It’s incredible how many people comment without watching the video. As Linus pointed out, the iMac Pro is actually CHEAPER than the sum of all its internals. And that’s ignoring casing, design, assembly, shipping etc. Also, it’s built in the US, for anyone who cares about that. I know people love to hate Apple, but I think they sometimes deserve some credit.
That single change bumped the iMac Pro's price from $4,999 to $7,399. Next, I chose the 128GB memory option, up from 32GB in the standard configuration. The price was now $9,799. Quadrupling the size of the onboard storage from 1TB to 4TB increased the iMac Pro's price to $12,599.14 Dec 2017
@@COVID--zo3ng you can all so get the same but better pc parts for far less pcie 4 for a start the imac is all ready old tec over priced crap as in crapple
Haxor inator the pencil is having an adapter to charge it with a regular lighting cable now:) and even if not. 15 seconds charging last for 30 minutes sketching.
MacBook Pros and all laptops I believe now - memory soldered onto the motherboard. 21" iMac, no memory access panel. 2013 Mac Pro, memory and SSD upgradable, GPU not upgradable. CPU, a wild lengthy PITA, but upgradable. With the iMac Pro, you'll have to remove the display (void the warranty) if you want to upgrade the memory yourself, you can box it up and hoist to an Apple Store or Authorized Apple service center to have them upgrade your memory - for a nominal fee I'm sure. But yeah. It's upgradable.
the 5k monitor is cheaper on apple side because its an old display and they make it in large quantity im sure if you want to buy replacement parts from apple to build a similar imac pro it will be also more expensive hands down
According to the Federal Trade Commission it's illegal for a company to void your warranty for opening the device, removing "Void if removed" stickers, using 3rd party parts, or having the product serviced by a 3rd party. Companies just say they'll void your warranty for doing all of that because they figure no one has the time, patience, or money to sue them. But it is illegal nonetheless.
The 3D Printing Corner THEY FIXED IT! Alright, Apple wasn't a help at all, they spend incredibly much money, became a motherboard form a contact and got Louis Rossman there, but other then that..... xDD *Irony Off*
Here's the thing on IMac pro. You can shave off 400 bucks off linus listed priced. But not a lot can be changed. CPU: it is a xeon CPU, you can't compare it to consumer ones. It is rated for intense workloads and have support for ECC memory, which most consumer CPU doesn't. RAM: you can't replace ECC memory with normal memory just because it is cheaper. It is not a fair comparison. Screen: the screen used is a 5k screen. And is calibrated for color accuracy and selected for color gamut which a lot of professionals needed, that's why people opted for Eizo screens rather than normal consumer screens. A 4k screen most of you guys listed aren't rated for the same thing. GPU: you can list anything but nvidia GPUs here. Most Apple apps uses OpenCL acceleration, using Nvidia GPUs will lose the benefits. And people said you can't upgrade it. Not all professionals are system builders. They just wanted a workable machine to finish the job. A prebuild like this save them time, they don't have to find all different retailers to solve a problem. To them, 400 500 bucks is worth it compared to the hassle it will take for them to build a system and troubleshoot themselves. Remember, this is NOT a gaming PC.
Oh here we go with the whole Xeon vs. 'consumer' CPUs justification. Many of the same people (working pros and creative agencies) that were buying Mac Pros for their "intense workloads" up until 2015 migrated to the 2015 5K i7 iMac, as it was less expensive and outperformed the 2013 8-core Mac Pro in a LOT of tasks - especially if they were using adobe graphic design and photography applications. If you needed heavily multithreaded tasks for video, animation, rendering, or whatever, then you were SOL and you were stuck with the 8-core Mac Pro of some sort if you weren't willing to leave the Apple ecosystem. But most creative pros didn't seem to have an issue leaving those "pro level" Xeon CPUs for 'consumer' CPUs to do the same work they were doing on Mac Pro. Also, there were also a lot of creative Pro who left the Mac Pros for MacBook Pros - and just plugged them into a 27" display. Again, consumer grade mobile components to take their work with them. The same goes with the RAM. So with that, to me, if "the real world people using these machines in real world work environments" migrated from Xeon Mac Pros to i5 and i7 iMacs to do the same work with zero issues, then it's definitely valid to compare Xeon workstations to non-xeon workstations performing the same tasks and workloads. And because I was willing to make such a comparison for my “professional workstation”, I bought and built an 8-core 7820x system that does the same work as my old 2009 Mac Pro, only far faster and more efficiently, and I only spent $2,100 USD vs. $4,000 on a 2013 8-core Mac Pro that would have given me an marginal performance boost. And since I already have a good 27" color accurate display (which doesn’t NEED to be 5K for my work), I didn't feel I needed to pony up $5,000 for the iMac Pro -- but I can still do the same work on my workstation as I could on any Mac with or without a Xeon CPU. Even if I spent $1,500 on 5K display, it would still only cost me $3,600, which is only $300 more on a BTO 5K i7 iMac with 32GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD. Or $1,400 less than an iMac Pro with similar specs. YMMV, but I'm glad I switched to PC. No buyers remorse whatsoever.
Why can't they put some on the bottom? it's not a logic decision, it's them being lazy as hell. Seriously, they didn't even try. it's like, what happens to then actually being good at design? come on.
@@sriramsundar8388 yes, they're not lazy. They just place design over function. It just should look great even if it's unpractical af. P.S. Smh this logic isn't applied to iPhones though.
LTT makes okay reviews. Just like how I know there's better PC component reviewers with more detailed and useful information, I imagine there's better Apple product reviewers too.
SlavjanA If LTT was a 1-3 man operation, then thats fine, but LTT is a 18 (last I heard) operation, so the total lack of effort that goes into these reviews is unacceptable. You think 5 minutes of googling would be an easy task, but nope, they gotta rush the video so theirs time for their editors to edit and render the 8k footage so they can upload it to floatplane 2 weeks before youtube
The air flow would not function as shown. Hot air rises, and the fans on the bottom are angled outward due to the hinge, this means that the airflow is low to high which is the desired result. Not cyclical as depicted.
Arpit Jain there is if you consider that the iMac pro lives in a 3D universe and not in the 2D image that Linus showed. Yes, the fans do point to the stand, but it’s a really thin stand.
Not sure why the comment on not using FirePro gpu's anymore. There are no FirePro gpu's anymore unless I'm mistaken. It's Radeon and Radeon Pro now. AMD only makes a single Vega gpu for professional use and desktop use. There's zero difference at the silicon level. This is the Radeon Pro Vega 56. It's the modern equivalent of what AMD used to call FirePro.
You forgot a key point. Serviceability. If your a professional and need the workstation if any part fails you need to go to a service centre. Other workstations from HP or Dell you can replace parts yourself to keep you going. Apple you have to be down for 7-14 days. Could any company be down for upto 14 days with out a key part of the business
If only doing a hackintosh build would transform an older dell touchpad into an Apple touchpad. That's the one thing I truly give Apple credit for... Superb touchpad.
Challenge to Linus: i) Can you build fully DIY Server rack without any other companies help. ii) Can you build a special server rack mount PC case for this DIY rack without the help of companies like Protocase. (Hint: You can use mid-tower/full-tower PC cases horizontally with some modifications as rack mount case.) *The one who agree this challenge should reply or like this comment
With the way industry is moving it may as well become a good old memory in a few years. Soon the fashion will reach AIO, and along with donglephones and donglebooks we will have donglemacs too.
Great review! I would however prefer a little more thermal throttling rather than more fan noise. But I record in the same room sometimes, so less fan noise it more important than raw power.
Doesn't Radeon Pro just replace the name of Firepro under macOS? It has twice the HBM2 of the regular Vega 64 part, which is pretty much all that differentiated the pro model apart from drivers under Windows. For a standalone card the closest approximate would be the WX9100.
Yea I've seen "infinity edge" bezels on dells which sacrifice everything for nothing, as there is a gap and a weird fall back effect thanks to the design sacrifices made. Bezels are fine, and have saved more than a few monitors during shipping and other carelessness.
Just leaving this comment here. I want to come back in 2 years when Apple still hasn't updated the hardware on the iMac Pro and are still selling it with outdated hardware for $5k. See you guys in 2020.
If you see their twitter feed they have the iMac Pro disassembled. My guess is that they were either taking it apart or putting it back together and broke the screen and the unit fell - damaging the power supply.
There's just NAND under those EMI shields on the two sticks, there's one controller on the T2, so I'm not sure that can be called a RAID 0. On a regular RAID, each drive would have a drive controller, this is more like a split SSD.
Pretty cool, but I think my next Mac will be a hackintosh, I don’t know if anyone has taken notice but over the last 2 years or so it’s gotten a lot simpler to build one, in terms of compatible hardware and reliable support. Nvidia has drivers out now, so you can throw in a 1080 Ti in it. You can use AMD Ryzen CPUs reliably etc. Plus it’s always more fun to build your own system. Also, people please stop complaining about how tired you are or how early it is. If you wanna sleep then go damn well sleep, nobody’s forcing you to watch this right now.
I would strongly go against a Hackintosh for an everyday computer. It's not really stable, every update is a pain in the ass. You would be better with Windows or Linux. If you want so much for apple and for cheap, get a Mac Mini.
Fantasticxbox it’s not for use as my main machine, more of a project, I want to build a powerful system with the option of running macOS, the only really demanding applications I use is Autodesk Revit and it only runs on Windows anyways, so for my plan to use it as a rendering station as well as for light gaming is all in a windows environment which is fine. The thing is that macOS is my personal OS of choice, I find it more elegant and user friendly, and it suits my workflow best. Widows just irritates me, I only use it when I have to which is basically only for Revit. But if I’m going to build a system I’d like to take a crack at making it a hackintosh, that way if it does turn out to be reliable on macOS it could possibly be used as my main machine. The reliability and support has gotten a lot better than ever before, and anyone’s mileage may vary depending on the specific hardware they choose. You should check out Snazzy Labs channel, he has a few cool builds and Dom Esposito has my build of choice, he built it inside a PowerMac G5 case which is my plan. But like I said, it’s not for my main machine, I’m still pretty well sorted for now, I already have a maxed out late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro and it still runs beautifully and should still give me many more years. I also have a 2010 Mac mini from before, I’ve installed macOS server on it and I’ve connected a bunch of drives to it, I use it for a file server, a time machine backup system and for downloading large files and stuff like that, it also still runs flawlessly. Anyways enough of me babbling, what I’m saying is that my computing needs are already pretty much solid for a good few more years, this is just a sort of extra project that I want to take on and see where it goes. Also, as much as I adore my old Mac mini, anyone would be silly to buy one in 2018, it’s too expensive for what you get. Hopefully this year Apple revives the Mac mini and makes it great again.
in my opinion, the OS is the entire problem with macs, i would rather have a mac modded with windows or linux (a windhacks or a linhax?) than a hackintosh
The macOS is far superior to Windows. I have used various different operating systems before settling on macOS in 2007 -- and if there was something better I would go for it. I have used: Windows, OS/2, Coherent, IBM DOS, MS DOS, Windows NT, Windows 95/98, Windows XP the Windows 7, as well as a Sun Sparcstation running SunOS or Solaris as well as Linux -- at home. (I am sure I have missed a few). I am not a gamer, I do enterprise development work and I do from time dabble/play around with Xcode - but nothing serious (nothing that would lock me into macOS). I do support Windows 10 for my parents -- which I find a nasty mess. Day to day at home I use macOS, but also have a Linux server at home. I would not recommend building or using a Hackintosh for professional purposes, it just is not worth it. If it is a hobby machine -- then sure -- go ahead and play.
"Upgradable" And yet still has a glued screen and proprietary SSDs (fucking why?). Also, like you said on the WAN show, they're providing shit support for it. Also, thermal throttling. And why the FUCK would they remove Target Display mode and video input ports?! Also, sometimes the higher-CPU specced iMacs have different mobos or coolers, so upgrading to a higher model of CPU may not work as well as if you had just bought it with that CPU in the first place.
Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname the higher spec’d iMac Pros do not have different mobos or cooling solutions. The display is not glued on? It’s magnetically attached and is made to pop off and pop right back in. Target Display Mode is really irritating, I hope it comes back, but I think Apple doesn’t see any reason to bring it back unfortunately. The SSDs are proprietary but upgradeable and they’re fast. So I don’t now why the proprietary aspect is an issue. Also “shit support” I wouldn’t say that. I haven’t heard of any bad support cases. And they’re still much better then the support you’d get from either building your own workstation, or from companies like Dell or HP.
John Wick I call bullshit. That thing is definitely glued shut, like every other iMac ever. Just because everything isn’t soldered people go around saying it’s modular and upgradeable. The new Mac Pro will be modular and user upgrade able, not this one. I wouldn’t expect Apple to repair it anyway. If I was apple and asked only one thing from the consumer, to not open the damn case, AND HE DOES IT ANYWAY I’d be pretty pissed too.
John Wick+ apple hasn't had a magnetically detachable display since 2010, also there is glue residue on the edges of the thing when they opened it. and if the display was magnetically attached then how can apple void the warranty when you open it if they never find out that you opened it? the only way they can tell is if they notice the factory glue is gone.
I'm still wondering what settings LTT uses for the Blender BMW benchmark because, at default settings (which is what you're supposed to use in order to compare results with other users), my $1000 laptop's CPU beats this $5000 Mac's CPU. My time is 3:46 on version 2.79 at default settings.
Linus did a video earlier showing that the same benchmark on identical pc/mac configurations always runs much better on Windows, because of the more open access Windows gives to its hardware. OSX is more indirect and insulated, it was programmed more for experience than performance. Which is valid too, but then why does Apple also make "pro" lines lol
Of my 2 PC's, my desktop and laptop, my desktop has an i5 6500 and my laptop has an i7 7700HQ. My i5 got a time of 5:07 and my i7 got, as stated, 3:46, both at default settings on version 2.79. My confusion as to the settings LTT tests at arise from videos like "Should YOU Upgrade to Ryzen?" where the Ryzen 7 1700 got a time of 5:40, and there's no way my i5 outclasses that CPU.
What exactly IS “the issue” with blender? It is mentioned but never elaborated... If anyone knows, whether first hand, or can point me to a... more informative source, it would be quite helpful; appreciated!
Personally, I don't care much for a monitor as long as it's big enough, accurate enough, and sharp enough. $1700 for a 27" monitor is absolutely insane to me. You could literally build a whole nother mid to high end pc for that cost. With the rate of tech development, this computer would be considered out of date in roughly 5 years, less if you are one of those "professionals" that require the absolute best hardware. Literally the whole $5k is down the drain with nearly zero options for reusing components (unless you want to continue using the atrocious included mouse and keyboard).
It's worth noting that the "FirePro" cards in the previous Mac Pro were actually HD7x00 cards with custom drivers and their names changed in the BIOS (hence why Hackintoshes of the time showed 280X cards as D700s, because they were just 6GB HD7970/280X cards). So if Apple wanted they could ask AMD to unlock more Vega compute features in the OSX drivers.
FYI if anyone in the US is near a MicroCenter store you can get a Base model iMac Pro for $1,000 off for $3,999. Some people have even gotten Best Buy to do Price matching. It's an in store only sale/pickup though.
6:43 that animation is wrong, though the airflow *might* go down (which is actually going perpendicular of the screen), due to lower density of warm air, it will always tend to go up.
I'm not sure, but I think the manufacturer apple buys their displays from don't support freesync. Plus, its for productivity and freesync is mostly for gaming.
TheCatOfWar+ yeah it's a professional workstation with a piss poor cooling system and a lack of upgradeability. professionals don't use macs, professional wannabes use macs. "oh look at me l use final cut pro for my youtube channel l am such a professional."
I'm surprised you didn't try Macs Fan Control www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control (which as an OSX and windows installer)to see if the CPU temps would be more comfortable. All macs I've ever used have this same issue of keeping their fans as quiet as possible ALL THE TIME! The only work-around is to control the speeds manually as apple fan curves are always set to quiet mode by default.
Yea airflow is not water, and regardless of any of that, air would not flow that way... hot air always rises. Simple thermodynamic that makes air balloons float. This video looks like the heat is traveling like a laser ray lol Here: www.macworld.com/article/3199549/macs/imac-pro-features-faq-pricing-specs-release.html First, the vents are down left and down right, not straight out the back. Second, there's no way in hell even if it was straight out the back it would follow the path in this video to the front of the machine. As a mac and PC guy, I would expect you guys not to throw bullshit out... maybe I should just make some honest videos.
So long as you don't actually want to do anything with it, yeah. Basic settings and user config options are very heavily obfuscated for seemingly no reason. It makes it unnecessarily hard to use.
I can see were people coming from the PC side have a hard time using Apple's UI, for it took me a while to get used to after spending 30+ years on the PC side. What I basically found is Apple is basically the opposite of Windows. What's bottom is now up ad what is let is now right. Windows also doesn't like popping up redundant windows where Apple opens them up like it's some kind of symphony. LOL
+John Pepp Nah, I don’t really get that tbh. I used Windows for about ten years (and sometimes Linux), and when I switched to Mac, it was just wonderful from the start. The UI is just so clear about everything, and very consistent, where in Windows 10 you have like 5 different right-click-menus. It’s way easier to use in comparison to Windows, which you really have to learn. I guess the reason people are having trouble with it is that most have learned Windows for years and years because it usually was the first system they had.
These seem like workstations for places like animation studios, video editors, or CAD users. ECC plays a massive part there, and GPUs just need to be validated (rendering is on a dedicated box) but the Vega 56 is still powerful enough to preview.
People don't seem to realise that apple programs like final cut fully utilises the Vegas computer performance unlike Adobe premiere. The Vega 56 compute performance is also much higher than the same priced Nvidia counter part, this is just not used in games
For a primary monitor a cheopo AOC 1080p 22" display is sweet enough. Just let me swap the video card to match Freesync or Gsync and to choose whether or not I need double precision. Personally I run a FX 8150 / GTX 960. I can transcode 60 minutes of 720p ~4000kbps .OGG to HEVC 800kbps in ~10 hours in Handbrake, in the summer I can smell the burning dust and solder. Since the Spectre Windows Update Asus AI Suite 2 no longer works so no more fan profiles until I remember what I used to rely on on... fanspeed.exe or some shit, that was years ago.
I remember when Macs werent soldered. When it let everyone in the room know you were ballin by blaring an inception-esque bwaaaaaaah. Those were the days
Ah yes and when you had a PowerMac G4 MDD starting to ramp up its fans to achieve vacuum cleaner noise levels which were only bearable by working with headphones. Writing this on a still upgradeable Mac Pro 4.1 flashed to 5.1 ;).
While I would too prefer something like a Titan XP for efficiency reasons in an enclosed space, there's 3 reasons why that woudn't make sense: 1. Vega GPUs though mediocre at gaming, excel at compute performance (aka mining), and Apple has spent years fine tuning macOS kernel and driver parameters for GCN 2. Vega is also a very incredibly efficient architecture, just not at higher clockspeeds/voltages, as evidenced by all the APUs and GL. Apple's Pro Vegas are likely to be binned. Desktop Vegas are effectively overclocked reference models, as they weren't nearly fast enough to beat Pascal at gaming, and probably never will be. 2. Nvidia drivers on Linux and Unix-based systems (except Windows, which is technically Unix based too) sucks balls. The famous Torvalds "Fuck you nvidia" comes to mind.
The dollar-for-bollar comparison PC is really just built to be more expensive. The H115i is by no means comparable with Intel's cooling solution. The Corsair Strafe is a very expensive and a much better keyboard than Apple's packed in Peripherals. The video card also seems to be a choice made to inflate the price of the comparison system. There are cheaper comparable video cards even with the massive inflation cause by Crypto Mining.
This is what I was going to say. I just don't know why Linus chose parts to inflate the price. The monitor is a CLEAR choice to inflate the price when there are loads of 4k monitors and even 5k monitors at half the price (or less).
What 5k monitors have similar colour accuracy to the mac's for half the price? 5k is a big deal for some people because you can edit native 4k footage with room for the timeline etc. I agree with the rest of what OP said though.
+Ryan-Beats What's the point of that? real setups for video editing and the like use a minimum of three monitors, this 5 K nonsense is stupid, just to make it seem like it's ahead of what Windows can do, and it's gimping that poor vega 56 even harder, it's already a card that can't really handle 4K.
LUL ITS NOT EVEN 200HZ... I CAN'T PLAY CS:GO ON IT XD!!!.. This is a computer for creative professionals in the entertainment industry, not gaming. 99% of the people commenting don't seem to realize that.
@@foxikira its really stupid actually pcs arent only for gaming but also for productivity like imacs its just that they have more capabilities for gaming so stfu
@Grahamhg sorry but you are totally wrong macs are great for "video" editing windows too ,CAD in the industry windows is standard equipment almost 85 to 90% of marketshare. Even for car tuning and repairing there are so many software available on windows I can't even mention all of them. Yes windows is open source and I don't know why people install it on apple devices even microsoft office , simply to show you that you can criticise windows all the time but at the end of the day macos isn't prefect either
Thanks for the review Linus. This is the very exact reason why we got the iMAC Pro while trying to build our Hardware. Not to mention the overprice GFX cards that you can't even find nowadays. Cheers, K-Dragon
That "airflow" at 6:44 is silly, the hot air rises. The air won't ever reach the bottom, because the cold air is to dense. I wouldn't say it's good design, but it's nothing like the animation. The back might get hot, but it won't suck in hot air.
Xavier Rodrigues well, apple isnt like that anymore and is just a pile of overpriced garbage. there is people in this world who would probably buy a rock from apple just because of the brand...
I'm not talking about how great Steve Jobs was for saying that or whatever, I'm saying that we should remember that quote. What's the point of fighting over a brand? All I want is faster computers for less, that doesn't have many issues. PC manufacturers are better at the first thing, and Apple is better (although they have gotten worse recently) at the second thing.
for 25+ years, I thought this as I worked on Macs. From school, throughout my graphic design and photography career, all the way up to November 2017, when I didn't feel like Apple was building the workstation I wanted. Basically, a easy user upgradable non-xeon mini (or mid) tower with 6 or 8 cores. Basically stacking 3 Mac Mini's on top of each other, stuffing in a 6 or 8 core i7 CPU with 32GB of RAM, dual NVMe slots and a 2.5" internal drive, with a Radeon RX 580 GPU. It should cost nothing more than $1,800 with the 6-core CPU. I had never used Windows before, and built my own PC in December, installed Windows 10, and it runs like a dream. 7820x 32GB RAM 250GB SSD Boot drive 4TB storage drive 8GB Radeon RX 580 NZXT Kraken x52 CPU cooler EBGA 750w power supply Fractal Design Meshify C case $2,100 The only thing I miss is "columns view" in the folders. Beyond that, I can do everything on this workstation that I could do on my Xeon processor Mac Pro. But wildly faster and more efficiently. A 2013 Mac Pro would have cost me $6,000 last January (nearly 4 years later), and it would have cost me $5,000 in November....for a nearly 5 year old machine. If I felt I absolutely needed a xeon CPU with ECC memory, I might have considered staying with Apple and waiting for the Modular Mac Pro.
Luka Dobrilović the Rock part is definetly true but at the same time, there are a lot of people that, Even if Apple made the Perfect pc for them at a fair Price Point, Wouldnˋt but It because it has an Apple on the back
You’re correct, it’s very childish to fight over it. I have my pc for gaming an$ my Mac for work. People forget that these computers are usually not used for the same reasons.
I feel like the brightness in your latest videos hasn't been turned on too much, or maybe it's just the lighting. I keep trying to turn up my brightness on my computer. But good video though :)
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Linus: Today episode brought to you by...
Me: Tunnelbear!!! Synergy!!, Freshbook!!
Linus: ....Us!!!!
Me: What?
exactly what i commented
No one is going to willingly sponsor mac that's why. There's no market for it.
LOL same
what XD have you seen any high end production studio? companies use only macs lol
It is sponsored by Freshbooks, see the end...
It’s incredible how many people comment without watching the video. As Linus pointed out, the iMac Pro is actually CHEAPER than the sum of all its internals. And that’s ignoring casing, design, assembly, shipping etc. Also, it’s built in the US, for anyone who cares about that. I know people love to hate Apple, but I think they sometimes deserve some credit.
That single change bumped the iMac Pro's price from $4,999 to $7,399. Next, I chose the 128GB memory option, up from 32GB in the standard configuration. The price was now $9,799. Quadrupling the size of the onboard storage from 1TB to 4TB increased the iMac Pro's price to $12,599.14 Dec 2017
Now you can get that for 5k used
@@COVID--zo3ng you can all so get the same but better pc parts for far less pcie 4 for a start the imac is all ready old tec over priced crap as in crapple
@@mikespikeey4625 yes
That charging port under the mouse tho...
Andrei Galvez I've heard it gets a days charge in 90 seconds and a full charge lasts over a month, so it's not a huge issue imo.
What? Don't you browse the web by sliding your finger under the mouse sensor? /s
They’ve done great things, but also humiliating things.
Don’t forget how to charge the Apple Pen (;
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Haxor inator the pencil is having an adapter to charge it with a regular lighting cable now:) and even if not. 15 seconds charging last for 30 minutes sketching.
yeah......
*Image all the barrels you can stack in Crysis with this one!!*
You could say that this Mac will BARREL through that test.
None.
Crysis doesn't run on Macs.
Vyor Generic Last Name Crysis runs on Macs with Boot Camp.
this 8 core xeon is only as fast as the r7 1800x, if u don't mind i rather go stacking with ryzen or threadripper :D
Only 3. On my toaster you can stack 4
Apple making a system with upgradable hardware?
Did I warp into a parallel dimension!?
you can change memory on an imac , mac pro was upgradable, mac pro tower was very upgradable . jeez
in fact, every Mac Pro and PowerMac was completely upgradeable until recent years.
MacBook Pros and all laptops I believe now - memory soldered onto the motherboard. 21" iMac, no memory access panel. 2013 Mac Pro, memory and SSD upgradable, GPU not upgradable. CPU, a wild lengthy PITA, but upgradable.
With the iMac Pro, you'll have to remove the display (void the warranty) if you want to upgrade the memory yourself, you can box it up and hoist to an Apple Store or Authorized Apple service center to have them upgrade your memory - for a nominal fee I'm sure.
But yeah. It's upgradable.
I'm making all memes on my MacBook pro mid2012 😂😂😂
MrCatFace 8885 *opposite
I NEED TO FUCKIN SLEEP LINUS
THEN GO TO FUKIN SLEEP
Christian Wiles Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .
I want to sleep but I'm in a school :(
Christian Wiles same
Christian Wiles lol its 16:30 now where i am xD
My computers fans turn on when using google earth...
Jack Flittner my computer fans turn on when running the Windows Desktop Experience
Damn, you lucky bastards... My computer's fans turn on immediately after I push my power button...
Nub93 Dude, did you really just made a serious responce to a joke?
/r/wooosh
/r/iamverysmart
People tend to forget to add 5k monitor to the price/performance when comparing iMac t oPC build.
the 5k monitor is cheaper on apple side because its an old display and they make it in large quantity im sure if you want to buy replacement parts from apple to build a similar imac pro it will be also more expensive hands down
The normal iMac has
Retina 5K Display
and cost $1,799.00
apple selling the monitor for less than 1000$.
@@carholic-sz3qv It's a high quality LG panel, it's expensive, it's modern, it's what you expect from a professional monitor.
Lucky but this iMac pro has a professionally color graded 5k display... don’t know where you got 4K from, but ok...
Lucky that’s literally not the fucking point buddy
Microsoft: BUT CAN YOU DO THIIIIIIS?
*turns the surface studio into horizontal mode*
yellow bat Surface studio is fucking cool
Wholesome
"hey it's only $4999"
The studio is the underpowered, overpriced device Apple should have made...
as an apple user i like the idea behind the surface studio
Did you mention: unrepairable?
6:57 «Now, Apple may officially void your warranty-»
It's already void. xD
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According to the Federal Trade Commission it's illegal for a company to void your warranty for opening the device, removing "Void if removed" stickers, using 3rd party parts, or having the product serviced by a 3rd party.
Companies just say they'll void your warranty for doing all of that because they figure no one has the time, patience, or money to sue them. But it is illegal nonetheless.
If you watch the most recent LTT video on this machine, he isn't talking not repairable under warranty, he is talking not repairable.
now I know why corsair replaced my psu unit despite having removed the sticker
The 3D Printing Corner THEY FIXED IT! Alright, Apple wasn't a help at all, they spend incredibly much money, became a motherboard form a contact and got Louis Rossman there, but other then that..... xDD
*Irony Off*
Here's the thing on IMac pro.
You can shave off 400 bucks off linus listed priced. But not a lot can be changed.
CPU: it is a xeon CPU, you can't compare it to consumer ones. It is rated for intense workloads and have support for ECC memory, which most consumer CPU doesn't.
RAM: you can't replace ECC memory with normal memory just because it is cheaper. It is not a fair comparison.
Screen: the screen used is a 5k screen. And is calibrated for color accuracy and selected for color gamut which a lot of professionals needed, that's why people opted for Eizo screens rather than normal consumer screens. A 4k screen most of you guys listed aren't rated for the same thing.
GPU: you can list anything but nvidia GPUs here. Most Apple apps uses OpenCL acceleration, using Nvidia GPUs will lose the benefits.
And people said you can't upgrade it. Not all professionals are system builders. They just wanted a workable machine to finish the job. A prebuild like this save them time, they don't have to find all different retailers to solve a problem.
To them, 400 500 bucks is worth it compared to the hassle it will take for them to build a system and troubleshoot themselves.
Remember, this is NOT a gaming PC.
Paris Sanfasteryler well said.
Real answer: dont buy a mac for work
But for real you can get a computer great for heavy work loads for half the price or less im pretty sure you dont need the xeon with fiew exceptions
Oh here we go with the whole Xeon vs. 'consumer' CPUs justification.
Many of the same people (working pros and creative agencies) that were buying Mac Pros for their "intense workloads" up until 2015 migrated to the 2015 5K i7 iMac, as it was less expensive and outperformed the 2013 8-core Mac Pro in a LOT of tasks - especially if they were using adobe graphic design and photography applications.
If you needed heavily multithreaded tasks for video, animation, rendering, or whatever, then you were SOL and you were stuck with the 8-core Mac Pro of some sort if you weren't willing to leave the Apple ecosystem.
But most creative pros didn't seem to have an issue leaving those "pro level" Xeon CPUs for 'consumer' CPUs to do the same work they were doing on Mac Pro.
Also, there were also a lot of creative Pro who left the Mac Pros for MacBook Pros - and just plugged them into a 27" display. Again, consumer grade mobile components to take their work with them.
The same goes with the RAM.
So with that, to me, if "the real world people using these machines in real world work environments" migrated from Xeon Mac Pros to i5 and i7 iMacs to do the same work with zero issues, then it's definitely valid to compare Xeon workstations to non-xeon workstations performing the same tasks and workloads.
And because I was willing to make such a comparison for my “professional workstation”, I bought and built an 8-core 7820x system that does the same work as my old 2009 Mac Pro, only far faster and more efficiently, and I only spent $2,100 USD vs. $4,000 on a 2013 8-core Mac Pro that would have given me an marginal performance boost. And since I already have a good 27" color accurate display (which doesn’t NEED to be 5K for my work), I didn't feel I needed to pony up $5,000 for the iMac Pro -- but I can still do the same work on my workstation as I could on any Mac with or without a Xeon CPU.
Even if I spent $1,500 on 5K display, it would still only cost me $3,600, which is only $300 more on a BTO 5K i7 iMac with 32GB of RAM and a 500GB SSD. Or $1,400 less than an iMac Pro with similar specs.
YMMV, but I'm glad I switched to PC. No buyers remorse whatsoever.
word man, word.
"Thermals aside, I think it's pretty magical..."
*"...PRETTY MAGICAL..."* -Linus Sebastian
MasterCrafter3 kiss ass
They should try “SMC fan control” that’s how I keep my trash can from overheating when I use it out in the summer heat...yes I really do that
"Thermals aside..." -Linus Sebastian
Cory Schulthies yes you dooooo lol
MasterCrafter
8:50 Yo Apple, where's my new bin at?
WickedRibbon you so wicked
+Abdullah Jimmy
You so jimmy
PixelStudios you so pixel
iBin
Lid sold separately
Placing The ports behind the imac is a logic choice. It looks pretty clean in my opinion
Why can't they put some on the bottom? it's not a logic decision, it's them being lazy as hell.
Seriously, they didn't even try. it's like, what happens to then actually being good at design? come on.
@@sriramsundar8388 yes, they're not lazy. They just place design over function. It just should look great even if it's unpractical af.
P.S. Smh this logic isn't applied to iPhones though.
Upgradable? Trying to remove that screen is like trying to fillet a fish as/more perfect than Gordon Ramsey.
I think they broke their iMac by doing that :D
😂😂😂
The screen can be remove relatively easy with the right too. Or a razor blade.
L HK Or a laser cutter
Marcus Harrington Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .
This is how I know LTT makes good reviews. Apple made a good product and they told us about it. Big respect.
apples products "aren't bad", its just their business models ruin the company
LTT makes okay reviews.
Just like how I know there's better PC component reviewers with more detailed and useful information, I imagine there's better Apple product reviewers too.
SlavjanA If LTT was a 1-3 man operation, then thats fine, but LTT is a 18 (last I heard) operation, so the total lack of effort that goes into these reviews is unacceptable. You think 5 minutes of googling would be an easy task, but nope, they gotta rush the video so theirs time for their editors to edit and render the 8k footage so they can upload it to floatplane 2 weeks before youtube
James Mastroianni pretty sure all time sensitive stuff is a simultaneous upload and also it’s never been two weeks
Look up Dave Lee's channel. His review is a lot better in explanation to the viewer
The air flow would not function as shown. Hot air rises, and the fans on the bottom are angled outward due to the hinge, this means that the airflow is low to high which is the desired result. Not cyclical as depicted.
Joel Pederson yes hot air rises but there is no place to get up and it get reflected back as shown in video.
you dont jnow physics arent you
Arpit Jain there is if you consider that the iMac pro lives in a 3D universe and not in the 2D image that Linus showed. Yes, the fans do point to the stand, but it’s a really thin stand.
Since it uses thunderbolt 3, could an external gpu be possible?
9:00 question answered
Apple will just lock you out of using an external box to FORCE you to buy another computer.
Trijiv during the keynote for there latest OS they announced that the OS would fully support external gpus.
Trijiv no stupid. People have been using egpus with MacBook pros for years
Price Burnett they never specified aftermarket gpus or apple certified gpu.
People can't seem to tell the difference between expensive and overpriced.
CoDMontageRadio didn’t linus just explain that it isn’t?
CoDMontageRadio Dumb
CoDMontageRadio Dumb shit its not overpriced Iphones are overpriced
it makes it expensive not overpriced. You don't need the part but it doesn't make it overpriced.
Blame Intel, not Apple. The IMac pro itself isn't overpriced, but the components are expensive, the w-2145 is 1k+ by its own.
>2018
>display has bezels exactly the same size as my 2003 lcd monitor
At the library at my college trying to finish a C++ assignment at 3:04 AM and see linus drops a video.... well ok then
matthew han Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .
matthew han DON'T FORGET THE SEMICOLON!
:)
Your college lets you use the library at 3 AM?
All college library's are not 24 hours?
rajesh koothrappali my college library closes at 3 am for students. We are a city campus.
Woah
Apple makes computers!?
What's a computer?
For a couple more years.
Mind blown.
Killer 737 a fruit and not a tech company.
Thought it was compoopter. Wows!
Not sure why the comment on not using FirePro gpu's anymore. There are no FirePro gpu's anymore unless I'm mistaken. It's Radeon and Radeon Pro now. AMD only makes a single Vega gpu for professional use and desktop use. There's zero difference at the silicon level. This is the Radeon Pro Vega 56. It's the modern equivalent of what AMD used to call FirePro.
Eric Wright amd's professional gpu right now are radeon pro WX-es. The vega pro 56 used in the imac pros are frontier based.
And are a massive limitation in anything that needs certified drivers
You forgot a key point. Serviceability.
If your a professional and need the workstation if any part fails you need to go to a service centre.
Other workstations from HP or Dell you can replace parts yourself to keep you going. Apple you have to be down for 7-14 days.
Could any company be down for upto 14 days with out a key part of the business
a video sponsored by Lin-US?!!
well, that sure took some courage! I mean..0:36
Wow an actual unbiased review of a Mac from Linus. Kudos Bro.
you should do a hackintosh build and compare it with this iMac......it would be fun to watch
He did with server class comparisons , Didn't he?
If only doing a hackintosh build would transform an older dell touchpad into an Apple touchpad. That's the one thing I truly give Apple credit for... Superb touchpad.
Hariharan Balasubramanian Hackintosh is illegal... not for pros
volvo09 The MacBook Pro touchpad is simply the best best touchpad that exists right now.
not really illegal if you can download the OS from App Store.
Linus, that voice over comment is too real! I can't listen to this video with headphones, it feels too tinny :(
Flora espieacailly 1:28 onwards
His voice is very "Elear"ing through my headphones.
maybe you need a new headphone or soundcard ? @Flora
Linus' voice in Canada makes dogs in China howl in pain.
LUL. you are the only one with this problem... maybe its not the vid problem... that i will say with....
Challenge to Linus:
i) Can you build fully DIY Server rack without any other companies help.
ii) Can you build a special server rack mount PC case for this DIY rack without the help of companies like Protocase.
(Hint: You can use mid-tower/full-tower PC cases horizontally with some modifications as rack mount case.)
*The one who agree this challenge should reply or like this comment
*wOAh A hEaDPhOnE JaCK iN 2017*
2018*
Headphone jack jokes are getting old already. It like started in late 2015.
Late 2016* the iPhone 7 came out in 2016.
With the way industry is moving it may as well become a good old memory in a few years. Soon the fashion will reach AIO, and along with donglephones and donglebooks we will have donglemacs too.
poppet pala do people still care about headphone jacks
You missed the point of the Vega 64 upgrade. It also doubles the VRAM to 16GB, making it basically a frontier edition.
5:54 what music is that? just remember hearing it way back when i was a kid
But can it run Crysis?!
WannaDJ Nope
it can
Deadpixelator Its really old so it cannot
WannaDJ yes at 30000fps
Who cares about crysis???
Can it run MineCraft in 4k 60 fps then everything else does not matter the slightest...
I thought the vega pro is a workstation gpu?
Vega is consumer
Vega Pro is Workstation
Great review! I would however prefer a little more thermal throttling rather than more fan noise. But I record in the same room sometimes, so less fan noise it more important than raw power.
Doesn't Radeon Pro just replace the name of Firepro under macOS? It has twice the HBM2 of the regular Vega 64 part, which is pretty much all that differentiated the pro model apart from drivers under Windows. For a standalone card the closest approximate would be the WX9100.
tipoomaster basically yes
expensive, but i guess not relatively expensive.
EXACTLY!
2008 called, they want their bezels back.
Who the fuck cares?
The computer is in the screen.. dummy.
Brawndo the computer parts is behind the screen
In the same enclosure then.
Yea I've seen "infinity edge" bezels on dells which sacrifice everything for nothing, as there is a gap and a weird fall back effect thanks to the design sacrifices made. Bezels are fine, and have saved more than a few monitors during shipping and other carelessness.
I thought Dennis was writing directly on the table for a second...
Just leaving this comment here. I want to come back in 2 years when Apple still hasn't updated the hardware on the iMac Pro and are still selling it with outdated hardware for $5k. See you guys in 2020.
linus at 8:30 why with the "equivalent hardware" are you putting a titan xp and comparing that to be came as rx vega 56?????
but how did u guys break the psu and screen?
If you see their twitter feed they have the iMac Pro disassembled. My guess is that they were either taking it apart or putting it back together and broke the screen and the unit fell - damaging the power supply.
It’s 3am and I gotta wake up in 4 hours. But oh well
Huntson RUclips don't want you to sleep.
For me it's 6:51 but fuck it who needs to sleep anyway.
Lol same
It's 11:07
Wake up, 4 hours passed since you commented
There's just NAND under those EMI shields on the two sticks, there's one controller on the T2, so I'm not sure that can be called a RAID 0. On a regular RAID, each drive would have a drive controller, this is more like a split SSD.
Pretty cool, but I think my next Mac will be a hackintosh, I don’t know if anyone has taken notice but over the last 2 years or so it’s gotten a lot simpler to build one, in terms of compatible hardware and reliable support.
Nvidia has drivers out now, so you can throw in a 1080 Ti in it. You can use AMD Ryzen CPUs reliably etc. Plus it’s always more fun to build your own system.
Also, people please stop complaining about how tired you are or how early it is. If you wanna sleep then go damn well sleep, nobody’s forcing you to watch this right now.
I would strongly go against a Hackintosh for an everyday computer. It's not really stable, every update is a pain in the ass. You would be better with Windows or Linux. If you want so much for apple and for cheap, get a Mac Mini.
Fantasticxbox it’s not for use as my main machine, more of a project, I want to build a powerful system with the option of running macOS, the only really demanding applications I use is Autodesk Revit and it only runs on Windows anyways, so for my plan to use it as a rendering station as well as for light gaming is all in a windows environment which is fine.
The thing is that macOS is my personal OS of choice, I find it more elegant and user friendly, and it suits my workflow best. Widows just irritates me, I only use it when I have to which is basically only for Revit.
But if I’m going to build a system I’d like to take a crack at making it a hackintosh, that way if it does turn out to be reliable on macOS it could possibly be used as my main machine. The reliability and support has gotten a lot better than ever before, and anyone’s mileage may vary depending on the specific hardware they choose.
You should check out Snazzy Labs channel, he has a few cool builds and Dom Esposito has my build of choice, he built it inside a PowerMac G5 case which is my plan.
But like I said, it’s not for my main machine, I’m still pretty well sorted for now, I already have a maxed out late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro and it still runs beautifully and should still give me many more years.
I also have a 2010 Mac mini from before, I’ve installed macOS server on it and I’ve connected a bunch of drives to it, I use it for a file server, a time machine backup system and for downloading large files and stuff like that, it also still runs flawlessly.
Anyways enough of me babbling, what I’m saying is that my computing needs are already pretty much solid for a good few more years, this is just a sort of extra project that I want to take on and see where it goes.
Also, as much as I adore my old Mac mini, anyone would be silly to buy one in 2018, it’s too expensive for what you get. Hopefully this year Apple revives the Mac mini and makes it great again.
in my opinion, the OS is the entire problem with macs, i would rather have a mac modded with windows or linux (a windhacks or a linhax?) than a hackintosh
Why would you want a 1080TI on a hackintosh? Lol
Threadripper maybe a good choice, I give you that.
The macOS is far superior to Windows. I have used various different operating systems before settling on macOS in 2007 -- and if there was something better I would go for it. I have used: Windows, OS/2, Coherent, IBM DOS, MS DOS, Windows NT, Windows 95/98, Windows XP the Windows 7, as well as a Sun Sparcstation running SunOS or Solaris as well as Linux -- at home. (I am sure I have missed a few). I am not a gamer, I do enterprise development work and I do from time dabble/play around with Xcode - but nothing serious (nothing that would lock me into macOS). I do support Windows 10 for my parents -- which I find a nasty mess. Day to day at home I use macOS, but also have a Linux server at home. I would not recommend building or using a Hackintosh for professional purposes, it just is not worth it. If it is a hobby machine -- then sure -- go ahead and play.
"Upgradable" And yet still has a glued screen and proprietary SSDs (fucking why?). Also, like you said on the WAN show, they're providing shit support for it. Also, thermal throttling. And why the FUCK would they remove Target Display mode and video input ports?!
Also, sometimes the higher-CPU specced iMacs have different mobos or coolers, so upgrading to a higher model of CPU may not work as well as if you had just bought it with that CPU in the first place.
Since it thermal throttles, its not pro. :/
Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname the higher spec’d iMac Pros do not have different mobos or cooling solutions. The display is not glued on? It’s magnetically attached and is made to pop off and pop right back in. Target Display Mode is really irritating, I hope it comes back, but I think Apple doesn’t see any reason to bring it back unfortunately. The SSDs are proprietary but upgradeable and they’re fast. So I don’t now why the proprietary aspect is an issue. Also “shit support” I wouldn’t say that. I haven’t heard of any bad support cases. And they’re still much better then the support you’d get from either building your own workstation, or from companies like Dell or HP.
John Wick I call bullshit. That thing is definitely glued shut, like every other iMac ever. Just because everything isn’t soldered people go around saying it’s modular and upgradeable. The new Mac Pro will be modular and user upgrade able, not this one.
I wouldn’t expect Apple to repair it anyway. If I was apple and asked only one thing from the consumer, to not open the damn case, AND HE DOES IT ANYWAY I’d be pretty pissed too.
all iMacs definitely magnets...don't even need suckers, you can pull the screen off relatively easily with just your finger nails.
John Wick+ apple hasn't had a magnetically detachable display since 2010, also there is glue residue on the edges of the thing when they opened it. and if the display was magnetically attached then how can apple void the warranty when you open it if they never find out that you opened it? the only way they can tell is if they notice the factory glue is gone.
This video must’ve taken a lot of *courage* to make.
I'm still wondering what settings LTT uses for the Blender BMW benchmark because, at default settings (which is what you're supposed to use in order to compare results with other users), my $1000 laptop's CPU beats this $5000 Mac's CPU. My time is 3:46 on version 2.79 at default settings.
Sweet Roll the thing is, this laptop has beaten some of their high end PC's, so I'm wondering if they run the benchmark at 4k or something.
Linus did a video earlier showing that the same benchmark on identical pc/mac configurations always runs much better on Windows, because of the more open access Windows gives to its hardware. OSX is more indirect and insulated, it was programmed more for experience than performance. Which is valid too, but then why does Apple also make "pro" lines lol
Of my 2 PC's, my desktop and laptop, my desktop has an i5 6500 and my laptop has an i7 7700HQ. My i5 got a time of 5:07 and my i7 got, as stated, 3:46, both at default settings on version 2.79. My confusion as to the settings LTT tests at arise from videos like "Should YOU Upgrade to Ryzen?" where the Ryzen 7 1700 got a time of 5:40, and there's no way my i5 outclasses that CPU.
What exactly IS “the issue” with blender? It is mentioned but never elaborated...
If anyone knows, whether first hand, or can point me to a... more informative source, it would be quite helpful; appreciated!
We also don’t know if they rendered on CPU or GPU.
I appreciate the teardown and mostly the well documented bang for the buck aspect so much! Thanks LMG!
Dat nail with a photo drawn ON it. That's awesome, Linus.
Personally, I don't care much for a monitor as long as it's big enough, accurate enough, and sharp enough. $1700 for a 27" monitor is absolutely insane to me. You could literally build a whole nother mid to high end pc for that cost. With the rate of tech development, this computer would be considered out of date in roughly 5 years, less if you are one of those "professionals" that require the absolute best hardware. Literally the whole $5k is down the drain with nearly zero options for reusing components (unless you want to continue using the atrocious included mouse and keyboard).
i was watching this and thought "wow must be nice" when he said about the speed then i remembered i have an 18 core Hackinstosh
what’s the song from 0:00 to 0:38?
Im interested in the follow up :)
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I can't stop laughing 😂 😂
Arifproject Hey , I am doing a giveaway of Apple watch series 3 . Check out the latest video of my channel .
How is that possibly funny to you.
Todays sponsor was nvidia
It's worth noting that the "FirePro" cards in the previous Mac Pro were actually HD7x00 cards with custom drivers and their names changed in the BIOS (hence why Hackintoshes of the time showed 280X cards as D700s, because they were just 6GB HD7970/280X cards). So if Apple wanted they could ask AMD to unlock more Vega compute features in the OSX drivers.
FYI if anyone in the US is near a MicroCenter store you can get a Base model iMac Pro for $1,000 off for $3,999. Some people have even gotten Best Buy to do Price matching. It's an in store only sale/pickup though.
But MicroCenter is garbage...
Dude Microcenter is fucking awesome
I deeply, deeply disagree with you.
No reason to argue. Just my own thoughts.
yeah, because you had a bad experience one time they are officially garbage and not worth anyones business EVER.
finally some greats words about apple from linus
Man, that was funny.
3:23 Warranty coverage has a value. As long as they can actually fix it AT ALL.
but they can't.....
[Thumbnail] ... Arrrrgh! The thermal solution has sucked Linus INSIDE the iMac Pro... arrrrgh!
LTT: Today's video is brought to you by LIN"US"
6:43 that animation is wrong, though the airflow *might* go down (which is actually going perpendicular of the screen), due to lower density of warm air, it will always tend to go up.
Charges 5000$
Doesn't come with (open source) freesync...
Does that really matter as a professional workstation? Its not really designed for gaming
I'm not sure, but I think the manufacturer apple buys their displays from don't support freesync. Plus, its for productivity and freesync is mostly for gaming.
Why would mac need a freesync?
Totally need a freesync to see those frame per pixel project rendering amirite
TheCatOfWar+ yeah it's a professional workstation with a piss poor cooling system and a lack of upgradeability. professionals don't use macs, professional wannabes use macs. "oh look at me l use final cut pro for my youtube channel l am such a professional."
I'm surprised you didn't try Macs Fan Control www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control (which as an OSX and windows installer)to see if the CPU temps would be more comfortable. All macs I've ever used have this same issue of keeping their fans as quiet as possible ALL THE TIME! The only work-around is to control the speeds manually as apple fan curves are always set to quiet mode by default.
Trevor Lentz
This.
Linus please do a follow up.
Also compare temps in macOS and Windows. AFAIK the Fan Control in Bootcamp is less than ideal.
6:45 but shouldn’t the hot air rise? The cold air on the bottom should be sucked in
Man , I thought he's gonna say "Today's video is brought to you by *Tunnel bear* "
Doesn't hot are flow/float upward? What kind of physics are you guys studying? lol
Leif Ashley It is blocked by its stand and channeled downward back to the intake
Yea airflow is not water, and regardless of any of that, air would not flow that way... hot air always rises. Simple thermodynamic that makes air balloons float. This video looks like the heat is traveling like a laser ray lol
Here:
www.macworld.com/article/3199549/macs/imac-pro-features-faq-pricing-specs-release.html
First, the vents are down left and down right, not straight out the back. Second, there's no way in hell even if it was straight out the back it would follow the path in this video to the front of the machine.
As a mac and PC guy, I would expect you guys not to throw bullshit out... maybe I should just make some honest videos.
Jin Lim uhhh no
it was blowing against the stand.
3:34 I swear it looked like Dennis was just writing on the table.
Strange hardware decisions aside, Apple does have really well optimized UI, even at 5K.
So long as you don't actually want to do anything with it, yeah.
Basic settings and user config options are very heavily obfuscated for seemingly no reason. It makes it unnecessarily hard to use.
they're all under settings? :p what the hell are you finding hard to use
Bizarre comment. What on Earth are you having trouble with?
I can see were people coming from the PC side have a hard time using Apple's UI, for it took me a while to get used to after spending 30+ years on the PC side. What I basically found is Apple is basically the opposite of Windows. What's bottom is now up ad what is let is now right. Windows also doesn't like popping up redundant windows where Apple opens them up like it's some kind of symphony. LOL
+John Pepp Nah, I don’t really get that tbh. I used Windows for about ten years (and sometimes Linux), and when I switched to Mac, it was just wonderful from the start. The UI is just so clear about everything, and very consistent, where in Windows 10 you have like 5 different right-click-menus. It’s way easier to use in comparison to Windows, which you really have to learn. I guess the reason people are having trouble with it is that most have learned Windows for years and years because it usually was the first system they had.
These seem like workstations for places like animation studios, video editors, or CAD users. ECC plays a massive part there, and GPUs just need to be validated (rendering is on a dedicated box) but the Vega 56 is still powerful enough to preview.
NullSword for a 5000$ computer and 5k display I think you would want more than Vega 56
If I'm paying 5K for the computer I want to be able to upgrade the GPU. No wait, thats not quite right, I demand to be able to upgrade it!
Cad users on mac? XD
NullSword CAD ON MAC? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
People don't seem to realise that apple programs like final cut fully utilises the Vegas computer performance unlike Adobe premiere. The Vega 56 compute performance is also much higher than the same priced Nvidia counter part, this is just not used in games
That intro was both savage and legendary
I'd rather and upgrade path and seperate display than a '$200' saving.
Also, this is 5k for a "Pro" machine which throttles under heavy workloads. O_o
For a primary monitor a cheopo AOC 1080p 22" display is sweet enough.
Just let me swap the video card to match Freesync or Gsync and to choose whether or not I need double precision.
Personally I run a FX 8150 / GTX 960.
I can transcode 60 minutes of 720p ~4000kbps .OGG to HEVC 800kbps in ~10 hours in Handbrake, in the summer I can smell the burning dust and solder.
Since the Spectre Windows Update Asus AI Suite 2 no longer works so no more fan profiles until I remember what I used to rely on on... fanspeed.exe or some shit, that was years ago.
Yea, but what it really comes down to is whether or not you want a Mac. Final Cut Pro is a pretty good reason for a lot of video editors.
I remember when Macs werent soldered. When it let everyone in the room know you were ballin by blaring an inception-esque bwaaaaaaah. Those were the days
Ah yes and when you had a PowerMac G4 MDD starting to ramp up its fans to achieve vacuum cleaner noise levels which were only bearable by working with headphones.
Writing this on a still upgradeable Mac Pro 4.1 flashed to 5.1 ;).
8:38 this is now my new favorite desktop background.
One thing never mentioned is resale price versus a PC. Apple products hold value. PCs don’t..
While I would too prefer something like a Titan XP for efficiency reasons in an enclosed space, there's 3 reasons why that woudn't make sense:
1. Vega GPUs though mediocre at gaming, excel at compute performance (aka mining), and Apple has spent years fine tuning macOS kernel and driver parameters for GCN
2. Vega is also a very incredibly efficient architecture, just not at higher clockspeeds/voltages, as evidenced by all the APUs and GL. Apple's Pro Vegas are likely to be binned. Desktop Vegas are effectively overclocked reference models, as they weren't nearly fast enough to beat Pascal at gaming, and probably never will be.
2. Nvidia drivers on Linux and Unix-based systems (except Windows, which is technically Unix based too) sucks balls. The famous Torvalds "Fuck you nvidia" comes to mind.
I just wished they used something with professional drivers, because those make a difference in a lot of ways.
I agree, but I gotta be the annoying one and say that Windows isn’t based on Unix. It was once, but Unix was completely abandoned in 1982.
Best intro ever! The conviction to solder everything down. This is gold right here!!!
Imagine the performance of a custom windows build for 5k
LTT: somewhat praised Apple at points
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Ya
6:26 how did you install windows 10 on it???
My 1year daughter loves the introsong she dances like crazy 😄
The dollar-for-bollar comparison PC is really just built to be more expensive. The H115i is by no means comparable with Intel's cooling solution. The Corsair Strafe is a very expensive and a much better keyboard than Apple's packed in Peripherals. The video card also seems to be a choice made to inflate the price of the comparison system. There are cheaper comparable video cards even with the massive inflation cause by Crypto Mining.
This is what I was going to say. I just don't know why Linus chose parts to inflate the price. The monitor is a CLEAR choice to inflate the price when there are loads of 4k monitors and even 5k monitors at half the price (or less).
What 5k monitors have similar colour accuracy to the mac's for half the price?
5k is a big deal for some people because you can edit native 4k footage with room for the timeline etc.
I agree with the rest of what OP said though.
Room for the timeline? I would just buy 2 4k displays and put all the tools on one screen and the video preview on another.
Griffin S Final Cut Pro X probably can't do that lmao.
+Ryan-Beats What's the point of that? real setups for video editing and the like use a minimum of three monitors, this 5 K nonsense is stupid, just to make it seem like it's ahead of what Windows can do, and it's gimping that poor vega 56 even harder, it's already a card that can't really handle 4K.
3:05 A little sneak peak for Part 3 Mining Adventure?
LUL ITS NOT EVEN 200HZ... I CAN'T PLAY CS:GO ON IT XD!!!.. This is a computer for creative professionals in the entertainment industry, not gaming. 99% of the people commenting don't seem to realize that.
yeah just bunch of haters. HATERS GONNA HATE
@@foxikira its really stupid actually pcs arent only for gaming but also for productivity like imacs its just that they have more capabilities for gaming so stfu
@Grahamhg sorry but you are totally wrong macs are great for "video" editing windows too ,CAD in the industry windows is standard equipment almost 85 to 90% of marketshare. Even for car tuning and repairing there are so many software available on windows I can't even mention all of them. Yes windows is open source and I don't know why people install it on apple devices even microsoft office , simply to show you that you can criticise windows all the time but at the end of the day macos isn't prefect either
@@carholic-sz3qv so you want to pay a 5000$ Apple pc which is worse than my 1400$ pc i'd rather go buy a car.
@K Dash same
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Thanks for the review Linus. This is the very exact reason why we got the iMAC Pro while trying to build our Hardware. Not to mention the overprice GFX cards that you can't even find nowadays.
Cheers,
K-Dragon
"The courage to make an unrepairable professional product"
What about the other models? Do they also offer good value or are overpriced?
depends if you compare the current price of GPUS then the vega64 pro with 16GB of HBM2 means at least the bump in gpu power is not at all overpriced.
Overpriced imho. You can find an AIO that is very similar to the iMac for ~1/2 the price.
Overpriced for the hardware. Rather just build a hackintosh.
Amrit Cod You can’t upgrade the GPU, CPU, or Ram. It’s overpriced
the video literally shows them doing exactly that lmao
That "airflow" at 6:44 is silly, the hot air rises. The air won't ever reach the bottom, because the cold air is to dense. I wouldn't say it's good design, but it's nothing like the animation. The back might get hot, but it won't suck in hot air.
Remember when Steve Jobs said 'we need to get rid of this mentality that for Apple to win Microsoft has to lose'
Xavier Rodrigues well, apple isnt like that anymore and is just a pile of overpriced garbage. there is people in this world who would probably buy a rock from apple just because of the brand...
I'm not talking about how great Steve Jobs was for saying that or whatever, I'm saying that we should remember that quote. What's the point of fighting over a brand? All I want is faster computers for less, that doesn't have many issues. PC manufacturers are better at the first thing, and Apple is better (although they have gotten worse recently) at the second thing.
for 25+ years, I thought this as I worked on Macs. From school, throughout my graphic design and photography career, all the way up to November 2017, when I didn't feel like Apple was building the workstation I wanted. Basically, a easy user upgradable non-xeon mini (or mid) tower with 6 or 8 cores. Basically stacking 3 Mac Mini's on top of each other, stuffing in a 6 or 8 core i7 CPU with 32GB of RAM, dual NVMe slots and a 2.5" internal drive, with a Radeon RX 580 GPU. It should cost nothing more than $1,800 with the 6-core CPU.
I had never used Windows before, and built my own PC in December, installed Windows 10, and it runs like a dream.
7820x
32GB RAM
250GB SSD Boot drive
4TB storage drive
8GB Radeon RX 580
NZXT Kraken x52 CPU cooler
EBGA 750w power supply
Fractal Design Meshify C case
$2,100
The only thing I miss is "columns view" in the folders. Beyond that, I can do everything on this workstation that I could do on my Xeon processor Mac Pro. But wildly faster and more efficiently.
A 2013 Mac Pro would have cost me $6,000 last January (nearly 4 years later), and it would have cost me $5,000 in November....for a nearly 5 year old machine.
If I felt I absolutely needed a xeon CPU with ECC memory, I might have considered staying with Apple and waiting for the Modular Mac Pro.
Luka Dobrilović the Rock part is definetly true but at the same time, there are a lot of people that, Even if Apple made the Perfect pc for them at a fair Price Point, Wouldnˋt but It because it has an Apple on the back
You’re correct, it’s very childish to fight over it. I have my pc for gaming an$ my Mac for work. People forget that these computers are usually not used for the same reasons.
Wait, is linus Canadian?
I think yes
whats the song 0:00 to 0:38
Best effort until they release the Mac Pro
zodiacfml how much courage will they need...
A like for the crypto mining tax stab at themselves
Loved the trolling at the beginning...
And of course, can it run crysis ?
Linus bro I need to sleeep
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I feel like the brightness in your latest videos hasn't been turned on too much, or maybe it's just the lighting. I keep trying to turn up my brightness on my computer. But good video though :)
Apple died when Steve Jobs died