Are Twitter Community Notes Saving The Internet?!
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the notes have called out so much BS by politicians
The best feature of community notes is that they even notify you if a post you liked now has a community note... extremely useful, because in today's world yesterday's news might as well be forgotten by 99% of people, and almost no one will read it. That notification fixes that.
Man politicians are known liars. great sources bro
Which is awesome!! Is it perfect? Far from it! Is it better then a government narrative being forced down your throat like every news channel on tv? 150% this way your allowed to make your own decision.
Also it works great on musks lies.
They are Canadian so they can’t criticize their government
Even ads can be community noted! 😊
yeah! i've seen multiple community notes on dropshipping ads
fr fr, im glad they extend to ads. imagine how many poor saps got their money drained by an AI app that's realy just forwarding chatgpt responses
does that mean they get demonetized when community noted like regular posts?
Thats the best part of it!
like this video , jk, this video does sound like a twitter ad, i mean X
I've hated Twitter for over a decade now, but this truly is the nicest feature that any platform should be implementing. RUclips is going the opposite direction removing a visible dislike count.
They remove a lot more than that. Their comment moderation algorithm is ridiculous these days, to the point I suspect it's handed to an AI.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn If you thought humans (aside from the creators themselves) have ever been moderating youtube comments you are insane. AI isn't new, especially in a space like comment moderation.
@@ShinyWasTakenTwice I didn't. I simply don't treat the concept of AI as the same thing as a dumb algorithm.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn How would you define 'AI' then?
And like everywhere else, abusive and openly false comments are seldom "against the community standards."
It's also worth noting, new Community Notes are sent as notifications to everyone who interacted with the post before the Note was published.
Oh I didn't know that detail! That is extremely important indeed! What an effective weapon against the BS!
Never knew that. That's actually a brilliant new feature.
And everyone, not just the Community Note Contributors can vote on the usefulness of a Community Note
I'd like to add a Community Note for this video.
At 3:12, you said the nitpickers were the "king-makers" but the visual scale had them higher. Scales don't work like that. If they carried more weight, it should be lower.
Source: gravity
It's a divine scale. They are closer to God and therefore they carry more weight.
Much like the scales of Anubis, the opinionated one was weighed down by the heft of their sins, hoisting the nitpickers upon their pedestal and into the afterlife.
Actually, the "nitpickers" are shown on the left with the angry face. The crown is just put on the wrong side of the scale. Good catch. Moving the crown satisfies the logic.
@@NegativeROGNo, the crown is right, you're just thinking about the wrong scale. It's a divine scale, so being higher up means they are better.
@@kintex6441 Being a "Kingmaker" by definition means you have a "weighty" opinion, or your opinions carry great weight. Therefore, the crown belongs on the angry dude on the left.
Twitters Community Notes are really cool.
And the secret comment section is at times very funny to read.
I only have like a month on community notes and I haven't found a funny"secret" comment section, it's all people trying to abuse the system, putting their political or "moral" pov or people not getting that community notes are for. What I've found good is that the system usually works and haven't seen any of those comments actually been made public in part thanks to the NNN comments
It's like Wikipedia all over again
As a community note contrbuter there are also so many notes that get added that are just not needed which generally never go public.
@@stevexracer4309 strongly desagree. Elon musk is a duchebag as noted by numerous people and elon himself.
@@stevexracer4309Missing wikipedia link
Community notes is legitimately one of the few good modern developments of the internet. So far ive yet to see an incorrect community note stay up for more than 5 minutes, and anonymity discourages clout chasers
yes
Community Notes are amazing ngl. I'm not a Twitter fan, but Community Notes should be on every social media platform
Even if community notes are not perfect and can continue to be improved upon, they are absolutely better than every censorship method all other sites use
Twitter has some pretty extreme censorship too.
Freedom of Speech is a human right. Censoring people who say harmful things is easy, but I think it's even more satisfying having these Community Notes 😈
No. Posts that threaten public health should be banned. It seems like we learned nothing from the pandemic.
@marcelorauber8397 we learned from the pandemic that the weird anti mask anti vaxer uncle was right because here we are in 2024 no mask mandates no vaccine mandates and covid is now endemic
@@marcelorauber8397 Can you give me an example of any post that threatened public health, was community noted and yet still caused a crisis or killed people?
I bet the designers of the system knew they were on to something when two members of the team who typically disagree agreed on the value of agreement between people who typically disagree.
this is very meta
Elon himself got called out by Community Notes (and it was pretty big).
Best marketing ever.
Every platform needs that function, and should have it's code open sourced often, like at X.
RUclips and Facebook also have this feature, Xitter has a good implementation, admittedly. I say this as someone who strongly dislikes the Muskrat
@@jmarquiso Facebook and youtube implementation feels like it hasn't left alpha.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Twitter only open sourced a very small mostly uninteresting part of the code a while back and hasn't updated the repository since?
@@bubbles581the community notes is open source completely.The twitter recommendations algorithm is open sourced once.
@@jmarquiso
where?
also, no. Community Noting on Socoial Media sites should not be a monetizized activity as it would lead to people creating automated tool to create fraudulent corrections
Source: Perverse incentive on Wikipedia
On a related note, Wikipedia is one gigantic perverse incentive. Just look at how they've slandered right-wing commentators like Mike Cernovich, and their editors to this day refuse all attempts to remove the slander by clinging to the most bogus excuses.
Wikipedia also has a near blanket prohibition on sourcing first-party sources, especially on historical articles, which is the most reliable source you can get, another thing the community notes does not suffer from.
@Spartan322 hold up, does that mean memoirs can not be cited? Why? Narrators unreliability?
What if it is corroborated by other evidence?
@@yourfavouritepony Correct, they don't really explain why they despise first-party sources though I'm betting part of it has to do with trying to push a narrative, any political topic on Wikipedia will prefer to a heavily left wing bias if the mods and contributors believe they can get away without it being questioned, like they try to downplay a lot of what Obama did and paint Trump in a worse light, if you want to see the bias head to Lauren Southern's page and it'll use third-party sources (mostly the mainstream media) to paint her as a far-right neo-nzi sympathizer and will not reference anything she said unless it was in a mainstream media source. (note too that some of this media sources get deleted or reference another media source that references another media source that may be deleted or has no proper sourcing done in the first place) Even one of the primary co-founders of Wikipedia has called them out as left wing propaganda and has advocated people to stop using it, (at minimum for political historical topics) most especially for this first-party opposition and political bias problem.
Also they'll use corroborated details of third-parties and even some second-party sources, but first hand evidence is generally ignored.
@@yourfavouritepony Correct, they don't really explain why they despise first-party sources though I'm betting part of it has to do with trying to push a narrative, any political topic on Wikipedia will prefer to a heavily left wing bias if the mods and contributors believe they can get away without it being questioned, like they try to downplay a lot of what Obama did and paint Trump in a worse light, if you want to see the bias head to Lauren Southern's page and it'll use third-party sources (mostly the mainstream media) to paint her as a far-right neo-n sympathizer and will not reference anything she said unless it was in a mainstream media source. (note too that some of this media sources get deleted or reference another media source that references another media source that may be deleted or has no proper sourcing done in the first place) Even one of the primary co-founders of Wikipedia has called them out as left wing propaganda and has advocated people to stop using it, (at minimum for political historical topics) most especially for this first-party opposition and political bias problem.
Also they'll use corroborated details of third-parties and even some second-party sources, but first hand evidence is generally ignored.
Yes. It is really fun to see. And the BEST part is that the click bait posts stop getting paid once they are noted. We get to see the biggest morons get publicly corrected where they can't hide until they delete the tweet
IMO just like with the notes triggering demonetisation, getting noted should remove the user's ability to delete a tweet. Say something so stupid it gets a note - great that's gonna be visible on your timeline to everyone for ever. The only thing most accounts have on twitter are the strengths of their argument, and their reputation from previous posts. Deleting noted tweets unfairly protects the latter...
If RUclips could have this, we might be saved.
Right!!!
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@@valiantviktor based 😤
Timed comments are good enough
@@everypizza How so? Id much rather community notes come in for drama stuff especially, do you know how easy it is to lie about those things?
What we need is some form of public comments that is independent from websites, so we can comment on articles or videos in a way that the website won't be able to interfere.
There are already some examples, such as ReturnRUclipsDislike, which keep a separate, community-controlled database database for likes/dislikes in RUclips.
As for others, I don't know if there is anything like that.
It used to be a google extension called "Dissenter" but google nuked it from the platform so people had to manually install it
Gab had that, starting 2014ish. But was never widely adopted, and with phone use being so prevalent, a browser addon just isn’t enough
These do/have existed. There was one that gained a bit of traction even (don't remember the name of it), but google and friends nuked it from their stores and it more or less died.
Gotta love that I replied with some examples and alternatives - but my reply doesn't appear... ironic.
I love the feature. However the biggest problem with community notes is that it just takes too long before a note is actually accepted. The damage is already done. Espacially in new media, where most people won't go back to old posts, but only view the newest or most populair ones.
people get community notes mailed if they interacted with the post
(formerly) Twitter sends people notifications if they interacted with a post that gets noted - like, retweet, reply, quote tweet, etc... Those who interact with tweets receive notes for them too.
Actually a good point. This would make the system completely useless. But we all know that companies dont implement these measures to be effective, but to cover their butt. Gotta say, i really dont understand how so many people here are so happy to be patronised.
I liked a post on X and then got a notice later when a community note was applied to it. And it was helpful, I had initially gotten fooled by the rage machine.
Lol, what was it about?
I do gotta admit, the Community Notes thing is a very good feature, despite how much of a crapchute Twitter, a.k.a. X, is.
crap shoot is a reference to the gambling game
not guns and feces
@@kazzxtrismus OK?
This approach sounds way better than the heavy-handed censorship by the corporation itself that seems to be the standard. Which is precisely why the people who clamor for more internet curtails won't like it - they WANT the internet to be heavily moderated, even censored.
@@kazzxtrismus they got crap shoot mixed up with poop chute
No social media site I have ever made a report on has every done anything about it, including RUclips.
It's unfortunate that community notes being pretty cool is marred by how absolutely abhorrent the userbase on twitter has become.
I like this, but I think that when you see a post without a community note, and a note gets added later, you should see that post in your feed again, so that you get to see that this polititian or whoever else is talking BS
You get a notification if a post had a community note added after you liked it.
wish facebook had this. i reported a well known scam ad, got an automated reply that facebook will take no action. scam was even warned about in national news.
This is actually way more interesting than I thought it would be. Thanks for sharing.
community notes has consistently been an A tier feature, actually good job twitter
That goes on the list of things id rather cut out my tongue than to actually say.
I always think it's hilarious when I watch people who make fun of flat earthers and there's a Wikipedia article about the flat earth society and why they're wrong.
This is actually designed way smarter than I imagined, which probably explains the mostly good results. Thanks for the in-depth explanation!
Easily the most important tech quickie I’ve ever seen. Thanks for breaking down the pros and cons of community notes and getting us to imagine how to optimize content moderation.
I've seen notes that are just plain wrong too, so you shouldn't always trust the notes either.
They usually get revised in such a case
@@theredscourgeNot when it comes to political topics.
@@Alexei_Drekker Absolutely it does. Community Notes only get posted if they have a general consensus from people on both sides of the political spectrum as to what the facts are.
@@theredscourge No. It depends on the people voting. Consensus is not a valid indicator of facts. If the people voting and creating these notes were verified experts, then yes. They are not.
@@Alexei_Drekker Consensus among hundreds of people on both sides of the political spectrum may not be a guarantor of truth, but it is certainly the best indicator we have of it which stands a chance of fighting the spread of gossip and lies on social media. Being an expert by no means guarantees truth, just look at how often our own government officials lie to us about nearly everything on a daily basis.
Betteridge's law.
To elaborate:
- It's a way for platform operators to delegate issues they should be concerned about, and wash their hands of the results
- It can take a while for a note to appear, on a site where posts can live and die at lightening speed. People who like a post that gets a note are notified, but people who scroll past without liking won't see it again to know what they saw earlier got corrected.
- There is very little vetting of who can submit notes
- It allows posts of concern to continue circulating, and in the case of conspiracy content and certain types of misinformation the presence of a note makes it *more* credible to the people it's targeting that they're "on to something" or "being targeted"
- While it's resistant to dogpiling, it's very much still possible. Usually in the form of the winning version of a note being factually correct but carrying an accusatory or sympathetic slant in how it's written.
- Posts about parasocial celebrities or certain current issues sometimes get unnecessary and pedantic notes (ones that add very little and don't affect the conclusion/message), which feels like a retaliatory attempt to undercut their credibility by being able to say "Well, that got a community note".
- Some posts by a certain parasocial celebrity seem to deserve a note yet fail to receive one, leading to suspicion there's a finger on the scale somewhere
- It's applied on an individual basis and only when posts get a lot of views, so a bunch of bot accounts copy-pasting the same misinformation to a trending hashtag won't get noted
- It's not uncommon for people recirculate screenshots of tweets rather than quote them, which breaks the link back to the community noted version.
While it is generally positive and is better than nothing, it's a partial fix to moderation issues of Twitter's own making. Twitter is not saving the internet.
This is literally better than what "Fact checkers" claim to do. It's not perfect but much better then propagandists claiming to be the arbiters of the truth
This is the sort of "fact checking" that will crap on any person that is interested in the truth. Opinions that are diverse will suffer from this since they cover the most subjects and people, those of which will make sure to take everything out of context and report them. but who am i telling this. this isnt the science journal.
Measures like these just end up beeing "watch out this person has a different view than most", and twitter doesnt care, they just want to cover their butts in case this goes awry and a world war III starts because of a post.
Love that feature. Makes corpo journalists look like clowns
I'm not sure I would trust the community notes feature except when it shows up on "advertisements" because I've seen QUITE A FEW community notes debunking some crappy ad, claiming "drop shipper, stolen design, etc"
I'm yet to write a community note, but about once a week I'll see look over and review community notes.
Like everyone, I have my biases, but I try be self-reflective and cognizant of them and approach most things in life from an objective and rational angle. I also try to interpret the post in question in the most favourable light ( well-intentioned ).
I'll read the community note, check its sources, then pass judgment as fairly as possible.
I've contributed to notes on stuff I both agree and disagree with purely because the facts weren't presented as they should have been.
Probably one of the best improvements on any platform in the last decade.
Mark Ruffalo once shared an AI generated picture on twitter, and when he was called out in the community notes, he blamed the platform itself for allowing to post AI generative image.
I have studied Digital Image Analysis, there's no way a code can differentiate between an AI generated image and a real one because computers don't have eyes, they recognise pictures mostly by neural networks, and neural networks treat both kind of images similarly because they break those images into numbers. There's an excellent video by 3Blue1Brown on this same topic.
Facebook definitely needs a feature like this.
I think the way Bluesky is setting up stuff feels more interesting. Right now it lets you choose your own algorithms for content search, choose moderators or mute lists, etc., and in a potential future it could set up content checking, so instead of having stuff like Twitter's community notes, Bluesky/ATProto might make its feature work in a similar fashion, where you subscribe to a verification source (or many) that sets up their own notes, and check up those as they come.
Definitely they work in that way, where rather than the user having to select a prepackage (like Twitter but also Mastodon with their server-focused implementation), they let users choose services that work on top of each other so you can mix and mash whatever you prefer.
The only issue is that some RUclipsrs have managed to get community notes on their incorrect statements removed, as they often have viewers from across political spectrums.
Practically essential now that there are no non-partisan fact checking websites left
The fact checkers were never non-partisan; that was a massive lie hence the community notes is such a realistic and clever and effective technical solution
@@legion1791 Reality has a liberal bias.
@@tim3172 "that wasn't real communism, it'll work this time for real guys trust me" ass
@@wesleyfilips7052 actually yeah. All communism builders were literally fascists that exploited masses to reach own political goals
Damn, "Birdwatch" would've been a really cool name if it was still "Twitter"
Now you know why he changed it
"You most likely know it as Community Notes, but it'll always be Birdwatch to me."
That feature should really be added to all platforms imo, youtube had something similar where there would be a note added to videos about if the earth is flat, and global warming and whatnot
One major issue about community notes as a fact checking feature is that it requires people to look up the source. Often time some of these viral tweets are spread through screenshots of the post rather than a link to it which sometimes causes fake posts to go viral cause no one checks if it was actually real.
The way Twitter does it is they don't post a note until folks who are both left and right of center come to a consensus on the basic facts
@@theredscourge How can the right come to a consensus on basic facts when they don't believe in them?
@@tim3172 Oh, like what the definition of a woman is? Cuz there's no disagreement on the right about that.
Elon didn't come up with it, but it definitely kicked up awhile after he bought the site. Though I question his involvement, as it's gone directly against him several times lol
Community notes were already a thing a little before then, so I doubt he had anything to do with them in the slightest
It's an undeniably good thing, and he encouraged it to be fast-tracked. That and no longer banning people for the mere act of having conservative views was a massive win for free speech and the quality of honest political discourse between those who want to engage in it.
@@theredscourge "massive win for free speech" you say, meanwhile people are now getting banned for the mere act of having left-leaning views.
political discourse ain't any more honest now than today, the tables just turned and you think that's good because it's not your side getting banned anymore.
@@theredscourge Surely you're not talking about Elon banning anyone who disagrees with him and artificially inflating the visibility of braindead, right-leaning media as "freedum ov speach", are you?
This feature is really bringing the truth back to the front row
Community notes meant politicians of both sides of the isle could get fact-checked, and corporations, too. Every site needs this feature.
Community notes is the single greatest thing that ever happened on any social media. I hope that in ~7 years we get an open source federated community notes system that any sites can opt in (similar to disqus's comment section being integrated into a bunch of sites) and people can fact check across the internet.
That's actually super smart...
Much better than yt's context notes, literally full of misinformation on this platform.
So true
the officeman with a crown asset lmao
"You most likely know it as Community Notes, but it'll always be Birdwatch to me."
I should've known that the one (mostly) good thing about Xitter after Elmo took over had been in the works for a long time already.
😂😂 Elmo. I don’t like him because he doesn’t align with me politically, so that is super brilliant to me. ELMO 😂 Genius.
I like Muskrat, Elmo is also funny.
cry twittergate cry
pre-musk half of their staff were eff bee eye
every social media website should have Community Notes, here's hoping it can stay actually decentralized.
man, i miss Snopes when they actually were a Fact-checking Hub
They never were. Snopes has always been a propaganda arm of the cabal.
Snopes still is. Someone has simply convinced you that they aren't.
It never was
@@tim3172 no Snopes is paid nowadays by certain groups to push agenden. Cant say much or YT deletes. They are just not independend
@@tim3172🧠➡️🗑
I wanted to say I want this feature in Facebook but then I remembered that I want Meta to removed from this damn planet 🤬
Where on earth did you get the stock b-roll footage?? The birds one is amazing!!!
Often the "established authority" is the problem. They do often just check that it agreed with their political bias.
And that is precisely why Elon bought Twitter, and why despite it still being a toxic shitshow, I have to give him tons of credit for that. Conservatives were being silenced because some LGBT person in San Francisco decided their fringe views were truth, and decided to start silencing mainstream views, which is absolutely insane, no matter which side of the political spectrum if would affect.
UNTIL you realize those Community Notes are no different than WikiPedia because ANYONE can become a "Community notes" poster.
I've LITERALLY watched a Community Notes post get live edited, then RE-edited with different supporting claims, ONLY to be RE-EDITED again by yet another Community Notes poster within minutes.
Community Notes is just another version of the BlueCheck. It's not a VALID fact checking organization. It's just Wikipedia for tweets. And Wikipedia is not even allowed as a reference material for most LEGITIMATE academic institutions. So take Community notes with a HUGE Tonne of salt!
Wikipedia have expert moderators, too and Xitter has more distrust to the brand
to be honest, they are right more about politics than most "fact checkers" created by extremely biased companies.
most "fact checkers" are created by bias companies. X community notes is not.
They're WAY different, Wikipedia is a shitshow, all their mods are lefties who slander right-wing political pundits and then protect that slander, whereas Twitter CN has people on both sides.
@cadburybunny While Wikipedia as a primary source isn't accepted by academic institutions, you can at least find the actual sources used to write that article in the first place. Those sources are generally accepted given that Wikipedia has very good moderation. The same can be said for community notes when they are paired with trusted sources.
I just hope they make sure that there is enough correcters from all sides of political spectrum and that when there is not enough people of one side, the system will give more vote weight to the smaller side.
It’s fascinating to see how social media platforms are evolving and striving to combat misinformation with features like community notes while preserving freedom of speech. However, the effectiveness still seems to depend on user understanding and trust in the system. It's a fine balance to achieve.
Thank you for calling it Twitter
Who's gonna fact check the fact checkers?
"What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context." -The AI from Metal Gear Solid 2
Remember: If you're doing the thing from a dystopic satire, you're probably not the "good guy."
Without minor controversies and clarity behind the feature, people wouldnt volunteer to work on it. There is prestige to be had, a sort of powerplay in ambiguity doing this type of "akshully" work. Just like Wikipeda was once seen as a credible source, hence attracting editors.
Traditional fact checkers have been notoriously bias all in a single direction so at this point anything is better than the echo chamber that was created before.
Bias is not an adjective.
It's a noun (show bias)
It's a verb (bias the crowd)
It is not an adjective. You can have bias. You can show bias. But you can't be bias.
The fact that you're crying about fact checkers being based in reality is just icing on the cake for this hilarious comment.
Just check who funds them.
Community notes should be standard on every social media site.
It's a type of Peer Review mechanism, which is a good thing, especially in the long run. Scientific papers can be released before and after peer reviews, and can be countered by subsequent peer reviewed papers. It's a relatively slow process to fact check research results but over time the body of factual knowledge grows. So at some point a new tweet related to one or more categories (a tweet involving politics and law for instance) can be tested against the large body of verified factual tweets in those categories.
I only saw that Note Feature here on RUclips when it came to Covid. Never saw it again after 😂
If you watched a lot of conservative commentators, during the pandemic you would have seen there was a note on basically everything they posted, whether they said a word or two that was related to climate change, the pandemic, health in general, past elections, etc. You name it, they were flagging videos to try to spread their official narrative (and of course half the time it just lazily links to Wikipedia and is only loosely related to the video it's linked to)
It pops up on political stuff, as well as science stuff. Mainly making sure no one believes anything that is at all right of center, or conspiracy theories like “Covid was released from a lab” or “The earth won’t be a boiling ball of lava in 5 years if we don’t ban all gas cars” or “Biden took payouts from multiple foreign nations” or anything like that that is somehow controversial
@@ryanhamstra49 "at all right of center" aka lies.
What is the proof that it was released from a lab?
Literally zero people claimed it would be a "boiling ball of lava".
Repukes spent MONTHS and MILLIONS in taxpayer dollars to IMPOTENTLY admit they have ZERO PROOF WHATSOEVER of *ANY* wrongdoing by Biden.
Did you see the weak and pathetic James Comer admit that the impeachment inquiry ended with a big, fat, goose egg?
It's not "controversial", it's delusional.
It's almost like you have truth on the left, lies on the right, and you're complaining that things past the lie point get censored or marked as not factual.
Duh?
@@ryanhamstra49you seem really opinionated lmao, chill
It is, no moderation and censorships is unironically the most vital and bare mimimum defining feature of any social network and messaging platform unironically.
It's not.
No moderation and no censorship would mean that for example CP would thrive on that platform. And I think anyone can agree that that is not a desirable outcome.
@@Jehty21in fact that has happened before, elon and whatever few people still work for him don't care
@@Jj82op is that so? Or is that one of the things where the community notes would say: "Didn't happen. Jj82op is talking BS"?
@@Jehty21 Maybe not "thrive", but there's also been a lot more bigotry, right wing propaganda, nazi stuff. His claims of "free speech" is what allows for hate speech and he doesn't care as long as it's not illegal and because the community notes "help"
@@Jj82op yes, and that's because of lack of moderation and censorship. Exactly what I said...
I’d love to hear any ideas on how to implement this on mastodon or the fediverse at large
They'd never do that, as those places are circlejerks who have no interest in truth as that's non-partisan
Ironically Elon's own Tweets need these Birdwatch notes
the community notes might make x the best social media, is incredible the amount of misinformation that it is everywhere in all the social media platforms, at least in x they eventually get clarified by the community notes
So true especially these agencies supposed to be non-parisan and fact checker is full of lunatic extremist people hence they manipulate the opinion like crazy
I would be more concerned about the misinformation knowingly and willingly spread by the "major, authoritative news outlets" than regular ol' folks like us who are just trying to figure things out.
I don't trust anyone who calls twitter x
@@rayw8252 problem is govs use PR firms to push narratives. After 9/11 was the start of a industry around that
weird, musk seems to have turned twitter into unmoderated chan with him as lead snipper of things not liked
Yes, because proper moderation is doing what only the democrat party of the USA wants, damn everyone else the world over. Right?
weird, that you'd rather the corrupt twittergate
@@anonymous134y They liked Twitter before Elon when any kind of wrong-think led to instabans.
@@brucemckinlay9739 It's funny because under Elon, bans on the left were some 6x higher than it was pre-Twitter destruction.
Who, exactly is being banned for "wrong-think"?
If there's one thing we should take away from the success of Wikipedia, it's that empowering nitpickers to create a system of rules for how to present information in an accurate, relatively non-biased manner is actually a _really_ good idea! The power of "Um, Actually" combined with limited reverts and a space to talk through the final solution, with even bigger rules lawyers to fall back to if that fails, is a self-reinforcing system that makes sure everything (that's reasonably visible) conforms to that high rules standard
Community note should be standard on social media
george clone-y?
Main issue: It only works if the average person is intellegent enough to know what's fact and what isn't. Considering IQ has been going down over the last couple of decades I wouldn't put much faith in this system. lol
community note:
IQ is not an accurate measurement of an individual's intelligence [1]. taken alone it is not a useful statistic. Only professionals with the ability to combine an IQ test with other tests have the ability to *qualify* one's intelligence and characterise it. Someone with a very high IQ may also have deficiencies in other forms of intelligence not measured by IQ and still not "know what's fact and what isn't".
[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Validity_as_a_measure_of_intelligence
Regarding the question of IQ evolution in time (it is rather going up than down, except in some specific cases, and even then there doesn't seem to be conclusive evidence for why)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Flynn_effect
@@soleenzo893 lol, Thanks for sharing.
@@ClellBiggs lol sorry i just had to . but your main point still stands. the people too dumb to accept that a proven fact is a fact will of course ignore community notes 🤷♂️
I mean... "intellegent"..
Is there anything else to say?
@@tim3172 it's what you call a typo lol
its not perfect but the best idea i have heard so far. It allows people to speak freely and combat misinformation. the idea of links to sources sounds like a good idea. I hope it works because i cannot think of anything better.
govs want their own "fact" checker. Like in the EU with their digital service act. The company who is in charge of "fact" checking is everything but independend. Created just some years ago financed with Soros money now is in charge for the truth in the EU
Another thing about Community Notes is that they _could_ be useful for guiding the actual moderation team without the use of a dedicated report button. The mods can't be everywhere at once, but the _users_ can.
Pretty sure the Community Notes feature was being created well before Elon become the owner of Twitter. It even came out just after he took over, which is impossible for him to even force as a top priority project.
um what is your source, sweaty?
Nah early twitter 2.0 had features added next day. When you have a team of people who know how to work on an app something like community notes is something that could be thrown together quite fast. Probably not in the best implementation but really new features are only slow because companies do review after review and it takes a long time for something to be approved
@@ArielNMzit's literally stated in this video
twittergate happened under the old version due to being paid out
@@anonymous134y You realize that "Twittergate" was a big nothingburger, right?
Can you name a *single* thing that happened from the release of the "Twitter Files"?
didn't channels like these freak out when community notes came about because "they were alt-right"
Community Notes seem to work very well. Great feature.
Shiet, boi, that was pretty cool! I wish you explained these kind of unusual things more often than just "How much internet is too much?"
Is Twitter death, its way to save the internet? 🐱
Note to self:
The best way to get rich is to get other people to create you content and others to fact tjek that content, and the stand back and denied any responsibility.
What a bizarre note to write to yourself.
That's just capitalism.
Under capitalism it's always been that way: Let other people do the work to make yourself rich.
@@Jehty21yep. Capitalism like anything has flaws. Like communism, nobody gets rich but the dictator lol it's a give and take.
says the guy, using a phone that's on the internet, made by you know capitalism@@Jehty21
If it's so easy, show us how it's done.
Community notes authors should earn "reputation points" but those points should not be included in note "ranking system", they just should be a shortcut to assess the quality of the post.
There was an episode about this on The Orville. Including the masses thumbing up or down on whether or not people should be punished.
It still baffles me how people still put Elon in a pedestal and claim he is some tech genius, this is the only not bad change that has been implemented. But as said in the video, it can be manipulated or suddenly disappear.
And wasn't even his idea to begin with
That’s correct, he has not made any impressive accomplishments or contributions to society. I agree with you because, like you, he doesn’t line up with my political ideologies. No pedestal is needed. Anyone can do it. All credibility should be thrown out the window.
Birdwatch predated Musk
@@samharris4793 lol
🤡🤡🤡🤡
Notes have gotten it wrong on many occasions and staff at twitter/Elon have known to pull the notes if they dont agree with them so its just another day on the internet mate.
It's a private company so they have the freedom to operate as they wish, within legal boundaries.
At least that was the general consensus from 2016 to 2020.. 😀😀
@@TanksInSpace_ And they're also not free from criticism.
Repukes were trying to force sites to carry hate speech, a blatant violation of their freedom of speech, expression, and association.
Normal people are criticizing Elon for pulling down notes and modifying them to suit their needs. If normal people were trying to make Elmo host their speech via illogical laws, then you might (barely) have a valid response. Of course, much like everything the right spews, it's not true.
Oops.
The ammount of times these were under Elons tweets were not few, making him look more like an idiot at times. Until he decided to block X from doing it on his tweets only. Still works on Politicians, so far.
the biggest issue with community notes is that elon musk removes them from his own posts, when they are often the posts that need it the most
I love the washing done saying community notes is saving the internet when we wouldnt need them if dude didnt ruin verification and boost the worst forms of information spreading
"One of the advantages of traditional fact checking is that it is coming from an established authority with a known identity."
*Proceeds to show a screenshot of Snopes*
Whew man: and I thought some of Riley's jokes were stinkers.
I trust the community notes more than modern “journalists”.
Note that sometimes community notes are exploited by hostile state actors, such as Chinese trolls.
And American conservatives
The problem is that these notes can be revoked at any time if the man-child ceo doesn't like it.
But they never are. Man children in twitter make up stuff about him deleting post.
No, they can't be revoked
@@miguellopez3392 Elon could delete the entire feature of notes if he so chose. It's not just about individual notes or posts
@@oscarblade90 but he doesn't even though it humiliated him multiple times, I trust that more than the average twitter user who makes stuff up to hate on him.
@@miguellopez3392 Strange, there are hundreds of posts that prove CNs were added to both posts Elon made and that he amplified (retweeted or whatever nonsense X calls it... re-Xcreted) being removed.
It's almost like... you're lying.
Elon killed Twitter...
How?
@@sethmorgan0305 because it's not corrupted by alt-leftists anymore prob lol
@@sethmorgan0305 it liked when it was corrupt
How?
@@sethmorgan0305 He obliterated its popularity, its revenue, its advertising pool, its profitability, and its general perception by the vast majority of people on earth.
How else, exactly, would you kill a website?
Twitters community notes a fantastic, they constantly dunk on the lies of politicians and wack conspirasists
I feel like tumblr would've severely abused community enforced nudity reporting if it had been present when the rule just came out
Where are the anti-misinformation stickies under twitter's CEO's posts?
.... go and write one when it's needed ?
3:28 Yes , go watch the rest of the video.
Did you even watch the video? Lol they literally said that he gets then on his posts all the time
you preferred twitter when it was corrupt.
@@shunpo2433 And he quickly removes them...
No matter how much you hate musk you gotta admit the community notes feature is genius.
It's not an invention of his version of Twitter. It debuted in 2021 under the name BirdWatch
Didn't he say that the feature was there before Musk bought it, and Musk just renamed it (I guess renaming is one thing he is good at)?
@@josephboehmer1245 .. So ?
@@hubertnnn Twitter is a way better name than X
@@hubertnnnWell, nobody says he coded it himself. He just decided that it‘s a really good feature and implemented it in a way that it‘s always available and visible. Gotta give him credit for that.
I used twitter for years before he took over and never saw it.
3:18 KITTY!
This video warrants a community note.
Quoting wikipedia as "reliable" source...
more reliable than mainstream news