This brings back memories, loved mine. Books I've read, movies watched, games played. Sony models were incredible, especially from the time when standard palm was still 160x160, sony doubled that.
Can you imagine if palm would of stayed competive and went into mobile phones palm was years ahead of its time I had a palm pilot back in the day it was extremely useful
@@IsmaelWensder he say palm would entry mobile phone market. but the company did (treo 650, treo 680, treo 700, treo 750, palm centro, palm pre), but the sales were not enough. look, the first iphone, was a basic product (no sms, bad stability, a few apps) except: gorila glass and capacitive screen. Android , too. Only from iphone 4 and android 4.4 , were good products. But Samsung and Apple resisted, because both companies have a lot of money than Palm.
@@batracio2 don't forget the pre, it was supposed to bring palm back into relevancy and some even said beat the iphone since it had a physical keyboard
I sure do miss these things. I was in highschool when I somehow got my hands on palm pilots and pocket PCs. I would buy broken ones and repair them. I love how much control you had with your device I loaded like an OS on a palm looks like XP you had to boot normally and run the OS like an app. If you didn't lose power it will always run. Also using offline maps and BT/audio jack made my car ride alot more enjoyable. No radio just my palms 😁. I still have bunch of these palms and PPC and the sony bizarre flip with a Japanese keyboard or did I give that to a Japanese friend? lol.
I have one of these, we used it as gps with a Michelin app, it wasn't the best, routing you through weird places but that's expected for the era. Thanks for the overview, I might revisit mine one day Edit: it's an E2 model, it has the square display and doesn't have wifi but it still works!
My grandpa had one and he gave it to me around 2009 and i had it until 2015 what great memories i just had it again i used to watch anime and listen to music
I loved using the Palm Pilot. I kept mine until it was practically impossible to maintain. The battery was a pain to replace. The technician I took it to said the rechargeable batteries were really not designed to be replaced. He did manage replace it, but it took a lot of work.
I started off within the world of handhelds with the Palm Pilot but then switched over to Win Ce devices. I've got 4 of those still sitting around operational, 2 are Compaq's, 1 Sharp and my trusty 2005 Samsung SCH I730 Mits (Mobile Intelligent Terminal) with the docking station and 2 functional batteries. Back in the day this thing did it all, even had the Microsoft GPS module, still do somewhere in a box. Back in 2005 GPS navigation on a handheld was a real game changer.
fun fact, i have one of these and used to play snes games on it, as well as watched tv shows on it. i also did the microphone mod. ps: it's still working fine!
I had a Palm TX back in 06. I remember commenting to a coworker that the only thing it really lacked was a camera and the ability to make phone calls! 😅
...and half decent WiFi, and an OS that lived up to the hardware's potential, and a future...don't get me wrong, I kept mine and used it daily till I finally got an iPhone in 2012, but if we're honest it wasn't good for all that much beyond reading in Plucker and a bit of light NES emulation now and again.
I love the way you appreciate these vintage devices and want to experience them first hand as well. The maximum size SD Card a stock T5 can use is 2Gb. But there is a third party driver by Dmitry.GR that can remove this limit. Each time I make a video, I then think about the stuff I didn't mention. This was today's thought.
@@JanusCycle Thanks Janus, I do have a 1GB SD card but also a 64GB SD card so will try the driver. Am I able to play videos from the SD card and what conversion program do you use or what is the best resolution for the T5?
@@Raptor50aus You can play video from the SD Card, 480p and 800kbps should work fine. Use older codecs, I don't think h264 will work. Better to use MPEG-4 or Xvid. I usually use Handbrake for general encoding, it's easy and good. But I couldn't be bothered working out how to add older codecs. So I used VirtualDub, harder to use but I'm used to it and it already had older codec options.
@@JanusCycle Thanks Janus, I have installed Doom with sound, the race car game and coreplayer regsistered. Where do I get that video with the matrix screen save from?
Had and still have a m125 and a Palm TX some time after which was quite similar to the T5, but it had Wi-Fi although it had slightly slower CPU (312MHz I think) and only 128MB of flash memory. I had to choose between the TX and the Lifedrive at the time (2007), but I chose the TX. Quite an amazing machine for the time though, I loved it. One big software limitation was to not support SDHC cards without a special paid driver. Another big drawback was the lack of a microphone and low RAM (heap memory) for some heavy applications like emulators. Thanks for the video. 👏👏👏
I used to "broadcatch" news streams embedded in websites and auto convert and sync them to my tungsten T3 every day. It was an amazing device. Truly the best palm ever made. You could chip your teeth on it!
I remember back at the time I was pretty confused about where the company and operating system was going. I didnt realise that Palm OS 5 was backwards compatible with our old palm software. I think the fact the system architecture changed definitly confused me. I cant really remember when I stopped using mine, but it probably was phased out as phones improved. It was only years later when I bought a T5 because I'm a dork, that i found it was compatible... D'oh
I worked at Palm (started right after they rebranded the hardware side, for a time, as PalmOne - all that when the split was done btw the OS (PalmSource, as your video states) and the hardware side) from 2003 to 2009. I was on the Treo side specifically, which was great…until it wasn’t. Yes Apple essentially killed the company, but it was truly also our own decisions of trying to save money on components and then delivering underpowered products that ended up having problems in the field. Ah well - live and learn.
i sold these back in the day. they were toys I could never afford beyond one base model when they released budget after a while that didn't work to for me. The tungsten was slick and I dreamed of owning one. i think in the end they got killed by smart phones they helped to make happen.
That is an impressive piece of device. I really loved Palm devices back then and I owned several. I was saddened when they discontinued... It's such a good mobile OS, just as Symbian OS was. Wish they would evolve instead and compete with the modern mobile OSes. I would probably use them instead of Android OS!
@@Unan1mouz I did replace the battery. The reason I use a Treo is that the battery is modular and I like the keyboard. I also have a Sony Clie SJ-22. I keep it plugged in so I can play with it when I feel like it. I do like the fact that replacing the battery on many Sony Clies is easy and doesn't require soldering. If my Treos all stopped working, I would try to find a battery for it. Maybe I should start looking, since it only figures to get harder over time.
Palm later went on to develop probably the best phone operating system (at the time) years later, WebOS. It was at least a decade ahead on features vs Android and iOS. Unfortunately it was too late to the party, and support wasnt there, then HP bought it and killed the whole thing. Was such a waste and a shame. I'm glad I can say the first ever smartphone I had was a Palm Pre, as I grew up playing and messing with a second hand Palm Zire 71 PDA I got at a garage sale. I was already a loyal Palm user, and loved my Palm Pre. Wish Palm was still in the game today, as my phone Im sure would still be a Palm.
I had also a Pre and I’m not sure if webOS was really too late because it was really great but the hardware of the pre was just cheap plastic trash. Then the newer and better constructed versions came to late where they can’t used their starting support of old customers.
@@mickeymaus1 webOS wasnt quite out when iOS and Android where already in full swing and had the 3rd party app developers. Yeah the hardware was cheaper, but most phones back then were like that like the Samsung Galaxy line was all cheap plastic, and theyre still around. The webOS platform just didnt stick, even if it was superior to the others, similar like what happened to Windows Phone.
@@VazDraeStudios hmm by my opinion and the results of tech reviews back then the pre was really cheap in quality related to other devices… further in full swing? But not decided - it was the time when the first Samsung S series came out and blackberry was also still a thing
Ahh, I remember my T5 well - had a T, a Vx and a III before that. Core Player was a great app. It's a real shame no Bluetooth drivers on the Linux port.
The TX doesn't have a soft home button (annoying!) But the list of recently used apps you mentioned only appears after holding the home button for a second or two. It does pop up quickly on your video, my guess is that the overlooking is causing it to pop up sooner than expected....or the T5 just pops it quicker, palm devices can be weird like that.
Additionally you can turn off the newer 'Application Launcher' in the Prefs app, so each time you hit home, you get the classic launcher. If you couldn't already tell, I LOVED this video and your 'Dystopian Hacker Collective' presentation style.
That's really useful to know, thank you! I think because I was running graphics demo software that could have introduced a weird lag and detected as a long click.
Another great thing to learn about how Palm OS 5.2 - 5.4 works, thanks for the heads up. I really enjoy learning the deeper aspects of technology, but sometimes miss the obvious stuff. Which hopefully enhances the style. I really appreciate your compliment, thank you.
Dear sir a couple of questions for you... Have you seen the Sidekick Series phones? My favorite design is the Sharp PV250A that uses the so called DangerOS... Is there something interesting to play or modify with this operating system? I you by any chance find out something worth of a video, it would be very satisfying indeed...
I had and still have the Palm TX, which I had naturally assumed was the most powerful since it was the last one, weird that they chose to downgrade the processor speed in between the two models, though I'm sure the difference is not noticeable.
Hi, I can not find a good deal for a T5 so I am thinking on getting a TX since it has the same processor than the T5 so maybe it is possible to overclock it the same way or a Life Drive but please let me know which one you recommend besides the T5 and which other one is good to do the overclock thing. Bests regards from a Venezuelan follower in Panama!
TX is a great model, just as overclockable as the T5, plus TX also has WiFi built in. I'm saying the T5 is faster in theory because the CPU is not also running the WiFi. In practice I don't think you will notice a difference, without doing a benchmark and seeing tiny differences. LifeDrive is nice but has a mechanical hard drive. These can break down.
@@JanusCycle thanks for answering. I found a good deal for a Lifedrive with new battery and upgraded memory to a 16gb compact flash, is that overcloakable? What do you think about this one?
Palm ruled the world at one time. They like so many before and after killed themselves and lost their market when they didn't move fast enough with the times - and when the company became too top heavy, spent to much for a new cooperate building, split the OS from the hardware, tried to re-join the OS to the hardware, then sold the OS to a china company, then went in bed with Sprint with WebOS and bought by HP. Palm could of been the iPhone of the future if they kept their vision in focus for the company. Sad.
It is surprising that they are not making modern pda devices, yeah we have our phone but having a device that just manages your life sounds interesting.
I would argue the Palm Lifedrive is the fastest Palm. Same CPU speed as the T5 but with all the features of the TX. I have a hard time choosing between my TX and my LifeDrive as my favorite Palm to use. My T5 was always in third place no doubt. The display on the TX is easily the best official Palm LCD Screen.
For fun, I'm going to speculate that the LifeDrive with it's extra functions of WiFi and CF interface may take ever so slightly more CPU time to administer, making the T5 slightly faster in raw performance :) But I do think your claim is valid for the LifeDrive being a better Palm model. I've never seen a TX screen, it's really interesting that you say the screen is better. I want to see one now. I do own a LifeDrive though. Thanks for your comment, really enjoyed it.
Palm came so close with their original design philosophies. Before getting off track any copying other designs instead of sticking with their own direction. Apple then came in using Palm's original philosophies to make the iphone.
I agree. It's also weird they brought out the Tungsten W. Put a keyboard on it, instead of a full touch screen, and it could only make calls when a headset was plugged in! What were they thinking.
How hard would it have been to add a speaker, a microphone, radio, and phone application? If they just made it a smartphone they would be around still. The iPhone wouldn't have been such a big hit.
Palm did start making phones called Treo. But they had a smaller screen and a full keyboard. Steve Jobs showed one on screen when launching the first iPhone. As an example of how not to make a smartphone. If only Palm had realised this at the time.
@Janus Cycle Indeed. I loved my t3 and at that time I stated if palm comes out with a t3 form factor as t3 + phone without keyboard, I'll buy one! However the big side show and view by business community was blackberries - they made keyboards a must have feature. And in fact most thought iPhone without keyboard was a huge mistake. They were all to be proven wrong! But the public had to learn that while dedicated keyboards are better, a touch screen was "ok", but larger screen space with touch allows more screen space to actually browse and also display documents better. Few realized that extra screen space was more valuable. Jobs was one who did and went against what everyone thought was the winning setup - that setup was the blackberry setup with keyboard. Regardless, the palm t line were amazing products and I used palms for 10 years- I miss them and only now do I feel my android phones match that palm user experience 13 years ago!
They built the Treo for the business market. The consumer market had its eggs in the basket for what became known as WebOS. It flopped because it shipped the same time the Android world would start to sell in cataclysmic levels with the Droid. If only it shipped a year earlier fully ready history may have turned out different.
The Treo series of Palm smartphones were very popular at the time. The only more popular brand was Blackberry, due to companies preferring them for their employees. For the consumer, Palm Treos were king. I still have one that I use daily as a PDA. The screen is tiny by today's standards, but I love the keyboard.
Admittedly, Apple iPhones killed off not only Treo's but also Palm devices and the company, but until they were launched, Palm Treo's were the best, and had some advantages over iPhones. I still prefer keyboards plus stylus touch screens.
Come on. How is this man not getting a minimum of 10k views ? The production quality is beautiful and the content while niche is interesting. Janus i hope some day you get the views your channel deserves. Keep up the good work. Someone from Kenya appreciates it !
Любителей таких классных устройства, к сожалению, было не очень много. Это были бизнесмены или гики. И в то время как любой смартфон умеет в разы больше, никого не интересует подобная ретро электроника! А зря!
The algorithm HATES us . That's why . Especially cause information and quality videos getting hidden . My channel should at least get 1k views per video .(looking at way less edited and sadly boring videos about the same topic getting way more I wonder what I did to get the algorithm hate me ) Maybe it's cause of some critical comments and posts about politics ? Absolutely possible . I shouldn't have used this account to create the channel after I already had for 3 years
Great video, brings back so many memories from my IIIc. It‘s a shame how Palm disappeared, although they temporarily were far ahead of the competition. Palm was truly a „personal digital assistant“ rather than just a „smart phone“. Appreciate your work, thanks from Germany!
I spent a few months saving every single dollar I made at my first job back in 2003 to save up for a Palm Zire 71. Managed to finally buy it at $599 from Dick Smiths. Yes, it was expensive, but I used that little device every single day for a few years. It was an absolutely wonderful little device that worked so well (although it did develop the horrible internal ribbon cable fault which prevented wired hotsyncing, but still charged). I still have it, but it is in storage in a box with a few other Palm PDA's. I long to get it and mess around with it again some day!
@@billsmini10 the Zire 72 was a really nice improvement over the 71. I was quite jealous it could boot Linux! At the time the 71 couldn't do that, and I was going through a 'put Linux on everything' phase...
Thanks for the great review, the Tungsten was a great device considering it's age, the screen is pretty and the processor is quite fast. I specially like the buttons on the device, I wish modern cell phone and tablet to re-introduce them !
I have an old Olympus player, MR-500, that also runs opie, but unfortunately the processor is way too slow to drive that vga screen, barely can run anything.
The music in your videos is kind of scary lol. Well, I find it to be. Otherwise, love the videos. I used to be a PDA fanatic when I was young. I had a Sony Clié device, forgot the model number. I remember buying Memory Sticks for that thing so I could load mp3s for school bus rides. I also had a Palm Zire at some point; I believe that was my first PDA. I eventually moved to Windows Mobile with an HP iPaq something or another (it had WiFi which was amazing at the time). I love these things. Keep up the vids!
Sony Clié's are really cool. I hope to make a video soon on this topic. Music has become more chill in recent videos. I might have been needing to work through some stuff at the time.
@@JanusCycle Thanks Janus! I remember there was some old PDAs with a removable cellular card to make it function as a phone. Hoping you can review one of those soon. Thanks for the reviews! I miss my Palm.
The closest I got to a premium palm device was a tapwave zodiac. But I added a portable keyboard and an SD wifi card and that thing was an awesome capable mini device.
The Palm LifeDrive also ran at the same speed, but it was packed loaded full of every feature they could fit into a PDA back then, and today its extremely upgradable
I really want to buy a brand new tungsten, but I could not find it. I have a m515, m505, tx, but used. I love palms and I think I have downloaded all the apps from thousands of forums. Nostalgia maybe
Fun fact: This Palm PDA runs at a higher default clock speed than the PS Vita from 2012, which runs at 333MHz with Wifi turned on and 444MHz with it turned off, but the Vita's ARM Cortex-A9 CPU was heavily underclocked by Sony from its maximum speed of 2GHz to improve battery life and thermal performance, so technically the CPU on the Palm T5 is faster than the one on the PS Vita* And even faster with overclocking. *With networking enabled and default clock speed settings on the vita. also, other components such as the GPU and RAM make a greater difference in performance, making the PS Vita obviously the faster machine overall.
I do have some Palm OS videos coming. The next one will be a greyscale LCD Palm model with older OS, so less capable for games. But this will lead into further videos with lots more games.
The fact that the Google Map still working amazed me since I just saw a video of Android 1 lately with its map no longer working.
Google probably cancelled the department in charge of cancelling archaic programs and departments.
@@lephtovermeet lmfao maybe true
This brings back memories, loved mine.
Books I've read, movies watched, games played.
Sony models were incredible, especially from the time when standard palm was still 160x160, sony doubled that.
I still have my Clie Peg-SJ22 color. I loved the scroll wheel on the side! The ergonomics were brilliant. It feels so good in the hand.
Can you imagine if palm would of stayed competive and went into mobile phones palm was years ahead of its time I had a palm pilot back in the day it was extremely useful
and palm treo 650, 680, 750, centro??.
@@batracio2 Yes, as many other brands, Palm was lost in the past, so iPhone and Android came out and killed it.
@@IsmaelWensder he say palm would entry mobile phone market. but the company did (treo 650, treo 680, treo 700, treo 750, palm centro, palm pre), but the sales were not enough.
look, the first iphone, was a basic product (no sms, bad stability, a few apps) except: gorila glass and capacitive screen. Android , too. Only from iphone 4 and android 4.4 , were good products. But Samsung and Apple resisted, because both companies have a lot of money than Palm.
Palm, Blackberry... so cursed by theirs CEO
@@batracio2 don't forget the pre, it was supposed to bring palm back into relevancy and some even said beat the iphone since it had a physical keyboard
Please never stop making these. I love it
These stories will continue for as long as we have the breath to tell them
After finding you, this is my favorite channel right now, love the content. You will be huge one day soon
another "hidden gem" of a video! I love your channel!
Thank you, I'm glad there are hidden gems to be found :)
You plan on making a Symbian retrospective too? I've had fun messing around with them back in the day but it turned out to be a pain in retrospect.
Of course! depends on the devices I can get, maybe several videos
I sure do miss these things. I was in highschool when I somehow got my hands on palm pilots and pocket PCs. I would buy broken ones and repair them. I love how much control you had with your device I loaded like an OS on a palm looks like XP you had to boot normally and run the OS like an app. If you didn't lose power it will always run. Also using offline maps and BT/audio jack made my car ride alot more enjoyable. No radio just my palms 😁. I still have bunch of these palms and PPC and the sony bizarre flip with a Japanese keyboard or did I give that to a Japanese friend? lol.
I have one of these, we used it as gps with a Michelin app, it wasn't the best, routing you through weird places but that's expected for the era. Thanks for the overview, I might revisit mine one day
Edit: it's an E2 model, it has the square display and doesn't have wifi but it still works!
My grandpa had one and he gave it to me around 2009 and i had it until 2015
what great memories i just had it again i used to watch anime and listen to music
This was a truly great upload for happy Palm memories 👍👍
I was impressed with this device I wish I had one when it was new. I used to use a palm to listen to music I forgot all about that until I saw this.
I loved using the Palm Pilot.
I kept mine until it was practically impossible to maintain.
The battery was a pain to replace. The technician I took it to said the rechargeable batteries were really not designed to be replaced. He did manage replace it, but it took a lot of work.
I'm glad you got maximum use from your Palm.
I started off within the world of handhelds with the Palm Pilot but then switched over to Win Ce devices. I've got 4 of those still sitting around operational, 2 are Compaq's, 1 Sharp and my trusty 2005 Samsung SCH I730 Mits (Mobile Intelligent Terminal) with the docking station and 2 functional batteries. Back in the day this thing did it all, even had the Microsoft GPS module, still do somewhere in a box. Back in 2005 GPS navigation on a handheld was a real game changer.
Win CE devices are something I want to try more of. I do have a few models that I want to get working one day.
Never experienced but Experienced by You
Awesome technology
I remember overclocking my TX back in the days and playing Amiga (with some frameskip or nosound) , megadrive and c64 games
fun fact, i have one of these and used to play snes games on it, as well as watched tv shows on it. i also did the microphone mod. ps: it's still working fine!
I've never heard of the microphone mod. I'm glad it's still working!
I had a Palm TX back in 06. I remember commenting to a coworker that the only thing it really lacked was a camera and the ability to make phone calls! 😅
...and half decent WiFi, and an OS that lived up to the hardware's potential, and a future...don't get me wrong, I kept mine and used it daily till I finally got an iPhone in 2012, but if we're honest it wasn't good for all that much beyond reading in Plucker and a bit of light NES emulation now and again.
Thanks Janus for another informative video. I climbed Uluru back in 1985. Just ordered a new in box T5 too :)
I love the way you appreciate these vintage devices and want to experience them first hand as well.
The maximum size SD Card a stock T5 can use is 2Gb. But there is a third party driver by Dmitry.GR that can remove this limit. Each time I make a video, I then think about the stuff I didn't mention. This was today's thought.
@@JanusCycle Thanks Janus, I do have a 1GB SD card but also a 64GB SD card so will try the driver. Am I able to play videos from the SD card and what conversion program do you use or what is the best resolution for the T5?
@@Raptor50aus You can play video from the SD Card, 480p and 800kbps should work fine. Use older codecs, I don't think h264 will work. Better to use MPEG-4 or Xvid.
I usually use Handbrake for general encoding, it's easy and good. But I couldn't be bothered working out how to add older codecs. So I used VirtualDub, harder to use but I'm used to it and it already had older codec options.
@@JanusCycle Thanks Janus, I have installed Doom with sound, the race car game and coreplayer regsistered. Where do I get that video with the matrix screen save from?
@@Raptor50aus if you google 'matrix screensaver palm os' you should find it. It's an actual screensaver for Palm!
I worked for Palm and later Handspring back in the day as the Canadian merchandising manager. I still have quite a collection of units
Have you seen palm os 6.0 Cobalt in person?
@@PnevmoSlon-wu1fs no I have not.
I wish I could find an orange handspring deluxe! they are like unicorns lol
wow that was some real good music near the end there wow!! synth for the win.
Red Sector Amiga MegaDemo music, a great track
Had and still have a m125 and a Palm TX some time after which was quite similar to the T5, but it had Wi-Fi although it had slightly slower CPU (312MHz I think) and only 128MB of flash memory. I had to choose between the TX and the Lifedrive at the time (2007), but I chose the TX.
Quite an amazing machine for the time though, I loved it. One big software limitation was to not support SDHC cards without a special paid driver. Another big drawback was the lack of a microphone and low RAM (heap memory) for some heavy applications like emulators.
Thanks for the video. 👏👏👏
Loved the intro and the music,very good job
I used to "broadcatch" news streams embedded in websites and auto convert and sync them to my tungsten T3 every day. It was an amazing device. Truly the best palm ever made. You could chip your teeth on it!
I miss the tungsten t5 ! I had one from 07 to 09 ! Wish it didn't get lost in life
That thing ruled 2004.
I remember back at the time I was pretty confused about where the company and operating system was going. I didnt realise that Palm OS 5 was backwards compatible with our old palm software. I think the fact the system architecture changed definitly confused me. I cant really remember when I stopped using mine, but it probably was phased out as phones improved. It was only years later when I bought a T5 because I'm a dork, that i found it was compatible... D'oh
I remember looking at computing catalogues in middle school and really wanting one of these. I thought they were the coolest things in the world!
We really need a Palm OS revival, need some simplicity in my handhelds again.
Tbh, webos or even iOS is much more simple then palmOS was and I loved my T3.
palm PDA's are nice but i never owned one in my life but i saw them rarely but it's always a great day when a new video is added
It's fun to go back and look at what they could do. I'm glad you are enjoying these videos.
The audio in all your videos is very high quality.
Thank you, I try very hard to make it better.
It was a dream to use I loved mine and then got a Centro phone which was awesome as well
I worked at Palm (started right after they rebranded the hardware side, for a time, as PalmOne - all that when the split was done btw the OS (PalmSource, as your video states) and the hardware side) from 2003 to 2009. I was on the Treo side specifically, which was great…until it wasn’t. Yes Apple essentially killed the company, but it was truly also our own decisions of trying to save money on components and then delivering underpowered products that ended up having problems in the field. Ah well - live and learn.
I loved my Treo’s. I had a 600, 650, 700p, and then a 700w. I kind of miss the simpler times.
PalmOS was clearly outdated. webOS then was really great but the hardware of the pre… that killed them at least
I use to be use T, TX and C. Very device great that time
Nice old technology device 👍
i sold these back in the day. they were toys I could never afford beyond one base model when they released budget after a while that didn't work to for me. The tungsten was slick and I dreamed of owning one. i think in the end they got killed by smart phones they helped to make happen.
That is an impressive piece of device. I really loved Palm devices back then and I owned several. I was saddened when they discontinued... It's such a good mobile OS, just as Symbian OS was. Wish they would evolve instead and compete with the modern mobile OSes. I would probably use them instead of Android OS!
Me too. I still carry and use my Palm Treo daily, but as a PDA. I use my Android for phone calls.
@@someguy2135 Is the battery still fine? Or did you replace it?
@@Unan1mouz I did replace the battery. The reason I use a Treo is that the battery is modular and I like the keyboard. I also have a Sony Clie SJ-22. I keep it plugged in so I can play with it when I feel like it. I do like the fact that replacing the battery on many Sony Clies is easy and doesn't require soldering. If my Treos all stopped working, I would try to find a battery for it. Maybe I should start looking, since it only figures to get harder over time.
I used to use my Sprint 3g flip phone and Bluetooth dun to get online with the t5
Amazing
Palm later went on to develop probably the best phone operating system (at the time) years later, WebOS. It was at least a decade ahead on features vs Android and iOS. Unfortunately it was too late to the party, and support wasnt there, then HP bought it and killed the whole thing. Was such a waste and a shame. I'm glad I can say the first ever smartphone I had was a Palm Pre, as I grew up playing and messing with a second hand Palm Zire 71 PDA I got at a garage sale. I was already a loyal Palm user, and loved my Palm Pre. Wish Palm was still in the game today, as my phone Im sure would still be a Palm.
Palm certainly knew what they were doing. iOS and Android owe a lot to their pioneering efforts.
I had also a Pre and I’m not sure if webOS was really too late because it was really great but the hardware of the pre was just cheap plastic trash. Then the newer and better constructed versions came to late where they can’t used their starting support of old customers.
@@mickeymaus1 webOS wasnt quite out when iOS and Android where already in full swing and had the 3rd party app developers. Yeah the hardware was cheaper, but most phones back then were like that like the Samsung Galaxy line was all cheap plastic, and theyre still around. The webOS platform just didnt stick, even if it was superior to the others, similar like what happened to Windows Phone.
@@VazDraeStudios hmm by my opinion and the results of tech reviews back then the pre was really cheap in quality related to other devices… further in full swing? But not decided - it was the time when the first Samsung S series came out and blackberry was also still a thing
Ahh, I remember my T5 well - had a T, a Vx and a III before that. Core Player was a great app. It's a real shame no Bluetooth drivers on the Linux port.
can you do a teardown please??
The TX doesn't have a soft home button (annoying!) But the list of recently used apps you mentioned only appears after holding the home button for a second or two. It does pop up quickly on your video, my guess is that the overlooking is causing it to pop up sooner than expected....or the T5 just pops it quicker, palm devices can be weird like that.
Additionally you can turn off the newer 'Application Launcher' in the Prefs app, so each time you hit home, you get the classic launcher. If you couldn't already tell, I LOVED this video and your 'Dystopian Hacker Collective' presentation style.
That's really useful to know, thank you! I think because I was running graphics demo software that could have introduced a weird lag and detected as a long click.
Another great thing to learn about how Palm OS 5.2 - 5.4 works, thanks for the heads up.
I really enjoy learning the deeper aspects of technology, but sometimes miss the obvious stuff. Which hopefully enhances the style. I really appreciate your compliment, thank you.
Dear sir a couple of questions for you... Have you seen the Sidekick Series phones? My favorite design is the Sharp PV250A that uses the so called DangerOS... Is there something interesting to play or modify with this operating system? I you by any chance find out something worth of a video, it would be very satisfying indeed...
I remember someone showing me a Sidekick many years ago, I hope to find one for myself one day.
I had and still have the Palm TX, which I had naturally assumed was the most powerful since it was the last one, weird that they chose to downgrade the processor speed in between the two models, though I'm sure the difference is not noticeable.
It was possibly to increase battery life and I agree that speed difference would not have been noticeable in daily use.
I want to go back 🔙
Love the information included in this video, but the music is WAY over the top relative to the content.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed this. I have learned to better integrate music in videos since then.
Love these
nice
Still got my Palm TX somewhere in the house. The battery is dead. I can only use it with the power cord. I just hated to sync it to my pc.
I must find where to get one of these
i wonder how would look T5 with an oled display like gameboy color with oled mod.
Stunning!
Hi, I can not find a good deal for a T5 so I am thinking on getting a TX since it has the same processor than the T5 so maybe it is possible to overclock it the same way or a Life Drive but please let me know which one you recommend besides the T5 and which other one is good to do the overclock thing. Bests regards from a Venezuelan follower in Panama!
TX is a great model, just as overclockable as the T5, plus TX also has WiFi built in. I'm saying the T5 is faster in theory because the CPU is not also running the WiFi.
In practice I don't think you will notice a difference, without doing a benchmark and seeing tiny differences.
LifeDrive is nice but has a mechanical hard drive. These can break down.
@@JanusCycle thanks for answering. I found a good deal for a Lifedrive with new battery and upgraded memory to a 16gb compact flash, is that overcloakable? What do you think about this one?
whats the video intros name?
Animatrix?
I love these videos. I wish we called modern smartphones “palm top computers” it sounds way cooler
do you still have it
we want the bios
palm60-en-t3.rom
I don't have this rom. I do check the Palm subreddit hoping that it will become available one day.
Palm ruled the world at one time. They like so many before and after killed themselves and lost their market when they didn't move fast enough with the times - and when the company became too top heavy, spent to much for a new cooperate building, split the OS from the hardware, tried to re-join the OS to the hardware, then sold the OS to a china company, then went in bed with Sprint with WebOS and bought by HP. Palm could of been the iPhone of the future if they kept their vision in focus for the company. Sad.
Ya is uniq phone and application 👍😊
Awesome 😎
It is surprising that they are not making modern pda devices, yeah we have our phone but having a device that just manages your life sounds interesting.
That's what the ipod touch was, leveraging everything of the iphone but with no carrier service, just wifi.
@@oldtwinsna8347 this is true, I am mostly after the software on these pda devices.
could you make a tutorial on how to set this up?
It's very easy, just put palm software prc files on an SD card and they can be installed easily.
есть ли мануал как на него установить линукс?(видеоинструкция на русском языке)
i did have that but i lost the screen and the pen
I would argue the Palm Lifedrive is the fastest Palm. Same CPU speed as the T5 but with all the features of the TX.
I have a hard time choosing between my TX and my LifeDrive as my favorite Palm to use. My T5 was always in third place no doubt. The display on the TX is easily the best official Palm LCD Screen.
For fun, I'm going to speculate that the LifeDrive with it's extra functions of WiFi and CF interface may take ever so slightly more CPU time to administer, making the T5 slightly faster in raw performance :)
But I do think your claim is valid for the LifeDrive being a better Palm model. I've never seen a TX screen, it's really interesting that you say the screen is better. I want to see one now. I do own a LifeDrive though. Thanks for your comment, really enjoyed it.
Better than the iPhone 1
Palm came so close with their original design philosophies. Before getting off track any copying other designs instead of sticking with their own direction.
Apple then came in using Palm's original philosophies to make the iphone.
hihi "Matrix reflections"
Better than iPhone
palm and samsung phones suffer from update issues
That ruled 2004.
The mistake is Palm PDA didnt turn into a phone!
I agree.
It's also weird they brought out the Tungsten W. Put a keyboard on it, instead of a full touch screen, and it could only make calls when a headset was plugged in! What were they thinking.
Sprint dun # was #777
pls do nokia 95 mods pls pls pls
When I get one I will be.
@@JanusCycle thankyou
The difference from 2023 to 2033. Ai designed phones ?
How hard would it have been to add a speaker, a microphone, radio, and phone application? If they just made it a smartphone they would be around still. The iPhone wouldn't have been such a big hit.
Palm did start making phones called Treo. But they had a smaller screen and a full keyboard. Steve Jobs showed one on screen when launching the first iPhone. As an example of how not to make a smartphone. If only Palm had realised this at the time.
@Janus Cycle
Indeed. I loved my t3 and at that time I stated if palm comes out with a t3 form factor as t3 + phone without keyboard, I'll buy one! However the big side show and view by business community was blackberries - they made keyboards a must have feature. And in fact most thought iPhone without keyboard was a huge mistake. They were all to be proven wrong! But the public had to learn that while dedicated keyboards are better, a touch screen was "ok", but larger screen space with touch allows more screen space to actually browse and also display documents better. Few realized that extra screen space was more valuable. Jobs was one who did and went against what everyone thought was the winning setup - that setup was the blackberry setup with keyboard.
Regardless, the palm t line were amazing products and I used palms for 10 years- I miss them and only now do I feel my android phones match that palm user experience 13 years ago!
They built the Treo for the business market. The consumer market had its eggs in the basket for what became known as WebOS. It flopped because it shipped the same time the Android world would start to sell in cataclysmic levels with the Droid. If only it shipped a year earlier fully ready history may have turned out different.
I got 3 of these what should I do with them ?
You could try some IR multiplayer games on two of them
windows was just better with all the apps and games
nostalgía en 2023
Great video. Palm products were gems before the rise of the smartphones. PDA demonstrated how powerful a tiny lower-powered CPU can really do!
The Treo series of Palm smartphones were very popular at the time. The only more popular brand was Blackberry, due to companies preferring them for their employees. For the consumer, Palm Treos were king. I still have one that I use daily as a PDA. The screen is tiny by today's standards, but I love the keyboard.
Admittedly, Apple iPhones killed off not only Treo's but also Palm devices and the company, but until they were launched, Palm Treo's were the best, and had some advantages over iPhones. I still prefer keyboards plus stylus touch screens.
Come on. How is this man not getting a minimum of 10k views ? The production quality is beautiful and the content while niche is interesting. Janus i hope some day you get the views your channel deserves. Keep up the good work. Someone from Kenya appreciates it !
Любителей таких классных устройства, к сожалению, было не очень много. Это были бизнесмены или гики. И в то время как любой смартфон умеет в разы больше, никого не интересует подобная ретро электроника! А зря!
Plus... He's not obnoxiously loud or click bait
The algorithm HATES us . That's why . Especially cause information and quality videos getting hidden .
My channel should at least get 1k views per video .(looking at way less edited and sadly boring videos about the same topic getting way more I wonder what I did to get the algorithm hate me )
Maybe it's cause of some critical comments and posts about politics ? Absolutely possible .
I shouldn't have used this account to create the channel after I already had for 3 years
Niche content that's why
Great video, brings back so many memories from my IIIc.
It‘s a shame how Palm disappeared, although they temporarily were far ahead of the competition.
Palm was truly a „personal digital assistant“ rather than just a „smart phone“.
Appreciate your work, thanks from Germany!
I'm glad you enjoyed this look back at Palm.
I spent a few months saving every single dollar I made at my first job back in 2003 to save up for a Palm Zire 71. Managed to finally buy it at $599 from Dick Smiths. Yes, it was expensive, but I used that little device every single day for a few years. It was an absolutely wonderful little device that worked so well (although it did develop the horrible internal ribbon cable fault which prevented wired hotsyncing, but still charged).
I still have it, but it is in storage in a box with a few other Palm PDA's. I long to get it and mess around with it again some day!
I got a Zire 72 back in 2004 for about that same price, but sadly its dead now with difficult to replace permanent battery. I had it booting linux.
@@billsmini10 the Zire 72 was a really nice improvement over the 71. I was quite jealous it could boot Linux! At the time the 71 couldn't do that, and I was going through a 'put Linux on everything' phase...
i assume, due to the quirks of planned obscillence, the apple ecosystem will vanish without much of trace just like palm did
Thanks for the great review, the Tungsten was a great device considering it's age, the screen is pretty and the processor is quite fast. I specially like the buttons on the device, I wish modern cell phone and tablet to re-introduce them !
The fact that the backend still talks to the map app means either google has forgotten about it or some other system is also using the same services.
I have an old Olympus player, MR-500, that also runs opie, but unfortunately the processor is way too slow to drive that vga screen, barely can run anything.
And there will be a video about Japanese push-button phones on Brew and I-appli ?
I don't know much about them yet, but it's very interesting.
@@JanusCycle information about Japanese technology is very difficult to get
I wish I lived in that era where Palm OS devices were popular and could have had one.
it was not cheap
The matrix is a great movie
The Palm Pre should have won. RIP to a real one
holy shit stalker reference irl
The music in your videos is kind of scary lol. Well, I find it to be. Otherwise, love the videos. I used to be a PDA fanatic when I was young. I had a Sony Clié device, forgot the model number. I remember buying Memory Sticks for that thing so I could load mp3s for school bus rides. I also had a Palm Zire at some point; I believe that was my first PDA. I eventually moved to Windows Mobile with an HP iPaq something or another (it had WiFi which was amazing at the time). I love these things. Keep up the vids!
Sony Clié's are really cool. I hope to make a video soon on this topic.
Music has become more chill in recent videos. I might have been needing to work through some stuff at the time.
Hi Janus, Why does your Palm T5 says TELSTRA? Does it have a cellular function? are you using a gsm card? thanks!
No Cellular. I'm using a Telstra SD card and Palm OS display the card name. Sorry about the confusion.
@@JanusCycle Thanks Janus! I remember there was some old PDAs with a removable cellular card to make it function as a phone. Hoping you can review one of those soon. Thanks for the reviews! I miss my Palm.
The closest I got to a premium palm device was a tapwave zodiac. But I added a portable keyboard and an SD wifi card and that thing was an awesome capable mini device.
Tapwave Zodiac is indeed very premium. I would love to have one.
The Palm LifeDrive also ran at the same speed, but it was packed loaded full of every feature they could fit into a PDA back then, and today its extremely upgradable
I would like to try the LifeDrive some day.
@@JanusCycle Refrubished ones these days are going about $140
I loved my T3. The amount of ebooks I read on that, before ereaders were a thing was immense. Great video
So HTC had better ones ? I remember my HTC VARIO III having a 650mhz processor and 64mb ram
I really want to buy a brand new tungsten, but I could not find it. I have a m515, m505, tx, but used. I love palms and I think I have downloaded all the apps from thousands of forums. Nostalgia maybe
Even used they are a lot of fun, you have some good models there.
Fun fact: This Palm PDA runs at a higher default clock speed than the PS Vita from 2012, which runs at 333MHz with Wifi turned on and 444MHz with it turned off, but the Vita's ARM Cortex-A9 CPU was heavily underclocked by Sony from its maximum speed of 2GHz to improve battery life and thermal performance, so technically the CPU on the Palm T5 is faster than the one on the PS Vita* And even faster with overclocking.
*With networking enabled and default clock speed settings on the vita. also, other components such as the GPU and RAM make a greater difference in performance, making the PS Vita obviously the faster machine overall.
Someone get this man a Tapwave Zodiac
My White Whale :)
May we see more games? Please?
I do have some Palm OS videos coming. The next one will be a greyscale LCD Palm model with older OS, so less capable for games. But this will lead into further videos with lots more games.