Shooting with the cheap .22 I bought is what actually got me interested in shooting at longer ranges lol. I'm currently looking for a decent rifle that won't cost an arm and a leg to put a good bit of rounds through. One of my local stores has a 6.5 Creedmor bolt gun for around $350, but at around $45 for a box of 20 rounds is rediculous. For my purposes at least, I know they have a use.
@@MuffinMammoth yeah I was thinking of a .22 rifle and handgun. I've heard heritage makes heritage makes great budget single action revolvers, I was thinking of getting one of their 250 dollar revolvers that come with adjustable sights and interchangeable cylinders That being said I don't know about many .22 calibre rifles so I'd need to look more into that
@@Ekkaisara I don't know much about Heritige, so I can't really help you there. Do you have any .22 rifles at all? If so, I'd recommend a Ruger 10/22 first. They're great rifles, and there's a huge aftermarket for them. Also, there's a major difference between .22 Long Rifle, and .22 Winchester Magnum Round. The .22WMR is pretty much twice the velocity as a .22LR.
Thanks for this video series!! I just graduated from an AR-10/AR-308 to a Bergara HMR Pro in 6.5. I'm aiming to be able to shoot to 800-1,000yds, and this channel has helped me in that goal.
The first and most economical item you can find is a mentor that can show you, not only what you need but what you DON'T need. Starting with a 22Lr will show you much.
It doesn't matter what gun you use if you don't practice proper technique it won't matter. Breathing and trigger squeeze is the most important. I have taught a lot of kids how to shot. The best thing is to start with a kid that has never shot at all. If they only no good habits they will never have bad habits. Start with a .22 LR for a while. Ear protection is a must. Always be patient with them and make it fun.
kesleycottrell, EXACTLY. I wish more had your knowledge. Properly Fitting ear muffs ars so important. If they touch the stock they are too big, they do make kids size ear muffs. 9 out of 10 adults think a .22LR doesn't damage hearing, Wrong. It culminated. Thanks. ☆
I went from a pellet gun to a 22lr to a 243 win to a 308 to a 6.5 creedmoor to a 338 win to a 338 lapua to a 30.378 weatherby. Each has its capabilities and downfalls. I would have to say I enjoyed the 6.5 creedmoor the best
I really liked this guide vs alot of others. I think it is definitely valuable for new shooters and has some good considerations that a lot of other people don't talk about it! Keep it up
I like your video. You are being honest. Long range shooting wasn't my intentions. But fell into it by chance. Bought my first rifle as a deer gun and first left hand bolt I could get even used under a $1000 bucks. Mind you this was 1996 and things are worse now. But I got a savage 110L in 7mm rem mag. I've used her and burnt the barrel up over the years. Looking you redo this rifle but until then I have my 300win and my 25-06 along with my savage mkII 22lr that does everything I need.
The .223 is ideal for Long-Range Shooting Training, for a multitude or reasons, but especially as shot from a match conditioned iron sight AR-15 A4, because that platform/cartridge demands extraordinary Marksmanship development to get good results at Long-Range and when such marksmanship development comes to fruition the shooter will do better than others shooting from any Long-Range platform/cartridge. Yet, no matter the action type, or caliber, here's what's important about any rifle taken to the 800-to-1000-yard Long-Range Firing Line: The barrel must have sufficient length and have a fast enough rifling twist to produce the sort of velocity/spin needed to get the bullet to 1000 yards nose-on. To support a definitive and uniform trajectory, the barrel must be properly bored, chambered, and rifled, as well as be stiff enough to remain straight when made hot from multiple firings. 2. Trigger mechanics and stock’s pistol grip ergonomics should support smooth trigger control. 3. Stock should be unitized to rifle’s action to support shooter’s control of rifle. 4. The stock must fit shooter in prone position for proper sight alignment, as well as permit recognition of a muscularly relaxed natural point of aim. 5. Sights need elevation adjustment range to permit zeroing to 1000 yards and be scaled to ¼ MOA or finer to permit precise zeroing. For competitions which allow a scope, magnification from about 10 to 20 power will satisfy all aiming needs. 6. A match conditioned equivalent of the as issued iron sight M16-A2 or A4 rifle satisfies all long range rifle requirements, promoting marksmanship better than alternative platforms, since good results from it requires greater awareness for everything important to good shooting than other platforms. Now, aspiring long range shooters who are just getting into it may have a perception that good results are all about a high-power rifle with a high magnification scope and match grade ammunition. This mindset is understandable yet unrealistic since the match conditioning of equipment is only a small portion of what’s important to good shooting; and, when such equipment is used by an untrained shooter, the match conditioning serves only as a substitute for marksmanship when shooting at short range, where comprehensive marksmanship skills are not required for good results. This reality is proven In Long Range Service Rifle Competition where each shooter totes equipment to the firing line as similar to others as peas in a pod; yet, while some shooters on the firing line will post Master Class scores, others will shoot poorly. To do better than poorly, shooters should first recognize the fact that, unless the rifle is broken, the bullet will ALWAYS go in the direction the barrel is pointed. This means that when the bullet does not go where aimed it’s not about the gun being suspect; but instead, it’s likely the shooter’s aim was disturbed, the sights were not properly aligned, or the sights were not correctly adjusted for distance, wind, and weather conditions. Since this sort of shot misplacement is caused by shooter error, rather than an inadequate gun, sights, or ammunition, the shooter should reorient the mindset from emphasis on equipment to focus on the principles of marksmanship and the skills which support properly pointing the rifle. A novice can get off to a good start with it all by simply getting some basic rifle marksmanship training from a qualified instructor, perhaps, through participation in a CMP authorized M1 Garand Clinic hosted by a local shooting club affiliated with the Civilian Marksmanship Program. The United States Army Marksmanship Unit also hosts a marksmanship training exercise for U.S. Citizens at Camp Perry, Ohio called Small Arms Firing School. At this annual 3-day July event students get training from champion shooters on everything there is to know about good shooting. Creds: NRA Long Range High Master, US Distinguished Rifleman, CMP-USAMU certified Military Rifle Instructor.
Best read i've had in a lonmg time, very detailed, and very straightforward and true. Thank you so much for the insight, and anyone looking for some of the thought processes and beginer points, look no further.
what about mil scopes? I ask because .1 mil comes out to .36" and I am not aware of them being finer than that. maybe there is but I've never heard of one. or is it going to be something along the lines of just don't use mils
@@wades623 a mil scaled reticle supported by a range card is an easy means to range target distance as well as serve a bullet drop compensation function but elevation and windage adjustment in MOA will get a better no-wind zero. Thing is today’s scopes are not marketed that way so if you see objects in yards or inches get MOA/MOA if you see things as meters or millimeters get mil/mil
I've been out to 1100 yd with A Remington model 700 308. I've also been out to 800 yd with Remington in 223. And I've been out to 1100 yd with a Remington in 243. My 243 is A Remington 783 with a 26" heavy barrel. I love a good challenge. I've been using monstrum scopes For the money they're pretty good scopes I have two 6x24-50s FFP So far no problems with the monstrum brand. I gave a round $300 for each scope.
223/556 4-600mt. 308/7.62 6-800+mt The challenge for both these round is to consistently hit their mark at their maximum effective ranges! The 308, if you do your part, is quite capable of reaching out to 1000mt and beyond (if not already acquainted have a look at “Mark and Sam after work” ) probably the best channel for all things ELR, imho of course😂 Many thanks for the start of this new series, will be following you every step of the way. Big thumbs up from across the pond in deepest Dorset 👍
Just getting into this long range game. Nice to see a channel from Canada, so I know you're under the same constraints that I am! Subbed a couple of videos ago (yes, I am a binge watcher when I find a channel I enjoy). Thanks for the videos and cheers from southern Alberta.
I've always heard the best cartridge to learn long range shooting with is the 308 Winchester. Probably because it's been around forever, the ballistics are well documented, and there is a plethora or instructors with knowledge on it. If you want to make it easier on you get a "wind cheater" like the 6.5 CM. I have both and honestly I like my 308 more.
talking wind cheaters, try shootingh a 6.5cm then a 300WM at 900 yards with the 6.5 i was holding about 1 mil of, with the 300WM 1/4 of that. kind of made 900 boring with the 300wm, that why i like the 6.5. previosuyl i was using the .308 for everything, problem is at 750m ish the hit probably went down significantly and it was quite inconsistant say a 1.5'-2' group on most occasion using handloaded rounds when the 6.5 at the same distance i's consistantly ablt to get from 4"-10" gorups at 750meters so it looks better for my reviews
I liked your video and thank you for publishing. For newbies, language accuracy is important. 6.5 Creedmoor is not a caliber. You change back and forth from “caliber” to “cartridge”. Cartridge is the best descriptor for 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, .223, etc. Caliber is the size of the bullet. So you could say (and be accurate) by saying a .308 Winchester, a .300 Winchester magnum and a 300 Blackout are all the same caliber but are different cartridges. .264 and 6.5 are also the same caliber…etc
I was gonna comment the same thing, I can't take much "advice" from someone who doesn't know the difference between caliber or cartridge... and saying things like "useless semantics"= ignorance on the subject 😅
You like those mdt chassis and stocks. I have a tikka t3 300wsm that kicked like a mule. I thought I was going to have to get rid of it. I dropped it into a lss xl and hot damn no flinching or anticipating kick. I thought I would have to put a brake on it but now it's not needed. I purchased an ess with the 12" forend. Now I'm waiting for a tikka t3 ss in 308 to go on sale at cabelas. They go on sale frequently. The 308 is about the only ammunition you can find. Thanks God I purchased a couple hundred 300wsm over a decade ago.... great video.
When we start shooting here in the Netherlands, when you want a rifle you are limited to .22 LR. After a year having your license you can step up to centre fire. Another quit important point is that we have 3 places where you can shoot 300 meters in the whole country. I am a member of a club where we will get next year a 200 m track, I bought myself a Ruger American Rimfire LRT, put a Konus F30 8-32x56 scope on it, a Magpul bipod and just started shooting, took me 10 shots to zero on 50 meters, next 10 shouts were within 1 cm. And this stayed consistent, so the rifle is great, because I know I’m mediocre. Then a few mates tried it out and they were doing the same groups. So now I can say I pulled the right straw and having a Ruger straight out of the box as accurate as hell. Lucky me.
joostprina, Yes, you are lucky, not as lucky as a few but luckier than many. I've heard of others that were limited to a pistol, shotgun and a rifle. If they wanted another they had to get rid of the one they had. And loaning a firearm, even at the range for another to shoot was forbidden. But as you say, lucky. Many places only the wealthy or criminals have a firearm. It always surprises me, the number of countries that limit their citizens from having firearms. One would assume it'd make a country strong to have a free and armed citizenry, like Switzerland, but i feel it's because those in power want to have the most power over it's people. It warms my heart to see you using what freedom you do have and enjoying it. If you wish for longer ranges to shoot at, i recommend the Western States of the U.S. ☆
May I also suggest a heavy rifle? Not heavy as in large caliber, but heavy in weight. The weight helps null out the shakes, especially for open sights. (Which I also recommend to first timers; learn the hard stuff first and you will be a better marksman later.)
I prefer my 7mm/mag. and my 30/06 I also reload which helps which helps keep the cost down. I'd like to get a .270 and a .257 Robert's if I can find a good used one.
This is excellent advice. Once you have rinsed a day of 300win mag home loads and still can't afford the gas to drive home, hear the car start or lift your arms to drive, you will appreciate getting more time, skill development and ultimate satisfaction from a good 22lr.
Now I know most people will laugh, but… I bought a Ruger American in the Go Wild package in 6.5 Creedmore. Shot it for hunting the last two years and it shot great. It has a Buris 3-9x40 E1 optic on it. I just put the action on a Magpul hunter stock, and will hunt with it this year. Next year I will upgrade my optic, my range only goes to 500 yards and that will most likely be my limit.
.223 is best. It forces marksmanship development, since without marksmanship a shooter cannot get good results from .223 at Long-Range. For example as shot in US Service Rifle Long-Range Competition some will post Master Class scores while others with less training will shoot poorly. In other words, when you develop enough skill to shoot .223 to 1000 yards, like inside 2 MOA in changing wind conditions from iron sights, you will get great results from cartridges actually associated with long range shooting instead of mediocre results with such cartridges.
I got me a tikka t3x light 6.5 creed two years ago. Many other options for LR riffles. But I heard nothing but great reviews on tikka riffles and wanted to see it for myself. so I got one. I can't believe how accurate this riffle and the price! Cons: Tikka ruined LR shooting for me. Also, please add 338 lapua in the line-up.
I am certainly no expert, but I do shoot lrp matches i.e. camp perry & 1000 yrd club. That said your first installment in this series is spot on, well done and looking forward to the next👍👏💥
My beginners rifle was a ruger American predator in 6.5cm with a vortex viper 6x24x50 hslr reticle. I am taking baby steps but reload. Components are hard to find at present but I am patient. Subbed out of curiosity.
hi Leonard welcome to the channel, glad to have you, yeah i;ve been looking to get an America predator, ruger's from my experience once load development is done are quite accurate.
Since this for beginner shooting don't worry about load development yet,concentrate more on budget based rifles,scopes & factory match ammo. If you enjoy it then you can get into custom builds,twist rates & a few grand on dies & scales & such for reloading
Fun fact, in the Netherlands we have 2 sides where you can shoot up to 300 meters (soon a third), nothing more for civilians. So for us it’s .22 or .223 but of course you got the people who who just want a bigger bang.
Wow i was really surprised when you said canada. I take it you're west of winnipeg right? For you to have all those guns. Also, funny hearing people talk about hornaday, it's made about 60 miles from where i live in a small town in Nebraska, US
The title says this is a video for beginners… Stay away from 6.5 prc and 300 prc guns. Those bullets are expensive, and sometimes impossible to buy… And surprisingly the 6.5 prc is about the same ballisticly as the old favorite 270 Winchester…- just look them up in a ballistics table… Accurate shooting primarily isn’t about the bullet, or the gun , but more about the ability and training of the shooter. I suggest beginners to Buy a reasonable gun, smaller calibre , then a reasonable scope. practise a lot, save your paper targets so you get feedback and measure / document your improved performance over time. Lastly shooting is like any other skill, practise and train, and for sure you will improve…👍👍 Ps dry fire , a lot!
@@EpikArms i understand boss, i just bought a rap 6.5 that i am planning a build on and would like your thoughts about the rifle and what would work as a budget type fun build. im thinking sharps bros chassis, swampfox patriot scope, vg6 epsilon brake, but not set on any of them. maybe an oryx chassis amd a vtx diamondback tactical scope.
@@parkerprecision6675 yeah the ruger predator should be a great option for a barelled action to start with my ruger rpr was super accurate (the action not that smooth though). Those are some pretty good options to start with. Regarding the scope. If your not in a hurry id order the Arken SH-4 now. it may have a 16 week wait time, but you likely wont grow out of that scope for a long time. And from my experience it beats pretty much all scopes below 650$ 700$ on almost every level. In regards to the chassis, it looks good but you will need to source a rear butstock to fit to it making it just that more expensive (i personally dont recommend the Luth AR rear buttstock if you were thinking of going that way). Id probably go with fixed stock over one that needs attachement with buffer tubes. I dont have experience with those muzzle breaks the ones im now using are the Cadex x1 and the corebreak, both are really nice at reducing recoil and staying on targrt for follow up shots and or spotting misses. Have fun shopping man!
Just bought my T3x compact tactical in 6.5 creed, which I’ve yet to pick up from Cabela’s and I haven’t done much research on amo cost prior to purchasing and strictly based my decision on recommendation of hunter friends. Now a few weeks later and looking at prices of ammunition online, I am like, holly shit this is going to be an expensive hobby if I can even find 6.5 creedmore in this environment of supply shortages. I guess better learn fast about loading my own and start saving all the brass. What brand would you recommend here in Canada for factory 6.5?
For factory amunition. I would buy a variety of the match stuff. Hornady match, sako trg, Barnes. 1 box of each until you find what your rifle likes best, than buy more of that.
I started with the Ruger 10/22. I got a bolt-action 270 when I was 7 years old as a Christmas gift. Thankfully we went to my grandfather's literally every weekend and he has or had rather a giant farm in New Hampshire with Fields after field after field. Hundreds and hundreds of yards of wide-open shooting range. And I got pretty damn good with that 270. Ammo was a lot cheaper back then. (End of 80s).. I have been practicing long range shooting when I say long-range I mean up around a thousand yards but no more than twelve hundred yards... Exclusively with a Savage model 111. Now this thing's been around for a while. Right around 25 years give or take. It's got the four round metal detachable box magazine with the push button magazine release on the right side of the rifle. It's the one that you never see anymore and you can't really buy any parts for. It's not the only rifle that I have that I do long range shooting with but it's the one that I use for that purpose easily 90% of the time. I don't get out nearly as much as I would like to give him the cost of ammo these days and I'm a bit of a prepper so I like to keep a stockpile of every caliber that I have. And I've collected quite a few Firearms over the years as have my daughters. I have five girls. Currently between the ages of eight and 21 years old. They all shoot. I taught them everything that I know and my oldest three outshoot me when it comes to tactical maneuvering these days. Those girls are damn good. Lately we've been working on the long-range like 500 yd + with a gong that is 12 in in diameter. I've never been one to be able to calculate all the math and all that shit. I think I've just got that hillbilly ability to do it.😂 This was a very well-presented video. I sent it to my daughters and a couple of friends of mine. You got my subscription with this video. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I work at the store in K.C. that has the most ammo of anyone in the metro. .308 has been readily available in lower cost FMJ to high performance hunting/target ammo. I wish I could say this about the 6.5 Creedmore or PRC. I agree with your advice on great cartridges at certain ranges. BUT, if you can't find 6.5 on the shelf or in lower cost per round, you'll do a lot less shooting for your money. I see this trend continuing through all of 2022. So, does it matter that much if it 'runs' better if you can't find the ammo to run it? We have massive amounts of .308 but (like many dealers) see only small and intermittent shipments of 6.5 and other things like Grendel. SO...does firing 3 times as many rounds for the same price increase you skill as a rifleman? I say it does and that offsets the better performance of cartridges that cost you three times as much per shot.
It's funny I knew you were Canadian far before you said you were Canadian. Following you now and I'm watching the rest of this series! I am in the process of deciding on a calibre/rifle to get into long range shooting.
Hi Sherry, lol what gave it away!? I was sure no one could tell haha. What Calibers are you leaning towards and what distance do you have available to shoot?
@Affordable Optics and Rifle Reviews haha I think it was my Canadian spidey senses that went off. I just spent 3 weeks living and working closely with a group of Americans down in Chicago who were from all across the country and I could definitely tell the difference in the way you spoke, and nothing specific, just in general haha. Kudos for using "zee" instead of "zed" too 😂 I haven't much gotten into it yet, but I went into Cabelas yesterday to look at a 6.5 Creedmoor and after talking to the guy he suggested starting with .308. As for ranges available I don't really know, I suppose I should secure that also. I've got a ¼ section in SK to shoot on but that's 8hrs away. This is all very preliminary and I think I might try and find a course somewhere near me... I was looking at the Tikka T3X TAC a1
When it comes to reloading, there is no saving money anymore. Maybe in some handgun and smaller rifle calibers....maybe. but for precision long range, even at intermediate level the proper equipment runs quite a bit very quickly.
@Dom Sawyer yeah, so I bought a ruger hawkeye long range in 300 win mag. Using the 205gr eldms at about 2600fps, I was dialed about 7 mils if I recall correctly. And just before shooting the 300wm I was shooting the 6.5 creed at 900m and I was holding 1mil right, with the 300wm I was holding 5 inches right. It kind of makes it easy. Likely beyond 1200m would be a real challenge
I would just use general purpose AR 556nato for up to 100 yard, instead of precision rifle. An decent AR, maintained by beginner should stay under 3 MOA which will allow the shouter to hit below 3" at 100 yard. And all shot would be on 8" diameter target.
Great video! Which province are you at? In BC there aren't much info for beginners as to where we can actually shoot targets! I mean where it is not illegal to discharge a rifle. There are some provincial "no shooting" maps, but they are not very clear. Is there a more comprehensive reference? Thanks.
5.56 for 500 meters with iron sights in an AR platform. There are several government sponsored organizations that will help you get started. They even provide the gun, ammo and cool outfits. Lol
The second you mentioned the 6.5 Creedmore I had to stop. I've been shooting Long Range and doing load development for over 50+ years. I can tell you that the 6.5 Creedmore Fad cartridge can be beat substantially by the 25.06 and the 270 Winchester. Ballistic FACT! Furthermore the ammunition for the 6.5 is a lot more expensive to get even if you could find some now. But the 270 especially is readily available at most gun shops at much cheaper prices. Same with the 25-06. But they're not as plentiful as the 270. I've shot the 30-06 out to 1000yrds consistantly and ammo is much cheaper as well. But, the issue is if you're trying to rely on the current factory ammo that's available for the majority of calibers, those will fall short on the Ballistic Coefficiant. Not the greatest in beginners trying to get into Long Range shooting. Unless you plan on handloading that's about the only way you can get bullets with a decent BC. Then there is the Powder, Primers and Brass that come into play. You mentioned building the 6.5 and the 300 PRC for extreme long range shooting. Huge expense on both those calibers especially for Brass, Primers and Powder. Given the current ammo shortage problems we have right now my suggestion is the 270 Winchester, the 308, the 30-06, 7mm Mag, 300 Win mag, 25-06 and even the 243 Winchester. All of which are readily available at most gun stores. Even WalMart. I've seen 6.5 creedmore for sale but it's more expensive than the 300 Win Mag. History has proven without a doubt that several of the Cartridges I mentioned, especially the 30-06 and the 300 Win Mag proved to be quite effective at long ranges. In Viet Nam Carlos Hathcock Killed more VC with his Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 and at 1200 yrds. He is a Legend in the Sniper and Long Range shooting community. Chris Kyle is also an American Legend by killing an enemy Sniper at over 2100 yrds with his 300 Win Mag. Historical Facts guys. So all of these new fangled Fad cartridges still have a hard time beating the old War Horses.
Hello, your recommendations are spot on. .243 Win if you want 6mm, .270 Win for upper range. As you said both of these are going to be much easier to find and take less weight from your wallet. So long range on a budget I agree with you with the .243 Win & .270 Win being excellent choices. If I was to go more powerful with even less drop, I would probably step up to a 300 Win Mag but those get costly to shoot.
I shoot in the HIgh Master Class of NRA Long-Range Competition. In that competition, today's most popular cartridge is the 6.5/284, since its MOA wind constant is about 22, meaning a full value 10 mph wind change will only displace bullet impact about 50 inches at 1000 yards. The reality of that is shooting in a prevailing 4 mph wind condition the 6.5/284 is like shooting a laser and thus it's preferred over cartridges like the .270 or 25.06. It's not that those cartridges can't do well at 1000 yards but who wants a handicap when shooting in competiton where the winner is the shooter with a perfect score and the highest X-Ring hits?
I was in and was supper excited for a new long range channel, until you said.22lr, .223, .308 , 6.5creedmore! Like get of the ban wagon and pick something more exciting and dare I say something with better speed and ballistics(25-06 for example, 7rem mag etc)
Well I'll see what I can do with my 243 I figure if I can hit a clay pigeon at 210 with a 22 I ought to be able to do alright with a fast accurate round like 243.
Looking forward to my first long range rifle. Currently only have ar for long ranges. There r not many long range shooting range in my country, but 223 and 308 ammo (local match ammo) is "dirt cheap" We cant legally reload here, but match 223 ammo goes for US $ 0.24 and 308 goes for $0.30 per round
One problem when you start getting higher than 223‘s price who can afford to be shooting at two dollars a shot for a decent Ammo with the 2 to 3 you can get decent ammo for 75 to a dollar
I used to shoot 20 rounds of .223 in Service Rifle practice, standing position, every morning and another 50 to 100 rounds every weekend. $6,000 a year for handloaded rounds through a Dillion 550. I could barely afford it but the practice schedule did promote getting to Master Class and a US Distinguished Rifleman badge. Later, after going to a dry fire practice for standing position I saved a lot of money, and got up to a 96% in standing position. At any rate you can learn more and have a lot more fun shooting the .223 at Long Range.than cartridges that are more laser like.
Forget 22LR its too hard to find,......yeah there some expensive stuff now,.....but how many times has it been available since 2008? 223 best choice or 308.
I would like to know what the definition of " flat" is in means of trajectory in long range shooting, i haven't done any long range shooting over about 250yrds hunting whitetail deer, and 2" high at 100yrds kills with my .270 win, thanks for the info
When rifle is fired from a line of bore greater than horizontal it will produce a trajectory whereby the bullet path will intersect line of sight twice. This is how it is possible to ZERO an M4 Rifle to 300 meters sighting-in at 25 meters. In that scenario the bullet path will be no more than 10 inches high at 175 meters and no more than 10 inches low at 350 meters. So, the point is not "flat shooting" but instead selecting a zero which makes sense for anticipated shooting distance/conditions/target height.
“Flat” is slang denoting bullets/cartridge combinations that have less drop than other cartridges at a similar distance. Saying something shoots flat is a physical impossibility when you have gravity and wind exerting force on the projectile. Bullets with higher ballistic coefficients will have less drag and therefore drop. Sectional density can also be a factor
As far as different cartridges being “flat shooting “, the vast majority of cartridges have almost identical ballistics at 300 yards or less. The differences even at 5 or 600 yards is still relatively small between 6 creed and 308. Plus you’ll burn a barrel out real fast with 6mms and magnums. 223 and 308 have tons of ammo and components everywhere and have good barrel life and cheap to reload.
Regardless of its "potential" with I would assume it would be better than .223 I woudnt not buy one its a caliber they gave up on. The 6mm arc would be something interesting to look to as an alternative
I've got a 308 and I shoot 180 grain in it I went to 150 grain and it still takes my shoulder do you recommend any shoulder recoil pads that I can add to the one I have
Great video as always. Can't wait for the next video, as I'm planing to buy something for mid to long range in the near future :) Would be great if you would let me know your thoughts on Howa's and Remington 700's as I think a Tikka would blow up my budget ;)
Hi Lucas in the next few weeks Ill have my review of the How 1500 HCR (howa chassis rifle) unfortunately my experience doesn't not appear to be as the other reviews that I have seen on this rifle, accuracy is ok to barely adequate, the action is really unsmooth, failures to feed. then again my experience is just one experience in contrast with the many positive reviews out there, unfortunately my experience wasn't great. now ive used some remington 700's while i find their triggers on their more budget rifles (not the x mark pro) rather disappointing their action work reliably (there not very smooth either) but accuracy does seem to be there, in my opinion once you upgrade your rem 700 with a good trigger you might not be far off form a tikka t3x varmint.
@@EpikArms Dear Alex, thanks a lot for sharing your experience with me. Maybe I should wait a paycheck more and go the Tikka way, as the cooler Remgtons are in prize pretty close to a Tikka Varmint🤔🤷🏻♂️ But first I'm going to check your next video an rifles😊👍🏻
@@lukas-ik7qe hahahaha, glad to know. Have you taken it hunting yet, if you have what's your impresions because I'm planning on taking it hunting, but it seems a bit too heavy
If I were to advise a newcomer then ammo has to be readily available anywhere, it must also be easy to reload for with ideally plenty of data. Recoil must be controllable and not too heavy. 223 is fine out to 600 yds but that's it's limit for precision. It's cheap to shoot which is a big plus and in tight twists with longer barrels is capable of good results at 600 yds. Its low recoil and muzzle blast are a real plus making it an ideal first budget LR choice. However, why have several rifles when wanting to stretch legs on distance? My advice is therefore to go straight to a 6.5. Any of them. Creedmor is great but in reality no better than 260 Rem nor 6.5 x 55 come to that. Still relatively inexpensive to reload for, gentle recoil and maintenance of sight picture and lots of load data. A 139gr scenar or 142gr SST pushed at between 2700 and 2800 fps gives stunning accuracy in many rifles out to over 1100 yds. Nothing else needed. 308 is ok but really not greatvo past 800 yds unless loaded hot. 190 smks are great even through transonic so good for 1000 yds but more thumpy to shoot.
I’m currently looking at getting into bolt firearms, and I got a range no longer than 300m and was initially going ti get a rimfire, but I’ll probably only have one bolt action rifle, so I was really drooling over the tikka t3x tac a1. Everything about that rifle is amazing but overkill?
Well for 300m yeah anything centerfire is going to be really easy. Pointlessly so. So for hunting that's perfect but if you want to challenge yourself then 22lr either tikka t1x or the cz457 is the way to go
@@EpikArms I was planning to do a decent blind on the side of a lake. My closest shot would be in the 350 to 450 yards where I plan to put a salt block hoping to attract them there. But I get a zone where it is 600-650 yards 😶. I got a 270 WSM which it is plenty to reach those ranges but not sure about the lethal aspect. I guess I will plan to buy a bigger bore or maybe stick to the closest ranges (350-450 yards) with my 270 WSM. Thanks for the reply.
I have and love my bolt action 22LR that lets me afford to practice more often. But I'd like an affordable center fire option too. So I'm looking at bolt action in 223. What chassis is your 223 used in this video mounted in? Would there be much difference between the Tikka T3x and the Savage Axix II Precision?
yeah so the rifle chassis for my .223 was the Tikka T3x Varmint in a XRS chassis (an affordable option similar to the Oryx, and the KRG bravo chassis. for precision id say yes my Savage Axis 2 precision (made a video on that one a while ago) was about a consistent 1" group and t\my tikka are about a 0.75" group on average. might seem like a small difference at 100M but at 1000 m those variation will amount to inches to feet apart depending on standard deviation and extreme spread of the velocities
@@EpikArms thanks for the info about your Tikka's chassis. I don't see myself shooting 223 to 1000 but I see your point. That quarter MOA difference in performance is significant the further one shoots.
Hi Juan, keep in mind my Howa was a lemon in terms of accuracy, most people get some good accuracy out of theirs. But in terms of everything else the Tikka is exponentially better, smoother actions, better triggers. In the long term you will appreciate your tikka over the howa.
Long range cartridges of the present, and the reasons why. 6.5cm . . . It's reason. One: the ballistic coefficient of it's bullets. Two: Lots of good manufacturers producing specialized rifles for it, along with private custom builders with tons of experience with the round. Three: The match Grade ammunition available for the round make it easy to buy off the shelf accurate quarter minute of angel possible more so than most other rounds, making it easy to stay away from the reloading game, if your rifle is tuned in for accuracy. Four: Rifles chambered for it are in most cases lighter than most of its big boomer brothers. Five: The round has been through its paces in the long range shooting communities. And if you do decide to reload for it, the long range shooting communities have the bullets figured out down to a nats a.. of what works and what doesn't. Lots of pros and very few cons for the 6.5cm 7mm-300wm One: The round has just enough horse power to go long with it ( 1000 to 1200 yds ) and still keep its barrel life at 1500 shots fired before it erodes the barrel which at that point a well put together rifle will still shoot half minute of angel all day long everyday before the barrel needs replaced. George Banke of Mirage ULR Custom Rifles www.mirageulr.com/longrangerifles.html builds some of the best specialized long range rifles that can be bought. He builds specialized rifles for groups in the long range neutralizing of terrorists field and he builds them one at a time making sure you get just what your needing for specialized missions. Cartridges range from 7mm-300wm . . . 338 LM with a longer action to accommodate the 300gr bullet which putrudes to far down in the cartridge case for proper powder loading. His newly designed action is longer allowing the 300gr bullet to be loaded farther out of the case for proper powder to be loaded for a 3000fps + 300gr bullet firing making it one of the best sniper rifles out there for accurate precise one shot shooting if you know your business of dialing in your dope to intended target. 375 Cheytah . . . It's reasons are quite numerous as everybody knows. One: It's bullets are custom made using a lath rendering the specialized bullet to come back through the sound barrier without causing bullet wobble making it more accurate on the other end at preferred target, very important for the bullet to get through this part of the flight without getting rocked coming out of super sonic flight. Two: The 375 bullets buck wind changes better than it's smaller brothers. Three: Rifles are on the heavy side making rifles chambered in this highly specialized round less prone to giving you the flinches usually caused by lighter smaller caliber rifles. Pros and cons: Cons: Very pricey $12,000 usually to start and at $10 or higher a pop for it's special built ammunition can be rather out of most individuals purchasing power. Pros: Top Quality Equipment insurers target gets neutralized fast and in a timely manner, meaning not taking all day to accomplish what this rifle & round can do within a few minutes of course after you've spent time with the beast getting to know it's limitations and abilities. 408 Cheytah Same abilities as the 375 Cheytah, just bigger bullet more energy on target, but a bigger ark from barrel to intended target. 416 Berratt Same as the two above but more of it. And then of course you have the big 50 caliber but the rifles are extremely heavy and the three rounds above out shine it at extreme long range in accuracy and energy. Rather long winded I know but these are my take on what's available excluding the various wildcats that are good in their own right just need deep pockets to enjoy as intended. If I missed a few please be free to beat hell out of me on here or when you see me lol I've got lots of knots on my head caused by the leaning curve I've encountered . . . Peace ✌ and try to laugh more it's healthy you know lol lol Check out George Banke's RUclips video on the 7mm-300wm and his special longer action for the 338 Lapua Magnum ruclips.net/video/aUNuZ4Ls9w8/видео.htmlsi=mQ3SY7ids4VaMqZg
@@EpikArms When I search online the Hornady Match is about $40 for the 308 and the same Hornady Match in 6.5 Creedmoor is about $63 for the same labeled ammo here in the U.S.
hi please have a look at the Discovery 5-30x56 ffp with 34 body . I am considering buying one for my fx sniper when I get it , can’t find a proper review? Cheers
For that price I’d go with an arken sh4 4-16x50 ffp. 16x is plenty out to 1000 yards and it’s usable through the whole zoom range. Cheap scopes get pretty bad above 20x.
Hi Dennis, thanks for the recommendation. The discovery 5-30×56 is in their HD line, althou i havent reviewed that specific magnification i have reviewed their 4-24×50 version. And in my opinion it was quite nice for the price. Here is the link for that video m.ruclips.net/video/DerSb0Y-d34/видео.html
I just dont have any experience with those 2 specifically, while the 300win mag is similar to the 300 PRC just with the bullet stuck deeper i the case allowing less case capacity
If you go for a 300 win mag, I recommend staying clear of synthetic stock. I have a mossberg patriot chambered in 300 win mag and it leaves my shoulder bruised after 8 rounds of 180 grain bullets.
Just watching this video now. Do you have any thoughts on the .224 Valkyrie? I am looking into a precision build and have heard mixed things about the round.
Eamonn, from my understanding the benefits to that cartridge over say a precision .223 are marginal. Since you are doing a custom build something interesting to look into is a 22-250 with a 1-8" twist. Basically, turning a .223 into a magnum and there are lots of bullet selection for the heavy match stuff. At some point I will do such a build but for the time being I'm building a 6mm creedmoor
Here’s what’s problematic, barrel life on a round like .224 Valkyrie is going to be about 400 rounds for sub MOA long range performance and even 80 to 90 grain bullets from a fast twist barrel will still not get the high MOA wind constants that the 6.5’s will deliver with somewhat longer barrel life so there’s no point to a .224 Valkyrie for long range. The .223 on the other hand will get a bullet nose-on to 1000 yards but will not go where aimed without application of a great amount of knowledge about how to counter for wind, which is the point, a shooter who learns how to get .223 rounds in the X-Ring occasionally will then get more rounds in the X-Ring from a 6.5 than others having no experience with a .223 at 1000 yards and that means more wins for that guy than others. The bottom line is get a match conditioned AR with iron sights for long range practice and connect with a credentialed shooting coach and you will get to the highest plateaus of good shooting in no time.
I am in the markit for a rifle scope for a 243 howa 1500.. i do more hunting then target shooting what optics can i look at. I am a big vortex person ... just need some advice pls. my budget it about 700$
Well depending on what currency, im assuming its in USD. You are likely going to want a sfp, id recommend chacking out the vortex LHT used or a vortex viper HST.
hi Timehero, no i don't have a 338 my biggest caliber is a ruger Hawkeye long range in 300WM recently purchased, so far its been really amazing for accuracy.
It does not. I’m almost certain those JTF2 soldiers were using a .50bmg. The second longest recorded kill shot was with a .338 lapua magnum though. By a British sniper team and it was a double kill.
@@almostontimehero5415 can I get a source? Every article I’ve read said it was using a McMillan Tac 50. All 3 of the top 5 longest shots by Canadians was using the Tac 50 as far as I’m aware. Which is the primary 50bmg sniper used by the CAF. Edit: and .50bmg would absolutely be able to reach out that far.
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My guide to LR shooting for beginners: start with a .22, and shoot a lot. You'll understand quickly enough whether this game is for you or not.
Shooting with the cheap .22 I bought is what actually got me interested in shooting at longer ranges lol. I'm currently looking for a decent rifle that won't cost an arm and a leg to put a good bit of rounds through.
One of my local stores has a 6.5 Creedmor bolt gun for around $350, but at around $45 for a box of 20 rounds is rediculous. For my purposes at least, I know they have a use.
@@MuffinMammoth lmk what you choose cuz I'm going through the same thing and I'm curious
@@Ekkaisara I ended up buying a Ruger Precision Rimfire in .22WMR. A box of 50 is about $19.99, and I've taken it out to 450 yards.
@@MuffinMammoth yeah I was thinking of a .22 rifle and handgun. I've heard heritage makes heritage makes great budget single action revolvers, I was thinking of getting one of their 250 dollar revolvers that come with adjustable sights and interchangeable cylinders
That being said I don't know about many .22 calibre rifles so I'd need to look more into that
@@Ekkaisara I don't know much about Heritige, so I can't really help you there. Do you have any .22 rifles at all? If so, I'd recommend a Ruger 10/22 first. They're great rifles, and there's a huge aftermarket for them. Also, there's a major difference between .22 Long Rifle, and .22 Winchester Magnum Round. The .22WMR is pretty much twice the velocity as a .22LR.
Thanks for this video series!! I just graduated from an AR-10/AR-308 to a Bergara HMR Pro in 6.5. I'm aiming to be able to shoot to 800-1,000yds, and this channel has helped me in that goal.
The first and most economical item you can find is a mentor that can show you, not only what you need but what you DON'T need.
Starting with a 22Lr will show you much.
It doesn't matter what gun you use if you don't practice proper technique it won't matter. Breathing and trigger squeeze is the most important. I have taught a lot of kids how to shot. The best thing is to start with a kid that has never shot at all. If they only no good habits they will never have bad habits. Start with a .22 LR for a while. Ear protection is a must. Always be patient with them and make it fun.
kesleycottrell,
EXACTLY.
I wish more had your knowledge.
Properly Fitting ear muffs ars so important.
If they touch the stock they are too big, they do make kids size ear muffs.
9 out of 10 adults think a .22LR doesn't damage hearing, Wrong. It culminated.
Thanks.
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I went from a pellet gun to a 22lr to a 243 win to a 308 to a 6.5 creedmoor to a 338 win to a 338 lapua to a 30.378 weatherby. Each has its capabilities and downfalls. I would have to say I enjoyed the 6.5 creedmoor the best
I really liked this guide vs alot of others. I think it is definitely valuable for new shooters and has some good considerations that a lot of other people don't talk about it! Keep it up
Thanks Savage Reloader!
I like your video. You are being honest.
Long range shooting wasn't my intentions. But fell into it by chance.
Bought my first rifle as a deer gun and first left hand bolt I could get even used under a $1000 bucks. Mind you this was 1996 and things are worse now.
But I got a savage 110L in 7mm rem mag. I've used her and burnt the barrel up over the years.
Looking you redo this rifle but until then I have my 300win and my 25-06 along with my savage mkII 22lr that does everything I need.
The .223 is ideal for Long-Range Shooting Training, for a multitude or reasons, but especially as shot from a match conditioned iron sight AR-15 A4, because that platform/cartridge demands extraordinary Marksmanship development to get good results at Long-Range and when such marksmanship development comes to fruition the shooter will do better than others shooting from any Long-Range platform/cartridge. Yet, no matter the action type, or caliber, here's what's important about any rifle taken to the 800-to-1000-yard Long-Range Firing Line:
The barrel must have sufficient length and have a fast enough rifling twist to produce the sort of velocity/spin needed to get the bullet to 1000 yards nose-on. To support a definitive and uniform trajectory, the barrel must be properly bored, chambered, and rifled, as well as be stiff enough to remain straight when made hot from multiple firings.
2. Trigger mechanics and stock’s pistol grip ergonomics should support smooth trigger control.
3. Stock should be unitized to rifle’s action to support shooter’s control of rifle.
4. The stock must fit shooter in prone position for proper sight alignment, as well as permit recognition of a muscularly relaxed natural point of aim.
5. Sights need elevation adjustment range to permit zeroing to 1000 yards and be scaled to ¼ MOA or finer to permit precise zeroing. For competitions which allow a scope, magnification from about 10 to 20 power will satisfy all aiming needs.
6. A match conditioned equivalent of the as issued iron sight M16-A2 or A4 rifle satisfies all long range rifle requirements, promoting marksmanship better than alternative platforms, since good results from it requires greater awareness for everything important to good shooting than other platforms.
Now, aspiring long range shooters who are just getting into it may have a perception that good results are all about a high-power rifle with a high magnification scope and match grade ammunition. This mindset is understandable yet unrealistic since the match conditioning of equipment is only a small portion of what’s important to good shooting; and, when such equipment is used by an untrained shooter, the match conditioning serves only as a substitute for marksmanship when shooting at short range, where comprehensive marksmanship skills are not required for good results. This reality is proven In Long Range Service Rifle Competition where each shooter totes equipment to the firing line as similar to others as peas in a pod; yet, while some shooters on the firing line will post Master Class scores, others will shoot poorly. To do better than poorly, shooters should first recognize the fact that, unless the rifle is broken, the bullet will ALWAYS go in the direction the barrel is pointed. This means that when the bullet does not go where aimed it’s not about the gun being suspect; but instead, it’s likely the shooter’s aim was disturbed, the sights were not properly aligned, or the sights were not correctly adjusted for distance, wind, and weather conditions. Since this sort of shot misplacement is caused by shooter error, rather than an inadequate gun, sights, or ammunition, the shooter should reorient the mindset from emphasis on equipment to focus on the principles of marksmanship and the skills which support properly pointing the rifle.
A novice can get off to a good start with it all by simply getting some basic rifle marksmanship training from a qualified instructor, perhaps, through participation in a CMP authorized M1 Garand Clinic hosted by a local shooting club affiliated with the Civilian Marksmanship Program. The United States Army Marksmanship Unit also hosts a marksmanship training exercise for U.S. Citizens at Camp Perry, Ohio called Small Arms Firing School. At this annual 3-day July event students get training from champion shooters on everything there is to know about good shooting. Creds: NRA Long Range High Master, US Distinguished Rifleman, CMP-USAMU certified Military Rifle Instructor.
Best read i've had in a lonmg time, very detailed, and very straightforward and true. Thank you so much for the insight, and anyone looking for some of the thought processes and beginer points, look no further.
what about mil scopes? I ask because .1 mil comes out to .36" and I am not aware of them being finer than that. maybe there is but I've never heard of one. or is it going to be something along the lines of just don't use mils
@@wades623 a mil scaled reticle supported by a range card is an easy means to range target distance as well as serve a bullet drop compensation function but elevation and windage adjustment in MOA will get a better no-wind zero. Thing is today’s scopes are not marketed that way so if you see objects in yards or inches get MOA/MOA if you see things as meters or millimeters get mil/mil
I've been out to 1100 yd with A Remington model 700 308. I've also been out to 800 yd with Remington in 223. And I've been out to 1100 yd with a Remington in 243. My 243 is A Remington 783 with a 26" heavy barrel. I love a good challenge. I've been using monstrum scopes For the money they're pretty good scopes I have two 6x24-50s FFP So far no problems with the monstrum brand. I gave a round $300 for each scope.
Shot my first F-Class 600 yard match last Sunday. Had a blast with my 6.5 Creedmoor Ruger PR.
223/556 4-600mt. 308/7.62 6-800+mt The challenge for both these round is to consistently hit their mark at their maximum effective ranges! The 308, if you do your part, is quite capable of reaching out to 1000mt and beyond (if not already acquainted have a look at “Mark and Sam after work” ) probably the best channel for all things ELR, imho of course😂 Many thanks for the start of this new series, will be following you every step of the way. Big thumbs up from across the pond in deepest Dorset 👍
Thanks Clive!
Just getting into this long range game. Nice to see a channel from Canada, so I know you're under the same constraints that I am! Subbed a couple of videos ago (yes, I am a binge watcher when I find a channel I enjoy). Thanks for the videos and cheers from southern Alberta.
Hi Rob! Thanks man, let me know if you have any questions
I've always heard the best cartridge to learn long range shooting with is the 308 Winchester.
Probably because it's been around forever, the ballistics are well documented, and there is a plethora or instructors with knowledge on it.
If you want to make it easier on you get a "wind cheater" like the 6.5 CM. I have both and honestly I like my 308 more.
talking wind cheaters, try shootingh a 6.5cm then a 300WM at 900 yards with the 6.5 i was holding about 1 mil of, with the 300WM 1/4 of that. kind of made 900 boring with the 300wm, that why i like the 6.5. previosuyl i was using the .308 for everything, problem is at 750m ish the hit probably went down significantly and it was quite inconsistant say a 1.5'-2' group on most occasion using handloaded rounds when the 6.5 at the same distance i's consistantly ablt to get from 4"-10" gorups at 750meters so it looks better for my reviews
I liked your video and thank you for publishing. For newbies, language accuracy is important. 6.5 Creedmoor is not a caliber. You change back and forth from “caliber” to “cartridge”. Cartridge is the best descriptor for 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, .223, etc. Caliber is the size of the bullet. So you could say (and be accurate) by saying a .308 Winchester, a .300 Winchester magnum and a 300 Blackout are all the same caliber but are different cartridges. .264 and 6.5 are also the same caliber…etc
Completely useless semantics.
I was gonna comment the same thing, I can't take much "advice" from someone who doesn't know the difference between caliber or cartridge... and saying things like "useless semantics"= ignorance on the subject 😅
@@constantk8780 No, words have sense.
You like those mdt chassis and stocks. I have a tikka t3 300wsm that kicked like a mule. I thought I was going to have to get rid of it. I dropped it into a lss xl and hot damn no flinching or anticipating kick. I thought I would have to put a brake on it but now it's not needed.
I purchased an ess with the 12" forend. Now I'm waiting for a tikka t3 ss in 308 to go on sale at cabelas. They go on sale frequently. The 308 is about the only ammunition you can find. Thanks God I purchased a couple hundred 300wsm over a decade ago.... great video.
When we start shooting here in the Netherlands, when you want a rifle you are limited to .22 LR. After a year having your license you can step up to centre fire.
Another quit important point is that we have 3 places where you can shoot 300 meters in the whole country. I am a member of a club where we will get next year a 200 m track, I bought myself a Ruger American Rimfire LRT, put a Konus F30 8-32x56 scope on it, a Magpul bipod and just started shooting, took me 10 shots to zero on 50 meters, next 10 shouts were within 1 cm. And this stayed consistent, so the rifle is great, because I know I’m mediocre. Then a few mates tried it out and they were doing the same groups. So now I can say I pulled the right straw and having a Ruger straight out of the box as accurate as hell. Lucky me.
joostprina,
Yes, you are lucky, not as lucky as a few but luckier than many.
I've heard of others that were limited to a pistol, shotgun and a rifle. If they wanted another they had to get rid of the one they had. And loaning a firearm, even at the range for another to shoot was forbidden. But as you say, lucky. Many places only the wealthy or criminals have a firearm.
It always surprises me, the number of countries that limit their citizens from having firearms. One would assume it'd make a country strong to have a free and armed citizenry, like Switzerland, but i feel it's because those in power want to have the most power over it's people.
It warms my heart to see you using what freedom you do have and enjoying it. If you wish for longer ranges to shoot at, i recommend the Western States of the U.S.
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May I also suggest a heavy rifle? Not heavy as in large caliber, but heavy in weight. The weight helps null out the shakes, especially for open sights. (Which I also recommend to first timers; learn the hard stuff first and you will be a better marksman later.)
I prefer my 7mm/mag. and my 30/06 I also reload which helps which helps keep the cost down. I'd like to get a .270 and a .257 Robert's if I can find a good used one.
This is excellent advice. Once you have rinsed a day of 300win mag home loads and still can't afford the gas to drive home, hear the car start or lift your arms to drive, you will appreciate getting more time, skill development and ultimate satisfaction from a good 22lr.
hi, we loved your video , thanks for sharing
Amazing how the .243 is always overlooked in these videos. It's one of the flattest bullets known.
Yeah, the .243 has basically been replaced with the more "modern" 6mm creedmoor. Have a 6mm and it's a laser beam
Now I know most people will laugh, but… I bought a Ruger American in the Go Wild package in 6.5 Creedmore. Shot it for hunting the last two years and it shot great. It has a Buris 3-9x40 E1 optic on it. I just put the action on a Magpul hunter stock, and will hunt with it this year. Next year I will upgrade my optic, my range only goes to 500 yards and that will most likely be my limit.
.223 is best. It forces marksmanship development, since without marksmanship a shooter cannot get good results from .223 at Long-Range. For example as shot in US Service Rifle Long-Range Competition some will post Master Class scores while others with less training will shoot poorly. In other words, when you develop enough skill to shoot .223 to 1000 yards, like inside 2 MOA in changing wind conditions from iron sights, you will get great results from cartridges actually associated with long range shooting instead of mediocre results with such cartridges.
What a great series.
I’m running a tikka tac a1. And I love it
yep Tikkas thus far are my favourite as well.
I got me a tikka t3x light 6.5 creed two years ago. Many other options for LR riffles. But I heard nothing but great reviews on tikka riffles and wanted to see it for myself. so I got one. I can't believe how accurate this riffle and the price!
Cons: Tikka ruined LR shooting for me. Also, please add 338 lapua in the line-up.
I am certainly no expert, but I do shoot lrp matches i.e. camp perry & 1000 yrd club. That said your first installment in this series is spot on, well done and looking forward to the next👍👏💥
thanks Paul I appreciate the feedback!
I’m in the 1700 yard club
My beginners rifle was a ruger American predator in 6.5cm with a vortex viper 6x24x50 hslr reticle. I am taking baby steps but reload. Components are hard to find at present but I am patient. Subbed out of curiosity.
hi Leonard welcome to the channel, glad to have you, yeah i;ve been looking to get an America predator, ruger's from my experience once load development is done are quite accurate.
6.5 cm? So you were shooting a cannon.
@@major_kukri2430 bb gun
Since this for beginner shooting don't worry about load development yet,concentrate more on budget based rifles,scopes & factory match ammo. If you enjoy it then you can get into custom builds,twist rates & a few grand on dies & scales & such for reloading
Fun fact, in the Netherlands we have 2 sides where you can shoot up to 300 meters (soon a third), nothing more for civilians. So for us it’s .22 or .223 but of course you got the people who who just want a bigger bang.
i love the tractor driving and chilling in the back
Wow i was really surprised when you said canada. I take it you're west of winnipeg right? For you to have all those guns. Also, funny hearing people talk about hornaday, it's made about 60 miles from where i live in a small town in Nebraska, US
160 gr 338 Winmag muzzle velocity almost 3300 fps mv.
now that's an impressive caliber! some day....
The title says this is a video for beginners…
Stay away from 6.5 prc and 300 prc guns. Those bullets are expensive, and sometimes impossible to buy…
And surprisingly the 6.5 prc is about the same ballisticly as the old favorite 270 Winchester…- just look them up in a ballistics table…
Accurate shooting primarily isn’t about the bullet, or the gun , but more about the ability and training of the shooter.
I suggest beginners to Buy a reasonable gun, smaller calibre , then a reasonable scope.
practise a lot, save your paper targets so you get feedback and measure / document your improved performance over time.
Lastly shooting is like any other skill, practise and train, and for sure you will improve…👍👍
Ps dry fire , a lot!
this series has me excited. i cant wait for the rest of the videos.
yeah I tried doing it all in one video... but i never could do it in under 30 minutes so thanks why im doing it in partitions. thanks for watching!
@@EpikArms i understand boss, i just bought a rap 6.5 that i am planning a build on and would like your thoughts about the rifle and what would work as a budget type fun build. im thinking sharps bros chassis, swampfox patriot scope, vg6 epsilon brake, but not set on any of them. maybe an oryx chassis amd a vtx diamondback tactical scope.
@@parkerprecision6675 yeah the ruger predator should be a great option for a barelled action to start with my ruger rpr was super accurate (the action not that smooth though). Those are some pretty good options to start with. Regarding the scope. If your not in a hurry id order the Arken SH-4 now. it may have a 16 week wait time, but you likely wont grow out of that scope for a long time. And from my experience it beats pretty much all scopes below 650$ 700$ on almost every level. In regards to the chassis, it looks good but you will need to source a rear butstock to fit to it making it just that more expensive (i personally dont recommend the Luth AR rear buttstock if you were thinking of going that way). Id probably go with fixed stock over one that needs attachement with buffer tubes. I dont have experience with those muzzle breaks the ones im now using are the Cadex x1 and the corebreak, both are really nice at reducing recoil and staying on targrt for follow up shots and or spotting misses. Have fun shopping man!
Just bought my T3x compact tactical in 6.5 creed, which I’ve yet to pick up from Cabela’s and I haven’t done much research on amo cost prior to purchasing and strictly based my decision on recommendation of hunter friends. Now a few weeks later and looking at prices of ammunition online, I am like, holly shit this is going to be an expensive hobby if I can even find 6.5 creedmore in this environment of supply shortages. I guess better learn fast about loading my own and start saving all the brass. What brand would you recommend here in Canada for factory 6.5?
For factory amunition. I would buy a variety of the match stuff. Hornady match, sako trg, Barnes. 1 box of each until you find what your rifle likes best, than buy more of that.
I started with the Ruger 10/22.
I got a bolt-action 270 when I was 7 years old as a Christmas gift.
Thankfully we went to my grandfather's literally every weekend and he has or had rather a giant farm in New Hampshire with Fields after field after field. Hundreds and hundreds of yards of wide-open shooting range. And I got pretty damn good with that 270. Ammo was a lot cheaper back then. (End of 80s)..
I have been practicing long range shooting when I say long-range I mean up around a thousand yards but no more than twelve hundred yards... Exclusively with a Savage model 111. Now this thing's been around for a while. Right around 25 years give or take. It's got the four round metal detachable box magazine with the push button magazine release on the right side of the rifle. It's the one that you never see anymore and you can't really buy any parts for.
It's not the only rifle that I have that I do long range shooting with but it's the one that I use for that purpose easily 90% of the time. I don't get out nearly as much as I would like to give him the cost of ammo these days and I'm a bit of a prepper so I like to keep a stockpile of every caliber that I have. And I've collected quite a few Firearms over the years as have my daughters. I have five girls. Currently between the ages of eight and 21 years old.
They all shoot. I taught them everything that I know and my oldest three outshoot me when it comes to tactical maneuvering these days. Those girls are damn good.
Lately we've been working on the long-range like 500 yd + with a gong that is 12 in in diameter.
I've never been one to be able to calculate all the math and all that shit. I think I've just got that hillbilly ability to do it.😂
This was a very well-presented video. I sent it to my daughters and a couple of friends of mine. You got my subscription with this video.
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Thank you sir! Much appreciated!
Really enjoy your vids. Interested in a air rifle for small game . Would be interested in your thoughts, you sold me on the Savage 110.
Thanks I appreciate hearing that! Great choice!
I work at the store in K.C. that has the most ammo of anyone in the metro. .308 has been readily available in lower cost FMJ to high performance hunting/target ammo. I wish I could say this about the 6.5 Creedmore or PRC. I agree with your advice on great cartridges at certain ranges. BUT, if you can't find 6.5 on the shelf or in lower cost per round, you'll do a lot less shooting for your money. I see this trend continuing through all of 2022. So, does it matter that much if it 'runs' better if you can't find the ammo to run it? We have massive amounts of .308 but (like many dealers) see only small and intermittent shipments of 6.5 and other things like Grendel. SO...does firing 3 times as many rounds for the same price increase you skill as a rifleman? I say it does and that offsets the better performance of cartridges that cost you three times as much per shot.
hi Tom thanks for that, out here in Canada the situation is a bit different there is still some 6.5 on the shelves (not much but still some)
It's funny I knew you were Canadian far before you said you were Canadian. Following you now and I'm watching the rest of this series! I am in the process of deciding on a calibre/rifle to get into long range shooting.
Hi Sherry, lol what gave it away!? I was sure no one could tell haha. What Calibers are you leaning towards and what distance do you have available to shoot?
@Affordable Optics and Rifle Reviews haha I think it was my Canadian spidey senses that went off. I just spent 3 weeks living and working closely with a group of Americans down in Chicago who were from all across the country and I could definitely tell the difference in the way you spoke, and nothing specific, just in general haha. Kudos for using "zee" instead of "zed" too 😂
I haven't much gotten into it yet, but I went into Cabelas yesterday to look at a 6.5 Creedmoor and after talking to the guy he suggested starting with .308. As for ranges available I don't really know, I suppose I should secure that also. I've got a ¼ section in SK to shoot on but that's 8hrs away. This is all very preliminary and I think I might try and find a course somewhere near me...
I was looking at the Tikka T3X TAC a1
When it comes to reloading, there is no saving money anymore. Maybe in some handgun and smaller rifle calibers....maybe. but for precision long range, even at intermediate level the proper equipment runs quite a bit very quickly.
I have a 7 Rem Mag, but I have been looking at the 280 AI lately.
Was hoping to hear you speak about 300 Win Mag.
Aha yes, i didnt have one at the time. Now i do. Its a fine caliber!
@@EpikArms New rifle shooter here.....just doing research and wanted to hear your thoughts, because I LOVE your content!
@Dom Sawyer yeah, so I bought a ruger hawkeye long range in 300 win mag. Using the 205gr eldms at about 2600fps, I was dialed about 7 mils if I recall correctly. And just before shooting the 300wm I was shooting the 6.5 creed at 900m and I was holding 1mil right, with the 300wm I was holding 5 inches right. It kind of makes it easy. Likely beyond 1200m would be a real challenge
I sure he's assuming you're moving up from rimfire.I still plink with my favorite.22 but became board hitting baseballs at 400 yards. 👍
When I was in the Marine Corps we qualified with .223 M16s with iron sights out to 500 meters. 400 with a scope would be a cinch.
I would just use general purpose AR 556nato for up to 100 yard, instead of precision rifle. An decent AR, maintained by beginner should stay under 3 MOA which will allow the shouter to hit below 3" at 100 yard. And all shot would be on 8" diameter target.
Great video! Which province are you at? In BC there aren't much info for beginners as to where we can actually shoot targets! I mean where it is not illegal to discharge a rifle. There are some provincial "no shooting" maps, but they are not very clear. Is there a more comprehensive reference? Thanks.
5.56 for 500 meters with iron sights in an AR platform. There are several government sponsored organizations that will help you get started. They even provide the gun, ammo and cool outfits. Lol
The second you mentioned the 6.5 Creedmore I had to stop. I've been shooting Long Range and doing load development for over 50+ years. I can tell you that the 6.5 Creedmore Fad cartridge can be beat substantially by the 25.06 and the 270 Winchester. Ballistic FACT! Furthermore the ammunition for the 6.5 is a lot more expensive to get even if you could find some now. But the 270 especially is readily available at most gun shops at much cheaper prices. Same with the 25-06. But they're not as plentiful as the 270. I've shot the 30-06 out to 1000yrds consistantly and ammo is much cheaper as well. But, the issue is if you're trying to rely on the current factory ammo that's available for the majority of calibers, those will fall short on the Ballistic Coefficiant. Not the greatest in beginners trying to get into Long Range shooting. Unless you plan on handloading that's about the only way you can get bullets with a decent BC. Then there is the Powder, Primers and Brass that come into play. You mentioned building the 6.5 and the 300 PRC for extreme long range shooting. Huge expense on both those calibers especially for Brass, Primers and Powder. Given the current ammo shortage problems we have right now my suggestion is the 270 Winchester, the 308, the 30-06, 7mm Mag, 300 Win mag, 25-06 and even the 243 Winchester. All of which are readily available at most gun stores. Even WalMart. I've seen 6.5 creedmore for sale but it's more expensive than the 300 Win Mag. History has proven without a doubt that several of the Cartridges I mentioned, especially the 30-06 and the 300 Win Mag proved to be quite effective at long ranges. In Viet Nam Carlos Hathcock Killed more VC with his Winchester Model 70 in 30-06 and at 1200 yrds. He is a Legend in the Sniper and Long Range shooting community. Chris Kyle is also an American Legend by killing an enemy Sniper at over 2100 yrds with his 300 Win Mag. Historical Facts guys. So all of these new fangled Fad cartridges still have a hard time beating the old War Horses.
Hello, your recommendations are spot on. .243 Win if you want 6mm, .270 Win for upper range. As you said both of these are going to be much easier to find and take less weight from your wallet. So long range on a budget I agree with you with the .243 Win & .270 Win being excellent choices. If I was to go more powerful with even less drop, I would probably step up to a 300 Win Mag but those get costly to shoot.
Your reply just saved me 10 minutes of my life.
I hope it helps
@@dennisowen3717 I shoot long range odten, but always enjoy someone else's perspective. Just tired of hearing about a 6.5 creedmoor.
I shoot in the HIgh Master Class of NRA Long-Range Competition. In that competition, today's most popular cartridge is the 6.5/284, since its MOA wind constant is about 22, meaning a full value 10 mph wind change will only displace bullet impact about 50 inches at 1000 yards. The reality of that is shooting in a prevailing 4 mph wind condition the 6.5/284 is like shooting a laser and thus it's preferred over cartridges like the .270 or 25.06. It's not that those cartridges can't do well at 1000 yards but who wants a handicap when shooting in competiton where the winner is the shooter with a perfect score and the highest X-Ring hits?
Very nice and good information thanks
I was in and was supper excited for a new long range channel, until you said.22lr, .223, .308 , 6.5creedmore! Like get of the ban wagon and pick something more exciting and dare I say something with better speed and ballistics(25-06 for example, 7rem mag etc)
Thanks great topic I'm trying to get into shooting farther this year. Especially now that I started reloading last year
yeah, reloading is really nice for fine tuning the load perfectly to the rifle, it should help get the SD as low as possible
It might be worth it to get surplus rifle, something along the lines of Spanish Mauser with 7mm cartridge.
hi there, why do you recommend the surplus Mauser over a modern production rifle? (i dont have any experience with them just wondering
the 270 is good for long-range as well
First there was a 270 Win, then 7.62x54R. Now 300 win mag.
Ultimately.338 Lapua mag (price of the ammo is so outrageous !)
Good video bro !
Thanks I appreciate it!
338 Lapua is obsolete. 300 PRC beats except quite handily.
What about 243 Winchester?
I think people will like your personality than your guns 🤭👍 you did great job and continue your RUclips video, thank you for sharing 👍👍💪
Right now waiting for my brand new Tikka T3x CTR sitting in a GGS Reaper Stock, chambered in 6,5 Creedmoor 😯
Well I'll see what I can do with my 243 I figure if I can hit a clay pigeon at 210 with a 22 I ought to be able to do alright with a fast accurate round like 243.
Looking forward to my first long range rifle. Currently only have ar for long ranges.
There r not many long range shooting range in my country, but 223 and 308 ammo (local match ammo) is "dirt cheap"
We cant legally reload here, but match 223 ammo goes for US $ 0.24 and 308 goes for $0.30 per round
Wow thats amazing! What country do you live?
Thanks bro tikka t3x it is I was leaning towards the tikka t3x anyway 👍🏼
no prob, cant go wrong with Tikka
One problem when you start getting higher than 223‘s price who can afford to be shooting at two dollars a shot for a decent Ammo with the 2 to 3 you can get decent ammo for 75 to a dollar
I used to shoot 20 rounds of .223 in Service Rifle practice, standing position, every morning and another 50 to 100 rounds every weekend. $6,000 a year for handloaded rounds through a Dillion 550. I could barely afford it but the practice schedule did promote getting to Master Class and a US Distinguished Rifleman badge. Later, after going to a dry fire practice for standing position I saved a lot of money, and got up to a 96% in standing position. At any rate you can learn more and have a lot more fun shooting the .223 at Long Range.than cartridges that are more laser like.
257 Weatherby, 7mm RUM, 300 Weatherby, 338 Winmag.
Forget 22LR its too hard to find,......yeah there some expensive stuff now,.....but how many times has it been available since 2008?
223 best choice or 308.
I would like to know what the definition of " flat" is in means of trajectory in long range shooting, i haven't done any long range shooting over about 250yrds hunting whitetail deer, and 2" high at 100yrds kills with my .270 win, thanks for the info
When rifle is fired from a line of bore greater than horizontal it will produce a trajectory whereby the bullet path will intersect line of sight twice. This is how it is possible to ZERO an M4 Rifle to 300 meters sighting-in at 25 meters. In that scenario the bullet path will be no more than 10 inches high at 175 meters and no more than 10 inches low at 350 meters. So, the point is not "flat shooting" but instead selecting a zero which makes sense for anticipated shooting distance/conditions/target height.
270 is a great caliber .
“Flat” is slang denoting bullets/cartridge combinations that have less drop than other cartridges at a similar distance. Saying something shoots flat is a physical impossibility when you have gravity and wind exerting force on the projectile. Bullets with higher ballistic coefficients will have less drag and therefore drop. Sectional density can also be a factor
As far as different cartridges being “flat shooting “, the vast majority of cartridges have almost identical ballistics at 300 yards or less. The differences even at 5 or 600 yards is still relatively small between 6 creed and 308. Plus you’ll burn a barrel out real fast with 6mms and magnums. 223 and 308 have tons of ammo and components everywhere and have good barrel life and cheap to reload.
284 winchester and wild cats are currently the most winning calibers in 1000 yd matches.
Appreciate the video and your input.What do you think about the 224 vaulkrie caliber for long range shooting?
Regardless of its "potential" with I would assume it would be better than .223 I woudnt not buy one its a caliber they gave up on. The 6mm arc would be something interesting to look to as an alternative
I've got a 308 and I shoot 180 grain in it I went to 150 grain and it still takes my shoulder do you recommend any shoulder recoil pads that I can add to the one I have
Great video as always. Can't wait for the next video, as I'm planing to buy something for mid to long range in the near future :) Would be great if you would let me know your thoughts on Howa's and Remington 700's as I think a Tikka would blow up my budget ;)
Hi Lucas in the next few weeks Ill have my review of the How 1500 HCR (howa chassis rifle) unfortunately my experience doesn't not appear to be as the other reviews that I have seen on this rifle, accuracy is ok to barely adequate, the action is really unsmooth, failures to feed. then again my experience is just one experience in contrast with the many positive reviews out there, unfortunately my experience wasn't great. now ive used some remington 700's while i find their triggers on their more budget rifles (not the x mark pro) rather disappointing their action work reliably (there not very smooth either) but accuracy does seem to be there, in my opinion once you upgrade your rem 700 with a good trigger you might not be far off form a tikka t3x varmint.
@@EpikArms Dear Alex, thanks a lot for sharing your experience with me. Maybe I should wait a paycheck more and go the Tikka way, as the cooler Remgtons are in prize pretty close to a Tikka Varmint🤔🤷🏻♂️ But first I'm going to check your next video an rifles😊👍🏻
@@lukas-ik7qe Buy Bergara HMR if you havem't bought anything yet. Best price to precision ratio, almost the same as tikka, but has way better stock.
@@imeprezime1069 I actually bought a HMR and I'm pretty happy with it😄😄😄
@@lukas-ik7qe hahahaha, glad to know. Have you taken it hunting yet, if you have what's your impresions because I'm planning on taking it hunting, but it seems a bit too heavy
If I were to advise a newcomer then ammo has to be readily available anywhere, it must also be easy to reload for with ideally plenty of data. Recoil must be controllable and not too heavy.
223 is fine out to 600 yds but that's it's limit for precision. It's cheap to shoot which is a big plus and in tight twists with longer barrels is capable of good results at 600 yds. Its low recoil and muzzle blast are a real plus making it an ideal first budget LR choice.
However, why have several rifles when wanting to stretch legs on distance? My advice is therefore to go straight to a 6.5. Any of them. Creedmor is great but in reality no better than 260 Rem nor 6.5 x 55 come to that. Still relatively inexpensive to reload for, gentle recoil and maintenance of sight picture and lots of load data. A 139gr scenar or 142gr SST pushed at between 2700 and 2800 fps gives stunning accuracy in many rifles out to over 1100 yds.
Nothing else needed. 308 is ok but really not greatvo past 800 yds unless loaded hot. 190 smks are great even through transonic so good for 1000 yds but more thumpy to shoot.
30-378 Weatherby mag. That’s my round of choice for literally everything
That looks like a hell of a cartridge!
I can’t shoot that cartridge comfortably enough to consider it for LR since muzzle brakes are not allowed.
I like to go long range Howitzering.
do you hunt with your precision riffle?
I use my tikka t3 varmint 300wsm for long range shooting ... excellent caliber.
I have a Winchester model 70 in the same caliber, can confirm it’s awesome
I bought a ruger hawkeye long range in .300 win mag. At 900m I didnt even have to adjust for wind. That round is like a bulldozer!
Do you find the Tikka T3s tend to shoot a bit slower than other rifles with the same barrel length, in the same caliber?
Absolutely. They tend to shoot 150-200fps slower than any other barrel
I’m currently looking at getting into bolt firearms, and I got a range no longer than 300m and was initially going ti get a rimfire, but I’ll probably only have one bolt action rifle, so I was really drooling over the tikka t3x tac a1. Everything about that rifle is amazing but overkill?
Well for 300m yeah anything centerfire is going to be really easy. Pointlessly so. So for hunting that's perfect but if you want to challenge yourself then 22lr either tikka t1x or the cz457 is the way to go
@@EpikArms thanks! Great video btw! Great seeing fellow canadians on this topic 👌🏽
What would you recommend for maximum 600 yard shoot for moose?
I'm not a hunter, but what seems appropriate would be 300prc (or 300 win mag to 338 lapua.) Bigger would be better
@@EpikArms I was planning to do a decent blind on the side of a lake. My closest shot would be in the 350 to 450 yards where I plan to put a salt block hoping to attract them there. But I get a zone where it is 600-650 yards 😶. I got a 270 WSM which it is plenty to reach those ranges but not sure about the lethal aspect. I guess I will plan to buy a bigger bore or maybe stick to the closest ranges (350-450 yards) with my 270 WSM. Thanks for the reply.
Are you from Saskatchewan? I think I recognize that field.
no, im in South eastern Ontario
I have a Weatherby 22-250 26" barrel 😁
I have and love my bolt action 22LR that lets me afford to practice more often. But I'd like an affordable center fire option too. So I'm looking at bolt action in 223. What chassis is your 223 used in this video mounted in? Would there be much difference between the Tikka T3x and the Savage Axix II Precision?
yeah so the rifle chassis for my .223 was the Tikka T3x Varmint in a XRS chassis (an affordable option similar to the Oryx, and the KRG bravo chassis. for precision id say yes my Savage Axis 2 precision (made a video on that one a while ago) was about a consistent 1" group and t\my tikka are about a 0.75" group on average. might seem like a small difference at 100M but at 1000 m those variation will amount to inches to feet apart depending on standard deviation and extreme spread of the velocities
@@EpikArms thanks for the info about your Tikka's chassis. I don't see myself shooting 223 to 1000 but I see your point. That quarter MOA difference in performance is significant the further one shoots.
I would check out a TC Compass or TC Compass II in 223, with a Boyds Varmit or AT-One stock. Rifle is between $300-350
I wish i could afford to shot the 6.5 creed seems pefect!
TL:DW Canadians recommend 22.3/5.56.
Thanks I’m a new shooter I want a tikka or howa but after that howa review I don’t know
Hi Juan, keep in mind my Howa was a lemon in terms of accuracy, most people get some good accuracy out of theirs. But in terms of everything else the Tikka is exponentially better, smoother actions, better triggers. In the long term you will appreciate your tikka over the howa.
Ok how’s about your bergara rifle you seem to like that better than the tikka? Thanks in advance.
Long range cartridges of the present, and the reasons why.
6.5cm . . . It's reason.
One: the ballistic coefficient of it's bullets.
Two: Lots of good manufacturers producing specialized rifles for it, along with private custom builders with tons of experience with the round.
Three: The match Grade ammunition available for the round make it easy to buy off the shelf accurate quarter minute of angel possible more so than most other rounds, making it easy to stay away from the reloading game, if your rifle is tuned in for accuracy.
Four: Rifles chambered for it are in most cases lighter than most of its big boomer brothers.
Five: The round has been through its paces in the long range shooting communities. And if you do decide to reload for it, the long range shooting communities have the bullets figured out down to a nats a.. of what works and what doesn't.
Lots of pros and very few cons for the 6.5cm
7mm-300wm
One: The round has just enough horse power to go long with it ( 1000 to 1200 yds ) and still keep its barrel life at 1500 shots fired before it erodes the barrel which at that point a well put together rifle will still shoot half minute of angel all day long everyday before the barrel needs replaced. George Banke of Mirage ULR Custom Rifles www.mirageulr.com/longrangerifles.html builds some of the best specialized long range rifles that can be bought. He builds specialized rifles for groups in the long range neutralizing of terrorists field and he builds them one at a time making sure you get just what your needing for specialized missions. Cartridges range from 7mm-300wm . . . 338 LM with a longer action to accommodate the 300gr bullet which putrudes to far down in the cartridge case for proper powder loading. His newly designed action is longer allowing the 300gr bullet to be loaded farther out of the case for proper powder to be loaded for a 3000fps + 300gr bullet firing making it one of the best sniper rifles out there for accurate precise one shot shooting if you know your business of dialing in your dope to intended target.
375 Cheytah . . . It's reasons are quite numerous as everybody knows.
One: It's bullets are custom made using a lath rendering the specialized bullet to come back through the sound barrier without causing bullet wobble making it more accurate on the other end at preferred target, very important for the bullet to get through this part of the flight without getting rocked coming out of super sonic flight.
Two: The 375 bullets buck wind changes better than it's smaller brothers.
Three: Rifles are on the heavy side making rifles chambered in this highly specialized round less prone to giving you the flinches usually caused by lighter smaller caliber rifles.
Pros and cons: Cons: Very pricey $12,000 usually to start and at $10 or higher a pop for it's special built ammunition can be rather out of most individuals purchasing power.
Pros: Top Quality Equipment insurers target gets neutralized fast and in a timely manner, meaning not taking all day to accomplish what this rifle & round can do within a few minutes of course after you've spent time with the beast getting to know it's limitations and abilities.
408 Cheytah
Same abilities as the 375 Cheytah, just bigger bullet more energy on target, but a bigger ark from barrel to intended target.
416 Berratt
Same as the two above but more of it.
And then of course you have the big 50 caliber but the rifles are extremely heavy and the three rounds above out shine it at extreme long range in accuracy and energy.
Rather long winded I know but these are my take on what's available excluding the various wildcats that are good in their own right just need deep pockets to enjoy as intended. If I missed a few please be free to beat hell out of me on here or when you see me lol I've got lots of knots on my head caused by the leaning curve I've encountered . . . Peace ✌ and try to laugh more it's healthy you know lol lol
Check out George Banke's RUclips video on the 7mm-300wm and his special longer action for the 338 Lapua Magnum ruclips.net/video/aUNuZ4Ls9w8/видео.htmlsi=mQ3SY7ids4VaMqZg
What stock is on the tikka 223?
Love your videos!
Thanks Chris!
You forgot .270 or 7mm. Check out those ballistics.
Good job. Explained well
Thanks Tom!
6.5 creed ammo is like 3x as expensive as 308. I would prefer a 6.5 but I’m certainly more budget than not.
I guess it depends where you are, here in Canada comparing hornady 308 match ammunition to hornady 6.5 match ammunition its the same
@@EpikArms When I search online the Hornady Match is about $40 for the 308 and the same Hornady Match in 6.5 Creedmoor is about $63 for the same labeled ammo here in the U.S.
hi please have a look at the Discovery 5-30x56 ffp with 34 body . I am considering buying one for my fx sniper when I get it , can’t find a proper review? Cheers
For that price I’d go with an arken sh4 4-16x50 ffp. 16x is plenty out to 1000 yards and it’s usable through the whole zoom range. Cheap scopes get pretty bad above 20x.
Hi buddy in Australia the Arken is twice the price of the Discovery, bang for buck is why I’m looking for a proper review cheers anyway
Hi Dennis, thanks for the recommendation. The discovery 5-30×56 is in their HD line, althou i havent reviewed that specific magnification i have reviewed their 4-24×50 version. And in my opinion it was quite nice for the price. Here is the link for that video
m.ruclips.net/video/DerSb0Y-d34/видео.html
no mention of 338? LOL. Great video though thank you for putting these together.
new to the channel but very impressed so far hey can i ask what style of stock do you have on your .308 bad ass
Hi felix, thanks! Yeah thats the Oryx Chasis, made my MDT, also another great affordable one is the XRS chassis.
7mm rem mag? 300 win mag?
I just dont have any experience with those 2 specifically, while the 300win mag is similar to the 300 PRC just with the bullet stuck deeper i the case allowing less case capacity
If you go for a 300 win mag, I recommend staying clear of synthetic stock. I have a mossberg patriot chambered in 300 win mag and it leaves my shoulder bruised after 8 rounds of 180 grain bullets.
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Just watching this video now. Do you have any thoughts on the .224 Valkyrie? I am looking into a precision build and have heard mixed things about the round.
Eamonn, from my understanding the benefits to that cartridge over say a precision .223 are marginal. Since you are doing a custom build something interesting to look into is a 22-250 with a 1-8" twist. Basically, turning a .223 into a magnum and there are lots of bullet selection for the heavy match stuff. At some point I will do such a build but for the time being I'm building a 6mm creedmoor
Here’s what’s problematic, barrel life on a round like .224 Valkyrie is going to be about 400 rounds for sub MOA long range performance and even 80 to 90 grain bullets from a fast twist barrel will still not get the high MOA wind constants that the 6.5’s will deliver with somewhat longer barrel life so there’s no point to a .224 Valkyrie for long range. The .223 on the other hand will get a bullet nose-on to 1000 yards but will not go where aimed without application of a great amount of knowledge about how to counter for wind, which is the point, a shooter who learns how to get .223 rounds in the X-Ring occasionally will then get more rounds in the X-Ring from a 6.5 than others having no experience with a .223 at 1000 yards and that means more wins for that guy than others. The bottom line is get a match conditioned AR with iron sights for long range practice and connect with a credentialed shooting coach and you will get to the highest plateaus of good shooting in no time.
6.5 prc is meh past 900 yards..300 prc is king now out to over a mile
I am in the markit for a rifle scope for a 243 howa 1500.. i do more hunting then target shooting what optics can i look at. I am a big vortex person ... just need some advice pls. my budget it about 700$
Well depending on what currency, im assuming its in USD. You are likely going to want a sfp, id recommend chacking out the vortex LHT used or a vortex viper HST.
@@EpikArms i am from south africa but working in Mississippi now.. thank you i will check it out
Nice video!
Thanks!
You want to get out past a 1000 go with 338 it's not quite as expensive!!!
.338lapua magnum holds the world record for longest recorded kill. What are your thoughts on it? Do you have any funs chambered in .338?
hi Timehero, no i don't have a 338 my biggest caliber is a ruger Hawkeye long range in 300WM recently purchased, so far its been really amazing for accuracy.
It does not. I’m almost certain those JTF2 soldiers were using a .50bmg. The second longest recorded kill shot was with a .338 lapua magnum though. By a British sniper team and it was a double kill.
@@mouthbreather280 You are most certainly wrong. The kill those Canadians got was recorded and it was .338LM. .50bmg has horrible reach, too heavy.
@@almostontimehero5415 can I get a source? Every article I’ve read said it was using a McMillan Tac 50. All 3 of the top 5 longest shots by Canadians was using the Tac 50 as far as I’m aware. Which is the primary 50bmg sniper used by the CAF.
Edit: and .50bmg would absolutely be able to reach out that far.