Evening Todd! Thanks for such a detailed video. How hard would you say changing both belts and the water pump would be with a couple of jack stands and the correct timing tools in my driveway? I'm a sparks by trade and have some practical knowledge and have just purchased a 2015, 75k "1.4 Multiair TB Alfa Romeo Gulietta QV-Line" and it doesn't show this being done in the service history so thought I could tackle it, saving some money, gaining some exsperiance and the peace of mind knowing it wasn't attempted with sharpie marks by a garage. Is this the correct order of operation: 1) Remove the battery and the air Intake (to make room around the vacuum pump). 2) Jack the bottom of the engine to unload it slightly and place a jackstand for support. Where is a good place to put the jack stand and the jack to prevent cracking the case? 3) Remove the engine mount, freeing the area around the belts. 4) Remove tension on the serpentine belt and then remove it from the crank pulley. 5) Remove the crank pulley and install the locking tool by rotating the crank until the tool aligns with the bolt post before tightening it in place. 6) Remove the vacuum pump and install the holding plate (I assume that it will align correctly first try now as the crank is already locked in the correct position?). 7) Remove the tensioner and the timing belt and loosen the cam sprocket (Whilst holding tension on the cam sprocket with an external tool to prevent snapping the cam rod). 8) Remove the water pump with a container below to capture any excess coolant (I assume I don't need to drain the coolant reservoir or the radiator to do this? / This isn't going to all come rushing out?). 9) Install a new water pump with a bead of liquid gasket around the perimeter after cleaning the mounting services with a plastic scraper. 10) Install the new timing belt and tensioner, over-tensioning it slightly past the mark to allow for the tensioner to spring back, at this point the cam sprocket will also rotate slightly taking up slack in the new timing belt? 11) Torque down the cam sprocket (Whilst holding tension on the cam sprocket with an external tool to prevent snapping the cam rod). 12) Remove both timing tools and turn the engine manually twice and then check the tension is still correct. Am i listening for strange noises? weird grinding? how will I know if it's wrong? 13) If the tension is still correct reinstall other components, remove the jack stand and jack , and after waiting a little while for the battery to charge the system (To not upset the Alfa ecu) start the engine. I hope this all correct? If i go to install the holding plate and it doesn't align (Even though the crank is locked it the correct position) what do I do? does that mean the engines timing is slightly off in this hypothetical scenario? (even though the engine runs fine at the moment). Correcting me and any extra advice would be so much appreciated Todd, I hope to hear from you soon!
Oh also I plan on changing all the disks & pads and brake fluid as well as engine oil, Oil filter, Multiair Strainer/filter, Air filter, pollen filter and spark plugs. Regarding the transmission fluid, it looks like a massive pain to get to and I believe this engine doesn't have a dipstick to check the quality, when do you normally change it and should i do that also? Any help with all above or advice on servicing it for a fresh start for my ownership will be much appreciated and thanks again!
I imagine that they are probably similar. Shouldn't have any issues as long as you use the tools. You'll just have to get the front cover and make sure you support the engine if any mounts are being removed. Other than that, just follow the steps in the video and that should get you there. Thanks for watching!!
@@ststst981 I didn't end up doing it myself unfortunately. As I weighed up the risks and the lack of information i could obtain despite trying to write out my full understanding of the job on the very few videos showing the job and asking in forums. I can see if i can find the other video i commented on. I'm sorry i can't be more useful
Bought a 13 1.4 from my kids mother she was urning on a road from a stop and th timing belt slipped iv searched everywhere for answers about having the crank and cam in line without the crank being out of time any advice?
@@paycheckmonster well when i popped the hood to do the timing job i had to cut the belt becuse when i spun the cam over by hand it wouldnt engage the crank so i cut it and im not sure if i have the crank out of time or not. i know its possible to have the rank out of time and im not sure what the correct position is for the crank. when the car is locked down all the pistons are in the middle of the bore but what piston is supposed to be coming up for the compression stroke?
A job like this.. what am I looking to spend? My belt has oil all over it and the timing belt is being ate up I’m guessing the camshaft seal needs to be replace along with a new timing belt
@@paycheckmonster thank you Sir I appreciate your feedback Quick question What would your guess be if my timing belt is deteriorating in size right now it’s about 1 inch wide Seems likes it’s about to slip (It’s parked not driving it now) The timing belt is wet because of the oil from the camshaft seal
Why do you have to loosen the tip pulley if by the time you take the belt off you can rotate the bottom pulley, sincronize it with the top one and then put the belt back on.
The cam sprocket is not indexed to the camshaft. Meaning the sprocket can move freely when the bolt is loosened. The only way to get a true and proper fit is to use the special tools to lock the camshaft in place, lock the crank sprocket and install the belt. Once everything is set and true, then you can tighten down the cam sprocket. This vehicle was brought to my shop after someone tried doing it themselves. The video shows how far off they were.
@@paycheckmonster so even if you do the timing belt first time since factory install you still need to loosen the cam sprocket? it wont be aligned with the bottom pulley?
You get the crank tool lined up and bolted to lock the crank in. The cam tool should then go on and lock the cam. If the cam locking plate doesn't line up then you need to take the cam tool and crank tool off again spin the engine around one more time and check again.
Not on this one. A lot of Fords do it that way. The crank pulley is keyed and that's how you can use the special tool to align everything. The tool is also indexed with a pin to the crank pulley so it only goes on one way. Thanks for watching!!
@@paycheckmonster i aligned the tool on tha crank to the point where i can screw the bolt, but the plate doesnt align right on the bolts when i put it on the cam
@@pedrowizar28 So your adjustment happens at the camshaft sprocket. That free spins on the camshaft until you tighten the cam bolt. Both timing tools have to be installed then you get your timing belt put on and tighten everything up. Use a spanner wrench to hold the camshaft while loosening and tightening the bolt.
@@paycheckmonster okay so i spin crank to the point that the lock plate aligns to cam and i loosen the cam bolt so i can align the crank , thats when i can install belt and tighten everything up
So the vehicle ran fine and had enough power. The problem was just that however tried to service it just got in over there head. Didn't have the tools and didn't get it back in time. Luckily it worked out for this customer but could have ended up with engine damage. Thanks for watching!!
i have a 2013 500 Abarth all stock. My daily driver. Exact same motor. Mine is a lot of fun. 100,000 miles. Basic maintenance is fairly easy. Anything like this is not for the novice, though, especially in the fiat. THERE IS VERY LITTLE SPACE UNDER THE HOOD. No room for error. All I've done on my own is adjusting the turbo waste gate, changing the coils, and spark plugs. Anything else under the hood related to the engine itself, I have someone qualified do it. Regarding your "POS" concern, it is cheaply made. A lot of plastic. Chrysler really cut corners bringing Fiat to the US. Check forums about all the basic things that will break, malfunction, or go wrong. But If you can overlook the flaws, it is loads of fun when maintained properly.
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Evening Todd! Thanks for such a detailed video. How hard would you say changing both belts and the water pump would be with a couple of jack stands and the correct timing tools in my driveway? I'm a sparks by trade and have some practical knowledge and have just purchased a 2015, 75k "1.4 Multiair TB Alfa Romeo Gulietta QV-Line" and it doesn't show this being done in the service history so thought I could tackle it, saving some money, gaining some exsperiance and the peace of mind knowing it wasn't attempted with sharpie marks by a garage. Is this the correct order of operation:
1) Remove the battery and the air Intake (to make room around the vacuum pump).
2) Jack the bottom of the engine to unload it slightly and place a jackstand for support. Where is a good place to put the jack stand and the jack to prevent cracking the case?
3) Remove the engine mount, freeing the area around the belts.
4) Remove tension on the serpentine belt and then remove it from the crank pulley.
5) Remove the crank pulley and install the locking tool by rotating the crank until the tool aligns with the bolt post before tightening it in place.
6) Remove the vacuum pump and install the holding plate (I assume that it will align correctly first try now as the crank is already locked in the correct position?).
7) Remove the tensioner and the timing belt and loosen the cam sprocket (Whilst holding tension on the cam sprocket with an external tool to prevent snapping the cam rod).
8) Remove the water pump with a container below to capture any excess coolant (I assume I don't need to drain the coolant reservoir or the radiator to do this? / This isn't going to all come rushing out?).
9) Install a new water pump with a bead of liquid gasket around the perimeter after cleaning the mounting services with a plastic scraper.
10) Install the new timing belt and tensioner, over-tensioning it slightly past the mark to allow for the tensioner to spring back, at this point the cam sprocket will also rotate slightly taking up slack in the new timing belt?
11) Torque down the cam sprocket (Whilst holding tension on the cam sprocket with an external tool to prevent snapping the cam rod).
12) Remove both timing tools and turn the engine manually twice and then check the tension is still correct. Am i listening for strange noises? weird grinding? how will I know if it's wrong?
13) If the tension is still correct reinstall other components, remove the jack stand and jack , and after waiting a little while for the battery to charge the system (To not upset the Alfa ecu) start the engine.
I hope this all correct? If i go to install the holding plate and it doesn't align (Even though the crank is locked it the correct position) what do I do? does that mean the engines timing is slightly off in this hypothetical scenario? (even though the engine runs fine at the moment). Correcting me and any extra advice would be so much appreciated Todd, I hope to hear from you soon!
Oh also I plan on changing all the disks & pads and brake fluid as well as engine oil, Oil filter, Multiair Strainer/filter, Air filter, pollen filter and spark plugs. Regarding the transmission fluid, it looks like a massive pain to get to and I believe this engine doesn't have a dipstick to check the quality, when do you normally change it and should i do that also? Any help with all above or advice on servicing it for a fresh start for my ownership will be much appreciated and thanks again!
I imagine that they are probably similar. Shouldn't have any issues as long as you use the tools. You'll just have to get the front cover and make sure you support the engine if any mounts are being removed. Other than that, just follow the steps in the video and that should get you there. Thanks for watching!!
Thank you!@@paycheckmonster
@@GARR0N how did it go? im about to do this job myself
@@ststst981 I didn't end up doing it myself unfortunately. As I weighed up the risks and the lack of information i could obtain despite trying to write out my full understanding of the job on the very few videos showing the job and asking in forums. I can see if i can find the other video i commented on. I'm sorry i can't be more useful
Bought a 13 1.4 from my kids mother she was urning on a road from a stop and th timing belt slipped iv searched everywhere for answers about having the crank and cam in line without the crank being out of time any advice?
Not really following what your saying. You will need the tool to check for proper cam to crank phase. Thanks for watching. Hopefully it helps.
@@paycheckmonster well when i popped the hood to do the timing job i had to cut the belt becuse when i spun the cam over by hand it wouldnt engage the crank so i cut it and im not sure if i have the crank out of time or not. i know its possible to have the rank out of time and im not sure what the correct position is for the crank. when the car is locked down all the pistons are in the middle of the bore but what piston is supposed to be coming up for the compression stroke?
Great video man thanks
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
So when pulling the tool to the lock position, should it be top dead center in cylinder one
All the pistons will be in line mid way up the cylinders. Lock the crank then the camshaft and break the tensioner loose.
A job like this.. what am I looking to spend? My belt has oil all over it and the timing belt is being ate up
I’m guessing the camshaft seal needs to be replace along with a new timing belt
It depends on the area your in and shop you take it to. Hard to say. This job was about $600
@@paycheckmonster thank you Sir I appreciate your feedback
Quick question
What would your guess be if my timing belt is deteriorating in size right now it’s about 1 inch wide
Seems likes it’s about to slip
(It’s parked not driving it now)
The timing belt is wet because of the oil from the camshaft seal
@@indomable561 The oil leak is causing it. Need to get that fixed for sure.
Why do you have to loosen the tip pulley if by the time you take the belt off you can rotate the bottom pulley, sincronize it with the top one and then put the belt back on.
The cam sprocket is not indexed to the camshaft. Meaning the sprocket can move freely when the bolt is loosened. The only way to get a true and proper fit is to use the special tools to lock the camshaft in place, lock the crank sprocket and install the belt. Once everything is set and true, then you can tighten down the cam sprocket. This vehicle was brought to my shop after someone tried doing it themselves. The video shows how far off they were.
@@paycheckmonster so even if you do the timing belt first time since factory install you still need to loosen the cam sprocket? it wont be aligned with the bottom pulley?
@@paycheckmonster nevermind i see that you still need to loosen the sprocket to get proper tension when installing the tensioner
Nice, Thanks.
So cam goes in time first then the crank ?
You get the crank tool lined up and bolted to lock the crank in. The cam tool should then go on and lock the cam. If the cam locking plate doesn't line up then you need to take the cam tool and crank tool off again spin the engine around one more time and check again.
doesnt that pulley spin and always change position?
Not on this one. A lot of Fords do it that way. The crank pulley is keyed and that's how you can use the special tool to align everything. The tool is also indexed with a pin to the crank pulley so it only goes on one way. Thanks for watching!!
@@paycheckmonster okay so that means my timing is also wrong , cause i put on the that timing tool and is also pointing the wrong direction
@@paycheckmonster i aligned the tool on tha crank to the point where i can screw the bolt, but the plate doesnt align right on the bolts when i put it on the cam
@@pedrowizar28 So your adjustment happens at the camshaft sprocket. That free spins on the camshaft until you tighten the cam bolt. Both timing tools have to be installed then you get your timing belt put on and tighten everything up. Use a spanner wrench to hold the camshaft while loosening and tightening the bolt.
@@paycheckmonster okay so i spin crank to the point that the lock plate aligns to cam and i loosen the cam bolt so i can align the crank , thats when i can install belt and tighten everything up
So is this Fiat a POS not worth the purchase? I probably should stay away and not buy the 1.4L turbo🤔😕
I had many neons
So the vehicle ran fine and had enough power. The problem was just that however tried to service it just got in over there head. Didn't have the tools and didn't get it back in time. Luckily it worked out for this customer but could have ended up with engine damage. Thanks for watching!!
i have a 2013 500 Abarth all stock. My daily driver. Exact same motor. Mine is a lot of fun. 100,000 miles. Basic maintenance is fairly easy. Anything like this is not for the novice, though, especially in the fiat. THERE IS VERY LITTLE SPACE UNDER THE HOOD. No room for error. All I've done on my own is adjusting the turbo waste gate, changing the coils, and spark plugs. Anything else under the hood related to the engine itself, I have someone qualified do it. Regarding your "POS" concern, it is cheaply made. A lot of plastic. Chrysler really cut corners bringing Fiat to the US. Check forums about all the basic things that will break, malfunction, or go wrong. But If you can overlook the flaws, it is loads of fun when maintained properly.
@@Ben-ij7lz Thanks for watching!!