This. I applied to join the Royal Engineers when at the time I was a time served Plumber, going in as a Plumber, I’d worked for 10 years as a plumber on building sites. I also had a HNC In Construction. They turned me down because I didn’t have the right GCSE results.
@@Bobbybulsara179Mate, you were over qualified for the instructors! I have been in situations where I had higher qualifications and experience than the OIC. It produces resentment and its bad for morale. Always ask the question, “who taught the instructor, when was the course first set up, when was it reviewed?”. Cheers mate. Harera
As a reservist, I undertook annual camp with lots of interesting training included (for example FIBUA). however afterwards during R&R we chose to do paintballing and I think I learnt more during that 'phase (than during the structured part of the training) I think this was because when you suddenly become more relaxed - your ability to learn increases. By doing the formal teaching phase first you subconsciously absorbed the formal instruction, but the cementing of ideas and consolidation occurs during the relaxed phase. I would definitely recommend including paintballing at the end of any formal infantry training.
I was (briefly) a TA Engineer reservist. My day job was operating mobile/crawler cranes, yet I was not allowed to operate the army's mobile cranes because I was a POM and not a driver... Having to watch military crane ops in action was painful...
Hi, I see that basically nothing much has changed or been learned from past mistakes. We had a huge change in attitudes when Britain dropped National Service and went on to a Professional Volunteer Armed Forces. But the people responsible for the overview were still the same people who were stuck in the dead end jobs prior to being eventually pensioned off. Attitudes to women changed Officially, keeping distance between soldiers and officers took generations i.e. awards for officers and OR’s e.g. MM & MC; QMC Officers could not command and a Lieutenant would command in absence of OC whilst the Quartermaster Commissioned Officer in the rank of Major was bypassed. Foreign born citizens were not commissioned, Gurkha born Officers could not command British soldiers. I could go on quoting from experience of 20 years, but you get the point! I remember talking to my Brigade Major after auditing a military establishment and the Major said to me that they were still using the exact syllabus that he had written twelve years ago after Nam! Its not just the armed forces, the same is happening in our education system. I am nearly on my way out of this life, people feel at ease doing the same, same old! Cheers mate. Harera
They could make a decision on a military career, Plus learn some skills.But i have been curious for a while, I intend retiring/working much less in 5 years and keen to know best, how people split their pay, how much of it goes into savings, spendings or investments? I earn up to $180K per year, but nothing to show for it yet
I think providing people with civilian skills are pre-tested to see if they meet the required standards. for someone who needs some catch-up, consider the 80/20 model. Needs and wants / Investments
They were as good if not better than the regular soldiers. There are a lot of people like this. Im 52 and just getting serious about retirement. Its sad because the time to get serious was 20 years ago or even younger.
For me, I'm quite lucky exposed to financial planning at early age, started work at 21 and invested to my 401k through my employer, going forward I purchased first home at 33, unfortunately got laid-off afterwards, amid 2020 covid-outbreak. At once, I hired an advisor to help stay afloat, and as of today, I'm only 25% short of achieving my 7-figure ballpark goal after subsequents investments.
My advisor is Laura Grace Abels, a renowned figure in portfolio diversity. I recommend researching her further on the web, she's well established with over two decades of experience in her line of work.
There is no replacing practical hands on training. Some of that article might work on the more 'techi' trades but infantry soldiers need the discipline and soldiering skills and that hasn't really changed that much in the last half century (that's a good thing)
Going in as a PTI in the RAF as an already working personal trainer - they wouldn't see my point that phase 2 is already completed on my side. Not to mention the qualification they give is a level 2 (gym instructor) and I'm already a level 3. Oh well, just enjoy the journey.
That's because phase 2 is way more than JUST trade training and there are still hints of 'recruit' training that would resemble phase 1. Stricter rules than battalion, bigger expectation to still act in a similar manner as you would in phase 1 etc.
@@5eyesalliance785 oh I understand there’s a bigger picture. I do understand that the journey just needs to be completed - just was one of those moments that made me think.
My son a RM Cdo PTI is a Gradute in fitness now doing a Masters as well as his piers. I do get your point completely. Great that the military maybe rethinking education and training.
Individualss win wars, groups are predictable! the main difference in the war of independence was that despite the American leadership a couple of their military leaders were very capable, whilst the Uk hoped to hold onto the American colonies whilst they beat France, Spain, and the Dutch Republic at the same time (next 3 biggest powers in the world then). Patton or Bradley? Patton was such an individual, whereas Bradley was a coward, who ran from the front at the Battle of bulge, Monty, (mainly) and Patton had to shore up his mistakes, and predictable moves. For which Monty, and Patton recieve very little praise!!
@@thetruthhurts7675 Individuals are disorganised and are always defeated by the organised. This is why you always target officers and command centers first.
@@danielkrcmar5395 Ok I will name two who were defeated, but ultimately ended with their prize. The first individual who even had to fight just to stay alive after his father was killed by the Tartars was one Genghis Khan. He lost a few of his early battles, but had bright idividual generals who turned the tide in his early years. Then when Genghis went on his domination of. Asia he was the individual with the ideas. He fought a constant war on 3 fronts, was never in a position where any of his armys were greater in number than his enemy, and with his unique individual style which was able to totally adapt to not only numbers of enemy, but also to how they fought. Then the next individual on whom British France was based Richrd the Lionheart. He was also individual in his outlook on battles. He started early fighting his father, the English king, he even with his elder Brother burned Le Mans because his father was holding out there. He won most of his battles on campaign including swinging the tide in the middle east for the Christians, He beat the Muslims in the middle east from which he learnt much of the things he did when fighting the French. He built the most imposing Chateau in France called Gaillard based on what he learned about seiges in the midlle east. In fact it was Richard's idea to ally with the mongols in the first instance to beat the Muslims of the middle east, and make Christian areas much safer!! Those are just two individual leaders. Whereas Richard's Brother John (who relied on his organisation called the Army) LOST France, and after Kublai Khan the empire split into the Hordes, and was never the same again. You see organisations are slow to react, slow to change, where as individuals in a war always make the major difference. See Sun Tsu on the effectiveness of individuals in war. or Von Clausewitz. Sun Tzu : “In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity” This is about the individual NOT the collective organisation. Von Clausewitz : "He argues that war is “subjective,”[IV] “an act of policy,”[V] and “a pulsation of violence.”[VI] Put another way, the nature of war is chaotic, inherently political, and violent. Clausewitz then states that despite war’s “colorful resemblance to a game of chance, all the vicissitudes of its passion, courage, imagination, and enthusiasm it includes are merely its special characteristics.”[VII] In other words, all changes in warfare are those smaller pieces that evolve and interact to make up the character of war." This is also a necessart thought on individuals. What both are in fact stating is that only the brilliant individual leader can apparently "see through the fog of war," and react as is Necesary, and win through!
This makes sense, I’d be curious as to how well this fits an organisation that might not be used to that sort of flexibility. I applied to join the reserves as an officer when that became available. I had technical skills but wanted to get - from the army - more leadership experience and management skills. My application was declined on an academic basis. My A-Levels weren’t good enough. Firstly, they would have been when I originally got them but more importantly - at this point I had three degrees including a doctorate from Oxford that I had had to submit evidence of. I didn’t feel upset or insulted - I could see why the organisation would need strong clear decisions and some degree of rigidity. Rules are rules. I did though decide that I probably wouldn’t have done very well in an organisation that works like that anyway. The army was probably better off without someone who would want to make a decision for myself when there is a clear issue with the standing order or set of guidance. So having listened to this I just wonder how - culturally - the army is likely to respond to that sort of challenge? Is it full of people desperate to do it or will they be pushing water uphill?
With regards to your last sentence, I'll go with both. Pushing water uphill at the same time, desperately trying to do it. It's quite a lose ◀️ ▶️ lose situation kind of, if you've gained proper weight academically
Playing devil's advocate, wouldn't you say some kind of competency test is required. In the same way, a civilian firefighter may be expected to perform a test or two to prove their skills are up to standards?
@@studentaviator3756 I'm more than happy with that, and would still need to do the training in regards to how they process casualties in the field and the likes. It's more being able to join as a paramedic and doing the relevant role right away rather then spending years going through training you've already done as a civi to get to the same point.
@johnpixie Yes, obviously, you should be fast tracked and not be retaught skills you already know. It's such a waste of money and lack of talent utilisation that paramedics had to relearn all these skills. Also, it's so unfair on the recruits
I don't think agency counts for much in a trench. Surely you ask Ukrainian veterans what training benefited them in battle last week, and build your training around what worked for them.
Britain is the ones that have been training the Ukrainians since last year and before the war even started. But we ramped up training with more soldiers quicker.
@@thingstodoinguernseychannelI think they mean, what did we just teach the Ukes that was actually the most useful so we can expand on that for when we train our own boys and girls
Train hard, fight easy....none of this yellow/red card nonsense they tried....you want fighting troops, no coasters and lay abouts. I went through it, toughened me up. Hard PT in the morning, class room work from late morning until early afternoon, Light PT in the afternoon, more class room work. Tests every 3-4 days. I fully understand that methods must change, but the core must be tough and ready. 18yrs served, 7 tours (4 in the sandy places)
Get the feeling the wheel is being reinvented. Over decade ago you had T.A. Reservist Specialists, who did just two weekends, and fortnight Summer Camp. Example military police specialists were civilian police, combat medics, were civilian paramedics, signal technicians, worked for British Telecom etc. Cheap as chips to run, but got rid of by the bean counters.
This is not an original concept, this is history repeating. Defence shied away from civilian accreditation to prevent people using the armed forces for qualifications (one of its earlier selling points) then leaving at the first opportunity for higher paying civilian work.
Kids leaving school should do at least 6 months military training to give the country an advantage if we need to mobilise for a large military adversary. Also. They could make a decision on a military career. Learn discipline and teamwork. Plus learn some skills. Win win. If you ask me.
All hearing here is less, to do more. Individual super soldiers , over team effort, just sounds like cost cutting the front line for assessors ? Combine the services and work off combined operations , UK defence needs seriously upgrading , spread too thin currently.
Seems like really welcomed news tbh. I think providing people with civilian skills are pre-tested to see if they meet the required standards. Its a wonderful idea.
The real reason is that Leopard 1 and French tanks have armour at the level of APCs. That is, Zaluzhny got 150 tanks less than he needed. Biden's strategy where artillery decides everything has failed because of the saturation of the enemy's REB, GPS signal is jammed and shells fly anywhere. We need Guderian tactics using powerful tank wedges under cover of F16 aircraft. We need 150 tanks Abrams.
I learned more in the army training than the way school taught me at the time 70/80 but completed my B1 assault pioneering but because I was a pte couldn’t teach 😂 crazy
What kind of systems upgrade can be done to Ukraine jet plane's to make them better or different from what they already are? Russia already knows what's in them now, however if this changes and Russia doesn't know about it, even if it isn't more advantageous it would leave Russia not knowing what they are dealing with.
Discipline is the key. You learn as a group and fail as a group. You don't fight as an individual, you fight as a troop, squadron, regiment, brigade. You're all talking out your arses because the modern day recruits can't handle it.
@@TW19567 sounds like you couldn't handle it. RAF as well doing the 5 mile of death. Must have been really hard.... I was sleep deprived during both my tours in Iraq, so I'd say it was good training myself. Funny how most military's around the world regarded the British Army as the best and one to look up too. You have to weed out the week.
Needing to have a job, to join the reserves, severely limits recruitment, need more of a sweden civilian defence force model, but as usual if you'll ever get anything. it will be wrong, nothing like that, 20 years to late, or more, and some D charging a fortune and teaching rubbish.
Give us accommodation something close to Bibby Stockholm for starters. Give us hot water, heating at the correct time of year, how about perks outside the wire. Money off dinners out. How about our service is recognised by the greedy self centered population.
How about concentrating on the basics first, the army is stupidly undermanned and we continue to sleepwalk forward as usual.. How do we expect to even defend the UK let alone take on other tasks. Time to wake up, stop analyzing how training is carried out and start making the job more attractive to potential soldiers, that way you will at least have somebody to train.
How about stop recruiting dross, and how about reviewing the fitness test and remove civilians from our training establishments, they get in the way of delivering robust training and the ability to remove unfit soldiers, getting back to the fitness test, it’s clearly designed to look good but is actually hiding the lowering of standards, I prove I could pass it with a gentle worm up jog, there are people in this army who are embarrassing to stand next to, I’m embarrassing to call myself a British soldier so after years of service I’m leaving, I’m leaving not because I think I’m going to have a better life by doing so neither because it’s time, because I’m embarrassed to serve with the people in the army today, all the best have now left, enjoy being defended by the dross of Britain, good luck to us all if we ever go to war.
I had civilian ptis in 1996 recruit training and they were as good if not better than the regular soldiers. They were all ex army and knew what was needed for both soldier fitness and how to get the best out of trainees. Don't broad brush without thinking what the requirements are.
That's not what they said at all. If you're already joining with certain skills, those will be recognised. If you don't have the skills, they will train you. Did you listen to any of it?
Absolute nonsense! This is exactly why our military is falling apart. Two educated people talking about a subject they think they know but are so far removed from the reality. The military is failing because we are simply employing the wrong type of person. Long gone are the days where the military employed people with the warrior spirit. Who wanted to go to war and fight the Kings enemy. The quality of person coming through the doors are quite simply pathetic at times. We live in an age where the military is just not an attractive proposition for the youngsters and the advertising is directed towards the wrong audience for the sake of quotas and ticking the right diversity boxes. If the military wants to be a world beaters again we need to go back to the rough and tough kids from council estates or broken families. Kids with a rouge nature who seek adventure and have a bit of bite to them. Where fitness comes naturally to them. We need to channel that raw aggression, energy and misguided youth into a keen professional soldiers who is a warrior. Because when all is said and done and you are in that trench fighting for your life they are the MEN who will continue the fight. Ukraine should be a reminder to us all that modern warfare is brutal gutter fighting and having the heart to fight trumps any education, training and technology.
You'll find that the sort of person you are in about can earn 2-3 times as much money working in construction! There's no incentive to join today's army!
All this individualist learning cobblers is just that, cobblers - 3 minutes of waffle steeped in the civilian MBA & educationalist tradition with no comprehensible points articulated and I bet the whole interview was no better. What they were driving at was poor experience caused by grotesque bureacracy stifling the decision making skills of those in the training machine. That's exactly what you get when you let the management types go into civvie street to get "better modern qualifications". Makes you wonder how effective all the posters below would find themselves if their precious civvie qualifications were just recognised willy-nilly and they were let loose into the services on spec.?
In other words, recognise recruits that are coming with a trade or a skill already behind them
That's why they have reservists
This. I applied to join the Royal Engineers when at the time I was a time served Plumber, going in as a Plumber, I’d worked for 10 years as a plumber on building sites. I also had a HNC In Construction. They turned me down because I didn’t have the right GCSE results.
@@Bobbybulsara179Mate, you were over qualified for the instructors! I have been in situations where I had higher qualifications and experience than the OIC. It produces resentment and its bad for morale. Always ask the question, “who taught the instructor, when was the course first set up, when was it reviewed?”. Cheers mate. Harera
As a reservist, I undertook annual camp with lots of interesting training included (for example FIBUA). however afterwards during R&R we chose to do paintballing and I think I learnt more during that 'phase (than during the structured part of the training) I think this was because when you suddenly become more relaxed - your ability to learn increases. By doing the formal teaching phase first you subconsciously absorbed the formal instruction, but the cementing of ideas and consolidation occurs during the relaxed phase. I would definitely recommend including paintballing at the end of any formal infantry training.
Wasn't FIBUA and DIBUA replaced by OBUA twenty or so years ago?
I was (briefly) a TA Engineer reservist. My day job was operating mobile/crawler cranes, yet I was not allowed to operate the army's mobile cranes because I was a POM and not a driver... Having to watch military crane ops in action was painful...
Same! 🤪
Hi, I see that basically nothing much has changed or been learned from past mistakes. We had a huge change in attitudes when Britain dropped National Service and went on to a Professional Volunteer Armed Forces. But the people responsible for the overview were still the same people who were stuck in the dead end jobs prior to being eventually pensioned off. Attitudes to women changed Officially, keeping distance between soldiers and officers took generations i.e. awards for officers and OR’s e.g. MM & MC; QMC Officers could not command and a Lieutenant would command in absence of OC whilst the Quartermaster Commissioned Officer in the rank of Major was bypassed. Foreign born citizens were not commissioned, Gurkha born Officers could not command British soldiers. I could go on quoting from experience of 20 years, but you get the point! I remember talking to my Brigade Major after auditing a military establishment and the Major said to me that they were still using the exact syllabus that he had written twelve years ago after Nam! Its not just the armed forces, the same is happening in our education system. I am nearly on my way out of this life, people feel at ease doing the same, same old! Cheers mate. Harera
Facts 📌📌📌
I see national service coming back as an eventual inevitably, people won't see yet but eventually it will be inescapable.
They could make a decision on a military career, Plus learn some skills.But i have been curious for a while, I intend retiring/working much less in 5 years and keen to know best, how people split their pay, how much of it goes into savings, spendings or investments? I earn up to $180K per year, but nothing to show for it yet
I think providing people with civilian skills are pre-tested to see if they meet the required standards. for someone who needs some catch-up, consider the 80/20 model. Needs and wants / Investments
They were as good if not better than the regular soldiers. There are a lot of people like this. Im 52 and just getting serious about retirement. Its sad because the time to get serious was 20 years ago or even younger.
For me, I'm quite lucky exposed to financial planning at early age, started work at 21 and invested to my 401k through my employer, going forward I purchased first home at 33, unfortunately got laid-off afterwards, amid 2020 covid-outbreak. At once, I hired an advisor to help stay afloat, and as of today, I'm only 25% short of achieving my 7-figure ballpark goal after subsequents investments.
bravo, this is striking! mind sharing info of the advisor guiding you pleas? i'm in dire need of growing my reserve
My advisor is Laura Grace Abels, a renowned figure in portfolio diversity. I recommend researching her further on the web, she's well established with over two decades of experience in her line of work.
There is no replacing practical hands on training. Some of that article might work on the more 'techi' trades but infantry soldiers need the discipline and soldiering skills and that hasn't really changed that much in the last half century (that's a good thing)
Going in as a PTI in the RAF as an already working personal trainer - they wouldn't see my point that phase 2 is already completed on my side. Not to mention the qualification they give is a level 2 (gym instructor) and I'm already a level 3. Oh well, just enjoy the journey.
That's because phase 2 is way more than JUST trade training and there are still hints of 'recruit' training that would resemble phase 1. Stricter rules than battalion, bigger expectation to still act in a similar manner as you would in phase 1 etc.
@@5eyesalliance785 oh I understand there’s a bigger picture. I do understand that the journey just needs to be completed - just was one of those moments that made me think.
My son a RM Cdo PTI is a Gradute in fitness now doing a Masters as well as his piers. I do get your point completely. Great that the military maybe rethinking education and training.
@@TerryBell1968 I wasn’t aware of that, thought it was about phase 2.
How did you get on with that 5 miler of death,I understand if it’s not something you can talk about being special forces
You don't want individuals, you want group units.
Individualss win wars, groups are predictable! the main difference in the war of independence was that despite the American leadership a couple of their military leaders were very capable, whilst the Uk hoped to hold onto the American colonies whilst they beat France, Spain, and the Dutch Republic at the same time (next 3 biggest powers in the world then). Patton or Bradley? Patton was such an individual, whereas Bradley was a coward, who ran from the front at the Battle of bulge, Monty, (mainly) and Patton had to shore up his mistakes, and predictable moves. For which Monty, and Patton recieve very little praise!!
@@thetruthhurts7675 Individuals are disorganised and are always defeated by the organised. This is why you always target officers and command centers first.
@@danielkrcmar5395 Ok I will name two who were defeated, but ultimately ended with their prize. The first individual who even had to fight just to stay alive after his father was killed by the Tartars was one Genghis Khan. He lost a few of his early battles, but had bright idividual generals who turned the tide in his early years. Then when Genghis went on his domination of. Asia he was the individual with the ideas. He fought a constant war on 3 fronts, was never in a position where any of his armys were greater in number than his enemy, and with his unique individual style which was able to totally adapt to not only numbers of enemy, but also to how they fought.
Then the next individual on whom British France was based Richrd the Lionheart. He was also individual in his outlook on battles. He started early fighting his father, the English king, he even with his elder Brother burned Le Mans because his father was holding out there. He won most of his battles on campaign including swinging the tide in the middle east for the Christians, He beat the Muslims in the middle east from which he learnt much of the things he did when fighting the French. He built the most imposing Chateau in France called Gaillard based on what he learned about seiges in the midlle east. In fact it was Richard's idea to ally with the mongols in the first instance to beat the Muslims of the middle east, and make Christian areas much safer!! Those are just two individual leaders. Whereas Richard's Brother John (who relied on his organisation called the Army) LOST France, and after Kublai Khan the empire split into the Hordes, and was never the same again. You see organisations are slow to react, slow to change, where as individuals in a war always make the major difference. See Sun Tsu on the effectiveness of individuals in war. or Von Clausewitz.
Sun Tzu :
“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity” This is about the individual NOT the collective organisation.
Von Clausewitz :
"He argues that war is “subjective,”[IV] “an act of policy,”[V] and “a pulsation of violence.”[VI] Put another way, the nature of war is chaotic, inherently political, and violent. Clausewitz then states that despite war’s “colorful resemblance to a game of chance, all the vicissitudes of its passion, courage, imagination, and enthusiasm it includes are merely its special characteristics.”[VII] In other words, all changes in warfare are those smaller pieces that evolve and interact to make up the character of war." This is also a necessart thought on individuals.
What both are in fact stating is that only the brilliant individual leader can apparently "see through the fog of war," and react as is Necesary, and win through!
This makes sense, I’d be curious as to how well this fits an organisation that might not be used to that sort of flexibility. I applied to join the reserves as an officer when that became available. I had technical skills but wanted to get - from the army - more leadership experience and management skills. My application was declined on an academic basis. My A-Levels weren’t good enough. Firstly, they would have been when I originally got them but more importantly - at this point I had three degrees including a doctorate from Oxford that I had had to submit evidence of.
I didn’t feel upset or insulted - I could see why the organisation would need strong clear decisions and some degree of rigidity. Rules are rules.
I did though decide that I probably wouldn’t have done very well in an organisation that works like that anyway. The army was probably better off without someone who would want to make a decision for myself when there is a clear issue with the standing order or set of guidance. So having listened to this I just wonder how - culturally - the army is likely to respond to that sort of challenge? Is it full of people desperate to do it or will they be pushing water uphill?
I had to wait two years post-graduation to become an officer with a BSc in Nursing.
What was the wait for?@@patrickvennard838
😂
With regards to your last sentence, I'll go with both. Pushing water uphill at the same time, desperately trying to do it.
It's quite a lose ◀️ ▶️ lose situation kind of, if you've gained proper weight academically
Yes for years the Army would not recognise UK Registered Paramedics.
Yes! currently a student paramedic whos looked at the reserves after training but was always turned off from having to start from scratch as a medic
Playing devil's advocate, wouldn't you say some kind of competency test is required.
In the same way, a civilian firefighter may be expected to perform a test or two to prove their skills are up to standards?
@@studentaviator3756 I'm more than happy with that, and would still need to do the training in regards to how they process casualties in the field and the likes. It's more being able to join as a paramedic and doing the relevant role right away rather then spending years going through training you've already done as a civi to get to the same point.
@johnpixie
Yes,
obviously, you should be fast tracked and not be retaught skills you already know. It's such a waste of money and lack of talent utilisation that paramedics had to relearn all these skills. Also, it's so unfair on the recruits
Here a convertsion course would be perfect.
I don't think agency counts for much in a trench. Surely you ask Ukrainian veterans what training benefited them in battle last week, and build your training around what worked for them.
Britain is the ones that have been training the Ukrainians since last year and before the war even started. But we ramped up training with more soldiers quicker.
@@thingstodoinguernseychannelI think they mean, what did we just teach the Ukes that was actually the most useful so we can expand on that for when we train our own boys and girls
Train hard, fight easy....none of this yellow/red card nonsense they tried....you want fighting troops, no coasters and lay abouts. I went through it, toughened me up. Hard PT in the morning, class room work from late morning until early afternoon, Light PT in the afternoon, more class room work. Tests every 3-4 days. I fully understand that methods must change, but the core must be tough and ready. 18yrs served, 7 tours (4 in the sandy places)
Get the feeling the wheel is being reinvented.
Over decade ago you had T.A. Reservist Specialists, who did just two weekends, and fortnight Summer Camp.
Example military police specialists were civilian police, combat medics, were civilian paramedics, signal technicians, worked for British Telecom etc.
Cheap as chips to run, but got rid of by the bean counters.
This is not an original concept, this is history repeating. Defence shied away from civilian accreditation to prevent people using the armed forces for qualifications (one of its earlier selling points) then leaving at the first opportunity for higher paying civilian work.
Kids leaving school should do at least 6 months military training to give the country an advantage if we need to mobilise for a large military adversary. Also. They could make a decision on a military career. Learn discipline and teamwork. Plus learn some skills. Win win. If you ask me.
All hearing here is less, to do more. Individual super soldiers , over team effort, just sounds like cost cutting the front line for assessors ? Combine the services and work off combined operations , UK defence needs seriously upgrading , spread too thin currently.
Seems like really welcomed news tbh. I think providing people with civilian skills are pre-tested to see if they meet the required standards. Its a wonderful idea.
Pay people more! The salary package is about a 1/10th of what it was a generation ago
I join army mariners and I have civi boat tickets and the army still make me do class 3 I feel there missing out on people with more to give back
Should be very Careful that they don’t take out the toughness that traditional training gives if making changes!
The real reason is that Leopard 1 and French tanks have armour at the level of APCs. That is, Zaluzhny got 150 tanks less than he needed.
Biden's strategy where artillery decides everything has failed because of the saturation of the enemy's REB, GPS signal is jammed and shells fly anywhere.
We need Guderian tactics using powerful tank wedges under cover of F16 aircraft.
We need 150 tanks Abrams.
I learned more in the army training than the way school taught me at the time 70/80 but completed my B1 assault pioneering but because I was a pte couldn’t teach 😂 crazy
Doesn’t help when the recruiters for the British army medical don’t have a clue and turn down people who could serve
Gotta give em credit, Brits can definetly fight, ask Goldfinger or Spectre.
Sounds like invest in the individual at the cost of team.
What kind of systems upgrade can be done to Ukraine jet plane's to make them better or different from what they already are? Russia already knows what's in them now, however if this changes and Russia doesn't know about it, even if it isn't more advantageous it would leave Russia not knowing what they are dealing with.
wtf was the Sir, Nick Pope on about in respect to Paul O'Neill's points. Like did he even hear what he said. I heard two different converstations...
Discipline is the key. You learn as a group and fail as a group. You don't fight as an individual, you fight as a troop, squadron, regiment, brigade.
You're all talking out your arses because the modern day recruits can't handle it.
@@TW19567 sounds like you couldn't handle it. RAF as well doing the 5 mile of death. Must have been really hard....
I was sleep deprived during both my tours in Iraq, so I'd say it was good training myself.
Funny how most military's around the world regarded the British Army as the best and one to look up too. You have to weed out the week.
Lots of management buzzwords, not much substance.
Individual online training results in poorer trained people. They’ll skip through it as fast as possible and cuff the test.
Needing to have a job, to join the reserves, severely limits recruitment, need more of a sweden civilian defence force model, but as usual if you'll ever get anything. it will be wrong, nothing like that, 20 years to late, or more, and some D charging a fortune and teaching rubbish.
Its all talk again!
Give us accommodation something close to Bibby Stockholm for starters. Give us hot water, heating at the correct time of year, how about perks outside the wire. Money off dinners out. How about our service is recognised by the greedy self centered population.
How about concentrating on the basics first, the army is stupidly undermanned and we continue to sleepwalk forward as usual.. How do we expect to even defend the UK let alone take on other tasks. Time to wake up, stop analyzing how training is carried out and start making the job more attractive to potential soldiers, that way you will at least have somebody to train.
So far removed from reality.
How about stop recruiting dross, and how about reviewing the fitness test and remove civilians from our training establishments, they get in the way of delivering robust training and the ability to remove unfit soldiers, getting back to the fitness test, it’s clearly designed to look good but is actually hiding the lowering of standards, I prove I could pass it with a gentle worm up jog, there are people in this army who are embarrassing to stand next to, I’m embarrassing to call myself a British soldier so after years of service I’m leaving, I’m leaving not because I think I’m going to have a better life by doing so neither because it’s time, because I’m embarrassed to serve with the people in the army today, all the best have now left, enjoy being defended by the dross of Britain, good luck to us all if we ever go to war.
I had civilian ptis in 1996 recruit training and they were as good if not better than the regular soldiers. They were all ex army and knew what was needed for both soldier fitness and how to get the best out of trainees. Don't broad brush without thinking what the requirements are.
@@Blastoplastify upper body strength
@@Jonesy-0a strong upper body is important, but I think dips would be more appropriate
In short they want you to pay for getting skills, before joining
That's not what they said at all. If you're already joining with certain skills, those will be recognised. If you don't have the skills, they will train you. Did you listen to any of it?
Absolute nonsense! This is exactly why our military is falling apart. Two educated people talking about a subject they think they know but are so far removed from the reality.
The military is failing because we are simply employing the wrong type of person. Long gone are the days where the military employed people with the warrior spirit. Who wanted to go to war and fight the Kings enemy. The quality of person coming through the doors are quite simply pathetic at times. We live in an age where the military is just not an attractive proposition for the youngsters and the advertising is directed towards the wrong audience for the sake of quotas and ticking the right diversity boxes. If the military wants to be a world beaters again we need to go back to the rough and tough kids from council estates or broken families. Kids with a rouge nature who seek adventure and have a bit of bite to them. Where fitness comes naturally to them. We need to channel that raw aggression, energy and misguided youth into a keen professional soldiers who is a warrior. Because when all is said and done and you are in that trench fighting for your life they are the MEN who will continue the fight.
Ukraine should be a reminder to us all that modern warfare is brutal gutter fighting and having the heart to fight trumps any education, training and technology.
Until we have to!!
You'll find that the sort of person you are in about can earn 2-3 times as much money working in construction! There's no incentive to join today's army!
@@garagenigel 100% correct.
All this individualist learning cobblers is just that, cobblers - 3 minutes of waffle steeped in the civilian MBA & educationalist tradition with no comprehensible points articulated and I bet the whole interview was no better. What they were driving at was poor experience caused by grotesque bureacracy stifling the decision making skills of those in the training machine. That's exactly what you get when you let the management types go into civvie street to get "better modern qualifications". Makes you wonder how effective all the posters below would find themselves if their precious civvie qualifications were just recognised willy-nilly and they were let loose into the services on spec.?
That woman with all those medals. For what ?
For exactly same as the blokes who got them.