The blots on his mask are supposed to emit his emotions based off the comics so you see they start becoming more rapid while he is delivering that comment.
I love the irony that in the end both Dr. Manhattan and Adrien lose their sense of humanity, whereas rorshach and comedian (the two characters who are deemed sociopathic) show they have a sense of humanity.
@KitchensAreHot then you missed the point of the comic, the great thing about this story is that it's not interested in telling you whats right and wrong, it just presents different viewpoints and allows the audience to choose whichever they believe to be the lesser of two evils
I don't know, that's up to your own imagination really. Honestly in my mind, they printed to story and the mass majority of people never believed it. And like always continued to live amongst there lies. Like Manhattan said he can change almost anything, but not human nature. Human nature would dictate they will go for the easy answer, Manhattan is a bad guy and he can kill them all so they must all stand united.
Can't we all just appreciate Jackie's stunning performance as Rorschach? Just like Hugh Jackman as Logan, I can't see anyone else to be able to play as Rorschach as perfect as that man did
Rorschach wanted to die here because he wouldn't stop until he got his way. Manhattan just gave him what he wanted. Manhattan's also powerful enough to see into the future and realize that eventually in Earth's long history something relating to Rorschach's journal is published. He can also choose to just burn it before it's found. The thing is he doesn't for one reason or another. This was the only dignified way to end things for him.
Yeah. You can just feel the pain of that poor guy, realizing that what he had gotten himself into...was a mess that he didn’t want to be involved with. That, and the idea of having one of your mentors/friends being blown up by someone you thought was your friend. God, that must be traumatizing....
@@sebsignat8286 More like would it have mattered. truths of all kinds are being revealed & exposed almost at daily basis all over the world, but how many would actually care enough to find out more & do something? it's even more difficult in this particular case, given how verifying what Veidt did would risk having USA & USSR going at each other's throats again. besides, it's the word of one obscure journal vs the 'truth' that happened before everyone's eyes. it'd be like fighting a warship with a pistol.
@@sebsignat8286 That's like saying a child could throw an egg (standard chicken ones, not the likes of ostriches & definitely not those of dinosaurs) & kill a healthy grown-up if done at the right angle. you can't. destroying a warship with a pistol ain't something you could inflict from ANYWHERE outside a warship. doing it INSIDE the warship would be a different argument altogether that ain't applicable here.
@@dweetsauce8513 it abandons a lot of the themes from Watchmen in order to be a pretty generic DC comic book which features versions of the Watchmen characters.
I love when Rorschach says "That's always been the difference between us, Daniel." You can tell he doesn't say it like he's right, just that their ways of being are different. They both follow their path, and he doesn't know if the path he chose is the right one, but he must follow it all the way to the end.
Rorschach was ready for death a long, long time ago. Jackie Earle Haley does an amazing job of twisting pain and rage together both in his voice and face.
The way his face scrunches up in anger before delivering the second "Do it" like he's mad Dr Manhattan didn't have the balls to kill him the first time he said it. Love it
When he breaks up with Silk Spectre he leaves earth. When he breaks up with Rorschach he leaves the damn galaxy. I think we all know who mattered most here.
It's interesting reading up on the moral philosophies of these characters. Ozymandias is representative of the extreme conclusion of utilitarian ethics. That the best option is the one that maximizes the collective "utility" or well-being/happiness of everyone collectively. Under utilitarianism (and consequentialism in general) there's no inherently good or bad actions, only good or bad outcomes. The morally right action is whatever creates the morally right outcome. So to him it was acceptable to kill millions of innocent people because billions would be saved. It's ok to do anything for the "greater good." Rorschach represents the opposite view of "deontology"; that there are inherently good or bad actions regardless of the consequences of those actions. It's wrong to kill an innocent person regardless of the reasons for doing so. Even if it saves lives it shouldn't be done. Exacting justice on people is necessary regardless of the consequences. Rorschach believes murdering and torturing child rapists is the morally right thing to do. Even though it doesn't bring the children back and actually results in a net increase in suffering, it's the right thing to do. And that brings him into conflict because he believes in exacting justice no matter the cost, even if it's the lives of billions of people Ozymandias needs to be brought to justice because he's a murderer. Even if there's no reasonable prospect of succeeding Rorschach tries it anyways (I don't consider the TV show canon) because he doesn't compromise. Dr. Manhattan, the Comedian, and the Nite Owl are people stuck in the middle of this who don't rigidly follow either side. The Comedian is actively apathetic and is against morality. He openly acts in self interest and treats everything as a joke. The Nite Owl is basically the average person who believes that actions like murder are inherently wrong but also believes that it's ok to justify other stuff for the greater good, e.g. breaking Rorschach out of prison. So when he's confronted with a situation that's the worst possible action (mass murder of millions) for the best possible outcome (saving billions) his ethical system doesn't work anymore and he just doesn't act. He believes Ozymandias is a bad person for what he did but also tacitly supports his actions by not doing anything. Nite Owl screams when Rorschach is killed but is OK with millions of anonymous people dying. He doesn't have consistent morals and suffers for it. Dr. Manhattan on the other hand is passively apathetic. He's not actively hostile to morality like the Comedian, but he doesn't care about the morality of his actions or inaction much like him. He let the Comedian shoot a pregnant woman and just kind of watches stuff occur even though he has immense power. At the end of the film he stops caring about morals entirely and kills Rorschach not because of morality but because of his own self interest in liking humanity and wanting it to continue.
@@Mr.Popo_og I've written whole case study of Wayne, although it wasn't too good as I was first year student. Plus i'm not really devoted DC fan to know Wayne greatly.
Hats off to Nite Owl actor Patrick Wilson. The emotion he generated as he belted out that "NOOOOOO!" becomes more remarkable when you consider that he didn't have the luxury of seeing Jackie Earle Hayley actually being blown to bits in front of him. Hell, Hayley was probably off camera having some hot chocolate while that was being filmed. Wilson had to conjure the visual and react.
"had to conjure the visual and react." No pun intended lol Patrick Wilson plays the Husband in the Conjuring Horror movie franchise and the Husband/Dad in the Insidious Horror Film franchise. Also, the 'Noooo" was not just a "Noooo" it's a "Noooo" that transitions to an "Ahhhh" when he drops to his knees. I think it's great because it shows the pain of the event he just witness of his friend dying. It feels like a realistic heartache moment.
Yeah. Rorschach was a good man. Difficult thing for him to be feeling the way he did about human beings but he wanted to make the world a better place. He was stubborn and uncompromising even in the face of death because that was who he was. Everyone thought he was just a nut but Dan.
fr, i watched it in theaters and when Rorschach exploded, i got up and left. I sat through over two hours of bullshit and barely any action just for my favorite character to be killed.
Abdiel Montanez whoa, I get your anger over Rorschach's death, but over 2 hours of bullshit and almost no action? The movie was a masterpiece bro. Nothing like it ever
Abdiel Montanez oh me neither man. The emotions it left me with is why I love it so much. This scene was so powerful and a piss off man. R.I.P Rorschach😭😪😪😥😥
The last one and a half minutes is the most sincere, emotional and painful superhero scene of all time. All this without a single overplaying moment and a spectacular but meaningless effect. The only perfect scene that crowned the entire film.
Its devastating when this happened on screen in all honesty Rorschach was a character who really had nothing to live for in a world that he only viewed as black & white. He died protecting his values which was all he had left.
Dr. Manhattan, tells everyone that he doesn't care at all about humanity, then decides he cares just long enough to kill the coolest character, then leaves. Godamnit.
Because of her. If not he wouldn't come back in the first place. I love Rorschach's character a lot, but I think Dr. Manhattan's action is logical. I don't know if you've watched the ultimate cut or theatrical cut though.
@@proposterous2808 Except I'm 30, soon to be a librarian with an MA, with an already acquired History BA focusing in ancient civilizations. But, never to fear, because I wrote an undergraduate thesis arguing that the US invasion of Iraq was actually a resounding victory of neoconservative goals via influences in the second Bush administration. As opposed to its perceived failure by the world at large So, I have dabbled in political science as well. I'm sorry, what are your qualifications? lol
It's still up the viewer to decide if the world actually believes the journal or not which is probably what Alan Moore was originally going for. It's open ended
I like to believe that the journal would be the undoing of Ozymandias’s project; why else include it as the final panel in the graphic novel? But then again maybe I just like the idea of Rorschach winning in the end
+Losing You to You Ultimately, whether or not Ozymandius plan succeeds, and whether or not is justified, is not supported either way by the narrative. Moore knew better. Personally, I believe that inaction in the face of the coming political struggles during Watchmen would have been a more catastrophic choice than what he did.
***** Alan Moore, the writer of the original graphic novel. He said that he didn't want to make it seem like he sided for or against Veidt's decision to bomb major cities. That's why Dr. Manhattan said "Without condemning or condoning, I understand." Personally, Veidt's plan was excessive, but it's what was necessary for his plan to succeed. If he wanted the world to be afraid of Manhattan, he needed to give them a very powerful reason to. So he basically showed them that, at any given time, Dr Manhattan could exact the wrath of God. It's very powerful, motivating stuff. I think that even if it weren't entirely necessary, he would have done it just to fit a poetic vision.
The fact that Manhattan slowed time while talking to Rorshach, look at the slowed snow falling until he kills him, then when Nite Owl reacts its in real time again. I f**king LOVE Zack Snyders directing style
It's so crazy how good this scene is with all the context. Manhattan knew, and has always known he was going to kill rorshach, because that's what had to happen, like entropy. Rorshach is the opposite of entropy, hes the will to keep fighting, and because rorshach will never, ever stop fighting, he already knew he was going to die too. This is essentially watching the fragile strength of man being obliterated by the all powerful forces of time and entropy, something we all can relate to on a very primal level
"Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon. That's always been the difference between us Daniel." Even when all the other heroes gave it up, Rorschach kept on going and even when Armageddon was at stake, he stuck to his morals.
@@guilhermehank4938 He gets pissed when people think Rorschach is cool. Which is fair. I don’t think it’s fair that he hates this movie for some reason.
Yes, it defines his character. He sees everything in black and white, good and evil. He would always do what he perceives is the right thing, no matter the consequences or damage it causes, because he believes no end can ever justify evil means.
Fabisch Factor It's a Zack Snyder movie after all. Watch his shit for 10 times and come back the next day. You'll always find something new in his movies ❤❤❤
Doctor Manhattan is bugged, environmental stuff lags like all hell in his aggro range. He doesn't get wet in rain, snow doesn't fall, dude's a mess. Watchmaker be praised for fan patches.
This scene made me shed a tear. All that investigating and determination to stay on the case and end up finding out Ozymandias was the killer. Literally sacrificing his reputation after having an already depressing childhood. All just for it to end by Manhattan himself cause he wants to hide the truth. Of course it made sense in the end, but still feels wrong and depressing. Funny thing is though, Rorschach's journal could expose everything.
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1:10 Rorschach last look on Night Owl was an awesome detail. He knows he will be killed and he take one last look on the only guy he consider his friend, even though he knows he would not follow him.
Goddam. Why didn't Jack Earle Haley(Rorschach) get some kind of nod for this role? He was amazing? And WHY didn't he get more awesome and intense roles like this, after this, instead of crap parts like Elm Street and Robocop? He can pull off more roles as the dramatic lead, easily. A highly and unjustly underrated actor, in my opinion.
Everyone bitching about DiCaprio not getting an oscar (which he eventually got for some reason) while there's a shit ton of actors out there that never got shit, even when they're a 100 times better actors than Leo. Jackie is one of them, but I guess he's not handsome enough for an oscar right?
This was actually one scene that was better than the graphic novel, at least Nite Owl is here trying to stop Dr. Manhattan instead of getting with Silk Spectre again. Bros before hoes Daniel!
Same here! There's more verbal exchange and you can see that Manhattan doesn't really want to do it. And the change of Rorschach's expressions during all of it make it even more powerful! And, yes, I like Daniel being there rather than getting it on with Laurie. You never know how he reacted to Rorschach's death (or if he even cared) in the book.
ryouko Yeah, Rorschach was the Character with the most depth I felt and the way he died in the graphic novel left me feeling like y'know, he deserved a bit more. He was (to me anyway) one of those rare bottom right of the political spectrum guys and the presence of Nite Owl made me feel like at least there was someone (y'know, with HUMAN emotions) who witnessed him give his life for a cause, that the gesture wasn't in vain.
GoldenJokered Is this the first time Daniel has seen Rorschach's face? If so, that's even more powerful imo. He saw a brief glimpse of his face just before he died.
43tafdSva rews Well, in the movie, he did see Rorschach's face on the news. So when he took the mask off, it was the first time he saw Rorshach's face in person. In the GN, it was very different.
You can tell that Rorschach was the only real one among them. His moral standard was exacting but I say that every word he said was right, he called out a god on his apathetic hypocrisy and was willing to let humanity make its own choice rather than make it for them.
I love the way Manhattan talks and looks while he's speaking to Rorschach; it's like he's shed his godhood and you can see the human underneath again; his voice is more somber, you can see the pupils in his eyes clearly and when Rorschach says "What's one more body amongst foundations?" he clearly struggles with acting in accordance with a decision that has already been made. Great acting on display here.
Just being a lore nerd but perhaps when we see Manhattan freeze time around him and Rorschach, he may have been looking through his timeline for any possible reason they could all still walk away and realizes there isn’t.
Rorschach, in the end, was the only one who stood up for the people he so despised. The empathetic, non-sociopath goodies would rather cover up their massacre.
Ryan A Ozzy: For the last time, join me or die. Me: I am not much of a joiner. But, maybe we should. Nite Owl: Hey! He's trying to take over the world! Me: So? What's the world going to do for us anyway? It hates us! Nite Owl: Hey! Get back here! Me: Hey, Ozzy? Um... I lost my Rorschach. But you can get him back, right? Ozzy: I can, my dear. Anything you want.
Kind of interesting if you read the comments that the one character everyone likes and admires had no "super" power except his convictions and strength of character. Says something...
@Gray Au its called entertainment buddy. No one here is talking any shit on real life heros. Nd if they disgust you why watch a video about super heros?
Definitely prefer this ending to the comic one. Rorschach deserved a scene like this with more gravity. Damn nightowl just forgets about him in the comicbook.
Yeah, I felt always disturbed by Nite Owl reaction in the comic. He prefered banging Laurie than trying to stop Dr Manhattan of killing his partner in the graphic novel.
@@Sergeant_Camacho He had no idea Doc was going to kill Rorschach. He just let his buddy walk off to go freeze in the tundra. At least Doc killed him quicker than the cold would've. Plus the point was that everyone that decided to put on a costume was an unlikeable, self-centered jerk.
That's the point. Rorschach lives by his principles but he's also a smelly hobo who will murder anyone who he thinks is a bad person. And the end of the book is literally him leaving his journal to see if anyone else will discover it.
I actually like that Nite Owl mourned his friend's death in the film instead of having sex with Laurie in the graphic novel, i thought that was stupid.
+Joseph Dutra People tend to do unusual things when traumatized. In the movie they basically just seem to forget New York was just blown up and go about their business, barely any moral conundrum whatsoever.
Rorschach was by far the most realistic hero out of thousands. From the way he talks, to how he acts, he's seen shit and acts so careless and violent because he's ready for death. When you go through what he's been through, you stop realizing that life is important. As such, he showed no fear in the face of Manhattan. He knew he was going to die the moment he walked out of the door, the quote "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon" has a beautiful double meaning. 1. He always believed that what he did was right at the end of the day, no matter how the ends met. He never compromised or made deals, he stuck with his thoughts. 2. Never beg for mercy. Even in the eyes of the most powerful being in the Watchmen universe, he stared imminent doom in the face without fear. *He was ready to die.*
TaZ101SAGA Guess, what I found some 'United Video dollars' today :) [Sort of a voucher that has the additional benefit of devalueing at the same rate as normal money] I rented dark Knight & Watchmen !! *happy days :)
TaZ101SAGA In the new world. Adriands united utopia there is no war and crime will go lower so there is not much wotj for Rorchach since crimefighting is th eonly one keeping him going
Such an underrated movie in my opinion . Fantastic characters and visuals.I love how gritty and violent it was. Such a refreshing change to normal superhero movies.And my god that soundtrack🎶❤️
Haha so not true, I love DC, I just know when to admit when something is bad and the recent DC films and Watchmen are bad. Mainly down to Zack Snyder, I don't like his style, doesn't work for most movies minus 300, which in my opinion is his only good film. So don't accuse me of being a Marvel fanboy when I love both companies, I just have an opinion on the film.
The small details like Dr. Manhattan making the snow stop in mid-air make this scene fantastic. Shows how effortlessly Dr. Manhattan can control things, and yet he still wasn’t able to control Rorschach or stop those cities from being bombed
This scene sticks out for me because, I think Roarshac did want to die. He was a vigilante for so long and has seen so much, and Veidts recent actions with the killings of millions probably broke him even more. Further worsened by the watchmens agreement to cover it up. He wanted no part in it and knew that they couldn't let him live. So he probably saw this as a way out from the pain and the burden. But at the same time he knew his journal would complete his work. I think he's a tragic hero. But very strong and firm in his beliefs.
Lil Note in the comic the ending was left ambiguos the person he sent the journal to was you the reader so you could choose the ending yourself in your imagination
It’s not just that though. His concept of justice and morality had become so strong, and at times so dangerous (not here though, completely on point) that he couldn’t bear to even live in a world built on the foundation of an extremely utilitarian approach to ethics. A part of him regretted that that was essentially about to get him killed. But yes, at the end of the day - he was ready.
I agree and I like to think that he wanted to be judged for failing. He failed to save the child and he failed to stop Veidt, thus he failed the ideal that he pledged to. Also see Night Owl so willing to "compromise" he lost his only human connection. I digress but I suffer from depression and anxiety, so Rorschach is very relatable because I understand his rage.
After watching this film Rorschach is my favorite super hero of dc and Marvel, the man is just so damn bad ass, i like the nitty gritty tragic superhero types. Pisses me off that he had to die, honestly he was better than every other super hero don’t matter what universe they from, Rorschach is badass
In the end, he was the only man of Justice on the whole movie. In the country of fake justice and propaganda, Rorschach is the only one who hold into the truth and moral code of whats right and wrong. Thats the thing that change himself into a cruel madmen, but he have the best vision and the wisest among them all. He was like a typical conspiracy theorist, he want to tell them the truth and die for it. Rorschach, a dark villain with even darker act. People see him as badass and cool, but thats not all. For me, he is the merely doing what right for humanity and justice.
I agree completely Rorschach was a good example of stoicism sacrifice his own well being for the the benefit of others is truly the greatest aspect of his character. He was truly trying to make a difference in a world of chaos. What the movie shows though is that our world is so corrupt and evil. Ruled by evil humans and many wicked humans who exist in the world. That the true heroes and good guys like Rorschach must die in order to bring even a small beacon of light into the world of utter darkness. "Stoicism teaches the development of self-control and fortitude as a means of overcoming destructive emotions; the philosophy holds that becoming a clear and unbiased thinker allows one to understand the universal reason (logos). A primary aspect of Stoicism involves improving the individual's ethical and moral well-being: "Virtue consists in a will that is in agreement with Nature."[6] This principle also applies to the realm of interpersonal relationships; "to be free from anger, envy, and jealousy,"[7] and to accept even slaves as "equals of other men, because all men alike are products of nature.""
I would come back on what I said to Dylan Fulton and say he isn't right about stoicism. Roeschach saw the world in a Kantic view where one must follow his duty for the greater good, no matter what the losts are.
This show us a lesson: We just can't live by a moral code, because there is no wrong or right. What is wrong for you maybe isn't to another person. You might say: "But everybody knows for example, that killing is wrong". Indeed, even a child knows that. Not because of a moral code, but by a survival instinct. To me, there is only the BALANCE: CHAOS and ORDER in eternal conflict trying to keep the balance. Rorschach's decision wasn't wrong or right, but chaotic (what doesn't mean it's a good or evil choice). While the Ozymandias's decision was to bring the order at any cost (what doesn't mean it's a good or evil choice). Dr Manhattan decision was to keep the balance, letting the world hate him (chaos) but giving them a reason to unite and avoid a nuclear war (order). Pick your side, chaos, order or balance?
What superpowers does he have? Besides a very advanced grapel hook( if u count that as a power)..his fighting skills are good and he uses his enviroment like some jason bourne ...but no super powers right?
Even though John felt so out of touch with humans and their emotions, he still struggled to kill Rorschach. In the end, he was still his friend that he’s known for years. This movie was so well made
"if you cared from the start none of this would've happened" that's gotta be one of the hardest truth bombs I ever heard, Rorschach blames Manhattan, all the terrible shit that's occured is his fault, and you can see that Manhattan is really just broken by that, the realization that he, the closest thing to a god, the most powerful being in existence, failed so terribly
There’s a scene in the director’s cut where Dr. Manhattan and the Comedian are in Vietnam. A pregnant woman confronts the Comedian in a bar after the Vietcong surrender, and tells him that she’s carrying his baby. He basically tells her to go away and she hits him with a bottle. The Comedian shoots her. Dr. Manhattan says “She was pregnant… and you gunned her down.” and the Comedian replies “Yeah. And you watched. You could’ve turned the gun into steam, the bullet to mercury, the bottle into snowflakes… but you didn’t. You’re losing your humanity, doc. God help us all.” The Comedian called it before anyone else.
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“Suddenly you discover humanity?......convenient” that delivery was amazing.
My eyes stung when he said it, it was perfectly blunt
Best part is he was wearing a mask while saying it and yet you can feel his emotions.
The blots on his mask are supposed to emit his emotions based off the comics so you see they start becoming more rapid while he is delivering that comment.
That's what I like too say to all our politicians around the world
GuitarGod2112xx that’s dope, I didn’t know that
"If you cared from the start none of this would've happened"
-Rorschach
True 😔
*ligma* *balls*
@@muhammadwafiuddin7025 **bass sound**
@@yoshikagekira2838 *NOOOOOOO*
@@muhammadwafiuddin7025 I really cannot take this scene seriously anymore
“It’s so sad Steve Jobs died from ligma”
“Who the hell is Steve Jobs?”
“Ligma balls”
*DEATH*
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Dies of dead
B A S S
*B U U U M*
I love the irony that in the end both
Dr. Manhattan and Adrien lose their sense of humanity, whereas rorshach and comedian (the two characters who are deemed sociopathic) show they have a sense of humanity.
Perhaps the only way to save humanity, in Ozzy's eyes, was to detach himself from it.
I've always thought that. The two characters down to be the worst people in the series end up dying trying to do the right thing.
@@Bigkingmonster408 what THEY think is the right thing, the whole point is that it’s not as simple as right and wrong in this situation
@KitchensAreHot then you missed the point of the comic, the great thing about this story is that it's not interested in telling you whats right and wrong, it just presents different viewpoints and allows the audience to choose whichever they believe to be the lesser of two evils
Wise consideration.
Little did they know that Rorschach sent his journal to the media revealing everything. In the end, Rorschach wins... Rorschach always wins.
And when Rorschach wins, everybody else loses
Your logic is spotty and shifty.
I don't know, that's up to your own imagination really.
Honestly in my mind, they printed to story and the mass majority of people never believed it. And like always continued to live amongst there lies. Like Manhattan said he can change almost anything, but not human nature.
Human nature would dictate they will go for the easy answer, Manhattan is a bad guy and he can kill them all so they must all stand united.
Well his journal does not include the most important part...
Yes. he died foe his convictions and pride, even if it would have destroyed the world. Justice is a human conception which has no place in math.
Can't we all just appreciate Jackie's stunning performance as Rorschach? Just like Hugh Jackman as Logan, I can't see anyone else to be able to play as Rorschach as perfect as that man did
xXRabbitSnipezXx i agree with you!!! 👍👍
I agree
So powerful! Should have gotten an Oscar.
I think the voice of the question from JL Unlimited goes better with the character. But the performance by jackie was great.
Agree
I am sure with all of his powers he could have just wiped it from his memory instead of hitting him with the Steve jobs special
Lmao
Who the hell is steve Jobs?
@@santana7827 ligma balls
Rorschach wanted to die here because he wouldn't stop until he got his way. Manhattan just gave him what he wanted. Manhattan's also powerful enough to see into the future and realize that eventually in Earth's long history something relating to Rorschach's journal is published. He can also choose to just burn it before it's found. The thing is he doesn't for one reason or another. This was the only dignified way to end things for him.
@@santana7827 he was the creator of Apple and Disney Pixar and a lot of companies
“What’s one more body amongst foundations?”. That line always killed me man. RIP Rorschach
The fact that Nite Owl was there for Rorschsch’s end is one of my favorite changes from the book
It makes it so much more powerful
comicmaster217 exactly
comicmaster217 but not witnessing his friends death allows him to get it up to fuck silk spectre
Yeah. You can just feel the pain of that poor guy, realizing that what he had gotten himself into...was a mess that he didn’t want to be involved with. That, and the idea of having one of your mentors/friends being blown up by someone you thought was your friend. God, that must be traumatizing....
I came here just to comment that
JimmySteller that was done on purpose is the g n I think to show how shitty the world was lol but I like the movie more anyway
Rorscach, the poorest, most "unstable" and most human of the Watchmen, outwitted Ozymandias and Dr. Manhattan in the end with his journal. Poetic.
But would his journal done more good if it was sent to a more reputable news source like New Yorker
@@sebsignat8286 More like would it have mattered. truths of all kinds are being revealed & exposed almost at daily basis all over the world, but how many would actually care enough to find out more & do something? it's even more difficult in this particular case, given how verifying what Veidt did would risk having USA & USSR going at each other's throats again. besides, it's the word of one obscure journal vs the 'truth' that happened before everyone's eyes. it'd be like fighting a warship with a pistol.
@@FalconWindblader the warship could go kaboom from that pistol if properly aimed
@@sebsignat8286 That's like saying a child could throw an egg (standard chicken ones, not the likes of ostriches & definitely not those of dinosaurs) & kill a healthy grown-up if done at the right angle. you can't. destroying a warship with a pistol ain't something you could inflict from ANYWHERE outside a warship. doing it INSIDE the warship would be a different argument altogether that ain't applicable here.
@@FalconWindblader exactly
"never compromise...not even in the face of Armageddon..." strong words to live by
You can tell by Dr. Manhattan’s subtle eye movements that it was hard for him to kill Rorschach.
He'd just rediscovered the value of human life maybe an hour earlier
He might as well be sobbing
@Darth Pancake Studios doomsday clock is garbage
CommodoreMudkip comment below says otherwise lik
@@dweetsauce8513 it abandons a lot of the themes from Watchmen in order to be a pretty generic DC comic book which features versions of the Watchmen characters.
Rorschach, approaches an indestructible man with the power to shape matter to how he sees fit, tell him to get out of his way.
what a legend
+Lee Henry
And he dies.
+Олег Егоров
Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon
He knew what this was.
He knew he was going to die by Manhattan's hand he however couldn't bring himself to compromise his principles
damn hes bold
+Lee Henry What a moron.
He got what he deserved, it just took longer than it should have.
I love when Rorschach says "That's always been the difference between us, Daniel."
You can tell he doesn't say it like he's right, just that their ways of being are different. They both follow their path, and he doesn't know if the path he chose is the right one, but he must follow it all the way to the end.
“Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon.”
Most badass line in superhero films/comics
Rorschach was ready for death a long, long time ago. Jackie Earle Haley does an amazing job of twisting pain and rage together both in his voice and face.
The way his face scrunches up in anger before delivering the second "Do it" like he's mad Dr Manhattan didn't have the balls to kill him the first time he said it. Love it
It's so sad that Steve Jobs died from ligma
@@linux077 who the hell is Steve jobs!??!?
@@thebostonterrierdude1585 ligma balls...
@@thebostonterrierdude1585 Ligma balls
When he breaks up with Silk Spectre he leaves earth. When he breaks up with Rorschach he leaves the damn galaxy. I think we all know who mattered most here.
RIT𐌝ΞM that’s pretty gay.
Bob Johnson Thank you for your insight.
Wow ! I never looked at it that way. Yeah, silk lady was some ass but Rorschach was pure belief, conviction a man of unshakable principle.
He literally breaks Rorschach up lol
Fearghus Keitz Possibly homosexual... must investigate further
It's interesting reading up on the moral philosophies of these characters. Ozymandias is representative of the extreme conclusion of utilitarian ethics. That the best option is the one that maximizes the collective "utility" or well-being/happiness of everyone collectively. Under utilitarianism (and consequentialism in general) there's no inherently good or bad actions, only good or bad outcomes. The morally right action is whatever creates the morally right outcome. So to him it was acceptable to kill millions of innocent people because billions would be saved. It's ok to do anything for the "greater good."
Rorschach represents the opposite view of "deontology"; that there are inherently good or bad actions regardless of the consequences of those actions. It's wrong to kill an innocent person regardless of the reasons for doing so. Even if it saves lives it shouldn't be done. Exacting justice on people is necessary regardless of the consequences. Rorschach believes murdering and torturing child rapists is the morally right thing to do. Even though it doesn't bring the children back and actually results in a net increase in suffering, it's the right thing to do. And that brings him into conflict because he believes in exacting justice no matter the cost, even if it's the lives of billions of people Ozymandias needs to be brought to justice because he's a murderer. Even if there's no reasonable prospect of succeeding Rorschach tries it anyways (I don't consider the TV show canon) because he doesn't compromise.
Dr. Manhattan, the Comedian, and the Nite Owl are people stuck in the middle of this who don't rigidly follow either side. The Comedian is actively apathetic and is against morality. He openly acts in self interest and treats everything as a joke. The Nite Owl is basically the average person who believes that actions like murder are inherently wrong but also believes that it's ok to justify other stuff for the greater good, e.g. breaking Rorschach out of prison. So when he's confronted with a situation that's the worst possible action (mass murder of millions) for the best possible outcome (saving billions) his ethical system doesn't work anymore and he just doesn't act. He believes Ozymandias is a bad person for what he did but also tacitly supports his actions by not doing anything. Nite Owl screams when Rorschach is killed but is OK with millions of anonymous people dying. He doesn't have consistent morals and suffers for it.
Dr. Manhattan on the other hand is passively apathetic. He's not actively hostile to morality like the Comedian, but he doesn't care about the morality of his actions or inaction much like him. He let the Comedian shoot a pregnant woman and just kind of watches stuff occur even though he has immense power. At the end of the film he stops caring about morals entirely and kills Rorschach not because of morality but because of his own self interest in liking humanity and wanting it to continue.
Nice analysis there...I would like to hear ur views about Bruce Wayne/Batman's psychology.
its so sad that steve jobs died of ligma
Thanks, this was great for the essay i'm about to write
Problem is that Ozymandias's judgement is flawed. Utilitarianism needs very precise calculations.
@@Mr.Popo_og I've written whole case study of Wayne, although it wasn't too good as I was first year student. Plus i'm not really devoted DC fan to know Wayne greatly.
Hats off to Nite Owl actor Patrick Wilson. The emotion he generated as he belted out that "NOOOOOO!" becomes more remarkable when you consider that he didn't have the luxury of seeing Jackie Earle Hayley actually being blown to bits in front of him. Hell, Hayley was probably off camera having some hot chocolate while that was being filmed. Wilson had to conjure the visual and react.
"had to conjure the visual and react." No pun intended lol Patrick Wilson plays the Husband in the Conjuring Horror movie franchise and the Husband/Dad in the Insidious Horror Film franchise. Also, the 'Noooo" was not just a "Noooo" it's a "Noooo" that transitions to an "Ahhhh" when he drops to his knees. I think it's great because it shows the pain of the event he just witness of his friend dying. It feels like a realistic heartache moment.
This scene makes me tear up every god damn time.
Sick to see you were here.
Ligma balls
@@rushing2game172 Fuck off with your old ass fake disease joke.
A shame there was no _Watchmen_ game for the SNES.
@@MisterUnknown707 steve jobs died and you're telling people to "fuck off", can't believe the world has come to know such disrespect
(joke)
"I'm leaving this galaxy... for one less complicated. "
proceeds to become god of the DC universe.
hhaha DC Rebirth reference
Dc is know for their simplistic and clean continuity oh wait..
matthew malloy would kill dr manhatten easly
He said LESS complicated lol
THE GREAT CORNHOLIO he wasn't the one who caused the new 52, but he could over see the changes in time.
Nite Owl’s “NOOOOOOOO” is the best version of that trope I’ve ever heard.
The way Rorschach drops his usual way of talking here is almost like he's dying as his true self, Walter Kovavs.
it's sad when Dan screams after Rorschach is killed. it sounds really genuine and he was one of the few people that actually liked Rorschach
Yeah. Rorschach was a good man. Difficult thing for him to be feeling the way he did about human beings but he wanted to make the world a better place. He was stubborn and uncompromising even in the face of death because that was who he was. Everyone thought he was just a nut but Dan.
Dan's scream, is the good people's consciousness.
Daniel was the only person he trusted. They were partners, friends, heroes.
Digital West you can hear the despair and defeat in his voice because he knows he can’t do anything.
In the comics he's fucking laurie lol
I'm still pissed till this day
fr, i watched it in theaters and when Rorschach exploded, i got up and left. I sat through over two hours of bullshit and barely any action just for my favorite character to be killed.
Abdiel Montanez whoa, I get your anger over Rorschach's death, but over 2 hours of bullshit and almost no action? The movie was a masterpiece bro. Nothing like it ever
i know man, i just never expected him to be killed like that.
Abdiel Montanez oh me neither man. The emotions it left me with is why I love it so much. This scene was so powerful and a piss off man. R.I.P Rorschach😭😪😪😥😥
+Watch Men R.I.P
The last one and a half minutes is the most sincere, emotional and painful superhero scene of all time. All this without a single overplaying moment and a spectacular but meaningless effect. The only perfect scene that crowned the entire film.
Its devastating when this happened on screen in all honesty Rorschach was a character who really had nothing to live for in a world that he only viewed as black & white. He died protecting his values which was all he had left.
Dr. Manhattan, tells everyone that he doesn't care at all about humanity, then decides he cares just long enough to kill the coolest character, then leaves.
Godamnit.
Exactly what I was thinking
Because of her. If not he wouldn't come back in the first place. I love Rorschach's character a lot, but I think Dr. Manhattan's action is logical. I don't know if you've watched the ultimate cut or theatrical cut though.
Miyazaki Ahmad Dr. Manhattan is a terrible character IMO.
Jackson Holder I gotta agree since he doesn't have much character to begin with haha
Doctor Manhattens action is logical and honestly I prefer him over any of the other characters
"What's one more body amongst foundations?"
This line describes every government and civilization in human history.
ironically those who claim they want to give power to people kill most.
🙄
#Im14AndThisIsDeep
@@proposterous2808 Except I'm 30, soon to be a librarian with an MA, with an already acquired History BA focusing in ancient civilizations. But, never to fear, because I wrote an undergraduate thesis arguing that the US invasion of Iraq was actually a resounding victory of neoconservative goals via influences in the second Bush administration. As opposed to its perceived failure by the world at large So, I have dabbled in political science as well.
I'm sorry, what are your qualifications? lol
@@angelfan16
Nobody cares about your life dude.
That's the one of the most pro-human stories, the ordinary man without any powers winning against a crazy genius and a almost omnipotent being.
It's still up the viewer to decide if the world actually believes the journal or not which is probably what Alan Moore was originally going for. It's open ended
@@GUSX4NMAN Very good point. Alan may not have been going on the happy ending. Just what people would do realistically. Its a sad thought
@@standardreplicantKD6-3.7 millions to save billions
I like to believe that the journal would be the undoing of Ozymandias’s project; why else include it as the final panel in the graphic novel? But then again maybe I just like the idea of Rorschach winning in the end
@@GUSX4NMAN Meh, just the fact that it's even a thing hints at something to hope for
"Never compromise... not even in the face of Armageddon." I love that line.
It's crazy how the message in both THE DARK KNIGHT and WATCHMEN is "peace can only be achieved through lies and tragedy".
that message is relevant because it is the slogan of developed human society throughout the world
+Eli DEVITT *Enter Men in Black*
+Losing You to You Ultimately, whether or not Ozymandius plan succeeds, and whether or not is justified, is not supported either way by the narrative. Moore knew better.
Personally, I believe that inaction in the face of the coming political struggles during Watchmen would have been a more catastrophic choice than what he did.
***** Alan Moore, the writer of the original graphic novel. He said that he didn't want to make it seem like he sided for or against Veidt's decision to bomb major cities.
That's why Dr. Manhattan said "Without condemning or condoning, I understand."
Personally, Veidt's plan was excessive, but it's what was necessary for his plan to succeed. If he wanted the world to be afraid of Manhattan, he needed to give them a very powerful reason to. So he basically showed them that, at any given time, Dr Manhattan could exact the wrath of God.
It's very powerful, motivating stuff. I think that even if it weren't entirely necessary, he would have done it just to fit a poetic vision.
+RoyalGuard503 Ultimately I think its safe to that this was a Nixon's fault.
Rorscharch was such a badass, even the bloodstain he left in the ground is cool.
It looks like a Rorschach test, poetically leaving the audience to decide who was the true hero, Rorschach or Veidt. spoilers its veidt
...you ok buddy?
His blood formed his symbol
It was Dr. Manathan who willingly dispersed the rest of his body as well
Of course it is cool it is in the freaking ice.
The fact that Manhattan slowed time while talking to Rorshach, look at the slowed snow falling until he kills him, then when Nite Owl reacts its in real time again. I f**king LOVE Zack Snyders directing style
It's so crazy how good this scene is with all the context. Manhattan knew, and has always known he was going to kill rorshach, because that's what had to happen, like entropy. Rorshach is the opposite of entropy, hes the will to keep fighting, and because rorshach will never, ever stop fighting, he already knew he was going to die too. This is essentially watching the fragile strength of man being obliterated by the all powerful forces of time and entropy, something we all can relate to on a very primal level
It's sad when you're watching an awesome movie then your favorite character dies
John Griffin Literally me when I watched this movie.
John Griffin It's sad when you haven't seen the movie and some dumbass in the youtube comment section ruins the entire movie for you
Rusty Shackleford unless that comment is found where you're watching a clip of the character's death...stupid logic.
Sable Exactly what I was thinking
***** Oh yeah. That _was_ me
"Never compromise, not even in the face of armageddon. That's always been the difference between us Daniel." Even when all the other heroes gave it up, Rorschach kept on going and even when Armageddon was at stake, he stuck to his morals.
And bizarrely Alan intended for rorschach to be the wrong one here. And he gers pissed when people see him as the right one.
@@guilhermehank4938 He gets pissed when people think Rorschach is cool. Which is fair. I don’t think it’s fair that he hates this movie for some reason.
Best thing is rorschach wins at the end
Yes, it defines his character. He sees everything in black and white, good and evil. He would always do what he perceives is the right thing, no matter the consequences or damage it causes, because he believes no end can ever justify evil means.
"I can change almost anything, but I can't change Steve Jobs having Ligma."
- Doctor "Feelgood" Manhattan
"Never Compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon"
I've seen this movie like 10 times...
Never noticed that the snow stopped falling in mid air.
Fabisch Factor It's a Zack Snyder movie after all. Watch his shit for 10 times and come back the next day. You'll always find something new in his movies ❤❤❤
Shit. That's so cool.
Wow
Doctor Manhattan is bugged, environmental stuff lags like all hell in his aggro range. He doesn't get wet in rain, snow doesn't fall, dude's a mess. Watchmaker be praised for fan patches.
I will never get over his giant bloodstain looking like a Rorschach test...
Psnowdog7 In the comic the make a first shot of that image on his mask
***** No way :D
+degree7 looks like a snow angel to me...or..."flowers"
+Justin Smith Pretty little red flowers...
+Psnowdog7 Holy shit I see it now. It's like a symbol in itself.
This scene made me shed a tear. All that investigating and determination to stay on the case and end up finding out Ozymandias was the killer. Literally sacrificing his reputation after having an already depressing childhood. All just for it to end by Manhattan himself cause he wants to hide the truth. Of course it made sense in the end, but still feels wrong and depressing. Funny thing is though, Rorschach's journal could expose everything.
1:10 Rorschach last look on Night Owl was an awesome detail. He knows he will be killed and he take one last look on the only guy he consider his friend, even though he knows he would not follow him.
Goddam. Why didn't Jack Earle Haley(Rorschach) get some kind of nod for this role? He was amazing? And WHY didn't he get more awesome and intense roles like this, after this, instead of crap parts like Elm Street and Robocop? He can pull off more roles as the dramatic lead, easily. A highly and unjustly underrated actor, in my opinion.
Everyone bitching about DiCaprio not getting an oscar (which he eventually got for some reason) while there's a shit ton of actors out there that never got shit, even when they're a 100 times better actors than Leo. Jackie is one of them, but I guess he's not handsome enough for an oscar right?
Btw, Jackie's performance in Little Children is downright disturbing. He should've won the oscar for that one. At least he got nominated.
Damn straight!
+Mr. Painless85 I have never heard of it, I will have to see that one.
Jackie Chan and Oscar? Dafuq is with this people
This was actually one scene that was better than the graphic novel, at least Nite Owl is here trying to stop Dr. Manhattan instead of getting with Silk Spectre again. Bros before hoes Daniel!
Agreed, Dan being there just made the scene that much more powerful.
Same here! There's more verbal exchange and you can see that Manhattan doesn't really want to do it. And the change of Rorschach's expressions during all of it make it even more powerful! And, yes, I like Daniel being there rather than getting it on with Laurie. You never know how he reacted to Rorschach's death (or if he even cared) in the book.
ryouko Yeah, Rorschach was the Character with the most depth I felt and the way he died in the graphic novel left me feeling like y'know, he deserved a bit more. He was (to me anyway) one of those rare bottom right of the political spectrum guys and the presence of Nite Owl made me feel like at least there was someone (y'know, with HUMAN emotions) who witnessed him give his life for a cause, that the gesture wasn't in vain.
GoldenJokered Is this the first time Daniel has seen Rorschach's face? If so, that's even more powerful imo. He saw a brief glimpse of his face just before he died.
43tafdSva rews Well, in the movie, he did see Rorschach's face on the news. So when he took the mask off, it was the first time he saw Rorshach's face in person. In the GN, it was very different.
You can tell that Rorschach was the only real one among them.
His moral standard was exacting but I say that every word he said was right, he called out a god on his apathetic hypocrisy and was willing to let humanity make its own choice rather than make it for them.
I love the way Manhattan talks and looks while he's speaking to Rorschach; it's like he's shed his godhood and you can see the human underneath again; his voice is more somber, you can see the pupils in his eyes clearly and when Rorschach says "What's one more body amongst foundations?" he clearly struggles with acting in accordance with a decision that has already been made.
Great acting on display here.
He never had any godhood.
@@Petaurista13 I guess he means the power he has
He can't play god against a non believer.
To Rorschach, Manhattan is a man with mean to an end
Manhattan knows that, if there is a God, he is nothing like him
Just being a lore nerd but perhaps when we see Manhattan freeze time around him and Rorschach, he may have been looking through his timeline for any possible reason they could all still walk away and realizes there isn’t.
RIP the only character in this series I liked.
tHank yoU
agreed
+wreathofpalmaria lol the watchmen graphic novel isnt a series.
boosack summer it's a series of comic books mashed together.
limited series yes.
Rorschach, in the end, was the only one who stood up for the people he so despised. The empathetic, non-sociopath goodies would rather cover up their massacre.
Stuck to his convictions to the very end
We need a Rorschach prequel! A hard R rated film noir detective story, that would be awesome.
Your onto something
That *would* be pretty awesome. But wasn't there going to be a TV show made about a prequel Watchmen series?
+The Smoking Skull Minutemen.
+SiliconBong the only minutemen I've seen is on Disney Channel
Ever heard of Before Watchmen? The one they did for Rorschach wasn't that great in my opinion though
It gives me chills every time I watch him scream "DO IT!"
Ryan A Bilezubub has a devil for inside for me! For me! For me!
Ryan A Ozzy: For the last time, join me or die.
Me: I am not much of a joiner. But, maybe we should.
Nite Owl: Hey! He's trying to take over the world!
Me: So? What's the world going to do for us anyway? It hates us!
Nite Owl: Hey! Get back here!
Me: Hey, Ozzy? Um... I lost my Rorschach. But you can get him back, right?
Ozzy: I can, my dear. Anything you want.
Shia Labeouf couldn't have done it any better
Decades has passed still nothing can beat this masterpiece of "superhero" film
Come back every year to watch this scene.. so emotional
Kind of interesting if you read the comments that the one character everyone likes and admires had no "super" power except his convictions and strength of character. Says something...
Except for Manhattan, no one actually has super powers...
@Gray Au its called entertainment buddy. No one here is talking any shit on real life heros. Nd if they disgust you why watch a video about super heros?
Dr. Manhattan is still interesting. I kind of think of him as a better superman of human origin.
Eh, Canadian Gamer Better? in what sense? He's a terrible person
Gray Au then it sounds like you should t be here watching stuff about SUPER HERO COMICS
Definitely prefer this ending to the comic one. Rorschach deserved a scene like this with more gravity. Damn nightowl just forgets about him in the comicbook.
Nite Owl didn't watch him die in person in the comics... but yeah, the movie take on this was more interesting.
Yeah, I felt always disturbed by Nite Owl reaction in the comic. He prefered banging Laurie than trying to stop Dr Manhattan of killing his partner in the graphic novel.
@@Sergeant_Camacho He had no idea Doc was going to kill Rorschach. He just let his buddy walk off to go freeze in the tundra. At least Doc killed him quicker than the cold would've.
Plus the point was that everyone that decided to put on a costume was an unlikeable, self-centered jerk.
That's the point. Rorschach lives by his principles but he's also a smelly hobo who will murder anyone who he thinks is a bad person. And the end of the book is literally him leaving his journal to see if anyone else will discover it.
@@ischeele7203 best answer
I don’t gaf, this is the best comic book movie to ever fall upon mankind
Man the somber “do it” and then the raging “do it” hits hard. Jackie Earl killed it as Rorschach.
I actually like that Nite Owl mourned his friend's death in the film instead of having sex with Laurie in the graphic novel, i thought that was stupid.
In the book definitely felt more philosophical but in the film more real.
+Joseph Dutra People tend to do unusual things when traumatized. In the movie they basically just seem to forget New York was just blown up and go about their business, barely any moral conundrum whatsoever.
+dylan walsh hear hear !
+Not Cthulhu they knew it was over anyway
stupid? lmao u dont understand shit about the book.
"What's one more body amongst foundations?"
damn, that was deep...
Turned him into a rorschach picture on the floor
Rorschach was by far the most realistic hero out of thousands. From the way he talks, to how he acts, he's seen shit and acts so careless and violent because he's ready for death. When you go through what he's been through, you stop realizing that life is important. As such, he showed no fear in the face of Manhattan. He knew he was going to die the moment he walked out of the door, the quote "Never compromise, not even in the face of Armageddon" has a beautiful double meaning.
1. He always believed that what he did was right at the end of the day, no matter how the ends met. He never compromised or made deals, he stuck with his thoughts.
2. Never beg for mercy. Even in the eyes of the most powerful being in the Watchmen universe, he stared imminent doom in the face without fear. *He was ready to die.*
This shit was sad man
TaZ101SAGA *gives you happy kitten (o.o)
SiliconBong Thanks. I will raise the happy kitten with pride :-)
TaZ101SAGA Guess, what I found some 'United Video dollars' today :)
[Sort of a voucher that has the additional benefit of devalueing at the same rate as normal money]
I rented dark Knight & Watchmen !! *happy days :)
TaZ101SAGA In the new world. Adriands united utopia there is no war and crime will go lower so there is not much wotj for Rorchach since crimefighting is th eonly one keeping him going
This was so sad
I like the fact that the snow started hovering when Dr Manhattan came out
damn i didnt even notice that! nice
Did he freeze time (no pun intended) to settle it with Rorschach independantly from everything else?
Dave Crupel Just his presence alone
"What's one more body amongst the foundations"
That line has stuck out to me because it applies to alot of real world stuff
Such an underrated movie in my opinion . Fantastic characters and visuals.I love how gritty and violent it was. Such a refreshing change to normal superhero movies.And my god that soundtrack🎶❤️
Night Owl has the best "Noooo" in any movie I've ever seen.
"I can change almost anything...
... but I can't change human nature"
- All Time Best
I absolutely love Rorschach.
He's a sick man with deplorable morals, but he sticks to them with such *uncompromising* determination.
I've always loved the little touch of Rorscach shedding his face, finally showing he's done with it all
"I can change almost anything. But I can't change human nature."
God, isn't that the truth?
No god, but that is indeed the truth.
+コカイン quit it
Dozer Vasquez ALLAHU AKBAR
assassinscreed00
**goes outside**
**looks up**
"hey god, how are you?"
"....."
therefore no god,
come to Allah's Gaybar.
+コカイン Your ahegao is weak, you lewd casul
I wish these new DC movies were as good as watchmen.
So... Just as bad?
+Iwan Roberts Marvel fanboy in bound
Haha so not true, I love DC, I just know when to admit when something is bad and the recent DC films and Watchmen are bad. Mainly down to Zack Snyder, I don't like his style, doesn't work for most movies minus 300, which in my opinion is his only good film. So don't accuse me of being a Marvel fanboy when I love both companies, I just have an opinion on the film.
I thought Watchmen was dope. Loved it.
wait for the ultimate cut of bvs. It actually redeems some stuff. Sure it probably won't reach watchmen but at least it gets better
The small details like Dr. Manhattan making the snow stop in mid-air make this scene fantastic. Shows how effortlessly Dr. Manhattan can control things, and yet he still wasn’t able to control Rorschach or stop those cities from being bombed
The casting for this movie was absolutely perfect!
Love Jackie Earle Haley's acting at 2:50. Such desperation against an unstoppable force in Dr. Manhattan. Rorschach is an absolutely great character.
+Mesha Michael Savio was... was a good character
+DuelingNetworkGuy
He still lives on in our hearts!
absolutely agree with you
brilliant
"Suddenly, *you* discover humanity? How convenient."
Meme: "_It's so sad Steve jobs died of ligma_"
_"Who the hell is Steve jobs?"_
*_L I G M A. B A L L S_*
"🅱️"
_"ÑØŒØ!!!!!"_
Never compromise not even in the face of armageddon
+Rorschach You were a great character, truly. I admire your principles.
MARRY ME
Irma Silva NEVER COMPROMISE
+Rorschach I'm yours
+Irma Silva ??? the funk??
This scene sticks out for me because, I think Roarshac did want to die. He was a vigilante for so long and has seen so much, and Veidts recent actions with the killings of millions probably broke him even more. Further worsened by the watchmens agreement to cover it up. He wanted no part in it and knew that they couldn't let him live. So he probably saw this as a way out from the pain and the burden. But at the same time he knew his journal would complete his work. I think he's a tragic hero. But very strong and firm in his beliefs.
Lil Note in the comic the ending was left ambiguos the person he sent the journal to was you the reader so you could choose the ending yourself in your imagination
@@bingitybong6518 it’s the same in the film
It’s not just that though. His concept of justice and morality had become so strong, and at times so dangerous (not here though, completely on point) that he couldn’t bear to even live in a world built on the foundation of an extremely utilitarian approach to ethics. A part of him regretted that that was essentially about to get him killed. But yes, at the end of the day - he was ready.
I agree and I like to think that he wanted to be judged for failing. He failed to save the child and he failed to stop Veidt, thus he failed the ideal that he pledged to. Also see Night Owl so willing to "compromise" he lost his only human connection. I digress but I suffer from depression and anxiety, so Rorschach is very relatable because I understand his rage.
"Complete his work?"
That makes Rorschach sound like Jigsaw now.
After watching this film Rorschach is my favorite super hero of dc and Marvel, the man is just so damn bad ass, i like the nitty gritty tragic superhero types. Pisses me off that he had to die, honestly he was better than every other super hero don’t matter what universe they from, Rorschach is badass
"Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise."
my god...
In the end, he was the only man of Justice on the whole movie. In the country of fake justice and propaganda, Rorschach is the only one who hold into the truth and moral code of whats right and wrong. Thats the thing that change himself into a cruel madmen, but he have the best vision and the wisest among them all.
He was like a typical conspiracy theorist, he want to tell them the truth and die for it.
Rorschach, a dark villain with even darker act. People see him as badass and cool, but thats not all. For me, he is the merely doing what right for humanity and justice.
I agree completely Rorschach was a good example of stoicism sacrifice his own well being for the the benefit of others is truly the greatest aspect of his character. He was truly trying to make a difference in a world of chaos. What the movie shows though is that our world is so corrupt and evil. Ruled by evil humans and many wicked humans who exist in the world. That the true heroes and good guys like Rorschach must die in order to bring even a small beacon of light into the world of utter darkness.
"Stoicism teaches the development of self-control and fortitude as a means of overcoming destructive emotions; the philosophy holds that becoming a clear and unbiased thinker allows one to understand the universal reason (logos). A primary aspect of Stoicism involves improving the individual's ethical and moral well-being: "Virtue consists in a will that is in agreement with Nature."[6] This principle also applies to the realm of interpersonal relationships; "to be free from anger, envy, and jealousy,"[7] and to accept even slaves as "equals of other men, because all men alike are products of nature.""
Each of the Watchmen represent a different moral theory. Rorshach has very Kantian ethics.
Blaze Luminous I agree with you. What's your take on the other Watchmen?
I would come back on what I said to Dylan Fulton and say he isn't right about stoicism. Roeschach saw the world in a Kantic view where one must follow his duty for the greater good, no matter what the losts are.
This show us a lesson: We just can't live by a moral code, because there is no wrong or right. What is wrong for you maybe isn't to another person. You might say: "But everybody knows for example, that killing is wrong". Indeed, even a child knows that. Not because of a moral code, but by a survival instinct.
To me, there is only the BALANCE: CHAOS and ORDER in eternal conflict trying to keep the balance. Rorschach's decision wasn't wrong or right, but chaotic (what doesn't mean it's a good or evil choice). While the Ozymandias's decision was to bring the order at any cost (what doesn't mean it's a good or evil choice). Dr Manhattan decision was to keep the balance, letting the world hate him (chaos) but giving them a reason to unite and avoid a nuclear war (order).
Pick your side, chaos, order or balance?
Rorshach, a true knight even in the face of death. I'll give that. RESPECT
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1:56 Holy shit, all this time I never noticed that Manhattan froze the snow.
I love how he takes of his “face” in his last moments. It really shows how he overcame his apathy in the end
Rorschach is the poor and extreme version of batman, no superpowers bad ass and the voice too xD
Batman doesn't have superpowers
yeah i never said he did have Androvsky
+Androvsky of course he has powers.
synthrone well maybe he has super strength and heightened senses
What superpowers does he have? Besides a very advanced grapel hook( if u count that as a power)..his fighting skills are good and he uses his enviroment like some jason bourne ...but no super powers right?
Even though John felt so out of touch with humans and their emotions, he still struggled to kill Rorschach. In the end, he was still his friend that he’s known for years. This movie was so well made
I need more Rorschach in my life
The guy who looks up to a rapist?
@@GoodBrotherGrimmHe didn't look up to him, he only said he was right about society, read the full comic
Amazing acting and writing. Great story
"I did the right thing, didn't I? Everything worked out in the end?" "In the end? Nothing ends Adrian. Nothing *ever* ends."
I really wish the movie kept this scene. It added a lot of depth to Adrian, showing that he wasn't completely cold and detached.
“Never Compromise. Not even in the face of armageddon.” Such an epic quote!
"never compromise, not even at the face of Armageddon"
Words to live by
"if you cared from the start none of this would've happened" that's gotta be one of the hardest truth bombs I ever heard, Rorschach blames Manhattan, all the terrible shit that's occured is his fault, and you can see that Manhattan is really just broken by that, the realization that he, the closest thing to a god, the most powerful being in existence, failed so terribly
There’s a scene in the director’s cut where Dr. Manhattan and the Comedian are in Vietnam. A pregnant woman confronts the Comedian in a bar after the Vietcong surrender, and tells him that she’s carrying his baby. He basically tells her to go away and she hits him with a bottle. The Comedian shoots her. Dr. Manhattan says “She was pregnant… and you gunned her down.” and the Comedian replies “Yeah. And you watched. You could’ve turned the gun into steam, the bullet to mercury, the bottle into snowflakes… but you didn’t. You’re losing your humanity, doc. God help us all.”
The Comedian called it before anyone else.
One of the best death scenes in cinema history.
No.
Its really not.
I don't agree with you, but it was sadder.
Calm down
yeah, such an emotional masterpiece
Probably, considering how many people were moved by it.
He couldn't break his principles, they were the only thing he had.
“Steve Jobs died of ligma”
“Who the hell is Steve Jobs”
“Ligma balls”
Rorschach has got to have the biggest balls in the known multiverse to walk up to Dr. Manhattan and tell him to get out of the way
Dr. Manhattan, I've come to bargain.
lmao
ProSketch doctor strange😂😂😂😂
bruhhh
NetherBlazed Man This is Suicide Squad
😷😷😷take that Disvel kiddiverse crap at the screen junkie comment section.
The Original DO IT
Sir Buffalo DEW IT
Literally Retarded didnt Palpatine's come out in 2003?
@@zom8680 he means the comics.
This movie is just and literally the best movie in the entire history: passion, love, war, philosophy, racism... all directed in a perfect style.