their handhelds with hardware supported multimedia features using Palm OS4. While Palm were focused on developing Palm OS5 for multimedia. Yet still releasing PDAs with only basic functionality. It's really odd.
I got my hands on a phone that can run windows like the lumia you've shown, it's actually working very well, gpu support and all ! I find windows on arm very interesting, microsoft's x86 emulation is impressive
I believe you must hold the voice memo button down and it should start recording until released, it’s been a while though so idk. The only applications that don’t work well with the emulation wrote directly to hardware instead of Palm’s api. If you ask me, the reason Windows Mobile failed to transition to WP7 from WM 6.5 was the lack of a compatibility layer. Palm even made that misstep with WebOS, it was a walled off emulator you had to buy. If you want a good experience of later models I’d suggest the Zire 72s and the TX and maybe also the Tungsten T3.
Thanks for the voice record button tip. I was wondering about that. I didn’t know that detail about WebOS legacy compatibility. Seems like quite a misstep. I do want to try a TX for the deluxe Palm OS 5 experience.
@@JanusCycle Yep and if you want a top notch palm device the LifeDrive is also an option, its main storage is a 4 gb Microdrive but you can replace it with a CF card and one bigger than it came with.
@@Sb129 I do want a LifeDrive. The catch would be that I like Microdrives so much now, that I would keep it running with one just to hear it working inside.
Looking back i really wished i had one of these back in the 2000s when i think of palm i think about the ones from the 90s that only ran basic office programs but being able to do some of the things on here like playing videos and music would have made things a lot less boring for me i school and while traveling.
hi janus, you have incredible will to continue for making this kind of videos (that makes me very happy ) exact same area of interest (mobile devices, hacking them, forcing them to do another task which they cant do default) i really feel myself in my confortzone, this videos lowering my anxiety. i hope you become something, something good, rich etc.
I love watching Les Hiddins. Since I live in the USA I had a lot of episodes to watch then add Rob Bredl and Malcom Douglas into the mix. I had plenty to watch and watch again like I do to this day.
A friend had a Palm Zire 71 with the same CPU, which was good enough for playable Sega Genesis emulation. It was quite a shock for me to see the original Sonic The Hedgehog running on a pocketable device!
With Ask The Leyland Brothers & Harry Butler all gone bush Les definitely dominated the charts
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I'm glad I found this channel. Very impressive analysis. I'm my personal opinion, even though Palm did no invented mobile devices like these, I'm very sure their influence was very strong for modern devices. Is sad to see how it all ended :(
The only problem i had wiyh my tungsten t3 is the multitasking capability.... 2004 device where you can't have a simultaneously apps running .. and of course the famously known "fatal error" message .. sometimes even with native/intergrated system apps crashing ... but over all it was a great device
Palm could of Ruled the world... Could Palm be modernized with current hardware and a more updated and capable OS beyond even their WebOS? Would love to see their founders or other visionaries move with something new in the world of Android and IOS.
Some games actually access the screen in a similar way to that demo, I can only assume it's some sort of framebuffer issue, Nebulous and Serious Sam show the same dual display in gameplay, but their menus are fine.
Of course, Apple also transitioned from the Motorola 68k to a RISC CPU by building an emulator into the operating system, though it was the PowerPC instead of ARM. Given Apple's involvement with ARM at the time (because of the Newton), there's an alternate reality in which Apple chose ARM to replace the 68k instead of PowerPC. Instead it took them another 20 years and two extra transitions to get there. (For what it's worth, ARM based Mac systems are 64-bit only, and 64-bit ARM is very different from 32-bit ARM)
Can you imagine what palm os smartphones would look like today if they kept going. It would be like android but completely different. Almost want to dedicate my life to this even though it would be impossible
Just added an Tungsten E to my collection (it's all your fault lol!) - main reason was for MP3 playback and amusement on mini breaks away from work etc As it's two models behind the T do you know if it too was affected by the same filtering issue? Also, I can't seem to find a decent 'Palm Timeline'? There's the Wikipedia list but you have to go into each model to get the date. Perhaps we need a Palm version of 'GSM Arena' :) :)
Can you tell me what that battery option in the preference panel is? I converted one of my Palm 3xe to lithium batteries, but the OS battery level indicator is tuned to normal AAAs, and has no idea about the lithium cell. Thank you! Love your videos 😁
My Treo650 does AR great with very good sounding ringtones but the wi-fi SD card just will not mount so thats really something a great video -+ RED SEKTOR +-
Man, this video has a sick tune in the title card, but I couldn't figure out what that song is. Can anyone help me with that plase? Edit: nevermind, I found it a while ago apparently. Nice amiga tune.
Due to my work I often come across old business related technology. Things like mobile phones, tablets, toughbooks and PDAs that get forgotten about in the bottom drawer of a desk or collected up and stored at the back of the highest shelf in the office store room when a company issues its staff with new tech. Since owning a Treo 750, I've had an interest in Palm products and I was excited to find a m515 and just recently a Tungsten T3. Finding detailed information on old devices like these is often difficult, so it's always a pleasure to watch a video focusing on these handhelds that offers some of the history and reasoning behind the design and not just a retrospective review of the product and it's functions.
Nice device, i had TX at the time, great memories. It was smart enough to remember and instantly open last open app. Only bad thing it wasn't any waterproof even too light rain. Can be killed with few drops, same easy as it's predecessors.
I have a couple of Japanese phones. But nothing too involved. I love weird Japanese exclusive gadgets. They are like stepping into an alternate universe of tech.
@@JanusCycle yes the Japanese call it the Galapagos syndrome it's not as prevalent today as it once was. Also the phones from that era were mainly flip phones making them more uniform compared to phones from other countries, I also think their designs hold up a lot better. They had a lot of advanced features like GPS, Internet and even wireless payment way before anyone else. I haven't seen many people who've made in depth reviews of these phones I think that would make a interesting video, one of my favorites from that period is the Infobar phone from 2003.
Windows 8.1 will be ten years old next year! I do have a Windows 8 or 8.1 tablet, but I got it with no battery. I'd like to get it up and running one day. Windows 10 tablets may take a while to become 'old' and find their way to me. I do have a cheap Windows 10 tablet that I bought new. I used it in my Windows 11 computer video to install onto the Lumia. It's weird because there are no drivers made available and no mention of how to reinstall Windows. I'm not very comfortable with these new ways technology works.
t3 was a much better model. In place of a 320x320 screen, you get a 320 x 480 when you extend the unit. The graffiti area on the button is "virtually" on the t3 (they used the screen). So, graffiti could be hidden, and you write directly anywhere on the screen. Or you could go old school, and have the screen bring up on the bottom the classic graffiti writing area. When you did/do that, then you back to a 320x320 screen. The other advantage is that t3 had great support for "landscape" mode. I mean, flip the t3 horizonal, and in extended mode, you would have a 480x320 screen - and it was able to do a remarkable job of say displaying a spreadsheet. And also I used to watch movies and shows all the time. I had a PVR, and it could write to a dvd-rw. So, I would record say a week worth of shows, write them out to that dvd-rw. I then popped the dvd into my PC, and converted the video's to a lower screen res, and frame rate (15 fps). I then transferred all the shows to a SD card, and voilà! - a week worth of shows to watch on my T3. And in full mode (480x320), you had quite a large screen by that time frame standards. I had OFTEN stated that when they introduced their phones, I wanted a T3 as a phone with the screen. But, apple did that!!! And at that time Blackberry was oh so popular, so their phone models had keyboards. (I wanted a unit without keyboard - like the T3). but, the T3 in many ways was ahead of its time. A larger format pda, all touched based, and a screen that extends when you open/slide the device open. And sliding the device to extended is how mine was setup to "turn on". I used that T3 for a about 7-9 years. In fact after 5 years of hard use, a friend of mine who bought one at the same time gave me his unit (hardly used much - not like I beat the unit I had to death). so, with that near new palm, I carried on for about 4 more years!!! I miss that device, but I was watching shows and movies on that thing long before smartphones + say this youtube video stuff came along!!!
oh god the speakers remind me of the video now flip device. so fucking crappy of a video player. they have specialized cds that were made to not be the same size as normal dvd/cds and the slightlest nudge makes them skip frames.
60KB for a 68k to ARM emulator? Whoever worked on that is one hell of a madlad! It also makes me wonder if this was done using an interpreter, a dynarec of some sort or a litany of NESticle-esque speedhacks to make full speed emulation possible with next to no intervention.
With a powerful 144Mhz ARM CPU emulating a 33Mhz Dragonball they could have easily cut some corners and made something just 'good enough'. But they seemed to really go for it with tight code and a big hit right out of the gate. Madlads indeed!
@@JanusCycle Shame it did not account for those that access the bare metal tho. Then again the goal was to get _commercial_ software to work, which had to respect the API.
i've written stuff which's elf executables are smaller than that, id do it too
it is just an emulator. no dynarec. source: i am the DmitryGR
Where can I hear about the hacks you say NESticle used?
And to think that iPods were a big thing in 2002 and 4khz of telephone quality audio is all Palm thought they'd need; what a self-inflicted would that must have been. It's amazing to see how far we've come in 20 years.
And it took them three months to release the patch. Which was highly anticipated to arrive 'soon' by many in discussion forums. To be fair they were focused on their core market of general PDA users and did an outstanding job, but still.
Also kind of funny since Sony Clies had great audio and visual quality long before Palm did it, they even could use the ATRAC encoding like MDs
@@Sb129 I didn't think of ATRAC. Sony would of course use their experience with Minidisc technology when putting a decoder chip in their CLIEs. I will look at a CLIE one day.
There must've been a really good reason to put there the horrible low pass filter. Perhaps the sound chip was not well optimized and they had issues with battery life when running it at normal sampling rate? Anyone remembers whether there was a difference between before and after applying the patch?
This video actually inspired me to order one to play with. My stepmother had a Palm Centro back in the day, and I never got to play with PalmOS. Better late than never, I guess
Wow that low pass filter issue really made a huuuuge difference
Just found your channel. I like you. You explain things with the right amount of detail AND brevity. You are charismatic and hold my attention. Hats off to you, sir. May your blossom in subscribers!
Oh, and thanks for taking an entire evening away from me while I binge watch memories on your channel. I had one of the OG B&W models, only once I could grab one on the used market ;). Most uncomfortable stylus I have ever used! Thank you for bringing this back. Things were so much simpler back then. And companies did once listen to their consumers. . . Once upon a time.....
You honour me with your kind compliments, thank you. Really glad you are enjoying the channel!
The original firmware had the magical ability to turn all MP3s 32-64k sounding!
I guess it could be said that the DragonBall Processor didn't have enough power level to be useful anymore...
It would have been nice if they had released a better one and called it SuperDragonBall-
If ya overclocked it, you could say it was using kaioken xD
Honestly, I'm surprised that nobody made a DragonBall joke yet in the comments-
Amazing video regardless, just found your channel and am loving to discover more about pdas and some tech from the early 2000s, its amazing to see what they could already do on mobile despite it being so early on o.o
You're a pioneer-jester. Congrats hehe
If 7 of the DragonBall Processors just got together they could've just asked Shenron to make them more powerful to avoid being emulated and replaced.
Kamehameha!!!
I totally forgot about this architecture transition! Great video!
Thanks! I do think Palm should be commended for what they were able to achieve here.
I think that's the mark of a great hardware transition. The only people that notice and remember are the nerds that consider it in retrospect, long after it happened, and not because of the impact it made.
Hey Janus, I used to love playing around on my mums old palm tungesten t as a kid a few years back. I never knew it had an arm cpu, or that interesting audio filter thingo. Thanks for another great video! 😄
I'm pleased you are getting a kick out of the channel :)
This is now my new favorite old tech channel. I'm subbing.
cool :)
You know with all the data gathering going on one of these could be of use these days
I had the Tungsten. It was neat for a Palm since it was so much faster and could do so much more. Very well built. But the problem is that it was segmented in this catch-up mode with its competitors for the high-tech features. If you really were satisfied with old Palm programs you really did not need this more expensive PDA. And if you wanted more in terms of multimedia, this was far from the most competitive. As it was mentioned here, the video playback was just meh, and the wifi version I had was way too crazy slow for non-WAP HTML sites. In the end, those who itched to do modern post-2000 activities on a handheld device were left not too happy with the Tungsten. And of course, the late solution for Palm was the eventual development of what became the Palm Pre, which by then the ship had sailed for competitive marketplace.
It was an odd time for Palm. Sony were advancing their handhelds with hardware supported multimedia features using Palm OS4.
While Palm were focused on developing Palm OS5 for multimedia. Yet still releasing PDAs with only basic functionality. It's really odd.
Mate, that mod player music really brought good old childhood memories! ❤
I honestly didn't hear anything wrong with the MP3 you were playing initially, until I heard how it sounded AFTER the update... Wow!
Really cool travelling shot at the end ! I didn't know about the voice filter implemented.
Thank you. I really like Palm devices and Palm OS. I have a Tungsten T5 now that I'm exploring for a future video.
@@JanusCycle I'm eager to see this ! Keep on going !
Tungsten T was one of my favourite, I loved the form factor quite a lot, It fits in my jeans front pocket. Metal housing and great build quality
Another great video. I could binge watch these for hours!
I appreciate hearing that, thank you.
I got my hands on a phone that can run windows like the lumia you've shown, it's actually working very well, gpu support and all ! I find windows on arm very interesting, microsoft's x86 emulation is impressive
I agree, Windows runs surprisingly well on the Lumia for what it is, a phone from 2015. I really enjoy having Windows 11 on such a small device.
Heyyyy, a new video 👍
Love the Bush Ticket Man !
I've got all the episodes 😆
I recently watched through the series again after many years, really good stuff.
I believe you must hold the voice memo button down and it should start recording until released, it’s been a while though so idk.
The only applications that don’t work well with the emulation wrote directly to hardware instead of Palm’s api.
If you ask me, the reason Windows Mobile failed to transition to WP7 from WM 6.5 was the lack of a compatibility layer. Palm even made that misstep with WebOS, it was a walled off emulator you had to buy.
If you want a good experience of later models I’d suggest the Zire 72s and the TX and maybe also the Tungsten T3.
Thanks for the voice record button tip. I was wondering about that. I didn’t know that detail about WebOS legacy compatibility. Seems like quite a misstep. I do want to try a TX for the deluxe Palm OS 5 experience.
@@JanusCycle Yep and if you want a top notch palm device the LifeDrive is also an option, its main storage is a 4 gb Microdrive but you can replace it with a CF card and one bigger than it came with.
@@Sb129 I do want a LifeDrive. The catch would be that I like Microdrives so much now, that I would keep it running with one just to hear it working inside.
@@JanusCycle True, I do have another one "stock" with the Microdrive still in it.
Looking back i really wished i had one of these back in the 2000s when i think of palm i think about the ones from the 90s that only ran basic office programs but being able to do some of the things on here like playing videos and music would have made things a lot less boring for me i school and while traveling.
hi janus, you have incredible will to continue for making this kind of videos (that makes me very happy ) exact same area of interest (mobile devices, hacking them, forcing them to do another task which they cant do default) i really feel myself in my confortzone, this videos lowering my anxiety. i hope you become something, something good, rich etc.
I'm glad you are enjoying these videos. Thanks for sharing your interest in them.
I was early on Palm and still have my old Tungsten T in a drawer. Fantastic device.
I never get tired of watching your videos!
Wait a minute? Razor 1911 vibes?
Thank you! The Red Sector Megademo, still one of my favourites :)
I have two Tungsten T's and a T2. Great stuff. Even have the 56K modem attachment.
I love watching Les Hiddins. Since I live in the USA I had a lot of episodes to watch then add Rob Bredl and Malcom Douglas into the mix. I had plenty to watch and watch again like I do to this day.
Every few years I enjoy a re-watch of some Bush Tucker Man episodes, great stuff :)
to say that what palm pulled off is impressive is but a mere understatement.
I loved my Tungsten T back in the day. RIP Palm
I don't have anything interesting to say but here's some engagement. Always a great video.
Letting me know you enjoyed this is always worthwhile, thanks.
honestly. the palm dragonball emulation is really good. I've rarely encountered any problems with it on my Palm TX
I agree. I have also learned the emulation was so good that developers kept making apps with mostly Dragonball code in them well into the OS 5 era.
I really love your videos. And you deliver every info in such a relaxing way.
I'm glad your're enjoying, thanks for letting me know.
Love the choice of song... bush tucker man les. Australia is Awesome
Yep, Bush Tucker Man is still worth a re-watch even today!
@@JanusCycle 100% Agree. top notch show top notch man.
A friend had a Palm Zire 71 with the same CPU, which was good enough for playable Sega Genesis emulation. It was quite a shock for me to see the original Sonic The Hedgehog running on a pocketable device!
I have a Zire 71 as well, i'mma update you when I get a charger and a new battery
I literally don't think I've thought of the Bush Tucker Man since the 90s. Good o'l Major Les.
Top bloke that Les.
With Ask The Leyland Brothers & Harry Butler all gone bush Les definitely dominated the charts
I'm glad I found this channel. Very impressive analysis. I'm my personal opinion, even though Palm did no invented mobile devices like these, I'm very sure their influence was very strong for modern devices. Is sad to see how it all ended :(
The only problem i had wiyh my tungsten t3 is the multitasking capability.... 2004 device where you can't have a simultaneously apps running .. and of course the famously known "fatal error" message .. sometimes even with native/intergrated system apps crashing ... but over all it was a great device
Palm could of Ruled the world... Could Palm be modernized with current hardware and a more updated and capable OS beyond even their WebOS? Would love to see their founders or other visionaries move with something new in the world of Android and IOS.
You have have a link to that plasma PRC download? cant seem to find it on palmdb unless im blind haha, looks neat.
Great vid!
Have a look on pouet dot net and search for plasma!
I love your channel. Nice old tech. :D
Thank you
Nice video, thanks for sharing it :)
Glad you enjoyed :)
I m indonesian but still watch the old phone like that..nice job bro.
I'm glad you enjoyed
Some games actually access the screen in a similar way to that demo, I can only assume it's some sort of framebuffer issue, Nebulous and Serious Sam show the same dual display in gameplay, but their menus are fine.
Some great suggestions, thanks! I'll be trying these out.
Super interesting, your videos!
Of course, Apple also transitioned from the Motorola 68k to a RISC CPU by building an emulator into the operating system, though it was the PowerPC instead of ARM.
Given Apple's involvement with ARM at the time (because of the Newton), there's an alternate reality in which Apple chose ARM to replace the 68k instead of PowerPC. Instead it took them another 20 years and two extra transitions to get there.
(For what it's worth, ARM based Mac systems are 64-bit only, and 64-bit ARM is very different from 32-bit ARM)
if it werent for palm we wouldnt have smartphone
I agree, modern phones owe their UI design to Palm.
Can you imagine what palm os smartphones would look like today if they kept going. It would be like android but completely different. Almost want to dedicate my life to this even though it would be impossible
The degree that Palm went to avoiding making a touch screen phone at the time was kinda odd. Something I want to look into in the future.
@@JanusCycle prob sealed their fate
Just added an Tungsten E to my collection (it's all your fault lol!) - main reason was for MP3 playback and amusement on mini breaks away from work etc As it's two models behind the T do you know if it too was affected by the same filtering issue? Also, I can't seem to find a decent 'Palm Timeline'? There's the Wikipedia list but you have to go into each model to get the date. Perhaps we need a Palm version of 'GSM Arena' :) :)
I did notice this as well that the timeline is not always clear.
Can you tell me what that battery option in the preference panel is? I converted one of my Palm 3xe to lithium batteries, but the OS battery level indicator is tuned to normal AAAs, and has no idea about the lithium cell. Thank you! Love your videos 😁
It's probably this palmdb.net/app/battery-prefs
Good site for Palm apps.
Awesome tune on the demo. Sounds like SWIV. Dude - you didn’t demo Raging Thunder gameplay. What is the framerate like?
I think I remember trying it, I believe I would describe the framerate as 'not smooth'
My Treo650 does AR great with very good sounding ringtones but the wi-fi SD card just will not mount so thats really something a great video -+ RED SEKTOR +-
Ahh the Treo 650. The pinnacle of pre-iPhone smartphones.
Man, this video has a sick tune in the title card, but I couldn't figure out what that song is. Can anyone help me with that plase?
Edit: nevermind, I found it a while ago apparently. Nice amiga tune.
Could you try to give the palm tungsten a capacitive touchscreen? Not like the pres
Due to my work I often come across old business related technology. Things like mobile phones, tablets, toughbooks and PDAs that get forgotten about in the bottom drawer of a desk or collected up and stored at the back of the highest shelf in the office store room when a company issues its staff with new tech. Since owning a Treo 750, I've had an interest in Palm products and I was excited to find a m515 and just recently a Tungsten T3. Finding detailed information on old devices like these is often difficult, so it's always a pleasure to watch a video focusing on these handhelds that offers some of the history and reasoning behind the design and not just a retrospective review of the product and it's functions.
Nice device, i had TX at the time, great memories. It was smart enough to remember and instantly open last open app. Only bad thing it wasn't any waterproof even too light rain. Can be killed with few drops, same easy as it's predecessors.
You should do a video on Japanese phones from the early to mid 2000s if you can get your hands on them. I heard they were on a similar level to PDAs.
I have a couple of Japanese phones. But nothing too involved. I love weird Japanese exclusive gadgets. They are like stepping into an alternate universe of tech.
@@JanusCycle yes the Japanese call it the Galapagos syndrome it's not as prevalent today as it once was. Also the phones from that era were mainly flip phones making them more uniform compared to phones from other countries, I also think their designs hold up a lot better. They had a lot of advanced features like GPS, Internet and even wireless payment way before anyone else. I haven't seen many people who've made in depth reviews of these phones I think that would make a interesting video, one of my favorites from that period is the Infobar phone from 2003.
palm is just the best
nice
will you be covering the flood of win8.1/win10 tablets someday?
Windows 8.1 will be ten years old next year! I do have a Windows 8 or 8.1 tablet, but I got it with no battery. I'd like to get it up and running one day. Windows 10 tablets may take a while to become 'old' and find their way to me.
I do have a cheap Windows 10 tablet that I bought new. I used it in my Windows 11 computer video to install onto the Lumia. It's weird because there are no drivers made available and no mention of how to reinstall Windows. I'm not very comfortable with these new ways technology works.
yooooo i love that anime
damn this is fucking entrtaining
Um, Apple did ARM processors long before this with the Newton handheld going back to 1993. Not sure what you mean “before Apple”.
I meant before Apple transitioned Mac OS to ARM in 2020, Palm transitioned their OS to ARM :)
Uniq style and aplication
Which is better tungsten t2 or t3?
t3 was a much better model. In place of a 320x320 screen, you get a 320 x 480 when you extend the unit. The graffiti area on the button is "virtually" on the t3 (they used the screen). So, graffiti could be hidden, and you write directly anywhere on the screen. Or you could go old school, and have the screen bring up on the bottom the classic graffiti writing area. When you did/do that, then you back to a 320x320 screen.
The other advantage is that t3 had great support for "landscape" mode. I mean, flip the t3 horizonal, and in extended mode, you would have a 480x320 screen - and it was able to do a remarkable job of say displaying a spreadsheet.
And also I used to watch movies and shows all the time. I had a PVR, and it could write to a dvd-rw. So, I would record say a week worth of shows, write them out to that dvd-rw. I then popped the dvd into my PC, and converted the video's to a lower screen res, and frame rate (15 fps). I then transferred all the shows to a SD card, and voilà! - a week worth of shows to watch on my T3. And in full mode (480x320), you had quite a large screen by that time frame standards.
I had OFTEN stated that when they introduced their phones, I wanted a T3 as a phone with the screen. But, apple did that!!! And at that time Blackberry was oh so popular, so their phone models had keyboards. (I wanted a unit without keyboard - like the T3).
but, the T3 in many ways was ahead of its time. A larger format pda, all touched based, and a screen that extends when you open/slide the device open. And sliding the device to extended is how mine was setup to "turn on".
I used that T3 for a about 7-9 years. In fact after 5 years of hard use, a friend of mine who bought one at the same time gave me his unit (hardly used much - not like I beat the unit I had to death). so, with that near new palm, I carried on for about 4 more years!!!
I miss that device, but I was watching shows and movies on that thing long before smartphones + say this youtube video stuff came along!!!
Where the hell is goku
He's on a different planet at the time.
oh god the speakers remind me of the video now flip device. so fucking crappy of a video player. they have specialized cds that were made to not be the same size as normal dvd/cds and the slightlest nudge makes them skip frames.
Dragonball ??
DRAGONBALL?!
The CPU was named after the character :)
😅 my smartphone have 128000MB
I have the same one in perfect condition, as well as many other models, I collect them
Nice, great to hear from a fellow Palm collector :)
Bush tucker man!
great guy!