The UPSIDE to Chinese Hospitality
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Chinese people are hospitable by nature, and as a foreigner in China, you will always notice how warm people are to you. Travelling around China, you will have a good experience in smaller areas as people will invite you to their homes for meals, etc..
So, what exactly is it that I love about Chinese Hospitality? What makes it unique...
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I rewatched this video four years later and seeing Winston in China talking about the great things there made me nostalgic. China is less wonderful without him.
It's really sad thinking that many of the things he did and showed are no longer there or no longer possible
im on an old serpentza and advchina binge and these videos are honestly excellent. Wish we could see Winston and Cmilk making these videos but in other countries.
When I was in college I worked as a pizza delivery dude out here in the U.S. And in my town at least there was one universal truth about the customers - the poorer the house/neighborhood, the better tips. Mansions - I got nothing, no tips, and demanding free pizzas because you were delayed by their security gates they never gave you the code for, playing games w/you just so they can get a free pizza(s), all while having a swimming pool moat around their house. RV park, on the other hand - best tips of 'em all. So perhaps its less a cultural thing and more a universal truth. After all, you really appreciate the importance of generosity when you're poor and you have at times depended on it. Whereas if you're rich, people supposedly giving you things are often just trying to ingratiate themselves w/you in order to 'get in good' w/you, which probably makes you knowingly suspicious, and unknowingly devalue generosity in general (no idea as to the why, just speculating, but it was a phenomenon I witnessed regardless of the why). Plus, poor people living in an RV park might have been or even currently be a pizza driver and simply have a better understanding of your position and reliance on tips. Easier to have empathy for a situation you have actually experienced yourself after all.
+SmegInThePants very astute observation
I think I got to know a lot more about China in these 2 last videos. This Channel is amazing!
+James Cook thanks mate!
James Cook
What exactly did u learned?
Johan Grey The last line of the video sums it up.
i think that Johan grey is trying to say hes cuckeld. .
websuspect
Haha...wondeful comments keeps coming
You pump out some of the best RUclips content
+Vegan Hustler thanks!
@@serpentza It's actually true too.
@@serpentza your honesty and no bullshit explanations of your experiences hold incredible value and Im sure you've helped so many gain a more nuanced and true view of how China, it's people, and it's government is really like. Stay awesome forever!
Sir, you are a wonderful ambassador to not only China, but to the world at large.
Couldn't have said it any better
Wonderful video,
I do not know how it is in South Africa. Every place I have been as soon as you leave the major cities everyone tends to be very hospitable. Tours France, Phuket Thailand, Nira Japan, Kenya was amazing you could not go to someones house without them cooking for you. Even in the Southern United States. I say this as a 205 pound 6.5 foot tall black man. I am always amazed at how wonderful and giving people that do not even know you can be. I knew 1 person in Japan. When I left I knew 10. Three would come to visit me in the States. In Tours France I knew no one. 24 hours later I was moving with 20 people. It is funny because I am so guarded in the states. I always try to help out someone that cant speak english. I have been in that situation so many times in my travels.
I'm a mixed-race South African from European, Asian, and African origin, and since I am a person of a multi-ethnic background I do have the unique advantage over many other foreigners living in China, because I can blend in a lot easier with people from different ethnic groups. Nevertheless Winston, I do really like your informative videos on China whether it is positive or negative observations from your own personal experience. I don`t like political correctness, that's why I like you for being honest about your thoughts and feelings about China. I was trained as an Engineer in the oil & gas industry in France and the U.S.A. and I had worked in 4 countries in the oil & gas industry in Africa. I had worked and lived with people of all kinds of nationalities, religions, and races, and traveled to at least 12 different countries. I had been traveling in and out of China since 2009, and I had met my wife in China while I had lived in America. I had traveled all the way from Texas, and met my wife in Tianjin in 2011, and proposed to her on the Great Wall of China in 2012, and we got married in Tianjin in 2014. My wife and I had lived in Cape Town only for 9 months after we got married, and then we had decided to leave South Africa for good so we are presently living in Tianjin since 2015. I don`t miss South Africa at all, because both my parents had already died in South Africa even long before I got married in China. I love China so I have more positive things than negative things to say about Chinese people and this country in general. We are looking forward to moving down to Shenzhen in 2018 and grow our export business in the solar industry. Hopefully we do get a chance to meet in Shenzhen next year.
Hi Eldridge you story sounds interesting. What do you export?
Poor people are always the most generous.
Григорий Александров That is true even in rural Michigan USA.
Exactly
I've found that.
Murdered? When is this?
***** Oh...Well, you do not just say communist killed her parents. It is mainly the action took by citizens that killed landlord and people they don't like. The party, or the government didn't do any big things through.
This video is great - I feel like most of the videos from you are about the dark side of China, so it was nice to see Chinese people who are humorous, humble, and kind.
I've watched so many of your videos... The more I watch the more I am impressed by your candid honest portrayal of China ... You and cmilk deserve a television deal for a travel channel.. So bold to take bikes across southern and northern China .. Giving the world a window into places they would never see in normal travels... You guys are awesome
I had the same kind of experience every time I visited China. People were always very hospitable.
Wait till you start living here..you will run away from China
@ruchi, lol! Why is that? I don`t think you can scare me away, I would like to live in China.
I had the luxury of staying in Beijing for four weeks in April and May. Had a great time! You have a refreshingly honest take on life in China. Keep it up. If you are ever in Calgary I will would love to share some Canadian hospitality with you.
Stay well Winston!
Show me, show me, Bro. I just moved from Shenzhen to Calgary. Lol
Nice one...again Winston... have to admit I admire your perseverance in spite of the "comments" you get... guess you're pretty good at 'sticks and stones....' please keep up the inspiring work...
"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." is an invitation to getting beaten up. ;-D
BTW, I personally like the 'abridged' version: "Sticks and stones may break my bones. Aimed with angry art, words can sting like anything. But silence breaks the heart."
as we where covered in mud n we we went to the public conveniences to clean up a bit b4 going to our friends, as soon as we walked in the bloke looking after the conveniences came to us with 3 pairs of overall n said put them on n i'll dry your clothes while your cleaning yourselves up, it almost brought tears to my eyes the people's amazing kindness to all of us 3 youngsters from Cyprus, I have met some amazing kindness in England that i do not think i will ever find this again anywhere on earth, many times i have met with extreme kindness n fairness in England, but two other times was almost unbelievable the kindness the English have shown me, am seriously thinking to move to Shenyang my partner is from there but i will always miss England n the people
Great video, Winston. Keep making them.
What I like about your videos is that you are fair. You say things as they are. Keep up the good work, sir.
The walk and talk is great. Thank you for continuing to put out quality materials, your videos are fantastic. I will be moving to China in December and your and C Milks Channels have helped me to become prepared. Thank you!
I experienced great hospitality as well on my first trip to China a week ago. I met with some acquaintances I have made over the last couple of months and they met me face to face for the first time. When having lunch or dinner with them I felt like I have known them for years...A really hospitable country...
I'm wondering how poor Chinese travelers experience Chinese hospitality.
Would also love to see a black African traveler explore European hospitality, heh.
Hi Winston. Your Chinese experience is overall so interesting and compelling that I have been watching your videos for almost 3 hours straight and its almost 3 a.m in the morning. I have learned a lot of new things with a very direct perspective which you have about this country and its people. Thanks a lot and keep on posting your great stuff.
I always enjoy the true honesty that Winston reflects in all his videos including these last two regarding the good and bad. Also nice to hear how he and I imagine C-milk both return the hospitality and graciousness in there own way if possible. As someone else commented awhile ago..I can't stop watching this guy. Great comment as so true! Thank you Winston.
One thing that I will never forget, about 10 years ago I was in Mecca with two friends during the Hajj (Pilgrimage) and as part of the Hajj we had to spend the night in a open place called Muzdalifa, our sleeping bags were in our bus that broke earlier that day so we found ourselves without our sleeping bags that night, so we began searching for some cardboard boxes to sleep over, while we were doing that a very poor Pakistani man thought we were looking for food in the trash so he took the only food he had and offered it to us. I was very moved and almost wasn't able to thank him (I don't know the right expression in english but in portuguese we say "estar com um nó na garganta" which literally means to have a knot in the throat, an expression used when we are so moved and we feel like there is a knot that stops us from even talking)
In America we call that "getting choked up." :)
In germany we call that "sprachlos" which would mean something like "no speech/speak" (because its so incredibel). I think that phrase is in mutch languages.
@k l Actually Brazilian Muslim convert.
Love your videos..you deserve more subscribers!
This video is so damn heartwarming, YOU'RE AWESOME and you are able to bring out the awesome in so many people you meet!
Nice mate, you are always balanced - you would present both sides of the story. I can relate with both sides of the Chinese hospitality having been there myself in 2013 & 2014 - in Xinjiang and Ningxia mainly.
Good video Winston.
Could you make a video on Typhoons and cover things like 'how often', 'does everything shut down', 'where do people go when a typhoon hits', 'are there emergency evacuations centres' etc
i.e. Surviving China when a typhoon hits.
yes. back when hippies were ruling the planet :-)
I personally like the way you tell us your experiences and the way you express yourself in this channel about your topics of choice; even though some people do not understand or like the way you present your ideas but there will always be such people.
All over the world, the indigenes are always nice. Even the officials , if you are to meet them individually, are nice people. It is when ' officiallity' get involved, that is when people get nasty.
Bang on. I was going to say that in my comment, and forgot. It is usually the poorest that share. Noticed that in my travels all over the world, especially in Mexico, where I see super kindness off the touristy paths
I guess the rich people have something to lose, but the poor have nothing to lose
By the way, Winston, you have a gem of a wife.
The two videos on hospitality show why I really like your video series. You show the good and the bad. You don't hide anything, and you don't set out to make China look different from what it really is. Your videos are really helpful and would be useful for somebody who wanted to live in China. Thank you so much.
+puppetsock thank you, that comment means a lot
Hi Winston - thank you for ANOTHER great video - I really enjoy your work - cheers mate!
Well done Winston. Thanks for sharing! I always enjoy the honesty in your videos.
I'd highly recommend the Conquering Southern China documentary to anyone reading. Was well worth the money and I can't wait for the next one!
Great vid. Love the serpentza channel
If a chinese host doesn't give you sand peanuts, they don't really like you
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@@sonnyboy2909 its about the downside of hospitality. The other video. A local boss offered sandy homegrown peanuts
FoodforThought hahahahha
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Or animal organs *Vomit*
Good stuff Winston, Love it ! thanks for sharing.
I find it amazing you can talk while walking....and telling amazing stories. I should watch all of your videos!
Wonderful videos. Filling a gap in our understanding of another culture...... can only be a good thing to have knowledge of others who share our planet. Your experience of China is invaluable in making these very entertaining videos, keep at it.
Great stories. Thank you for telling us of your travels and experiences. I've watched a number of your videos and learn more about China with every video.
:) People love focusing on the negatives, but you like to focus on both positive and negative to try and be as unbiased as you can in your videos to let us make our own thoughts from the information you present. Always love this.
Great video, I really want to have a look at your conquering southern china video. Will support you when I get my wages. Looking forward to it!
I have downloaded it and it really is amazing, I highly recommend it!
CyberMedic1000 You will not regret it. Well worth the money. I love the fact that they show things exactly as they are. Cheers
CyberMedic1000 Why? you want to subjugate the southerners? I love both, because love is infinite energy.
FreelanceArt101 I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. I want to watch a cool video, what does that have to do with subjugation?
His comment doesn't make any sense, CyberMedic1000. I think he's trying to make a joke about "conquering" and "Southern China" as a political and military thing, not realizing that "love conquers all" - Buddha or someone.
That's a great Video, And that's what I love about China also, their so Hospitality and friendly. I find that when you talk to them, their surprised that you take the time to interact with them. I make sure it's fun for both of us.
The high majority of rural and urban people throughout the entire world are friendly and full of nothing but love. That's the truth.
Just found your videos recently and find them fascinating, having been in a relationship with a Chinese girl this hospitality video is spot on.
I agree with you on the genuine kindness, openness, and hospitality of the Chinese people and their culture. I live in Toronto Ontario Canada and wonder how many of us would open our homes to total strangers. Great videos. Thank you.
i would love to purchase concurring southern china it looks amazing. Unfortunately being a student i cannot afford it, your content is amazing keep up the good work.
I have been very fortunate to meet so many good people in China
Including you Winston
you make china sound lovely.
i can't speak for the whole country but if you ever visit canada i can assure you that the people here are very similar with the hospitality.
the largest difference is that here we are generally a lot wealthier so it is perhaps not as big a deal for us to give strangers a meal.
many times though, especially in the winter, if someone gets stuck the neighbors will come out to help get you unstuck, and you may well find yourself enjoying a warm home cooked meal.
i would really hope this sort of hospitality is more common than you might think, i have experienced it often in my own travels around europe and south east asia. not so much in the usa though i am sure it happens there too.
Absolutely! I was always most moved by the hospitality of poor people who did not know me. It also made taking walks around my house fun when the poor neighbors and I would start to recognize each other and exchange daily pleasantries. Sometimes at the market people would give me things for free. Other times, we would actually negotiate backwards - they would tell me it was free, and I would say how about 5 yuan, and they'd say "No way! Too much!" And we'd go back and forth until I end up giving them 1 or 2 yuan! Everyone laughed and enjoyed the spectacle!
Winston, I thoroughly enjoy your videos, which I just stumbled upon wandering around RUclips. It seems as though we are just sitting over a pot of tea (lol) and you are telling me your stories. I am not likely to ever go to China, or anywhere else outside the US, as I don't fly, and am getting older, but you seem to have embraced the culture to the extent that I can get a small taste of the culture there. Thank you.
Awesome video. Thank you, I'm off the see the conquering southern China series :)
The unexpected kindness of strangers, especially when you are so far from home is a;ways a heart-warming experience.
Sorry to hear you won't be taking the 'vet through Illinois, but perfectly understandable.
I travel a bit on business. If I get near your path, I would love to buy you a brew.
I'm been learning Chinese language for 5 years and I can not begin to tell you how much I have learn from your videos.
We love you Winston.
"Welcome to another weedio" The best hospitality
yoo nice video , as always, stay awesome yourself
Wicked N7 jacket, love it! Video is great too, of course :)
Gday serpentza, thanks alot for all your videos mate, ive just finished watching your southern china trip, and a few of your more recent uploads.
many thanks, and keep up the good work!
+Brian Waylen thanks mate, I seriously appreciate that
I went to Shanghai and Beijing a couple of months before the Olympics by myself and EVERYONE was as nice as possible. Customs was so polite compared to American customs and the people figured out I was alone and adopted me and welcomed me into their homes and showed me a grand time. I love China and Chinese people!
Wonderful !! Great explanations of how it is and really entertaining.
*Welcome to another video,*
it never gets old ^_^
It's good to see videos that are contrary to the stereotype of angry, rude, and inhospitable Chinese people
In crowded and anonymous circustances is where the rudeness is mostly, as everywhere else .
That's just poor people in cities.
Rural poor people are usually fine.
Wherever you go.
Once I was travelling with a friend in Bangkok. We were looking for the offices of a Christian organisation where I was supposed to meet some people, but we got lost. I saw a taxi stand and said why not try asking a taxi driver? They'll probably know where it is. We walked over and asked the first cab driver we saw. He only spoke a few words of English, but we discovered he was Chinese, and spoke the same dialect as my friend. As it turned out, he was even from the same area that her family originated from. From that moment on, he happily offered his services as our chauffeur, tour guide and interpreter for the rest of our week-long stay in Bangkok! He translated everything from Thai to Chinese, which my friend in turn translated into German for me. When he drove us to the airport for our flight to Singapore, I wanted to give him something for all his trouble, but my friend said that would be a great dishonour, as he had insisted doing all this for free. It was one of the most amazing trips I have ever had, and I'll be forever grateful for his incredible hospitality!
I really enjoy your videos!
I am not exactly sure how to express this without sounding folksy and like a hipster wannabe. Having farmed, it is a great part of your makeup to share. It builds the best things about humanity. When you know how difficult it is to extract everything that you need directly from the environment around you, that informs how precious life is and the relationships that we have with our sphere of influence. It is not an exchange rate; it is a commitment. To not share is something of a sin against the land. That is true hospitality.
On one occasion when I was in Kuiming I was traveling alone and one person invited me into the company excursion and cared for me all day and took me around with their whole company and shared lunch with me and just amazing and still stay in touch with them really friendly and felt totally safe and so hospitable and it's just lovely refreshing
Another fantastic video. Subbed.
As always a fine video
Awesome video!!! Hooray for human beings!!!
Hey Winston, just wanna say I love watching your videos. I lived in China myself for six months and every time I see a video of yours I want to go back.
I am curious though, if it's not too rude, but how do you make a living out there? I'm under the impression you make your living through RUclips, but is that it?
Cheers!
+A Piece of Rhys yes, that's it at the moment, RUclips and patreon
That's fantastic! Good luck to you buddy. Have fun in the US!
I went to China with my girlfriend and she wanted to come back to the UK to pursue a masters degree so we came back together.
I'd love to go back though, I had the time of my life out there. Perhaps we will at some point.
Sounds like he's made some important contributions. Sorry I didn't reply to your earlier comment, by the way. I think I'd like to live in modern China but close enough to traditional China so that I can explore.
Turn off capslock, you dumbass.
Great video.
Hi Winston, I just start to look your video "the Downside of Chinese hospitality" and I have one advice. The shoot in your car is a good idea, but please don't do it on the highway. The background is moving toooo fast, and it's uncomfortable to look.
Thanks again for your always good content, and as always stay awesome !!
Wow these videos bring me to back to an era before ZERO COVID!
I loving watching your video because you have a great observation around your living. You alway telling the true.
Very informative as usual sure
Like it Alot. I went to Shenzhen but did not get out of the big city. Hope I can one day. I love the rual life. I enjoy those videos out in the bundocks. Did you know bundock is a Filipino word for mountains.
Great video.
特地上来支持毒蛇za。Great video
awesome vid bro- faith restored :)
Dear Serpentza, I have been in the same situation many times in China. In this video, I feel you are trying to make up for the previous video where you talk about what you dislike about Chinese hospitality.
Sad that this upside video has less then half the views of the downside video. Keep up the good work Winston.
Love the videos.
I'm planning on moving from Aus to China once I finish my degree.
How long did it take you to learn the language and become fluent, perhaps a video idea?
Me , my son and my wife was in Haikou when the storm hit, it was an experience I do not wish to try again.
The house we lived in was shaking more than two days, and how the city looked afterwards was not pretty.
street lighting low down in many places, the same with trees and other things. . Many tiles of the houses was shattered on the streets everywhere. . . once is enough, now I know!
thanks for making these videos, I never had any desire to go there before your videos. Now I kind of do, but first I have to finish exploring my own country, the U.S. for me anyway might take a lifetime. Thank you for the knowledge of current culture though as that's a hard to understand in writing or just in general. As an Irish/native American that has hung out with a bunch of different ethnic groups, I love trying to just figure out why people act the way they do.
+Jason Broph awesome, I'll be adventuring in the States next week!
Have you ever visited other countries? im a South american who now calls the US home, but i find out that every time you experience other countries/cultures, you learn even more about your own. There's no need to "finish exploring" the US first, in order to visit China, you can do both! Plus, I don't think a lifetime is enough to finish exploring either the US or the whole world. im 34 now and my goal is to have visited 28 countries by age 50, cheers
Hi Winston, as always love your videos, and hope you have a great time in USA!
I just wanted to say maybe consider Netflix for CSC. I've said this a couple times to C-Milk I believe + watched the show myself on Vimeo. It's just that no one watches Vimeo. Perhaps ask around in America if anyone uses Vimeo vs. Netflix. It's just the quality of your production is excellent, and Netflix could give you some really good organic reach (help it blow up).
Winston. did you ever look at Biltmore estate in Asheville nc as a stopover? much better than Charlotte North Carolina. the Christmas decorations at the estate are amazingly awesome
I refused a beer (that I didn't ask for/was sent over by ownee, as soon as I sat) @ Thai restaurant I've gone to for years. I refused because I became sober. Totally offended owner and he never was hospitable afterwards. ❤villages & its people- so raw & so much charm! So much better than all the gross materlistic developments & stores!
Great stuff :-)
Man your videos are so good. Why people always get so angry there are goo things and bad things here in China but I personally like it here. I moved to and learned allot before from watching these videos.
keeping going with great success
this channel is amazing.... India and China are only two countries my country touches.... if my basic knowledge about India is 10%, knowledge about China is 0.0000001%.... you have made it possible to learn something about my neighboring yet alien like country... thank you so much
I haven't seen a beer review four a long long time did you stop making them?
Another awesome Future Synth track! I use "audio hijack" on the mac to stream rip future synth playlists from spotify. Start it at night, wake up in the morning with 100 tracks.
what if you were to invite him to your home and you prepared a meal for him and he refused because he is rich and you are poorer, so he doesn't value your friendship. would that be rude of him?
so what is the problem with refusing him, why would that be rude if he would do the same to you?
My mother's grandpa went to china way back and got mugged and assaulted in the streets of a rural area with everything stolen except for his undies, he then walked towards the more populated area and started begging for money, a random passerby gave him enough money for clothes and a trip back to the airport. He asked for the stranger's address and bank details so that when he returned home, he will transfer the money back to him.
Back then both of them are average income wise not rich but not poor. My great grandpa then transfered money to the stranger every month when he returned to his home country even after his death. The stranger was pinning fliers of my g.grampa in china looking for that man whom he met with just words and a name describing/hinting about him and waited for 40 years. The situation came to light when he caught wind of a person with the same name died and was posted in social media which someone from the stranger's side found and my uncle was contacted by him which they went to china for a visit.
A few months later the stranger's grandson is marrying someone and we were all invited. During which we did not spend a single yuan there and got lots of free stuff.
Great video! I just purchased Conquering Southern China and watched the first 5 minutes or so, and it looks awesome! Great production quality too.Do you plan on releasing your American trip on Vimeo as well?
+Inscidium my American trip should be up here on my channel :)
Awesome.
'Face' is not always the most important aspect to Chinese people, while of course it is in some cases, but more often it's more complicated than simply saying 'face' is such an important thing, for example, very often, when Chinese peole invite you for a cup of tea, or a meal, they have just been polite (in CH Keqi) and expecting you to politely refuse.
As a Chinese, I feel this hospitality really tiring sometimes. Ever since young, Our parents had it drummed into us that if someone come by, we have to serve them meals, make sure they well treated. On the other hand, if we are the visitors, we have to avoid staying over for diner and troubling the others. So never visit at dining time. The same way goes to other situations as well. And it's more of a responsibility than out of genuine affections. Not necessarily just face. I did poorly, always end up staying over dining, receiving gifts, receiving money....
I enjoy your vids a lot and have been on a splurge recently. Great job. Gives us a fantastic insight into what is going on. Lots of great things to comment about, so fantastic job overall, but I still want to say a couple of words about the 2 on hospitality. I do agree that the one on the downside, while making very good points worth noting would indeed have been better without making the host look bad. I would suggest some editing. But I can see how that might have been unintentionally overlooked during speedy editing etc. More to the point about this one on the upside, I could not help thinking that you hit on one of the big points when it comes to hospitality given by poor people, which is was ironically put forth in your own comments about folks coming out of their houses afterward, and that is whether you have inadvertently changed the whole hospitality context by offering the money. IOW, has the system been adversely affected? Will it still be genuine if people start expecting money? Again, great job on the vids!
Have you guys motorcycled to West China, Xinjiang area? I am thinking to do this trip and enter Central Asia.
it's raining so much here in niagara falls canada also
Very true; despite hijacking your time, people are very generous and would split the last piece of rice if it came down to it. The advantage goes to the tourist, who CAN turn down someone's invitation and not deal with the fallout. In fact, they are safer not accepting hospitality for reasons detailed on your Beijing scams video.
Should do a video on shared Confucian beliefs in Asia. "Face", "family", etc
Interesting question. In my own travels I've done similar to you, given a sort of tip of amazing hospitality for those who care hardly afford it. But it has kept me up some nights since thinking while the individual act was positive, have I opened the door for these people to learn that travelers or westerns just toss money around as if it is nothing and also should be expected to pay more or for things locals would not. For example 10 years ago I lived in costa rica then went back for a wedding only 3 years later and found many of the areas we spend most of our time were completely changed and now everything was two times more expensive and everyone wanted to take advantage of us as 'tourists'. It went from gracious acts as hosts mostly to just a terrible experience similar to being in a market where everything became a negotiation. Then again people discovering tourism as an economy is that so bad? I certainly don't have the answers...