For the people commenting about how black ops 3 is more deserving of this title, other games are also worth appreciation even if they aren’t the bestest zombies game ever. So I ask of you to kindly save your comment about how much you think bo3 is good, or how it changed zombies, or how it ended world hunger. Thank you.
You can't make the massive generalization that no other cod game's zombies will ever be like black ops 2 zombies, then back track in the comments and say you shouldn't compare black ops 2 zombies to black ops 3 zombies because it is as equally worth appreciation as any other game. Black ops 3 zombies is EVERY zombies game if you account for the very much alive and thriving modding scene. If we're talking without mods, it is still on an equal level of quality at LEAST. If you meant overall difference from other games with the title, the point still stands. Hence why people keep bringing up bo3, cause it can literally be everything bo2 is through mods. Your video makes a lot of good points about black ops 2 zombies and its quality. I can't disagree with many of the points you make, but you just listed why bo3 zombies is good and thats it. Nothing about how no other game will be like bo2. Edit: Jumped the gun there earlier due to youtube auto-deleting my comment for using what it deems as a naughty word... my point still stands though.
@@brolaire8851 in my intro, I clarified why the video was titled this way, which was the unique approach this game took and how the devs dealt with it's initial criticism at release. The title had nothing to do with the quality of the game. I even say that the game isn't my favorite in the series, so I still stand by the decision to title this way. I made the comment to stop any comments related to black ops 3's greatness how it's the best thing to grace human civilization, as I never claimed in the video that bo2 was the best game in terms of zombies. what was my terrible mistake is that in this pinned comment, I was implying that it was about the game's greatness. that was because I made the comment haphazardly without giving it any thought. I'll still leave the comment to remind myself to actually think about what I'm saying first.
I really wish they made more maps in the style of the victis maps/nuketown. Cracked tectonic plates, all the debris shit in the atmosphere blocking the sun, destroyed cityscapes, prior signs of battles against the undead, it’s truly an amazing setting and style for a zombies map.
I would love more maps that are designed this way. There’s something so awesome about going on a rooftop in dierise, and seeing the absolute destruction around you.
@@zestymoon one of the best examples is the starting room on buried where your standing on the edge of the chasm. Just a giant hole in the earth in front of you full of lava and cracked plates sticking up in all directions with destroyed cities on top of them. Wish we got to see that cut flooded city map based on fallen angel too. Pretty sure die rise was intended to have a ground level survival map as well, custom map modders wya
@@Ingaldretbf a LOT of us were hating on them when this game was out every dlc it was "OH DO WE GET THE OGS. oh, no? Well. Would've been cooler w them, 5/10."
Did you know early on in Tranzit's development, the bus tires could go flat and you'd have to repair them, there was a departure timer, gas, potential for ambushes in every other location, in addition to 3 extra survival locations in cornfield, power, and tunnel.
I heard about alot of this cut content. It’s really interesting the vision they planned for tranzit. It’s a shame they got the development time or the console power they needed
Power Station would be Power Factory (that means it would be A LOT bigger than Power Station) and the only other cut location I know of is Motel. I'm not sure what the third location would be.
But why the fuck did they have to be a thing. Why couldn’t it just be oh, buy another door or something nah dude, let the randoms screw like 6 games out of 7 for like taking the jetgun parts and dying in the pit at power or turning the power on and off again and again
Lex is right, with the lack of zombies new official content since vanguard, the amount of new retrospectives, challenges and new videos on zombies by "new" and small chanels is amazing, and I'm enjoying every second of it!
Tranzit’s biggest flaw is that it was too ambitious for its time, even if it was fundamental for building what would become. Tranzit’s the kind of map that would benefit from a Remaster the most, because it could be redesigned with more advanced design philosophies in mind. If the lessons have been learned, why not apply them where they weren’t before?
I have been watching a silly amount of zombies content recently and I’m glad someone finally addressed even in passing how fucking weird it is that “Leroy” is a character. Being disabled is so fun
@@zestymoon think its just purely nostalgia. i love it bc i have good memories and it was my first zombies, but i think id hate it if it was released now
Wanted to commend you for the hours you poured into creating this behemoth of a retrospective. I felt your critiques were fair and well articulated. I will say that your Die Rise over Mob of the Dead take was scorching hot, not one I’m on board with. Overall, excellent work man 💯
BO2 had that atmosphere that is unmatched, the settings of zombies has that "conspiracy" coming to life. BO1 had a lot of cold war conspiracies coming to life in zombies, and BO2 kept a good amount of that in Tranzit (a seemingly normal town that holds a Top Secret Government Project), Die Rise (Sky rises that has evidence of elemental manipulation in the aether to control the zombies [Spheres]) MOTD (cmon, it's alcatraz and zombies), and Buried (Western town buried deep within). ORIGINS stands out to be the one that changes everything story wise due to the alternative universe shenanigans.
Only one I disagree with it Mob despite it still being fun. Mob is basically its own separate thing from all the rest. But it makes sense that Mob and Origins don't follow this pattern since they had different a creator than all the previous maps in the series by that point
Black Ops II zombies felt like Treyarch was giving me the middle finger for being a casual player. Black Ops had it's fair share of tedium, but this game's maps were just downright bewildering unless you invested time into watching guides on how to figure out the gimmick of the day and where the dozens of items were. Mob of the Dead and Origins were the only maps I really bothered spending any amount of time on, but even then I'd go back to WaW or Black Ops since most of the content on those maps doesn't require doing ten steps of a ritual, then sacrificing your firstborn child to Moloch just to access.
This is a very understandable perspective. The game outright requires looking up guides to access some of the main map’s content, which can be a major turnoff due to it coming off as gatekeeping.
I think only investing time in mob and origins might have affected your thoughts here, because when I think of a game like you describe, I think of everything BO3 and beyond. I agree that mob and origins are pretty tedious sometimes and require a guide, but you don't really have to do anything *too* complicated in Tranzit, Die Rise, or Buried to turn on power or get pack imo. Its generally just opening a few doors. It can get *weird*, sure, like having Leroy charge at doors with booze, waiting for elevators, or leaving a turbine in the power room to open the pack a punch room (yeah this one is kinda dumb), but those were simple enough that my friends and I found them all out by ourselves in 2012/2013. Meanwhile, we still need to dual wield youtube guides to find out how to get the hell's redeemer in mob, or how to upgrade all the staffs in origins.
Right there with you. Most of my friends didn't even bother buying it as a consequence back in the day. After tranzit and die rise, the prevailing thought was why invest $40+ when we're way more likely to go back and end up playing black ops 1 anyway? Mob, origins, and occasionally buried ended up becoming just occasional gimmicks for sleepovers at certain people's houses: nothing more.
There is beauty in simplicity but I think the more effort they put into the game the more fun and options there are for a better more fun experience definitely with friends yk
I actually love Die Rise's map design and transportation methods. To me, it forces to both improvise and think ahead in a way that is different from other maps, and it brings challenge. If you to think if you're going to go to the next area as you will then need to go around the entire map to get back, and it also makes it so that the players will need to stick together more so than in other maps, as if they go down in a previous area then there is no hope for them.
I loved Tranzit myself, I didn't mind the way the bus worked and how you had to set up the pack a punch. Yeah the fan getting destroyed and the room closer was annoying but me and my friends had so much fun on that map. Side note you forgot to add that if you don't put the roof rack on the bus you can put it in the diner to get on the roof and there are Galva Knuckles up there. Now that's a map that could do with a remaster and maybe change a few things to improve player satisfaction whilst they are doing it.
Origins still the best map of all time for me, it's the 1 map where you have to be at the top of your game mentally the entire time AND there's a payoff.... (the not taking the drone with you, payoff) & doing that successfully & getting good at it has been by far the best zombies experience i've ever had as a mainly solo player 😊
The fire staff is a actually infinite damage and can kill as many as the ice staff, but the reason its been disregarded is because after a certain round it crashes your game.
@@oisinkelly4604 upgraded fire staff is infinite on bo2 not bo3 but on round 40+ it would crash your game. On bo3 its not infinite damage and doesn’t crash the game just loses its effectiveness high round 50s, also it just still isnt as good as the other two staffs even if it was infinite damage its way of dealing it wouldn’t of been good enough
Alright, just finished! Amazing analysis, really surprised with your ranking but totally makes sense. BO2 is a game i constantly flip around on, as everything good about it also brings about so many many negatives at the same time. I will say, i think Buried has grown on me a severe amount, and i think id be confident saying its the best map here, purely as it has the most fun high rounds. Tranzit high rounds suck, survival map high rounds are impossible, die rise is pretty cool but can get a little boring, Mob is fun but sooo slow as youre relying solely on traps and redeemer, and origins has way too much that can go wrong, and relying on max ammos are a nightmare. The resonator strat in jug is one of my fave high round strats of all time, so it surpasses the rest on that alone, as early game only counts towards such a small portion of the time spent on the map for me. Anyway, adored the video, and so happy youve been diving into super long form analysis content
I just realised thad mid rounds don't really exist in buried, you can get completly setup in a round or 2 so you are already in "later rounds" at that point.
I agree on the perk variety on mob. It's strange they didn't throw in the rest of the staple perks, phd would've been great on this map since it's so close quarters. One thing I've wondered is what if they swapped tombstone on die rise with who's who on tranzit. I feel like this wouldn've worked much better since the needs of each perk doesn't work on their respective maps.
It absolutely would’ve worked much better. I wish I realized it early before uploading the video because this is something that’s definitely worth mentioning
BO2 was my favorite game. Me and many others are debating with ourselves to buy a ps3 just to play it. I really miss it I’m glad theres people who are like me and going back to cod bo2 like i am.
Best option is to either get a PC or an Xbox One or Xbox Series X to play it in a better way with backwards compatibility. PS3 would be the worst way to play it.
I remember playing with my brother as a kid, I miss him a lot recently as he’s in college. Those memories with him are memories I will forever hold dear to me.
You made me rethink about my hatred for die rise after all these years of not playing it basically since 2013. One day I’ll give it another try and get the boys to join in with me
I want an official Black Ops 2 remake/remaster so I have a reason to go back to this game. Those were the good old days. I played this game soooo much. And I loved it.
There's nothing stopping you from going back and playing bo2, you don't need to wait for a $70 version that'll not be as good as the original to have a reason to play it again
@JACKELincorporated This is partly true, but if I were to return, I'd want it to be a time where not only I, but many people, would return. If there was a remaster or remake, there would be lots of people playing, which is good for competition. New leaderboards, no molding controversies, new paint job (probably), maybe new content. Overall, just a lot more fun and exciting!
@@Dahniska1 thats fair, I didn't consider the whole fresh reset for everyone, I still think it would loose almost all the magic with modern sbmm being so strict but to each his own
My opinion on fixing Tranzit is that all the traps you build and pickup are in your inventory forever. Once they break they need time to recharge then u can place them again. Secondly I’d either label that door that u need to unlock pap at say that it unlocks pap or remove it all together. Third is that I’d make the jet gun like the paralyzer and that u can carry as many parts you want like in Mob of the dead.
I remember when Bo2 and played these maps for the first time and had alot of fun with some more than others personally but was excited with each other map to see what they add next weapons perks wonder weapons and more story etc i found out alot in this video after many years now thank you for breaking it all down and learning so much thank you man :) Black Ops 2 is one of my favorite games of all time and Gem even with some of its flaws.
Man, I came here because Zestymoon let me know that he had some reviews up on his channel when I was watching a John Rizzo Stream. I am thankful that he let me know because this is so well put together, and such a good video. Congrats to you man ❤
I didn’t expect to watch the whole vid in one sitting, great stuff👍🏼 I also found out recently after 10+ years that if you crouch 3-4 times in one of the broken bus seats on Tranzit the bus immediately moves. The map still sucks but it made it a little more fun with friends
I’m glad you sat through all of it and enjoyed it man. And as they say, pretty much anything is good with friends, even if it’s something as horrific as tranzit
This has to be one of the best COD Zombies video I've ever watched. Lots of insights for each map, listing the pros and cons and telling the story behind their development process as a whole. Keep it up, you deserve more subs!
You know, that would’ve been perfect. Who’s who on a map as massive as tranzit would make for useful. And tombstone on a map like die rise were reviving teammates can be very difficult due to its many flaws would work perfectly.
I was playing die rise while watching this. You have no idea how much i was smiling as i heard you say "the sliquifier is one of my favorite wonder weapons" whilst i was playing die rise round 47, got stuck in a corner, and saved myself by spamming a full mag of sliq shots and didn't even go red
Honestly. The more I play black ops 2 because I can’t play bo3 and bo4 zombies safely. The more I like transit. Especially with plutonium and the options on a bunch of servers to get rid of the fog? Transit is actually really fun.
Tranzit has the worst design for Pap. Mob of the dead, Shadows of evil I figured out on my own, but Tranzit?? You have to put a turbine on some random door and go all the way to town and the other vault door opens is crazy. I figured out the first vault easily. Also the fact it’s super tedious and dangerous to PaP is even more annoying
Another way you could fix the Jet Gun that I've always thought about: Don't make it break or drop, instead give it a cooldown period after overheating, and make it more visually clear that this is the case. Add a short animation of the weapon overheating (kinda like energy weapons in Halo do) and then you put it away automatically, making the icon transparent during cooldown. Attempting to take it back out during the cooldown period will give a short text prompt saying you must give it time to cool off. Optionally give a text prompt when picking up the weapon explaining how it works, say something even as simple as "Don't let this weapon overheat!" to still give players a chance to figure out how to manage that on their own. Simple, easy, effective at communicating the point that you've overheated the gun.
If I had to take a guess, the developers had a problem with Whos Who in a couple of different ways. - Going down cannot be a direct upgrade to not going down, or players will abuse it. -Ghost spawns with the default loadout. -Players must be able to find ways to save themselves without being unfairly punished more than going down already is. -Points spent are refunded on revive. In addition, more Wall Weapons have been added, in multiple locations so that most players are never far from some kind of weapon or equipment. -Alternative revive mechanics should still be accesible to all players. -Teammate revives, Ballistic Knife, Solo Quick Revive on Bleedout. I think the problem with Whos Whos spawning system is that the ghist spawn just used default player spawn logic. Which in most maps would be fine, but in Die Rise was not. A pretty notorious bug I remember with Whos Who was where the perk would occasionally use ZOMBIE spawn logic, spawning player ghosts falling out of ceiling holes if you were lucky, and behind zombie barricades if you were not.
ياخي ما شاء الله عليك ما عرفت انك عربي الا وانت تشرح موب لهجتك وقواعدك وصوتك كل شي صحيح ما شاء الله بالعادة افضل المحتوى الاجنبي عشان الافكار والشرح بس ابهرتني 👏
Hiya, just wanted to pop in and say thank you for making this analysis! I've seen a lot of commentary videos on zombies as a whole and I have to say this is my new favorite. Fantastic editing, full of useful information, and a great script to boot. I hope you consider analysing other cod titles, I'm sure a lot of people would love that. I know I would! ❤
Am i the only one that played town survival non stop when it came out. I loved running round after round running trains from the bar upstairs to the hotel across the lava pool where pack a punch was
I remember being stuck on the maze step in buried for three hours until the game crashed. The lever body search step also isn’t quite what i d call fun because it’s so random and doesnt really offer anything interesting gameplay wise
I wonder if Treyarch will ever revisit Mob of the Dead for a third time. You mentioned the map was originally supposed to be much larger, but now in 2024 we have Alcatraz/Rebirth Island in Warzone
The best fix for tranzit is already on the pc fixed/modded version (can be found on some plutonium servers). While power’s on, everything is powered on (so portable electric trap, portable turret, secret doors, pack-a-punch vault on top of everything else that’s already powered by the power switch such as perks and lamp posts) and the turbine is not a crutch item everyone needs anymore ! It’s so simple yet so effective a part of me thinks it was the intended way but 3arc either didn’t care or once again tried to "balance" a pve gamemode by removing all the fun…
There’s also another mod that makes is so that the map doesn’t have lava,fog, and denezins. While these do fix alot of tranzit’s issues, the map is beyond saving without an entire rework.
1:02:49 I don't know if it was done on purpose but when the loop starts again it does the first purchase animation of the weapons bad for the gameplay but a really thoughtful detail for the story.
First off, great work! (Commenting for that sweet algorithm) It was a great watch and I really enjoyed your placement of Die Rise. I love Die Rise, the visuals, the radio lore, a very underrated map. Mob is great co-op but so annoying solo that I just don't play it anymore. One point I would to add is grief which I don't think you covered, so I will! Grief was a fun 4 v 4 survival mode on edited versions of some maps or the exact same for the Tranzit survival maps. here is a quick ranking for a mode I loved and wish would comeback 4. Town. While a great four player map, it is overall pretty meh for Grief. 3. Farm. This map is better than town because it's so small and utter chaos the longer it goes on. Fun for quick hour games. 2. Cell Block. This map actually has phd when normal mob doesn't and no plane pack! Making it more fun and better paced. No jugg makes this map especially fun and tense because one wrong move is a down. 1. Borough. Buried but no witches? This is a condensed buried with an easier pack but no ripsaw (All the other fun traps though). This one can last a lot longer than the other maps because survival on buried is already easy, but it's still amazing. It's a shame Die Rise and Origins never got this mode or survival maps in general. I think survival maps were an amazing feature and it is a crying shame only this game and WW2 ever did them again. BO3 especially could have used simplified maps and pack. Maybe one day.....
I didn’t comment on turned or grief mainly because trying to get gameplay for them was impossible. I barely had anyone to play with, so getting 7 other pc players who own bo2 would’ve put me in a mental asylum. But other than that, I’m glad you enjoyed the video
@@blauwbeer556 both of these reasons were a factor. I want to make it its own video when I manage to accumulate enough people to play with. Now unfortunately that’s impossible.
For Tranzit, all you need is to just have control over the bus, and give some buffs to the Jet Gun. For the bus, there should be a button inside that can set it in either transport mode where its on its timer or deactivated where the bus shuts down until activated again, taking maybe 10-15 seconds to start back up before being ready to take off. Another way to make it better would be to allow it to have Bus Route B where it goes in a reverse order around the map but only stops at locations important to the Easter Egg; the log cabin, the corn maze (which shouldn't have any fog to begin with), the subway tunnel, and wherever the box is currently located (also adding a box location to the corn maze and subway tunnel, just nearby where the bus stops). Another way to keep it more consistent is that if any of the players do not leave the bus for about 15-20 seconds after it stops, it will start up again and move on. The bus should always move at a consistently fast speed (around the same speed it has as it makes its way from the farm to the power station) The Jet gun does not need as complicated of a change. You should move at a normal pace when the weapon is out, the movement penalty only starting when the weapon is firing. It will take 2 seconds to reach and surpass an rpm of 30 and should be given 20 seconds of total use before entering a 40 second cooldown (if it is fully overheated). The movement speed penalty should actually not exist when moving forward, actually allowing the player to traverse quickly with the weapon and be able to use it as a tool to move at a consistently fast speed (I know this was not possible originally because of hardware limitations but nowadays it would be very easy to implement). The final drawback that would make sense is for the Jet Gun to be overloaded and disabled if the player is shocked by Avogodro while they have the weapon out with the same cooldown as if it was fully overheated. Please let me know if anyone else agrees or has suggestions
Rewatching this in prep for the BO1 video being released today and realized I never commented on it. Fantastic video! While I love Mob of the Dead to death, the fact you have to gather all of the fuel every time you wanna pack a punch is very annoying. Also I get Treyarch like to be little trolls from time to time but it's kinda annoying Mule Kick is teased outside of the map by the docks. I don't normally get Mule Kick ever but like you said, it'd add variety to the map's perks. Plus with the amount of map unique weapons on the map it'd be cool to be able to use as many of them as possible in one go. Anyways great video as always!
I love how you say that you’re preparing for the bo1 video like it’s a long awaited movie lmao. It genuinely feels awesome that some people view my channel in this way
Hot Take: Black Ops II Zombies only started getting good around Mob of the Dead. You can't have 2 out of the 6 maps be great, with the rest being complete garbage for the most part. Just like MW'19 has the most overrated MP experience, Black Ops II has the most overrated Zombies experience
@@zestymoonBlundell was consistently bland and pretentious. It was all style, production value and self-aggrandizement… very little substance or spirit
I’m a big fan of zesty moons, Content I like how he always talks about the zombies in a very casual way while still being very insightful and funny as well. I’m still laughing at the rainbow water joke from the b03 retrospective.
Most people say Black Ops II had the worst Zombies but I believe it had the best, as really, only TranZit and Die Rise sucked, everything else was good, and the Victis Maps showed a more horror atmosphere, where you’re in a broken Earth that has become an apocalypse, and then the second half of maps are more of Mythology, with Origins being the craziest finisher to the mode, and I love it
Time bomb in Burried can also be used to double current points. You can fill your bank easily with that method, points can also be shared with other players
I think using the sniper perma perk is as affective as doing something like this. But it’s definitely a ridiculous way to double your points in the bank by essentially doing nothing
58:26 , I've hear about this story, there have been rumors as to what happened to the escapees. It's been speculated that those people never made it since a cargo ship spotted a floating body on the ocean that appeared to be dead, they couldn't stop, for reasons I don't remember, to check the body. But another rumor states that there have been sitings of them and they appeared to a relative's funeral dressed up as woman. random fact but I thought it was interesting
Oh man I absolutely love Nuketown. The randomized perk system creates such a great challenge. It is limiting but it adds so much variability and replayability.
@@g-manfreezer1998trash fucking map how hard are y’all coping y’all like getting fu led in the ass. who with any brain cells at all says nuke town is underrated bro what
The thing with Tombstone and Who's who is that they're made for the wrong maps. Tombstone is perfect for a map that insta death is really possible and slight mistakes could cost you your set up. While Who's who is perfect for a map that's really open and is possible and most likely to be split from your teammates for whatever reason. So a slight change between Tranzit and Die Rise perks would work wonders for them.
Jet gun pieces 2 of them not reset when you break on open area however it is a small area and breaks instead of being next to wall It goes inside to wall and reset. Also Turret friendly fire on and 1 shots you and your teammates so you can troll people with it for some reason I learn it by hard way.
@@zestymoon I also wish you talked about grief mode maps and how much potential there is for really good survival maps. Mob of the Dead grief mode has mule kick and phd (all perks on mob) other than electric cherry and no jug. When you give a dog zombie instead of a tomahawk, the dog gives you a random drop and comes back every round. Box has a blundergat but no acid gat set, so you can use the weapon more strategically. Sad because the layout of the map is so much fun and accessible. The only problem is the grief mode only map. Same with the buried grief mode only map. Grief mode was active for 2 years and died because you needed at least 8 players in the lobby. And a 2 player game is so short because when one person goes down, the game ends.
I always thought the replay value of mob was significantly less then that of origins. The repetition in mob lead me to feel like its so damn boring. Its neat when its novel, after you play it so much it because dreadful, and it begins to feel like a legitimate purgatory.
Mob of the dead will always to me have good memories it was my first easter egg I did with my cousin and got me into zombies but u can do the easter egg with only 2 players which is better then all 4 as long as one is the weasel.
I always hated the power station on tranzit. By the time i got into the second room, the bus was beginning to leave and i had to rush back to it, or risk going through the fog.
Honestly I find BO2 zombies more fun to play than BO3 sometimes, for pretty much all the reasons listed in this video. Although, my opinion could be heavily influenced by nostalgia since BO2 was the first and only zombies game I ever played until I bought BO3 this year. Also I have basically zero experience on MOTD or Origins so as for my thoughts on the other four: - TranZit is fun with a full lobby of players, but boring, lonely and tedious on solo - Die Rise is frustrating sometimes but under-appreciated - Buried is, like you said, basically a sandbox - Nuketown is pretty cool I guess lol (fun to play on Plutonium servers with a lobby of 8 people!) Very cool video by the way, always love seeing small RUclipsrs make masterpieces
Now that I think about it, why didn't Treyarch patch Tranzit, Die Rise, and Buried so the parts system works like Mob and Origins. Would've made Tranzit much less tedious.
I honestly wished I liked black ops 2 more than waw bo1 and 3. I don’t know how to play any of the maps Easter egg wise except for the main maps minus transit
You can extend afterlife mode too 1 player sits behind whoever is in afterlife and keeps reviving bar upto 75 - 90 % this extends afterlife as it freezes bar or slows it down if done this way. Electric cherry was the bigger the reload the bigger the shock full mag reloads saved your ass lol. Sheild, golden spork + hells retreiver/redeemer is a must have on mod if going for high rounds or easter egg
Black ops 1 and 2 will forever be some of the greatest gaming I did in my lifetime. I think adding a 5th possibly a 6th player into tranzit could be good, more wall guns and make papped wall ammo 500pt cheaper, when the bus is traveling alone it shouldn't take so long to get back to the players unless players are split up around the map, the pack a punch is hard enough so you shouldn't have to build it, I think the door closing adds a great chaotic level of team work to keep open, maybe just me but the teleporters always leave me in the fog so I'd lower the likelihood of that happening and lastly fix the jet gun somehow.
i really like die rise and tranzit,and i dont understand the criticisms whatsoever, most of them are just 'map ugly, map fog, no vibrant color palettes in the midst of a world ending nuclear and zombie apocalypse' instead of actual valid criticisms of the gameplay
What about my criticisms of tranzit? I’d say having two terrible methods of transport and a nearly unusable wonder weapon are pretty valid criticisms no?
I didn't see the obligatory "did you know that the origins EE step names were a reference to Reznov's escape plan from the vorkuta mission in bo1?" comment anywhere so i thought id go ahead and slide that in. Great video by the way, took me back in a bittersweet way, feels like since black ops 4, zombies has been on a downward trend, but in theyre defense im not sure how they could re-release the magic that was classic zombies without directly copying it, bo4 zombies wasnt inherently bad, just not what i hoped for, and every subsequent game felt the same if not more dissapointing, but man experiencing waw-bo3 zombies for the first time was really something special to me and my friends back then.
Biggest memory from BO2 is the day Origins came out I was in school and I had genuinely felt sick so I went home but my brothers were convinced I was faking it just to go home and play but I swear to god I wasn’t 😂
Honestly Blundell's takeover was unjustified. I hated Tranzit and the Victus crew as much as anyone, but the original story was way better than anything post-Origins imo.
They never let them finish: Zelinski, Blundell (and maybe even Huston) all tried to write their stories but never got the chance to finish them. I honestly believe that this is the most forgotten problem of the entire cod zombies franchise.
For the people commenting about how black ops 3 is more deserving of this title, other games are also worth appreciation even if they aren’t the bestest zombies game ever. So I ask of you to kindly save your comment about how much you think bo3 is good, or how it changed zombies, or how it ended world hunger. Thank you.
I have
What's wrong with people commenting that BO3 is a better game for zombies? Why should they hold their comments about it?
You can't make the massive generalization that no other cod game's zombies will ever be like black ops 2 zombies, then back track in the comments and say you shouldn't compare black ops 2 zombies to black ops 3 zombies because it is as equally worth appreciation as any other game. Black ops 3 zombies is EVERY zombies game if you account for the very much alive and thriving modding scene. If we're talking without mods, it is still on an equal level of quality at LEAST. If you meant overall difference from other games with the title, the point still stands. Hence why people keep bringing up bo3, cause it can literally be everything bo2 is through mods. Your video makes a lot of good points about black ops 2 zombies and its quality. I can't disagree with many of the points you make, but you just listed why bo3 zombies is good and thats it. Nothing about how no other game will be like bo2.
Edit: Jumped the gun there earlier due to youtube auto-deleting my comment for using what it deems as a naughty word... my point still stands though.
@@brolaire8851 in my intro, I clarified why the video was titled this way, which was the unique approach this game took and how the devs dealt with it's initial criticism at release. The title had nothing to do with the quality of the game. I even say that the game isn't my favorite in the series, so I still stand by the decision to title this way. I made the comment to stop any comments related to black ops 3's greatness how it's the best thing to grace human civilization, as I never claimed in the video that bo2 was the best game in terms of zombies. what was my terrible mistake is that in this pinned comment, I was implying that it was about the game's greatness. that was because I made the comment haphazardly without giving it any thought. I'll still leave the comment to remind myself to actually think about what I'm saying first.
@@current3109 you may have accidentally switched cold war and vanguard.
I really wish they made more maps in the style of the victis maps/nuketown. Cracked tectonic plates, all the debris shit in the atmosphere blocking the sun, destroyed cityscapes, prior signs of battles against the undead, it’s truly an amazing setting and style for a zombies map.
I would love more maps that are designed this way. There’s something so awesome about going on a rooftop in dierise, and seeing the absolute destruction around you.
@@zestymoon one of the best examples is the starting room on buried where your standing on the edge of the chasm. Just a giant hole in the earth in front of you full of lava and cracked plates sticking up in all directions with destroyed cities on top of them. Wish we got to see that cut flooded city map based on fallen angel too. Pretty sure die rise was intended to have a ground level survival map as well, custom map modders wya
The lore writers screwed over victis big time, it is indeed a shame we didn't see more maps with them involved.
@@Ingaldretbf a LOT of us were hating on them when this game was out every dlc it was "OH DO WE GET THE OGS. oh, no? Well. Would've been cooler w them, 5/10."
@@dairyking6514 that's true, but i still think they deserved better in the lore (most of which occurred off-screen)
Did you know early on in Tranzit's development, the bus tires could go flat and you'd have to repair them, there was a departure timer, gas, potential for ambushes in every other location, in addition to 3 extra survival locations in cornfield, power, and tunnel.
I heard about alot of this cut content. It’s really interesting the vision they planned for tranzit. It’s a shame they got the development time or the console power they needed
Power Station would be Power Factory (that means it would be A LOT bigger than Power Station) and the only other cut location I know of is Motel. I'm not sure what the third location would be.
@@RobotBondageWell I do know there was supposed to be a second bus route for Tranzit, bus route B.
My guy missed the most important thing the diner offers.. Galvanized knuckles. That’s where the hatch should go, not on the bus.
But why the fuck did they have to be a thing. Why couldn’t it just be oh, buy another door or something nah dude, let the randoms screw like 6 games out of 7 for like taking the jetgun parts and dying in the pit at power or turning the power on and off again and again
The map aged surprisingly well, I like it in solo but they clearly never understood the public match formula.
*also taking the parts and dying on the bus
Lex is right, with the lack of zombies new official content since vanguard, the amount of new retrospectives, challenges and new videos on zombies by "new" and small chanels is amazing, and I'm enjoying every second of it!
I’m glad to be a part of these prestigious channels. Hopefully though our time isn’t short lived by cod 2024.
Crapguard
@@Emesisblue_medic_rellzombies is just dead till 2024 outbreak ain’t it personally
Since Bo4, Call of Duty zombies has been getting progressively worse…
@@current3109because they keep trying to fix something that ain’t broke
Tranzit’s biggest flaw is that it was too ambitious for its time, even if it was fundamental for building what would become. Tranzit’s the kind of map that would benefit from a Remaster the most, because it could be redesigned with more advanced design philosophies in mind. If the lessons have been learned, why not apply them where they weren’t before?
it also got a ton of cut content
I always loved tranzit. I wish people didn't shit on it so much. It was so much fun
@@Bob-ik8nt same, tranzit is one of if not my favorite map
@@Bob-ik8ntI despise those clawing alien babies that always hop on your face.
no it was too big and pussies who got down left the game cause they couldnt survive without jug
I have been watching a silly amount of zombies content recently and I’m glad someone finally addressed even in passing how fucking weird it is that “Leroy” is a character. Being disabled is so fun
Treyarch needs to remake Tranzit with it’s original vision.
They wouldn't be able to do it without the original creator is the issue
@Freelancer837 they can and probably will at some point
Tranzit gave me the best zombies experience ive ever had and i cherish it.
I’m happy that you enjoy it man. Why do you like it so much I’m interested?
@zestymoon i hated it at first but overtime it grew on me.
@@zestymoon think its just purely nostalgia. i love it bc i have good memories and it was my first zombies, but i think id hate it if it was released now
The bus is a genuine death trap, and we rarely, if ever, used it.
Tranzit was great once you knew what you were it was the beat map in the game
Wanted to commend you for the hours you poured into creating this behemoth of a retrospective. I felt your critiques were fair and well articulated. I will say that your Die Rise over Mob of the Dead take was scorching hot, not one I’m on board with. Overall, excellent work man 💯
Thanks man. It feels nice that many people appreciate the work i put into this and it truly means so much.
Gonna be missing my son's funeral so I can watch this instead
I'm proud that you have your priorities straight.
this is your duty
The honorable thing to do.
@Wafflesfordiner your CALL OF DUTY
Valid.
BO2 had that atmosphere that is unmatched, the settings of zombies has that "conspiracy" coming to life. BO1 had a lot of cold war conspiracies coming to life in zombies, and BO2 kept a good amount of that in Tranzit (a seemingly normal town that holds a Top Secret Government Project), Die Rise (Sky rises that has evidence of elemental manipulation in the aether to control the zombies [Spheres]) MOTD (cmon, it's alcatraz and zombies), and Buried (Western town buried deep within). ORIGINS stands out to be the one that changes everything story wise due to the alternative universe shenanigans.
Only one I disagree with it Mob despite it still being fun. Mob is basically its own separate thing from all the rest. But it makes sense that Mob and Origins don't follow this pattern since they had different a creator than all the previous maps in the series by that point
Black Ops II zombies felt like Treyarch was giving me the middle finger for being a casual player. Black Ops had it's fair share of tedium, but this game's maps were just downright bewildering unless you invested time into watching guides on how to figure out the gimmick of the day and where the dozens of items were. Mob of the Dead and Origins were the only maps I really bothered spending any amount of time on, but even then I'd go back to WaW or Black Ops since most of the content on those maps doesn't require doing ten steps of a ritual, then sacrificing your firstborn child to Moloch just to access.
This is a very understandable perspective. The game outright requires looking up guides to access some of the main map’s content, which can be a major turnoff due to it coming off as gatekeeping.
I think only investing time in mob and origins might have affected your thoughts here, because when I think of a game like you describe, I think of everything BO3 and beyond. I agree that mob and origins are pretty tedious sometimes and require a guide, but you don't really have to do anything *too* complicated in Tranzit, Die Rise, or Buried to turn on power or get pack imo. Its generally just opening a few doors. It can get *weird*, sure, like having Leroy charge at doors with booze, waiting for elevators, or leaving a turbine in the power room to open the pack a punch room (yeah this one is kinda dumb), but those were simple enough that my friends and I found them all out by ourselves in 2012/2013.
Meanwhile, we still need to dual wield youtube guides to find out how to get the hell's redeemer in mob, or how to upgrade all the staffs in origins.
Right there with you. Most of my friends didn't even bother buying it as a consequence back in the day. After tranzit and die rise, the prevailing thought was why invest $40+ when we're way more likely to go back and end up playing black ops 1 anyway? Mob, origins, and occasionally buried ended up becoming just occasional gimmicks for sleepovers at certain people's houses: nothing more.
Town is one of my all time favorite casual maps
There is beauty in simplicity but I think the more effort they put into the game the more fun and options there are for a better more fun experience definitely with friends yk
I actually love Die Rise's map design and transportation methods. To me, it forces to both improvise and think ahead in a way that is different from other maps, and it brings challenge. If you to think if you're going to go to the next area as you will then need to go around the entire map to get back, and it also makes it so that the players will need to stick together more so than in other maps, as if they go down in a previous area then there is no hope for them.
Die Rise is so underrated, it’s really fun once you start learning
I loved Tranzit myself, I didn't mind the way the bus worked and how you had to set up the pack a punch. Yeah the fan getting destroyed and the room closer was annoying but me and my friends had so much fun on that map. Side note you forgot to add that if you don't put the roof rack on the bus you can put it in the diner to get on the roof and there are Galva Knuckles up there. Now that's a map that could do with a remaster and maybe change a few things to improve player satisfaction whilst they are doing it.
I used the play BO2 with my dad when I was little. All these things we have missed just makes me want to play again! Great video! :)
Thank you man. Glad you enjoyed it
This is easily one of the best retrospectives for this game i've seen. Well said man
Thanks man that means alot
one thing about the tranzit bus, when you crouch spam on the mattresses in the back, the bus starts up faster no matter what stop you're at
Origins still the best map of all time for me, it's the 1 map where you have to be at the top of your game mentally the entire time AND there's a payoff.... (the not taking the drone with you, payoff) & doing that successfully & getting good at it has been by far the best zombies experience i've ever had as a mainly solo player 😊
The fire staff is a actually infinite damage and can kill as many as the ice staff, but the reason its been disregarded is because after a certain round it crashes your game.
The fire staff is not infinite damage
@@oisinkelly4604 upgraded fire staff is infinite on bo2 not bo3 but on round 40+ it would crash your game. On bo3 its not infinite damage and doesn’t crash the game just loses its effectiveness high round 50s, also it just still isnt as good as the other two staffs even if it was infinite damage its way of dealing it wouldn’t of been good enough
@@cosmicmw3378 it isn’t infinite
The fire staff, even upgraded is not infinite damage in BO2
For the bus, have each area have a token that you can collect. Using that token will let you make the bus go there and skip other locations
Black Ops II zombies was so bad, yet so good. Until Mob of the Dead, Buried, and Origins I basically stuck with BO1 for a while.
Die rise will always be my favorite map because that was the 1st dlc we got the victis crew. My favorite zombies team of all time.
Alright, just finished! Amazing analysis, really surprised with your ranking but totally makes sense. BO2 is a game i constantly flip around on, as everything good about it also brings about so many many negatives at the same time. I will say, i think Buried has grown on me a severe amount, and i think id be confident saying its the best map here, purely as it has the most fun high rounds. Tranzit high rounds suck, survival map high rounds are impossible, die rise is pretty cool but can get a little boring, Mob is fun but sooo slow as youre relying solely on traps and redeemer, and origins has way too much that can go wrong, and relying on max ammos are a nightmare. The resonator strat in jug is one of my fave high round strats of all time, so it surpasses the rest on that alone, as early game only counts towards such a small portion of the time spent on the map for me. Anyway, adored the video, and so happy youve been diving into super long form analysis content
I’m glad you enjoyed it man
I just realised thad mid rounds don't really exist in buried, you can get completly setup in a round or 2 so you are already in "later rounds" at that point.
I agree on the perk variety on mob. It's strange they didn't throw in the rest of the staple perks, phd would've been great on this map since it's so close quarters.
One thing I've wondered is what if they swapped tombstone on die rise with who's who on tranzit. I feel like this wouldn've worked much better since the needs of each perk doesn't work on their respective maps.
It absolutely would’ve worked much better. I wish I realized it early before uploading the video because this is something that’s definitely worth mentioning
I.. what? How the fuck would who's who work on tranzit? You gonna run through the fog trying to find your body? Who's who works great on die rise
@@thechugg4372nobody uses who’s who in the first place
PhD was deemed to op and was cast into the pits of hell for it. Except on buried, kinda.
BO2 was my favorite game. Me and many others are debating with ourselves to buy a ps3 just to play it. I really miss it I’m glad theres people who are like me and going back to cod bo2 like i am.
Bo2 was one of a kind
I'd probably go the pc way in order to get access to all the qol mods
Best option is to either get a PC or an Xbox One or Xbox Series X to play it in a better way with backwards compatibility. PS3 would be the worst way to play it.
Get an Xbox one, the ps3 sucks anyways, and the Xbox one lets you play the 360 games like BO2 + modern games. PS3 would be a waste of money.
I remember playing with my brother as a kid, I miss him a lot recently as he’s in college. Those memories with him are memories I will forever hold dear to me.
You made me rethink about my hatred for die rise after all these years of not playing it basically since 2013. One day I’ll give it another try and get the boys to join in with me
Amazing retrospective- shortest two hours of my life easily. Thanks for tickling my nostalgia! You have earned a new subscriber
Welcome lad. I’m glad you enjoyed the video
I want an official Black Ops 2 remake/remaster so I have a reason to go back to this game. Those were the good old days. I played this game soooo much. And I loved it.
It's already been confirmed that Bo2 remastered will be released in 2025
@@RobotBondage that would be the year to do it if they're gonna
There's nothing stopping you from going back and playing bo2, you don't need to wait for a $70 version that'll not be as good as the original to have a reason to play it again
@JACKELincorporated This is partly true, but if I were to return, I'd want it to be a time where not only I, but many people, would return. If there was a remaster or remake, there would be lots of people playing, which is good for competition. New leaderboards, no molding controversies, new paint job (probably), maybe new content. Overall, just a lot more fun and exciting!
@@Dahniska1 thats fair, I didn't consider the whole fresh reset for everyone, I still think it would loose almost all the magic with modern sbmm being so strict but to each his own
My opinion on fixing Tranzit is that all the traps you build and pickup are in your inventory forever. Once they break they need time to recharge then u can place them again.
Secondly I’d either label that door that u need to unlock pap at say that it unlocks pap or remove it all together.
Third is that I’d make the jet gun like the paralyzer and that u can carry as many parts you want like in Mob of the dead.
And honestly I’m fine with the bus being randomly started, but I’d maybe make it so you’d pay to use the bus like in shadows of evil.
I remember when Bo2 and played these maps for the first time and had alot of fun with some more than others personally but was excited with each other map to see what they add next weapons perks wonder weapons and more story etc i found out alot in this video after many years now thank you for breaking it all down and learning so much thank you man :) Black Ops 2 is one of my favorite games of all time and Gem even with some of its flaws.
I love the new niche of youtube where a channel I’ve never heard of drops the most soulful video essay on earth. keep it up man :)
Thank you lad. Glad you’re enjoying the this
Tranzit feels like an prototype for Outbreak in some ways, but it is very nostalgic for me! Since Tranzit was my first real experience with zombies!
Man, I came here because Zestymoon let me know that he had some reviews up on his channel when I was watching a John Rizzo Stream. I am thankful that he let me know because this is so well put together, and such a good video. Congrats to you man ❤
I'm glad you enjoy the videos lad. I'll hopefully have more reviews in the future, so it'd be cool if you stuck around
@@zestymoon you’ve got me hooked on your content man I can’t wait for future vids!
i want tranzit remaster with all the stuff they wanted to put in the map cuz the tech limitations shouldnt be as much of an issue if at all
I didn’t expect to watch the whole vid in one sitting, great stuff👍🏼
I also found out recently after 10+ years that if you crouch 3-4 times in one of the broken bus seats on Tranzit the bus immediately moves. The map still sucks but it made it a little more fun with friends
I’m glad you sat through all of it and enjoyed it man. And as they say, pretty much anything is good with friends, even if it’s something as horrific as tranzit
This has to be one of the best COD Zombies video I've ever watched. Lots of insights for each map, listing the pros and cons and telling the story behind their development process as a whole. Keep it up, you deserve more subs!
I’m glad you enjoyed my work man
np keep it up fam@@zestymoon
Tombstone and Who's Who should have switched maps. Tombstone makes more sense on Die Rise, and Who's Who would be decent on Tranzit
You know, that would’ve been perfect. Who’s who on a map as massive as tranzit would make for useful. And tombstone on a map like die rise were reviving teammates can be very difficult due to its many flaws would work perfectly.
I was playing die rise while watching this. You have no idea how much i was smiling as i heard you say "the sliquifier is one of my favorite wonder weapons" whilst i was playing die rise round 47, got stuck in a corner, and saved myself by spamming a full mag of sliq shots and didn't even go red
Honestly. The more I play black ops 2 because I can’t play bo3 and bo4 zombies safely. The more I like transit. Especially with plutonium and the options on a bunch of servers to get rid of the fog? Transit is actually really fun.
Tranzit has the worst design for Pap. Mob of the dead, Shadows of evil I figured out on my own, but Tranzit?? You have to put a turbine on some random door and go all the way to town and the other vault door opens is crazy. I figured out the first vault easily.
Also the fact it’s super tedious and dangerous to PaP is even more annoying
Another way you could fix the Jet Gun that I've always thought about: Don't make it break or drop, instead give it a cooldown period after overheating, and make it more visually clear that this is the case. Add a short animation of the weapon overheating (kinda like energy weapons in Halo do) and then you put it away automatically, making the icon transparent during cooldown. Attempting to take it back out during the cooldown period will give a short text prompt saying you must give it time to cool off. Optionally give a text prompt when picking up the weapon explaining how it works, say something even as simple as "Don't let this weapon overheat!" to still give players a chance to figure out how to manage that on their own. Simple, easy, effective at communicating the point that you've overheated the gun.
Black ops 2 love is based. Great to see it!
If I had to take a guess, the developers had a problem with Whos Who in a couple of different ways.
- Going down cannot be a direct upgrade to not going down, or players will abuse it. -Ghost spawns with the default loadout.
-Players must be able to find ways to save themselves without being unfairly punished more than going down already is. -Points spent are refunded on revive. In addition, more Wall Weapons have been added, in multiple locations so that most players are never far from some kind of weapon or equipment.
-Alternative revive mechanics should still be accesible to all players. -Teammate revives, Ballistic Knife, Solo Quick Revive on Bleedout.
I think the problem with Whos Whos spawning system is that the ghist spawn just used default player spawn logic. Which in most maps would be fine, but in Die Rise was not. A pretty notorious bug I remember with Whos Who was where the perk would occasionally use ZOMBIE spawn logic, spawning player ghosts falling out of ceiling holes if you were lucky, and behind zombie barricades if you were not.
ياخي ما شاء الله عليك ما عرفت انك عربي الا وانت تشرح موب لهجتك وقواعدك وصوتك كل شي صحيح ما شاء الله بالعادة افضل المحتوى الاجنبي عشان الافكار والشرح بس ابهرتني 👏
Massive props to you man, this video is very well made.
Thanks man. Really appreciate it
Hiya, just wanted to pop in and say thank you for making this analysis! I've seen a lot of commentary videos on zombies as a whole and I have to say this is my new favorite. Fantastic editing, full of useful information, and a great script to boot.
I hope you consider analysing other cod titles, I'm sure a lot of people would love that. I know I would! ❤
I’m glad you enjoyed it. I’m definitely planning more cod and other games in the future, and I’ll be happy with you joining the journey
Am i the only one that played town survival non stop when it came out. I loved running round after round running trains from the bar upstairs to the hotel across the lava pool where pack a punch was
I remember being stuck on the maze step in buried for three hours until the game crashed. The lever body search step also isn’t quite what i d call fun because it’s so random and doesnt really offer anything interesting gameplay wise
The cool thing about the body search for me is that you travel to the future. It’s a really interesting mechanic for me because of this
I prefer Black Ops 1 and 3 Zombies over Black Op 2. I remember not liking the fire and being stuck in one place to another.
I wonder if Treyarch will ever revisit Mob of the Dead for a third time. You mentioned the map was originally supposed to be much larger, but now in 2024 we have Alcatraz/Rebirth Island in Warzone
5:22 also the bus/diner had buildibles lol
The best fix for tranzit is already on the pc fixed/modded version (can be found on some plutonium servers). While power’s on, everything is powered on (so portable electric trap, portable turret, secret doors, pack-a-punch vault on top of everything else that’s already powered by the power switch such as perks and lamp posts) and the turbine is not a crutch item everyone needs anymore ! It’s so simple yet so effective a part of me thinks it was the intended way but 3arc either didn’t care or once again tried to "balance" a pve gamemode by removing all the fun…
There’s also another mod that makes is so that the map doesn’t have lava,fog, and denezins. While these do fix alot of tranzit’s issues, the map is beyond saving without an entire rework.
1:02:49 I don't know if it was done on purpose but when the loop starts again it does the first purchase animation of the weapons bad for the gameplay but a really thoughtful detail for the story.
I think that’s just a thing with after life. It happens alot whenever I use after life were switching to the second weapon resets the animation
I subbed as soon as I heard you make the Denizen sound
Welcome to the lads
First off, great work! (Commenting for that sweet algorithm) It was a great watch and I really enjoyed your placement of Die Rise. I love Die Rise, the visuals, the radio lore, a very underrated map. Mob is great co-op but so annoying solo that I just don't play it anymore. One point I would to add is grief which I don't think you covered, so I will! Grief was a fun 4 v 4 survival mode on edited versions of some maps or the exact same for the Tranzit survival maps.
here is a quick ranking for a mode I loved and wish would comeback
4. Town. While a great four player map, it is overall pretty meh for Grief.
3. Farm. This map is better than town because it's so small and utter chaos the longer it goes on. Fun for quick hour games.
2. Cell Block. This map actually has phd when normal mob doesn't and no plane pack! Making it more fun and better paced. No jugg makes this map especially fun and tense because one wrong move is a down.
1. Borough. Buried but no witches? This is a condensed buried with an easier pack but no ripsaw (All the other fun traps though). This one can last a lot longer than the other maps because survival on buried is already easy, but it's still amazing.
It's a shame Die Rise and Origins never got this mode or survival maps in general. I think survival maps were an amazing feature and it is a crying shame only this game and WW2 ever did them again. BO3 especially could have used simplified maps and pack. Maybe one day.....
I didn’t comment on turned or grief mainly because trying to get gameplay for them was impossible. I barely had anyone to play with, so getting 7 other pc players who own bo2 would’ve put me in a mental asylum. But other than that, I’m glad you enjoyed the video
@@zestymoon Yeah it's a shame the grief community died. My experience back in the day was amazing. Truly a mode I guess you had to be there for.
@@zestymoon wait is that the reason? I thought you wanted to make its own video about it.
@@blauwbeer556 both of these reasons were a factor. I want to make it its own video when I manage to accumulate enough people to play with. Now unfortunately that’s impossible.
i like how he doesnt even try to talk about tombstone unlike every other perk and even the wunderfizz
I completely forgot to record it
For Tranzit, all you need is to just have control over the bus, and give some buffs to the Jet Gun.
For the bus, there should be a button inside that can set it in either transport mode where its on its timer or deactivated where the bus shuts down until activated again, taking maybe 10-15 seconds to start back up before being ready to take off. Another way to make it better would be to allow it to have Bus Route B where it goes in a reverse order around the map but only stops at locations important to the Easter Egg; the log cabin, the corn maze (which shouldn't have any fog to begin with), the subway tunnel, and wherever the box is currently located (also adding a box location to the corn maze and subway tunnel, just nearby where the bus stops). Another way to keep it more consistent is that if any of the players do not leave the bus for about 15-20 seconds after it stops, it will start up again and move on. The bus should always move at a consistently fast speed (around the same speed it has as it makes its way from the farm to the power station)
The Jet gun does not need as complicated of a change. You should move at a normal pace when the weapon is out, the movement penalty only starting when the weapon is firing. It will take 2 seconds to reach and surpass an rpm of 30 and should be given 20 seconds of total use before entering a 40 second cooldown (if it is fully overheated). The movement speed penalty should actually not exist when moving forward, actually allowing the player to traverse quickly with the weapon and be able to use it as a tool to move at a consistently fast speed (I know this was not possible originally because of hardware limitations but nowadays it would be very easy to implement). The final drawback that would make sense is for the Jet Gun to be overloaded and disabled if the player is shocked by Avogodro while they have the weapon out with the same cooldown as if it was fully overheated.
Please let me know if anyone else agrees or has suggestions
Rewatching this in prep for the BO1 video being released today and realized I never commented on it. Fantastic video! While I love Mob of the Dead to death, the fact you have to gather all of the fuel every time you wanna pack a punch is very annoying. Also I get Treyarch like to be little trolls from time to time but it's kinda annoying Mule Kick is teased outside of the map by the docks. I don't normally get Mule Kick ever but like you said, it'd add variety to the map's perks. Plus with the amount of map unique weapons on the map it'd be cool to be able to use as many of them as possible in one go. Anyways great video as always!
I love how you say that you’re preparing for the bo1 video like it’s a long awaited movie lmao. It genuinely feels awesome that some people view my channel in this way
Hot Take: Black Ops II Zombies only started getting good around Mob of the Dead. You can't have 2 out of the 6 maps be great, with the rest being complete garbage for the most part. Just like MW'19 has the most overrated MP experience, Black Ops II has the most overrated Zombies experience
Oh yeah your take is hot...hot as siberia
This is not a hot take it's a facts
@@thearmoredman8319 you shouldn't spam
@@blauwbeer556 my internet is bad that why it sent twice
After bo2, zombies went downhill. I still miss Jesse Snyder and Jimmy Zielinski as zombie’s main leads
Blundell may have been more consistent, but zielinski had that unforgettable zombies charm in his maps that I think will never be replicated
@@zestymoonBlundell was consistently bland and pretentious. It was all style, production value and self-aggrandizement… very little substance or spirit
I’m a big fan of zesty moons, Content I like how he always talks about the zombies in a very casual way while still being very insightful and funny as well. I’m still laughing at the rainbow water joke from the b03 retrospective.
I’m proud to have a fan like yourself mason. A badge of honor indeed
@@zestymoonkeep up the awesome work man respect 🤝
Most people say Black Ops II had the worst Zombies but I believe it had the best, as really, only TranZit and Die Rise sucked, everything else was good, and the Victis Maps showed a more horror atmosphere, where you’re in a broken Earth that has become an apocalypse, and then the second half of maps are more of Mythology, with Origins being the craziest finisher to the mode, and I love it
Wonderful video essay, bo2 will always be my favorite due to the map variety.
Time bomb in Burried can also be used to double current points. You can fill your bank easily with that method, points can also be shared with other players
I think using the sniper perma perk is as affective as doing something like this. But it’s definitely a ridiculous way to double your points in the bank by essentially doing nothing
@@zestymoonIt can be usefull to set up 4 players before doing an easter egg
I absolutely loved this video dawg thanks
58:26 , I've hear about this story, there have been rumors as to what happened to the escapees. It's been speculated that those people never made it since a cargo ship spotted a floating body on the ocean that appeared to be dead, they couldn't stop, for reasons I don't remember, to check the body. But another rumor states that there have been sitings of them and they appeared to a relative's funeral dressed up as woman. random fact but I thought it was interesting
They also apparently were seen in brazil, dressed up as farmers or something like that
Oh man I absolutely love Nuketown. The randomized perk system creates such a great challenge. It is limiting but it adds so much variability and replayability.
A man of great taste I see
Such an underrated/overhated map tbh
@@g-manfreezer1998trash fucking map how hard are y’all coping y’all like getting fu led in the ass. who with any brain cells at all says nuke town is underrated bro what
The thing with Tombstone and Who's who is that they're made for the wrong maps.
Tombstone is perfect for a map that insta death is really possible and slight mistakes could cost you your set up.
While Who's who is perfect for a map that's really open and is possible and most likely to be split from your teammates for whatever reason.
So a slight change between Tranzit and Die Rise perks would work wonders for them.
a video even better than the alpha omega special
Jet gun pieces 2 of them not reset when you break on open area however it is a small area and breaks instead of being next to wall It goes inside to wall and reset.
Also Turret friendly fire on and 1 shots you and your teammates so you can troll people with it for some reason I learn it by hard way.
The turret is literally more dangerous for you than the zombies
@@zestymoon I also wish you talked about grief mode maps and how much potential there is for really good survival maps. Mob of the Dead grief mode has mule kick and phd (all perks on mob) other than electric cherry and no jug. When you give a dog zombie instead of a tomahawk, the dog gives you a random drop and comes back every round. Box has a blundergat but no acid gat set, so you can use the weapon more strategically. Sad because the layout of the map is so much fun and accessible. The only problem is the grief mode only map. Same with the buried grief mode only map. Grief mode was active for 2 years and died because you needed at least 8 players in the lobby. And a 2 player game is so short because when one person goes down, the game ends.
@@mrcrowthebird9836 reason why I didn't is because I want to keep gamemodes it's own separate video
@@mrcrowthebird9836you don’t automatically win when enemy team goes down. You have to survive the round
@@lihzzahrdspeed6631 round last seconds becase they mostly die end of the round.
my favorite is bo1 just because of how unique each map feels, but hold so much love for bo2, 3 and 4 as well. and cold war
You gave black ops 2 the time it deserves
I always thought the replay value of mob was significantly less then that of origins. The repetition in mob lead me to feel like its so damn boring. Its neat when its novel, after you play it so much it because dreadful, and it begins to feel like a legitimate purgatory.
Only this time, the cycle cannot be broken
@zestymoon a steel condom indeed my friend
Mob of the dead will always to me have good memories it was my first easter egg I did with my cousin and got me into zombies but u can do the easter egg with only 2 players which is better then all 4 as long as one is the weasel.
I always hated the power station on tranzit. By the time i got into the second room, the bus was beginning to leave and i had to rush back to it, or risk going through the fog.
You could use the turbine though. Put it by the garage door and you can leave faster
@@zestymoon idk, I've always just had trouble with that area. It very well could just be a skill issue
Honestly I find BO2 zombies more fun to play than BO3 sometimes, for pretty much all the reasons listed in this video. Although, my opinion could be heavily influenced by nostalgia since BO2 was the first and only zombies game I ever played until I bought BO3 this year. Also I have basically zero experience on MOTD or Origins so as for my thoughts on the other four:
- TranZit is fun with a full lobby of players, but boring, lonely and tedious on solo
- Die Rise is frustrating sometimes but under-appreciated
- Buried is, like you said, basically a sandbox
- Nuketown is pretty cool I guess lol (fun to play on Plutonium servers with a lobby of 8 people!)
Very cool video by the way, always love seeing small RUclipsrs make masterpieces
Thanks for the compliment man. Never thought my video would be described as a masterpiece
Now that I think about it, why didn't Treyarch patch Tranzit, Die Rise, and Buried so the parts system works like Mob and Origins. Would've made Tranzit much less tedious.
What makes it worse is that they added the raygun mk2 from buried to all previous maps. Yet they left this crucially bad game design alone. Fantastic.
28:25 I agree with you, but farm grief was the bomb. Eight players on farm was chaotic to the max.
I honestly wished I liked black ops 2 more than waw bo1 and 3. I don’t know how to play any of the maps Easter egg wise except for the main maps minus transit
You can extend afterlife mode too 1 player sits behind whoever is in afterlife and keeps reviving bar upto 75 - 90 % this extends afterlife as it freezes bar or slows it down if done this way. Electric cherry was the bigger the reload the bigger the shock full mag reloads saved your ass lol. Sheild, golden spork + hells retreiver/redeemer is a must have on mod if going for high rounds or easter egg
the victis crew is so underrated i love all their maps including tranzit
Tranzit is so much fun with firends, would love a second atempt Tranzit 2!
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I love how everyone ignores the gta loading screen
Black ops 1 and 2 will forever be some of the greatest gaming I did in my lifetime. I think adding a 5th possibly a 6th player into tranzit could be good, more wall guns and make papped wall ammo 500pt cheaper, when the bus is traveling alone it shouldn't take so long to get back to the players unless players are split up around the map, the pack a punch is hard enough so you shouldn't have to build it, I think the door closing adds a great chaotic level of team work to keep open, maybe just me but the teleporters always leave me in the fog so I'd lower the likelihood of that happening and lastly fix the jet gun somehow.
tranzit is a good example of round based open world (for its scale) for its time
i really like die rise and tranzit,and i dont understand the criticisms whatsoever, most of them are just 'map ugly, map fog, no vibrant color palettes in the midst of a world ending nuclear and zombie apocalypse' instead of actual valid criticisms of the gameplay
What about my criticisms of tranzit? I’d say having two terrible methods of transport and a nearly unusable wonder weapon are pretty valid criticisms no?
Ever, thank you, Black Ops ll was never finished.
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#ReviveBlackOpsll
#BlackOpsllOriginalRemaster2025
what a video😮.Keep that work up man you deserve more followers
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed the video
I remember dropping HOURS on Transit with my friends and just as meany hours on Nuke Town! I loved the challenge it gave
Deadshot on console/controller autoaims to the head when you aim near a zombie as well as the hipfire spread reduction
Should’ve mentioned it. I completely forgot as I haven’t played controller in a couple years
I didn't see the obligatory "did you know that the origins EE step names were a reference to Reznov's escape plan from the vorkuta mission in bo1?" comment anywhere so i thought id go ahead and slide that in. Great video by the way, took me back in a bittersweet way, feels like since black ops 4, zombies has been on a downward trend, but in theyre defense im not sure how they could re-release the magic that was classic zombies without directly copying it, bo4 zombies wasnt inherently bad, just not what i hoped for, and every subsequent game felt the same if not more dissapointing, but man experiencing waw-bo3 zombies for the first time was really something special to me and my friends back then.
Sometimes I fall asleep watching videos and wake up half way to these types of videos
Man idk what happened to my bo2 game but I sadly only have Nuketown and buried, which are fun to play but dang i would love to play in Alcatraz
Seeing transit remastered/more worked on in bo6 would be amazing, as well as buried👍
Biggest memory from BO2 is the day Origins came out I was in school and I had genuinely felt sick so I went home but my brothers were convinced I was faking it just to go home and play but I swear to god I wasn’t 😂
Honestly Blundell's takeover was unjustified. I hated Tranzit and the Victus crew as much as anyone, but the original story was way better than anything post-Origins imo.
They never let them finish: Zelinski, Blundell (and maybe even Huston) all tried to write their stories but never got the chance to finish them. I honestly believe that this is the most forgotten problem of the entire cod zombies franchise.
Everyone hates tranzit but it's my favorite map 💯
If you enjoy the map man, don’t let me or anyone stop you from doing so. I’m glad you getting more out of it than me