Ironically enough if Iron Bundle only got access to one of the weaker water moves like Surf or Muddy Water it'd be even more powerful. Hydro pump's low accuracy is the only balancing factor that mon has
That's not even completely true anymore if you look at the game post dlcs there are alot of mons that provide very consistent counter play. Similar to palafin they should attempt to retest it
@@devonstrom6558I personally don’t think palafin isn’t good for OU atm, over 160 attack, strong priority in jet punch (being boosted further in rain) and the only “counter play” is waterpon which is probably next one on the chopping block after kyurem
This is the part where we realize paradox Pokemon where an even bigger mistake than Ultra Beasts and Z moves combined. I want my Kartana and Naganadel back.
A lot of it is really because of how strong Tera is. Mons like Gouging Fire or Baxcalibur would just be regular guys if it wasn't for Tera's dominance/versatility especially when revenge killing just isn't counterplay anymore.
@@dragneel3458Baxcalibur would still almost certainly be banned without Tera since some sets would want to stay ice type for the defense boost from A-ninetales’ snow, which would allow it to boost up with dragon dance and/or scale shot.
I think that is quite funny the generation which more dragon types have been banned than ever before is The generation where they can get rid of their dragon typing 😂😂😂😂
@@viktorgabriel2554 Yes thats their entire point as a type. Before this their only weakness was dragon type (which is useless offensively) and ice (good luck finding any decent pokemon with STAB ice moves that doesn't die to one flamethrower, which almost every dragon type learns)
@@viktorgabriel2554 It's not really that Fairy is the issue, it's kind of that Dragon just isn't even a good type on paper. The only redeeming quality it has is a unique mix of resistances that are all fairly valuable. But defensively Dragon leaves a lot to be desired and offensively even more so. Overall Dragon is like a slightly better Normal Type. The thing that makes Dragon Types strong is their absurd stats and when they can get a type that suits their needs better than Dragon they become much better.
Still surprised to this very day that Sneasler lasted as long as it did. How is a mon with Unburden + Acrobatics + 130 attack + 120 speed ever considered to be balanced for so long? Mon is Hawhucha on maximum steroids and caused Rillaboom usage to be at 3000%.
@@newjumpcityjosh9333 Dire claw is such a poorly designed move it’s insane. “Yeah, let’s give it an incredibly strong STAB option that also has a whopping 50/50 chance to inflict one of three status conditions! That’s surely balanced on something with base 130 attack and 120 speed!”
I'm curious, since I never saw her being used. Isn't 130 speed already a lot? Why is Unburden particularly good with her? Is it that important for her to be even faster?
@Bobopoes thanks for the correction, I was thinking of the baby one, Misdreavous, I think. As someone who warrior for Flutter Man I shouldn't be making this mistake.
A lot of the Pokemon that got banned either were simply not designed for OU's power level (like Flutter Mane and Chien Pao) while others had some insanely broken attributes (like Annihilape and Baxcalibur). In other words, Game Freak has been utterly insane in the types of Pokemon they rolled out this generation. Gen 9 is THE power creep generation and there's no sugarcoating it whatsoever.
the fact they removed mega evos because "they were op" then proceed to add the most broken gen gimmicks that doesnt even cost an item slot is pure disrespect
GameFreak saw Spectrier and said "what if we made it faster, gave it part Fairy, made it stronger with Moonblast, having actual usable coverage, and also a weather ability that lets it be faster or stronger and can be activated by an item?"
@@mahatikapuganty9623 The set that got Spectrier banned in Gen 8 was actually Calm Mind Substitute with enough bulk to survive Foul Plays. Then it got Tera Blast in Gen 9 where its now a discount Flutter Mane.
@@CuddlyTheMadElite yeah but it's the ability to burn with Will-O-Wisp and snowball with Grim Neigh that made that set threatening. Flutter Mane does not have that. And that was just one set. Without the set variety, it wouldn't have been banworthy.
To be fair, its ability being nerfed does nothing to negate the fact that it’s the fastest Pokemon in the game, has great attacking stats, and can easily spam boltbeam with barely any risk or drawbacks outside of having to be an ice type. Gen 8 Eleki was a very interestingly designed mon, being an absolute powerhouse and speed demon with a common glaring weakness, but Terastallization basically threw that out the window.
Showing in this video that there were a total of (in the moment i’m making this comment) 19 banned Pokémon from OU in gen 9 just shows how the power creep has increased so much in this generation, even some old mons that in other generations were allowed in OU had been banned in this gen because of also the new gimmick of tera, just like volcarona that got banned one time, returned to OU and got banned again.
Even with all these bans, there are still many troublesome pkmn running around in the tier like kyurem (which is getting suspected now) and zamazenta as well as the controversial kingambit, ogerpon w, roaring moon, darkrai and gliscor
I can just imagine that as soon as Gen 10 come by, if it is even halfway decent in that the gimmick is not as subtly dominating as Tera that we are tricked into taking what is actually a meta-ruinous ability such that the gimmick can be taken or summarily banned like Dynamax, no one will play Gen 9 metas ever again.
Tapu Koko is one of my favorite pokemon but thank god it wasn’t let loose in OU. The future paradox mons would be much more broken if they didn’t have to rely on pincurchin to set up electric terrain
Pretty sure the OU council very much wanted some kind of action on Tera, but felt that doing so without community support was a bad idea. When they held the poll, no action won out.
Don't even start to act like terastalization broke these mons lmao, in around 85% of situations where any of these pokemon would sweep, they didn't need tera. And in a remaining 10% of those situations, it would be better to set up a clean with your remaining pokemon using tera. The only possible argument you can make is for gimmick pokemon like espathra. And even then, it had all the tools it needed without tera lol. Speed boost, calm mind, all in a shed tail meta is what made espathra broken. Much like blaziken
Community votes have literally always put tera over keeping mons. Go make your voice heard because hundreds of minority opinions need to if you want a vote
The large number of bans seems to be tied to Tera as a mechanic. While stuff like Fluttermane is obviously too strong, Pokemon like Gouging Fire could be handled without Tera. That’s not to say Tera needs to be banned, but keeping it has obvious costs.
Also, banning it isn't the only possible action. Open Tera Types would at least greatly alleviate the problems caused by Tera guessing games, though it wouldn't fix matchup-fishing related issues.
If Tera was never allowed this 17 minute video would be a RUclips short. I feel like if the source of limiting what Pokémon you can use in the name of a mechanic that can make any Pokémon uncompetitive due to making those Pokémon too diverse in sets and different counters, then I think a single ban on Tera would be more beneficial then banning so many mons that can check the king gambit and great tusk centric meta game. And king gambit would finally have to confront that quad fighting weakness instead of removing it in the end game to win.
@@Gmantheiv that’s fair because ur right it is just some 5 year old at game freak making cool number combinations. But I feel like Tera exacerbates these broken monsters.
“Ah yes, let’s create a tool that allows mons with poor defensive typing or stats to completely counteract that with the flick of a switch, what can go wrong?” Fuck man. I can’t wait for that mechanic to be gone; I can’t wait to not look stupid for knowing what the type chart is ;-;
sneasler's ban was not like the other bans in this list. all the other bans were either quickbans, or occured after the player base voted for or against bans. sneasler was different: it was a survey where all members of the player base voted for several pokemon if they are balanced or not, sneasler wasn't hated much by the "General" playerbase(non-qualified players), but received A LOTS of hate by the qualified playerbase.
This generation is bizarre and marked by how many Pokémon can use 1 turn to become an unstoppable sweeper. It would likely be much more manageable without Tera or if Tera types were at least visible on team preview. Tera is a CONSTANT 50/50 mind game that could easily lose you (or win you) the game.
Tldr: they are mons or strats that beat the favored comps and strats of the top players on smogon. Its the top players voting away strategies they dont like to play against.
Ngl, after banning a few thing like wellspring and kyurem, i'd be dowm to retest crowned-zamazenta. No item slot means it tanks knock off better, while the steel typing being good still has some decent drawbacks. Kinda hoping this gets tested before palafin ngl
After watching this video, I come to understand that Tera is not a good mechanic. Most of the mobs are banned because Tera made them nearly impossible to counter or check. I have to build a team that deals with Tera water volc. Then I play with someone that has Tera grass instead and I still lose to volc. That is not a healthy metagame
I just found today and I'm actually surprised that singles fans hate tera. As a VGC enjoyer, tera is my favourite mechanic ever (the bar wasn't exactly high either tbh), it is what made me come back to competitive pokémon. I don't want gen 9 to end because I don't want it gone
@@luminessupremacyI'm sorry you like a poorly balanced mechanic. Only world tera is balanced is if you can see ahead of time who will have it and what type. Otherwise it needs to go
Awesome that you cover these pokemon! They need the love, where most of them aren't good enough for Ubers (besides flutter mane and bundle, they don't need the help)
Reshiram getting outclassed again by another legendary is just sad. Yes I'm counting the paradox legendaries as legendaries. Let's see if Palafin and Annihilape will come back down .
@@sreenaths6829 hey at least we got it in UU UBERS where it still doesn't even make a dent in Just checked even the last few months of usage, it doesn't pop up, not even once.
Tera just amplifies what was already problematic about pokemon. In most cases, it's the third STAB/double STAB that pushes offensive mons over the edge. The concept of changing types is fine, how it's executed is questionable.
I support smogon’s tiering and I think competitively-speaking it’s definitely the best for pokemon. But, while suspect tests and councils voting on quickbans are generally fair and reasonable, there are certain situations where they accomplish nothing. Gouging Fire getting suspect tested twice in such a small period of time with no actual big changes in the metagame (such as DLC’s or any new pokémon) shows how the tiers are basically manipulated by the same people. I was there for both suspect tests and this pokemon was literally the same in both. It was a threat for every playstyle and it restricted team building kinda the same way (although not as blatantly obvious) as Volcarona. It was unhealthy upon release, all the way until it was finally banned. It’s the kind of pokemon that can sweep your entire team with little prediction. It doesn’t make any sense that it dodged the ban on the first suspect test but got a supermajority ban on the second one. Literally nothing changed between the two suspect tests besides the way players were using it. It should have been banned the first time but because the top OU players at the time of reqs were not abusing it as much, it did not. Pretty unfair for the rest of the players if you ask me.
@@afvpegknight But Flutter mane causing Battle Stadium to be over-centralized on cart is okay because…? And before you start running your mouth and trying to move the goalposts, I’ve gotten to masterball on cart in order to grind the Master Rank ribbon, and I can say for a fact Flutter is broken in BSS, as someone who used it myself. Tera Stellar with sash, speed boost, and rocks up is absolutely insane and is the definition of an unhealthy meta. There’s a reason people are saying Reg H is one of the funnest on cart formats in years, and surprise surprise, a lot of the legendaries restricted in RH were also banned in OU.
@@yosh9192 dude i have no problem with fluttermane or any other popular pokemon on bss. You fight them so much that they become somewhat predictable and i know what it will do every time. If not theres always pikalytics that gives you information on what each pokemon is running. Popular pokemon are not a problem for me. It sounds like YOU are the problem not fluttermane. Fluttermane IS NOT BROKEN.
Pretty sure they dont ban for powercreep. They ban for counterability. Some of these stupid mons mixed with tera literally dont have a counter. So other than banning tera itself. You need to get rid of the mons.
All of these banned pokemon feel totally fine to play against in VGC. Thats probably what they were designed for. Even fluttermane, while strong, doesnt feel insurmountable when you have 2 potential attackers.
I always find it so funny when videos from the SW/SH era talking about how garbage Zamazenta was (which it obviously was at the time) but just seeing how strong it is now especially in comparison to Zacian is just hilarious.
Hot take: Zama crowned shouldn't have been banned. It was just as good as normal Zama and in fact had much more weaknesses (ground, fire, and fighting itself), he is also noticeable slower. Even in the video you see it barely surviving luna's headlong rush (although being fair, it was luna).
Tera has the worst coolness to brokenness ratio out of any main mechanic. Megas had a pretty close 1:1 ratio, Z-moves also had a 1:1 ratio (lower for both) and Dynamax had a 1:4 ratio (it was four times as broken as it is cool). Tera IMO has like a 1:5 or 1:6. (Granted, the only thing saving Dynamax is Gigantamax.)
which legendaries/mythicals do you think could one day drop down from ubers to ou, even just for test, kinda like darkrai did? with gen 9 powercreep some ubers are simply outclassed by normal pokemon, so i feel like some could drop down
@rozepanter007 Considering how it got banned in gen 8 with no coverage options and that it now has draining kiss and that physical set up sweepers are more common than ever I disagree.
Booster Energy or Protosynthesis/quark drive is a broken concept The fact that you get scarf boost on your speed without being choice locked is BS and you get a free life orb boost on your offenses isn't fair There should be a major drawback for these boosts
Well I mean that was more of a quick ban in the sense that LC went “wow we aren’t letting this thing in here” than it was an actual “wow this thing is way too good for the meta; let’s ban it” …which I mean, in a meta where Mienfoo is on everybody’s team that steel typing could be balanced out, just saying >_>
@@shardtheduraludon I do feel like Meinfoo can 1-shot Duraludon with a High Jump Kick. Or at least 2-shot. But if the Meinfoo goes down before Duraludon can get KO'd, that's pretty much an auto loss.
Annilape would be fine without rage fist in my opinion. But we can't ban rage fist unless its broken on primeape for some reason? I don't understand why they can't just complex ban certain over tuned moves. If someone knows why they don't I'd love to know!
The idea is that if we allow the banning of moves on mons you could technically allow anything. Spectrier without shadow ball or nasty plot is probably not that unmanageable. Maybe zekrom without bolt strike is OK. Of course people could say these ones are silly, but the council wants one simple rule to dictate everything rather than lots of little rules for specific situations.
They don't because of the reason you stated: it's not broken on primeape, though I agree without rage fist annihilape would probably not be OU. However complex banning something like that would open a can of worms.
@@rozepanter007 Thank you! I never really thought about the fact that you'd then have to look at every moveset. The Ape situation is so obvious that I didn't think about how that would apply to other mons.
Cause only certain Pokemon are actually strong with Rage Fist. Primeape still sucks even with access to the move + Eviolite. Annihilape happens to have the perfect stats (strong + very bulky) and movepool (Taunt + Bulk Up + Drain Punch) to actually take the move to the next level, while also being one of the strongest Tera abusers the tier has ever seen.
Gen 9 ou has less battles then VGC for the first time ever. It's time to admit that the power hungry smogon councils have finally made the game mode unplayable to most people.
annihilape shouldnt have been banned, they should have just banned rage fist like they did with last respects beacause he is a good pokemon but far from broken without this move.
The problem is rage fist in of itself isn't broken- if many pokemon had rage fist and were broken because of it, then they'd ban rage fist, but two different pokemon have rage fist: primeape and annihilape, and only annihilape is broken. So they can't ban it.
Somestimes it's still necessary lol. To put it in perspective just how broken Flutter Mane was, it had the highest usage rate for the entire first MONTH of SV OU even though it was banned in only two days.
Bunch of these Pokémon aren’t even threats without Tera. Thought players learnt their lesson last gen. Tera is a terrible mechanic in 1v1 and people defending it is why I haven’t bothered with playing this gen. At least this has given me more time to enjoy other games
With 19 bans and another 2 probably on the way, you have to wonder what’s the point? 21 bans is huge and kinda defeats the point of banning Pokemon. If you have one or two pokemon that warp the meta game that’s a problem, but 21 pokemon is enough to make a whole other tier. Release them all into OU and see what happens. My guess is a lot of them will check each other & it’ll just be a really high power level OU
They already tried that in Freedom Cup. The meta was nothing but Hyper Offense with the brokens and Stall to counter the brokens. When you have overwhelmingly offensive pokemon legal in a meta, everything on the teambuilding spectrum that's between HO and Stall gets drastically worse and you're left with no variety.
@@waves9515 ah okay, i’m fairly new to competitive so it hasn’t been super intuitive seeing all these bans given the context of how they worked previously. Gen 9 is just a clusterfuck of power creep then
@@crazyaboutthomasIt took a long way to get to what we have now, which is far balanced than what we had If you want to see what a wrong ban list does to a meta, look at Gen 5 OU, where broken mons check broken mons reaching the balance state
I've been out of the competitive loop for a very long time but it seems like they've gotten a bit too ban happy. Or are all these new Pokemon just too OP?
Smogon is just high on their own farts and pushes for bans on anything they don't like lmao, they let the top 1% of the playerbase make the decisions. Exactly like what Blizzard did with WoW for a long time, and look how that turned out
Smogon is lying about all the pokemon they ban. On the official games anything smogon banned (im excluding mythicals due to their stupid distribution tactics and the fact they aren't allowed in ranked) is perfectly balanced in singles.
Because it actually has decent counters and well put together teams can almost always answer it lmao That’s why it was banned in Monotype, when your teambuilding options are limited to a single type, and Gambit has amazing support mons in both Steel and Dark (Ting-lu and Klefki come to mind), it’s a lot harder to counter and it ended up centralizing teambuilding for both Dark and Steel types. Whereas in OU it can easily be hard-walled by a variety of common types depending on the set.
@noivern1380 tbh they're tied, they just keep bouncing back and forth between first and second. Tbh I say ban em both and see what happens. Shake things up if youre just gonna try endlessly to balance a game that can no longer be balanced. We've passed the event horizon, there's too much to balance now so, fuck it let's try something nutty and see what happens.
This doesn't apply to the official games. It's for smogon competitive singles on pokemon showdown, a fanmade online simulator where you can create teams and play competitive battles alongside other fun formats for free.
I remember when all ban pokemon used to have a niche in Ubers and they where genuinely good, but now the whole meta is so centralized thanks to home legends being unleashed and DLC additions, some still have a niche but most are dog water
Community made a decision to make this gen unique even if it was ass. I literally haven’t touched gen9 in so long. Tera was fun but it ruins the game to me
@@SnagavitchI really do wish they waited a little longer to pull the trigger on the mechanic to actually get a real option and let the new toy syndrome wear off
With all these ban mons as of the past few months ou gen 9 been pretty boring as of late honestly wish they would start using ubers as the main mode for gen 9 at least
Nothing's stopping you from playing Ubers. These mons should have been banned at the start based on their base stats alone before people got attached to them
While I could agree, why did the moon community not started sooner? Like, back when Mega Rayquaza got introduced? I said to myself when I saw that Busted Mega Evo this sentence: “As the planet guardian protecting us from the dangers of space shows its true potential, Anything Goes. When the Ubers Tier was ruined by Mega Rayquaza as Arceus intended, I say this as my own conviction: MOVING FORWARD, Ubers shall now be the new OU forevermore.”
@GravityIsFalling When Urshifu, Sneasler, Rillaboom, Corv, Dracovish and multiple other pokemon were inroduced that literally changed how pokemon had to be played- it kinda changes how balance had to be done. I dont think a gen that brings that along with Gen 9 also bringing OP pokemon into the comp scene. (When only a few old gen pokemon were able to keep pace, Like Incineroar and a few others- who can keep up with modern pokemon)
At some point, they're gonna have to address Tera somehow, either by banning it completely or imposing restrictions. A fair amount of the mons mentioned go from super powerful to outright broken just bc of the mechanic.
I honestly don't understand why Smogon bans Pokemon from OU before banning obviously broken and very-limited-distribution moves. It wouldn't be the same as banning Belly Drum just because Slurpuff absolutely wrecked the lower tiers in Gen 8 with its Belly Drum + Sitrus Berry + Unburden set, because MANY Pokemon have access to Belly Drum. In the case of Gen 9, Last Respects is what pushed Basculegion and Houndstone into broken territory, while Raging Fist did the same for Annihilape. They were too much for OU BECAUSE of their access to those moves, along with their traits being just good enough to make full use of them. Please, Smogon veterans, enlighten me as to why the Council bans Pokemon before banning moves.
Because casual players cry and leave the scene when building a team and getting a move banned. Complex bans are strictly better for the competitive nature but they have chosen to try not to use them since gen5 as it killed the player base since most are casual. Hope this helped
Smogon tries to avoid complex bans, that is why. There are many reasons why they don't like complex bans, but one of them is that if you do this for every single Mon, you have an incredibly complicated ruleset. Far more mons are only ban able because of a specific move than you think, that list would be endless
@@otozinclus3593 We're not talking about banning moves with 50+ Pokemon that can learn them - we're talking about moves that are exclusive to _one or two individual evolution lines._ Last Respects is exclusive to Basculegion and Houndstone, while Rage Fist is exclusive to Primeape and Annihilape. Granted, Rage Fist hasn't lifted Primeape out of ZU, but the point stands. Also, look at Baton Pass. When you can build a team that focuses on facilitating the use of ONE move to essentially run away with the game unless your team is specifically built to counter it, it's not the Pokemon that's the problem - it's the move. But Smogon did a crazy song and dance by placing tighter and tighter restrictions on the move in a failed attempt to neuter it rather than doing the _simple thing_ and essentially banning the move outright by banning it from being used alongside boosting moves.
I actually do enjoy the mindgame of Teratypes, I think it´s the best feature since mega evolutions. What I dislike are mons like sneasler. Giving a pokemon an even more broken fake out than incineroar (bc of poison touch) and then even go further and invent "direclaw" a dmg dealing move that has very high probability to poison or put you asleep, is fkn too much. On top of that it´s just a very fast and decent physical attacker. It´s simply an abomination. Mons that never should be allowed again, according to my opinion: (what follows is an old mans rant) Sneasler (hate is real) goldengo (bro is ugly as hell, delete it, please) bloodmoon ursaluna (why does this even exist, regular ursaluna had a great use under trickroom and was strong enough...) The move SPORE (if you need to fight against sleeping opponents and feel great if you beat them, get some courage) The item loaded dice (bc of scale shot baxcalibur or mousehold and oh, wtf is mousehold...) ultra beasts (those are NOT Pokemon, don´t lie to yourself, they suck, they ever did and they will for ever) bann all fkn legendary and mythicals, they are a sign of skill issue.
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20 noe with kurem
Ironically enough if Iron Bundle only got access to one of the weaker water moves like Surf or Muddy Water it'd be even more powerful. Hydro pump's low accuracy is the only balancing factor that mon has
That's not even completely true anymore if you look at the game post dlcs there are alot of mons that provide very consistent counter play. Similar to palafin they should attempt to retest it
@@devonstrom6558I personally don’t think palafin isn’t good for OU atm, over 160 attack, strong priority in jet punch (being boosted further in rain) and the only “counter play” is waterpon which is probably next one on the chopping block after kyurem
The amount of good physical attacking moves iron bundle can learn drive me insane in radical red. It could learn U-Turn but not muddy water 😢
@@devonstrom6558I don't think Saladin is really good foe OU because of it's high base attack (higher than Landorus) and strong priority in jet punch
This is the part where we realize paradox Pokemon where an even bigger mistake than Ultra Beasts and Z moves combined. I want my Kartana and Naganadel back.
@@virtualcolt I like the paradox mons
A lot of it is really because of how strong Tera is. Mons like Gouging Fire or Baxcalibur would just be regular guys if it wasn't for Tera's dominance/versatility especially when revenge killing just isn't counterplay anymore.
@@dragneel3458Baxcalibur would still almost certainly be banned without Tera since some sets would want to stay ice type for the defense boost from A-ninetales’ snow, which would allow it to boost up with dragon dance and/or scale shot.
Paradox pkmn are a cool concept, but a lot of them are way too overtuned
@@rozepanter007 that's been pretty much most paradox, legendaries, ultra beasts and more. Then we will have more overturned mons in the future
regieleki really living up to its speed stat with how fast it was banned lmao
Regieleki and Iron Bundle are both also too fast for trick room with the right setup, so they both live up to it
I think that is quite funny the generation which more dragon types have been banned than ever before is The generation where they can get rid of their dragon typing 😂😂😂😂
yhea this just shows the Fairy issue
@viktorgabriel2554 what that there doing there job keeping dragons in check
@@viktorgabriel2554 Yes thats their entire point as a type. Before this their only weakness was dragon type (which is useless offensively) and ice (good luck finding any decent pokemon with STAB ice moves that doesn't die to one flamethrower, which almost every dragon type learns)
@@viktorgabriel2554 It's not really that Fairy is the issue, it's kind of that Dragon just isn't even a good type on paper. The only redeeming quality it has is a unique mix of resistances that are all fairly valuable. But defensively Dragon leaves a lot to be desired and offensively even more so. Overall Dragon is like a slightly better Normal Type.
The thing that makes Dragon Types strong is their absurd stats and when they can get a type that suits their needs better than Dragon they become much better.
Still surprised to this very day that Sneasler lasted as long as it did.
How is a mon with Unburden + Acrobatics + 130 attack + 120 speed ever considered to be balanced for so long?
Mon is Hawhucha on maximum steroids and caused Rillaboom usage to be at 3000%.
Dire claw didn’t help at all either
This gen really gave us Hawlucha 2.0 and Weavile 2.0
@@newjumpcityjosh9333Dire Claw is just fucking DISGUSTING.
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Dire claw is such a poorly designed move it’s insane.
“Yeah, let’s give it an incredibly strong STAB option that also has a whopping 50/50 chance to inflict one of three status conditions! That’s surely balanced on something with base 130 attack and 120 speed!”
I'm curious, since I never saw her being used. Isn't 130 speed already a lot? Why is Unburden particularly good with her? Is it that important for her to be even faster?
For a Pokémon running 55/55/135, Flutter Mane is surprisingly bulky.
Thanks for the correction
*55/55/135
@Bobopoes thanks for the correction, I was thinking of the baby one, Misdreavous, I think. As someone who warrior for Flutter Man I shouldn't be making this mistake.
@@hailthequeenFM Dont worry about it, tho fyi Misdreavous has 60/60/85
Misdreavous
60/60/60/85/85/85
Mismagius
60/60/60/105/105/105
Flutter Mane
55/55/55/135/135/135
the high stats are high enough that you can afford to put EV's in defense
Tera really made most of these Pokémon impossible to counter
It's awesome
A lot of the Pokemon that got banned either were simply not designed for OU's power level (like Flutter Mane and Chien Pao) while others had some insanely broken attributes (like Annihilape and Baxcalibur).
In other words, Game Freak has been utterly insane in the types of Pokemon they rolled out this generation. Gen 9 is THE power creep generation and there's no sugarcoating it whatsoever.
I appreciate how GF made most pokemon have some unique attribute this gen but it created some of the most busted mons we've ever seen
the fact they removed mega evos because "they were op" then proceed to add the most broken gen gimmicks that doesnt even cost an item slot is pure disrespect
@@hatsunemei3106Can people stop spreading that misinformation.
I do kind of like this, ik it’s kinda annoying, but Game Freak has been making the most fun pokemon to use in a while
@@hatsunemei3106you know that’s not right, they removed them to not bloat the game
GameFreak saw Spectrier and said "what if we made it faster, gave it part Fairy, made it stronger with Moonblast, having actual usable coverage, and also a weather ability that lets it be faster or stronger and can be activated by an item?"
Flutter Mane is not a better Spectrier. What makes Spectrier broken is Nasty Plot and Grim Neigh.
@@mahatikapuganty9623 The set that got Spectrier banned in Gen 8 was actually Calm Mind Substitute with enough bulk to survive Foul Plays. Then it got Tera Blast in Gen 9 where its now a discount Flutter Mane.
@@CuddlyTheMadElite yeah but it's the ability to burn with Will-O-Wisp and snowball with Grim Neigh that made that set threatening. Flutter Mane does not have that.
And that was just one set. Without the set variety, it wouldn't have been banworthy.
@@CuddlyTheMadElitehow’s it a discount flutter mane when it got banned from Ubers 😂😂
@@Travis-kt4rc Because Flutter Mane is also Ubers? Where Flutter Mane if B rank and Spectrier is D rank?
Regieleki being banned before they even knew its ability was nerfed will never not be funny to me. They didn't even try to wait a little.
To be fair, its ability being nerfed does nothing to negate the fact that it’s the fastest Pokemon in the game, has great attacking stats, and can easily spam boltbeam with barely any risk or drawbacks outside of having to be an ice type.
Gen 8 Eleki was a very interestingly designed mon, being an absolute powerhouse and speed demon with a common glaring weakness, but Terastallization basically threw that out the window.
Showing in this video that there were a total of (in the moment i’m making this comment) 19 banned Pokémon from OU in gen 9 just shows how the power creep has increased so much in this generation, even some old mons that in other generations were allowed in OU had been banned in this gen because of also the new gimmick of tera, just like volcarona that got banned one time, returned to OU and got banned again.
Even with all these bans, there are still many troublesome pkmn running around in the tier like kyurem (which is getting suspected now) and zamazenta as well as the controversial kingambit, ogerpon w, roaring moon, darkrai and gliscor
I can just imagine that as soon as Gen 10 come by, if it is even halfway decent in that the gimmick is not as subtly dominating as Tera that we are tricked into taking what is actually a meta-ruinous ability such that the gimmick can be taken or summarily banned like Dynamax, no one will play Gen 9 metas ever again.
megas should come back, at least they costed an item slot and werent unpredictable
Sad to see Gay Porn being banned from Gen 9 OU
Ferrothorn can’t keep getting away with it 😔
soon kyurem will be on the list
The dominoes are going to fall i feel
Kyurem should have been banned the first time around imo
@@rozepanter007 Maybe, but its just so enjoyable to sweep with
Tons of ice and dragons on the ban list as well as fighting types
It would be funny if every single Ice/Dragon gets banned because of their ability to stop being Ice/Dragon with tera
The fact that I see Baxcalibur as Godzilla. This makes it so ironic since both are overpowered.
Tapu Koko is one of my favorite pokemon but thank god it wasn’t let loose in OU. The future paradox mons would be much more broken if they didn’t have to rely on pincurchin to set up electric terrain
Imagine a special attack/speed boosted specs iron val due to electric terrain
Hey it's like there's a central mechanic that makes these Pokémon overpowered! I wonder what it is though?
Hmmmm, it's hard to tell. Give them a few years or so and they might discover what that is and address it.
Pretty sure the OU council very much wanted some kind of action on Tera, but felt that doing so without community support was a bad idea. When they held the poll, no action won out.
Don't even start to act like terastalization broke these mons lmao, in around 85% of situations where any of these pokemon would sweep, they didn't need tera. And in a remaining 10% of those situations, it would be better to set up a clean with your remaining pokemon using tera. The only possible argument you can make is for gimmick pokemon like espathra. And even then, it had all the tools it needed without tera lol. Speed boost, calm mind, all in a shed tail meta is what made espathra broken. Much like blaziken
Community votes have literally always put tera over keeping mons. Go make your voice heard because hundreds of minority opinions need to if you want a vote
Smogon refuses to ban the central mechanic just because they had to ban one already. Wich i think is a very stupid reason.
The large number of bans seems to be tied to Tera as a mechanic. While stuff like Fluttermane is obviously too strong, Pokemon like Gouging Fire could be handled without Tera.
That’s not to say Tera needs to be banned, but keeping it has obvious costs.
A lot of pkmn are solely banned because of tera and it only makes great pkmn even stronger
Also, banning it isn't the only possible action. Open Tera Types would at least greatly alleviate the problems caused by Tera guessing games, though it wouldn't fix matchup-fishing related issues.
We missed the chance of banning tera in DLC1. Now we pay for it
If Tera was never allowed this 17 minute video would be a RUclips short. I feel like if the source of limiting what Pokémon you can use in the name of a mechanic that can make any Pokémon uncompetitive due to making those Pokémon too diverse in sets and different counters, then I think a single ban on Tera would be more beneficial then banning so many mons that can check the king gambit and great tusk centric meta game. And king gambit would finally have to confront that quad fighting weakness instead of removing it in the end game to win.
I dont even think tera makes a difference atp. These pokemon were made with no regard for interesting balance or gameplay.
@@Gmantheiv that’s fair because ur right it is just some 5 year old at game freak making cool number combinations. But I feel like Tera exacerbates these broken monsters.
even if they removed tera some of this mons are just broken by desing, paradox are poorly designed
calyrex who nonchalantly doesn't care about his weakness *4 becomes a fairy and blows everything up with Astral barrage
“Ah yes, let’s create a tool that allows mons with poor defensive typing or stats to completely counteract that with the flick of a switch, what can go wrong?”
Fuck man. I can’t wait for that mechanic to be gone; I can’t wait to not look stupid for knowing what the type chart is ;-;
sneasler's ban was not like the other bans in this list.
all the other bans were either quickbans, or occured after the player base voted for or against bans.
sneasler was different:
it was a survey where all members of the player base voted for several pokemon if they are balanced or not, sneasler wasn't hated much by the "General" playerbase(non-qualified players), but received A LOTS of hate by the qualified playerbase.
This generation is bizarre and marked by how many Pokémon can use 1 turn to become an unstoppable sweeper. It would likely be much more manageable without Tera or if Tera types were at least visible on team preview. Tera is a CONSTANT 50/50 mind game that could easily lose you (or win you) the game.
Tldr: they are mons or strats that beat the favored comps and strats of the top players on smogon. Its the top players voting away strategies they dont like to play against.
Ngl, after banning a few thing like wellspring and kyurem, i'd be dowm to retest crowned-zamazenta. No item slot means it tanks knock off better, while the steel typing being good still has some decent drawbacks. Kinda hoping this gets tested before palafin ngl
You honestly shouldve included Houndstone as an honorable mention
One of my fav Gouging Fire Sets uses Loaded Dice, Dragon Dance, Scale Shot, Heat Crash, and Burning Bulwark
Just imagine if Smogon suddenly unbans these 19 Pokemon for a week or two. It would be such a fun time lol.
They already did for Freedom Cup a while back. Guess what? It was all stall to deal with the brokens lmao
just go play some UUbers
A lot of those Pokémon made the game not fun 😅
@@natebrazill4299 I don't play smogon. I play battle stadium singles on cartridge. I rarely play on Pokemon Showdown anymore.
After watching this video, I come to understand that Tera is not a good mechanic. Most of the mobs are banned because Tera made them nearly impossible to counter or check. I have to build a team that deals with Tera water volc. Then I play with someone that has Tera grass instead and I still lose to volc. That is not a healthy metagame
I just found today and I'm actually surprised that singles fans hate tera. As a VGC enjoyer, tera is my favourite mechanic ever (the bar wasn't exactly high either tbh), it is what made me come back to competitive pokémon. I don't want gen 9 to end because I don't want it gone
@@luminessupremacyI'm sorry you like a poorly balanced mechanic. Only world tera is balanced is if you can see ahead of time who will have it and what type. Otherwise it needs to go
Awesome that you cover these pokemon! They need the love, where most of them aren't good enough for Ubers (besides flutter mane and bundle, they don't need the help)
It's almost like there should be a tier for the lesser used ones. Someone should get on that.
/j
Magearna found a new home in Ubers uu
@@oceanic_gamer i know, it's the top bot there
Reshiram getting outclassed again by another legendary is just sad. Yes I'm counting the paradox legendaries as legendaries.
Let's see if Palafin and Annihilape will come back down .
Annihilape is still too broken with tera, but I agree Palafin might return.
Poor Reshiram. Piss poor in Ubers but way too OP to be released into OU.
@@sreenaths6829 hey at least we got it in UU UBERS where it still doesn't even make a dent in
Just checked even the last few months of usage, it doesn't pop up, not even once.
@@sreenaths6829 not sure what happened to my other comment but he hasn't even appeared on any of his usage charts for UU UBERS
Looks like Terra is the problem
Tera just amplifies what was already problematic about pokemon. In most cases, it's the third STAB/double STAB that pushes offensive mons over the edge.
The concept of changing types is fine, how it's executed is questionable.
Im waiting for base Zama to make it on this list.
I support smogon’s tiering and I think competitively-speaking it’s definitely the best for pokemon. But, while suspect tests and councils voting on quickbans are generally fair and reasonable, there are certain situations where they accomplish nothing.
Gouging Fire getting suspect tested twice in such a small period of time with no actual big changes in the metagame (such as DLC’s or any new pokémon) shows how the tiers are basically manipulated by the same people.
I was there for both suspect tests and this pokemon was literally the same in both. It was a threat for every playstyle and it restricted team building kinda the same way (although not as blatantly obvious) as Volcarona. It was unhealthy upon release, all the way until it was finally banned. It’s the kind of pokemon that can sweep your entire team with little prediction.
It doesn’t make any sense that it dodged the ban on the first suspect test but got a supermajority ban on the second one. Literally nothing changed between the two suspect tests besides the way players were using it. It should have been banned the first time but because the top OU players at the time of reqs were not abusing it as much, it did not. Pretty unfair for the rest of the players if you ask me.
This is why fans should never decide rules. Imagine if american footballs rules were decided by fans.
@@afvpegknight
But Flutter mane causing Battle Stadium to be over-centralized on cart is okay because…?
And before you start running your mouth and trying to move the goalposts, I’ve gotten to masterball on cart in order to grind the Master Rank ribbon, and I can say for a fact Flutter is broken in BSS, as someone who used it myself.
Tera Stellar with sash, speed boost, and rocks up is absolutely insane and is the definition of an unhealthy meta.
There’s a reason people are saying Reg H is one of the funnest on cart formats in years, and surprise surprise, a lot of the legendaries restricted in RH were also banned in OU.
@@yosh9192 dude i have no problem with fluttermane or any other popular pokemon on bss. You fight them so much that they become somewhat predictable and i know what it will do every time. If not theres always pikalytics that gives you information on what each pokemon is running. Popular pokemon are not a problem for me. It sounds like YOU are the problem not fluttermane. Fluttermane IS NOT BROKEN.
Over 20 bans this gen is kinda nuts. I feel smogon has to accept some level of powercreep instead of banning all the hard hitters.
Pretty sure they dont ban for powercreep. They ban for counterability. Some of these stupid mons mixed with tera literally dont have a counter. So other than banning tera itself. You need to get rid of the mons.
Wait I didn’t realize the goat come back
Flutter Mane should have a move that switches the battle from a singles battle to a doubles battles for maximum destruction
All of these banned pokemon feel totally fine to play against in VGC. Thats probably what they were designed for. Even fluttermane, while strong, doesnt feel insurmountable when you have 2 potential attackers.
I always find it so funny when videos from the SW/SH era talking about how garbage Zamazenta was (which it obviously was at the time) but just seeing how strong it is now especially in comparison to Zacian is just hilarious.
Even after it got nerfed
Hot take: Zama crowned shouldn't have been banned. It was just as good as normal Zama and in fact had much more weaknesses (ground, fire, and fighting itself), he is also noticeable slower.
Even in the video you see it barely surviving luna's headlong rush (although being fair, it was luna).
It was a no skill version of zamazenta hero bruh, tanks everything, and just spams body press every day of the week
@@noobatpokemon8707 You say this as if normal zama needed any skill at all.
@@suly5836 it has counters as a pure fighting type, you probably are just a bot that doesn’t understand the difference between them
@@noobatpokemon8707all you need is a ghost type or haze
Tera has the worst coolness to brokenness ratio out of any main mechanic. Megas had a pretty close 1:1 ratio, Z-moves also had a 1:1 ratio (lower for both) and Dynamax had a 1:4 ratio (it was four times as broken as it is cool). Tera IMO has like a 1:5 or 1:6.
(Granted, the only thing saving Dynamax is Gigantamax.)
which legendaries/mythicals do you think could one day drop down from ubers to ou, even just for test, kinda like darkrai did? with gen 9 powercreep some ubers are simply outclassed by normal pokemon, so i feel like some could drop down
Maybe spectrier, but only if tera gets banned
I dunno about spectrier because draining kiss is a massive buff for it@@rozepanter007
@rozepanter007 Considering how it got banned in gen 8 with no coverage options and that it now has draining kiss and that physical set up sweepers are more common than ever I disagree.
i think that it would be funny if iron bundle were more broken by giving him nasty plot and surf
Im so happy my favorite pokemon is ban worthy, love that sassy weasel cat thing
Booster Energy or Protosynthesis/quark drive is a broken concept
The fact that you get scarf boost on your speed without being choice locked is BS and you get a free life orb boost on your offenses isn't fair
There should be a major drawback for these boosts
Quickest ban ever? Wasn't Duraludon banned from Little Cup in literally 30 minutes?
Well I mean that was more of a quick ban in the sense that LC went “wow we aren’t letting this thing in here” than it was an actual “wow this thing is way too good for the meta; let’s ban it”
…which I mean, in a meta where Mienfoo is on everybody’s team that steel typing could be balanced out, just saying >_>
@@shardtheduraludon I do feel like Meinfoo can 1-shot Duraludon with a High Jump Kick. Or at least 2-shot.
But if the Meinfoo goes down before Duraludon can get KO'd, that's pretty much an auto loss.
I thought it was pre banned
@@ttarion Youd think so, but it wasnt. It was legal for like 20 minutes or so.
Flutter Mane? More like Flutter PAIN.
We were all so excited for gen 8 to finally be over. If only we knew how bad it could get lmao
The world ends in fire and ice...
...And this dinosaur sock puppet and extreme hiker pine marten and a sentient bridge.
Wait they unbanned roaring moon?
Yes. They also unbanned Gliscor
Annilape would be fine without rage fist in my opinion. But we can't ban rage fist unless its broken on primeape for some reason? I don't understand why they can't just complex ban certain over tuned moves. If someone knows why they don't I'd love to know!
The idea is that if we allow the banning of moves on mons you could technically allow anything. Spectrier without shadow ball or nasty plot is probably not that unmanageable. Maybe zekrom without bolt strike is OK. Of course people could say these ones are silly, but the council wants one simple rule to dictate everything rather than lots of little rules for specific situations.
They don't because of the reason you stated: it's not broken on primeape, though I agree without rage fist annihilape would probably not be OU. However complex banning something like that would open a can of worms.
@@verysuboptimal1977 That makes a lot more sense than "well its not broken on primape" Thank you!
@@rozepanter007 Thank you! I never really thought about the fact that you'd then have to look at every moveset. The Ape situation is so obvious that I didn't think about how that would apply to other mons.
Cause only certain Pokemon are actually strong with Rage Fist. Primeape still sucks even with access to the move + Eviolite.
Annihilape happens to have the perfect stats (strong + very bulky) and movepool (Taunt + Bulk Up + Drain Punch) to actually take the move to the next level, while also being one of the strongest Tera abusers the tier has ever seen.
Bring back pursuit, power up feint.
Man, to think I was excited for Gen 9’s meta….. now I just want it to be over
Gen 9 ou has less battles then VGC for the first time ever. It's time to admit that the power hungry smogon councils have finally made the game mode unplayable to most people.
Its ran by entitled people what do you expect? most people ditched them to battle on the official games.
@@afvpegknightincorrect, other more people are playing other formats like Gen 3 ou
@@mysteryguy1440 idgaf about an ancient 20 year old format full of smogon bs.
@@afvpegknight okay, I’m just saying a lot of people do though
@@mysteryguy1440 do 200 thousand people play it? I dont think so
annihilape shouldnt have been banned, they should have just banned rage fist like they did with last respects beacause he is a good pokemon but far from broken without this move.
The problem is rage fist in of itself isn't broken-
if many pokemon had rage fist and were broken because of it, then they'd ban rage fist, but two different pokemon have rage fist: primeape and annihilape, and only annihilape is broken. So they can't ban it.
I don’t have a problem with bans BUT it bothers me when there’s like no time before bans (I’m looking at you Flutter Mane).
Somestimes it's still necessary lol. To put it in perspective just how broken Flutter Mane was, it had the highest usage rate for the entire first MONTH of SV OU even though it was banned in only two days.
My fav banned pokemon is Unburden Belly Drum Slurpuff
So it seems the whole thing is about mons with bloated statlines and setups that are made harder to check due to a broken mechanic ehh...
Banning Gliscor was so funny like gholdengo abused that shit so hard
Did Miraidon just get banned from Ubers?
Will they be banned from in game ladder? Cause im really struggling against some of this
No, this only applies to the pokemon showdown battle simulator
Keep practicing, try using pokemon you struggle against yourself to learn what beats them
I still cant Believe they banned gay porn
I finally understand what my English teacher means with a Dutch accent
Bunch of these Pokémon aren’t even threats without Tera. Thought players learnt their lesson last gen.
Tera is a terrible mechanic in 1v1 and people defending it is why I haven’t bothered with playing this gen. At least this has given me more time to enjoy other games
Just wait until they make mega volcarona 💀
Sounds like terra is the underlining issue
what's the point of this generation without Tera though
@@LukeFitzgerald-bh1zt Sandwich dragons.
No 90% of these would still be Ubers without Tera, it's more a the richer get richer thing than the breaking point
With 19 bans and another 2 probably on the way, you have to wonder what’s the point?
21 bans is huge and kinda defeats the point of banning Pokemon. If you have one or two pokemon that warp the meta game that’s a problem, but 21 pokemon is enough to make a whole other tier.
Release them all into OU and see what happens. My guess is a lot of them will check each other & it’ll just be a really high power level OU
Check out what was Freedom Cup
They already tried that in Freedom Cup. The meta was nothing but Hyper Offense with the brokens and Stall to counter the brokens. When you have overwhelmingly offensive pokemon legal in a meta, everything on the teambuilding spectrum that's between HO and Stall gets drastically worse and you're left with no variety.
@@waves9515 ah okay, i’m fairly new to competitive so it hasn’t been super intuitive seeing all these bans given the context of how they worked previously. Gen 9 is just a clusterfuck of power creep then
@@crazyaboutthomasIt took a long way to get to what we have now, which is far balanced than what we had
If you want to see what a wrong ban list does to a meta, look at Gen 5 OU, where broken mons check broken mons reaching the balance state
The idea is to make the game more fun. Go watch freedom cup replays if you want proof why this is a horrible idea
All of these are my oomfs my goats
Especially Flutter Mane I can always count on her
I've been out of the competitive loop for a very long time but it seems like they've gotten a bit too ban happy. Or are all these new Pokemon just too OP?
Smogon is just high on their own farts and pushes for bans on anything they don't like lmao, they let the top 1% of the playerbase make the decisions.
Exactly like what Blizzard did with WoW for a long time, and look how that turned out
Smogon is lying about all the pokemon they ban. On the official games anything smogon banned (im excluding mythicals due to their stupid distribution tactics and the fact they aren't allowed in ranked) is perfectly balanced in singles.
@@afvpegknight
Battle stadium singles is different from 6v6 kid
@@yosh9192 well theres no way to play 6v6 ranked on the official games is there? Until gamefreak supports 6v6 on the official games im playing 3v3.
But you know, brainless Kingambit gets to stay
Because it actually has decent counters and well put together teams can almost always answer it lmao
That’s why it was banned in Monotype, when your teambuilding options are limited to a single type, and Gambit has amazing support mons in both Steel and Dark (Ting-lu and Klefki come to mind), it’s a lot harder to counter and it ended up centralizing teambuilding for both Dark and Steel types. Whereas in OU it can easily be hard-walled by a variety of common types depending on the set.
Because his arch enemy is the most popular pokemon in the format
@noivern1380 tbh they're tied, they just keep bouncing back and forth between first and second. Tbh I say ban em both and see what happens. Shake things up if youre just gonna try endlessly to balance a game that can no longer be balanced. We've passed the event horizon, there's too much to balance now so, fuck it let's try something nutty and see what happens.
Why they so hard to not banned that stupid cat?
They ARE trying to ban the stupid cat, but every time they nerf it, it comes out as a buff
???
It’s smogon not vgc (if you’re talking about inceneroar)
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What does banned mean?
If I play online this very moment, I can use a team with 6 of these no problem.
This doesn't apply to the official games. It's for smogon competitive singles on pokemon showdown, a fanmade online simulator where you can create teams and play competitive battles alongside other fun formats for free.
Now make a video on how to counter all of them!!!
Get rid of both legendary horses too, I can’t stand them anymore. They are in every team
Glastrier too?
@@turboshazed7370 I said “both”, so yes. They’re just too broken that’s bullshit.
I remember when all ban pokemon used to have a niche in Ubers and they where genuinely good, but now the whole meta is so centralized thanks to home legends being unleashed and DLC additions, some still have a niche but most are dog water
i want palafin retested in OU
Paladin back from the dead
Can't wait for Palafin to be freed again in OU, what do you think of tier leaders wanting it to come back?
Palafin Solgaleo meta time
Could *maybe* happen but rn it’s pretty low on the priorities list with Kyurem and Gliscor taking up the spotlight
@@waves9515Wait Gliscor is back on the chopping block ?
@@陳嘉宇-y4qif kyurem is banned essentially every top player has said gliscor needs to be the next top priority
@@Snagavitch It's so gliscover.
I would retest Gouging Fire because he's Cool as Fuck and I want him back
From what I hear Satellite Dish Entei ain't too bad in Ubers UU.
Time to add another one lol
At this point just ban all the ou mons so uu becomes ou
Roaring goon
Goondengo
Kyurem & Gliscor on their way
I'm no pro player, 1500 OU and 2100 random battles, but i swear tera desperately needs to go. Its so unhealthy
Community made a decision to make this gen unique even if it was ass. I literally haven’t touched gen9 in so long. Tera was fun but it ruins the game to me
@@SnagavitchI really do wish they waited a little longer to pull the trigger on the mechanic to actually get a real option and let the new toy syndrome wear off
Since everyone is too much of a coward to say it, I’ll say it: Squawkabilly is OP.
Comp pokemon players really be the biggest babies on earth, never heard more crying about balance except from league of legends players.
With all these ban mons as of the past few months ou gen 9 been pretty boring as of late honestly wish they would start using ubers as the main mode for gen 9 at least
Nothing's stopping you from playing Ubers. These mons should have been banned at the start based on their base stats alone before people got attached to them
@@redwarrior118 yea i just miss baxcibur and volcano with heavy duty boots
While I could agree, why did the moon community not started sooner?
Like, back when Mega Rayquaza got introduced?
I said to myself when I saw that Busted Mega Evo this sentence:
“As the planet guardian protecting us from the dangers of space shows its true potential, Anything Goes. When the Ubers Tier was ruined by Mega Rayquaza as Arceus intended, I say this as my own conviction: MOVING FORWARD, Ubers shall now be the new OU forevermore.”
Ubers hosts a lot of tournaments. The Ubers scene is great you should play it
Well i only play on the games so this does not affect me i also think this is nonsense.
bruh aloan ninetail's is dlc 2
No. Regular Vulpix was added in dlc 1 so you could transfer an alolan Ninetales at that point in time. It just became catchable in dlc 2
@@Straven93 so dose that mean wen s/v was added to home aloan raichu in s/v?
@@Beyblademastergoat yeah if the base form is added. The regional forms are available with transfer
@@Straven93 well the more you know
Fluttermane… my be-hated
Where is it banning from? Is that from official pokemon or some internet battle simulator ?
Yes, it's on a battle simulator called pokemon showdown, where you can create a team and play competitive battles alongside other fun formats
Its about an unofficial simulator. These guys love to claim they are official when they arent.
@@afvpegknight thank you. That explained a lot.
@@afvpegknight
Give me five examples of people claiming Showdown is “official”.
@@yosh9192 just look at all the smogon youtubers with misleading titles claiming smogon is pokemon.
They could of just did mega evolutions for rest of pokemon🤦🏽♂️😂
Kruem boutta join them🎉🎉🎉
Oh Smogon. Nvm then
🎼 Singles isn’t competitive 🎶
I have a personal belief, Gen 6/7 was way more balanced. Than modern pokemon. Its a hot take.
I liked gen 7.
Gen 8 and 3 are the very definitions of balanced
@@GravityIsFalling 3 I will agree with, 8 is iffy because it got rid of somethings but has some of the most busted pokemon ever made.
@@Brutaleena
Gen 8 ou is literally balance the tier
More casual players hated it because HO wasn’t really viable
@GravityIsFalling When Urshifu, Sneasler, Rillaboom, Corv, Dracovish and multiple other pokemon were inroduced that literally changed how pokemon had to be played- it kinda changes how balance had to be done.
I dont think a gen that brings that along with Gen 9 also bringing OP pokemon into the comp scene.
(When only a few old gen pokemon were able to keep pace, Like Incineroar and a few others- who can keep up with modern pokemon)
At some point, they're gonna have to address Tera somehow, either by banning it completely or imposing restrictions. A fair amount of the mons mentioned go from super powerful to outright broken just bc of the mechanic.
I agree that a tera ban would be great, but with how long it has been available I don't see it happening
@@rozepanter007 they pull a mega sableye and ban it the day before gen 10
Hot take here, but 1/3 of the mons here won't be on the list if boots was banned instead
iron bombal
Pokemon is becoming way too unbalanced
I honestly don't understand why Smogon bans Pokemon from OU before banning obviously broken and very-limited-distribution moves. It wouldn't be the same as banning Belly Drum just because Slurpuff absolutely wrecked the lower tiers in Gen 8 with its Belly Drum + Sitrus Berry + Unburden set, because MANY Pokemon have access to Belly Drum.
In the case of Gen 9, Last Respects is what pushed Basculegion and Houndstone into broken territory, while Raging Fist did the same for Annihilape. They were too much for OU BECAUSE of their access to those moves, along with their traits being just good enough to make full use of them.
Please, Smogon veterans, enlighten me as to why the Council bans Pokemon before banning moves.
Because casual players cry and leave the scene when building a team and getting a move banned. Complex bans are strictly better for the competitive nature but they have chosen to try not to use them since gen5 as it killed the player base since most are casual. Hope this helped
Smogon tries to avoid complex bans, that is why. There are many reasons why they don't like complex bans, but one of them is that if you do this for every single Mon, you have an incredibly complicated ruleset. Far more mons are only ban able because of a specific move than you think, that list would be endless
@@Snagavitch That's understandable, at least more so than the guy who replied after you.
@@otozinclus3593 We're not talking about banning moves with 50+ Pokemon that can learn them - we're talking about moves that are exclusive to _one or two individual evolution lines._ Last Respects is exclusive to Basculegion and Houndstone, while Rage Fist is exclusive to Primeape and Annihilape. Granted, Rage Fist hasn't lifted Primeape out of ZU, but the point stands.
Also, look at Baton Pass. When you can build a team that focuses on facilitating the use of ONE move to essentially run away with the game unless your team is specifically built to counter it, it's not the Pokemon that's the problem - it's the move. But Smogon did a crazy song and dance by placing tighter and tighter restrictions on the move in a failed attempt to neuter it rather than doing the _simple thing_ and essentially banning the move outright by banning it from being used alongside boosting moves.
@@Snagavitch wtf are you talking about, they hate casual players still. They banned an entire status effect ffs
I feel like is too many
I actually do enjoy the mindgame of Teratypes, I think it´s the best feature since mega evolutions. What I dislike are mons like sneasler. Giving a pokemon an even more broken fake out than incineroar (bc of poison touch) and then even go further and invent "direclaw" a dmg dealing move that has very high probability to poison or put you asleep, is fkn too much. On top of that it´s just a very fast and decent physical attacker. It´s simply an abomination.
Mons that never should be allowed again, according to my opinion: (what follows is an old mans rant)
Sneasler (hate is real)
goldengo (bro is ugly as hell, delete it, please)
bloodmoon ursaluna (why does this even exist, regular ursaluna had a great use under trickroom and was strong enough...)
The move SPORE (if you need to fight against sleeping opponents and feel great if you beat them, get some courage)
The item loaded dice (bc of scale shot baxcalibur or mousehold and oh, wtf is mousehold...)
ultra beasts (those are NOT Pokemon, don´t lie to yourself, they suck, they ever did and they will for ever)
bann all fkn legendary and mythicals, they are a sign of skill issue.