The Last Format War

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  • Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2024

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  • @f4micom
    @f4micom  Месяц назад +107

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    • @MochaFur1
      @MochaFur1 Месяц назад +45

      get that bag

    • @Forrest_O.
      @Forrest_O. Месяц назад +19

      We didn’t need you here -Raid: Shadow Legends- War Thunder

    • @lanter-np7of
      @lanter-np7of Месяц назад +14

      GET THAT BAGGGGG

    • @TeardownReuse
      @TeardownReuse Месяц назад +8

      The Last Format War (hun that wasn't the last format war) 😂you clearly haven't heard of PNG/JPG/MP4 vs WEBP/AVIF currently going on (also the rise of SD/SSD vs NVME vs HDD that happened after Bluray VS HDDVD)

    • @JohnDoe-ip3oq
      @JohnDoe-ip3oq Месяц назад +1

      The windows answer is powerdvd. It's always been powerdvd. Not using it is problems. Oh I'll use random unknown software instead of powerdvd that comes with retail drives. Yeah. Not surprised it doesn't work.

  • @french_kuregon
    @french_kuregon Месяц назад +1949

    Selling a whole computer running linux because you couldn't deliver a player in time is honestly the kind of mad genius move from a tired engineering team i love to see

    • @djungelskog2654
      @djungelskog2654 Месяц назад +180

      "yo, why don't we just like, make linux computers and sell them" said the janitor, concerned while looking at the engineers in the meeting room banging their heads

    • @Theintoxicatedsniper
      @Theintoxicatedsniper Месяц назад

      Dude a hd dvd player that you could in theory put a GeForce 7 series gpu into. Why because fuck you my hd dvd player has a gpu in it

    • @littlejack59
      @littlejack59 Месяц назад

      ​@djungelskog2654 *the team of exhausted engineers slowly lift their heads out of meeting table, slowly looking with aw at the janitor, staring at him like a profit who has returned after 1000 years of silence*

    • @emdotrod
      @emdotrod Месяц назад +43

      This is something Gravis might talk about in the future. It's a small form factor computer running Linux and it's using obsolete media format. He will get to this

    • @saygoodnighttoghosts
      @saygoodnighttoghosts Месяц назад +17

      @@emdotrod Knowing Gravis and his massive collection of hardware there in Seattle, growing by the week, I am sure of it. I’m excited to see it come up on an upload a few months down the line. (:

  • @mmpg34
    @mmpg34 Месяц назад +780

    The ironic part about bluray. Is while gamers bawked at the launch price of the PS3. It was actually the cheapest blu ray player on the market first couple years. On the flip side early adopters of dedicated blu ray players w no ethernet port were weren’t able to read blu ray discs that were pressed after 2010 due to non-upgradable firmware

    • @AltCutTV
      @AltCutTV Месяц назад +22

      Yes. But then it wasn't that they couldn't read the discs, but that the menu system requirements escalated and the early players were not completely blue book compatible. (or if the standard was not yet final, IDK) So discs with heavy use of Java things simply could not start playback, because everything menu had to go through the disc software. The key issue of course is another problem, but that came much later on. So those old players can still work fine on new discs as long as they are not needlessly complicated, or need new keys.
      I think HDDVD had (at least originally) a standard way to play discs without going through disc software. ? But that would be beside the point now when most discs apparently can't be read anyway I suppose.

    • @MrHack4never
      @MrHack4never Месяц назад +9

      Wait, it wasn't possible to get the firmware, put it on a flash drive or cd-r and use that to update? That's kinda odd considering that's how some DVD-players could be updated

    • @AltCutTV
      @AltCutTV Месяц назад +6

      @@MrHack4never Probably. But support for firmware usually ended fairly quickly regardless a player had USB or Ethernet. 🙃 And while I haven't seen any not having USB, it's important to keep in mind it was sometimes used only to keep bookmarks or download the BD-Live content. Which was a really daft concept for a disc with "massive storage capabilities" obviously. 😺
      That wasn't the actual problem early days though. The hardware simply sometimes was not even capable of running the complex menu. So a firmware update wouldn't have fixed it anyway.
      The importance of this can also be observed in the start-up time between players that both do at least play a disc. It can be 20 seconds on one, to several minutes on another.

    • @TheFriendlyInvader
      @TheFriendlyInvader Месяц назад +14

      ​@@AltCutTVWhat's even worse is that the last like 20 PS3 updates have just been updates to support newer Blu-ray releases. It is STILL the most used Blu-ray player on the market.

    • @gentuxable
      @gentuxable Месяц назад +1

      Weren't there even titles that had to download some key to even play and so wouldn't play on blu-ray Players that had no ethernet? I just remember it was a pain to watch blu-rays on a mac, it had to connect and download some master keys for any new release.

  • @creativeusername7951
    @creativeusername7951 Месяц назад +299

    "HDDVD" is the single most 2000's thing that could ever come out of someone's mouth.

    • @NexXxu
      @NexXxu Месяц назад +14

      Is like when everyone put the suffix “hd” in everything

    • @drfsupercenter
      @drfsupercenter Месяц назад +9

      I was a fan of the format at the time, since it actually explained what it was to people who didn't know technology. By 2006 when the format was released, we all knew what DVDs were, we knew what high definition was, therefore you know what a HD DVD is.
      Meanwhile people were going "wtf is a blue ray?"

    • @ccubsfan94
      @ccubsfan94 Месяц назад +1

      "Hey bro, you want a Surge?"

  • @A2L112
    @A2L112 Месяц назад +685

    You're the ONLY RUclipsr that I've seen actually take advantage of the custom subtitle formatting

    • @jptcw2635
      @jptcw2635 Месяц назад +12

      Holy shit! That is really cool!

    • @TingFeng77
      @TingFeng77 Месяц назад +57

      Tom Scott does too

    • @lachlanlau
      @lachlanlau Месяц назад +14

      There was one video here on yt where a guy demonstrates all the feature of the formatting

    • @russianbear0027
      @russianbear0027 Месяц назад +29

      ​@@lachlanlau idk if this is the one you mean, but one person did the entire "bad apple" animation using only subtitles.

    • @mineland8220
      @mineland8220 Месяц назад +8

      Tf2 youtuber Solarlight also does make use of them and theyre really nice to the eyes

  • @allenussher5884
    @allenussher5884 Месяц назад +236

    I worked at Microsoft on the team that was working on the codecs for the Xbox 360's HD DVD player, so HD DVD is near and dear to my heart. I remember my boss ended up creating a test library of HD DVD movies that we all ended up raiding for movies to watch at our desks or at home. The HD DVD content was all over the place, though. Some of the content was near-NSFW stuff from Japan, but we needed it so that we could test all the different codecs supported by the spec. Good times.
    We were all gifted the Xbox 360 HD DVD drives at the end of the project, which was nice. Sadly, I donated it to Goodwill years later when I was trying to get rid of a lot of stuff. It was very cool seeing them in the stores, though, even though they never did take off.

    • @zephryn6502
      @zephryn6502 Месяц назад +12

      i’ve heard they specifically gave out black/elite-colored variants of the drive and remote exclusively to dev team members; they pop up online every so often. wish they brought that color to market, makes the thing look pretty cool imo.

    • @sriramsundar8388
      @sriramsundar8388 Месяц назад +1

      If the Xbox 360 was released a year later coinciding with the release of the PS3, surely it would feature a HD-DVD drive instead of a DVD drive.

  • @mx6107
    @mx6107 Месяц назад +363

    the editing and animation work on this video is INSANE

    • @YOEL_44
      @YOEL_44 Месяц назад +12

      Yeah, those 3D rendered scenes (even if low poly and stylized) looked incredibly realistic.

    • @1ogic948
      @1ogic948 Месяц назад

      oh, a fellow Maiden and Spell enjoyer, hello!

  • @freeuploads4290
    @freeuploads4290 Месяц назад +471

    I had an HD-DVD drive for the 360 back in the day, and my family never used it. The only reason we got it was because when I was like 8 I found it just sitting outside next to a bin with no cables or anything. I then promptly took it inside tried to plug it without any cables. Suffice to say I couldn't, so I asked my dad if I could get the cable on eBay he said fine. Afterwards we only bought like 5 movies for it. At least we got it for nothing though.

    • @garystinten9339
      @garystinten9339 Месяц назад +6

      Worth a look.. in your opinion.. how do you think it compared to DVD?

    • @freeuploads4290
      @freeuploads4290 Месяц назад

      @@garystinten9339 I feel that if you go physical, you don't really need ultra high HD. It's nice to have, but it isn't completely integral to the whole experience. Although, if you are one of those people who'd rather have a cleaner image, I'd rather go for Blu-ray. You can easily find an older PS4 slim or Blu-ray player for a pretty good price and have a damn good experience.

    • @freeuploads4290
      @freeuploads4290 Месяц назад

      ​@@garystinten9339If you're gonna try to get HD-DVD, don't. It's a dead format that no one uses and no company is producing for anymore. Now if you want an HD format, just go with Blu-ray. It's a clean image with companies still making movies for it.

    • @wednesday122
      @wednesday122 Месяц назад +7

      Wym you got it for nothing? You got your dad to spend money on cables, and buying things online was sketchy af back then. You also bought 5 movies for it

    • @freeuploads4290
      @freeuploads4290 Месяц назад +31

      @@wednesday122 I'm sorry. I probably should've specified the year. It was 2010 and buying stuff on ebay wasn't sketchy then. Also, the cables were like 5-15 dollars I'm pretty sure and while I don't remember how much each movie was, if I had to guess it was probably like 5 bucks each.

  • @alexjc2013
    @alexjc2013 Месяц назад +70

    I certainty didn't expect to see a reddit post I made over a year ago with 17 upvotes to show up in an incredibly well put together video essay on the format war in general. I thought it got lost to the void lol, but I'm glad it helped! Thanks for the shout out! - NostalgicNemo

  • @g3ds
    @g3ds Месяц назад +488

    The HD-A1 HD-DVD player wasn't just a Pentium 4 PC, it also had 2 Xilinx FPGAs plus a CPLD, a Broadcom h.264/vc1 decoder ASIC, and a quad-core Analog Devices audio DSP. It must have been incredibly expensive to produce, which makes the $800 it sold for an absolute steal.

    • @f4micom
      @f4micom  Месяц назад +141

      holy shit i wonder how much money they were losing per player

    • @oli_gordon
      @oli_gordon Месяц назад +1

      ​@@f4micomdo HDdvds play on blu ray players

    • @bouncypear_net
      @bouncypear_net Месяц назад +18

      ​@@oli_gordonno.

    • @oli_gordon
      @oli_gordon Месяц назад

      @@bouncypear_net damn
      I saw a HDdvd sealed today in a charity shop

    • @christiangomez2496
      @christiangomez2496 Месяц назад +25

      If it's X86, then it could run DOOM

  • @seven7tr
    @seven7tr Месяц назад +145

    Literally just finished watching Scott the Woz' last vid about (among other things) Blu-ray Vs HD-Dvd, can't wait to dive right back in with you !

    • @sirjanska9575
      @sirjanska9575 29 дней назад

      Which video is that?

    • @Lu9_ST
      @Lu9_ST 25 дней назад

      @@sirjanska9575 "Movies for Game Consoles - Scott the Woz"

    • @Recarsonated
      @Recarsonated 23 дня назад

      @@sirjanska9575Movies for Game Consoles is the one
      Tho Xbox 360 vs PS3 has 1 section where he goes over what video format each console used

    • @ryko1478
      @ryko1478 6 дней назад

      ​​@@sirjanska9575 "Movies for game consoles"
      ruclips.net/video/tPTvG0Se7L8h/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/tPTvG0Se7L8/видео.html

  • @KennyPham
    @KennyPham Месяц назад +101

    I'm living for the heroes glazing. That show had so much potential.

    • @AtoManPL
      @AtoManPL Месяц назад +2

      At least Sendhil Ramamurthy got to play a metahuman for the first time, which made him a go-to actor for such roles (he was in both Flash and Doom Patrol at the same time and now got cast in James Gunn's rebooted DC Universe).

  • @DuwangKaizer
    @DuwangKaizer Месяц назад +11

    I looked at the Super Density Disc logo, and I was like, HOLD UP! IS THAT WHERE THE SD CARD LOGO COMES FROM?!

  • @AkaYagi
    @AkaYagi Месяц назад +223

    >Talk about a war of two formats disc
    >Sponsered by a war games with tanks, ships, and planes
    genius

  • @claudiobizama5603
    @claudiobizama5603 Месяц назад +174

    The BluRay is probably the only Sony consumer media that was a success.
    And yet, I can still find DVDs on the grocery store, barely any BluRays.
    They won the battle, but lost the war to online streaming.

    • @hechss
      @hechss Месяц назад +35

      Well, they co-owned CD (I think it was split like 60% Philips and 40% Sony).

    • @No-mq5lw
      @No-mq5lw Месяц назад +12

      They did succeed with the 3.5" floppy

    • @kougamecs3876
      @kougamecs3876 Месяц назад +15

      And now they are trying to get rid of it with the PlayStation 5 Pro. What nonsense

    • @tezcanaslan2877
      @tezcanaslan2877 Месяц назад +7

      Cd’s are clutching their way back. This will probably also influence blu-ray and dvd’s

    • @kougamecs3876
      @kougamecs3876 Месяц назад

      @@tezcanaslan2877 stores stopped selling Blu rays now

  • @gigitrix
    @gigitrix Месяц назад +24

    Congrats on the sponsor, and the production quality bump really shows, holy hecc

  • @mrmc101
    @mrmc101 Месяц назад +11

    i just wanna say thank you for taking the time to make real subtitles with the custom formatting. watching other youtubers can be a pain in the ass because they think auto generated captions are enough but you took the time to make your video accessible and it made my day.

  • @queefcheif9306
    @queefcheif9306 Месяц назад +86

    blue ray will always be the best format for any kind of shows or movies at home, they blow streaming out of the water

    • @Erick6484
      @Erick6484 Месяц назад +8

      I wish blue ray also Had cool menus like DVDs

    • @Ultravore
      @Ultravore Месяц назад +6

      UHD-BD's are much better bro.

    • @kelownatechkid
      @kelownatechkid Месяц назад +3

      ​@@Ultravorenot really, most are marginally better than BD.. Saying this as a collector of hundreds lol. Now the real major difference is 3D Bluray, that format literally has no competition and looks amazing

    • @ManiacMayhem7256
      @ManiacMayhem7256 24 дня назад +1

      ​@@kelownatechkid
      Nah you're cherrpicking. Colors on 4k look way better. And many early blu rays were terrible transfers. Tbf not all 4k transfers were winners

  • @superakman14
    @superakman14 Месяц назад +36

    21:23 I want that Madoka Griffin shirt.

  • @mimimimeow
    @mimimimeow Месяц назад +33

    Sony and Toshiba being at war in the medium realm is funny because they were building the Cell BE processor.

  • @c6m
    @c6m 23 дня назад +4

    26:26 I've never felt so threatened by someone telling me they don't know where I live.

  • @f4micom
    @f4micom  Месяц назад +160

    IN CASE YOU ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE SUBTITLES: you are probably using an old version of the youtube app or a third party client. I have added styling to the US subtitles, which sometimes does not work with older versions of the youtube app/third party clients.
    Just switch to the UK subs track and the problem is going to be fixed! :)

    • @ArthurKhazbs
      @ArthurKhazbs Месяц назад +23

      The subs styling looks great!

    • @Dustmix
      @Dustmix Месяц назад +3

      I have to say that the styling is really nice, I like it a lot

    • @qz4u
      @qz4u Месяц назад +2

      newpipe supremacy

    • @aqua-bery
      @aqua-bery Месяц назад

      I think I can see the styling properly on revanced

    • @thomasmurphy8749
      @thomasmurphy8749 Месяц назад +3

      Are these real subtitles or AI recognition? At 2:51 especially, the data on a disc is stored using "pits and lands", not "bits and lines", and the wavelength is "shorter", not "shoulder".
      Please, if you care about accessibility, use real subtitles written by a human who can use context and understand the proper words. Don't trust a computer to get it right.

  • @LandonEmma
    @LandonEmma Месяц назад +20

    F4mi covering media format wars from the 2000s with a Evangelion thumbnail is something I never thought I’d ever see

  • @Neukend
    @Neukend Месяц назад +87

    Technology connections, lets go! Oh wait

    • @Junimeek
      @Junimeek Месяц назад +7

      honestly i'd take being compared to TC as a huge compliment

  • @PANDORAZTOYBOKZ
    @PANDORAZTOYBOKZ Месяц назад +5

    The physical format war is over, but it's spirit carries on forever in the world of file formats

  • @Tom_Der_Echte
    @Tom_Der_Echte Месяц назад +17

    Until this point, I've never heard a single time in my entire life about "HD DVD"

  • @keatongoodwin3354
    @keatongoodwin3354 Месяц назад +16

    easily your best video, crazy production value.

  • @blankblank8608
    @blankblank8608 Месяц назад +76

    Ayyy, YT notifs actually worked. HYPE.
    HD DVD instructions unclear: I have accidentally discovered the fabled XBOX 720 Handheld.
    Great vid, important to note that Sony PS2s were considered value because it could play movies that the parents wanted (without the silly xbox dvd remote), and then the kids could game on it too. This carried over to the next generations.
    Anecdotally, this was the case for myself and many of my friends, and despite the high initial cost, a gen 1 PS3 was seen as worth it because (backwards compatible, memory card slots for photo video ecosystem, Blu-ray and DvD player, with internet browser and no initial subscription to online services like Xbox LIVE required) it did the whole "windows media center" experience without actually having my parents be computer literate or hooking the PS3 up to the PC.

    • @drfsupercenter
      @drfsupercenter Месяц назад +1

      Fun fact about the Xbox DVD remote.
      You know how all PS2 games have either a Compact Disc or DVD-ROM logo on the box and on the disc? Yeah, well you probably notice Xbox, Xbox 360 and Wii games don't. Similarly PS3 games all have the Blu-ray logo, but Xbox One and Wii U discs don't.
      Xbox (and later Wii) used the same actual disc format as PS2 - that being DVD - but Microsoft didn't want to pay the licensing/royalty fee for it. I'm not sure how they got away with it, but the long and short of it is that if they actually licensed the DVD specifications, they'd have to pay a royalty with every console sold, and Microsoft didn't want to do that. Sony marketed the PS2 as a DVD player, so obviously they did - which is why every PS2 can play DVDs out of the box.
      But of course, the Xbox *does* use a DVD-ROM drive, so there's no technical reason it wouldn't have been able to play your DVD movies. It would have been illegal for Microsoft to enable DVD playback without paying the royalty, which is calculated by units sold - so what they did was sold a "media remote" that, when plugged into your console, enabled the DVD playback and they paid the royalty on those accessories instead of the entire Xbox. That way, if let's say only 10% of Xbox owners bought the media remote, then they only have to pay 10% of the royalties they'd have to pay if it was included out of the box.
      So yeah, everybody thought it was annoying that you had to buy a special remote just to play DVDs on your Xbox, but that was a calculated business decision for Microsoft. Of course the Xbox 360 could play them natively, because by that point they just decided to eat the cost. This is also why Windows 10 can't play DVDs anymore when Vista, 7 and 8 all could - Microsoft realized the number of people still playing DVDs (and PCs that even have an optical drive) are low, so they didn't want to have to pay a royalty for every copy of Windows sold. If you want to enable it in Windows 10 you can pay $10 for the DVD Player app which includes the royalty

    • @blankblank8608
      @blankblank8608 Месяц назад

      @@drfsupercenter Thats really cool, didnt know that the tech was in but locked behind a licensing decision packaged into a plastic remote. That probably explains the really cool hypermodded xbox theatre I saw back in the day at a friends house. Thanks for the share!

  • @beardguybadass
    @beardguybadass Месяц назад +48

    Yo I saw that LightScribe logo on that drive from Mark at 22:43 , LightScribe was sooo cool I wish it caught on more and we could print more things with lasers.

    • @claudiobizama5603
      @claudiobizama5603 Месяц назад +5

      There was also LabelFlash, the same thing but that can also label any DVD on the data side if there are blank spaces left.

  • @kemy5368
    @kemy5368 Месяц назад +6

    That HD-DVD player being just a computer is actually funny.
    because HD video playback was horrible before GPU decoding became a thing around 2009, even a Core 2 Duo would struggle.

  • @MattGrayYES
    @MattGrayYES Месяц назад +41

    Aww I miss format wars. We should start our own!

    • @SamuelH2020
      @SamuelH2020 Месяц назад +1

      Matt Grey Try's: Making my own Media format

    • @jb-br8bf
      @jb-br8bf Месяц назад +3

      JpegXL vs AVIF!

    • @nahometesfay1112
      @nahometesfay1112 Месяц назад

      Well the war between RCS and whatever Apple uses just ended so that's cool I guess

  • @BobTheMartin
    @BobTheMartin Месяц назад +5

    Blu vs Red truly a TF2 moment of all time

  • @saturnmedia1
    @saturnmedia1 29 дней назад +2

    16:08 CHEVRON ORIGINALS lmao that was genuinely hilarious. Funny and good video!

  • @Cappyey
    @Cappyey Месяц назад +6

    I’m halfway through the video. Please make a video about Heroes. Even though I’ve never watched the show, I really like stories about the writers strike.

  • @wobedraggled
    @wobedraggled Месяц назад +99

    Linux can play HD DVD without a licensed player key, just putting that out there.

    • @JohnDoe-ip3oq
      @JohnDoe-ip3oq Месяц назад +7

      The windows answer is powerdvd. It's always been powerdvd. Not using it is problems. Oh I'll use random unknown software instead of powerdvd that comes with retail drives. Yeah. Not surprised it doesn't work.

    • @JohnDoe-ip3oq
      @JohnDoe-ip3oq Месяц назад +6

      Oh also, Linux players like MPV and VLC have Windows versions. The only excuse is user incompetence in not installing software that works. I'm sure Google has tons of links about playing hddvd, and none of them say to use some unknown outdated software that runs on XP. Blu-ray was more a Windows 7 thing, maybe even Vista for HD DVD, but there is no software incompatibility from Vista to 10.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 Месяц назад +9

      @@JohnDoe-ip3oq Right answer, wrong delivery.

  • @S31Syntax
    @S31Syntax Месяц назад +5

    Early 2000s Microsoft calling anything Anti-Consumer is hilarious. Come on, Bill

  • @DrewDoesThings
    @DrewDoesThings Месяц назад +8

    took me a minute to realize you did custom formatting for the captions, love to see it!! the production value of the entire video is amazing too

  • @BrunoMassao
    @BrunoMassao Месяц назад +14

    I've lived through this format war. I worked at retail at the time, selling minidv camcorders and digital cameras. Ocasionally there was a customer inquiry about the best way to record the footage from their camcorders, if it was blu-ray or hd-dvd, and we always went on to say that neither was a good option overall. We've just plain told then capture footage to a computer and then copy it to an external drive, and eventually burn into a dvd so anyone could watch it. I've even started a side gig for this for customers that didn't want to learn how to capture their minidv footage into their pc.

  •  Месяц назад +11

    Omg that OceanGate cap is so thematic right now 😂

  • @FLYNN_TAGGART
    @FLYNN_TAGGART Месяц назад +23

    The best HD-DVD playing "console" is the Steam Deck. Just use a USB Type A->C adapter for your drive and you're done. VLC on Linux doesn't need anything else, it just works. I'd imagine it's the same on Android since that's equally Linux but am too lazy to confirm.

    • @YS_Production
      @YS_Production Месяц назад +7

      Android apps are pretty much Java apps running in a VM. So not sure on the "equally linux" part

    • @plows2940
      @plows2940 Месяц назад

      I wonder why it works on Linux VLC but not the Windows version

    • @pgtmr2713
      @pgtmr2713 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@plows2940No one brought Bill Gates a shrubbery

    • @Junimeek
      @Junimeek Месяц назад

      ​@@plows2940 windows likes to break compatability lmao

  • @NuMetalfan1996
    @NuMetalfan1996 Месяц назад +8

    What killed HD DVD was Microsoft not having the XBox 360 have built in HD DVD capability, like Sony did with Blu Ray for the PS3.
    So the console wars was responsible for the death of HD DVD.
    But the thing is by the time Blu Ray won the war in 2007 and started becoming a new format, Streaming would arrive not too far later in 2010.
    Remember the DVD came out in 1996, but the height of DVD sales wasn’t until 2005, 2005 was the peak of the DVD in sales.
    So for another format to come out 2 years later in Blu Ray in 2007, most people didn’t understand this transition to Blu Ray at the time.
    Most people just still bought DVD’s because to most people Blu Ray wasn’t a big change.
    Then by 2010 streaming hit the scene with Netflix, while at first Netflix was niche, by the time Blu Ray would’ve been more successful in the mid 2010’s, Netflix fully became the giant we know today.
    So I think the rise of Netflix and streaming killed the Blu Ray as a main format for the home market, and instead Blu Ray became apart of the collectors market.

  • @schtormm
    @schtormm Месяц назад +4

    3:40 ah yes, famous Asian company Philips

  • @orinokonx01
    @orinokonx01 Месяц назад +3

    Freaking enjoyed this f4mi!! Thanks for the effort you put into making this!

  • @amirulaiman8673
    @amirulaiman8673 Месяц назад +3

    I think there's one more format wars that also took place during the 2000s that nobody has really talked about yet,
    Memory Stick (and other removable flash formats) vs SD.

  • @aronedu
    @aronedu Месяц назад +3

    Your videos go so hard, they are amazing. As a data person, I gotta warn you to ignore the views upon launch. I save your stuff and that of top creators for special occasions and sometimes take days to watch because they are so good. 😊

  • @hajilee4539
    @hajilee4539 Месяц назад +2

    When that person on the phone at the end starting talking, I thought for a second Nerrel got a cameo. Now I really want that lol
    Just like last time and the time before, this video is better than last time and the time before. Phenomenal, one of the best subs I've ever given.

  • @Dalek22comments
    @Dalek22comments Месяц назад +4

    "And also this small startup called DIS-NEY!"
    Very well done video. I still remember this format war, and it happened very quickly.

  • @MrHack4never
    @MrHack4never Месяц назад +21

    >Last format wars
    Let's be honest, every single (movie) streaming service is part of the current format war, because every company in Hollywood wants 110% of everything they can get their hands on

    • @drfsupercenter
      @drfsupercenter Месяц назад +1

      Eh, streaming is a "format" in and of itself though.

    • @RusticRonnie
      @RusticRonnie Месяц назад

      @@drfsupercentertechnically, these were both disk.
      But the streaming war is basically the same thing.

  • @Gamah1991
    @Gamah1991 Месяц назад +5

    Congrats on the first sponsor!! Keep kicking ass, can't wait to see you cross 1M subs :)

  • @kagameen
    @kagameen Месяц назад +2

    bro fami pls never stop. this is like a tech avgn for 2010 kids that loved to read magazines and shit

  • @itzmefurzan
    @itzmefurzan Месяц назад +4

    I really love the font you use on your subtitle. it really give off that DVD era

  • @Kiwi-np5xc
    @Kiwi-np5xc Месяц назад +7

    30 minute long video about the HD-DVD vs Blu Ray format war
    This is why the internet rules

  • @sugarc1rcles
    @sugarc1rcles Месяц назад +11

    Who won? Blu-Ray. Who lost? Everyone, because streaming is worse quality wise and is also more anti-consumer. AAAAAAAAAAA-

  • @rcwdev
    @rcwdev Месяц назад +4

    as a video editor myself, your videos are edited so damn well. every video is a guaranteed banger

    • @hajilee4539
      @hajilee4539 Месяц назад +1

      Same here, and the aesthetic style is something I've always thought of doing but never acted on.

  • @Writing_Gamer_513
    @Writing_Gamer_513 Месяц назад +5

    So to summarize, HDDVDs were supposedly stronger yet brittle, Blu-ray was more durable and had more storage space. Not to mention the HDDVD players are now dying, meanwhile Blu-ray is still on PS5 discs.

  • @gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730
    @gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730 Месяц назад +5

    "dollar bill himself" god i love f4micom

  • @clementpruvost8670
    @clementpruvost8670 Месяц назад +24

    I wish the HD-DVD remained longer in business.

    • @YOEL_44
      @YOEL_44 Месяц назад +7

      You would have wanted more movies to be lost because of a self destructing disc format?

    • @kyj565
      @kyj565 Месяц назад +7

      @@YOEL_44 Early Blu Ray suffered from the same issue though, so did a lot of early 2000's W.B regular DVD's, HD DVD just gets unfair flack for it because it wasn't around long enough to work out the kinks.

    • @EliaszekEN
      @EliaszekEN Месяц назад +1

      @@YOEL_44 they would have fixed it if they stayed longer in business

    • @Johnboy2k7
      @Johnboy2k7 Месяц назад +3

      @@YOEL_44 It has nothing to do with HD DVD per se, but more to do with a manufacturing defect at a WB factory in Pennsylvania. The video gets this wrong. Universal titles are not impacted and WB movies made in Canada are just fine. All of my HD DVDs are pristine and unaffected.

    • @Yetaxa
      @Yetaxa Месяц назад

      There was literally zero benefit of HD-DVD over blu-ray. Less storage, lower bit-rates, and of course the disc rot problem.

  • @Tompie913
    @Tompie913 Месяц назад +2

    My dad has a Toshiba HDDVD player from about 2007. It never worked very well, and I don't think it works at all now. You did remind me how much better the menus were on HDDVD though

  • @wearegeek
    @wearegeek Месяц назад +57

    If it's not legal to make a backup copy of a movie you bought, the laws of your country are broken.

    • @drfsupercenter
      @drfsupercenter Месяц назад +5

      I'm in the US and the RIAA even tried to claim it's illegal to rip CDs you own, and that the only legal way to get music on your computer was to re-buy it from digital music stores like iTunes.
      What a joke. The MAFIAA needs to be broken up.

  • @danielsutherland2599
    @danielsutherland2599 Месяц назад +5

    Damn Fami... You are going to be one of the "big" voices soon.
    Loved your Halo collab with Alex!!

    • @4rumani
      @4rumani Месяц назад +1

      big BOOBS

  • @JakeyAnimates
    @JakeyAnimates Месяц назад +10

    I was wondering when f4mi would come outta the basement again

  • @aprilgwynn
    @aprilgwynn Месяц назад +3

    that zoom out at 21:20 was like an extremely slow flash bang

  • @SteeScribbles
    @SteeScribbles Месяц назад +18

    great video! the Shrek 2 DVD Menu unlocked some memories of idling at the entire screen before watching the movie (or until the movie started by itself). also the peter griffin anime shirt goes HARD
    also TOCA 2 ost representation W

  • @Winghay.Y13
    @Winghay.Y13 Месяц назад +18

    Format Wars still ongoing, they are happening in AI tech, Self-driving cars, Mobile OS etc...

  • @waterdesign9573
    @waterdesign9573 Месяц назад +1

    I love this channel. I found you through your Portal video and I absolutely love your editing and your refrences to things.

  • @pde2619
    @pde2619 Месяц назад +4

    I’d argue there are still current format wars like HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision etc

  • @Israelito_47
    @Israelito_47 Месяц назад +1

    Just felt the need to comment about how awesome your content is! It’s just so cool! Keep up the great work!!

  • @45545videos
    @45545videos Месяц назад +6

    Ooo, fancy subtitles!

  • @RemnantCult
    @RemnantCult Месяц назад +2

    Highest production video so far. I love it.

  • @UriahStuff
    @UriahStuff Месяц назад +3

    There was one more format war, sort of. Ultraviolet vs Movies Anywhere.

  • @06howea1
    @06howea1 Месяц назад +2

    This makes me feel old. Stuff that I grew up with is now a documentary.

  • @laggard3122
    @laggard3122 Месяц назад +4

    initially I was disappointed that this wasn't rendered in 4:3, but given the content of the video I quickly realised that this simply wouldn't be appropriate. thanks f4mi for another banger video

  • @1994ToyotaCamryEnjoyer
    @1994ToyotaCamryEnjoyer Месяц назад +1

    Your production quality is outstanding nowadays. Excellent video!

  • @babbabbabbabbab
    @babbabbabbabbab Месяц назад +10

    WE LOVE f4mi

    • @TechRyze
      @TechRyze 7 дней назад

      WE all want her to focus
      😉

  • @austinacl02
    @austinacl02 Месяц назад +2

    I've literally re-watched all of the videos on RUclips about this topic, and I'm so happy I have a new video to watch!

    • @kyj565
      @kyj565 Месяц назад +1

      Same, I'm one of the people who's stupid enough to collect HD DVD lol

  • @FailureOfAName
    @FailureOfAName Месяц назад +8

    I still am wishing that sony took more Ls so that they remain humble and not the assholes they've become today. Their hardware was amazing sure but i want them to realise that their position atm is detrimental to consumers

  • @-ism8153
    @-ism8153 Месяц назад +1

    As someone still in the market for optical discs, I really wish we had the pro-consumer moves from HDDVD. Especially now that temporary digital ownership is taking over, physical media might stand a better chance if the technology to release movies, watch movies, copy them, and use discs for general data storage were open to anyone.

  • @awethebird
    @awethebird Месяц назад +8

    YESDS NEW F4MI UPLOAD

  • @J.Wick.
    @J.Wick. Месяц назад +2

    I remember I got a brand new XBox 360 HD DVD player in Box at a reputable store, with King Kong of course. For 20$. At that point, obviously, they had conceded to BluRay. But for 20$ I thought it'd atleast save wear/tear on my 360 drive. The HDDVDs were also like 4-5$ a piece. I bought a few. That was my CD/DVD/HDDVD Drive for 2-3 years. Acted fine. Even added an extra USB port on the back. I couldn't tell any difference between HDDVD & BluRay.

  • @astropgn
    @astropgn Месяц назад +4

    In 20 years from now F4mi needs to do a video about the JPGXL war. Google is fighting against it but I hope it loses the battle!

    • @tcscomment
      @tcscomment Месяц назад

      the funniest thing is that Google is one of the companies that invented JPEGXL and they themselves don't care about implementing it properly on Chromium

  • @mazda9624
    @mazda9624 Месяц назад

    Your editing gets crazier and crazier with each new video and your style remains as captivating as ever. So glad I found your channel all those years ago! Congrats on finally getting sponsored!

  • @poobd
    @poobd Месяц назад +3

    shoutouts to youtube pushing this video to my front page

  • @kpgames7288
    @kpgames7288 Месяц назад +1

    This was a great video, really funny when I really wasn't expecting it, subbed 😂

  • @WeAreMovieMakers
    @WeAreMovieMakers Месяц назад +4

    2:58 what now?

  • @KomradZX1989
    @KomradZX1989 Месяц назад +1

    Just discovered your channel from this video. I was hooked from the start. You earned my sub ❤
    Cheers from St. Louis, USA 🇺🇸

  • @acolize8883
    @acolize8883 Месяц назад +10

    0:56 swaggin reference

  • @YOEL_44
    @YOEL_44 Месяц назад +6

    Aaaaa!!!!
    F4mi has uploaded, leave everything and watch!!

  • @DangItshere
    @DangItshere Месяц назад +1

    Now someone HAS to try gaming on Toshiba's first HD DVD player

  • @Tamajyn
    @Tamajyn Месяц назад +5

    Funnily enough at 11:48 to me the HD DVD looks slightly better. It has more dynamic range to my eye. The highlights on John's face roll off nicer and aren't quite as blown out and there's slightly more detail in his hair above his ear on the shadow side. It's really subtle but it's there

  • @666hellmoose
    @666hellmoose Месяц назад

    glad to see you finally picking up some sponsors! the grab bag of interesting media related stories is what makes this one of my favorite channels!

  • @MelhodRiperton
    @MelhodRiperton Месяц назад +3

    E-Z Rollers - Retro (Toca 2 OST)
    24:51

    • @blackflagqwerty
      @blackflagqwerty Месяц назад

      Hehe I started trawling the comments to see if anyone else noticed.

  • @unluckygoose8456
    @unluckygoose8456 Месяц назад

    I was literally searching this topic yesterday and found your video, I love when I have a channel to bingewatch on my free time, subscribed loved it

  • @home1star
    @home1star Месяц назад +3

    YEA BABBYE

  • @RegnStövel
    @RegnStövel Месяц назад +1

    I love the way you say "Blu!"

  • @ManfredRoslinger
    @ManfredRoslinger Месяц назад +3

    5:18 Smasnug :DDDD

  • @porter5224
    @porter5224 28 дней назад

    Very well done video! When I was a kid I could never figure out why there was even a difference between something like DVD, HDDVD (lol) and Blu-ray, so this video sort of answered some unanswered question about my childhood. The editing is also very good!

  • @xirxes
    @xirxes Месяц назад +23

    Babe wake up fresh f4mi dropped!

  • @NickLaslett
    @NickLaslett Месяц назад +1

    The AVSForums were wild during the format wars.

  • @Danominator
    @Danominator Месяц назад +6

    Between the DVDs and the hair colors I'm starting to think f4mi is alternate-dimension Ramona Flowers.

  • @ScareGrid
    @ScareGrid Месяц назад +1

    This channel has become the one I get most excited for when I see a new upload