The NEW Hybrid AOE Raid Spec for Rogues

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024

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  • @SimonizeShow
    @SimonizeShow  2 года назад +25

    I said a few times I didn't see this specialization when researching original Wrath of the Lich King. I mean specifically for Raiding - I have seen a similar (but different) specialization being used for things like AOE farming Karazhan!

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 2 года назад

      I miss op hat… being it got quickly nerfed…

    • @wolfzio6211
      @wolfzio6211 2 года назад +4

      @@alistairbolden6340 you need better reading comprehension.

    • @williamferguson1817
      @williamferguson1817 2 года назад

      @@alistairbolden6340 you either can’t read or are a terrible troll

    • @SimonizeShow
      @SimonizeShow  2 года назад +4

      I have done that, and I have seen other videos about kara farm but I've never seen someone else try to use a similar hybrid spec in RAIDING. I even have my own video which was the result of dozens of hours of testing karazhan farming on the beta, you can check it out here: ruclips.net/video/3zcz54NDNuM/видео.html

    • @SimonizeShow
      @SimonizeShow  2 года назад +3

      I also just searched on the Warmane discord for "aoe dps" and found 26 results posts, only one of which even mentioned rogues at all and said they had assassination rogue in their group for a dungeon. Every other post result was talking about non-rogue classes.

  • @mje1984x
    @mje1984x Год назад +8

    Dude I love your content. It's so obvious that you spent tons of time researching/learning this stuff, and you get straight to the point, and elaborate when needed. I love it. Great stuff.

  • @deathsromath
    @deathsromath 2 года назад +60

    I don’t play rogue and I probably never will I just love how dedicated and big brained simonize is at this game

    • @ywr1670
      @ywr1670 2 года назад

      @@alistairbolden6340 i want to see those guides,¿ their names are?

    • @kamronik1526
      @kamronik1526 2 года назад

      @@alistairbolden6340 he could be wrong, but I wouldn't say the scripting is exactly the same.

    • @Kiipcha
      @Kiipcha 2 года назад

      @@alistairbolden6340 lol this guy bitter af. I love the retail noobs comment. Would love to see 90% of the wrath population take a step into even tier 1 mythic + raiding.

    • @ayo1149
      @ayo1149 2 года назад +1

      @@Kiipcha retail is trash stop coping

    • @brandonkruse6412
      @brandonkruse6412 Год назад

      @@ayo1149 retail isn’t for everyone, but PvE content is infinitely better than the classic era expansions. just having M+ alone kills anything in classic

  • @SomerHollingsworth
    @SomerHollingsworth 2 года назад +18

    S/O to you for continuing to push the limits of our class. This looks like a ton of fun as well!

  • @rosechild1112
    @rosechild1112 2 года назад +6

    This my first time playing wow, and being a rogue I can't begin to tell you how much insight your guides have given me, thank you Simon.

  • @VivisHearts
    @VivisHearts Год назад +3

    Took 50 runs of UBRS to obtain the dagger. Combined with Greed from CoS yielded insane results in phase 1 Naxx 25, thanks so much for this!

  • @ElieZ
    @ElieZ 2 года назад +3

    12:07 thank you Simon. Not only you are super intelligent and generous, but also considerate. I won't be dual spec like that but will certainly use your tips in a single raiding spec.

  • @v0xyTV
    @v0xyTV 2 года назад +3

    Such build was fairly impossible in original WOTLK! Great theory crafting and research mate - looking forward to test this out!

  • @kylehendrickson846
    @kylehendrickson846 2 года назад +1

    Dude ur a mad lad. I actually have already been doing this right now in tbc pre patch, by switching over every other pack to full deep combat l, and utilizing blade flurry and killing spree. This is a whole new ball game. Thanks man!!

  • @joshuamervine4209
    @joshuamervine4209 Год назад +3

    Hi, thanks for the content, super helpful! I thought I'd share the marcos that I use to quick swap spec and weapons. DISCLAIMER: I just found this, so I haven't included any other changes, nor have I had luck farming Felstriker.
    These macros use a generic spec swap `run` command:
    ```
    /run local i=GetActiveTalentGroup();SetActiveTalentGroup(i==1 and 2 or 1)
    ```
    To AoE spec/weapon:
    ```
    /equipslot 16 Calamity's Grasp
    /equipslot 17 Torment of the Banished
    /run local i=GetActiveTalentGroup();SetActiveTalentGroup(i==1 and 2 or 1)
    ```
    To single target spec/weapons:
    ```
    /equipslot 16 Librarian's Paper Cutter
    /equipslot 17 Twilight Mist
    /run local i=GetActiveTalentGroup();SetActiveTalentGroup(i==1 and 2 or 1)
    ```
    Using these greatly speed up swaps.
    Cheers!

  • @markodarko3185
    @markodarko3185 2 года назад +2

    Not even a rogue player but love your content after the deep dive.
    This video quality is amazing, ideas and theories expressed perfectly and at a speed that is very easy to grasp. Music and volumes were all nice and added to the video a lot.
    Looking forward to your pumping and love your theory crafting

  • @TiaguinhoMu
    @TiaguinhoMu 26 дней назад +1

    back in molten wow (wotlk private server) that was called "the RS spec" (Ruby Sanctum) used for aoeing the living embers in halion fight . thats arround 2013-2014 . its great for trash mobs but thats not what made the spec popular, RS progression is what did . especialy since you have access to Deadly Brew talent, for crippling poison application through the double instant (and most adds/trashes can be slowed and aoe 70% slow is not a small deal)

  • @matthutchison4223
    @matthutchison4223 Год назад +2

    You're the man Simonize! I'm hitting 29k+ dps on AoE packs with this!

    • @TheMikeisdabomb
      @TheMikeisdabomb Год назад

      i mean could there be anything more fun thn tht one button doin all that pew pew :D specially when u cant press it ast enough! :D ggizi!

  • @Max-dv1kq
    @Max-dv1kq 2 года назад

    most rogues don't even know that you can bflurry into fok to procc it aswell (people seem confused because it retail it does not use your weapons to perfom the ability)
    good guide, i love your knowledge and passion

  • @Thrillhouse89
    @Thrillhouse89 Год назад

    In raids I have about 50% crit rating whilst buffed, I may just stick with that rating and full Ulduar gear for the damage. Also I've been told by certain people to run 2x instant poisons when trying this but I'm really not very good with this kinda stuff and so remain unsure.
    Thanks again for all your content, played wow for yeeears and your youtube videos are a league of their own when it comes to depth and detail. Thanks again and stay safe :)

  • @ninetails2052
    @ninetails2052 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for the great content! Sadly I won't be doing this since I like to PVP, but really loving the theory crafting!

  • @user-dm84
    @user-dm84 2 года назад

    Started my felstriker farm, easily doable thanks to your guide - I did my assa spec cus I couldn't be bothered respecing. Looking forward to exploring this when wrath launches!

  • @Devoluzion
    @Devoluzion 2 года назад +5

    Thanks for your contribution and hard work Simon! Love it!

  • @adamthemute
    @adamthemute Год назад +1

    Will this Titansteel Blade & Felstriker/Rod of the Sun King setup be great in the next phases too?

  • @MrSanctuarys
    @MrSanctuarys Год назад

    The fact that blade flurry procs off FoK is crazy good find.

  • @Yann4eg
    @Yann4eg Год назад +1

    Is T8 2pc good for this? Regenerating Energy from Dealy Poison ticks. Can put it on off-hand. Or is Instant poison way better?

  • @JohnMr7
    @JohnMr7 Год назад +1

    @Simonizeshow I got the Stormshroud set crafted and it doesn’t seem to proc the energy from Fan at all… I put the set on at 80, and farmed in the open world for about an hour doing mob pulls of around 15-20… and according to details I only ever got energy from Focused Attacks

  • @neroaus9388
    @neroaus9388 2 года назад

    I was actually thinking of doing something like this the other day, glad to see it's more than just a shower thought!

  • @logarnightstar6993
    @logarnightstar6993 2 года назад +2

    Noice! Good thing i save my Felstriker from classic, still in the bank!!! And looted the rod of the sun king last week :D So hyped to play rogue in wotlk! TBC was so lame for rogues happy to go back on the dps meters! :D Thanks for you hard work on it Simonize!!!

  • @quintaylor4330
    @quintaylor4330 Год назад

    You're a G, thanks for fighting the good fight my man!

  • @tableslam
    @tableslam 2 года назад +1

    Mained a Rogue in OG Wrath and frequented EJ, can confirm that trash/aoe optimization was not very widespread in the OG Wrath Rogue theorycrafting community.
    Stuff like this is exactly why I'm excited to play Wrath Classic. I'm excited to see how much more new stuff surfaces as we get into the expansion proper

  • @Thatdudewiththedogs
    @Thatdudewiththedogs Год назад

    The one big complaint I have about this video, is Simon not immediately telling people that this doesn’t work unless you have 6 mobs or more…. Pretty stupid. Your energy just doesn’t regenerate that fast when you have 5 or less mobs. That should have been like the FIRST thing you mention. I love your vids Simon, but after farming Felstriker and buying spellblade and getting bezerker, I felt really disappointed in my first raid mob pack, and I wasn’t getting nearly the energy I thought I would get… you should have mentioned this first and foremost.

  • @Dexterity07
    @Dexterity07 2 года назад +1

    Damn this is huge, thanks for sharing this.

  • @bosssavage3325
    @bosssavage3325 Год назад

    Don’t forget to remind your resto druid to spam rejuv on you and disc priest to spam shield on you to get more energy as well

  • @Eleazarsc
    @Eleazarsc 2 года назад

    Crazy how new stuff is still being found.

  • @tia_lenay
    @tia_lenay 2 года назад

    Holy shit you may have just guaranteed us the top spot in overall. Since we already had the single target down… thanks for this mate

  • @Tom-hn5hn
    @Tom-hn5hn 2 года назад +1

    I decided to main spriest in wotlk but your videos make me want to go back to my first choice of rogue haha

    • @deductedcoma
      @deductedcoma Год назад

      My name is also Tom I main rogue and second sPriest. LOL

    • @tenseiedo8456
      @tenseiedo8456 Год назад +1

      I swapped from spreist in tbc to rogue In wotlk. And honestly, spriest are in a waaaaaaay better place than they were in tbc. Everyone needs them in raids, they finally do better DPS, and like always destroy in pvp.

    • @Tom-hn5hn
      @Tom-hn5hn Год назад

      @@tenseiedo8456 I ended up changing my mind again and going with my mage.. But I see spriests and I wonder if I made the wrong choice haha

  • @8milestogo
    @8milestogo Год назад

    You mention that the weapons for this build should be 2 slow weapons, ideally - first weapons. My question is - can this work with two daggers as well, since FoK does a higher percentage of dmg with daggers? And if yes - is the DSP loss signifficant compared to 2 slow weapons. Thank you very much in advance, master rogue! We obay your call and strive for greatness with our own rogues! The Rogue class will be victorious @ WOTLK thank to you!

  • @episode93-y4b
    @episode93-y4b Год назад

    @simonizeshow i noticed in another video you said Titansteel Spellblade is the BEST AoE Fan of Knives weapon in the game, is that only true until you get a Calamity Grasp or is Titansteel BiS throughout WoTLK, Love your videos mate

  • @ajrowe5845
    @ajrowe5845 Год назад

    You go on project Ascension anytime of day and see these FoK builds everywhere for a long time now lol. It's literally how people level in the game. Nice job bringing it to Wrath Classic though.

  • @duartedajuiceman
    @duartedajuiceman Год назад

    Finally got to use this on naxx last night and I had a blast. Thanks simonize

  • @sourcream9180
    @sourcream9180 2 года назад +1

    Salmonize at the start is amazing.

  • @mattipanduro8583
    @mattipanduro8583 Год назад

    Hi Simonize, is there any smart ways to farm Rod of the Sunkeeper in wotlk?… And is it worth it?… Farming for Felstriker atm…
    Absolutely love your videos!

  • @ripsy
    @ripsy 2 года назад +1

    How important is rod of sun king to make this work? Not sure how easy this item will be to get on fresh servers

  • @brandonkruse6412
    @brandonkruse6412 2 года назад +1

    Looks pretty effective for farming Naxx since the majority of your time in the raid is farming trash.
    I will say that Ulduar forward, you’d probably want to dedicate your two specializations to deep Assasination and Combat.
    Ulduar you’d probably want to switch specs from boss to boss. Though, in ICC, I recommend bossing with deep Combat as armor penetration, the powerful trinkets that favor combat and (possibly) the %damage raid buff allow combat to scale higher than Assasination on even solo target fights.
    I could definitely see this build being useful in several trash areas in ICC if your guild is capable of large pulls. The room with the second boss in ICC has a ton of trash that you inevitably have to pull all at once due to mobs being so close together.
    Great info btw!

  • @JELKEK
    @JELKEK 2 года назад +5

    Thanks for acknowledging that this is indeed tryhard PvE crap, I hate PvE as it is and was finally relieved not having to respec from Sub for every wagecuck PvE endeavor. I honestly might not even raid at all, I don’t stop spamming arena queues!

  • @shellhead8859
    @shellhead8859 2 года назад +1

    this is the video we all needed

  • @technoSmamus
    @technoSmamus 2 года назад

    @SimonizeShow Do you feel like this spec could be viable in a speedrunning situation where bosses are pulled when there are still mobs alive from the trash packs and one does not get a chance to change specs before bosses or is in danger of not maximizing uptime before and after the bosses?

  • @TheKeygamer
    @TheKeygamer 2 года назад +1

    Is there a special hit and expertise cap to prioritize with this build?

  • @AvanciniAndreas
    @AvanciniAndreas Год назад

    Hey! Wonderful content! Quick question. Any tips on best weapon combination for a Combat Rogue trying to maximize FoK damage? Im currently using 2 slow fists with Berserk, but I don't know if I should try and get a Rod of the Sun King. Thanks!

  • @blacksky755
    @blacksky755 2 года назад

    @simonizeshow so does shadowmeld count as stealth for the 30% increased energy generation buff in the assasination tree ? cause if it does that makes it a big dps cooldown.

  • @MrExtorted
    @MrExtorted Год назад

    Hey mate, amazing video,, really looking forward to trying this. I just have two questions, I know you mention slow weapons are better for fan of knives, but they would be causing 70% weapon damage. Are they better than daggers even with the 105% weapon damage? Also, as I can't get Rod of the Sun King, I will be getting Felstriker, what should I pair that with for preraid? I currently have Greed.

  • @leimerthe
    @leimerthe Год назад

    Hey simon how do you add that 3rd bar with 3 buttons in the middle where you have inserted your equipment switches?

  • @jaypeesan1877
    @jaypeesan1877 2 года назад

    Fantastique Simon gj explaining this.

  • @niree345
    @niree345 2 года назад

    Some content for future combat rogues beside the one you already posted? you are my nr1 source right now :))

  • @oliviercaisse9409
    @oliviercaisse9409 Год назад

    Insane video Simonize , i just subscribed

  • @KingTempIar
    @KingTempIar Год назад

    Do you see this working for wrath heroics? Issue I see is there isn't much downtime after you pull mobs so your single target would be really bad once you get to a boss if people don't want to wait while the other issue is the packs are not that big so at most 5 mobs which would not bode well with rod.

  • @bernard3303
    @bernard3303 8 месяцев назад

    Are the old lvl 70 or lvl 60 weapons you recommend in this video for rogue aoe, worth it in icc as well or using the new weapons is overall a better choice at this point?

  • @rudeashell
    @rudeashell Год назад

    does say, a 1.8 speed dagger have a similar poison application rate to a ~2.6 or slower slow weapon, due to the way weapon speeds are normalized?

  • @Nesta36
    @Nesta36 2 года назад

    Absolutely Massive. Great Video :)

  • @SylasSlays
    @SylasSlays 2 года назад +1

    If one were crazy enough to try this in PvP like AV would you change anything?

  • @MgnIAnm
    @MgnIAnm 2 года назад

    Yo, can you explain why would a rogue need to use a fast off hand dagger as a pvp sub? I'm assuming it'd be cus of the higher % poison proc, but having Waylay would be more than enough to want higher damage over weapon speed, right?

  • @3driba
    @3driba Год назад

    How do you put itemrack into an icon, you can click ? I know how to do that with trinkets, but idk how to make my full set change with a click.. can only find a keybind to do it with

  • @defaultdefault812
    @defaultdefault812 Год назад

    Does the Stormshroud armour pattern still drop? I cannot see to get the armour drop from the Azshara Oracle Murloc???

  • @edkrassenstein5534
    @edkrassenstein5534 2 года назад

    Will Stormshroud still be better than your regular gear for Fan of Knives without Adrenaline Rush for the whole expansion? Im just considering if it's worthwhile to enchant it with BiS enchants

  • @Sheyroth
    @Sheyroth Год назад

    Great video again ! For trinkets, what about the darkmoon card : death ? Does the proc scale well with aoe ?

  • @ezzo1963
    @ezzo1963 2 года назад

    Great video! one question. While this spec is active, how many trash should there be to begin using FoK? Cheers!

  • @Tsuyd
    @Tsuyd Год назад

    This is looking good ! How much better than a reg combat/sin spec is this tho ? I'd like to have a pvp spec and im wondering how much better is this, to consider swapping to 2 pve spec.

  • @mkwLuke
    @mkwLuke 2 года назад

    how much of this is applicable to feral druid swipe spam?

  • @erikrulez17
    @erikrulez17 Год назад

    Personally I opt'ed out of grabbing adrenaline rush, for the final point in Vitality. cause I personally care more for consistency instead of a few second window on a 2min cd.

  • @kasskass2844
    @kasskass2844 Год назад

    can someone explain why fist weapons are better than daggers if FoK gives 111% from daggers dmg and 74% from others

  • @rakaff
    @rakaff Год назад

    Hello, is a 2.60 speed Fist Weap ( Kel THuzads Reach) Better than the Titansteel Spellblade for this setup?

  • @pWallyy
    @pWallyy 2 года назад

    Just got felstriker after 30ish runs. Super excited to spam FoK

  • @chodzonceprowo5199
    @chodzonceprowo5199 2 года назад

    Amazing video as always!

  • @pommyrock
    @pommyrock Год назад

    whats the addon that shows you combo points right there and it shows all ur slice and dice stuff above it

  • @jonathanmorris8197
    @jonathanmorris8197 2 года назад

    Do you think Black Bruise from ICC later on will work with FoK?

  • @vex1296
    @vex1296 Год назад

    Where do you see the felstriker proc I can't see it show up in buffs?

  • @Yquan151
    @Yquan151 Год назад

    is there a quick shortcut buttom to switch between Talent specs?

  • @filthylobster817
    @filthylobster817 Год назад

    What about that oracle or wolvevie trinket that returns energy. I can’t remember which one / faction u can buy from in the S basin

  • @Thirk
    @Thirk 4 месяца назад

    Is this just dead with the talent changes? I assume Stormshroud + weapons isn't enough without Focused Attacks.

  • @MazaniWastaken
    @MazaniWastaken 2 года назад

    Hey Simonize how does your spells bars change when you change spec

  • @bro_solo_bit4583
    @bro_solo_bit4583 2 года назад

    [Enchanting: Enchant Weapon - Deathfrost] + [Thundering Skyfire Diamond] + 2 [Blinkstrike] + [Hand of Justice] + DSt )

  • @samuelseiders7974
    @samuelseiders7974 Год назад

    For big aoe pulls I have been trading out 2pc slayers for prebis alternatives with better stats. For this build would it be better to gem aoe gear for crit>ap since you will benefit more from focused attacks?

  • @FjUwGameS
    @FjUwGameS Год назад

    do you go double instant poison or regular instant / deadly

  • @ezpz9277
    @ezpz9277 Год назад

    Is this good thru the whole expansion or just P1? I just hit 80 on rogue and dont want to farm items if its not going to matter soon.

  • @travisbartlett1977
    @travisbartlett1977 Год назад

    Thank you for this video. So in the current set up? Calamity's Grasp or Spellbade main hand? What have you seen with greater numbers for trash?

    • @zomoptic
      @zomoptic Год назад

      Greed from CoS is good

  • @daleodorito
    @daleodorito Год назад

    I always though that rogue being good in aoe is stupid, like in class concept.
    Rogues should be specialized in surprise attacks, should be the ones doing massive burst of single target damage and then decaying pretty rapidly as soon as they get spotted. That's the supposed rogue fantasy, they only way they should be able to deal with larger groups is by hidding within the chaos os the battle, so they get sneak attacks.
    In wow for me they should play something like: huge oppening burst > damage downtime > wait for oppening while u lose aggro > huge burst from surprise attack > repeat

  • @richponani9607
    @richponani9607 2 года назад +1

    i do have rod but not felstriker, do you recommend using both at the same time?

    • @jgalla5549
      @jgalla5549 Год назад

      he has a chart on his Index page on his Discord comparing different combinations of stormshroud, felstriker, Rod, and pre-raid bis items. In some specific situations felstriker+rod is a little better than just Rod alone.

  • @Templetoes11
    @Templetoes11 2 года назад +1

    do you use Rod of the Sun King and Felstriker at the same time?

  • @Argannon37
    @Argannon37 Год назад

    which weapon do you use alongside the fleshripper?

  • @legerionkd738
    @legerionkd738 Год назад

    what about titansteel spellblade or Kel'Thuzad's Reach for Mainhand? i dont have roK or CG.....

  • @Ashibal
    @Ashibal 2 года назад

    Amazing informative excellent content, thank you

  • @raine2005
    @raine2005 Год назад

    Love you. Thank you for this

  • @Kennypowers51
    @Kennypowers51 2 года назад

    Wow. That hat really held my attention.

  • @Kanivalos80
    @Kanivalos80 4 месяца назад

    I like to farm Karazhan with my rogue, now tha prepatch is coming, pure combat will work?.

  • @sirnewblet9383
    @sirnewblet9383 Год назад

    what is the addon called that shows u what buttons u are pressing?

  • @zeroresistance7203
    @zeroresistance7203 2 года назад

    hmm so if you have rod and felstriker
    it looks like shroud is not needed at all?.

  • @outlaw0ftorn
    @outlaw0ftorn Год назад

    I crafted the BS spell damage dagger thst has a 2.5 sec weapon swing. Put that in my MH with instant poison and was critting with FoK for 1800. I had the Omen in my offhand which is 1.5. I was doing top or near top AOE damage during trash.

  • @chocol8milkman750
    @chocol8milkman750 2 года назад

    More aoe than UH DK??? Dude, this is sweet!!! 😎

  • @brohemian
    @brohemian 2 года назад

    Stormshroud probably worth getting if you have felstriker?

  • @cookie_monsteryo
    @cookie_monsteryo 2 года назад +1

    How much better is Rod and felstriker over the next best slow offhand weapon from Wrath during naxx? Is it a huge difference ? Or marginal.

    • @SimonizeShow
      @SimonizeShow  2 года назад +2

      the answer is - it depends. i suggest you check out the charts on the discord that compare different gear levels, target counts, and cooldown availability.

    • @kyoden1928
      @kyoden1928 2 года назад

      @@SimonizeShow do you use felstriker on mh or offhand during aoes?

  • @coffeebeans5759
    @coffeebeans5759 Год назад

    Is felstriker still worth it with the current level gaps ?

  • @monterow461
    @monterow461 2 года назад

    Amazing video thank you so much.

  • @alexanderjohnson3419
    @alexanderjohnson3419 Год назад

    What gear changing addon do you use

  • @begerbingchilling
    @begerbingchilling Год назад

    rogues get the energy regen from FoK and all abilities, meanwhile ferals stuck with just autos for OOC procs. blizz pls fix