Nice comparison start. I've been hoping for this. You are the only one of 3 who liked the sights on the Markpoint for reviews I've watched so far. Everyone else added a rail and red dot. 😂 Both are solid pistols in their own way it seems. I like when you touched the Ruger and called it the Umarex. Technically they are both Umarex, but I'd argue the markpoint is more so. 😅
At this point I’d argue anyone who prefers the sights on the Mk IV, was extremely lucky or hasn’t shot them much. You’ll hear why I make that statement in part 2. But it’s true, not just being mean. Ps. I agree about the Markpoint being more Umarex.
@@AlsAirguns even with the adjustability of the ruger sights, you prefer the markpoint fixed sights? I'm about to finally test my DX17 sights, I can never tell where things are going in relation to my poa...
In many examples of the Mark IV, mine included, the adjustable sight lacks sufficient travel to actually get on target with a traditional six o’clock hold. Mine shoots way left. Additionally the front sight is hard to pick up against the black rear sight and a black bulls eye. There is very little light on the sides of the front target blade and the red fiber optic isn’t very bright especially indoors. The sights on the Markpoint are orange rear and a narrow grey blade in front. The show up great against targets. Mine shot to point of aim out of the box and the size of the rear notch and front blade provided a clear sight picture that allows for easy side to side or elevation adjustments via good old Kentucky windage.
After loooooooong thinking and contemplating I opted for Remington 1875 those other two have notoriously bad triggers,nothing wrong with the guns but 1875 is perfect,pellets only I am simple guy but joy loading is priceless soooo good luck felas
The browning version fires on its own if you bump it when cocked. Be careful it gets worse with age. The ruger model is probably the same inner workings.
Yes the sear designs are similar and yes use good gun safety and then double it. Lets see how these new lineup work out. I need to look online and find a parts schematic and see what is different, that safety in the rear of grip is new, different, improved? Well 2 safeties are better then 1, right?@@andrewsock1608
That could be. The visible parts of the action have changed. If my memory serves the break action in the BuckMark used a “chisel detent “ for locking the barrel. The Ruger looks different. IMO an auto-setting safety like the Ruger adds much complexity over the basic slide on - slide off manual safety and are therefore more likely to malfunction due to wear, out of spec production and other reasons.
For the price these are on point for the targeted market. There is a pun there I am sure. I have been waiting for both THIS umarex break barrel air pistol and they have an even lower priced Umarex DSX-45 .177 Caliber BB Gun Air Pistol, a modern looking 1911 spring powered magazine fed 10 to 20 bb's. Both are lowest priced on the market and again aimed for the beginning, youth size users in cocking effort. Few years back Umarex came out with your Ruger Mark IV and the Buckmark. They were superb licensed copies and very fun. BOTH of them do have a consistent safety issue, not with the safety but with the sear once cocked and when loading, they disengage the slam shut. Not life threatening, but a common issue. If dry fired or also a worse idea was decocking by holding barrel down, pull trigger with safety off and slowly raise barrel, no no, load a pellet and shoot a safe target. Even when used 100% properly it can happen. For $50ish air pistols, they are good copies. Umarex USA and Europe do not sell parts for them, so I just bought a cheap used one online and transferred the parts needed, why transfer? I had already did all the improvements to mine and just needed the 1 part I couldn't fabricate myself. 20 plus years ago, Beeman/Marksman had the Model 2004/P-17. For their price then and even now, they are far above in quality and accuracy. Yet the strength needed to load and close made them an adult air pistol. Just back a few years ago, Gamo tried their attempt with a P900, first in spring then in gas piston. The SHORT barrel made them even harder to cock then the P17. I never had the Gamo, I did see many video reviews note the gritty, rough mechanics. Just ahead about 1 year back, a short and long barrel clones of the P900 is around, seems some are even an 6mm or airsoft. Jump to present, Umarex has learned from other companies experiences and seemed to be on a path to success. No matter what, the LONGER barrel makes it WAY nicer to cock and seems to help with consistent grouping, with fixed sights, like an old cowboy 6 shooter, fixed sights, teach shooters to learn Kentucky Windage, which is never a bad skill to learn. Sorry so long, you have put alot of effort in sharing these airguns and I am looking forward to seeing your future releases. You have a great video presentation model to your channel and hey, great job, I only say it when it is earned and not before. Great job
Thanks, this information is much appreciated. I’ll be releasing the part 2 soon but as you might expect I’m seeing an extra 100 fps out of the Markpoint.
Big fan of air pistols. BUT just look at it @5:03 looks like a $9.99 Nerf pistol, its without a doubt one of the ugliest things i have ever seen. It looks a toy, horrible colours, wtf is the orange bits all about? the trigger guard & barrel just makes me feel ill looking at it. Just noooo.😆 Ruger hands down far far better looking pistol imho 👍🏻
Nice pistols Al. I am into my pistols lately as well due to my short distance range.
Hey brother, I’ve missed you, Glad you liked the videos. An indoor range can be a real blessing. Enjoy.
Recently purchased the uramex mark point , waiting on arrival great review!
Thanks,l hope you enjoy it. 👍🏻
Nice comparison start. I've been hoping for this. You are the only one of 3 who liked the sights on the Markpoint for reviews I've watched so far. Everyone else added a rail and red dot. 😂 Both are solid pistols in their own way it seems.
I like when you touched the Ruger and called it the Umarex. Technically they are both Umarex, but I'd argue the markpoint is more so. 😅
At this point I’d argue anyone who prefers the sights on the Mk IV, was extremely lucky or hasn’t shot them much. You’ll hear why I make that statement in part 2. But it’s true, not just being mean.
Ps. I agree about the Markpoint being more Umarex.
@@AlsAirguns even with the adjustability of the ruger sights, you prefer the markpoint fixed sights?
I'm about to finally test my DX17 sights, I can never tell where things are going in relation to my poa...
In many examples of the Mark IV, mine included, the adjustable sight lacks sufficient travel to actually get on target with a traditional six o’clock hold. Mine shoots way left. Additionally the front sight is hard to pick up against the black rear sight and a black bulls eye. There is very little light on the sides of the front target blade and the red fiber optic isn’t very bright especially indoors.
The sights on the Markpoint are orange rear and a narrow grey blade in front. The show up great against targets. Mine shot to point of aim out of the box and the size of the rear notch and front blade provided a clear sight picture that allows for easy side to side or elevation adjustments via good old Kentucky windage.
After loooooooong thinking and contemplating I opted for Remington 1875 those other two have notoriously bad triggers,nothing wrong with the guns but 1875 is perfect,pellets only I am simple guy but joy loading is priceless soooo good luck felas
I think you made a really cool choice. Please let us know how it goes. 👍🏻
The browning version fires on its own if you bump it when cocked. Be careful it gets worse with age.
The ruger model is probably the same inner workings.
Actually the BuckMark and Mark IV are quite different.
@@AlsAirguns I think the sear is the same
Yes the sear designs are similar and yes use good gun safety and then double it. Lets see how these new lineup work out. I need to look online and find a parts schematic and see what is different, that safety in the rear of grip is new, different, improved? Well 2 safeties are better then 1, right?@@andrewsock1608
That could be. The visible parts of the action have changed. If my memory serves the break action in the BuckMark used a “chisel detent “ for locking the barrel. The Ruger looks different.
IMO an auto-setting safety like the Ruger adds much complexity over the basic slide on - slide off manual safety and are therefore more likely to malfunction due to wear, out of spec production and other reasons.
Personally my vote goes for then Ruger I'm old I like the more traditional style 😊
I totally get that! Thanks for weighing in.
For the price these are on point for the targeted market. There is a pun there I am sure. I have been waiting for both THIS umarex break barrel air pistol and they have an even lower priced Umarex DSX-45 .177 Caliber BB Gun Air Pistol, a modern looking 1911 spring powered magazine fed 10 to 20 bb's.
Both are lowest priced on the market and again aimed for the beginning, youth size users in cocking effort.
Few years back Umarex came out with your Ruger Mark IV and the Buckmark. They were superb licensed copies and very fun. BOTH of them do have a consistent safety issue, not with the safety but with the sear once cocked and when loading, they disengage the slam shut. Not life threatening, but a common issue. If dry fired or also a worse idea was decocking by holding barrel down, pull trigger with safety off and slowly raise barrel, no no, load a pellet and shoot a safe target. Even when used 100% properly it can happen. For $50ish air pistols, they are good copies. Umarex USA and Europe do not sell parts for them, so I just bought a cheap used one online and transferred the parts needed, why transfer? I had already did all the improvements to mine and just needed the 1 part I couldn't fabricate myself.
20 plus years ago, Beeman/Marksman had the Model 2004/P-17.
For their price then and even now, they are far above in quality and accuracy. Yet the strength needed to load and close made them an adult air pistol.
Just back a few years ago, Gamo tried their attempt with a P900, first in spring then in gas piston. The SHORT barrel made them even harder to cock then the P17. I never had the Gamo, I did see many video reviews note the gritty, rough mechanics. Just ahead about 1 year back, a short and long barrel clones of the P900 is around, seems some are even an 6mm or airsoft.
Jump to present, Umarex has learned from other companies experiences and seemed to be on a path to success.
No matter what, the LONGER barrel makes it WAY nicer to cock and seems to help with consistent grouping, with fixed sights, like an old cowboy 6 shooter, fixed sights, teach shooters to learn Kentucky Windage, which is never a bad skill to learn.
Sorry so long, you have put alot of effort in sharing these airguns and I am looking forward to seeing your future releases. You have a great video presentation model to your channel and hey, great job, I only say it when it is earned and not before. Great job
Thanks, this information is much appreciated. I’ll be releasing the part 2 soon but as you might expect I’m seeing an extra 100 fps out of the Markpoint.
Big fan of air pistols. BUT just look at it @5:03 looks like a $9.99 Nerf pistol, its without a doubt one of the ugliest things i have ever seen. It looks a toy, horrible colours, wtf is the orange bits all about? the trigger guard & barrel just makes me feel ill looking at it. Just noooo.😆 Ruger hands down far far better looking pistol imho 👍🏻
It’s different for sure. You’re not alone in preferring the looks of the Ruger. Thanks for weighing in.
@@AlsAirguns 👍🏻