Mob of the Dead is a masterclass of game design. In terms of narrative, gameplay, how the gameplay tells the narrative… The idea of being trapped in an endless, nightmarish cycle is brilliant. The execution is brilliant. The way this cycle ends up affecting the Origins crew is brilliant. Just absolutely amazing writing and design that stands the test of time
I really like the way Mob of The Dead is so disconnected from everything else; it goes out of its way to have straight-up demonic horror that's a layer or two deeper than the rest of Zombies' (up to that point) style of horror; the idea that there's an unknown entity - maybe the devil himself - toying with these people, taking ideas from and mimicking 115, but not being 115, was really enticing to me.
Mob of the Dead is a masterclass of game design. In terms of narrative, gameplay, how the gameplay tells the narrative… The idea of being trapped in an endless, nightmarish cycle is brilliant. The execution is brilliant. The way this cycle ends up affecting the Origins crew is brilliant. I love how the design parallels the real life Alcatraz escape. I love how electricity is a constant motif in the map. Then you have all the hell-ish motifs like the dogs, the Hell’s Retriever, the hanging bodies… Just absolutely amazing writing and design all around that stands the test of time
i always thought the reason the cycle breaks in blood is because Brutus was awaiting their arrival after Al broke his own cycle. if Al's cycle continues, Brutus is too tied up being their "warden" to trap primis and they are able to slip out into gorod krovi, but with the mobster's soul's freed Brutus is patiently awaiting the true captive target of the pocket dimension (primis Richtofen) and is able to stop them from leaving.
@phazebeast7373 like I like lex but the amount of times I've watched a smaller channels zombies video and then see lex has reacted to it with 5x more views
@@jeremyscungio16 yep He gains tons of revenue from someone other guys content. It sucks and other people spoke about it but lex just gets angry on Twitter.
@@jeremyscungio16idk to play Devil’s advocate, he seems to pause very often and give his thoughts on the video. Is that always the case? No but he does link the original so if there is any reaction videos to call scummy i wouldn’t say Lex’s would be at the top.
47:11 The cycle breaks because of Weasel. Throughout all of the cycles the many crews go through, on MotD the gangster kill Al, which is how it is supposed to be in the timeline, and allows the cycle to continue. But when Al ends up killing the gangsters, the cycle is broken and for some reason that causes Primis to teleport farther away from Richtofens lab later
this right here, this is the kind of well put together zombies content I've been dying to see be put out since BO4! There's not many people that thoroughly go through the maps and compare them instead of making a cheap 10-15 minute video, so you have my full respect for breaking that cycle (wink wink nod nod). Thank you for the hard work, the video was amazing, and as someone who loves both maps for their own reasons, I agree with your answer, even though I lean more towards blood. I can't wait to see what other projects you have in store, and if you plan on making more zombies comparison maps! Good thing there isn't a lot of reimagined maps hahahaha...haha....ha.....I'll see you in the Tag vs CotD video!
I watched the entire video, and I gotta say, I enjoyed watching it, even if I haven't play both as much but when I did play them, I really enjoyed both maps. So this I a great video I've watched in quite a bit.
Im pretty sure brutus is not stanley forgison. In many radios showing the lore of brutuses corruption by the shadowman stanley can be heard talking to brutus
He isn't Ferguson according to bo4, but he was clearly originally intended to be Ferguson based on his voicelines matching up with what the mobsters say and the opening cutscene. I don't play Blood often and usually headcanon that Mob is its own thing with Ferguson as Brutus
@@swervoogoat892 that’s what bo4 says, but this is not at all alluded to in bo2, bo2 Brutus goes through very specific details that are by far more consistent with it being Ferguson, a warden character isn’t even alluded to in bo2, and it makes far more narrative sense for fifth character in the intro (Ferguson) to be the big boss of the map with a grudge for getting murdered during the escape: as he talks about in many voice lines. Just because Jason Blundell changed his mind and retconned the MOTD story 2 games later does not mean that it was a good decision we should accept
@@jaxonspage it's ok to admit you were wrong. You made an assumption that was proven wrong. Saying brutus was clearly intended to be ferguson is just copium.
1. Nice video. I'm halfway through on my tv(moved to my phone to type), so I might edit this comment if u address what I say after 2. You can get both powers on and the sheild build by round 1 on BotD. If u shoot Brutus on the catwalk scene, he will spawn. And have the magmagat by round like 5-6, so the progression/set up can be sped up very quickly 2. If you listen to the radio, you learn that the Warden was tasked to wait for Richtofen, so Mob kinda only happens because he got bored 3. Takeo feels different because this is right after Zetsabo and Well Spoiler. He kills himself and learns the truth of the Emperor, which well he feels without a purpose. 4. The cycle is broken when in Revelations we(primis) get sent back into the Great War?, and richtofen realized they have done this before. In my opinion, it's stupid. I used to think they cycle being broken on mob caused blood, but no. It's further explained in Tag der Toten with pablo, which, for some reason he is also back in time . Recap, Pablo is getting attacked by a Margwa but then prmis is sent back in time and Richtofen saves him he comments he looks familiar (Pablo was a test subject for like Ultimus) so he helps Richtofen go into Alcatraz to wait and gives him the fire gem which he took ?? Never understood why the fire gem, it wasn't even Richtofens staff. Originally, they go in, get the vials, and go back to Zets (I think u can actually see them grt the vials after beating the ee) Side note, I think the bo4 ending was better, I feel them actually dying was better than being doomed to repeat it over and over.
Based off of what other people have commented, It seems like the agreed upon answer for what breaks the cycle is the cycle being broken in Mob of the Dead, which then in turn leads to blood of the dead happening. Unrelated to that, I also enjoy Tag’s ending quite a bit. Endings have never been zombies’ strong suit aside from Moon, but I feel like Tag was the best treyarch ending that we had gotten since moon, at least at that point. I think Cold War’s ending is pretty cool as well.
@Tactic_Zombies yes, it's just feels like a better explanation connecting mob and blood Also, for The Samantha Lullaby, I've heard everyone count it as the 3rd possible cycle. The first time I heard of it as a song, Esther egg. And yes, I enjoy Cold War and the moon ending as well. I believe we have yet to get a bad zombies game. Sure, some are better than others, but I enjoy playing all 6 games (WaW-CW) Side note. Great video, keep it up
@@Tactic_Zombies disagree. I think every ending besides origins was well done. Rev's ending complete the cycle that they need to break in black ops 4.
The saddest part for me in Richtofen's last speech in Blood is that he becomes increasingly delirious, pinballing between desperate leaps of logic and remembering who he is. "You can help me, you're a doctor..." "Don't you know who I am?". It's a pretty damn real depiction of bleeding out, considering CoD's standard for that is a death gurgle or some intense one liners.
hello random new zombie youtuber, you just popped up in my recommended feed, but sure, I’ll give you and hour and a half to hear you talk about mob and blood
I do think that Blood does ruin some concepts that Mob had prior. The biggest thing being Brutus. What was interesting was that mob crew looked human, Brutus looked like a monster, but it was the other way around, mob crew were the monsters because of their crimes, Brutus in reality was an innocent father and husband that was wasted doing his job. Making Brutus the warden ruins that. I also like the idea that Mob breaks convention. In most stories, time and time again a crew in a zombie outbreak has their odds against them, told they won’t survive. But they end up doing so having to group together and survive, this tale is opposite, to win is to lose, to seperate and end each other. You’re playing as characters that are already too late to fix anything, what is told is right this time. The crew despite that reflected on ego they were in life in different emotion. Sal had pride overall but regretted taking the life of an innocent girl due to his fear of his crew falling, Billy’s overall regrets and admittance of how he is wrong and could’ve been better had his mom not pass and his father was a better dad and so on. It’s like we are nearing the end with these people we just met, and I like that. It’s sad and it’s sucks because we have sympathy for the devil but Mob was bold to say “some can’t make it back as they fall too deep.” The happiest ending they get is that they’re allowed to die. Blood ruins that imo.
Stanley Fergison isn't Brutus, otherwise, great video! Edit: I should have watched further. Also, the cycle breaks because of Al killing the other 3. In the normal mob cycle, it's cannon that the 3 kill weasel for the Rev ending, but when Al breaks the cycle on mob, it's the whole cycle. And Al winning gives us the Tag ending Also, I know you said that the map mob isn't that creepy, but that's only at surface level. The deeper you look, the scarier it gets. Ever notice how many body bags are hanging in groups? They're almost exclusively found in groups of 4, theorized to hold the bodies of the previous cycle
Okay, thank you. That’s what my one buddy who’s used to be a big zombies lore guy said is the accepted answer for what breaks the cycle but I wasn’t 100% sure on it since he gets a lot of stuff like that wrong from time to time. And your original comment had me looking into Brutus and apparently there’s a some people who say that he was never Brutus even in Mob since he’s alive during the audio recordings, but I always assumed he just died of natural causes or something and then got sent to the purgatory due to his connection to the mobsters. But some of the cut Brutus voice lines that I played in the video are I think pretty rock solid proof that Ferguson was at least supposed to originally be Brutus, even if he wasn’t by the time the map dropped.
@Tactic_Zombies I agree. I always found those lines odd. I really love your style of video man. Keep up the amazing work! I made one more edit to my comment haha it's a long video to watch at work 😅
havent even gotten through the whole video yet but i love this bro! i like how its formatted, ur voice is chill and clear (unlike a lot of obnoxious cod zombies youtubers imo lol), and idk its just a sick topic!! definitely gonna watch more of ur stuff later xD
I used to play Blood of the Dead for hours upon hours. played 2 player with my friend online and we would fight zombies in shifts all night while the other got some sleep. good times fr
I believe the cycle breaks this time due to primis Richthofen being in his cryopod. Under normal circumstances post war richtofen isn’t there, this causes them to be thrown there in the wrong soot as Great War richtofen being there makes the kronorium rewrite itself, breaking the cycle.
I personally love both of these maps, I remember mob coming out as I remember watching the blood reveal in the bo4 livestream from Treyarch at the time. In my opinion as much as I do love the story and gameplay of mob of the dead through the aether where they made the cycle end, I have to stick with Blood as in story detail of how the cycle being broken from mob had effects of the kronorium. If I could take both as a best I would, personal opinion as in story line purposes, would have to be blood ❤
That’s fair, I still think blood has a very solid story but I’ve personally always appreciated the simplicity of Mob’s story. And yeah, that BO4 reveal livestream was crazy, probably the peak moment for zombies as a community.
@@Tactic_Zombies oh yeah 100% for sure. Mobs story is for sure goated as well. I was always hyped as hell whenever I heard “4 lost souls trapped in purgatory” I immediately think of Mob of the dead without a doubt
If I remember correctly i think it was implied that Weasel breaking the cycle in mob also broke the greater Aether one. Then again I think I remember hearing in Tag that Pablo had something to do with it but it's been a long time so I don't remember
Great video lad, I haven't really interacted with CoD in years let alone zombies but I still love zombies despite that, have a lot of fond memories with it, especially Mod of the Dead, I always found it to be one of my favourites, really love the vide and style. Honestly it might be my favourite, only maps I enjoyed just as much, though probably for different reasons are Kino der Toten and Buried. Really enjoyed the video and learning about blood of the dead since I honestly didn't know that existed.
Does anyone know why we all always throw the retriever on the plane? Like its something we all do every time, but why do we do it? Is there like a history behind that?
Honestly no idea, but I’m willing to bet money that there was some kind of rumor back in the day that it was part of an Easter egg. Like some “get the Ray gun everytime” type Easter egg, you know what I mean?
47:00 Primis is sent to the wrong spot because Blood of the Dead takes place shortly after Weasel breaks his cycle. Weasel breaking his cycle broke it for everyone else as well.
Worse weapons, worse wonder weapons, less traps, worse layout, worse high rounds, worse shield, worse perk system, worse difficulty, worse visuals, worse main quest, no dogs, less melee weapons, no talismans, no elixirs, no BO4 QoL additions, no co-op pause, worse sound design, less cutscenes, worse story, no health cap, only has four perks, worse atmosphere, no special weapons, worse equipment, no free monkey bombs, annoying PaP quest, PaP is outside of the main map, can't upgrade shield, no magmagat, worse graphics, worse sound design, afterlife is a bad mechanic, Brutus is too weak, no solo main quest, worse soundtrack, no boss fight. The fact that people hate BotD because of it's perk system and main quest is absurd, as Mob of the Dead only has four perks and has one of the worse main quests that you can't even do solo. Every aspect about BotD is superior. The speed, difficulty, aesthetics, story, quests, complexity, weapons, and everything is simply better. People make up silly reasons like "well in BO4 there's only one grenade slot" as if classic frag grenades were useful and not a waste of a keybind. They'll say "Well the Hell's Retriever is bad and wraith fires are better lol" when Wraith Fires have a massively longer cooldown and the Hell's Retriever isn't very strong on either map. They'll say the Acid Gat is bad, ignoring the fact that the magmagat exists and there's a health cap, which means the Blundergat variants will be viable on every round. Afterlife is a very bad mechanic as you can't revive people with it, it caused Quick Revive to be absent, and counters the fact that BO4 early rounds are too easy. I guarantee you almost all BotD haters have barely played the map and can't even tell me the locations of the Blundergat skulls. Somehow, the bird step is the main thing they complain about, saying "There's 42 bird locations lol" as if you need to memorize them. You can hear the bird when you look through the shield. You just have to run around for a short time each round occasionally listen through the shield. It's extremely easy and only requires one shield charge per round. The first bird is in cells and the fourth is in Warden's/Citadel/Docks.
@@themelancholiaand yet mob still was 100x better, bo4 was kiddie version of zombies no players i know played bo4 for longer then a week 😂. We all played mob for yrs though funny
You know I love mob cuz of the story and how it all started. Stanley Ferguson gets killed gets turned into the undead afyer they kill him alcatraz turns into hell, u have to build or first find the plane parts then build them onto the plane aftr u done that after 3 times i think can.t remember u fly into the golden gate bridge one last time and there is you against 3 mobsters and u have to kill them before they kill u. Thats why i love mob. Blood of the dead tho yea not my fav
For me its kinda strange because the brazilian community love blood of the dead (i love this map too) and to be honest mob and blood are my favorite maps of all time, maybe because i love the story of both maps and blood ee its the best and hardest, the only issue i see in blood its the fact that the golden gate didn't make it as a boss fight arena and the pap its annoying to find
Yeah, the ads on RUclips have gotten outrageous as of late, especially when watching on a TV. Last night I had a video give me 3 1/2 ads before I was allowed to skip.
For gameplay, the zombies in BO3 is a HUGE downgrade because the movement like no bunny hopping and the speed the zombies swing as well as the way the guns feel when you shoot zombies is just a huge turn off and the custom maps don’t outweigh the negatives of what I just mentioned, and don’t even get me started on the mud in Origins for BO3. In addition although PC BO3 has workshop mods, console BO2 has theater mods which PC doesn’t have and are more fun in my opinion.
@@blueskuII58 I definitely agree with the guns feeling weak in BO3. A lot of them don’t sound anywhere near as punchy and strong as the guns from BO1 and BO2. And thank you for mentioning the fast swing speed, my friends act like I’m crazy whenever I mention how fast it is in BO3
As much as I do agree with the weapons feeling weak in Black ops 3 I'm more puzzled over the fact that you think the movement in Black ops 3 feels a bit weird. Black ops 2 and 1 are great modes but in comparison of them the movement feels sluggish and a bit awkward especially when you knife is zombies and through the barrier. When sometimes his don't even register in the zombies can still hit and kill you. You can also slide past zombies with alpha not hitting you and it's more easier to jump over zombies. The zombies were a bit strong and a whole lot aggressive at first launch when when they hit you if they were able to grab you and restrict you for moving but treyarch patch that a long time ago during DE'slunch I'm even more puzzled over how custom workshops don't outweight the negatives when a your last complaint about the Black ops 3 weapons you can mod any map for it to be Black ops 2 weapons, Black ops 1 weapons, Even the modern cod weapons with the amount of optimization you can do you can even change the game. We seen it in maps like nightmare and there's even more projects that's going to be inspired by fallout, there's even a LEGO map that looks completely different from what you see, there's even world at war inspired maps that restrict both the movement in the health system like BO1 and world at war And compare it to even weapons versus BO4 and BO4 even though the base weapons are a bit weaker you literally have a specialist wonder weapon that you could pop out anytime you get cornered by a zombie. Again I do agree that the weapon sound weak and Black ops 3 I think that's one of a weakest sounding games compared to infinite warfare and even the new records but for the gameplay I completely disagree. Especially for what BO4 try to do.
The difference between mob of the dead cycle an blood of the dead cycle. In mob of the dead the only one that breaks free from the cycle is al. An in blood of the dead you free all the spirits an it answers a question I've been wondering if the 3 mobster beat al to dead on the roof how was he able to be electricuted with the others?
I played the OG map when it came out and it’s still legendary. I wish Blood had the Afterlife system and The Golden Gate Bridge but Blood takes it for me. Love the new areas and how you build up to getting to the prison. Also packed with Awesome side eggs. Other than the hells redeemer egg that one sucks lmao
Yeah, this video was a ton of fun to make, especially since I haven’t really played Blood since it first launched so it was almost like learning a whole new map again. I definitely think that had BO4 not launched as broken as it did then the general opinion of Blood would be much more positive
I agree, definitely not my favorite zombies game but now that the game’s dlc season is over and most of the bugs have been patched out it’s a really fun time
I’m sorry but the mob characters are better than primis in mob they fit better and help the atmosphere whereas I don’t really think the primis fit better only one that made the atmosphere was Richthofen because we never see him panicking
Ok, good video but literally nobody has ever argued "Mob of the Dead or Blood of the Dead" because Mob is just infinitely better, and its in an outright better zombies game. Blood would probably be better if it was in Bo3 or Cold War but bo4 is just... The worst zombies that Treyarch has made. But even it it was it still wouldn't hold a candle to Mob. If it wasn't using the MotD identity people wouldn't like it nearly as much.
I agree that Mob is better, but you’d be surprised at how diehard of a following Blood has, especially over on the zombies subreddit. And I totally agree that Blood would be way better in BO3 especially. I think it would’ve worked great as a hypothetical DLC 6 of BO3 because not only would it have been in a better game but it would’ve been a great way to get people hyped for BO4 now that the cycle was broken.
@@Tactic_Zombies it definitely would've been better off... But I still probably wouldn't like it, at the very least from a lore perspective. I really don't like bo4's story and one of my least favorite parts is how Richtofen is treated. It just feels really disrespectful to the character and unnecessarily cruel. And I find the way that the other 3 just go along with it without so much as a farewell... It just feels like it's bordering on character assassination, especially since Richtofen sacrificed himself. I know that the group aren't like, super besties or anything but it just feels bad and wrong.
47:20. This may be my head canon, but i rationalized it as its when weasel broke the cycle, they didnt go to the same alcatraz as the cycle broke. Edit: I've never played bo4 but I watched the cutscenes
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The rise of this new wave of Zombies Content Creators is something i love to see. Out with the old, in with the new
I always prefer new zombies youtuber with a couple exceptions here and there
New creators that Activision pays RUclips to promote when news of a new game starts getting revealed to turn the wheel for call of acrivision 25
I can promise you activision is not paying to promote a RUclips channel with 2K subs 😭
@@ididntaskverified3663 activision has enough simps thatll do it foe fee bro
Mob of the Dead is a masterclass of game design. In terms of narrative, gameplay, how the gameplay tells the narrative… The idea of being trapped in an endless, nightmarish cycle is brilliant. The execution is brilliant. The way this cycle ends up affecting the Origins crew is brilliant. Just absolutely amazing writing and design that stands the test of time
I really like the way Mob of The Dead is so disconnected from everything else; it goes out of its way to have straight-up demonic horror that's a layer or two deeper than the rest of Zombies' (up to that point) style of horror; the idea that there's an unknown entity - maybe the devil himself - toying with these people, taking ideas from and mimicking 115, but not being 115, was really enticing to me.
I don’t recall the exact explanation but I thought I recall hearing that weasel breaking his cycle is what ends up breaking the entire cycle.
Mob of the Dead is a masterclass of game design. In terms of narrative, gameplay, how the gameplay tells the narrative… The idea of being trapped in an endless, nightmarish cycle is brilliant. The execution is brilliant. The way this cycle ends up affecting the Origins crew is brilliant. I love how the design parallels the real life Alcatraz escape. I love how electricity is a constant motif in the map. Then you have all the hell-ish motifs like the dogs, the Hell’s Retriever, the hanging bodies… Just absolutely amazing writing and design all around that stands the test of time
i always thought the reason the cycle breaks in blood is because Brutus was awaiting their arrival after Al broke his own cycle.
if Al's cycle continues, Brutus is too tied up being their "warden" to trap primis and they are able to slip out into gorod krovi, but with the mobster's soul's freed Brutus is patiently awaiting the true captive target of the pocket dimension (primis Richtofen) and is able to stop them from leaving.
Can’t wait to rewatch this on lex lounge lol
Lowkey kinda scummy taking views like that
@@jeremyscungio16True. Too lazy to make his own content so he goes to smaller channels and steals their stuff
@phazebeast7373 like I like lex but the amount of times I've watched a smaller channels zombies video and then see lex has reacted to it with 5x more views
@@jeremyscungio16 yep He gains tons of revenue from someone other guys content. It sucks and other people spoke about it but lex just gets angry on Twitter.
@@jeremyscungio16idk to play Devil’s advocate, he seems to pause very often and give his thoughts on the video. Is that always the case? No but he does link the original so if there is any reaction videos to call scummy i wouldn’t say Lex’s would be at the top.
You have given me the best explanation for what happens in Blood of the Dead on RUclips. God the story is so confusing. Great video!
47:11 The cycle breaks because of Weasel. Throughout all of the cycles the many crews go through, on MotD the gangster kill Al, which is how it is supposed to be in the timeline, and allows the cycle to continue. But when Al ends up killing the gangsters, the cycle is broken and for some reason that causes Primis to teleport farther away from Richtofens lab later
Can't begin to describe the speed at which I clicked this video. Around the time of neuron activation.
“Zombies Video Essays are as addicting to the human brain as crack” - Dr T. Zombies
But, you begun to describe..
@@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627 shit u right
Don’t forget on Mob you could throw your grenades into the fire beneath the first Hell Hound and get points for each grenade
he says that
this right here, this is the kind of well put together zombies content I've been dying to see be put out since BO4! There's not many people that thoroughly go through the maps and compare them instead of making a cheap 10-15 minute video, so you have my full respect for breaking that cycle (wink wink nod nod). Thank you for the hard work, the video was amazing, and as someone who loves both maps for their own reasons, I agree with your answer, even though I lean more towards blood. I can't wait to see what other projects you have in store, and if you plan on making more zombies comparison maps! Good thing there isn't a lot of reimagined maps hahahaha...haha....ha.....I'll see you in the Tag vs CotD video!
Was going to watch Milo's podcast while cleaning but this popped up, with Mob being my all time favorite i had to watch this. Milo can wait.
loved the video! heard the story a thousand times but this was still refreshing and interesting the whole way through :D
As another dude said, I clicked on this video at light speed I love this topic, what a great watch!
Great video, love watching new zombies creators
I watched the entire video, and I gotta say, I enjoyed watching it, even if I haven't play both as much but when I did play them, I really enjoyed both maps. So this I a great video I've watched in quite a bit.
Im pretty sure brutus is not stanley forgison. In many radios showing the lore of brutuses corruption by the shadowman stanley can be heard talking to brutus
He isn't Ferguson according to bo4, but he was clearly originally intended to be Ferguson based on his voicelines matching up with what the mobsters say and the opening cutscene. I don't play Blood often and usually headcanon that Mob is its own thing with Ferguson as Brutus
He is the warden of Alcatraz he pretended to be Stanley to the mobsters
@@swervoogoat892 that’s what bo4 says, but this is not at all alluded to in bo2, bo2 Brutus goes through very specific details that are by far more consistent with it being Ferguson, a warden character isn’t even alluded to in bo2, and it makes far more narrative sense for fifth character in the intro (Ferguson) to be the big boss of the map with a grudge for getting murdered during the escape: as he talks about in many voice lines. Just because Jason Blundell changed his mind and retconned the MOTD story 2 games later does not mean that it was a good decision we should accept
@@jaxonspage yeah the warden pretended to be Ferguson because we see Ferguson come back as a regular zombie in the cinematic not Brutus
@@jaxonspage it's ok to admit you were wrong. You made an assumption that was proven wrong. Saying brutus was clearly intended to be ferguson is just copium.
1. Nice video.
I'm halfway through on my tv(moved to my phone to type), so I might edit this comment if u address what I say after
2. You can get both powers on and the sheild build by round 1 on BotD. If u shoot Brutus on the catwalk scene, he will spawn. And have the magmagat by round like 5-6, so the progression/set up can be sped up very quickly
2. If you listen to the radio, you learn that the Warden was tasked to wait for Richtofen, so Mob kinda only happens because he got bored
3. Takeo feels different because this is right after Zetsabo and Well Spoiler. He kills himself and learns the truth of the Emperor, which well he feels without a purpose.
4. The cycle is broken when in Revelations we(primis) get sent back into the Great War?, and richtofen realized they have done this before. In my opinion, it's stupid. I used to think they cycle being broken on mob caused blood, but no. It's further explained in Tag der Toten with pablo, which, for some reason he is also back in time . Recap, Pablo is getting attacked by a Margwa but then prmis is sent back in time and Richtofen saves him he comments he looks familiar (Pablo was a test subject for like Ultimus) so he helps Richtofen go into Alcatraz to wait and gives him the fire gem which he took ?? Never understood why the fire gem, it wasn't even Richtofens staff. Originally, they go in, get the vials, and go back to Zets (I think u can actually see them grt the vials after beating the ee)
Side note, I think the bo4 ending was better, I feel them actually dying was better than being doomed to repeat it over and over.
Based off of what other people have commented, It seems like the agreed upon answer for what breaks the cycle is the cycle being broken in Mob of the Dead, which then in turn leads to blood of the dead happening. Unrelated to that, I also enjoy Tag’s ending quite a bit. Endings have never been zombies’ strong suit aside from Moon, but I feel like Tag was the best treyarch ending that we had gotten since moon, at least at that point. I think Cold War’s ending is pretty cool as well.
@Tactic_Zombies yes, it's just feels like a better explanation connecting mob and blood
Also, for The Samantha Lullaby, I've heard everyone count it as the 3rd possible cycle. The first time I heard of it as a song, Esther egg. And yes, I enjoy Cold War and the moon ending as well. I believe we have yet to get a bad zombies game. Sure, some are better than others, but I enjoy playing all 6 games (WaW-CW)
Side note. Great video, keep it up
@@Tactic_Zombies disagree. I think every ending besides origins was well done. Rev's ending complete the cycle that they need to break in black ops 4.
The saddest part for me in Richtofen's last speech in Blood is that he becomes increasingly delirious, pinballing between desperate leaps of logic and remembering who he is. "You can help me, you're a doctor..." "Don't you know who I am?". It's a pretty damn real depiction of bleeding out, considering CoD's standard for that is a death gurgle or some intense one liners.
hello random new zombie youtuber, you just popped up in my recommended feed, but sure, I’ll give you and hour and a half to hear you talk about mob and blood
Thank you, I’m glad that you decided to let me entertain you for an hour or a half or so, and I hope you enjoyed the video
I do think that Blood does ruin some concepts that Mob had prior. The biggest thing being Brutus. What was interesting was that mob crew looked human, Brutus looked like a monster, but it was the other way around, mob crew were the monsters because of their crimes, Brutus in reality was an innocent father and husband that was wasted doing his job. Making Brutus the warden ruins that.
I also like the idea that Mob breaks convention. In most stories, time and time again a crew in a zombie outbreak has their odds against them, told they won’t survive. But they end up doing so having to group together and survive, this tale is opposite, to win is to lose, to seperate and end each other. You’re playing as characters that are already too late to fix anything, what is told is right this time. The crew despite that reflected on ego they were in life in different emotion. Sal had pride overall but regretted taking the life of an innocent girl due to his fear of his crew falling, Billy’s overall regrets and admittance of how he is wrong and could’ve been better had his mom not pass and his father was a better dad and so on. It’s like we are nearing the end with these people we just met, and I like that. It’s sad and it’s sucks because we have sympathy for the devil but Mob was bold to say “some can’t make it back as they fall too deep.” The happiest ending they get is that they’re allowed to die. Blood ruins that imo.
Stanley Fergison isn't Brutus, otherwise, great video!
Edit: I should have watched further. Also, the cycle breaks because of Al killing the other 3. In the normal mob cycle, it's cannon that the 3 kill weasel for the Rev ending, but when Al breaks the cycle on mob, it's the whole cycle. And Al winning gives us the Tag ending
Also, I know you said that the map mob isn't that creepy, but that's only at surface level. The deeper you look, the scarier it gets. Ever notice how many body bags are hanging in groups? They're almost exclusively found in groups of 4, theorized to hold the bodies of the previous cycle
Okay, thank you. That’s what my one buddy who’s used to be a big zombies lore guy said is the accepted answer for what breaks the cycle but I wasn’t 100% sure on it since he gets a lot of stuff like that wrong from time to time. And your original comment had me looking into Brutus and apparently there’s a some people who say that he was never Brutus even in Mob since he’s alive during the audio recordings, but I always assumed he just died of natural causes or something and then got sent to the purgatory due to his connection to the mobsters. But some of the cut Brutus voice lines that I played in the video are I think pretty rock solid proof that Ferguson was at least supposed to originally be Brutus, even if he wasn’t by the time the map dropped.
@Tactic_Zombies I agree. I always found those lines odd. I really love your style of video man. Keep up the amazing work! I made one more edit to my comment haha it's a long video to watch at work 😅
Great video! And can't wait for that naruto retrospective video!
havent even gotten through the whole video yet but i love this bro! i like how its formatted, ur voice is chill and clear (unlike a lot of obnoxious cod zombies youtubers imo lol), and idk its just a sick topic!! definitely gonna watch more of ur stuff later xD
Thank you, I appreciate it!
I used to play Blood of the Dead for hours upon hours. played 2 player with my friend online and we would fight zombies in shifts all night while the other got some sleep. good times fr
Return of the King 🙏👑
No joke I thought you were Tim Hansen for a second lol, you sound like him when he isn't yelling.
Yo the outro took me back to the og vanoss days 😂
I believe the cycle breaks this time due to primis Richthofen being in his cryopod. Under normal circumstances post war richtofen isn’t there, this causes them to be thrown there in the wrong soot as Great War richtofen being there makes the kronorium rewrite itself, breaking the cycle.
I personally love both of these maps, I remember mob coming out as I remember watching the blood reveal in the bo4 livestream from Treyarch at the time. In my opinion as much as I do love the story and gameplay of mob of the dead through the aether where they made the cycle end, I have to stick with Blood as in story detail of how the cycle being broken from mob had effects of the kronorium. If I could take both as a best I would, personal opinion as in story line purposes, would have to be blood ❤
That’s fair, I still think blood has a very solid story but I’ve personally always appreciated the simplicity of Mob’s story. And yeah, that BO4 reveal livestream was crazy, probably the peak moment for zombies as a community.
@@Tactic_Zombies oh yeah 100% for sure. Mobs story is for sure goated as well. I was always hyped as hell whenever I heard “4 lost souls trapped in purgatory” I immediately think of Mob of the dead without a doubt
Golden sporknife quest might be extreme but the 1hit on everything forever is pretty savage
If I remember correctly i think it was implied that Weasel breaking the cycle in mob also broke the greater Aether one. Then again I think I remember hearing in Tag that Pablo had something to do with it but it's been a long time so I don't remember
Great video lad, I haven't really interacted with CoD in years let alone zombies but I still love zombies despite that, have a lot of fond memories with it, especially Mod of the Dead, I always found it to be one of my favourites, really love the vide and style. Honestly it might be my favourite, only maps I enjoyed just as much, though probably for different reasons are Kino der Toten and Buried. Really enjoyed the video and learning about blood of the dead since I honestly didn't know that existed.
soundgarden mentioned let’s fucking go
Chris Cornell would’ve loved OvertimeSlopper420
Babe wake up, Tactics Zombies just dropped another banger❤
5:10 RIP TopazDegree2180
You left the game, but not our hearts.
“really nothing like afterlife in any other zombies map”
SHADOWS OF EVIL CURSE EXISTS
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the reason why the cycle is broken is because in the storyline the weasel breaks the cycle which causes everything in the timeline to be messed up
Does anyone know why we all always throw the retriever on the plane? Like its something we all do every time, but why do we do it? Is there like a history behind that?
it's just fun watching it flying in the air lol
Hells redeemer upgrade
Honestly no idea, but I’m willing to bet money that there was some kind of rumor back in the day that it was part of an Easter egg. Like some “get the Ray gun everytime” type Easter egg, you know what I mean?
@@MTBMeech Just checked, none of the redeemer steps are that.
@@Tactic_Zombies yea... Maybe. Or maybe its just one of those collective things we all just do.. Like not opening the stage door on Kino or something
47:00 Primis is sent to the wrong spot because Blood of the Dead takes place shortly after Weasel breaks his cycle.
Weasel breaking his cycle broke it for everyone else as well.
This has never been a debate MOB is clearly superior
Worse weapons, worse wonder weapons, less traps, worse layout, worse high rounds, worse shield, worse perk system, worse difficulty, worse visuals, worse main quest, no dogs, less melee weapons, no talismans, no elixirs, no BO4 QoL additions, no co-op pause, worse sound design, less cutscenes, worse story, no health cap, only has four perks, worse atmosphere, no special weapons, worse equipment, no free monkey bombs, annoying PaP quest, PaP is outside of the main map, can't upgrade shield, no magmagat, worse graphics, worse sound design, afterlife is a bad mechanic, Brutus is too weak, no solo main quest, worse soundtrack, no boss fight.
The fact that people hate BotD because of it's perk system and main quest is absurd, as Mob of the Dead only has four perks and has one of the worse main quests that you can't even do solo. Every aspect about BotD is superior. The speed, difficulty, aesthetics, story, quests, complexity, weapons, and everything is simply better. People make up silly reasons like "well in BO4 there's only one grenade slot" as if classic frag grenades were useful and not a waste of a keybind. They'll say "Well the Hell's Retriever is bad and wraith fires are better lol" when Wraith Fires have a massively longer cooldown and the Hell's Retriever isn't very strong on either map. They'll say the Acid Gat is bad, ignoring the fact that the magmagat exists and there's a health cap, which means the Blundergat variants will be viable on every round. Afterlife is a very bad mechanic as you can't revive people with it, it caused Quick Revive to be absent, and counters the fact that BO4 early rounds are too easy. I guarantee you almost all BotD haters have barely played the map and can't even tell me the locations of the Blundergat skulls. Somehow, the bird step is the main thing they complain about, saying "There's 42 bird locations lol" as if you need to memorize them. You can hear the bird when you look through the shield. You just have to run around for a short time each round occasionally listen through the shield. It's extremely easy and only requires one shield charge per round. The first bird is in cells and the fourth is in Warden's/Citadel/Docks.
@@themelancholia I'm not ready any of that BO4 fan girl there's a reason MOB is considered top 3 map of all time and blood is nowhere near it
@@themelancholiaholy god botd is dogshit bo3 clears get over it buddy
@@themelancholiaand yet mob still was 100x better, bo4 was kiddie version of zombies no players i know played bo4 for longer then a week 😂. We all played mob for yrs though funny
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I love mob cuz of the story and how it all started. Stanley Ferguson gets killed gets turned into the undead afyer they kill him alcatraz turns into hell, u have to build or first find the plane parts then build them onto the plane aftr u done that after 3 times i think can.t remember u fly into the golden gate bridge one last time and there is you against 3 mobsters and u have to kill them before they kill u. Thats why i love mob. Blood of the dead tho yea not my fav
For me its kinda strange because the brazilian community love blood of the dead (i love this map too) and to be honest mob and blood are my favorite maps of all time, maybe because i love the story of both maps and blood ee its the best and hardest, the only issue i see in blood its the fact that the golden gate didn't make it as a boss fight arena and the pap its annoying to find
I swear to go I’ve been getting ads every 5 minutes. RUclips needs to fix this
Yeah, the ads on RUclips have gotten outrageous as of late, especially when watching on a TV. Last night I had a video give me 3 1/2 ads before I was allowed to skip.
Stanley Ferguson isnt Brutus, they are separate characters
Mob of the Dead or Blood of the Dead
Mob. Mob any day of the week
Hey you should bring back David from the apex videos he was pretty cool
That’s what I’m saying!
For gameplay, the zombies in BO3 is a HUGE downgrade because the movement like no bunny hopping and the speed the zombies swing as well as the way the guns feel when you shoot zombies is just a huge turn off and the custom maps don’t outweigh the negatives of what I just mentioned, and don’t even get me started on the mud in Origins for BO3. In addition although PC BO3 has workshop mods, console BO2 has theater mods which PC doesn’t have and are more fun in my opinion.
@@blueskuII58 I definitely agree with the guns feeling weak in BO3. A lot of them don’t sound anywhere near as punchy and strong as the guns from BO1 and BO2. And thank you for mentioning the fast swing speed, my friends act like I’m crazy whenever I mention how fast it is in BO3
As much as I do agree with the weapons feeling weak in Black ops 3 I'm more puzzled over the fact that you think the movement in Black ops 3 feels a bit weird.
Black ops 2 and 1 are great modes but in comparison of them the movement feels sluggish and a bit awkward especially when you knife is zombies and through the barrier. When sometimes his don't even register in the zombies can still hit and kill you. You can also slide past zombies with alpha not hitting you and it's more easier to jump over zombies. The zombies were a bit strong and a whole lot aggressive at first launch when when they hit you if they were able to grab you and restrict you for moving but treyarch patch that a long time ago during DE'slunch
I'm even more puzzled over how custom workshops don't outweight the negatives when a your last complaint about the Black ops 3 weapons you can mod any map for it to be Black ops 2 weapons, Black ops 1 weapons, Even the modern cod weapons with the amount of optimization you can do you can even change the game.
We seen it in maps like nightmare and there's even more projects that's going to be inspired by fallout, there's even a LEGO map that looks completely different from what you see, there's even world at war inspired maps that restrict both the movement in the health system like BO1 and world at war
And compare it to even weapons versus BO4 and BO4 even though the base weapons are a bit weaker you literally have a specialist wonder weapon that you could pop out anytime you get cornered by a zombie.
Again I do agree that the weapon sound weak and Black ops 3 I think that's one of a weakest sounding games compared to infinite warfare and even the new records but for the gameplay I completely disagree. Especially for what BO4 try to do.
The difference between mob of the dead cycle an blood of the dead cycle. In mob of the dead the only one that breaks free from the cycle is al. An in blood of the dead you free all the spirits an it answers a question I've been wondering if the 3 mobster beat al to dead on the roof how was he able to be electricuted with the others?
I’ll say it now , blood is better I prefer story and Easter egg and can’t be touched
I like Dead of the Night a little more but BotD is my second fav in the series
@@themelancholia I love dead of the night
12:00 beat Name? 😅 good video
It’s called “Twilight”, its from the dead ops arcade soundtrack. That’s where I got most of the music for the gameplay section of the video.
@@Tactic_Zombies nice
I played the OG map when it came out and it’s still legendary. I wish Blood had the Afterlife system and The Golden Gate Bridge but Blood takes it for me. Love the new areas and how you build up to getting to the prison. Also packed with Awesome side eggs. Other than the hells redeemer egg that one sucks lmao
Yeah, this video was a ton of fun to make, especially since I haven’t really played Blood since it first launched so it was almost like learning a whole new map again. I definitely think that had BO4 not launched as broken as it did then the general opinion of Blood would be much more positive
Who’s Who was definitely the first After Life mode, just wasn’t nearly as good
Honest I think both are great. BO4 is underrated. Not like it's the greatest or anything but underrated.
I agree, definitely not my favorite zombies game but now that the game’s dlc season is over and most of the bugs have been patched out it’s a really fun time
Ima be honest I didn't know there was much of a debate. I thought most hated BOTD
Yeah, nowadays there’s a lot of people who think very highly of blood of the dead
most people who "hate" BOTD are just sheep following what their favorite creator says
I love both
People who hate blood never gave it a chance, it is as deep as origins and as alive as Shadows
I’m sorry but the mob characters are better than primis in mob they fit better and help the atmosphere whereas I don’t really think the primis fit better only one that made the atmosphere was Richthofen because we never see him panicking
Ok, good video but literally nobody has ever argued "Mob of the Dead or Blood of the Dead" because Mob is just infinitely better, and its in an outright better zombies game. Blood would probably be better if it was in Bo3 or Cold War but bo4 is just... The worst zombies that Treyarch has made. But even it it was it still wouldn't hold a candle to Mob. If it wasn't using the MotD identity people wouldn't like it nearly as much.
I agree that Mob is better, but you’d be surprised at how diehard of a following Blood has, especially over on the zombies subreddit. And I totally agree that Blood would be way better in BO3 especially. I think it would’ve worked great as a hypothetical DLC 6 of BO3 because not only would it have been in a better game but it would’ve been a great way to get people hyped for BO4 now that the cycle was broken.
@@Tactic_Zombies it definitely would've been better off... But I still probably wouldn't like it, at the very least from a lore perspective. I really don't like bo4's story and one of my least favorite parts is how Richtofen is treated. It just feels really disrespectful to the character and unnecessarily cruel. And I find the way that the other 3 just go along with it without so much as a farewell... It just feels like it's bordering on character assassination, especially since Richtofen sacrificed himself. I know that the group aren't like, super besties or anything but it just feels bad and wrong.
I argue, with my friend all the time I prefer blood
Cold War is far worse than Bo4.
@@DiddlePantsFTW LoudIncorrectBuzzerSound.mp4
Blood>mob and it's not even a competition imo.
0/10 rage bait
@@NCCalvin9 Wasn't really a rage bait but thanks for the review man
@@A__69Aa Well then that's a terrible L unpopular opinion
@NCCalvin9 it's just his personal preference. God forbid people have different opinions.
@@will_da_man_ Thank you man
In my opinion blood is better than mob and my fav aether map in BO4
Spoilers both are bad
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I'm going to be honest and I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but blood of the dead in my opinion is better than mob of the dead
17:24 “A lot of the cool stuff with Brutus comes with the other ways he can hurt the player, like emotionally.”
47:20. This may be my head canon, but i rationalized it as its when weasel broke the cycle, they didnt go to the same alcatraz as the cycle broke.
Edit: I've never played bo4 but I watched the cutscenes