As an Englishman, it was completely outrageous! Of all the ways we threw wickets away in that match, Bairstow's was the most utterly stupid. I'm almost ok with them getting out to stupid shots, but sheer doziness is inexcusable
Same. My missus thought I'd be angry at Australia.. I was like .. I'm angry at Jonny. I agree with Glen Maxwell that it feels a bit weird but it's 100% legitimate. It's only because came close to beating such a good team from such a bad position that some people are moaning Minnie's.
At the end of the day, he was not concentrating. It was .87 seconds from when the wicket keeper Alex Carey caught the ball and threw the stumps down. In fact, 20, threw the ball towards the stumps. The batsmen was actually still in his crease. It was all one motion. It is 100% within the rules and it is completely and 100% the fault of the batsmen for his dismissal no one else this is got to stop. This is ridiculous. Read the rules. And this whole Ben Stokes would've called him back his rubbish because his own wicket-keeper had been doing the same thing. All series in fact had done it twice in the match tried to throw out David Warner and against Marnus Labuschagne as well.
The best comment from last nights test match re the Bairstow dismissal came from English commentator Ian Ward who perfectly sums things up with this quote - "If an incident is within the Laws of the game how can you possibly be outside of the spirit of cricket"
Both controversial decisions by the umpires were right. It's just seen through the eyes of tribalism that the "catch" and "runout" is being fumed at Can't help stupid
Completely disagree. The whole point of the "spirit of cricket" is it transcends the laws. It's about withdrawing appeals, not being sneaky etc - regardless of what the laws say. But to imagine the "spirit of cricket" protects a professional cricketer who is so arrogant, he thinks he decides when the ball is dead, and just wanders out of his crease without even a backward glance, is unhinged. Bairstow was so stupid and self-absorbed and amateur, he probably lost England the game. Pat Cummins will sleep very well tonight, Bairstow should spend at least 48hrs not sleeping, just looking in the mirror.
I don't know what the situation with Bairstow but my friend spirit of sportsmanship doesn't have anything to do with laws. And also no one can argue against law. Thing about spirit of the sport is the one who stick with it gets respected from others while the one who doesn't care do not get the respect. It's totally up to the person to choose what you want more. Extreme circumstances would be like you can be the best in the world but no body respects you or give a fuck about you or the other way everyone respects you but you might not get the achievements you need. You just got to find a balance. If you give up the spirit of sports completely then it just becomes a war.. not a sport.
As an MCC member, thanks for your coverage and support, the behaviour of those individuals in the pavilion today was shameful and they will be dealt with appropriately.
As a fan it was shameful to watch. Ok no need to congratulate the Australians, but the language that was not expected by old white apparent gentleman, I guess they are born with MCC membership 70yrs ago
Loved the analysis guys. To be honest, I was not happy with the catch call yesterday but after watching you guys, I made peace with myself. This is exactly shoes on the other foot but I guess people just won't stop crying about the spirit of cricket.
@@maccabrad I think you may need to refer to law. It is about having control of the ball more than grounding it. Once you have control of the ball, grounding the ball doesn't matter. Not kidding. You can check it out
Just discovered your podcasts during this series. Thoroughly enjoying them and your intrinsic love of the game over all else shines through. No arguments over Bairstow's dismissal. He was just dozy. As an Englishman I love the edge in contests against Australia but ultimately the point of it should be friendly, if highly competitive, sibling rivalry and I was saddened to see the reaction today. Ultimately Australia are 2 up because they are, if only marginally, the better team. No more, no less. Oh, and yes, having watched far, far too many 3rd Division matches over the years, the 'always cheating' chant is as tiresome as it is unoriginal.
Couldn't agree with you more, Gary. I'm Australian and couldn't be more passionate about Test cricket, especially the Ashes. I love the competitiveness but so wish it could be a friendly rivalry. There is no place for booing from a crowd, English or Australian. Why can't we just celebrate brilliant cricket from either side?
Great analysis by the way guys, really articulate, thoughtful and passionate and imbued with the spirit of cricket. But Bill, I am at a loss when you say as an Australian, people shouldn't be booed. There is a different standard in the Members, but I just can't work out how that comment makes sense. I've been attending Test matches in Australia since the 70s. Maybe people "shouldn't" boo - but it's a pretty significant feature of a touring team's experience at every ground they play. If anything, the English crowds are more inventive lyrically and melodically, all power to them. Ever heard "[Insert good player's name here] is a wanker"? Am I missing something?
@@richardhume838 Nah you're right. As an Australian, the Barmy Army chants are witty and good fun. Wish we could be as witty and entertaining as crowds in Australia.
Load of partisan guff from Lemon. The reason for the 'feral' atmosphere is because Australia have a long proud history of being nasty, brutish cheating w@ankers. This team even has 2 players who had to be banned from playing because they were caught cheating. Australia won the test ... thats a fact now, bit they get zero respect or credit from me.
Arg, what a blow. England utterly deserved to lose tho. 3 hrs of short balls and Aust doesn't play in the spirit. Hypocrites. Hope they go out with a whimper
If you think that Sunshine, then the only spirit you will ever get near is a bottle of Jack Daniels. There are right ways to do things in life and there are wrong things to do in life. When you have incensed 20000 supporters who are normally well behaved you have done something very wrong.
Great analysis guys and at the end of the day he walked out of his crease when the ball was still well and truly alive. He actually threw the ball towards the stumps when he was still in his crease that's a very important Point to remember
@@5ty717 absolutely it is do you know what I think I don't think the English like the fact that we've outsmarted them on several occasions they don't like the fact that we set defensive fields in certain situations they don't like the fact that we don't bats like them they want to turn it into one day cricket where the test match is over in 3 days Australia wants to grind it out and get it into the 5th day and that's when we do our best work I think they are annoyed at the fact that we have outsmarted them
@@runawaypuppet 100%... I hope we win at Leeds and rub their noses in it to be really honest we actually haven't played that well and we made a lot of mistakes as well they keep reflecting on the mistakes that's happened to them and the injustices but honestly we have not played it our best yet Steve Smith is only played one good innings ..green hasn't fired... we can get better that's for sure and I think we can win
@@runawaypuppet yep, I would also like the Australian cricket board to ban the barmy army from entering our games. Yeah before the series starts tell them that they are not welcome and they are not welcome because of their behaviour back home. In fact don't tell them before they get here, let them get here and then when I get to the gate to go into the stadium, just simply say sorry you're not welcome here goodbye I would laugh my head off
I stayed up to watch this. If I thought Australia was to going to romp home, I would have gone to bed at a decent hour and just watched the highlights. I stayed up because I thought this had the making of one of those classic tests, and that Stokes might just win another game. He was brilliant. The cricket was great.
Bowling 3 hours of bouncers is not in the spirit of cricket, plus it also goes against their philosophy of bazball. But let's not talk about that haha.
Of course, that’s out. If let’s say Bairstow didn’t wander out of the crease, and the throw from Carey ricochets off the stumps to a vacant space, Bairstow and Stokes would have run a bye while considering the ball is still live. Same thing applies here too.
Not only that, but Stokes was visibly upset at the post match conference when a reporter asked him, if it’s not in the spirit of the game, is he going to ask Bairstow to stop doing the same thing that he got out for! So it’s ok for the whinging Poms to attempt that themselves, but when the shoes on the other foot, the cry like babies… as usual!!
But in that situation both batter and fielder know the ball is alive. The issue here is the batter thought the ball was dead (wrongly) he essentially got out by a mis-communication rather then a contest.
@@wickerworld how was there miscommunication. He literally waited like a second to then wander down the pitch. Carey grabbed it and threw it. Just dopey from dozey Bairstow.
I’ve started listing to you both recently, and I really love your analysis. You both seem very unbiased and genuine lovers of Cricket. And that’s really a ‘hot quality of hosts’! Keep up the good work! ❤🤗
As one who has endured a lifetime of chatter about 'Mankading', coined by Australians and repeated ad nauseum by others, including luminaries like Shane Warne, I am chuffed at the thought of coining 'Careying' ... not only do you get a crucial wicket, you get a stumping credit on the way to a record, to add to the 4 or 5 already in the books for an Ashes series. Why the hell not... Jolly good to hear you talk about the Stokes knock, good enough to get him Player of the Match. Oh no, it didn't. Such is life. Talking of feral conditions, I remember SCG 2008. That was feral. It is always feral with the other side, just righteous indignation on your side. I could call you being feral based on how you carried on in your daily on the reaction to the Gill-Green catch a month ago, but obviously I'd be wrong. You were merely outraged at a few choice accusations. One major improvement over past performances though... No one talked about not crossing any bloody line. How I miss the good ol' days, not!
@@endakis1Thanks for the tip. Sorry, felt no different than all the previous attempts. But if you wish me to be silent, sorry to disappoint. Been doing it most of my life, but not always. Now let's see if you can give this a miss. I know I can, looking ahead.
Great commentary - your love of the game and attentiveness to what matters shines through. Spirit of the game? You guys are really serving that spirit.
The ironic thing ..which they fail to bring up bring up Australia when it comes to the playing the game fair ..have a terrible record they bring on the themselves..you could mention the sandpaper ..the biggest form of cheating ..then you got the Greg dyer cheating catch ..you got the underarm accident .. like for them to talk about that ..cos under the rules it was not cheating .. heloooo you need to bowl an underarm to win a game .. we could on on and on about the Australian crowds ..they are not most racist ..and thugs .. but hey we don’t talk about oz crowds
@@pistolpetenaki what you fail to bring up that Bairstow himself tried exactly the same thing in the same game. Enough said. I agree with you about Aussie crowds being harsh, except the racist bit. Maybe forty years ago, but not now. There was a bizarre single allegation in Sydney a couple of years ago that never even made sense and was not substantiated by any of the 20 witnesses in earshot. Maybe some things are said somewhere, but I genuinely believe surrounding spectators would shut actual racism down real quick. For the most racist crowd, try tens of thousands of people in Mumbai chanting "Symonds is a monkey". Ever seen that clip? It's chilling. I commend your knowledge for remembering Greg Dyer, but he was innocent! He truly believed he caught it. Many fielders since then have claimed catches where the ball bobbled out, hit the ground, and returned to their hands. Most of them are innocent too. Looks bad, but it's a common trick our brains fall for. #FreeGregDyer Still definitely in agreement Aussies should not be hypocritical about crowds. We don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to general abuse. Plus we really should leave whinging to the experts. Australia 2, England 0.
didn't imagine I would be seeing Gideon Haigh casually walk by, can't wait for cricket etc tomorrow. great work as ever, Geoff and Adam, to go over the real talking points unlike the legacy media and their boffin ways.
I keep coming back to this video, because the explanation (from 4:41 on) of the situation is undoubtedly the most coherent I have come across, at a time when there is so much misundertanding/misrepesentation going on today. And how I wish, if people don't share views, they could find the capacity to realise it's OK to hold different positions on something without having to become abusive!
Great commentary blokes. Interesting behaviour from the fans, particularly those former MCC members in the Long Room. It’s just a game for goodness sake. It’s amazing what a few sherbets on a hot day do to people’s good judgement.
Partisan feelings aside. These test have been fantastic. I hope it goes to a decider at the oval but then I am English. This could be one of the great ashes series. First 2 have not disappointed!
Load of partisan guff from Lemon. The reason for the 'feral' atmosphere is because Australia have a long proud history of being nasty, brutish cheating w@ankers. This team even has 2 players who had to be banned from playing because they were caught cheating. Australia won the test ... thats a fact now, bit they get zero respect or credit from me.
Thanks for the great analysis guys. It is disappointing you have to spend so much time on the Bairstow stumping and not Stokes innings, or the drama of another great day of enthralling cricket.
Wonderfully put gents. As someone who has had the privilege of sitting in the SCG members stand during Ashes tests I would be deeply ashamed if a similar incident took place there.
@@damonclarke3741there's a clip of bairstow trying the exact same thing against Australia when marnus was batting in a different test. He misses the stumps by a few metres though because he's rubbish. And baz did it at least 4 times in his career.
These things go around in circles just didn't expect it to be in the same test. Everyone will be going through the rule book the next three days I'd expect.
@@damonclarke3741 Starc was showboating? He was sloppy, but that's harsh. Meanwhile Bairstow is just a simple man, who thought he was the one who decided when the ball was dead, without even a backward glance. That's the sort of accountability that explains why Baz and (the otherwise awesome) Ben Stokes are still trying to claim victory in both tests. Ask any neutral who the better team was in both games, you might get a nasty shock. Back in the real world, it's Australia 2, England 0.
@@damonclarke3741 It did happen to us, in this test......But Bairstow is not the keeper that Carey is, so thankfully all good. But if he did this to one of our batsmen, then it is out. Simple.
@@geoffbutler2893 I think they’ve explained it perfectly in this video - if that ball goes to anyone other than the keeper and they run him out it’s fine, and if that is Bairstow running out Warner it’s fine. End of.
@@watkinsrory Yes it was wrong . And no way in the spirit of the game anyone who knows about cricket . Doesnt mean every law is right thats a crazy thing to say
Stokes was outstanding. My mate, newer to cricket, was furious that we let him do what he did, but I had to explain that sometimes in cricket (and in sport), some players just find an extra gear within themselves that few others possess. If opening the batting is being in the zone, then the state of flow that Stokes gets into for these second innings great escapes is something else entirely
the media are going to talk relentlessly about the Bairstow thing until Headingly, rather than focusing on yet again, England throwing this game away. 188-1, Australia had no idea what to do, Lyon goes off injured, short ball tactic, and they took the bait and threw it away. there hasn't been much in these 2 games, but Australia have just been smarter.
It's out in any form of cricket what ever age group is playing. The sad thing is this test will be remembered for the wrong reasons. It was a fantastic test match between two competitive teams.
English through and through and living in Australia. Couldn’t agree with your comments more… game was lost in first innings both with the ball and then the bat for England. Cricket has been amazing though frustrating as an English fan…. Aus well worth the 2 nil lead
Nice comments from a fan. Sport isn't always fair. Hope you enjoy Australia, seems to be changing hey. Stokes is incredible, you should be proud great game to watch. As an Aussie hope u win a test
@@gp9499 had I been there no doubt I’d be caught up in the emotion of it all and would see things differently. As I wasn’t there it’s easier to be a bit more level headed… moving forward I think we are going to win 3-2 😉
One thing that's sad is how the crowd and longroom was unified just yesterday when they were appreciating Lyons heroics. The most wholesome moment in the series will be forgotten now.
It will be remembered long after the tsunami of whinging has run its course. Maybe even longer than Stokes's incredible innings. It's a truly sacred Australian moment when the Ashes meets the ANZAC spirit. #neverforgotten
Interestingly Stuart Broad, James Anderson and commentator Kevin Pietersen were in the 2008 England team that sent NZ batsman Grant Elliott packing after being run out when knocked flat mid-pitch by bowler Ryan Sidebottom. The Brits turned down an offer to reverse the 'out'. England coach McCullum was on the field that day too, for NZ ... so the "spirit of the game" evidently depends on what side you're on and the state of play. It's apparently not a neutral code, unlike the laws of the game.
I heard someone say before all this in a joking way, that McCallum spends his time asleep on the lounge. It's as if nobody in the English dressing room was aware of what Bairstow was doing. You notice that the umpires had to go to the third umpire. Everyone was asleep except Carey atl least.
Haha I think it was great theater. A classic moment to remember especially with Stoke’s courageous response! England are fuming and Australia are laughing. It could quite easily be the other way around.🎉
Great analysis of Bairstow decision. Carey caught the ball and threw it in one motion. And you are absolutely right is Carey missed the ball, Bairstow would’ve been walking down the wicket, turned around and saw there were runs on offer and ran
I’ll caveat this by saying that what I’m about to say doesn’t detract from his bowling or his effort today with the bat. All that being said, Broad really deserves more scrutiny for his behaviour. Part of the reason the English crowd gets riled up into the putrid state it does is because of his antics - and in no way is that accidental or without forethought. Indeed, stokes when being interviewed post match said something to the effect of “Broady came up to me and asked if he should wind himself back a bit but I told him no.” There is no difference between someone like Michael Clarke saying something horrific and being aggressive to Broad amping the English crowd up to such a degree that they’ll do it for him. He is a repeat offender in this regard - and he never seems to be called out for it.
Because the Poms always claim superiority and the high moral ground. And yet their captain is thug who king hits people on dark nights in the streets. Such and lovely bunch. 2-zip! Suck on that for a bit.
When you consider his history, the whole 'spirit of the game' rubbish coming from him is just ridiculous. The guy is a born flog. At least Jimmy has a bit of grace and class about him. Stuart is an absolute goose. Stokes always wants to have it both ways. He said the pie chucker Robinson did nothing wrong in sending off Usman with a foul-mouthed tirade after making 140 but now wants to piss & moan about 'spirit' and all this nonsense.
Agree with Geoff abt the reaction to the members' booing in the Long Room. My siblings and I were chatting on whatsapp as it happened coz we were watching and texting each other....We all said variations of " oh F*ck off " in 4 languages in response to this. Appalling from the members!
Interesting how many of us Aussies are suddenly saying this is great presence of mind from Carey and batsmen shouldn’t be walking out of their crease but the same people will say that ‘mankading’ is against the spirit of the game and unsportsmanlike.
England can't have it both ways, if they want spirit of the game, Brook should have walked yesterday, if they want to follow laws of cricket, that's exactly what has happened.....they were the ones that opened the can of worms, not us. Also bowling bouncers for 3 hours, including at a tail ender on one leg.....that's not in the spirit of the game, but Aussies are cheats ey? No one else seems to be, we get abused by fans, members and have to cop it. Fuck 'em.....if they want to ditch spirit of the game so will we, let's bounce them for days, mankad our way to a series win and see what they say. I'm sick of it.
DeGrandhomme left his crease playing a shot and then shadowing a run and was run out in a conventional fashion. Regardless of whether you think this is right or wrong, that's just a false equivalence.
Well said as always boys. It's a shame that 5 days of thrilling cricket was reduced to ugly jeers and waffling about "spirit". Spirits are for whiskey bars and haunted houses, not sporting grounds.
English fan here. Well said lads. Bairstow was out fare and square. Should have stayed in his crease. I apologize for the shitty behavior of the members and the England fans.
As an Australian that's very kind of you. I am a great fan of the British people and wish you and the English cricket team all the best for the remainder of this series and those to come my friend.
@damonclarke3741 Question: Bairstow attempted it twice with Warner & Smith, Duckett should have walked when Starc clearly caught him, 'Ethics ' why don't batsman walk when they know their out? Broad has done this....Eng v Nz who didn't follow 'Spirt of the game' when De Grandhomme was run-out after an appeal, he wasn't even running. You dirty weak Poms evolved cheating. Rich white men couldn't handle Irish stealing bread in 1778, sent them to Australia, now our Men & Women play cricket better than you tossers
As an Englishman, Bairstow made a huge mistake by walking out of the crease before asking the keeper or opposing captain if he could do so, that is standard. I do not blame the Aussies at all. Another thing we keep on shooting ourselves in the foot by getting out when set and playing ridiculous shots. What a position we were in on Day 2 only to completely throw it away. Australia are playing good cricket and that’s all they need to do against this England side that is playing immature cricket. Stokes is a force of nature and we are blessed to have him. Tongue looks like a great prospect and Broad is still doing a job with the ball. Mustn’t forget Duckett who did well in this match. However, that is it. Australia have great bowling with Cummins and Starc and very good batting. Australia deserved to win. Apologies for the MCC members and the booing crowd. Hopefully we will come back at Headingly and give you a better game.
Thank you a smart pom. A lot (not all) English fans seem to forget that England bounced us for 3 hours and Brook didn't walk even though Starc's catch was called not out. That's been a catch for 100+ years, if you look a t the laws yes it is not out, but come on, that's a catch......bouncing a tail ender on one leg, is that in the spirit of the game? It's one or the other, spirit or laws, a lot of English fans seem to want to have whatever suits them innthat moment.
Anyone complaining about Carey’s stumping of Bairstow need to go look at all the footage of Bairstow AND McCullum doing the exact same thing. If Bairstow had done that to Warner of some of Broads bowing the Poms would be cheering it on as a genius move. I look forward to the English crying about this f
Finally, two Poms that understand the Rules of British Bulldogs. Yes, we played it here in Oz here all those years ago. What insightful commentary. The only thing you guys got wrong was about the greatest All-rounder. I can only assume you meant 'for England' because no one compares to Sir Garfield Sobers. Though I may be wrong.
Excellent unbiased review, love your podcast and youtube channel. Keep up the good work. Stokes was brilliant and it's a shame most people aren't focussed on the positives rather than the negatives of Stark's Catch and Bairstow wicket. As mentioned very poor form by the patrons and members in the long room subjecting touring team to abuse, they should be embarrassed
Great reference to Stewart stumping Lara. Why is it that the spirit of cricket argument keeps coming up time and again? Has the frequency increased in the past few years?
Loving the commentary, guys! I'm an American who loves cricket, but I come by it honestly (my family is South Asian and I've lived in the UK since 1996). My Pakistani father, who would die before he cheered for an England team - I'm not even sure he would against India - *pitied Bairstow*, even as he said, 'What bakwas (nonsense) is this. You drift out of your crease, you get stumped.' Me: Even if it was Miandad? Dad, w/o hesitation: Yes.
Great summing up guys. Loved the comment about the Aussies being more in tune with the game than the English. Thinking about it, that's quite fair given that no Test Matches are on free to air TV in England so kids not longer grow up with it like I did, and presumably Australia does to this day. Lots of people I speak to about cricket have never really played, never really watched and only have watched T20 in one of its varietals, and think they know all about the game. The Starc catch I thought was an interesting decision. I've seen it accepted almost everywhere but the umpires had a point, so were correct. The Bairstow decision I have been on the receiving end of and I can confirm once you get over the anger at the wicketkeeper having the temerity of doing this... something that you have tried yourself ... the overriding feeling is that you have been a total plonker for doing it. I was fined severely for this (in beer of course) and hope JB has taken a pounding from his team. Certainly does not need sympathy. Anyway Australia annoyingly deserved to win both tests so far, so I hope we can return the compliment on Thursday. Thanks again for the post. Cheers all.
Ok this is the opinion I have been waiting all day. Yes, I agree it was careless especially when it is described as aimlessly wandering out of his crease, but when you watch Bairstow, he shrugs his shoulders and scuffs the crease for the end of the over. If it was mid over maybe I would feel different but, yes maybe that earlier comment about it just not feeling right. I think my problem is that it was the end of the over, so it is the one time each when you are leaving your crease.
Awesome show guys. Thank you!!! That pack mentality shit is real. I wager that most people don’t even know what they are booing about. Very disappointing to see that happen in the long room. I guess the rest is just down to passionate sports fans. 🏏🏏
The rules around "Obstructing the Field" sum up why some people are upset about the Bairstow dismissal and exactly why "The spirit of the game" vs "Rules are rules" applies. Unpleasantness is a key word. And so is the obligation of the umpire. 37.4 - Either batter is out Obstructing the field if, at any time while the ball is in play and, without the consent of a fielder, he/she uses the bat or any part of his/her person to return the ball to any fielder. When, after being played with the bat or hitting the batter, the ball comes to rest nearer the batter that any fielder, it may seem natural, polite and quickest for the batter to pick up the ball and give it to a fielder. There is some risk that the fielding team may construe the act to be a wilful obstruction. Traditionally, a batter would ask the fielding team's consent to touch the ball before doing so, but even if not, if there were any goodwill between the teams, the fielding team would be unlikely to appeal, and unlikely to have their appeal confirmed by their captain, but the umpire would be obliged to give the batsman out if an appeal was made. Batters were advised to ask to avoid the possibility of 'unpleasantness.' I guarantee this rule is broken every day of the week.
Bairstow was clumsy, but he did tap in the crease to signify that he was in, believed it was dead, and then went to chat with Stokes. That’s the key fact here that is important to the spirit of the game point.
Doesn’t matter that he tapped the crease. The rules clearly states, the ball is dead after both the batter and fielding team have finished with the ball. Clearly Carey hadn’t finished with the ball.
12-0, f off including the women's results On a serious note, these two tests have been really close, and I hope England wins the next one to make it interesting
Thanks Geoff and Adam for another very rational and unbiased review of the day's play and events. Well I say unbiased but I suspect you are biased in favour of good play. Worth following every episode.
Note that Stokes goes back and grounds his bat behind the crease as the ball hits Bairstows stumps... seems like he knew the rules and it was an instinct
Beautifully explained. As an Englishman, I was embarrassed by the outcry from the English fans yesterday. Embarrassed. Nice Gideon Haigh appearance in the pod tho.
I was recently startled to see where he ranked on the career runs list! Yes, I agree. I now wonder if lack of recognition was because he was so grumpy or the other way around. I still remember his part on Day 5 of an Adelaide Test when ABD scored the slowest 30+ of his career, Faf got his maiden ton, and Kallis limped out to keep him company and save the Test. And I remember Siddell's last over.
@@FinalWordCricket Kallis has an average of 55 batting with 45 100s and a 32 average with the ball with 292 wickets. Kallis played in a harder era. Kallis clear imo
When Australia bowled underarm to New Zealand in 1981, to stop them scoring a six from the last ball, that was within the laws of the game. The late, great Richie Benaud said it was the worst thing he'd seen on a cricket field. I think it he would feel the same about this.
Great analysis as usual guys, fair, balanced and proportionate. I think the issue about JB hasn't focused enough on how dozy he has been throughout the test match at Lords and Edgbaston. Not surprising, considering the career threatening injury plus with little or no red ball cricket coming into this game. Perhaps something the selectors can remedy for Headingly! Also controversially, some critique of the 'best mates' syndrome hindering the current England selection process, and how the sentimental selection of Anderson and the myopic selection of unfit Bairstow seriously undermined England's performance.
Anderson was in their best bowling options before the series if assessed neutrally. Just that he hasn't bowled his best, and they asked for flat tracks which don't suit that asset.
They had a massive cry over a perfectly normal and standard dismissal. You just dont see it often at test level because batsmen are rarely that dumb to wander off straight down the wicket. Its why all batsmen ground their bat behind the line or stay within it until the ump calls over. I can assure you as an ex-keeper there are stumpings from spinners and stumpings from seamers. It isnt controversial. Duckett could have just kept walking late on Day 4 when Starc took the catch....you know...in the spirit of cricket. He did actually know Starc caught it. Its phenomenal the crying that goes on these days.
Yes agree, I'm so old I remember the 70's/80's when batsman would just walk, Greg Chappell was one, than he made his bro bowl underarm at NZ. $$$$ has changed the game
As an Englishman, it was completely outrageous!
Of all the ways we threw wickets away in that match, Bairstow's was the most utterly stupid. I'm almost ok with them getting out to stupid shots, but sheer doziness is inexcusable
Same. My missus thought I'd be angry at Australia.. I was like .. I'm angry at Jonny. I agree with Glen Maxwell that it feels a bit weird but it's 100% legitimate. It's only because came close to beating such a good team from such a bad position that some people are moaning Minnie's.
At the end of the day, he was not concentrating. It was .87 seconds from when the wicket keeper Alex Carey caught the ball and threw the stumps down. In fact, 20, threw the ball towards the stumps. The batsmen was actually still in his crease. It was all one motion. It is 100% within the rules and it is completely and 100% the fault of the batsmen for his dismissal no one else this is got to stop. This is ridiculous. Read the rules. And this whole Ben Stokes would've called him back his rubbish because his own wicket-keeper had been doing the same thing. All series in fact had done it twice in the match tried to throw out David Warner and against Marnus Labuschagne as well.
The best comment from last nights test match re the Bairstow dismissal came from English commentator Ian Ward who perfectly sums things up with this quote - "If an incident is within the Laws of the game how can you possibly be outside of the spirit of cricket"
Spot on.
Completely agree. There are some extreme circumstances where a captain should withdraw an appeal, but this was easily not one of them.
Both controversial decisions by the umpires were right.
It's just seen through the eyes of tribalism that the "catch" and "runout" is being fumed at
Can't help stupid
Completely disagree. The whole point of the "spirit of cricket" is it transcends the laws. It's about withdrawing appeals, not being sneaky etc - regardless of what the laws say.
But to imagine the "spirit of cricket" protects a professional cricketer who is so arrogant, he thinks he decides when the ball is dead, and just wanders out of his crease without even a backward glance, is unhinged.
Bairstow was so stupid and self-absorbed and amateur, he probably lost England the game. Pat Cummins will sleep very well tonight, Bairstow should spend at least 48hrs not sleeping, just looking in the mirror.
I don't know what the situation with Bairstow but my friend spirit of sportsmanship doesn't have anything to do with laws. And also no one can argue against law. Thing about spirit of the sport is the one who stick with it gets respected from others while the one who doesn't care do not get the respect. It's totally up to the person to choose what you want more. Extreme circumstances would be like you can be the best in the world but no body respects you or give a fuck about you or the other way everyone respects you but you might not get the achievements you need. You just got to find a balance. If you give up the spirit of sports completely then it just becomes a war.. not a sport.
As an MCC member, thanks for your coverage and support, the behaviour of those individuals in the pavilion today was shameful and they will be dealt with appropriately.
Hopefully it’s our last ever test as this tiny village ground. Full of old fat drunk Tories with crooked teeth
As a fan it was shameful to watch. Ok no need to congratulate the Australians, but the language that was not expected by old white apparent gentleman, I guess they are born with MCC membership 70yrs ago
I hope they are dealt with. The behaviour was disgraceful from an organisation that considers itself as refined as they do
Thanks Sydney.
Loved the analysis guys. To be honest, I was not happy with the catch call yesterday but after watching you guys, I made peace with myself. This is exactly shoes on the other foot but I guess people just won't stop crying about the spirit of cricket.
yep - my thoughts exactly.
You ground the ball its not caught. Not even close to being similar
@@christianluker649You leave your crease before the ball is dead, you're out.
@@maccabrad I think you may need to refer to law. It is about having control of the ball more than grounding it. Once you have control of the ball, grounding the ball doesn't matter. Not kidding. You can check it out
The catch was not a catch under the rules of cricket
Just discovered your podcasts during this series. Thoroughly enjoying them and your intrinsic love of the game over all else shines through. No arguments over Bairstow's dismissal. He was just dozy. As an Englishman I love the edge in contests against Australia but ultimately the point of it should be friendly, if highly competitive, sibling rivalry and I was saddened to see the reaction today. Ultimately Australia are 2 up because they are, if only marginally, the better team. No more, no less.
Oh, and yes, having watched far, far too many 3rd Division matches over the years, the 'always cheating' chant is as tiresome as it is unoriginal.
Thanks Gary, very much appreciate your comment. Wish that today was just about the game, not the other stuff.
Couldn't agree with you more, Gary. I'm Australian and couldn't be more passionate about Test cricket, especially the Ashes. I love the competitiveness but so wish it could be a friendly rivalry. There is no place for booing from a crowd, English or Australian. Why can't we just celebrate brilliant cricket from either side?
Great analysis by the way guys, really articulate, thoughtful and passionate and imbued with the spirit of cricket.
But Bill, I am at a loss when you say as an Australian, people shouldn't be booed. There is a different standard in the Members, but I just can't work out how that comment makes sense.
I've been attending Test matches in Australia since the 70s. Maybe people "shouldn't" boo - but it's a pretty significant feature of a touring team's experience at every ground they play.
If anything, the English crowds are more inventive lyrically and melodically, all power to them. Ever heard "[Insert good player's name here] is a wanker"?
Am I missing something?
@@richardhume838 Nah you're right. As an Australian, the Barmy Army chants are witty and good fun. Wish we could be as witty and entertaining as crowds in Australia.
Well said.
Absolutely spot on about the mcc members Adam, just there to hand out their business cards
Mcc did the best thing
You boys convinced me about the catch yesterday, and were spot on about the behaviour at Lord's today. Love your work, much love from Sydney!
I stayed up to gloat. But Stokes was brilliant.
Load of partisan guff from Lemon.
The reason for the 'feral' atmosphere is because Australia have a long proud history of being nasty, brutish cheating w@ankers.
This team even has 2 players who had to be banned from playing because they were caught cheating.
Australia won the test ... thats a fact now, bit they get zero respect or credit from me.
Absolutely this
Arg, what a blow. England utterly deserved to lose tho.
3 hrs of short balls and Aust doesn't play in the spirit. Hypocrites. Hope they go out with a whimper
Yes me too, Ashes & TDF...Pommy hypocritics
"The spirit of cricket is invoked by people when it suits them and ignored when it doesn't". In this case its England 🙄🙄🙄
If you think that Sunshine, then the only spirit you will ever get near is a bottle of Jack Daniels. There are right ways to do things in life and there are wrong things to do in life. When you have incensed 20000 supporters who are normally well behaved you have done something very wrong.
Examples?
From the team of sandpapergate its hardly suprising with what happened today.
@@christianluker649 England
@@christianluker649woe to the vanquished fella 😂
Was looking forward to this today and you did not disappoint. Great show and thoughts guys.
Great analysis guys and at the end of the day he walked out of his crease when the ball was still well and truly alive. He actually threw the ball towards the stumps when he was still in his crease that's a very important Point to remember
Std stumping
@@5ty717 absolutely it is do you know what I think I don't think the English like the fact that we've outsmarted them on several occasions they don't like the fact that we set defensive fields in certain situations they don't like the fact that we don't bats like them they want to turn it into one day cricket where the test match is over in 3 days Australia wants to grind it out and get it into the 5th day and that's when we do our best work I think they are annoyed at the fact that we have outsmarted them
@@runawaypuppet 100%... I hope we win at Leeds and rub their noses in it to be really honest we actually haven't played that well and we made a lot of mistakes as well they keep reflecting on the mistakes that's happened to them and the injustices but honestly we have not played it our best yet Steve Smith is only played one good innings ..green hasn't fired... we can get better that's for sure and I think we can win
@@runawaypuppet yep, I would also like the Australian cricket board to ban the barmy army from entering our games. Yeah before the series starts tell them that they are not welcome and they are not welcome because of their behaviour back home. In fact don't tell them before they get here, let them get here and then when I get to the gate to go into the stadium, just simply say sorry you're not welcome here goodbye I would laugh my head off
I stayed up to watch this. If I thought Australia was to going to romp home, I would have gone to bed at a decent hour and just watched the highlights. I stayed up because I thought this had the making of one of those classic tests, and that Stokes might just win another game. He was brilliant. The cricket was great.
Well, England conveniently forget the World cup final fiasco when the Spirit Of the Cricket argument comes up. It's salty when its not in your favor.
Bowling 3 hours of bouncers is not in the spirit of cricket, plus it also goes against their philosophy of bazball. But let's not talk about that haha.
It may be time to give citizenship to more foreign players to play for England.All in the sprite of winning off course .
Of course, that’s out. If let’s say Bairstow didn’t wander out of the crease, and the throw from Carey ricochets off the stumps to a vacant space, Bairstow and Stokes would have run a bye while considering the ball is still live. Same thing applies here too.
Not only that, but Stokes was visibly upset at the post match conference when a reporter asked him, if it’s not in the spirit of the game, is he going to ask Bairstow to stop doing the same thing that he got out for! So it’s ok for the whinging Poms to attempt that themselves, but when the shoes on the other foot, the cry like babies… as usual!!
But in that situation both batter and fielder know the ball is alive. The issue here is the batter thought the ball was dead (wrongly) he essentially got out by a mis-communication rather then a contest.
@@wickerworld Heads up play by Carey, dopey stuff from Bairstow, the cherry on top of his pitiful performance with the gloves.
@@wickerworldWas it miscommunication or ignorance? Shouldn't it be the batsmen's responsibility to know when the ball is dead or alive?
@@wickerworld how was there miscommunication. He literally waited like a second to then wander down the pitch. Carey grabbed it and threw it. Just dopey from dozey Bairstow.
I’ve started listing to you both recently, and I really love your analysis. You both seem very unbiased and genuine lovers of Cricket. And that’s really a ‘hot quality of hosts’! Keep up the good work! ❤🤗
Hahaha. Good on you.
As one who has endured a lifetime of chatter about 'Mankading', coined by Australians and repeated ad nauseum by others, including luminaries like Shane Warne, I am chuffed at the thought of coining 'Careying' ... not only do you get a crucial wicket, you get a stumping credit on the way to a record, to add to the 4 or 5 already in the books for an Ashes series.
Why the hell not... Jolly good to hear you talk about the Stokes knock, good enough to get him Player of the Match. Oh no, it didn't. Such is life.
Talking of feral conditions, I remember SCG 2008. That was feral. It is always feral with the other side, just righteous indignation on your side. I could call you being feral based on how you carried on in your daily on the reaction to the Gill-Green catch a month ago, but obviously I'd be wrong. You were merely outraged at a few choice accusations.
One major improvement over past performances though... No one talked about not crossing any bloody line. How I miss the good ol' days, not!
Big miss on this rant. A nice deep breath will help. Stokes was unreal.
@@endakis1Thanks for the tip. Sorry, felt no different than all the previous attempts. But if you wish me to be silent, sorry to disappoint. Been doing it most of my life, but not always. Now let's see if you can give this a miss. I know I can, looking ahead.
The English crowd and particularly those in the Long Room lost any chance of being able to use 'Spirit of Cricket' as a defence with how they reacted
That's not the only reason, but a fair point.
Great commentary - your love of the game and attentiveness to what matters shines through. Spirit of the game? You guys are really serving that spirit.
Thanks Wayne.
The ironic thing ..which they fail to bring up bring up Australia when it comes to the playing the game fair ..have a terrible record they bring on the themselves..you could mention the sandpaper ..the biggest form of cheating ..then you got the Greg dyer cheating catch ..you got the underarm accident .. like for them to talk about that ..cos under the rules it was not cheating .. heloooo you need to bowl an underarm to win a game .. we could on on and on about the Australian crowds ..they are not most racist ..and thugs .. but hey we don’t talk about oz crowds
@@pistolpetenaki what you fail to bring up that Bairstow himself tried exactly the same thing in the same game. Enough said.
I agree with you about Aussie crowds being harsh, except the racist bit. Maybe forty years ago, but not now.
There was a bizarre single allegation in Sydney a couple of years ago that never even made sense and was not substantiated by any of the 20 witnesses in earshot. Maybe some things are said somewhere, but I genuinely believe surrounding spectators would shut actual racism down real quick.
For the most racist crowd, try tens of thousands of people in Mumbai chanting "Symonds is a monkey". Ever seen that clip? It's chilling.
I commend your knowledge for remembering Greg Dyer, but he was innocent! He truly believed he caught it. Many fielders since then have claimed catches where the ball bobbled out, hit the ground, and returned to their hands. Most of them are innocent too. Looks bad, but it's a common trick our brains fall for. #FreeGregDyer
Still definitely in agreement Aussies should not be hypocritical about crowds. We don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to general abuse. Plus we really should leave whinging to the experts.
Australia 2, England 0.
@@pistolpetenakiStay mad limey. 2 - 0. Go invent another sport we belt you at.
Cummins to Bairstow - “You just walked out on the Ashes mate!”. Well maybe Cummins won’t have said that, but Steve Waugh might have😂
Can’t believe only just discovered you blokes, love your reviews, down to earth, candid and real - unlike every other
Thanks a lot, welcome.
Excellent analysis gentlemen. It’s the attitude which matters than your bloody game after all❤
didn't imagine I would be seeing Gideon Haigh casually walk by, can't wait for cricket etc tomorrow. great work as ever, Geoff and Adam, to go over the real talking points unlike the legacy media and their boffin ways.
It’s a very good experience for me to listen the unbiased analysis from you guys. Keep going as the coming week could a series win for Australia.
Genuinely think Adam Collins has worn the same shirt-jacket combo throughout the week😭
I keep coming back to this video, because the explanation (from 4:41 on) of the situation is undoubtedly the most coherent I have come across, at a time when there is so much misundertanding/misrepesentation going on today.
And how I wish, if people don't share views, they could find the capacity to realise it's OK to hold different positions on something without having to become abusive!
Great commentary blokes. Interesting behaviour from the fans, particularly those former MCC members in the Long Room. It’s just a game for goodness sake. It’s amazing what a few sherbets on a hot day do to people’s good judgement.
Partisan feelings aside. These test have been fantastic. I hope it goes to a decider at the oval but then I am English. This could be one of the great ashes series. First 2 have not disappointed!
Load of partisan guff from Lemon.
The reason for the 'feral' atmosphere is because Australia have a long proud history of being nasty, brutish cheating w@ankers.
This team even has 2 players who had to be banned from playing because they were caught cheating.
Australia won the test ... thats a fact now, bit they get zero respect or credit from me.
Thanks for the great analysis guys. It is disappointing you have to spend so much time on the Bairstow stumping and not Stokes innings, or the drama of another great day of enthralling cricket.
Wonderfully put gents. As someone who has had the privilege of sitting in the SCG members stand during Ashes tests I would be deeply ashamed if a similar incident took place there.
Just a equalisation of the Starc catch. The rules say that Starc did not catch it and the rules say that Bairstow was run out. Great work by Carey.
Bairstow was showboating by assuming that ball was dead. Aus 2-0 up get stuffed haha.
@@damonclarke3741there's a clip of bairstow trying the exact same thing against Australia when marnus was batting in a different test. He misses the stumps by a few metres though because he's rubbish. And baz did it at least 4 times in his career.
These things go around in circles just didn't expect it to be in the same test. Everyone will be going through the rule book the next three days I'd expect.
@@damonclarke3741 Starc was showboating? He was sloppy, but that's harsh. Meanwhile Bairstow is just a simple man, who thought he was the one who decided when the ball was dead, without even a backward glance.
That's the sort of accountability that explains why Baz and (the otherwise awesome) Ben Stokes are still trying to claim victory in both tests. Ask any neutral who the better team was in both games, you might get a nasty shock.
Back in the real world, it's Australia 2, England 0.
@@damonclarke3741 It did happen to us, in this test......But Bairstow is not the keeper that Carey is, so thankfully all good. But if he did this to one of our batsmen, then it is out. Simple.
Discovered you guys during this test. Loved it. Really superb.
Great analysis as always and couldn't agree more with the comments about the anger taking away the spectacle of a fantastic day's cricket.
Yes, it's a shame but it does have that affect.
100% out and no English fans can complain about game spirit after their crowd reactions, World Cup final, Zak x Broad not walking etc.
No way . That was bad for cricket anyone who knows about cricket that was so wrong
@@geoffbutler2893 I think they’ve explained it perfectly in this video - if that ball goes to anyone other than the keeper and they run him out it’s fine, and if that is Bairstow running out Warner it’s fine. End of.
@geoffbutler2893 Are you saying that them laws of the game are bad for the game ? If its in the law it's in the spirit of the game.
@@watkinsrory Yes it was wrong . And no way in the spirit of the game anyone who knows about cricket . Doesnt mean every law is right thats a crazy thing to say
You think it was a catch to Starc?
From the long room to the several sets of stairs of berating fwit MCC members, how were only 3 suspended ?
Stokes was outstanding. My mate, newer to cricket, was furious that we let him do what he did, but I had to explain that sometimes in cricket (and in sport), some players just find an extra gear within themselves that few others possess. If opening the batting is being in the zone, then the state of flow that Stokes gets into for these second innings great escapes is something else entirely
the media are going to talk relentlessly about the Bairstow thing until Headingly, rather than focusing on yet again, England throwing this game away. 188-1, Australia had no idea what to do, Lyon goes off injured, short ball tactic, and they took the bait and threw it away. there hasn't been much in these 2 games, but Australia have just been smarter.
It's out in any form of cricket what ever age group is playing. The sad thing is this test will be remembered for the wrong reasons. It was a fantastic test match between two competitive teams.
English through and through and living in Australia. Couldn’t agree with your comments more… game was lost in first innings both with the ball and then the bat for England. Cricket has been amazing though frustrating as an English fan…. Aus well worth the 2 nil lead
Nice comments from a fan. Sport isn't always fair. Hope you enjoy Australia, seems to be changing hey. Stokes is incredible, you should be proud great game to watch. As an Aussie hope u win a test
@@gp9499 had I been there no doubt I’d be caught up in the emotion of it all and would see things differently. As I wasn’t there it’s easier to be a bit more level headed… moving forward I think we are going to win 3-2 😉
One thing that's sad is how the crowd and longroom was unified just yesterday when they were appreciating Lyons heroics. The most wholesome moment in the series will be forgotten now.
It will be remembered long after the tsunami of whinging has run its course. Maybe even longer than Stokes's incredible innings. It's a truly sacred Australian moment when the Ashes meets the ANZAC spirit. #neverforgotten
Interestingly Stuart Broad, James Anderson and commentator Kevin Pietersen were in the 2008 England team that sent NZ batsman Grant Elliott packing after being run out when knocked flat mid-pitch by bowler Ryan Sidebottom. The Brits turned down an offer to reverse the 'out'. England coach McCullum was on the field that day too, for NZ ... so the "spirit of the game" evidently depends on what side you're on and the state of play. It's apparently not a neutral code, unlike the laws of the game.
I heard someone say before all this in a joking way, that McCallum spends his time asleep on the lounge. It's as if nobody in the English dressing room was aware of what Bairstow was doing. You notice that the umpires had to go to the third umpire. Everyone was asleep except Carey atl least.
Poms holding themselves to the same standards they have for the rest of us 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah right.
Haha I think it was great theater. A classic moment to remember especially with Stoke’s courageous response! England are fuming and Australia are laughing. It could quite easily be the other way around.🎉
Great analysis of Bairstow decision. Carey caught the ball and threw it in one motion. And you are absolutely right is Carey missed the ball, Bairstow would’ve been walking down the wicket, turned around and saw there were runs on offer and ran
I’ll caveat this by saying that what I’m about to say doesn’t detract from his bowling or his effort today with the bat. All that being said, Broad really deserves more scrutiny for his behaviour. Part of the reason the English crowd gets riled up into the putrid state it does is because of his antics - and in no way is that accidental or without forethought.
Indeed, stokes when being interviewed post match said something to the effect of “Broady came up to me and asked if he should wind himself back a bit but I told him no.”
There is no difference between someone like Michael Clarke saying something horrific and being aggressive to Broad amping the English crowd up to such a degree that they’ll do it for him.
He is a repeat offender in this regard - and he never seems to be called out for it.
Agree100%
Because the Poms always claim superiority and the high moral ground. And yet their captain is thug who king hits people on dark nights in the streets. Such and lovely bunch. 2-zip! Suck on that for a bit.
I totally agree with you and was going to write a comment on that as well. Broady once again is a tosser.
Yep, spot on and there has not been enough focus on Broad’s role.
When you consider his history, the whole 'spirit of the game' rubbish coming from him is just ridiculous. The guy is a born flog. At least Jimmy has a bit of grace and class about him. Stuart is an absolute goose.
Stokes always wants to have it both ways. He said the pie chucker Robinson did nothing wrong in sending off Usman with a foul-mouthed tirade after making 140 but now wants to piss & moan about 'spirit' and all this nonsense.
Agree with Geoff abt the reaction to the members' booing in the Long Room. My siblings and I were chatting on whatsapp as it happened coz we were watching and texting each other....We all said variations of " oh F*ck off " in 4 languages in response to this. Appalling from the members!
We all thought the same thing then.
Interesting how many of us Aussies are suddenly saying this is great presence of mind from Carey and batsmen shouldn’t be walking out of their crease but the same people will say that ‘mankading’ is against the spirit of the game and unsportsmanlike.
England can't have it both ways, if they want spirit of the game, Brook should have walked yesterday, if they want to follow laws of cricket, that's exactly what has happened.....they were the ones that opened the can of worms, not us. Also bowling bouncers for 3 hours, including at a tail ender on one leg.....that's not in the spirit of the game, but Aussies are cheats ey? No one else seems to be, we get abused by fans, members and have to cop it. Fuck 'em.....if they want to ditch spirit of the game so will we, let's bounce them for days, mankad our way to a series win and see what they say. I'm sick of it.
Superb assessment and insights.
An oasis of calm in the turbulence of egg and bacon striped madness. thanks guys
I'm a newer cricket fan that found this channel during the wtc final. I'm loving these podcasts!
Welcome aboard.
Colin de Grandhomme says hi.
DeGrandhomme left his crease playing a shot and then shadowing a run and was run out in a conventional fashion. Regardless of whether you think this is right or wrong, that's just a false equivalence.
Geoff great explanation..you should have a podcast just explaining the laws of cricket in simple terms
Thanks Arjun, that would be a very niche show!
I would listen to it😊
Australia just too good. Won the match without Lyon.
England desperately looking for an excuse for losing again.
They feel like they won.
It's ok it'll be 5-0 to England in moral victories. Also they'll have a slightly higher run rate so that's equivalent to winning......
@@jehanariyaratnam2874don't forget, they entertained everyone 😂
Well said as always boys. It's a shame that 5 days of thrilling cricket was reduced to ugly jeers and waffling about "spirit". Spirits are for whiskey bars and haunted houses, not sporting grounds.
Brilliant analysis guys! Well done!
English fan here. Well said lads. Bairstow was out fare and square. Should have stayed in his crease. I apologize for the shitty behavior of the members and the England fans.
As an Australian that's very kind of you. I am a great fan of the British people and wish you and the English cricket team all the best for the remainder of this series and those to come my friend.
Cheers Mark. As everywhere, most supporters are good folk and some can't keep themselves together.
Bairstow was out plain and simple
And had his pants pulled down
Exactly
who exactly is saying it wasn't out? no-one . Is it in the spirit if the game? I dont think so.
@damonclarke3741 Question: Bairstow attempted it twice with Warner & Smith, Duckett should have walked when Starc clearly caught him, 'Ethics ' why don't batsman walk when they know their out? Broad has done this....Eng v Nz who didn't follow 'Spirt of the game' when De Grandhomme was run-out after an appeal, he wasn't even running. You dirty weak Poms evolved cheating. Rich white men couldn't handle Irish stealing bread in 1778, sent them to Australia, now our Men & Women play cricket better than you tossers
Get over it, the spirit of the game is to win within the rules, Australia did.
spot on analysis, thoroughly enjoyed it
Thanks a lot.
The best summation I’ve heard.
As an Englishman, Bairstow made a huge mistake by walking out of the crease before asking the keeper or opposing captain if he could do so, that is standard. I do not blame the Aussies at all. Another thing we keep on shooting ourselves in the foot by getting out when set and playing ridiculous shots. What a position we were in on Day 2 only to completely throw it away. Australia are playing good cricket and that’s all they need to do against this England side that is playing immature cricket. Stokes is a force of nature and we are blessed to have him. Tongue looks like a great prospect and Broad is still doing a job with the ball. Mustn’t forget Duckett who did well in this match. However, that is it. Australia have great bowling with Cummins and Starc and very good batting. Australia deserved to win. Apologies for the MCC members and the booing crowd. Hopefully we will come back at Headingly and give you a better game.
Thank you a smart pom. A lot (not all) English fans seem to forget that England bounced us for 3 hours and Brook didn't walk even though Starc's catch was called not out. That's been a catch for 100+ years, if you look a t the laws yes it is not out, but come on, that's a catch......bouncing a tail ender on one leg, is that in the spirit of the game? It's one or the other, spirit or laws, a lot of English fans seem to want to have whatever suits them innthat moment.
adam gilchrist scoring the fastest test century ever (to be broken later) at home during an ashes series was the best ever ashes innings.
They explain the Bairstow wicket very well.
Poms reckon Starc had to catch according to the laws of cricket, but Bairstow does not have to bat according to the laws of cricket😂
Agree, very well said
Botham with ball was 28.40, very good for a frontline seamer
Anyone complaining about Carey’s stumping of Bairstow need to go look at all the footage of Bairstow AND McCullum doing the exact same thing.
If Bairstow had done that to Warner of some of Broads bowing the Poms would be cheering it on as a genius move.
I look forward to the English crying about this f
Finally, two Poms that understand the Rules of British Bulldogs. Yes, we played it here in Oz here all those years ago. What insightful commentary. The only thing you guys got wrong was about the greatest All-rounder. I can only assume you meant 'for England' because no one compares to Sir Garfield Sobers. Though I may be wrong.
They're Australian. They do sound a bit posh for Aussies though.
Very well put Guys !!! Well explained !!!
Thanks bro
Excellent unbiased review, love your podcast and youtube channel. Keep up the good work. Stokes was brilliant and it's a shame most people aren't focussed on the positives rather than the negatives of Stark's Catch and Bairstow wicket. As mentioned very poor form by the patrons and members in the long room subjecting touring team to abuse, they should be embarrassed
Thanks a lot, nice comment.
Great reference to Stewart stumping Lara. Why is it that the spirit of cricket argument keeps coming up time and again? Has the frequency increased in the past few years?
Also, disappointing that these conversations have overshadowed a brilliant Aussie performance and a Stokes masterclass
Thanks mate. There does seem to be a lot of it, maybe social media just amplifies it.
Loving the commentary, guys! I'm an American who loves cricket, but I come by it honestly (my family is South Asian and I've lived in the UK since 1996). My Pakistani father, who would die before he cheered for an England team - I'm not even sure he would against India - *pitied Bairstow*, even as he said, 'What bakwas (nonsense) is this. You drift out of your crease, you get stumped.' Me: Even if it was Miandad? Dad, w/o hesitation: Yes.
Great summing up guys. Loved the comment about the Aussies being more in tune with the game than the English. Thinking about it, that's quite fair given that no Test Matches are on free to air TV in England so kids not longer grow up with it like I did, and presumably Australia does to this day. Lots of people I speak to about cricket have never really played, never really watched and only have watched T20 in one of its varietals, and think they know all about the game. The Starc catch I thought was an interesting decision. I've seen it accepted almost everywhere but the umpires had a point, so were correct. The Bairstow decision I have been on the receiving end of and I can confirm once you get over the anger at the wicketkeeper having the temerity of doing this... something that you have tried yourself ... the overriding feeling is that you have been a total plonker for doing it. I was fined severely for this (in beer of course) and hope JB has taken a pounding from his team. Certainly does not need sympathy. Anyway Australia annoyingly deserved to win both tests so far, so I hope we can return the compliment on Thursday. Thanks again for the post. Cheers all.
And thanks for the very gracious comment, Mark. All the best.
Ok this is the opinion I have been waiting all day. Yes, I agree it was careless especially when it is described as aimlessly wandering out of his crease, but when you watch Bairstow, he shrugs his shoulders and scuffs the crease for the end of the over. If it was mid over maybe I would feel different but, yes maybe that earlier comment about it just not feeling right. I think my problem is that it was the end of the over, so it is the one time each when you are leaving your crease.
Deftly crafted piece… like the spartan utility of the f bomb too. …. thx guys.
Awesome show guys. Thank you!!! That pack mentality shit is real. I wager that most people don’t even know what they are booing about. Very disappointing to see that happen in the long room. I guess the rest is just down to passionate sports fans. 🏏🏏
No one said anything when they boooed broad and said he was a shit bloke
Geoff absolutely spot on again regarding Bairstow dismissal as with the Starc catch
The rules around "Obstructing the Field" sum up why some people are upset about the Bairstow dismissal and exactly why "The spirit of the game" vs "Rules are rules" applies. Unpleasantness is a key word. And so is the obligation of the umpire.
37.4 - Either batter is out Obstructing the field if, at any time while the ball is in play and, without the consent of a fielder, he/she uses the bat or any part of his/her person to return the ball to any fielder.
When, after being played with the bat or hitting the batter, the ball comes to rest nearer the batter that any fielder, it may seem natural, polite and quickest for the batter to pick up the ball and give it to a fielder. There is some risk that the fielding team may construe the act to be a wilful obstruction.
Traditionally, a batter would ask the fielding team's consent to touch the ball before doing so, but even if not, if there were any goodwill between the teams, the fielding team would be unlikely to appeal, and unlikely to have their appeal confirmed by their captain, but the umpire would be obliged to give the batsman out if an appeal was made. Batters were advised to ask to avoid the possibility of 'unpleasantness.'
I guarantee this rule is broken every day of the week.
Your argument makes no sense. If you don't want a horrible atmosphere then don't do sneaky stuff like that to get players out
Bairstow was clumsy, but he did tap in the crease to signify that he was in, believed it was dead, and then went to chat with Stokes. That’s the key fact here that is important to the spirit of the game point.
So the umpire should have ruled it dead ball. Not for Australia to pull back the appeal.
@@thakkermaharshi Scratched his crease. Umpires were unclipping bowler's headwear and moving for the end of over.
He should use bat😂.
Doesn’t matter that he tapped the crease. The rules clearly states, the ball is dead after both the batter and fielding team have finished with the ball. Clearly Carey hadn’t finished with the ball.
@@solasta that's not enough.. not according to the laws that are made and stored.. at Lord's
love your work, you guys
Thanks Rice Friend.
Very even and solid analysis of game.... really impressive
Great analysis. Spot on on the Bairstow stumping/run out. Fair play. Let that discussion be laid to rest now. 🙏🏼
Thanks a lot.
12-0, f off including the women's results
On a serious note, these two tests have been really close, and I hope England wins the next one to make it interesting
I don't, I want us to bury them 3-0 next test and make them hurt the way they have made us hurt 2011 in Aus.
Can’t believe Cummins threw the short ball dice for that long! Gutsy, but wooh 🤦🏼♂️
Thanks Geoff and Adam for another very rational and unbiased review of the day's play and events. Well I say unbiased but I suspect you are biased in favour of good play. Worth following every episode.
Thanks a lot, that's a nice tonic today.
The bit you missed with Bairstow 'stumping' Warner, the Aussies wouldn't have carried on with a song and dance. Entire saga is just ridiculous.
Guys, I was there and the chanting was ugly but the win was sweet. Sweet. Felt pretty nervous for a while there. Great stuff. Kids loved it too.
Great podcast I went to bed the stress was too much well done Australia
Haha, fair enough. Good decision, maybe!
Note that Stokes goes back and grounds his bat behind the crease as the ball hits Bairstows stumps... seems like he knew the rules and it was an instinct
Beautifully explained. As an Englishman, I was embarrassed by the outcry from the English fans yesterday. Embarrassed. Nice Gideon Haigh appearance in the pod tho.
Thanks Simon, appreciate you taking the time to comment.
When is a catch a catch and when is a stumping a stumping when the umpire says so
Golden moment. Bairstow looking like a total Chump as he's given out, what a plank he must have felt???
Kallis is clearly the greatest ever all rounder.
I was recently startled to see where he ranked on the career runs list! Yes, I agree. I now wonder if lack of recognition was because he was so grumpy or the other way around. I still remember his part on Day 5 of an Adelaide Test when ABD scored the slowest 30+ of his career, Faf got his maiden ton, and Kallis limped out to keep him company and save the Test. And I remember Siddell's last over.
Sobers has him covered. Bowled pace and spin.
@@FinalWordCricket Kallis has an average of 55 batting with 45 100s and a 32 average with the ball with 292 wickets. Kallis played in a harder era. Kallis clear imo
When Australia bowled underarm to New Zealand in 1981, to stop them scoring a six from the last ball, that was within the laws of the game. The late, great Richie Benaud said it was the worst thing he'd seen on a cricket field. I think it he would feel the same about this.
They can't both be the worst thing he's seen on a cricket field.
@@FinalWordCricket Then maybe this would be the third worst thing. The sandpaper has probably leapfrogged underarm!
“The spirit of the game” extends to the crowd behaving badly to the players in the hall too. That part was disgusting.
Brilliant effort by stokes, what a cricketer he is an absolute champion and im an Aussie but love the way he goes about it.
Sensational effort.
The crowd were ‘aggressive’ because of a a sense of injustice. Not because they lost…
The point is the members have a privilege, if they can't contain themselves they can get fucked.
LOL whinging pom
read the rules of the game. Afterall, you did write them yourselves.
Same old England, always losing
The rules state it's out. That's not the debate.
Good analysis guys
Cheers bollox
Great analysis as usual guys, fair, balanced and proportionate. I think the issue about JB hasn't focused enough on how dozy he has been throughout the test match at Lords and Edgbaston. Not surprising, considering the career threatening injury plus with little or no red ball cricket coming into this game. Perhaps something the selectors can remedy for Headingly! Also controversially, some critique of the 'best mates' syndrome hindering the current England selection process, and how the sentimental selection of Anderson and the myopic selection of unfit Bairstow seriously undermined England's performance.
Anderson was in their best bowling options before the series if assessed neutrally. Just that he hasn't bowled his best, and they asked for flat tracks which don't suit that asset.
Thanks Australia!
Patball - 2, Bazball-0, hoping for further demolition from Oz.
Good riddance from the "slope"
Cumball 2 - 0 Bazball
England winning moral ashes 2-0 while australia nab the actual thing
Are these demolition jobs, a narrow two wickets, and 40 runs, both seem pretty close to me from NZ.
@@andrewzielinski8845 Finally, someone rational. These Aussies are insufferable.
They had a massive cry over a perfectly normal and standard dismissal. You just dont see it often at test level because batsmen are rarely that dumb to wander off straight down the wicket. Its why all batsmen ground their bat behind the line or stay within it until the ump calls over. I can assure you as an ex-keeper there are stumpings from spinners and stumpings from seamers. It isnt controversial. Duckett could have just kept walking late on Day 4 when Starc took the catch....you know...in the spirit of cricket. He did actually know Starc caught it. Its phenomenal the crying that goes on these days.
Yes agree, I'm so old I remember the 70's/80's when batsman would just walk, Greg Chappell was one, than he made his bro bowl underarm at NZ. $$$$ has changed the game
Well explained Geoff. Spot on!
I feel like the fact that Australia won this with 10 men. Having Nathan Lyon would’ve changed the complexion of this run chase dramatically.
They would never have gotten close with Lyon playing.