Can’t stress how important it is to STAY CALM, like the man said. If you’re freaking out about each exercise and stiffening up, your riding is gonna suck. I passed by making myself chill out, and it’s not easy but you can do it. Any day of riding is a good day, remember? So have fun! :)
Exactly how I find myself, even during practicing.. I hate tests and end up shutting down. I have to get off my bike to stretch and take some breaths, calm down so I can focus and go again.
I just started riding on dirt bikes... once I got used to it I found I was able to keep my hands and arms a lot more loose instead of death gripping the bars.... it helped a lot.. went riding some trails yesterday, and it was some of the most fun I've had in my life.
I failed out of mine on the first range day in 1 1/2 hours...couldn't find Neutral, couldn't feel the friction zone, nearly dumped the bike on the ground twice, goggles fogged up to where I couldn't see, and by the time the break between exercises came around I was shaking so badly the instructor had me sign a form asking me not to continue, for safety's sake. It was the first time I'd EVER been in command of a motorcycle myself--no previous experience, unlike the rest of the class. So, my cousin is teaching me now, and when the time comes I'll take the class again.
Ogre Doug I've gotten registered for a beginner rider class at the end of July. This time I should do a lot better. Didn't have enough money to register for another class last year to try again.
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Just to clarify - the current iteration of the MSF course is different to what is described here. Regardless, this explanation of the points system is incorrect. There is NOT a limit of 5 points per exercise. A fail on the skills evaluation is NOT 20 points, it is less than that. As a student please do not focus on points accumulation, rather focus on learning the skills on the range. If you do not pass the first time around please don't think of it as failure. It just means that you need some more practice to become more competent with basic riding skills. Some riding schools provides a free retest of the skills eval so don't sweat it. Safety is #1 for every school and the course is designed to ensure that successful students have at least the basics down before they head out on the road on their own. If you don't get through the skills eval the first time it just means you haven't attained that minimum level yet. Even if you get through, please please please remember that you're only a novice motorcycle rider. Practice and improve your skills on your own - especially quick stops and swerving. It should be easy for anyone to buy a few cones, find an empty parking lot and practice! Old tennis balls cut in half also make great markers in a pinch. Good luck out there! Nick MSF RiderCoach
@@spdrcr60 No, it's not. You're clearly not an MSF RiderCoach and have no idea of the scoring criteria. 🙄 stay within your lane - leave the scoring to us certified, professional coaches
Thank you for explaining so well. It's way less stressful when you know what you're getting into. Taking this course today and tomorrow, hopefully will pass now that I know what I need to do!
Passed this course through Harley’s MSF class. I can’t stress enough how important it is to keep your head up and look where you’re going, I barely hit a cone turning 90 degrees from a stop and it haunts me that I got three points marked off because I knew to look up but I fixated on the cone and surely it costed me
I completely bombed my skills test 3 times, which was 3 points away from passing. First couple times riding a motorcycle. Also was in summer so the heat nearly killed me. My advice to people is never feel ashame to learn something the right way it might take awhile but its worth it. Completed a dream of mine learning how to ride a motorcycle.
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Thank you for being real! A lot of people are terrified of failing. But if it’s worth doing you should at least fail it once 😉 (unless you have no problem at all)
I bombed my first riding skills as well. Test anxiety, and personal pressure on myself, as well looking at dang cones to maneuver. Dang it. Retaking the skills test this coming Monday. Reminding myself "the bike goes where your head goes." And head up, look forward, and peripherals every day leading up to monday. Wish me luck.
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My first course, I was deemed unsafe and encouraged to leave the second day. The second course, I failed with... 32 points. I bought a cheap used 250 and have been practicing everyday, and I've seen such an improvement in my skills. I think for some people this comes very easily, especially if you have any prior experience, but others like me it takes a few times. I have severe performance anxiety, and I pretty much spent most of the class in a low key panic attack. Also to add, I have scoliosis so I have to angle myself in an unusual way to get a tight right turn. But this is my dream, and I won't give up. One thing I *hated* was how close people would get behind you, the one guy couldn't stop in time and would always stop right next to your tire. I was already freaked out, and I kept telling them I would slap them if they got that close to me out in the real world. Luckily, I uh, wasn't there to make friends.
Michelle - keep practicing those skills and then go retake the course. You should sail through. If another student is making you nervous, let a RiderCoach know quietly so they can keep an eye out for specific behavior and address when necessary. We aim to make sure the environment is as stress free for EVERY student. Good luck!
Like many have said, very simplified and detailed as far as what to expect, how you’re evaluated, and how much you really don’t need to stress about this. Thanks brother, taking my final test tomorrow
@@theprodigal7143 It went great! Everyone in my group passed. We had a monsoon happen halfway through our test and they eventually cancelled the last 30% of the test. It wasn’t bad at all. Nerves get to you, more than anything because that’s the one time where everyone is watching you. I did the figure 8s all day long and kept making the turns tighter and tighter with success. During the test, I dropped a leg down on a much bigger figure 8 just due to nerves. Don’t let it stress you out
Thanks for posting this. Last year I tried to do the msf course and completely lost all confidence within 2 hours that I could do this. I had dropped the bike twice, was wobbly when first getting going, couldn't do the maneuvers well, couldn't shift gears well. During the first break I voluntarily removed myself from the class and ran home with my tail between my legs and felt so terrible. The next week I went out and bought a motorcycle off of Craigslist and practiced in a nearby parking lot for a few weekends and got the basics down. Even after all this I was nervous about taking the msf again because I didn't want to look like a dumbass and fail the course on the test but this has given me the confidence to try again.
That’s not unusual. A lot of msf course riders are total newbs and so was I. What threw me off and distracted me for much of skills portion was the clutch, shifter, throttle coordination. It’s best to practice before taking the course to kinda get those down so you can focus on the skills. I actually took the msf course twice. The first time right before Covid when I was about to buy a bike which got delayed once Covid shut everything down for almost two years. The second time was a lot easier. Practice Practice Practice and you’ll be fine in time. I rode around my neighborhood a couple days a week for about a month before I got over the butterflies of going out in traffic on highways as city streets. Haven’t looked back and love every minute of it. Safe riding bro.
First time on a motorcycle this past weekend and passed the test. This video helped ease me before going for my 2nd day. Did awful the first day but aced it the 2nd. Thanks
Thank you so much! I am in vegas and today is my 3rd and last day of the course. I am so nervous as day 2 was my first time on a bike. I clearly need more practice and am so worried about failing today. I stalled a million times yesterday but never dropped the bike. This is good info to keep me out of my head today and just keep pushing forward. Thank you!!
This is a little old but in Oregon you have 5 tests which are basically the same. The only one extra is weaving through a set of cones which can be tricky much more tricky than the stop thing. I have had my endorsement for years but still took the test about 20 years ago when I actually bought my first bike. I have a friend I am working with to get her license so I like to watch these so I can be a better teacher :)
Same here in WA. There is approx. 10 ft from T start to the first cone of the weave in WA state test. Was intimidating, because during the learning part of the class. we were able to have a longer stretch of riding before entering the cone weave.
I’m taking the second class today. I came into the class only learning a little bit about the friction zone and shifting to second gear. I stalled a lot, but overall I did good. Come to find out I was in second gear when I was stalling a lot. Once I fixed that, it improved. Today is my last class and watching this video will help me out. Thank you
I struggled with the U-turn really bad. Put my foot down which automatically gave me 5 points. Ended up passing with a total of 13 points (16 is failing) so just barely passed. Was a great experience overall though
Thank you for including the part about the kick stand being down. I had that exact issue today and thought something was wrong with my bike until I discovered the same issue.
I passed my MSF today. Dropped the bike before the test while in "The Box." Hit the line and probably even went out of the box on the test, but I aced the rest.
Thanks so much for this video Jelly. I had my first day of the MSF course today and although it was my first ever time on a motorcycle, I felt really comfortable and confident, and had lots of fun. Hope I pass the skills test tomorrow!
Great Video. You are correct in that scoring for the 4 Skills Evaluations is a maximum of 20 points total for successful completion. One can accumulate more than 5 points per Skill Eval though. The U-Turn box is a max. of 8 points. Lots of students freak over the box, but it alone will not fail a person. For the 3 re-maiming evaluations one can accumulate a max. of 15 per eval. Score sheets are set to MSF Standards and should be the same nationwide for the MSF-BRC.
I had a bike around 2005 and got out of it. They had to evacuate my office one day back in 2018, and I came home, telling the wife she would ever guess what I did on the way home. Well…it was a used Heritage. Not even with the first bike had I taken a class; thought it would be a good idea now. There was a Returning Rider’s MSF class the next state over. Got caught in a thunderstorm. Arrived wet, having ridden through water over my floorboards on a reclaimed surface mine. I dried waiting for our class to start. Enjoyed it. Used the Heritage for the riding portion. Rode the big bike as well or better than the guys using the little bikes provided. Had a blast. I enjoyed that type of parking lot exercises anyway. Keep telling myself it would be fun to find additional training somewhere.
This helped me pass with a perfect score today! Good job, thank you! One thing they changed (may be state to state), but we didn't have to do a completely figure 8 in the U-turn box for the exam (exercises we did). We just needed to do one U-turn to the left and come to a stop with front tire in a white box. Doesn't matter, I could have done the figure 8 if they wanted; your advice helped calm my nerves!
@@mtrotter325 Good idea! Regardless they have you do the full figure 8 during the exercises so you'll be prepared regardless. My best advice is always look to where you want to turn the bike, your body will do the rest. Don't overthink it and you'll be fine! Not being afraid to lean the bike is also a plus.
I took the MSF class in the mid 90s and thought it was a very good class. I haven't ridden in 25 years. I bought a new bike and the muscle memory had faded but it's coming back. I downloaded the MSF manual and my state's motorcycle guide and will work my way through both of them, and will do the MSF practical exam (and a bit more) in a vacant parking lot.
Taking my class at the end of this month. I'm new to riding, and hopefully I should do good and pass the class, and this video definitely put me at ease because I know what to expect now. Thanks!
Josh, you will do great and have a blast. Your class may do a thing or two different but it is generally what to expect. If you are not subscribed please subscribe! I have a few videos for new riders. Thanks for taking the time to write.
My wife and I just took this test today in Alabama. It was a two day course. The final skills exam was 5 parts in ours, and even though everyone in our class passed, we were only allowed 16 points total. And I received 5 points on the U-Turn exercise just for putting my foot down once. The instructors were good about giving everyone the best possible chance to pass, but our version wasn't nearly this lenient. But we were still glad to see this video beforehand either way.
6 years later, and I just went through my course this past weekend. Same deal, 5 events, 16 points. Everyone passed, but definitely not lenient as this channel's experience.
I passed the u-turn box part with no points. Was the only rider that did. Still got 15 on the rest, but I was a new rider so I was a bit nervous with some of the other skills. I recommend anyone about to take it to get a learners permit and start riding in parking lots first to familiarize yourself with the clutch breaks and throttle. Makes it a lot easier.
I have just done my motorcycle license in Italy. I work in Germany and I know how the test is done here as well. I have to say that this MSF course is really easy..! They test you for super basic skills at max 17mph in a parking lot, with something which looks bit more like a bicycle, after which you are allowed to ride a CB1000R on the streets. Now I understand a bit more why there are so many additional safety and riding classes in the US..!
The concern is that only the msf is mandatory. Im flabbergasted at how easy this is compared to the uk with the cbt, mod1,mod2 in three separate categories
Just took this test last week in NJ. It was a little different than what Jelly explained regarding the points. I am not proud of it but I did get a 20 and pass, however each skill test can be can be worth more than 5 points even if you don't drop the bike or do something dumb. so between the Box, swerve and quick stop, i only received 5 points, however for the Turn skill test I received 15 points. For anyone that might wonder how you can get 15 points on the turn test, it's all about speed and the inside outside inside technique. Following the Slow, Look, Press and Roll is very important. The thing i did wrong was I didn't Roll on my turns and I was slowing down on the turn. Main thing on this test is speed control. Good Luck!
When I took my msf course last year (I was 17 at the time) I was super excited and loved going quick. For one of my test we had to accelerate to I think around 15-20mph and then stop quickly before a given point. My dumbass went about 25 mph then in order to stop in the given distance I had to brake hard. My rear tire locked a bit I slid a bit. Didn't know side or anything kept the bike up fine. Passed with flying colors other than crossing the line by .01 inches on the figure 8 box test and locking my rear. To be fair to me tho I took my msf at a Harley dealership and the bikes there were a pretty decent size. Not some 125cc
I had to ride one of their TINY sportsters and I’m 6’-5”. The instructors apologized to me several times throughout the course because the ergonomics for a guy my size (I’m not fat) were just really bad and made it a lot more difficult being hunched up. I ended up passing but I was sore for a couple of days after. I now ride a cruiser which is soooo much easier. I can even do the box on my 23 year old carb HD softail. It’s kinda fun actually to do that one on your own in an empty parking lot. Practice practice practice. Safe riding!
They did not put you on a ‘tiny sportster’. They put you on a gutless street 500. The last thing they are going to do is put people on a top heavy sportster to learn slow speed maneuvers with. The HD Softail is an easy bike to learn on and ride.
The class itself is a great way to learn proper handling skills-BUT- I took the BRC in a parking lot with markings and lines all through out it-where the instructors set up 2 inch high faded orange and green cones, that under bright sun light are hard to differentiate- especially with a parking lot covered in a variety of multi colored markings(that serve no purpose) which it made it difficult to follow whatever pattern of the course you needed to navigate. I have been riding a 50 cc scooter for nearly 4 years, to and from work.-and recently bought a 150 cc-hence the need for the class. I controlled the scooter I was assigned without any difficulty-but struggled the first hour in seeing the patterns-My instructor at one point screamed at me "Don't you understand English.?" I'm 58, with an associates degree- I've never felt so disrespected.
That sucks when you are so wet behind the ears of riding a motorcycle and an instructor treats you like a kid. Sorry that happened. I would have made a report to the company, etc. About that instructors behavior, and how it is bad to have in a learning environment.
I passed mine today with a 100 percent completion I was shocked when we got back in the class room and he said I didn't mess up at all because the whole time I was completely scared of the u turn
Very well done, informative video. I watched it because a friend of mine was "asked to leave" the MSF course without a refund because he "wasn't getting it" (they failed to teach him). With 35 years of riding to my credit- everything from a Vespa scooter to a gsxr 1100, to my current Moto Guzzi v11 sport- across multiple countries (some driving on the left)- I don't believe that I could pass the figure 8 or the box. What's more, it seems to serve no purpose other than making riders nervous. The only time one would turn that tight at such low speed would be in a parking lot; In which case, there's no reason whatsoever that you couldn't put your foot down. I'm so glad I never had to take this course.
Without a doubt the best RUclips video of how to take/pass the MSF course I've seen. It was well organized; you actually showed all 4 skill tests; and more importantly, you showed how to pass all 4 -- with the caveat that as long as you don't drop the bike and you can pass at least 1 out of the 4 you're going to pass the course. That in itself helped me relax a lot because I start the course on Wednesday (2 days from now), finish it on Sunday, and I've been freaking out a little after watching a lot of the other videos. So many many thanks. (I actually went out today to the test site (a local community college) to check out the layout of the school/classrooms, and also the test area. Of particular attention was "the box". It appears to be 20 feet wide, so since I don't have my scooter yet I measured out 20' on my street and did figure 8's on my sport hybrid bicycle. It was certainly do-able on my bike, and I hope as long as I go slow enough and go as wide as I can at the start of each turn of the figure 8 without going over the line that I should be okay. The rest of the course was a little hard to figure out but your video showed it very well.)
Thank you so much for your comments! Sounds like you are well prepared and believe me, once you are there doing it you will realize that it is a lot easier than it seems. I don't know where you are taking it but keep in mind your class may do some things differently as far as points and things, but you will have no problems passing. They really want you to pass and you should go into it without being nervous. You will do great! Good luck!
You're welcome. I'm taking my test in Maryland. For now I'm only interested in riding a scooter (2015 Yamaha Smax; purchased already but waiting at the dealer until I get my certification) but they make you take the full motorcycle course. At first I was ticked off because you don't have to shift gears on a scooter. But the more I thought about it the more I liked the idea of at least learning how to shift a motorcycle because that opens up my options down the road in case I want to get a 300cc cycle (Honda CBR 300 ABS is looking real appealing to me). And I know that they never require you to get the bike out of 2nd gear so 15-20 mph tops would seem to be about right throughout the whole course. And that's the speed I ride at on my bicycle. So I'm at least somewhat confident I can figure it all out. (And on my bike I'm locked into the clipless pedals and there's no way I can touch flat footed with even one foot on the ground; it's always tippy toe with my right leg at stops. So advantage motorcycle. And I don't have to worry about pedaling -- just twist the throttle.) The thing that I think might take a while to adjust to is that on a bicycle both levers activate the brakes; there's no clutch on the left lever. So I'm pretty sure at first that I'll be expecting them to both be brakes until I get the hang of the left lever being the clutch and the right foot pedal being the rear brake. But they give you 6 hours the first day and I'm not sure how many hours of practice the 2nd day, so that should be enough to adjust. (Both days are 6 hours each but part of the second day is the testing. And then there's 3 hours on Wednesday and 3 hours on Thursday in the classroom.) I'll post back either way. But rest assured your video is a big help.
I wasn't sure how I was going to adjust to having a foot brake either but like anything else, you get used to it real fast. They spend a lot of time on braking because on the motorcycle the front brake is very strong and you have to be careful not to lock it up. You will get plenty of practice. Can't wait to hear how it goes!
Well...I went to the first teaching class last night. No biggie, but of the 24 people in the class at least 18 or more have already ridden motorcycles...some for over 30 years. So when it comes to the riding classes it's definitely not going to be a group of noobie riders, only me and a few others. But I can only focus on what I need to do and learn; I can't worry about anybody else. If they want to take a beginners class with all that experience that's on them. And they're calling for major thunderstorms on Sunday, the test day. But that can change between now and then.
Nice video. Calm and informational unlike most moto vloggers. I'm taking the test tomorrow so this is helpful. Sadly it's supposed to rain for both days. So sad
I'm in the middle of a course thru our local Harley Davidson dealership and our day on the range today was spent in the rain. Nice steady Florida rain. So I can definitely understand why you don't like riding in the rain. Lol
Man, I really enjoyed your personal instructional video. Yesterday, July 24, 2019, I signed up for the course on September 6, here in Alabama. I saved your video because I plan to review it a few times before I take the test. I have a lot of biking experience on electric bikes, lol And I only rode a gas bike while serving in the Marines. For years I have always wanted to ride in Rolling Thunder in DC. You and your up front and personal explantation of the new riders course increased my confidence and lowerd my stress level, lol. I can not visualize what I can expect in September. Good job bro. Thanks.
Jelly I passed! Didn't have to do the box, but I had to do a weave on top of the other stuff you mentioned. Thought I screwed up when I put my foot down during the weave, but I made up for it by aceing the emergency stop. Thanks again for the video! If I ever meet you in person, I owe you a beer.
I am not sure how old this is, but if you get 16 your done. Example if you get 11 in part 1. You fail because 11 exceeds the amount of points your allowed to miss. So in the total box it's an automatic 16. If you drop your bike or stall it more than three times in any of obstacles, or your a safety issue to yourself or others your done.
Just took my test last weekend and showed my wife this video so she could understand what we had to do. Never been on a motorcycle before and I didn't miss any points on my test. Certainly easy if you can understand the controls and you pay attention
+jeff Shannon Thanks Jeff! That is the main reason I went into the MSF course with the intent to make this video the way I made it. I was not able to find exactly what I wanted. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Just finished Day one in NYS. Tomorrow is our skills test. I had trouble with the emergency stop and could not get it right. Thanks to you, I feel confident to pass tomorrow! THANK YOU!
Spend extra time tomorrow on it. You should have time. Thank you for taking the time to let me know how it is going! Good luck tomorrow. You will do great
Now comes the fun! Go into an empty parking lot and practice slow turns and u turns. Practice starting and stopping. Go over to where you took the course after hours and practice on the course itself. That is a great place after hours to work on things you learned in class.
is the new York one the same as this? I'm going for my permit tomorrow but i wanna know what to expect for the test bc I'm anxious lol. trying to get all the info!
Wow, I been looking around youtube for a good video on this subject and I played this one I said to myself...WOW this by far is the best explained video on the MSF course! Thank you, you should have way more subscribers. Anyway I'd like and subscribed. Again thank you !!!
In Maryland you have to do 7 things, same scoring, less than 20 max 5 per test, but obviously, with 7 skills tested that is a potential of 35 possible points. you don't have to do a figure 8, instead you do two separate tests (and I believe they combined them), you start at a stop and have to make a sharp right turn in a 90 degree angle area that is slightly less wide than a traffic lane. then you enter a box, cross diagonally across it and then do a left side U turn at that end. So similar. You also have to do a weave through about cones that are actually not that fare apart (lot of clutch action).
It is but when you start riding on a regular basis you are able to relax and focus on sharpening your skills like counter steering, breaking, slow speed turns and maneuvers and not worrying about the clutch, shifting, and the throttle. I’ve been riding about 18 months now and it gets a lot easier. Just focus, don’t panic, and don’t speed even if your friends do when you are just starting out. Give yourself some time to build your riding skills and you’ll be fine
@@packgrog no. not at all. failed , and instructors didnt give any real coaching, just here you go do this, no real correction, no real help. feel like i wasted an entire weekend to this mess, bikes too small for my body, so my feet fold pegs every start, then the instructor is bitching about looking at feet even though the fucking pegs are folded. not a good experience. not sure if i will try to test again, no bike to practice with, just this bullshit class...
I just had my first day of class today. I'm a beginner, never been in a motorcycle and I only drive automatic. Hardest part for me was finding the friction zone, they almost kicked me out bc I couldn't find it fast enough. I got extremely nervous I could hear my heart beating so fast, it was horrible (but I found it right away) and they let me keep going. Instructors treated me very well tho, people came to me saying I was doing great for being a first timer and even the instructors said so. The more I kept riding it the faster I started picking up things!!! I felt confident (not extremely confident) but I felt a lot better in the afternoon. Hopefully I can pass tomorrow, it would suck to spend another weekend doing the same but who knows!!! nice video.
Legendary Sloth I passed!!!! It went better the second day. We didn’t have to do the figure 8 for the test but they made us do it for practice. But yes, most important thing was that i passed!! I was so excited. I’m sure you will be good :)
Harry Tall brooo I took it today and was sooo nervous! I passed and the instructors said I aced the emergency stop skill,they were awed with their jaws dropped.He also said he was worried because I've never driven a motorcycle before and Ive never driven a car either.In the end I got my 2 wheel endorsement!!
Just took my msf course through OSU today and passed. Was way more nervous than I should of been! Also, my instructor gave my group the answers to our written tests lol it was easy either way. Also, we had 6 skill test instead of four :-|
Not all classes are like this. I did a weekend class, (fri-sun). Friday- we started riding. We spent 6:30-9 learning to ride. Saturday- We spent 7-12 riding, with the test at around 1145. Everyone passed. Saturday - we spent 1-4 doing book work and the written test. Everyone got 100%. We didn't even come in sunday because everyone got 100% on both the riding and written exams. All classes vary and can be majorly different.
Wish I would have watched this before I took my course..I was so nervous but it wasn't that hard. The Box was kind of weird because I've never ridden before, but the course was fun and pretty easy. Good video
Great video. Our MSF test has been updated in 10 years and Michigan. I took a picture of the scoring sheet. You can get max 18 and Max 16 points on the first and second exercises for an autonatic failure after one if not two of thee exercises. There are max 5 items but its for one error type.
There are 4 Evaluations. All comprised of skills practiced during the MSF course. Max points for passing is 20 for the entire Riding Skills Evaluation. A maximum of 10 points may be assessed for any one skills evaluation.So, totally blowing two of the skills evaluations will only have you assessed for a possible 20 or below “Passing Score” for the Skills Evaluations. The only “Immediate Failure” is dropping the motorcycle. If you find 2 wheels aren’t enough, try the 3 wheel course. There are some wicked 3 wheelers out on the market now days. Hope this helps.
Took mine in NE. About the same thing. We had 5 riding skills tests though. 1st was a sharp right turn then U-turns. I also got picked to go first because of riding experience. We had new riders as well. 1 failure in the class. Someone who had never been on a bike before. Good video. Shows what you can expect.
You have really helped me destress a bit. I use a semi automatic scooter myself. (Honda 2020 125c Super Cub). Due to it not being similar to a motorcycle, i had to learn a lot of new things. My class is tomorrow and im stoked to get it all done and over with. The only thing im worried about is my foot to peg coordination is off. So having to kick a stick up and down within 5 seconds will be challenging for me. My Super Cub has 2 sticks instead of the 1 a motorcycle has.
+Paul Brauer woah! thats alot im from illinois and i only had to pay 20 bucks for the course ...im also taking the fall class ....and at the end of the class i get to either keep the 20 or donate it! but good luck man :)
I see this video was posted 8 years ago pre covid happy time, i took the MSF NJ Course in 2021, and it was 2 Days (SAT-SUN) , first half was introductions, paperwork, class work, followed by practical motorcycle stuff, Second day was a quick re cap of first day exercises, Final Practical (riding) and written test and we were sent home by 3 PM. Only 2 ppl who did not make it were surprising the most talkative/ know it all types.
The figure 8 box is the stupidest evaluation ever. What difference does it make if you put your foot down or not? What are we testing here? Parade skills? When do you ever need to do this? Never. Negotiating a decreasing radius turnk from highway speeds would be more pertinent.
sevenrats U turns. They say too putting your foot down increases your chances of breaking an ankle. I agree with you though. Many people have trouble with slow speed stuff, and I believe the majority of accidents happen at pretty low speeds.
To show you have control of the bike at low speeds? In my country these tests are a lot harder, they have to be done on a heavy bike (~600cc), you can't fail any of them and they have to be done twice, otherwise you won't get a licence. We also have to do a ~45 minute ride on public roads with a trailing instructor in varried conditions to demonstrate we are capable of handling real scenarioes. In addition to that we have 10+ hours of obligatory driving lessons. All of that because they don't want unskilled riders on the road, obviously cause that's not safe for them or anyone else.
Also for emergency stop you should be using both front and back break, really should be using both breaks on every stop, but as a general rule it should be 80/20% front to back break, you can stop much faster using both breaks as opposed to just front break
Yeah instinctively people clench the front brake when they have to stop quickly and that leads to a dump most of the time unless you have a newer bike with antilock brakes. My bike is 23 years old so I don’t have that feature and I’ve had two close calls in 18 months were someone in a car cut me off and slammed on their brakes to try and turn right off a 4 lane road. If you feel your backend sliding out from behind you but before you dump the bike you have maybe a second or two to release the front brake and the bike should straighten back out, but you have to react quickly to stop it.
I'm in Maryland and they have a one day course which is what i did. Its an intermediate course for ppl that have been riding for awhile and don't have a license. We did 5 hours on the course and 3 hours in a classroom with a test. They also have a 3 day course for beginner riders.
And after they are done they have to rely on RUclips to figure out "How to (counter) steer a motorcycle" and "How to perform an emergency brake on your motorcycle". So here the US are in the stone age compared to most European countries.
This is exactly, down to every single detail, how it was when I did the MSF BRC to get my US license here in Texas. I had already plenty of riding experience from having a driver's license from back home in Europe, but I still picked up a few valuable lessons on the course. Definitely recommend everyone taking the course instead of doing it on your own, even though getting your license here in the US is laughably easy compared to in most European countries. Great video, I'm sure it has been and will continue to be of great help for people looking to get their M endorsement in the US!
+mannydcbianco I appreciate your kind words! I agree that this course is valuable to people even if they have experience. I am thinking of taking the advanced rider course next year.
Hello Jelly My name is Danny and I am from Ontario Canada in our motorcycle test if you go over 11 points you fail and we have 8 exercises to complete. thank you for posting this video
Here in Florida you must complete a very entertaining online module and take a test to get a certificate. Would you present on the first day of range training. Then you must complete two days of practice before taking a riding test. It was a lot of fun. I just completed it for the second time I took it the first time nine years ago. The only thing that has changed is that there is no classroom, only the online modules and range practice and test.
Our bike license in the UK works kind’a the same.. we do CBT at 16 then 19 you can do your Theroy & A2 license limited to 47bhp then at 24 you can take your module 1 then module 2 to get your full unrestricted bike license.. it costs around £670 to do it all in 5 days course if you do it all in 1 go at 24yrs.. I like your channel dude
Difference being its way stricter with the maneuvers and they take u on the road to see if ur danger to others which a car park cant show. As much as i hate having to go through this process, im sure it reduces accidents
I passed had a blast . Jelly is on point with what he is saying. Even with a group it's still AT YOUR OWN PACE so Pay attention and make sure you have FUN. The Clutch is your best friend
One of the best MSF course walkthroughs I've seen on RUclips. Start my 4-day, 2-weekend MSF course starting next weekend here in PA. I bought a bike about 2 months ago so I've been able to do some riding. Looking forward to getting my license. Thanks for the video.
Jelly Yea, PA offers courses ranging from 2 to 4 days. So I have 2 Thursday from 6:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. days and 2 Saturday 8:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. days. I'll be looking forward to that last Saturday haha.
@@channlerregan8222 Yes. You'll go over everything that you need do in order to pass the Skills Test. I think if you do any form of riding prior to taking BRC, you should do fine.
@@NaijaBoiTellEm should I be concerned that I never ridden a motorcycle well the last time I rode a bicycle was when I was like 9 but with like training wheels idk if that counts
That one looked allright, was it simplified since ? I looked at other videos and it looked easier ! In europe the test is a little bit harder ! You have to do everything in one go : It starts with one hard slow section (you need to complete it in 14s or more, it's the hardest part to learn), then a full stop into a U turn, then the emergency braking (35mph to 0), a U turn with a passenger (you stop so your passenger gets down), slalom at 35mph, u turn, and then 35mph avoid. You can put your foot down 3times, but any foot down above 3 is considered a mistake, and you're only allowed 2 mistakes. Crossing a white line = elimination Stopping the bike outside of the regular stops = elimination Hitting an obstacle = elimination doing the slow course faster than 14s = elimination (doing it between 14 and 16s = 1 mistake, and 16s or slower = good) going slower than 35mph for the fast speed tests = elimination You will have a 2nd try, but you won't if you crash the bike or take a fall.
Can’t stress how important it is to STAY CALM, like the man said. If you’re freaking out about each exercise and stiffening up, your riding is gonna suck. I passed by making myself chill out, and it’s not easy but you can do it. Any day of riding is a good day, remember? So have fun! :)
Exactly how I find myself, even during practicing.. I hate tests and end up shutting down. I have to get off my bike to stretch and take some breaths, calm down so I can focus and go again.
I just started riding on dirt bikes... once I got used to it I found I was able to keep my hands and arms a lot more loose instead of death gripping the bars.... it helped a lot.. went riding some trails yesterday, and it was some of the most fun I've had in my life.
I failed out of mine on the first range day in 1 1/2 hours...couldn't find Neutral, couldn't feel the friction zone, nearly dumped the bike on the ground twice, goggles fogged up to where I couldn't see, and by the time the break between exercises came around I was shaking so badly the instructor had me sign a form asking me not to continue, for safety's sake. It was the first time I'd EVER been in command of a motorcycle myself--no previous experience, unlike the rest of the class. So, my cousin is teaching me now, and when the time comes I'll take the class again.
+Alonzo Branson How are you coming along now bro?
Ogre Doug I've gotten registered for a beginner rider class at the end of July. This time I should do a lot better. Didn't have enough money to register for another class last year to try again.
Alonzo Branson
Well good luck to you man, just relax and focus on what you gotta do to ride. Where do you live. The course is free where I live
Ogre Doug
Ogre, last year it was $199, but this year it's $75. I live in Indiana, and am taking the class through ABATE of Indiana.
Alonzo Branson well good luck man. I wonder why some states charge and others don't
very simple and detailed explanation, watching this video made me feel a lot less nervous about getting my motorcycle license ! thank uu !!
I'm glad to hear that. Thank you and good luck!
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Just to clarify - the current iteration of the MSF course is different to what is described here. Regardless, this explanation of the points system is incorrect. There is NOT a limit of 5 points per exercise. A fail on the skills evaluation is NOT 20 points, it is less than that.
As a student please do not focus on points accumulation, rather focus on learning the skills on the range. If you do not pass the first time around please don't think of it as failure. It just means that you need some more practice to become more competent with basic riding skills. Some riding schools provides a free retest of the skills eval so don't sweat it. Safety is #1 for every school and the course is designed to ensure that successful students have at least the basics down before they head out on the road on their own. If you don't get through the skills eval the first time it just means you haven't attained that minimum level yet.
Even if you get through, please please please remember that you're only a novice motorcycle rider. Practice and improve your skills on your own - especially quick stops and swerving. It should be easy for anyone to buy a few cones, find an empty parking lot and practice! Old tennis balls cut in half also make great markers in a pinch.
Good luck out there!
Nick
MSF RiderCoach
It’s 20 points total for passing. Anything above that is a non-passing score. MSF Coach should know that.
You’re stupid shut up
Different states different rules.. Illinois was 12 points was fail. 3 stalls fail. Fall off fail. Its just different different places.
@@spdrcr60 No, it's not. You're clearly not an MSF RiderCoach and have no idea of the scoring criteria. 🙄 stay within your lane - leave the scoring to us certified, professional coaches
@@mx.e7972 Also wrong. If it's MSF, then that's the standard. There are NO exceptions
Thank you for explaining so well. It's way less stressful when you know what you're getting into. Taking this course today and tomorrow, hopefully will pass now that I know what I need to do!
Howd it go?
@@cyrusbastankhah576 Must of failed🤣😂
@@terrywatts1060 and you must have failed your English class. Jk
@@dublethetruble4620 😂🤣
How did it go???? Lol
Passed this course through Harley’s MSF class. I can’t stress enough how important it is to keep your head up and look where you’re going, I barely hit a cone turning 90 degrees from a stop and it haunts me that I got three points marked off because I knew to look up but I fixated on the cone and surely it costed me
I completely bombed my skills test 3 times, which was 3 points away from passing. First couple times riding a motorcycle. Also was in summer so the heat nearly killed me. My advice to people is never feel ashame to learn something the right way it might take awhile but its worth it. Completed a dream of mine learning how to ride a motorcycle.
Check out “Be the boss of your motorcycle “ RUclips channel. I guarantee you will learn something valuable from watching his videos. I recommend them to everyone who rides. Regardless of your skill level you will learn something new by watching his videos.
Thank you for being real! A lot of people are terrified of failing. But if it’s worth doing you should at least fail it once 😉 (unless you have no problem at all)
I bombed my first riding skills as well. Test anxiety, and personal pressure on myself, as well looking at dang cones to maneuver. Dang it. Retaking the skills test this coming Monday. Reminding myself "the bike goes where your head goes." And head up, look forward, and peripherals every day leading up to monday. Wish me luck.
@@allenmicheal8134 you got it no problem!!! All you gotta do is pass it once
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Took the class and passed. It helped me get my nerves on the bike in check and confidence way up. Now I am really comfortable on the bike now.
I passed the course on my first go but watching this video gets me back in that scary place I was in when I took it 😭😰😨
At least you never have to do it again! Unless you want to ;-)
My first course, I was deemed unsafe and encouraged to leave the second day. The second course, I failed with... 32 points. I bought a cheap used 250 and have been practicing everyday, and I've seen such an improvement in my skills. I think for some people this comes very easily, especially if you have any prior experience, but others like me it takes a few times. I have severe performance anxiety, and I pretty much spent most of the class in a low key panic attack. Also to add, I have scoliosis so I have to angle myself in an unusual way to get a tight right turn. But this is my dream, and I won't give up.
One thing I *hated* was how close people would get behind you, the one guy couldn't stop in time and would always stop right next to your tire. I was already freaked out, and I kept telling them I would slap them if they got that close to me out in the real world. Luckily, I uh, wasn't there to make friends.
Michelle - keep practicing those skills and then go retake the course. You should sail through. If another student is making you nervous, let a RiderCoach know quietly so they can keep an eye out for specific behavior and address when necessary. We aim to make sure the environment is as stress free for EVERY student. Good luck!
Did you eventually get your license?
yeah im sure telling strangers youre going to slap them really helped your situation
@@adamhicks24 you're a troll get the fuck out of this comment section. This was a touching story sp stop hating
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Like many have said, very simplified and detailed as far as what to expect, how you’re evaluated, and how much you really don’t need to stress about this. Thanks brother, taking my final test tomorrow
How did it go?
@@theprodigal7143 It went great! Everyone in my group passed. We had a monsoon happen halfway through our test and they eventually cancelled the last 30% of the test. It wasn’t bad at all. Nerves get to you, more than anything because that’s the one time where everyone is watching you. I did the figure 8s all day long and kept making the turns tighter and tighter with success. During the test, I dropped a leg down on a much bigger figure 8 just due to nerves. Don’t let it stress you out
Thanks for posting this. Last year I tried to do the msf course and completely lost all confidence within 2 hours that I could do this. I had dropped the bike twice, was wobbly when first getting going, couldn't do the maneuvers well, couldn't shift gears well. During the first break I voluntarily removed myself from the class and ran home with my tail between my legs and felt so terrible. The next week I went out and bought a motorcycle off of Craigslist and practiced in a nearby parking lot for a few weekends and got the basics down. Even after all this I was nervous about taking the msf again because I didn't want to look like a dumbass and fail the course on the test but this has given me the confidence to try again.
Did you pass?
That’s not unusual. A lot of msf course riders are total newbs and so was I. What threw me off and distracted me for much of skills portion was the clutch, shifter, throttle coordination. It’s best to practice before taking the course to kinda get those down so you can focus on the skills. I actually took the msf course twice. The first time right before Covid when I was about to buy a bike which got delayed once Covid shut everything down for almost two years. The second time was a lot easier. Practice Practice Practice and you’ll be fine in time. I rode around my neighborhood a couple days a week for about a month before I got over the butterflies of going out in traffic on highways as city streets. Haven’t looked back and love every minute of it. Safe riding bro.
First time on a motorcycle this past weekend and passed the test. This video helped ease me before going for my 2nd day. Did awful the first day but aced it the 2nd. Thanks
Good to hear! Get as much experience as you can
I’m here before my second day too. Needed something to ease my nerves before the riding portion 😂
took the same exact test, he explained it very well, great video.
+zico falcao Thanks!!
Thank you so much! I am in vegas and today is my 3rd and last day of the course. I am so nervous as day 2 was my first time on a bike. I clearly need more practice and am so worried about failing today. I stalled a million times yesterday but never dropped the bike. This is good info to keep me out of my head today and just keep pushing forward. Thank you!!
Michelle Desoto good luck!
Good luck hope it went well for you. I did mine last weekend to.
Did you pass? Do you ride now?
I just took the msf course with no experience and passed. Highly recommend it and really listen to your instructors and be confident!
This is a little old but in Oregon you have 5 tests which are basically the same. The only one extra is weaving through a set of cones which can be tricky much more tricky than the stop thing. I have had my endorsement for years but still took the test about 20 years ago when I actually bought my first bike. I have a friend I am working with to get her license so I like to watch these so I can be a better teacher :)
Same here in WA. There is approx. 10 ft from T start to the first cone of the weave in WA state test. Was intimidating, because during the learning part of the class. we were able to have a longer stretch of riding before entering the cone weave.
I’m taking the second class today. I came into the class only learning a little bit about the friction zone and shifting to second gear. I stalled a lot, but overall I did good. Come to find out I was in second gear when I was stalling a lot. Once I fixed that, it improved. Today is my last class and watching this video will help me out. Thank you
I struggled with the U-turn really bad. Put my foot down which automatically gave me 5 points. Ended up passing with a total of 13 points (16 is failing) so just barely passed. Was a great experience overall though
Thank you for including the part about the kick stand being down. I had that exact issue today and thought something was wrong with my bike until I discovered the same issue.
I passed my MSF today. Dropped the bike before the test while in "The Box." Hit the line and probably even went out of the box on the test, but I aced the rest.
Thanks so much for this video Jelly. I had my first day of the MSF course today and although it was my first ever time on a motorcycle, I felt really comfortable and confident, and had lots of fun. Hope I pass the skills test tomorrow!
Great Video. You are correct in that scoring for the 4 Skills Evaluations is a maximum of 20 points total for successful completion. One can accumulate more than 5 points per Skill Eval though. The U-Turn box is a max. of 8 points. Lots of students freak over the box, but it alone will not fail a person. For the 3 re-maiming evaluations one can accumulate a max. of 15 per eval. Score sheets are set to MSF Standards and should be the same nationwide for the MSF-BRC.
Thank you for the info and commenting!!
I had a bike around 2005 and got out of it. They had to evacuate my office one day back in 2018, and I came home, telling the wife she would ever guess what I did on the way home. Well…it was a used Heritage. Not even with the first bike had I taken a class; thought it would be a good idea now. There was a Returning Rider’s MSF class the next state over. Got caught in a thunderstorm. Arrived wet, having ridden through water over my floorboards on a reclaimed surface mine. I dried waiting for our class to start. Enjoyed it. Used the Heritage for the riding portion. Rode the big bike as well or better than the guys using the little bikes provided. Had a blast. I enjoyed that type of parking lot exercises anyway. Keep telling myself it would be fun to find additional training somewhere.
This helped me pass with a perfect score today! Good job, thank you! One thing they changed (may be state to state), but we didn't have to do a completely figure 8 in the U-turn box for the exam (exercises we did). We just needed to do one U-turn to the left and come to a stop with front tire in a white box. Doesn't matter, I could have done the figure 8 if they wanted; your advice helped calm my nerves!
I have no idea if my test will have a figure 8 or just a u-turn. I'm practicing both.
@@mtrotter325 Good idea! Regardless they have you do the full figure 8 during the exercises so you'll be prepared regardless. My best advice is always look to where you want to turn the bike, your body will do the rest. Don't overthink it and you'll be fine! Not being afraid to lean the bike is also a plus.
Oh man this video is a major relief.
Just finished my first day out in the parking lot and I was trippin on how hard the test was.
HospitalmanMikey the fun stuff is the next couple of days
I took the MSF class in the mid 90s and thought it was a very good class. I haven't ridden in 25 years. I bought a new bike and the muscle memory had faded but it's coming back. I downloaded the MSF manual and my state's motorcycle guide and will work my way through both of them, and will do the MSF practical exam (and a bit more) in a vacant parking lot.
Knocked out everything today, in the cold rain too. Super excited!
Taking my class at the end of this month. I'm new to riding, and hopefully I should do good and pass the class, and this video definitely put me at ease because I know what to expect now. Thanks!
Josh, you will do great and have a blast. Your class may do a thing or two different but it is generally what to expect. If you are not subscribed please subscribe! I have a few videos for new riders. Thanks for taking the time to write.
My wife and I just took this test today in Alabama. It was a two day course. The final skills exam was 5 parts in ours, and even though everyone in our class passed, we were only allowed 16 points total. And I received 5 points on the U-Turn exercise just for putting my foot down once. The instructors were good about giving everyone the best possible chance to pass, but our version wasn't nearly this lenient. But we were still glad to see this video beforehand either way.
Glad to hear everyone did pass. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and to watch the video
6 years later, and I just went through my course this past weekend. Same deal, 5 events, 16 points. Everyone passed, but definitely not lenient as this channel's experience.
I passed the u-turn box part with no points. Was the only rider that did. Still got 15 on the rest, but I was a new rider so I was a bit nervous with some of the other skills. I recommend anyone about to take it to get a learners permit and start riding in parking lots first to familiarize yourself with the clutch breaks and throttle. Makes it a lot easier.
I have just done my motorcycle license in Italy. I work in Germany and I know how the test is done here as well. I have to say that this MSF course is really easy..! They test you for super basic skills at max 17mph in a parking lot, with something which looks bit more like a bicycle, after which you are allowed to ride a CB1000R on the streets. Now I understand a bit more why there are so many additional safety and riding classes in the US..!
The concern is that only the msf is mandatory. Im flabbergasted at how easy this is compared to the uk with the cbt, mod1,mod2 in three separate categories
Just took this test last week in NJ. It was a little different than what Jelly explained regarding the points. I am not proud of it but I did get a 20 and pass, however each skill test can be can be worth more than 5 points even if you don't drop the bike or do something dumb. so between the Box, swerve and quick stop, i only received 5 points, however for the Turn skill test I received 15 points. For anyone that might wonder how you can get 15 points on the turn test, it's all about speed and the inside outside inside technique. Following the Slow, Look, Press and Roll is very important. The thing i did wrong was I didn't Roll on my turns and I was slowing down on the turn. Main thing on this test is speed control. Good Luck!
Congrats on passing! Every place is a little different I guess but at least you passed
When I took my msf course last year (I was 17 at the time) I was super excited and loved going quick. For one of my test we had to accelerate to I think around 15-20mph and then stop quickly before a given point. My dumbass went about 25 mph then in order to stop in the given distance I had to brake hard. My rear tire locked a bit I slid a bit. Didn't know side or anything kept the bike up fine. Passed with flying colors other than crossing the line by .01 inches on the figure 8 box test and locking my rear. To be fair to me tho I took my msf at a Harley dealership and the bikes there were a pretty decent size. Not some 125cc
Harley dealership gave me an r3 to take my test
I had to ride one of their TINY sportsters and I’m 6’-5”. The instructors apologized to me several times throughout the course because the ergonomics for a guy my size (I’m not fat) were just really bad and made it a lot more difficult being hunched up. I ended up passing but I was sore for a couple of days after. I now ride a cruiser which is soooo much easier. I can even do the box on my 23 year old carb HD softail. It’s kinda fun actually to do that one on your own in an empty parking lot. Practice practice practice. Safe riding!
They did not put you on a ‘tiny sportster’. They put you on a gutless street 500. The last thing they are going to do is put people on a top heavy sportster to learn slow speed maneuvers with. The HD Softail is an easy bike to learn on and ride.
The class itself is a great way to learn proper handling skills-BUT- I took the BRC in a parking lot with markings and lines all through out it-where the instructors set up 2 inch high faded orange and green cones, that under bright sun light are hard to differentiate- especially with a parking lot covered in a variety of multi colored markings(that serve no purpose) which it made it difficult to follow whatever pattern of the course you needed to navigate. I have been riding a 50 cc scooter for nearly 4 years, to and from work.-and recently bought a 150 cc-hence the need for the class. I controlled the scooter I was assigned without any difficulty-but struggled the first hour in seeing the patterns-My instructor at one point screamed at me "Don't you understand English.?" I'm 58, with an associates degree- I've never felt so disrespected.
That sucks when you are so wet behind the ears of riding a motorcycle and an instructor treats you like a kid. Sorry that happened. I would have made a report to the company, etc. About that instructors behavior, and how it is bad to have in a learning environment.
I passed mine today with a 100 percent completion I was shocked when we got back in the class room and he said I didn't mess up at all because the whole time I was completely scared of the u turn
Very well done, informative video.
I watched it because a friend of mine was "asked to leave" the MSF course without a refund because he "wasn't getting it" (they failed to teach him).
With 35 years of riding to my credit- everything from a Vespa scooter to a gsxr 1100, to my current Moto Guzzi v11 sport- across multiple countries (some driving on the left)- I don't believe that I could pass the figure 8 or the box. What's more, it seems to serve no purpose other than making riders nervous. The only time one would turn that tight at such low speed would be in a parking lot; In which case, there's no reason whatsoever that you couldn't put your foot down.
I'm so glad I never had to take this course.
Without a doubt the best RUclips video of how to take/pass the MSF course I've seen. It was well organized; you actually showed all 4 skill tests; and more importantly, you showed how to pass all 4 -- with the caveat that as long as you don't drop the bike and you can pass at least 1 out of the 4 you're going to pass the course. That in itself helped me relax a lot because I start the course on Wednesday (2 days from now), finish it on Sunday, and I've been freaking out a little after watching a lot of the other videos. So many many thanks.
(I actually went out today to the test site (a local community college) to check out the layout of the school/classrooms, and also the test area. Of particular attention was "the box". It appears to be 20 feet wide, so since I don't have my scooter yet I measured out 20' on my street and did figure 8's on my sport hybrid bicycle. It was certainly do-able on my bike, and I hope as long as I go slow enough and go as wide as I can at the start of each turn of the figure 8 without going over the line that I should be okay. The rest of the course was a little hard to figure out but your video showed it very well.)
Thank you so much for your comments! Sounds like you are well prepared and believe me, once you are there doing it you will realize that it is a lot easier than it seems. I don't know where you are taking it but keep in mind your class may do some things differently as far as points and things, but you will have no problems passing. They really want you to pass and you should go into it without being nervous. You will do great! Good luck!
You're welcome.
I'm taking my test in Maryland. For now I'm only interested in riding a scooter (2015 Yamaha Smax; purchased already but waiting at the dealer until I get my certification) but they make you take the full motorcycle course. At first I was ticked off because you don't have to shift gears on a scooter. But the more I thought about it the more I liked the idea of at least learning how to shift a motorcycle because that opens up my options down the road in case I want to get a 300cc cycle (Honda CBR 300 ABS is looking real appealing to me).
And I know that they never require you to get the bike out of 2nd gear so 15-20 mph tops would seem to be about right throughout the whole course. And that's the speed I ride at on my bicycle. So I'm at least somewhat confident I can figure it all out. (And on my bike I'm locked into the clipless pedals and there's no way I can touch flat footed with even one foot on the ground; it's always tippy toe with my right leg at stops. So advantage motorcycle. And I don't have to worry about pedaling -- just twist the throttle.)
The thing that I think might take a while to adjust to is that on a bicycle both levers activate the brakes; there's no clutch on the left lever. So I'm pretty sure at first that I'll be expecting them to both be brakes until I get the hang of the left lever being the clutch and the right foot pedal being the rear brake. But they give you 6 hours the first day and I'm not sure how many hours of practice the 2nd day, so that should be enough to adjust. (Both days are 6 hours each but part of the second day is the testing. And then there's 3 hours on Wednesday and 3 hours on Thursday in the classroom.) I'll post back either way. But rest assured your video is a big help.
I wasn't sure how I was going to adjust to having a foot brake either but like anything else, you get used to it real fast. They spend a lot of time on braking because on the motorcycle the front brake is very strong and you have to be careful not to lock it up. You will get plenty of practice. Can't wait to hear how it goes!
I'm stoked!
Well...I went to the first teaching class last night. No biggie, but of the 24 people in the class at least 18 or more have already ridden motorcycles...some for over 30 years. So when it comes to the riding classes it's definitely not going to be a group of noobie riders, only me and a few others. But I can only focus on what I need to do and learn; I can't worry about anybody else. If they want to take a beginners class with all that experience that's on them.
And they're calling for major thunderstorms on Sunday, the test day. But that can change between now and then.
Just found this video. Taking the course on March 28-29. $289 in Florida. Great video, great explanation. Thank you!!
Nice video. Calm and informational unlike most moto vloggers. I'm taking the test tomorrow so this is helpful. Sadly it's supposed to rain for both days. So sad
Charter Con thanks for the kind words. Good luck! I hate riding in the rain.
Jelly currently awake at 5:45 AM, here's to hoping the rain lets up
I'm in the middle of a course thru our local Harley Davidson dealership and our day on the range today was spent in the rain. Nice steady Florida rain. So I can definitely understand why you don't like riding in the rain. Lol
How did it go?
Man, I really enjoyed your personal instructional video. Yesterday, July 24, 2019, I signed up for the course on September 6, here in Alabama. I saved your video because I plan to review it a few times before I take the test. I have a lot of biking experience on electric bikes, lol And I only rode a gas bike while serving in the Marines. For years I have always wanted to ride in Rolling Thunder in DC. You and your up front and personal explantation of the new riders course increased my confidence and lowerd my stress level, lol. I can not visualize what I can expect in September. Good job bro. Thanks.
Thank you so much! Have fun with it. it is very easy. with your experience you will do great
Thanks for the tips! I've got the MSF testing portion tomorrow, so these tips definitely help.
derkasan Good Luck! Let me know how it went. You'll do great
Jelly I passed! Didn't have to do the box, but I had to do a weave on top of the other stuff you mentioned. Thought I screwed up when I put my foot down during the weave, but I made up for it by aceing the emergency stop.
Thanks again for the video! If I ever meet you in person, I owe you a beer.
derkasan Awesome! Glad you didn't have to do that stupid box and that you passed! I'm glad the video helped and hope you subscribe. Be safe
Dude, the best video ever on the MSF test - very well detailed and through - thanks
I am not sure how old this is, but if you get 16 your done. Example if you get 11 in part 1. You fail because 11 exceeds the amount of points your allowed to miss. So in the total box it's an automatic 16. If you drop your bike or stall it more than three times in any of obstacles, or your a safety issue to yourself or others your done.
Texas is a two day class, 16 1/2 hour total class time over the two days.
When I took mine this passed weekend it was 16 points to fail. Maybe that a texas thing.
@Crazed Monk ... that's also how it is in Texas. You don't have to take the MSF course..
Just took my test last weekend and showed my wife this video so she could understand what we had to do. Never been on a motorcycle before and I didn't miss any points on my test. Certainly easy if you can understand the controls and you pay attention
Nathaniel Simmons I thought they did a good job making you feel comfortable no matter what your experience level. Thanks for the comment
I really like how you did this video I looked through so many videos and they don't explain anything and they never show how they did the maneuvers
+jeff Shannon Thanks Jeff! That is the main reason I went into the MSF course with the intent to make this video the way I made it. I was not able to find exactly what I wanted. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
This was so helpful! Thank you! I am taking my exam this weekend.
+Freddy Fmunoz Awesome! Some courses do one or two things different but they are basically the same. Let me know how you do
This was an awesome video. It has made me feel more confident in taking the class. I loved how well everything was explained in detail. Thank you
I loved my course,my instructor was cool and didn’t give a fuck. I passed my riding/written test.
Just finished Day one in NYS. Tomorrow is our skills test. I had trouble with the emergency stop and could not get it right. Thanks to you, I feel confident to pass tomorrow! THANK YOU!
Spend extra time tomorrow on it. You should have time. Thank you for taking the time to let me know how it is going! Good luck tomorrow. You will do great
I passed! I still plan on practicing before jumping onto the road but this class taught me a lot for being a new rider!
Now comes the fun! Go into an empty parking lot and practice slow turns and u turns. Practice starting and stopping. Go over to where you took the course after hours and practice on the course itself. That is a great place after hours to work on things you learned in class.
is the new York one the same as this? I'm going for my permit tomorrow but i wanna know what to expect for the test bc I'm anxious lol. trying to get all the info!
+TheMMObro Not sure about NY. This is a general idea of what to expect but the points and some other things may be a bit different. Good luck!
Wow, I been looking around youtube for a good video on this subject and I played this one I said to myself...WOW this by far is the best explained video on the MSF course! Thank you, you should have way more subscribers. Anyway I'd like and subscribed. Again thank you !!!
JR BORIQUA7 Thank you so much! I'm looking forward to making new videos once it warms up. Stay tuned. Thanks for taking the time to comment
In Maryland you have to do 7 things, same scoring, less than 20 max 5 per test, but obviously, with 7 skills tested that is a potential of 35 possible points. you don't have to do a figure 8, instead you do two separate tests (and I believe they combined them), you start at a stop and have to make a sharp right turn in a 90 degree angle area that is slightly less wide than a traffic lane. then you enter a box, cross diagonally across it and then do a left side U turn at that end. So similar. You also have to do a weave through about cones that are actually not that fare apart (lot of clutch action).
Thank you for this video, this really calmed my nerves down. I am taking the course this weekend!
Just passed mine today. Super stoked. Didn't do perfectly but I did pretty good considering I've never been on a bike before.
i passed the course last week... I'm 18 and it's by FAR the most stressful thing I've ever done
It is but when you start riding on a regular basis you are able to relax and focus on sharpening your skills like counter steering, breaking, slow speed turns and maneuvers and not worrying about the clutch, shifting, and the throttle. I’ve been riding about 18 months now and it gets a lot easier. Just focus, don’t panic, and don’t speed even if your friends do when you are just starting out. Give yourself some time to build your riding skills and you’ll be fine
I Just passed the msf course without any riding experience at all!!!! I think everyone should take this class
Thank you for the point explanation. Been an introvert myself im pretty nervous of group classes. Im taking mine in a month Thanks!
Hello fellow introvert
@@dublethetruble4620 hello! I actually made it and have been riding since!
not sure about the points system but the tst is exactly the same here in PA. Just completed mine last weekend. this is a very useful video
Rob Lochard Thanks for commenting
Watching this video you put a lot of my fears to rest. Pretty much impossible to fail the test
Glad to hear! Thanks
I'll be taking the PA course in 2 weeks, but have never ridden a motorcycle. Do they give total newbies enough practice time to get the hang of it?
@@packgrog no. not at all. failed , and instructors didnt give any real coaching, just here you go do this, no real correction, no real help. feel like i wasted an entire weekend to this mess, bikes too small for my body, so my feet fold pegs every start, then the instructor is bitching about looking at feet even though the fucking pegs are folded. not a good experience. not sure if i will try to test again, no bike to practice with, just this bullshit class...
I just had my first day of class today. I'm a beginner, never been in a motorcycle and I only drive automatic. Hardest part for me was finding the friction zone, they almost kicked me out bc I couldn't find it fast enough. I got extremely nervous I could hear my heart beating so fast, it was horrible (but I found it right away) and they let me keep going. Instructors treated me very well tho, people came to me saying I was doing great for being a first timer and even the instructors said so. The more I kept riding it the faster I started picking up things!!! I felt confident (not extremely confident) but I felt a lot better in the afternoon. Hopefully I can pass tomorrow, it would suck to spend another weekend doing the same but who knows!!! nice video.
Harry Tall how did your test go?! I take mines tomorrow
Legendary Sloth I passed!!!! It went better the second day. We didn’t have to do the figure 8 for the test but they made us do it for practice. But yes, most important thing was that i passed!! I was so excited. I’m sure you will be good :)
Harry Tall brooo I took it today and was sooo nervous! I passed and the instructors said I aced the emergency stop skill,they were awed with their jaws dropped.He also said he was worried because I've never driven a motorcycle before and Ive never driven a car either.In the end I got my 2 wheel endorsement!!
Legendary Sloth that’s awesome. Just keep practicing !!!! Be safe and congrats :)
Just took my msf course through OSU today and passed. Was way more nervous than I should of been! Also, my instructor gave my group the answers to our written tests lol it was easy either way. Also, we had 6 skill test instead of four :-|
I had 5 in Texas
Not all classes are like this.
I did a weekend class, (fri-sun).
Friday- we started riding. We spent 6:30-9 learning to ride.
Saturday- We spent 7-12 riding, with the test at around 1145. Everyone passed.
Saturday - we spent 1-4 doing book work and the written test. Everyone got 100%.
We didn't even come in sunday because everyone got 100% on both the riding and written exams. All classes vary and can be majorly different.
Wish I would have watched this before I took my course..I was so nervous but it wasn't that hard. The Box was kind of weird because I've never ridden before, but the course was fun and pretty easy. Good video
Cooper Anderson thanks!
Great video. Our MSF test has been updated in 10 years and Michigan. I took a picture of the scoring sheet. You can get max 18 and Max 16 points on the first and second exercises for an autonatic failure after one if not two of thee exercises. There are max 5 items but its for one error type.
5 failed when i took my course. I had a score of 1
There are 4 Evaluations. All comprised of skills practiced during the MSF course. Max points for passing is 20 for the entire Riding Skills Evaluation. A maximum of 10 points may be assessed for any one skills evaluation.So, totally blowing two of the skills evaluations will only have you assessed for a possible 20 or below “Passing Score” for the Skills Evaluations. The only “Immediate Failure” is dropping the motorcycle. If you find 2 wheels aren’t enough, try the 3 wheel course. There are some wicked 3 wheelers out on the market now days. Hope this helps.
Jelly you are the best man thank you a lot.
You're welcome!
Took mine in NE. About the same thing. We had 5 riding skills tests though. 1st was a sharp right turn then U-turns. I also got picked to go first because of riding experience. We had new riders as well. 1 failure in the class. Someone who had never been on a bike before. Good video. Shows what you can expect.
Just passed in florida
You have really helped me destress a bit. I use a semi automatic scooter myself. (Honda 2020 125c Super Cub). Due to it not being similar to a motorcycle, i had to learn a lot of new things. My class is tomorrow and im stoked to get it all done and over with. The only thing im worried about is my foot to peg coordination is off. So having to kick a stick up and down within 5 seconds will be challenging for me. My Super Cub has 2 sticks instead of the 1 a motorcycle has.
The class I'm planning on taking in the fall is a MSF class, and it is $299. This class is in MA
Paul Brauer Good Luck! Tell me how is goes
+Paul Brauer woah! thats alot im from illinois and i only had to pay 20 bucks for the course ...im also taking the fall class ....and at the end of the class i get to either keep the 20 or donate it! but good luck man :)
SkyWolffy17 That's Crazy! It should be like that everywhere though. It would allow everyone to get to do the course which I think is important.
+Jelly RIGHT! tell me about lol XD
SkyWolffy17
where did u take your course?
I see this video was posted 8 years ago pre covid happy time, i took the MSF NJ Course in 2021, and it was 2 Days (SAT-SUN) , first half was introductions, paperwork, class work, followed by practical motorcycle stuff, Second day was a quick re cap of first day exercises, Final Practical (riding) and written test and we were sent home by 3 PM. Only 2 ppl who did not make it were surprising the most talkative/ know it all types.
When my sister took the class they said something like one person in 300 fails. There was a chick in her class that failed. I don't know what she did.
Thank you for posting this, by far the best explanation I’ve seen on RUclips and this eases some nerves for sure!!
The figure 8 box is the stupidest evaluation ever. What difference does it make if you put your foot down or not? What are we testing here? Parade skills? When do you ever need to do this? Never.
Negotiating a decreasing radius turnk from highway speeds would be more pertinent.
sevenrats U turns.
They say too putting your foot down increases your chances of breaking an ankle.
I agree with you though.
Many people have trouble with slow speed stuff, and I believe the majority of accidents happen at pretty low speeds.
To show you have control of the bike at low speeds?
In my country these tests are a lot harder, they have to be done on a heavy bike (~600cc), you can't fail any of them and they have to be done twice, otherwise you won't get a licence. We also have to do a ~45 minute ride on public roads with a trailing instructor in varried conditions to demonstrate we are capable of handling real scenarioes. In addition to that we have 10+ hours of obligatory driving lessons. All of that because they don't want unskilled riders on the road, obviously cause that's not safe for them or anyone else.
Litego what country is this?
Norway. A nasty side effect is that the motorcycle license costs a minimum of 3000 USD.
Litego: Dont forget the obligatory trackday :)
Also for emergency stop you should be using both front and back break, really should be using both breaks on every stop, but as a general rule it should be 80/20% front to back break, you can stop much faster using both breaks as opposed to just front break
Yeah instinctively people clench the front brake when they have to stop quickly and that leads to a dump most of the time unless you have a newer bike with antilock brakes. My bike is 23 years old so I don’t have that feature and I’ve had two close calls in 18 months were someone in a car cut me off and slammed on their brakes to try and turn right off a 4 lane road. If you feel your backend sliding out from behind you but before you dump the bike you have maybe a second or two to release the front brake and the bike should straighten back out, but you have to react quickly to stop it.
mine can give you 15 points for anticipating the stop in the fast braking, and you fail at 20 points total
I'm in Maryland and they have a one day course which is what i did. Its an intermediate course for ppl that have been riding for awhile and don't have a license. We did 5 hours on the course and 3 hours in a classroom with a test. They also have a 3 day course for beginner riders.
And after they are done they have to rely on RUclips to figure out "How to (counter) steer a motorcycle" and "How to perform an emergency brake on your motorcycle". So here the US are in the stone age compared to most European countries.
Absolutely, I'm amazed that you can wobble around a car park and buy a 200mph motorcycle. Jaw droppingly bad.
This is exactly, down to every single detail, how it was when I did the MSF BRC to get my US license here in Texas. I had already plenty of riding experience from having a driver's license from back home in Europe, but I still picked up a few valuable lessons on the course. Definitely recommend everyone taking the course instead of doing it on your own, even though getting your license here in the US is laughably easy compared to in most European countries.
Great video, I'm sure it has been and will continue to be of great help for people looking to get their M endorsement in the US!
+mannydcbianco I appreciate your kind words! I agree that this course is valuable to people even if they have experience. I am thinking of taking the advanced rider course next year.
Is anyone going to mention the guys head at 5:18?
Jakecycle lol. I never noticed. Who knows what was going on there.. Nice catch!
Very informative video. I'm taking my class in June. Not so worried after looking at this . Thanks!
Mark Upshaw thanks for taking the time to comment. Good luck!
pop a wheelie Hahahahahaha
Hello Jelly
My name is Danny and I am from Ontario Canada in our motorcycle test if you go over 11 points you fail and we have 8 exercises to complete. thank you for posting this video
I'm really curious if there is any young people that attend this course? I'm 19 and nervous about being the only young one lol):
***** well over in NC when i took the class there was a 16 year old taking the class he struggled a little but passed the class
Harvey O. Mercado
damn, that really makes me feel better haha, I actually convinced one of my friends to go with me. Ill be fine I hope haha.
+ludwig lemus You should be fine, I can't say anything yet, but I'm taking the class soon, and I'm 17.
THESKINIMIN1234 haha thanks for the reply I actually passed it last week.
How was it?
Thank you for starting off with the reassurance that the test is very easy!
Thanks for this video! It helped me get over my fears! I was a lil worried ❤
Here in Florida you must complete a very entertaining online module and take a test to get a certificate. Would you present on the first day of range training. Then you must complete two days of practice before taking a riding test. It was a lot of fun. I just completed it for the second time I took it the first time nine years ago. The only thing that has changed is that there is no classroom, only the online modules and range practice and test.
Our bike license in the UK works kind’a the same.. we do CBT at 16 then 19 you can do your Theroy & A2 license limited to 47bhp then at 24 you can take your module 1 then module 2 to get your full unrestricted bike license..
it costs around £670 to do it all in 5 days course if you do it all in 1 go at 24yrs..
I like your channel dude
Difference being its way stricter with the maneuvers and they take u on the road to see if ur danger to others which a car park cant show. As much as i hate having to go through this process, im sure it reduces accidents
Everybody in my class passed, however the test was much more difficult than his. Mine was also in NJ
This is awesome. You have definitely helped calmed my nerves As a first time rider.
Nice detailed explanation. Nice for new riders who are terrified of taking the test and can practice techniques before the class.
Yes Best explanation, this is what I did yesterday on Suzuki TU250....2 days in TX
Awesome!
Damn i was just recommended this video out of nowhere after i just was looking up the cost of bikes in my area... those algorithms are good!!
Wow I did not know that about the point system. My last day is tomorrow, knowing this makes me feel much better.
Dude thank you for posting this!!! I have my test tomorrow, and your video made me feel way less worried about it! Awesome explanations and tips man!
Esai Barron Thanks! Good luck
I passed had a blast . Jelly is on point with what he is saying. Even with a group it's still AT YOUR OWN PACE so Pay attention and make sure you have FUN. The Clutch is your best friend
Awesome!!
One of the best MSF course walkthroughs I've seen on RUclips. Start my 4-day, 2-weekend MSF course starting next weekend here in PA. I bought a bike about 2 months ago so I've been able to do some riding. Looking forward to getting my license. Thanks for the video.
NijaBoiTellEm thank you for taking the time to write. Wow I didn’t know PA was 4 days.
Jelly Yea, PA offers courses ranging from 2 to 4 days. So I have 2 Thursday from 6:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. days and 2 Saturday 8:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. days. I'll be looking forward to that last Saturday haha.
Hello new rider here just got my permit few days ago and I’m gonna register for the course is the 4th day the day you take the skills test?
@@channlerregan8222 Yes. You'll go over everything that you need do in order to pass the Skills Test. I think if you do any form of riding prior to taking BRC, you should do fine.
@@NaijaBoiTellEm should I be concerned that I never ridden a motorcycle well the last time I rode a bicycle was when I was like 9 but with like training wheels idk if that counts
That one looked allright, was it simplified since ? I looked at other videos and it looked easier !
In europe the test is a little bit harder ! You have to do everything in one go :
It starts with one hard slow section (you need to complete it in 14s or more, it's the hardest part to learn), then a full stop into a U turn, then the emergency braking (35mph to 0), a U turn with a passenger (you stop so your passenger gets down), slalom at 35mph, u turn, and then 35mph avoid.
You can put your foot down 3times, but any foot down above 3 is considered a mistake, and you're only allowed 2 mistakes.
Crossing a white line = elimination
Stopping the bike outside of the regular stops = elimination
Hitting an obstacle = elimination
doing the slow course faster than 14s = elimination (doing it between 14 and 16s = 1 mistake, and 16s or slower = good)
going slower than 35mph for the fast speed tests = elimination
You will have a 2nd try, but you won't if you crash the bike or take a fall.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video! Very thorough and helpful!