It has come to my attenattention that PSBBN at the moment ONLY supports hard drives up to 120GB / you would not be able to use more than that with a bigger one due to a file system limitation, so choose your HDD/SSD wisely and also: when I say you can’t emulate the network adapter on PCSX2 I mean SPECIFICALLY in the context of running PSBBN It still does work for other stuff :)
I don't recall the exact cause, but the same drive size limitation exists for PSPs as well. I never knew it existed until I modded my PSP go to accept micro SD cards. You'll want to run custom firmware if you ever try and then enable the overclock feature in the xmb to prevent file read stutter playing videos and music. I thought I did something wrong after performing the mod but it just needed a little extra oomph to get it to work as it should.
The reason for PSBBN not coming to the west literally being "your internet sucks" is actually amazing, and honestly sensible. I know folks tech circles will have tend to be the type to say "oh I had DSL/Cable in 2001!" but most people I knew didn't have anything beyond dial-up or very low-end DSL until 2006-2007. Sony not wanting to deal with the headache of the average customer calling in blaming them for a poor experience because the west's broadband infrastructure wasn't providing their minimum required speeds feels like a rare example of a "reasonable" region lock.
Well, this is a very interesting story about how companies look at the markets of different countries. For example, in Ukraine we didn't have any licensed first and second PS, nor did we have any NON-pirated games for them, and we didn't even know that the PS2 had any other network functions. Then, of course, there were already licensed and advanced 3 and 4 PS, but since it was a license, no one in my family could afford it.
There were also vast differences in DSL deployment between countries. The USA were very late on that aspect, several countries in Europe struggled with this throughout the entire 2000s, and for some reason, by 2004-2005 dial-up modems were already almost fully replaced with high-speed broadband connections in France.
This makes a lot of sense. Thinking about my own timeline: I grew up in a third-world country (the US), and absolutely only had dialup Internet when the PS2 was launched, but got my first cable modem shortly after (something like 256Kb x 64Kb, IIRC. So fast, huh?) Fast forward, life happened, I moved in with my GF who got a PS2 just before the PS2 Slim was launched, meaning all of this BBN stuff would've been winding down. At that point, we had DSL. But even that was only like 512Kb x 128Kb.
11:22 the ps1 cpu can't be used to run ps1 games from hdd because it's being used in ps2 mode as an hdd and network controller. Sony decided to recycle it to be useful in ps2 mode too (also running at a higher clock in that mode)
I was jut going to ask if it was being used for something else, because from my knowledge (by default while in game) it is used as a I/O controller but I think it would also be entirely programmable by the game devs to be more useful, but if it is managing the HDD and Network it makes sense that they couldn't reprogram it to run PS1 games from the HDD.
@@linoxyard so same thing for the 3DS with the Arm11 and the Arm9(+Arm7), with the second one taken from the NDS family (and the third one from the GBA) and used as a security processor in 3DS mode. Access to the SD for DS games is possible if you went in unlocked TWL mode instead of NTR mode, that is taking advantage of the DSi hardware upgrades instead of being limited to the restrictions of the original DS, but access to the SD was really slow for similar reasons as the PS2 with the HDD since the Arm11 is disabled, and it took several years to make a flashcard-less loader of DS and DSi games for the 3DS and DSi too. Bless the TWL team. (Also you can use the Arm7 in AGB mode to play GBA games natively btw)
Every time I watch a f4mi video I’m blown away by the production value. It’s the small things, like taking the tape degradation away around 4:47 when fading out and back in to show off the PSBBN software. I’ve been on RUclips since 2007 and I watch all sorts of stuff, from gaming/technology videos like these to woodworking. Maybe it’s the elder Gen Z in me that likes all the 2000s-based nostalgia, but this has got to be one of my favorite channels I have ever come across.
Everybody always talks about hiding weed in there but I only did that one time when i was at my grandmother's beach house and it REEKED up the whole house as soon as the ps2 got the slightest bit warm. Terrible hiding spot.
"Anything can read CD's [...] Your Grandma could do it if she had a laser pointer" This was so unexpected, I couldn't try to predict the next word in that sentence 6:00
My grandma was so good at real-time de-interleaving, 14-to-8 demodulation, and decoding Reed-Solomon codes. I used to fall asleep to her reading the subchannels to me.
Until he was rendered blind, my grandfather had a close relationship with computers for most of his adult life. He gave stories about how he was involved in wireless transmission tests between computers in his college in the early 1960s, and probably had to work with computers in his job at MARTA. His basement still has a complex computer setup, as he turned part of it into an office in the 1990s. That and my great-grandmother (his mother in law), having been raised on a Virginia farm probably even without electricity, became rather good at Wii bowling in her nineties.
I loved this I was really into computers as a kid and super annoying to boot I bugged my dad soooo much to get this kits for me and he did it. He was a bit surprised at how much time I spent on it. I never had my own PC so my desk setup was a dreamcast plugged into a monitor for web browsing (i preffered the setup) and the PS2BB sat along side it running linux and getting 2 hours of sleep after FFXI sessions. I bought a Phat PS2 recently from a thrift shop and in the weed draw was weed crumbs and several break up letters. I hope whoever that was is in a better place today.
The never-ending war between "unauthorized users" and Sony is a story that reminds us all of one thing: no matter how bad times get, no matter how ironclad the methods of the corporation get, nothing can come between you and your god given right to shitpost anywhere you please across the world wide web.
if i learned anything from being around for the early PSP homebrew scene, its that Sony can try as hard as they can to stop us but will never be able to outsmart random nerds on the internet with a desire to shitpost and play emulators on their expensive new console lmao
Unless you're in Europe and the UK where it's a crime big enough that they threaten to extradite people to their countries to charge and sentence them.
Regarding BBN camera compatibility, 20 Sony digital still cameras and 14 digital video cameras are officially compatible with the BBN, and one page used a Sony Cyber-shot DSC-F707 to test the functionality.
An even more interesting feature is data installation, a feature that has been officially implemented in some PS2 software. FFX (including International), some Winning Eleven titles (Japanese PES), Kingdom Hearts 1 (including Final Mix), etc. are supported, and I have confirmed that I can use it on my BBN (NTSC J), and some Korean versions of software are also supported. The A Train 2001 Complete Edition also has a function that allows you to install additional contents to the HDD.
@@bhume7535 The site where the functionality was tested had a link about BBN, which I tried to access on archive but got a 404 error, so the page may have been deleted between 2002~2003. (The archive was from 2004). However, it is possible that it is being addressed.
@@bhume7535 The site where the functionality was tested had a link about BBN, which I tried to access on archive but got a 404 error, so the page may have been deleted between 2002~2003. (The archive was from 2004). However, it is possible that it is being addressed.
@@bhume7535 The site where the functionality was tested had a link about BBN, which I tried to access on archive but got a 404 error, so the page may have been deleted between 2002~2003. (The archive was from 2004). However, it is possible that it is being addressed.
The BBN was, for several years for me, a total nightmare to set up. It only worked when I finally got a legitimate network adapter and a Samsung IDE drive. Now, it’s much easier to get running- now loaded onto a SATA-converted adapter with a laptop drive.
how can this funny blue haired woman on the internet find all these strange things from the 2000s... everytime i think i have seen it all, she comes and smacks me with another random accessory no one knows about. funny blue haired woman makes me feel funny things. :)
So I was procrastinating work (WFH) and was about to get off RUclips, and then saw your video on my feed. I just couldn't resist, as I always liked your videos. I'm a big PS2 fan and have multiple NTSC-J units with authentic network adapter and always thought that I would install the English patched PSBBN someday. Now I just can't wait to do this. Screw work!! 😅
I'm so glad I found your channel! I love these kinds of deep dives on old tech combined with modern attempts to keep them working for historical/archival purposes.
Yay a f4mi video. That was a really cool thing to see. It makes me want to dig out my PS2 and finally finish setting up the network adapter and hard drive. Great content as always!!
8:29 fun fact: you COULD actually use a USB keyboard on the Xbox dashboard. If you have the Phantasy Star Online USB Keyboard adapter (or, more likely, a USB controller port needed for modding) you can type away with the USB keyboard. I don’t know why Microsoft added the feature, but it’s appreciated nonetheless.
@godofmediocrity7572 probably because phantasy star online for the dreamcast had the keyboard and mouse functionality as did a lot of dreamcast games to make playing online similar to on PC
Original xbox used standard usb connections with an extra connector for light guns, and basic keyboard support is baked in from when the os was running on PC based dev kits
I wish i could use BBN instead of OPL to play my backup games, the UI is so satisfying and unique. The main issue I'm seeing is PSBBN has a storage limit, where having over 128GB of content installed prevents it from booting, which isn't a lot of space to work with. There hsve been attempts to work around this but the last post I saw was in May.
Big mood. OPL is fantastic but doesn't look all that nice really. That and the other big bit of PS2 Homebrew being worked on, XEB+, is basically just trying to replicate, what else, the goddamn XMB from the PS3 and PSP. XMB is fine on those consoles but on the PS2 I want PS2 vibes damnit, I want whooshy ambience and cool shades of blue and cool 3D shenanigans. I would love for PS2BBN to be able to act as a proper full on replacement for modded PS2's though, that would just be sooooo freaking cool. Sadly the drive size limitations are... Yeah
Oh, this is so cool! I thought I knew everything I could ever know about the PS2, but I never had came across of all the features of the PSBBN - I knew it existed, but didn't knew it was so powerful and cool! And the production of the video was so top tier! This is the first time I'm watching one of your videos and I was genuinely impressed, one of the coolest videos I saw on the internet in a really long time!
I remember being completely amazed at "Central Station". Just being able to use my PS2 to connect online, read game news and send DMs to other players felt huge. Something like this would have blown me away completely.
a new f4mi video is the highlight of my week/month because f4mi tends to go down the same kinds of insane rabbit holes I go on and very few channels on youtube are hitting that mood
And here I thought I knew everything odd and weird about the PS2. You completely nailed the video f4mi. This is an absolutely interesting and awesome dive into an obscure part of the PS2's history. Great work!
Ok so this is one of the most interesting Videos about console Hardware/Software ive seen in a long time. First time ever hearing about it and a great Video as always! (Btw i bought the logitech z-10 speakers and a used harmony remote and they are amazing. The speakers have an awesome sound for the price if you get them for around 50€ and im working towards getting my steam deck/tv setup to wake up with just a command from the harmony, its replaced 3 other remotes so far and i love it) Long story short keep up the awesome content!
idk how i've never heard anyone talk about psbbn before because it actually looks like the coolest thing ever. when i get a network adapter for my ps2 i'm definitely gonna install it, banger video
This channel is a goldmine. So interesting to see how Sony changed the UI and functions to compete with the Xbox in the japanese market. Besides the change of the 360 away from the Blade-Theme I think I don’t know any other substantial redesign like this.
Some of the most unique and interesting topics delivered in such a unique, compelling, and aesthetic way. I love this channel so much. The videos are just brilliant.
The PS2 had less features than the Dreamcast in everywhere but Japan. Bruh. Hell, even the Dreamcast's huge success in the US didn't get us half the crap Japan got. I own a Dreameye, a Japan exclusive webcam and camera for the Dreamcast. Japan always gets the cool shit I swear.
Had no idea any of this existed. I still don't know how to describe your channel, besides that I learn something new after watching every video. Great video as usual!
Great video, thank you for making it! I hadn't thought about my old PS2 in a long while, I'm sure I still have it kicking around in a box somewhere with the HDD and the network card. Definitely utilized the heck outta that network card playing boat loads of Metal Gear Online.
😂 this is great, I saw a video from 3yrs ago "wonder if they still makes videos" ya do and they are good informative and funny. I liked the editing in the 3yr old video really got me. Subbed
the style of the whole UI and especially the game channels is how „future UI“ and „the internet“ was advertised back then. Except it was real in this case and still feels futuristic and exciting even though it‘s fairly old stuff at this point.
I was expecting like dreamcast levels of dlc, browsing and just standart online stuff you're able to do on dc Not a fully fletched os we wouldn't see until '05 with the xbox 360 Also this explains a lot why the ps3 has those 2 os menu styles: the more modern, themed, one and the one in black with white lines you get in backwards compatibility and internal system related things; they just reused the psbbn os as a basis there and the ps3 os on top
I bought a japanese PS2 from my first trip to Japan and wanna try installing this ! That was such a cool and interesting video, can't wait to watch more
I'm kinda surprised I didn't know about this. Like I knew about the PSX DVR console, but this being a full on firmware upgrade for the original system is pretty wild. The interface is pretty awesome too, so sleek.
PS2 HDD is actually the best and most useful feature of that entire generation of consoles. Up to this day HDD is by far the most easy and superior way of playing ps2 games. As it is super trivial to get up and running, it loads games a lot faster than DVD, USB, or LAN and is just so extremely convenient. Sony removed it to prevent that hacking in the future (of course that didn't work for them either)
Never heard of PSBBN before this. Very convoluted UI but very ambitious and cool for it's time. "which is arguably more dangerous than AGI" .. *Looks up AGI*. Yep, that sounds about right.
The "Digital Camera" feature on the Photo Channel can be used with any FAT32 formatted USB mass storage device. Some of the game channels also let you download pictures that are then added to the Photo Channel
14:40 You can also move save data between your memory cards and the hard drive on a stock PS2. I've been making backups of all of my memory cards for years with this method. When you select a save file on your memory card, it gives you the option to copy it to either the other memory card inserted or the hard drive.
@f4micom I bought my hard drive used (it's the official Sony 40GB model), and I noticed that a few things about my bios changed after putting it in my PS2 for the first time. Maybe the previous owner installed some kind of update? The hard drive came with Final Fantasy XI, Tetra Master, and Play Online Viewer installed. Here are my system specs according to the Version Information screen on the main menu: Console: SCPH-30001R Browser: 2.00 CD Player: 1.30 Playstation Driver: 1.10 DVD Player: 2.10U Mac Address: idk too many numbers (This console is from May 2002 btw) My guess is that the hard drive updated the browser when I first inserted it? Here's how it compares to a few of my other PS2 consoles (one older and one newer): 1. Console: SCPH-30001 Browser: 1.20 CD Player: 1.20 Playstation Driver: 1.10 DVD Player: 1.20U (This unit is from Q4 2000) 2. Console: SCPH-70012 Browser: 1.40 CD Player: 2.00 Playstation Driver: 1.11 DVD Player: 3.10U MAC Address: too many numbers (This unit is from March 2005) It looks like my PS2 with the hard drive is running the newest browser, so the previous owner must've gotten an update onto the hard drive somehow. Maybe it was part of the Final Fantasy XI or Play Online Viewer downloads? These are all NTSC consoles sold in the USA btw.
@mazda9624 the PS2 patches its stock OSDSYS on every bootup by reading from the memory card, or in your case the HDD for any valid updates. it's what makes softmod installs so trivial eg freemcboot/freehddboot
Yep, hard drives come with a Browser 2.0 update that updates that main menu thingy. However, once you cross 128GB of data on the hard drive, the browser crashes unless you use the patched Browser update.
The OG xbox used memory cards too, you insert them in the controller.... and the Black eye peas were as big as tailor swift back then, yep that´s how times work
It's fascinating to see how this worked on the PS2 in comparison to how it was on Dreamcast, where the modem was included as standard and the only limiting factor was having a dial up service and the boot disc (outside the US you could pick your own provider as well, so you could get a reasonable deal for the time instead of being forced to use the one from Sega. The stock modem was really slow, even for the time, but I believe that there was an upgraded one for the seven people who had broadband and a Dreamcast between 1998 and 2000. All the same, it's interesting to see how much more developed the online experience was for Dreamcast in comparison to this 1980s-style bulletin board system with a fancy UI overlaid onto it. ) Obviously, Dreamcast never got the additional storage needed to download things that couldn't fit on a single memory card but it was planned to get a zip drive, so it may have been possible to do more with it eventually. You could basically have a budget alternative to a PC at that point if you were using keyboard and mouse and plugging into a VGA monitor. Maybe the "print" key could have eventually performed a function lol.
It's not Japan only (not entirely anyways). The PS2 Linux Kit (which I own) contained the hardware. They made 10k worldwide. The HDD was also useful (unofficially) with a disc that allowed you to rip games to it.
when i first heard about this in 2018, i was mind-blown. my favourite channel will always be playstation now because of the music. to this day, i listen to it as my music playlist.
I actually accidentally found one 14 years ago. Thought nothing of it back then I was too busy playing PS3 online. Regrets now. I did think I’d be able to install windows on it. Nope. Learned quick
Great work! This is the video that I was waiting a long time ago. Many of the info were only in Japanese and other videos were too technical or they over summarize what PSBB does. I'll move to Japan next year and I'm definitely buy a PS2 and walkmans to create a piracy kingdom 😅 well at least I can buy things that we don't have here to explore the entire OS.
Strongly appreciate that PS5 joke. Your content is spot-on, as usual. Surprised I hadn't heard about any of this stuff before, which is rare for me these days.
It has come to my attenattention that PSBBN at the moment ONLY supports hard drives up to 120GB / you would not be able to use more than that with a bigger one due to a file system limitation, so choose your HDD/SSD wisely
and also: when I say you can’t emulate the network adapter on PCSX2 I mean SPECIFICALLY in the context of running PSBBN
It still does work for other stuff :)
You should look into installing a 1tb HDD into the ps2 for OPL which lets you install any ps2 game you want onto the HDD!
I don't recall the exact cause, but the same drive size limitation exists for PSPs as well. I never knew it existed until I modded my PSP go to accept micro SD cards. You'll want to run custom firmware if you ever try and then enable the overclock feature in the xmb to prevent file read stutter playing videos and music. I thought I did something wrong after performing the mod but it just needed a little extra oomph to get it to work as it should.
Should look into Police 24/7 as that used a Webcam that had a list of compatible webcams as the game came out before the EyeToy.
The PS2 has a webcam called "EyeToy".
Specifically, as stated on the GitHub page, "Lacks support for large HDDs so drives larger than 130 GB cannot be taken full advantage of."
The reason for PSBBN not coming to the west literally being "your internet sucks" is actually amazing, and honestly sensible. I know folks tech circles will have tend to be the type to say "oh I had DSL/Cable in 2001!" but most people I knew didn't have anything beyond dial-up or very low-end DSL until 2006-2007.
Sony not wanting to deal with the headache of the average customer calling in blaming them for a poor experience because the west's broadband infrastructure wasn't providing their minimum required speeds feels like a rare example of a "reasonable" region lock.
I got ADSL in my home in circa 2011, and actual fiber just last year in my corner of Europe.
Japan having broadband in the 2000 sounds crazy.
Well, this is a very interesting story about how companies look at the markets of different countries. For example, in Ukraine we didn't have any licensed first and second PS, nor did we have any NON-pirated games for them, and we didn't even know that the PS2 had any other network functions. Then, of course, there were already licensed and advanced 3 and 4 PS, but since it was a license, no one in my family could afford it.
There were also vast differences in DSL deployment between countries. The USA were very late on that aspect, several countries in Europe struggled with this throughout the entire 2000s, and for some reason, by 2004-2005 dial-up modems were already almost fully replaced with high-speed broadband connections in France.
East Asia has the best internet in the world, so it’s not shocking
This makes a lot of sense. Thinking about my own timeline: I grew up in a third-world country (the US), and absolutely only had dialup Internet when the PS2 was launched, but got my first cable modem shortly after (something like 256Kb x 64Kb, IIRC. So fast, huh?) Fast forward, life happened, I moved in with my GF who got a PS2 just before the PS2 Slim was launched, meaning all of this BBN stuff would've been winding down. At that point, we had DSL. But even that was only like 512Kb x 128Kb.
11:22 the ps1 cpu can't be used to run ps1 games from hdd because it's being used in ps2 mode as an hdd and network controller. Sony decided to recycle it to be useful in ps2 mode too (also running at a higher clock in that mode)
WOOOO you tell them linoxyard!!!!! go go go go go go go go goYEAHHHHH
I was jut going to ask if it was being used for something else, because from my knowledge (by default while in game) it is used as a I/O controller but I think it would also be entirely programmable by the game devs to be more useful, but if it is managing the HDD and Network it makes sense that they couldn't reprogram it to run PS1 games from the HDD.
@@SergioEduP Yes, you're right, I should've said I/O controller, it's not just the hdd and network
@@linoxyard so same thing for the 3DS with the Arm11 and the Arm9(+Arm7), with the second one taken from the NDS family (and the third one from the GBA) and used as a security processor in 3DS mode.
Access to the SD for DS games is possible if you went in unlocked TWL mode instead of NTR mode, that is taking advantage of the DSi hardware upgrades instead of being limited to the restrictions of the original DS, but access to the SD was really slow for similar reasons as the PS2 with the HDD since the Arm11 is disabled, and it took several years to make a flashcard-less loader of DS and DSi games for the 3DS and DSi too.
Bless the TWL team.
(Also you can use the Arm7 in AGB mode to play GBA games natively btw)
@@Valery0p5 yep! f4mi used to have a video about playing gba roms on 3ds, but it's not on the channel anymore. Btw, I like using open agb firm on 3DS
Every time I watch a f4mi video I’m blown away by the production value. It’s the small things, like taking the tape degradation away around 4:47 when fading out and back in to show off the PSBBN software. I’ve been on RUclips since 2007 and I watch all sorts of stuff, from gaming/technology videos like these to woodworking. Maybe it’s the elder Gen Z in me that likes all the 2000s-based nostalgia, but this has got to be one of my favorite channels I have ever come across.
she reminds me a lot of CaptainDisillusioned in production quality.
That and using the TikTok text to speech voice which is just funny
A video that starts with Daft Punk can only be a banger
Copyright strike inbound - ETA: 15 min - evacuate the area
@@BigBrolls nah, she licensed it
@@BigBrolls the songs were licensed, check the description
Why do people gotta come first when I am trying to say sth... :') well i guess i am predictable.
me love daft punk
Everybody always talks about hiding weed in there but I only did that one time when i was at my grandmother's beach house and it REEKED up the whole house as soon as the ps2 got the slightest bit warm. Terrible hiding spot.
automatic hotboxing machine tm
@@schtormmIt's like a precursor to the KFConsole.
No it was just smoking it
Gamer smell...
They probably weren't using the PS2 while hiding weed in there.
"Anything can read CD's [...] Your Grandma could do it if she had a laser pointer"
This was so unexpected, I couldn't try to predict the next word in that sentence
6:00
My grandma was so good at real-time de-interleaving, 14-to-8 demodulation, and decoding Reed-Solomon codes. I used to fall asleep to her reading the subchannels to me.
Until he was rendered blind, my grandfather had a close relationship with computers for most of his adult life. He gave stories about how he was involved in wireless transmission tests between computers in his college in the early 1960s, and probably had to work with computers in his job at MARTA. His basement still has a complex computer setup, as he turned part of it into an office in the 1990s.
That and my great-grandmother (his mother in law), having been raised on a Virginia farm probably even without electricity, became rather good at Wii bowling in her nineties.
@@DiamondKingStudios Wii bowling at the age of 90+ years old... 🤯 that's so wholesome!
its incredible seeing the progress in each videos, we getting full ass 3D models to explain instead of images back then
I loved this I was really into computers as a kid and super annoying to boot I bugged my dad soooo much to get this kits for me and he did it. He was a bit surprised at how much time I spent on it. I never had my own PC so my desk setup was a dreamcast plugged into a monitor for web browsing (i preffered the setup) and the PS2BB sat along side it running linux and getting 2 hours of sleep after FFXI sessions.
I bought a Phat PS2 recently from a thrift shop and in the weed draw was weed crumbs and several break up letters. I hope whoever that was is in a better place today.
"Unregistered Corckboard 2" 🔥
Yeah, this one got me good
1:56 thankfully no console manufacturers ever thought this was a good idea again…
_wait wait microsoft what are you doing with that hdmi in port?!_
The realplayer mention gave me a wave of nostalgia, totally forgot about it :D
The never-ending war between "unauthorized users" and Sony is a story that reminds us all of one thing: no matter how bad times get, no matter how ironclad the methods of the corporation get, nothing can come between you and your god given right to shitpost anywhere you please across the world wide web.
if i learned anything from being around for the early PSP homebrew scene, its that Sony can try as hard as they can to stop us but will never be able to outsmart random nerds on the internet with a desire to shitpost and play emulators on their expensive new console lmao
Unless you're in Europe and the UK where it's a crime big enough that they threaten to extradite people to their countries to charge and sentence them.
“It’s not a ps5, which means that my console has games” LMFAOOO
Got emmmmm
Sick burn..
That's pretty funny
subbed cuz of this line lol
What a clown
So PlayStation BB is basically the precursor version of PSN? I didn't know that, it's so cool!
Thank you for making this video
I wouldn’t say PSN, this feels too unique lol
Regarding BBN camera compatibility, 20 Sony digital still cameras and 14 digital video cameras are officially compatible with the BBN, and one page used a Sony Cyber-shot DSC-F707 to test the functionality.
An even more interesting feature is data installation, a feature that has been officially implemented in some PS2 software.
FFX (including International), some Winning Eleven titles (Japanese PES), Kingdom Hearts 1 (including Final Mix), etc. are supported, and I have confirmed that I can use it on my BBN (NTSC J), and some Korean versions of software are also supported. The A Train 2001 Complete Edition also has a function that allows you to install additional contents to the HDD.
The DSC-S85 released the same year as theF707. Is that one compatible? It can be had for like $20-30 and I have one myself.
@@bhume7535 The site where the functionality was tested had a link about BBN, which I tried to access on archive but got a 404 error, so the page may have been deleted between 2002~2003.
(The archive was from 2004).
However, it is possible that it is being addressed.
@@bhume7535 The site where the functionality was tested had a link about BBN, which I tried to access on archive but got a 404 error, so the page may have been deleted between 2002~2003.
(The archive was from 2004).
However, it is possible that it is being addressed.
@@bhume7535 The site where the functionality was tested had a link about BBN, which I tried to access on archive but got a 404 error, so the page may have been deleted between 2002~2003.
(The archive was from 2004).
However, it is possible that it is being addressed.
The BBN was, for several years for me, a total nightmare to set up. It only worked when I finally got a legitimate network adapter and a Samsung IDE drive. Now, it’s much easier to get running- now loaded onto a SATA-converted adapter with a laptop drive.
how can this funny blue haired woman on the internet find all these strange things from the 2000s... everytime i think i have seen it all, she comes and smacks me with another random accessory no one knows about.
funny blue haired woman makes me feel funny things. :)
It's amazing how as the sharpness of the video goes down, the quality of said video goes up. Amazing video, F4mi. Keep it up!
Holy shit F4mi every video you release has and amazing bump in quality. Keep up the good work.
1:17 UNREGISTERED CORKBOARD 2 I'M FUCKING *DEAD*.
If Sony released a PS2 pro in 2024 I'd have infinitely more respect for them. 😂
The 4:3 aspect ratio makes me want to play this video on an old CRT, 10/10 as usual!
(unrelated but do you still have some of those minidiscs available, i know of someone who might be interested)
@@SergioEduPi think emailing her if she had a business email will get her attention more
So I was procrastinating work (WFH) and was about to get off RUclips, and then saw your video on my feed. I just couldn't resist, as I always liked your videos.
I'm a big PS2 fan and have multiple NTSC-J units with authentic network adapter and always thought that I would install the English patched PSBBN someday. Now I just can't wait to do this. Screw work!! 😅
The sequence of events is always the same:
- Oh, a video about X, nice
- Oh, nice cinematography and music
- Oh, it is f4mi, nice
I'm so glad I found your channel! I love these kinds of deep dives on old tech combined with modern attempts to keep them working for historical/archival purposes.
0:11 real gamer vibes
Yay a f4mi video. That was a really cool thing to see. It makes me want to dig out my PS2 and finally finish setting up the network adapter and hard drive. Great content as always!!
8:29 fun fact: you COULD actually use a USB keyboard on the Xbox dashboard. If you have the Phantasy Star Online USB Keyboard adapter (or, more likely, a USB controller port needed for modding) you can type away with the USB keyboard. I don’t know why Microsoft added the feature, but it’s appreciated nonetheless.
@godofmediocrity7572 probably because phantasy star online for the dreamcast had the keyboard and mouse functionality as did a lot of dreamcast games to make playing online similar to on PC
Original xbox used standard usb connections with an extra connector for light guns, and basic keyboard support is baked in from when the os was running on PC based dev kits
Fun fact: PS2 fats were popular in UK prisons for the stash-hole, HDDs were banned : (
I wish i could use BBN instead of OPL to play my backup games, the UI is so satisfying and unique. The main issue I'm seeing is PSBBN has a storage limit, where having over 128GB of content installed prevents it from booting, which isn't a lot of space to work with. There hsve been attempts to work around this but the last post I saw was in May.
We need this
Same!! BBN looks so incredibly cool, I need it!
I'd love that just for the reason that my BlueRetro doesn't work on games started through OPL which has led to me hardly using my PS2.
Big mood. OPL is fantastic but doesn't look all that nice really. That and the other big bit of PS2 Homebrew being worked on, XEB+, is basically just trying to replicate, what else, the goddamn XMB from the PS3 and PSP.
XMB is fine on those consoles but on the PS2 I want PS2 vibes damnit, I want whooshy ambience and cool shades of blue and cool 3D shenanigans.
I would love for PS2BBN to be able to act as a proper full on replacement for modded PS2's though, that would just be sooooo freaking cool. Sadly the drive size limitations are... Yeah
Oh, this is so cool! I thought I knew everything I could ever know about the PS2, but I never had came across of all the features of the PSBBN - I knew it existed, but didn't knew it was so powerful and cool! And the production of the video was so top tier! This is the first time I'm watching one of your videos and I was genuinely impressed, one of the coolest videos I saw on the internet in a really long time!
The interface for this (especially the CD player) is slick. Never heard about this so thanks for bringing this to the masses!
I remember being completely amazed at "Central Station". Just being able to use my PS2 to connect online, read game news and send DMs to other players felt huge.
Something like this would have blown me away completely.
You are one of my favorite creators at the moment. Keep going!
a new f4mi video is the highlight of my week/month because f4mi tends to go down the same kinds of insane rabbit holes I go on and very few channels on youtube are hitting that mood
This video is a vibe, i really like the way this was presented, i just discoverd this video and now im subscribed.
Damn, insane production value... and it's not just style, too. I guess that's a way to make a good first impression, can't wait to see more from you!
the thumbnail is so clean… your channel is one of my favorites on youtube rn by far, love what you do!!!!
The fits went crazy on this video for f4mi. It was nice to see some discussion about the PSN network precursor
And here I thought I knew everything odd and weird about the PS2. You completely nailed the video f4mi. This is an absolutely interesting and awesome dive into an obscure part of the PS2's history. Great work!
Another PS2 fact I didn't know until now. Love the video and the editing.
I'll give this one a go on my PS2 haha very cool
1:46 Micheal "The" Snare jumpscare
It's okay, I don't hate you for being European, you're one of the good ones
Ok so this is one of the most interesting Videos about console Hardware/Software ive seen in a long time. First time ever hearing about it and a great Video as always!
(Btw i bought the logitech z-10 speakers and a used harmony remote and they are amazing.
The speakers have an awesome sound for the price if you get them for around 50€ and im working towards getting my steam deck/tv setup to wake up with just a command from the harmony, its replaced 3 other remotes so far and i love it)
Long story short keep up the awesome content!
This is the best video I've seen all year regarding the ps2. I am in love.
Man i love f4mi video essays. Straight fire every time! 🔥🔥
idk how i've never heard anyone talk about psbbn before because it actually looks like the coolest thing ever. when i get a network adapter for my ps2 i'm definitely gonna install it, banger video
I adore how this video is basically recorded with a camcoder
Your channel is THE BEST in this "obscure 2000s computing" category
IVE BEEN WAITING TO SEE A VIDEO ON THIS FOR LIKE FOREVER thank yhou f4mi
This channel is a goldmine.
So interesting to see how Sony changed the UI and functions to compete with the Xbox in the japanese market. Besides the change of the 360 away from the Blade-Theme I think I don’t know any other substantial redesign like this.
Some of the most unique and interesting topics delivered in such a unique, compelling, and aesthetic way. I love this channel so much. The videos are just brilliant.
The PS2 had less features than the Dreamcast in everywhere but Japan. Bruh. Hell, even the Dreamcast's huge success in the US didn't get us half the crap Japan got. I own a Dreameye, a Japan exclusive webcam and camera for the Dreamcast. Japan always gets the cool shit I swear.
Had no idea any of this existed. I still don't know how to describe your channel, besides that I learn something new after watching every video. Great video as usual!
I’ve been obsessed with BBN for years and I’m glad there’s finally a video like this about it
Great video, thank you for making it! I hadn't thought about my old PS2 in a long while, I'm sure I still have it kicking around in a box somewhere with the HDD and the network card. Definitely utilized the heck outta that network card playing boat loads of Metal Gear Online.
😂 this is great, I saw a video from 3yrs ago "wonder if they still makes videos" ya do and they are good informative and funny. I liked the editing in the 3yr old video really got me. Subbed
9:49 it ran toll 2016 ? thats a crazy service live
the style of the whole UI and especially the game channels is how „future UI“ and „the internet“ was advertised back then. Except it was real in this case and still feels futuristic and exciting even though it‘s fairly old stuff at this point.
I was expecting like dreamcast levels of dlc, browsing and just standart online stuff you're able to do on dc
Not a fully fletched os we wouldn't see until '05 with the xbox 360
Also this explains a lot why the ps3 has those 2 os menu styles: the more modern, themed, one and the one in black with white lines you get in backwards compatibility and internal system related things; they just reused the psbbn os as a basis there and the ps3 os on top
I came for the weird PS2
I stayed because of your unhinged humor
then i came again whe-
I bought a japanese PS2 from my first trip to Japan and wanna try installing this ! That was such a cool and interesting video, can't wait to watch more
I'm kinda surprised I didn't know about this. Like I knew about the PSX DVR console, but this being a full on firmware upgrade for the original system is pretty wild.
The interface is pretty awesome too, so sleek.
PS2 HDD is actually the best and most useful feature of that entire generation of consoles. Up to this day HDD is by far the most easy and superior way of playing ps2 games. As it is super trivial to get up and running, it loads games a lot faster than DVD, USB, or LAN and is just so extremely convenient. Sony removed it to prevent that hacking in the future (of course that didn't work for them either)
It's always a good day when F4mi uploads, thanks for the video! :D
WOW-
AERODYNAMIC JUMPSCARE
that's my favorite song, the hell?
You sure are based as hell.
Said the same thing aloud. Fvckin banger
Wow, Goldbridge from the Motorhead OST is something I haven’t heard in a while and wasn’t expecting to hear in the background of a video anytime soon!
Never heard of PSBBN before this. Very convoluted UI but very ambitious and cool for it's time.
"which is arguably more dangerous than AGI" .. *Looks up AGI*. Yep, that sounds about right.
As someone who loved browsing the PS2 menu when bored, looking at the Save File Icons, kiddie me would've *_adored_* this
The "Digital Camera" feature on the Photo Channel can be used with any FAT32 formatted USB mass storage device. Some of the game channels also let you download pictures that are then added to the Photo Channel
Been a while since i watched this channel, quality content as usual.
I had no plans of getting this until you mentioned the minidisc support. That’s insane!
14:40 You can also move save data between your memory cards and the hard drive on a stock PS2. I've been making backups of all of my memory cards for years with this method. When you select a save file on your memory card, it gives you the option to copy it to either the other memory card inserted or the hard drive.
oh my god i have never seen the option pop up on my ps2, maybe it's requiring hdd-osd?
@f4micom I bought my hard drive used (it's the official Sony 40GB model), and I noticed that a few things about my bios changed after putting it in my PS2 for the first time. Maybe the previous owner installed some kind of update? The hard drive came with Final Fantasy XI, Tetra Master, and Play Online Viewer installed.
Here are my system specs according to the Version Information screen on the main menu:
Console: SCPH-30001R
Browser: 2.00
CD Player: 1.30
Playstation Driver: 1.10
DVD Player: 2.10U
Mac Address: idk too many numbers
(This console is from May 2002 btw)
My guess is that the hard drive updated the browser when I first inserted it? Here's how it compares to a few of my other PS2 consoles (one older and one newer):
1.
Console: SCPH-30001
Browser: 1.20
CD Player: 1.20
Playstation Driver: 1.10
DVD Player: 1.20U
(This unit is from Q4 2000)
2.
Console: SCPH-70012
Browser: 1.40
CD Player: 2.00
Playstation Driver: 1.11
DVD Player: 3.10U
MAC Address: too many numbers
(This unit is from March 2005)
It looks like my PS2 with the hard drive is running the newest browser, so the previous owner must've gotten an update onto the hard drive somehow. Maybe it was part of the Final Fantasy XI or Play Online Viewer downloads? These are all NTSC consoles sold in the USA btw.
@mazda9624 the PS2 patches its stock OSDSYS on every bootup by reading from the memory card, or in your case the HDD for any valid updates. it's what makes softmod installs so trivial eg freemcboot/freehddboot
@@f4micomYeah it needs HDDOSD to be able to do that. Thankfully it's pretty easy to install
Yep, hard drives come with a Browser 2.0 update that updates that main menu thingy.
However, once you cross 128GB of data on the hard drive, the browser crashes unless you use the patched Browser update.
I don't know how you keep find those stuff I never heard about but god I love your video format
Keep up the good work F4mi
it’s always a good day for me when u upload 😊
i grew up on the wii so seeing some of this stuff for the first time is completely alien and just super cool
A PS2 video with an abundance of Daft Punk? That's a subscribe.
The OG xbox used memory cards too, you insert them in the controller.... and the Black eye peas were as big as tailor swift back then, yep that´s how times work
8:09 STOP READING MY MIND I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT OF YANDHI WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THE MINIDISCS OH MY GOD
loved this video!! Awesome making it in 4:3 aspect ratio
It's fascinating to see how this worked on the PS2 in comparison to how it was on Dreamcast, where the modem was included as standard and the only limiting factor was having a dial up service and the boot disc (outside the US you could pick your own provider as well, so you could get a reasonable deal for the time instead of being forced to use the one from Sega. The stock modem was really slow, even for the time, but I believe that there was an upgraded one for the seven people who had broadband and a Dreamcast between 1998 and 2000. All the same, it's interesting to see how much more developed the online experience was for Dreamcast in comparison to this 1980s-style bulletin board system with a fancy UI overlaid onto it. )
Obviously, Dreamcast never got the additional storage needed to download things that couldn't fit on a single memory card but it was planned to get a zip drive, so it may have been possible to do more with it eventually. You could basically have a budget alternative to a PC at that point if you were using keyboard and mouse and plugging into a VGA monitor. Maybe the "print" key could have eventually performed a function lol.
I wonder if the tech used in PS BBN is the same that handles the PSX dashboard, seems it looks more like PSP media bar.
Good Video!
I wasn't aware they made a PS2 Pro haha, also I'm subbed :)
It's not Japan only (not entirely anyways). The PS2 Linux Kit (which I own) contained the hardware. They made 10k worldwide. The HDD was also useful (unofficially) with a disc that allowed you to rip games to it.
when i first heard about this in 2018, i was mind-blown.
my favourite channel will always be playstation now because of the music.
to this day, i listen to it as my music playlist.
I actually accidentally found one 14 years ago. Thought nothing of it back then I was too busy playing PS3 online. Regrets now. I did think I’d be able to install windows on it. Nope. Learned quick
Great work! This is the video that I was waiting a long time ago. Many of the info were only in Japanese and other videos were too technical or they over summarize what PSBB does. I'll move to Japan next year and I'm definitely buy a PS2 and walkmans to create a piracy kingdom 😅 well at least I can buy things that we don't have here to explore the entire OS.
This is, technically speaking, the weirdest Linux distro so far
Honestly I would have loved the Bomberman/Hudson channel if we had this
I figured you might want to know that Final Fantasy Dirge of Cerberus has full keyboard and mouse support.
Also HL1 for the ps2 has full keyboard support.
Edit: I meant HL1 not HL2 there was never HL2 for the ps2 I am just fucking stupid.
This is WILD - thanks for sharing!
Strongly appreciate that PS5 joke.
Your content is spot-on, as usual. Surprised I hadn't heard about any of this stuff before, which is rare for me these days.
You need to shed more light on the PUD-J5A. It was a VR headset FOR the PS2.
This is pretty sick. I think I’ll try it. I have all the necessary parts so I think I know what I’ll be doing this weekend lol.
Damn, Daft Punk in a f4mi video
glad I subscribed, amazing video
omg mic the snare cameo. was not expecting my other favorite youtuber to be here
This Video is visually and damn well edited :D I like everything and even as a documentary Video is pretty damn great :D
This is a cool channel. Glad the algorithm recommended it to me.
an interesting thing about dsi is that it still has the firmware for the second slot but the physical port is removed
I love your videos.
the music was on point