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The Last Format War (hun that wasn't the last format war) 😂you clearly haven't heard of PNG/JPG/MP4 vs WEBP/AVIF currently going on (also the rise of SD/SSD vs NVME vs HDD that happened after Bluray VS HDDVD)
The windows answer is powerdvd. It's always been powerdvd. Not using it is problems. Oh I'll use random unknown software instead of powerdvd that comes with retail drives. Yeah. Not surprised it doesn't work.
Selling a whole computer running linux because you couldn't deliver a player in time is honestly the kind of mad genius move from a tired engineering team i love to see
"yo, why don't we just like, make linux computers and sell them" said the janitor, concerned while looking at the engineers in the meeting room banging their heads
@djungelskog2654 *the team of exhausted engineers slowly lift their heads out of meeting table, slowly looking with aw at the janitor, staring at him like a profit who has returned after 1000 years of silence*
This is something Gravis might talk about in the future. It's a small form factor computer running Linux and it's using obsolete media format. He will get to this
@@emdotrod Knowing Gravis and his massive collection of hardware there in Seattle, growing by the week, I am sure of it. I’m excited to see it come up on an upload a few months down the line. (:
The ironic part about bluray. Is while gamers bawked at the launch price of the PS3. It was actually the cheapest blu ray player on the market first couple years. On the flip side early adopters of dedicated blu ray players w no ethernet port were weren’t able to read blu ray discs that were pressed after 2010 due to non-upgradable firmware
Yes. But then it wasn't that they couldn't read the discs, but that the menu system requirements escalated and the early players were not completely blue book compatible. (or if the standard was not yet final, IDK) So discs with heavy use of Java things simply could not start playback, because everything menu had to go through the disc software. The key issue of course is another problem, but that came much later on. So those old players can still work fine on new discs as long as they are not needlessly complicated, or need new keys. I think HDDVD had (at least originally) a standard way to play discs without going through disc software. ? But that would be beside the point now when most discs apparently can't be read anyway I suppose.
Wait, it wasn't possible to get the firmware, put it on a flash drive or cd-r and use that to update? That's kinda odd considering that's how some DVD-players could be updated
@@MrHack4never Probably. But support for firmware usually ended fairly quickly regardless a player had USB or Ethernet. 🙃 And while I haven't seen any not having USB, it's important to keep in mind it was sometimes used only to keep bookmarks or download the BD-Live content. Which was a really daft concept for a disc with "massive storage capabilities" obviously. 😺 That wasn't the actual problem early days though. The hardware simply sometimes was not even capable of running the complex menu. So a firmware update wouldn't have fixed it anyway. The importance of this can also be observed in the start-up time between players that both do at least play a disc. It can be 20 seconds on one, to several minutes on another.
@@AltCutTVWhat's even worse is that the last like 20 PS3 updates have just been updates to support newer Blu-ray releases. It is STILL the most used Blu-ray player on the market.
Weren't there even titles that had to download some key to even play and so wouldn't play on blu-ray Players that had no ethernet? I just remember it was a pain to watch blu-rays on a mac, it had to connect and download some master keys for any new release.
I was a fan of the format at the time, since it actually explained what it was to people who didn't know technology. By 2006 when the format was released, we all knew what DVDs were, we knew what high definition was, therefore you know what a HD DVD is. Meanwhile people were going "wtf is a blue ray?"
I worked at Microsoft on the team that was working on the codecs for the Xbox 360's HD DVD player, so HD DVD is near and dear to my heart. I remember my boss ended up creating a test library of HD DVD movies that we all ended up raiding for movies to watch at our desks or at home. The HD DVD content was all over the place, though. Some of the content was near-NSFW stuff from Japan, but we needed it so that we could test all the different codecs supported by the spec. Good times. We were all gifted the Xbox 360 HD DVD drives at the end of the project, which was nice. Sadly, I donated it to Goodwill years later when I was trying to get rid of a lot of stuff. It was very cool seeing them in the stores, though, even though they never did take off.
i’ve heard they specifically gave out black/elite-colored variants of the drive and remote exclusively to dev team members; they pop up online every so often. wish they brought that color to market, makes the thing look pretty cool imo.
I certainty didn't expect to see a reddit post I made over a year ago with 17 upvotes to show up in an incredibly well put together video essay on the format war in general. I thought it got lost to the void lol, but I'm glad it helped! Thanks for the shout out! - NostalgicNemo
I had an HD-DVD drive for the 360 back in the day, and my family never used it. The only reason we got it was because when I was like 8 I found it just sitting outside next to a bin with no cables or anything. I then promptly took it inside tried to plug it without any cables. Suffice to say I couldn't, so I asked my dad if I could get the cable on eBay he said fine. Afterwards we only bought like 5 movies for it. At least we got it for nothing though.
@@garystinten9339 I feel that if you go physical, you don't really need ultra high HD. It's nice to have, but it isn't completely integral to the whole experience. Although, if you are one of those people who'd rather have a cleaner image, I'd rather go for Blu-ray. You can easily find an older PS4 slim or Blu-ray player for a pretty good price and have a damn good experience.
@@garystinten9339If you're gonna try to get HD-DVD, don't. It's a dead format that no one uses and no company is producing for anymore. Now if you want an HD format, just go with Blu-ray. It's a clean image with companies still making movies for it.
Wym you got it for nothing? You got your dad to spend money on cables, and buying things online was sketchy af back then. You also bought 5 movies for it
@@wednesday122 I'm sorry. I probably should've specified the year. It was 2010 and buying stuff on ebay wasn't sketchy then. Also, the cables were like 5-15 dollars I'm pretty sure and while I don't remember how much each movie was, if I had to guess it was probably like 5 bucks each.
The HD-A1 HD-DVD player wasn't just a Pentium 4 PC, it also had 2 Xilinx FPGAs plus a CPLD, a Broadcom h.264/vc1 decoder ASIC, and a quad-core Analog Devices audio DSP. It must have been incredibly expensive to produce, which makes the $800 it sold for an absolute steal.
At least Sendhil Ramamurthy got to play a metahuman for the first time, which made him a go-to actor for such roles (he was in both Flash and Doom Patrol at the same time and now got cast in James Gunn's rebooted DC Universe).
i just wanna say thank you for taking the time to make real subtitles with the custom formatting. watching other youtubers can be a pain in the ass because they think auto generated captions are enough but you took the time to make your video accessible and it made my day.
@@Ultravorenot really, most are marginally better than BD.. Saying this as a collector of hundreds lol. Now the real major difference is 3D Bluray, that format literally has no competition and looks amazing
@@kelownatechkid Nah you're cherrpicking. Colors on 4k look way better. And many early blu rays were terrible transfers. Tbf not all 4k transfers were winners
The BluRay is probably the only Sony consumer media that was a success. And yet, I can still find DVDs on the grocery store, barely any BluRays. They won the battle, but lost the war to online streaming.
Ayyy, YT notifs actually worked. HYPE. HD DVD instructions unclear: I have accidentally discovered the fabled XBOX 720 Handheld. Great vid, important to note that Sony PS2s were considered value because it could play movies that the parents wanted (without the silly xbox dvd remote), and then the kids could game on it too. This carried over to the next generations. Anecdotally, this was the case for myself and many of my friends, and despite the high initial cost, a gen 1 PS3 was seen as worth it because (backwards compatible, memory card slots for photo video ecosystem, Blu-ray and DvD player, with internet browser and no initial subscription to online services like Xbox LIVE required) it did the whole "windows media center" experience without actually having my parents be computer literate or hooking the PS3 up to the PC.
Fun fact about the Xbox DVD remote. You know how all PS2 games have either a Compact Disc or DVD-ROM logo on the box and on the disc? Yeah, well you probably notice Xbox, Xbox 360 and Wii games don't. Similarly PS3 games all have the Blu-ray logo, but Xbox One and Wii U discs don't. Xbox (and later Wii) used the same actual disc format as PS2 - that being DVD - but Microsoft didn't want to pay the licensing/royalty fee for it. I'm not sure how they got away with it, but the long and short of it is that if they actually licensed the DVD specifications, they'd have to pay a royalty with every console sold, and Microsoft didn't want to do that. Sony marketed the PS2 as a DVD player, so obviously they did - which is why every PS2 can play DVDs out of the box. But of course, the Xbox *does* use a DVD-ROM drive, so there's no technical reason it wouldn't have been able to play your DVD movies. It would have been illegal for Microsoft to enable DVD playback without paying the royalty, which is calculated by units sold - so what they did was sold a "media remote" that, when plugged into your console, enabled the DVD playback and they paid the royalty on those accessories instead of the entire Xbox. That way, if let's say only 10% of Xbox owners bought the media remote, then they only have to pay 10% of the royalties they'd have to pay if it was included out of the box. So yeah, everybody thought it was annoying that you had to buy a special remote just to play DVDs on your Xbox, but that was a calculated business decision for Microsoft. Of course the Xbox 360 could play them natively, because by that point they just decided to eat the cost. This is also why Windows 10 can't play DVDs anymore when Vista, 7 and 8 all could - Microsoft realized the number of people still playing DVDs (and PCs that even have an optical drive) are low, so they didn't want to have to pay a royalty for every copy of Windows sold. If you want to enable it in Windows 10 you can pay $10 for the DVD Player app which includes the royalty
@@drfsupercenter Thats really cool, didnt know that the tech was in but locked behind a licensing decision packaged into a plastic remote. That probably explains the really cool hypermodded xbox theatre I saw back in the day at a friends house. Thanks for the share!
I’m halfway through the video. Please make a video about Heroes. Even though I’ve never watched the show, I really like stories about the writers strike.
Yo I saw that LightScribe logo on that drive from Mark at 22:43 , LightScribe was sooo cool I wish it caught on more and we could print more things with lasers.
That HD-DVD player being just a computer is actually funny. because HD video playback was horrible before GPU decoding became a thing around 2009, even a Core 2 Duo would struggle.
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Are these real subtitles or AI recognition? At 2:51 especially, the data on a disc is stored using "pits and lands", not "bits and lines", and the wavelength is "shorter", not "shoulder". Please, if you care about accessibility, use real subtitles written by a human who can use context and understand the proper words. Don't trust a computer to get it right.
When that person on the phone at the end starting talking, I thought for a second Nerrel got a cameo. Now I really want that lol Just like last time and the time before, this video is better than last time and the time before. Phenomenal, one of the best subs I've ever given.
Your videos go so hard, they are amazing. As a data person, I gotta warn you to ignore the views upon launch. I save your stuff and that of top creators for special occasions and sometimes take days to watch because they are so good. 😊
I think there's one more format wars that also took place during the 2000s that nobody has really talked about yet, Memory Stick (and other removable flash formats) vs SD.
The windows answer is powerdvd. It's always been powerdvd. Not using it is problems. Oh I'll use random unknown software instead of powerdvd that comes with retail drives. Yeah. Not surprised it doesn't work.
Oh also, Linux players like MPV and VLC have Windows versions. The only excuse is user incompetence in not installing software that works. I'm sure Google has tons of links about playing hddvd, and none of them say to use some unknown outdated software that runs on XP. Blu-ray was more a Windows 7 thing, maybe even Vista for HD DVD, but there is no software incompatibility from Vista to 10.
My dad has a Toshiba HDDVD player from about 2007. It never worked very well, and I don't think it works at all now. You did remind me how much better the menus were on HDDVD though
great video! the Shrek 2 DVD Menu unlocked some memories of idling at the entire screen before watching the movie (or until the movie started by itself). also the peter griffin anime shirt goes HARD also TOCA 2 ost representation W
I've lived through this format war. I worked at retail at the time, selling minidv camcorders and digital cameras. Ocasionally there was a customer inquiry about the best way to record the footage from their camcorders, if it was blu-ray or hd-dvd, and we always went on to say that neither was a good option overall. We've just plain told then capture footage to a computer and then copy it to an external drive, and eventually burn into a dvd so anyone could watch it. I've even started a side gig for this for customers that didn't want to learn how to capture their minidv footage into their pc.
What killed HD DVD was Microsoft not having the XBox 360 have built in HD DVD capability, like Sony did with Blu Ray for the PS3. So the console wars was responsible for the death of HD DVD. But the thing is by the time Blu Ray won the war in 2007 and started becoming a new format, Streaming would arrive not too far later in 2010. Remember the DVD came out in 1996, but the height of DVD sales wasn’t until 2005, 2005 was the peak of the DVD in sales. So for another format to come out 2 years later in Blu Ray in 2007, most people didn’t understand this transition to Blu Ray at the time. Most people just still bought DVD’s because to most people Blu Ray wasn’t a big change. Then by 2010 streaming hit the scene with Netflix, while at first Netflix was niche, by the time Blu Ray would’ve been more successful in the mid 2010’s, Netflix fully became the giant we know today. So I think the rise of Netflix and streaming killed the Blu Ray as a main format for the home market, and instead Blu Ray became apart of the collectors market.
So to summarize, HDDVDs were supposedly stronger yet brittle, Blu-ray was more durable and had more storage space. Not to mention the HDDVD players are now dying, meanwhile Blu-ray is still on PS5 discs.
initially I was disappointed that this wasn't rendered in 4:3, but given the content of the video I quickly realised that this simply wouldn't be appropriate. thanks f4mi for another banger video
>Last format wars Let's be honest, every single (movie) streaming service is part of the current format war, because every company in Hollywood wants 110% of everything they can get their hands on
The best HD-DVD playing "console" is the Steam Deck. Just use a USB Type A->C adapter for your drive and you're done. VLC on Linux doesn't need anything else, it just works. I'd imagine it's the same on Android since that's equally Linux but am too lazy to confirm.
Your editing gets crazier and crazier with each new video and your style remains as captivating as ever. So glad I found your channel all those years ago! Congrats on finally getting sponsored!
@@YOEL_44 Early Blu Ray suffered from the same issue though, so did a lot of early 2000's W.B regular DVD's, HD DVD just gets unfair flack for it because it wasn't around long enough to work out the kinks.
@@YOEL_44 It has nothing to do with HD DVD per se, but more to do with a manufacturing defect at a WB factory in Pennsylvania. The video gets this wrong. Universal titles are not impacted and WB movies made in Canada are just fine. All of my HD DVDs are pristine and unaffected.
I'm in the US and the RIAA even tried to claim it's illegal to rip CDs you own, and that the only legal way to get music on your computer was to re-buy it from digital music stores like iTunes. What a joke. The MAFIAA needs to be broken up.
I remember I got a brand new XBox 360 HD DVD player in Box at a reputable store, with King Kong of course. For 20$. At that point, obviously, they had conceded to BluRay. But for 20$ I thought it'd atleast save wear/tear on my 360 drive. The HDDVDs were also like 4-5$ a piece. I bought a few. That was my CD/DVD/HDDVD Drive for 2-3 years. Acted fine. Even added an extra USB port on the back. I couldn't tell any difference between HDDVD & BluRay.
As someone still in the market for optical discs, I really wish we had the pro-consumer moves from HDDVD. Especially now that temporary digital ownership is taking over, physical media might stand a better chance if the technology to release movies, watch movies, copy them, and use discs for general data storage were open to anyone.
I still am wishing that sony took more Ls so that they remain humble and not the assholes they've become today. Their hardware was amazing sure but i want them to realise that their position atm is detrimental to consumers
Very well done video! When I was a kid I could never figure out why there was even a difference between something like DVD, HDDVD (lol) and Blu-ray, so this video sort of answered some unanswered question about my childhood. The editing is also very good!
I never got a hands-on expirience with the HD DVD, but I remember the hi-fi magazines back in the day were all about this "war". LG even had a full hybrid disc players - Super Multi Blue (BH100 and BH200 models), not only this PC drive that you showed in the video. Great content!
the funniest thing is that Google is one of the companies that invented JPEGXL and they themselves don't care about implementing it properly on Chromium
I always forget you don't have 89 trillion subscribers, you seem like the most well-known video essayist on the platform alongside hbomb. All this to say im excited to watch this :3
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The Last Format War (hun that wasn't the last format war) 😂you clearly haven't heard of PNG/JPG/MP4 vs WEBP/AVIF currently going on (also the rise of SD/SSD vs NVME vs HDD that happened after Bluray VS HDDVD)
The windows answer is powerdvd. It's always been powerdvd. Not using it is problems. Oh I'll use random unknown software instead of powerdvd that comes with retail drives. Yeah. Not surprised it doesn't work.
Selling a whole computer running linux because you couldn't deliver a player in time is honestly the kind of mad genius move from a tired engineering team i love to see
"yo, why don't we just like, make linux computers and sell them" said the janitor, concerned while looking at the engineers in the meeting room banging their heads
Dude a hd dvd player that you could in theory put a GeForce 7 series gpu into. Why because fuck you my hd dvd player has a gpu in it
@djungelskog2654 *the team of exhausted engineers slowly lift their heads out of meeting table, slowly looking with aw at the janitor, staring at him like a profit who has returned after 1000 years of silence*
This is something Gravis might talk about in the future. It's a small form factor computer running Linux and it's using obsolete media format. He will get to this
@@emdotrod Knowing Gravis and his massive collection of hardware there in Seattle, growing by the week, I am sure of it. I’m excited to see it come up on an upload a few months down the line. (:
The ironic part about bluray. Is while gamers bawked at the launch price of the PS3. It was actually the cheapest blu ray player on the market first couple years. On the flip side early adopters of dedicated blu ray players w no ethernet port were weren’t able to read blu ray discs that were pressed after 2010 due to non-upgradable firmware
Yes. But then it wasn't that they couldn't read the discs, but that the menu system requirements escalated and the early players were not completely blue book compatible. (or if the standard was not yet final, IDK) So discs with heavy use of Java things simply could not start playback, because everything menu had to go through the disc software. The key issue of course is another problem, but that came much later on. So those old players can still work fine on new discs as long as they are not needlessly complicated, or need new keys.
I think HDDVD had (at least originally) a standard way to play discs without going through disc software. ? But that would be beside the point now when most discs apparently can't be read anyway I suppose.
Wait, it wasn't possible to get the firmware, put it on a flash drive or cd-r and use that to update? That's kinda odd considering that's how some DVD-players could be updated
@@MrHack4never Probably. But support for firmware usually ended fairly quickly regardless a player had USB or Ethernet. 🙃 And while I haven't seen any not having USB, it's important to keep in mind it was sometimes used only to keep bookmarks or download the BD-Live content. Which was a really daft concept for a disc with "massive storage capabilities" obviously. 😺
That wasn't the actual problem early days though. The hardware simply sometimes was not even capable of running the complex menu. So a firmware update wouldn't have fixed it anyway.
The importance of this can also be observed in the start-up time between players that both do at least play a disc. It can be 20 seconds on one, to several minutes on another.
@@AltCutTVWhat's even worse is that the last like 20 PS3 updates have just been updates to support newer Blu-ray releases. It is STILL the most used Blu-ray player on the market.
Weren't there even titles that had to download some key to even play and so wouldn't play on blu-ray Players that had no ethernet? I just remember it was a pain to watch blu-rays on a mac, it had to connect and download some master keys for any new release.
You're the ONLY RUclipsr that I've seen actually take advantage of the custom subtitle formatting
Holy shit! That is really cool!
Tom Scott does too
There was one video here on yt where a guy demonstrates all the feature of the formatting
@@lachlanlau idk if this is the one you mean, but one person did the entire "bad apple" animation using only subtitles.
Tf2 youtuber Solarlight also does make use of them and theyre really nice to the eyes
"HDDVD" is the single most 2000's thing that could ever come out of someone's mouth.
Is like when everyone put the suffix “hd” in everything
I was a fan of the format at the time, since it actually explained what it was to people who didn't know technology. By 2006 when the format was released, we all knew what DVDs were, we knew what high definition was, therefore you know what a HD DVD is.
Meanwhile people were going "wtf is a blue ray?"
"Hey bro, you want a Surge?"
I worked at Microsoft on the team that was working on the codecs for the Xbox 360's HD DVD player, so HD DVD is near and dear to my heart. I remember my boss ended up creating a test library of HD DVD movies that we all ended up raiding for movies to watch at our desks or at home. The HD DVD content was all over the place, though. Some of the content was near-NSFW stuff from Japan, but we needed it so that we could test all the different codecs supported by the spec. Good times.
We were all gifted the Xbox 360 HD DVD drives at the end of the project, which was nice. Sadly, I donated it to Goodwill years later when I was trying to get rid of a lot of stuff. It was very cool seeing them in the stores, though, even though they never did take off.
i’ve heard they specifically gave out black/elite-colored variants of the drive and remote exclusively to dev team members; they pop up online every so often. wish they brought that color to market, makes the thing look pretty cool imo.
If the Xbox 360 was released a year later coinciding with the release of the PS3, surely it would feature a HD-DVD drive instead of a DVD drive.
the editing and animation work on this video is INSANE
Yeah, those 3D rendered scenes (even if low poly and stylized) looked incredibly realistic.
oh, a fellow Maiden and Spell enjoyer, hello!
I certainty didn't expect to see a reddit post I made over a year ago with 17 upvotes to show up in an incredibly well put together video essay on the format war in general. I thought it got lost to the void lol, but I'm glad it helped! Thanks for the shout out! - NostalgicNemo
I had an HD-DVD drive for the 360 back in the day, and my family never used it. The only reason we got it was because when I was like 8 I found it just sitting outside next to a bin with no cables or anything. I then promptly took it inside tried to plug it without any cables. Suffice to say I couldn't, so I asked my dad if I could get the cable on eBay he said fine. Afterwards we only bought like 5 movies for it. At least we got it for nothing though.
Worth a look.. in your opinion.. how do you think it compared to DVD?
@@garystinten9339 I feel that if you go physical, you don't really need ultra high HD. It's nice to have, but it isn't completely integral to the whole experience. Although, if you are one of those people who'd rather have a cleaner image, I'd rather go for Blu-ray. You can easily find an older PS4 slim or Blu-ray player for a pretty good price and have a damn good experience.
@@garystinten9339If you're gonna try to get HD-DVD, don't. It's a dead format that no one uses and no company is producing for anymore. Now if you want an HD format, just go with Blu-ray. It's a clean image with companies still making movies for it.
Wym you got it for nothing? You got your dad to spend money on cables, and buying things online was sketchy af back then. You also bought 5 movies for it
@@wednesday122 I'm sorry. I probably should've specified the year. It was 2010 and buying stuff on ebay wasn't sketchy then. Also, the cables were like 5-15 dollars I'm pretty sure and while I don't remember how much each movie was, if I had to guess it was probably like 5 bucks each.
The HD-A1 HD-DVD player wasn't just a Pentium 4 PC, it also had 2 Xilinx FPGAs plus a CPLD, a Broadcom h.264/vc1 decoder ASIC, and a quad-core Analog Devices audio DSP. It must have been incredibly expensive to produce, which makes the $800 it sold for an absolute steal.
holy shit i wonder how much money they were losing per player
@@f4micomdo HDdvds play on blu ray players
@@oli_gordonno.
@@bouncypear_net damn
I saw a HDdvd sealed today in a charity shop
If it's X86, then it could run DOOM
Literally just finished watching Scott the Woz' last vid about (among other things) Blu-ray Vs HD-Dvd, can't wait to dive right back in with you !
Which video is that?
@@sirjanska9575 "Movies for Game Consoles - Scott the Woz"
@@sirjanska9575Movies for Game Consoles is the one
Tho Xbox 360 vs PS3 has 1 section where he goes over what video format each console used
@@sirjanska9575 "Movies for game consoles"
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I'm living for the heroes glazing. That show had so much potential.
At least Sendhil Ramamurthy got to play a metahuman for the first time, which made him a go-to actor for such roles (he was in both Flash and Doom Patrol at the same time and now got cast in James Gunn's rebooted DC Universe).
16:08 CHEVRON ORIGINALS lmao that was genuinely hilarious. Funny and good video!
I looked at the Super Density Disc logo, and I was like, HOLD UP! IS THAT WHERE THE SD CARD LOGO COMES FROM?!
i just wanna say thank you for taking the time to make real subtitles with the custom formatting. watching other youtubers can be a pain in the ass because they think auto generated captions are enough but you took the time to make your video accessible and it made my day.
Congrats on the sponsor, and the production quality bump really shows, holy hecc
26:26 I've never felt so threatened by someone telling me they don't know where I live.
blue ray will always be the best format for any kind of shows or movies at home, they blow streaming out of the water
I wish blue ray also Had cool menus like DVDs
UHD-BD's are much better bro.
@@Ultravorenot really, most are marginally better than BD.. Saying this as a collector of hundreds lol. Now the real major difference is 3D Bluray, that format literally has no competition and looks amazing
@@kelownatechkid
Nah you're cherrpicking. Colors on 4k look way better. And many early blu rays were terrible transfers. Tbf not all 4k transfers were winners
The physical format war is over, but it's spirit carries on forever in the world of file formats
The BluRay is probably the only Sony consumer media that was a success.
And yet, I can still find DVDs on the grocery store, barely any BluRays.
They won the battle, but lost the war to online streaming.
Well, they co-owned CD (I think it was split like 60% Philips and 40% Sony).
They did succeed with the 3.5" floppy
And now they are trying to get rid of it with the PlayStation 5 Pro. What nonsense
Cd’s are clutching their way back. This will probably also influence blu-ray and dvd’s
@@tezcanaslan2877 stores stopped selling Blu rays now
Aww I miss format wars. We should start our own!
Matt Grey Try's: Making my own Media format
JpegXL vs AVIF!
Well the war between RCS and whatever Apple uses just ended so that's cool I guess
Blu vs Red truly a TF2 moment of all time
Ayyy, YT notifs actually worked. HYPE.
HD DVD instructions unclear: I have accidentally discovered the fabled XBOX 720 Handheld.
Great vid, important to note that Sony PS2s were considered value because it could play movies that the parents wanted (without the silly xbox dvd remote), and then the kids could game on it too. This carried over to the next generations.
Anecdotally, this was the case for myself and many of my friends, and despite the high initial cost, a gen 1 PS3 was seen as worth it because (backwards compatible, memory card slots for photo video ecosystem, Blu-ray and DvD player, with internet browser and no initial subscription to online services like Xbox LIVE required) it did the whole "windows media center" experience without actually having my parents be computer literate or hooking the PS3 up to the PC.
Fun fact about the Xbox DVD remote.
You know how all PS2 games have either a Compact Disc or DVD-ROM logo on the box and on the disc? Yeah, well you probably notice Xbox, Xbox 360 and Wii games don't. Similarly PS3 games all have the Blu-ray logo, but Xbox One and Wii U discs don't.
Xbox (and later Wii) used the same actual disc format as PS2 - that being DVD - but Microsoft didn't want to pay the licensing/royalty fee for it. I'm not sure how they got away with it, but the long and short of it is that if they actually licensed the DVD specifications, they'd have to pay a royalty with every console sold, and Microsoft didn't want to do that. Sony marketed the PS2 as a DVD player, so obviously they did - which is why every PS2 can play DVDs out of the box.
But of course, the Xbox *does* use a DVD-ROM drive, so there's no technical reason it wouldn't have been able to play your DVD movies. It would have been illegal for Microsoft to enable DVD playback without paying the royalty, which is calculated by units sold - so what they did was sold a "media remote" that, when plugged into your console, enabled the DVD playback and they paid the royalty on those accessories instead of the entire Xbox. That way, if let's say only 10% of Xbox owners bought the media remote, then they only have to pay 10% of the royalties they'd have to pay if it was included out of the box.
So yeah, everybody thought it was annoying that you had to buy a special remote just to play DVDs on your Xbox, but that was a calculated business decision for Microsoft. Of course the Xbox 360 could play them natively, because by that point they just decided to eat the cost. This is also why Windows 10 can't play DVDs anymore when Vista, 7 and 8 all could - Microsoft realized the number of people still playing DVDs (and PCs that even have an optical drive) are low, so they didn't want to have to pay a royalty for every copy of Windows sold. If you want to enable it in Windows 10 you can pay $10 for the DVD Player app which includes the royalty
@@drfsupercenter Thats really cool, didnt know that the tech was in but locked behind a licensing decision packaged into a plastic remote. That probably explains the really cool hypermodded xbox theatre I saw back in the day at a friends house. Thanks for the share!
>Talk about a war of two formats disc
>Sponsered by a war games with tanks, ships, and planes
genius
21:23 I want that Madoka Griffin shirt.
I’m halfway through the video. Please make a video about Heroes. Even though I’ve never watched the show, I really like stories about the writers strike.
F4mi covering media format wars from the 2000s with a Evangelion thumbnail is something I never thought I’d ever see
Sony and Toshiba being at war in the medium realm is funny because they were building the Cell BE processor.
easily your best video, crazy production value.
Yo I saw that LightScribe logo on that drive from Mark at 22:43 , LightScribe was sooo cool I wish it caught on more and we could print more things with lasers.
There was also LabelFlash, the same thing but that can also label any DVD on the data side if there are blank spaces left.
That HD-DVD player being just a computer is actually funny.
because HD video playback was horrible before GPU decoding became a thing around 2009, even a Core 2 Duo would struggle.
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I think I can see the styling properly on revanced
Are these real subtitles or AI recognition? At 2:51 especially, the data on a disc is stored using "pits and lands", not "bits and lines", and the wavelength is "shorter", not "shoulder".
Please, if you care about accessibility, use real subtitles written by a human who can use context and understand the proper words. Don't trust a computer to get it right.
Until this point, I've never heard a single time in my entire life about "HD DVD"
sad
@@YS_Production I guess I didn't missed out much tho.
Technology connections, lets go! Oh wait
honestly i'd take being compared to TC as a huge compliment
Omg that OceanGate cap is so thematic right now 😂
3:40 ah yes, famous Asian company Philips
When that person on the phone at the end starting talking, I thought for a second Nerrel got a cameo. Now I really want that lol
Just like last time and the time before, this video is better than last time and the time before. Phenomenal, one of the best subs I've ever given.
Early 2000s Microsoft calling anything Anti-Consumer is hilarious. Come on, Bill
bro fami pls never stop. this is like a tech avgn for 2010 kids that loved to read magazines and shit
took me a minute to realize you did custom formatting for the captions, love to see it!! the production value of the entire video is amazing too
Your videos go so hard, they are amazing. As a data person, I gotta warn you to ignore the views upon launch. I save your stuff and that of top creators for special occasions and sometimes take days to watch because they are so good. 😊
"And also this small startup called DIS-NEY!"
Very well done video. I still remember this format war, and it happened very quickly.
Freaking enjoyed this f4mi!! Thanks for the effort you put into making this!
as a video editor myself, your videos are edited so damn well. every video is a guaranteed banger
Same here, and the aesthetic style is something I've always thought of doing but never acted on.
I really love the font you use on your subtitle. it really give off that DVD era
I think there's one more format wars that also took place during the 2000s that nobody has really talked about yet,
Memory Stick (and other removable flash formats) vs SD.
Linux can play HD DVD without a licensed player key, just putting that out there.
The windows answer is powerdvd. It's always been powerdvd. Not using it is problems. Oh I'll use random unknown software instead of powerdvd that comes with retail drives. Yeah. Not surprised it doesn't work.
Oh also, Linux players like MPV and VLC have Windows versions. The only excuse is user incompetence in not installing software that works. I'm sure Google has tons of links about playing hddvd, and none of them say to use some unknown outdated software that runs on XP. Blu-ray was more a Windows 7 thing, maybe even Vista for HD DVD, but there is no software incompatibility from Vista to 10.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oq Right answer, wrong delivery.
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My dad has a Toshiba HDDVD player from about 2007. It never worked very well, and I don't think it works at all now. You did remind me how much better the menus were on HDDVD though
great video! the Shrek 2 DVD Menu unlocked some memories of idling at the entire screen before watching the movie (or until the movie started by itself). also the peter griffin anime shirt goes HARD
also TOCA 2 ost representation W
I've lived through this format war. I worked at retail at the time, selling minidv camcorders and digital cameras. Ocasionally there was a customer inquiry about the best way to record the footage from their camcorders, if it was blu-ray or hd-dvd, and we always went on to say that neither was a good option overall. We've just plain told then capture footage to a computer and then copy it to an external drive, and eventually burn into a dvd so anyone could watch it. I've even started a side gig for this for customers that didn't want to learn how to capture their minidv footage into their pc.
"dollar bill himself" god i love f4micom
30 minute long video about the HD-DVD vs Blu Ray format war
This is why the internet rules
What killed HD DVD was Microsoft not having the XBox 360 have built in HD DVD capability, like Sony did with Blu Ray for the PS3.
So the console wars was responsible for the death of HD DVD.
But the thing is by the time Blu Ray won the war in 2007 and started becoming a new format, Streaming would arrive not too far later in 2010.
Remember the DVD came out in 1996, but the height of DVD sales wasn’t until 2005, 2005 was the peak of the DVD in sales.
So for another format to come out 2 years later in Blu Ray in 2007, most people didn’t understand this transition to Blu Ray at the time.
Most people just still bought DVD’s because to most people Blu Ray wasn’t a big change.
Then by 2010 streaming hit the scene with Netflix, while at first Netflix was niche, by the time Blu Ray would’ve been more successful in the mid 2010’s, Netflix fully became the giant we know today.
So I think the rise of Netflix and streaming killed the Blu Ray as a main format for the home market, and instead Blu Ray became apart of the collectors market.
Damn Fami... You are going to be one of the "big" voices soon.
Loved your Halo collab with Alex!!
big BOOBS
Who won? Blu-Ray. Who lost? Everyone, because streaming is worse quality wise and is also more anti-consumer. AAAAAAAAAAA-
So to summarize, HDDVDs were supposedly stronger yet brittle, Blu-ray was more durable and had more storage space. Not to mention the HDDVD players are now dying, meanwhile Blu-ray is still on PS5 discs.
Highest production video so far. I love it.
initially I was disappointed that this wasn't rendered in 4:3, but given the content of the video I quickly realised that this simply wouldn't be appropriate. thanks f4mi for another banger video
I've literally re-watched all of the videos on RUclips about this topic, and I'm so happy I have a new video to watch!
Same, I'm one of the people who's stupid enough to collect HD DVD lol
that zoom out at 21:20 was like an extremely slow flash bang
Now someone HAS to try gaming on Toshiba's first HD DVD player
>Last format wars
Let's be honest, every single (movie) streaming service is part of the current format war, because every company in Hollywood wants 110% of everything they can get their hands on
Eh, streaming is a "format" in and of itself though.
@@drfsupercentertechnically, these were both disk.
But the streaming war is basically the same thing.
I thought that I knew most of the history of those formats... i was so wrong. I love your videos, super fun to watch, and with a unique style.
The best HD-DVD playing "console" is the Steam Deck. Just use a USB Type A->C adapter for your drive and you're done. VLC on Linux doesn't need anything else, it just works. I'd imagine it's the same on Android since that's equally Linux but am too lazy to confirm.
Android apps are pretty much Java apps running in a VM. So not sure on the "equally linux" part
I wonder why it works on Linux VLC but not the Windows version
@@plows2940No one brought Bill Gates a shrubbery
@@plows2940 windows likes to break compatability lmao
This makes me feel old. Stuff that I grew up with is now a documentary.
I was wondering when f4mi would come outta the basement again
Just felt the need to comment about how awesome your content is! It’s just so cool! Keep up the great work!!
I’d argue there are still current format wars like HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision etc
Your editing gets crazier and crazier with each new video and your style remains as captivating as ever. So glad I found your channel all those years ago! Congrats on finally getting sponsored!
Ooo, fancy subtitles!
I love this channel. I found you through your Portal video and I absolutely love your editing and your refrences to things.
I wish the HD-DVD remained longer in business.
You would have wanted more movies to be lost because of a self destructing disc format?
@@YOEL_44 Early Blu Ray suffered from the same issue though, so did a lot of early 2000's W.B regular DVD's, HD DVD just gets unfair flack for it because it wasn't around long enough to work out the kinks.
@@YOEL_44 they would have fixed it if they stayed longer in business
@@YOEL_44 It has nothing to do with HD DVD per se, but more to do with a manufacturing defect at a WB factory in Pennsylvania. The video gets this wrong. Universal titles are not impacted and WB movies made in Canada are just fine. All of my HD DVDs are pristine and unaffected.
There was literally zero benefit of HD-DVD over blu-ray. Less storage, lower bit-rates, and of course the disc rot problem.
If it's not legal to make a backup copy of a movie you bought, the laws of your country are broken.
I'm in the US and the RIAA even tried to claim it's illegal to rip CDs you own, and that the only legal way to get music on your computer was to re-buy it from digital music stores like iTunes.
What a joke. The MAFIAA needs to be broken up.
I remember I got a brand new XBox 360 HD DVD player in Box at a reputable store, with King Kong of course. For 20$. At that point, obviously, they had conceded to BluRay. But for 20$ I thought it'd atleast save wear/tear on my 360 drive. The HDDVDs were also like 4-5$ a piece. I bought a few. That was my CD/DVD/HDDVD Drive for 2-3 years. Acted fine. Even added an extra USB port on the back. I couldn't tell any difference between HDDVD & BluRay.
There was one more format war, sort of. Ultraviolet vs Movies Anywhere.
As someone still in the market for optical discs, I really wish we had the pro-consumer moves from HDDVD. Especially now that temporary digital ownership is taking over, physical media might stand a better chance if the technology to release movies, watch movies, copy them, and use discs for general data storage were open to anyone.
I still am wishing that sony took more Ls so that they remain humble and not the assholes they've become today. Their hardware was amazing sure but i want them to realise that their position atm is detrimental to consumers
I was literally searching this topic yesterday and found your video, I love when I have a channel to bingewatch on my free time, subscribed loved it
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Very well done video! When I was a kid I could never figure out why there was even a difference between something like DVD, HDDVD (lol) and Blu-ray, so this video sort of answered some unanswered question about my childhood. The editing is also very good!
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I never got a hands-on expirience with the HD DVD, but I remember the hi-fi magazines back in the day were all about this "war".
LG even had a full hybrid disc players - Super Multi Blue (BH100 and BH200 models), not only this PC drive that you showed in the video. Great content!
Format Wars still ongoing, they are happening in AI tech, Self-driving cars, Mobile OS etc...
This video alone justifies the channel deserving 10x more subscribers.
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This is what youtube was made for. That Motorola flip phone at the end was the cherry on top.
In 20 years from now F4mi needs to do a video about the JPGXL war. Google is fighting against it but I hope it loses the battle!
the funniest thing is that Google is one of the companies that invented JPEGXL and they themselves don't care about implementing it properly on Chromium
This channel has become the one I get most excited for when I see a new upload
shoutouts to youtube pushing this video to my front page
This is really dope 🤣
Nice illustration and good storytelling.
2:58 what now?
oh my god the amount of love and effort I can feel while watching this video is immense. great video
Between the DVDs and the hair colors I'm starting to think f4mi is alternate-dimension Ramona Flowers.
I love the way you say "Blu!"
I always forget you don't have 89 trillion subscribers, you seem like the most well-known video essayist on the platform alongside hbomb. All this to say im excited to watch this :3
Just discovered your channel from this video. I was hooked from the start. You earned my sub ❤
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0:56 swaggin reference
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i love every one of your dad hats.
Dang, I completely forgot that HD DVDs were a thing. Now I've learned more about them than I ever expected to. Great video!