Can a $60 scope do what a $1600 scope does for automotive diagnostics?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- The video compares the $60 Hantek 6022BE scope, the $140 Pico 2204a, $500 Autel MaxiScope, and the $1600 Pico 4425. In the video I demonstrate common automotive measurements, such as cam/crank, can bus, battery voltage/amperage, ignition primary/secondary, relative compression, engine compression, intake pulses, transmission line pressure. I go through each test with each scope. This is a condensed version of the live presentation I did that failed miserably with my guest hosts mic echo. I re-recorded it and edited it down to 53 minutes (as opposed to over 3 hours!). This video answers the question of "how much scope do you need for automotive" and "can I get by with a cheap PC based scope."
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Its not the price of the tool, its the knowledge to use and understand it.
Thank you for taking the time to compare these.
Thanks for taking the time to compare these.
Thanks for taking the time to do another video. Really enjoyed it
Someone who knows what they are doing! What a pleasure to see.
Wow! This is one of those videos that you have to watch over and over. Not only about the scanners but so much more useful information for a guy who things he is being left behind with all this electronic stuff. Thank you so much for taking time to make this video.
Greatest scope comparation video on YT. Many thanks for that Sir!
whyyyyy such a brilliant video has not yet hit 1M views??? Author - Well done!!! Thanks a lot
Much appreciated that you have laid it out on the line for the layman. My eye is keen for the 2 ch, Pico
but the Autel is a good value esp. for many of the foreign makes. Also thank you for sourcing the
transducers used in the video. You Rock ! Cheers.
An incredibly informative video! Some scope videos can be hard to follow but this was well explained and very clear. Well done!
Awesome video,,, thanks for taking the time to give each scope its chance to see real word performance.
Great review. Thanks for taking the time.
Because of my profession, I have several really good lab scopes but definitely see an advantage of having one of these USB scopes for mobility.
You made it quite clear one does not need the resolution of a lab scope. I've used mine for automotive work but it makes for quite a hassle. They run off 120VAC so are also not readily mobile.
Seeing you put them through their paces, side by side, I may go for the Autel.
Thanks again for your clear and concise review.
Excellent video sir! I subscribed once I had the chance to watch a bit of it, and then realized we were in the same group during the diagnostic challenge at Vision this year. That was an awesome event! Look forward to watching more of your videos, keep up the great work!
Ha! What a small world. Thanks for the compliments on the video. Yeah, I was impressed with Vision. I didn't have high expectations with the virtual format, but they did great. That diagnostic challenge was pretty cool too. As you might notice, I do a lot of transmission videos, but I do dabble in engine performance diagnostics as well.
OMG You are amazing I have been looking for a comparison video for automotive scopes for years and
you beat them all I know this must have taken sooooo much time to put together and I really appreciate
what you have done
Thank You
Thank you very much for your effort and effort in testing the different oscilloscopes. It helped me alot! Thanks!
Fantastic tutorial, the best I have seen, and believe me I have been watching many videos on this topic.
As an newbie DYI getting into car diagnostics, I think I will go for the Pico 2204a
Impressive technology, software and hardware. Thanks for sharing this demo.
Thank you for the great primer on automotive scoping! Just like other commenters, I think I might need to watch it a few times to pick on various bits and pieces of wisdom. I think it would be also useful if you could possibly make another video on various probes and cables used in this demo (or maybe post them as a list on this video's description), as well as on how you've hooked all of them up to the car.
This is one of the best vids on the subject thanks!
Thanks!
Great presentation. I learned alot being just a beginner. Thank you for taking the time.
Excellent video. Thanks for posting this. Also great looking shop, clean and clutter free!
Thank you!
Thanks for helping me decide which scope, others were pointing me in the direction, your vid convinced me. Now waiting for my new pico 2204A. My main requirement will be to test my Diesel injectors. Bought purely for personal use.
Good video nice to see what these good wave forms sopose to look like very helpful. Thanks
Good stuff my friend. Much needed information
Thank you very much for excellent explanations of the different systems
Wonderful explanation. Very detailed analysis. Thanks.
Amazing explained about different scopes...thanks!!!!
This helps out quite a bit. I've been learning how to use some lab scopes at work and this clears up a lot of what it takes to use them for automotive. It's also good to know that the Autel scope is a good value for the money. I helped a friend of mine compare scanners for a few days and a MS906 Pro-TS would cost you about the same as a MS906-Pro and their 4 channel scope. I know where I'd spend my money- that's a lot of bang for your buck. I wouldn't be making enough money off of TPMS crap when Discount is right down the road anyway.
Excellent Video! Very informative.
Awesome...finally i was able to decide which scope to get...thanks alot
I really appreciate your work. I am planning to purchase my first scope and this video a huge help to make choice.
Glad I could help!
What is your final decision?
Great video. I'm planning on picking up the 2205A with some Hantek leads for advanced DIY automotive. Also, that relative compression test using AC voltage and DSP is very clever.
Great info, thanks! Just bought a 2205a and I'm still learning how to operate it to use for my auto hobby 'necessity'... Lots of good tips here to help me tie things together. Thanks again for making this available! 👍
3 months later, do you feel good about the purchase? Any tips? I am thinking about grabbing one myself.
@@ChevyConQueso I still like it and use it. 25 MHz is overkill for anything auto related as far as I know. But I tend to wander into other types of electronics too.. I use attenuators so I don't worry much about over voltage. I think if I had it to do over, I'd probably go with the same one only with 2405a with its 4 channels for the extra 2 channels. Sometimes I just want to look at more than 2... Speaking of 4 channels, I did pick up a micsig ato1104 just for the 4 channels and the automotive presets (these are easy to copy or build your own presets and save them in Pico 6 or 7. I still like the layout, ease of use and functionality of the Picoscope 2205a! Someday, when I'm rich and famous, I'll buy a picoscope automotive 4 or 8 channel.
@@KingLoopie1 Thanks for the reply. There's a ton to think about buying these, and I too mess with a lot of other stuff that isn't automotive, at my job, as well as home. I got more projects than I'd like to admit... I will consider spending more, because the 4 channels does seem like a huge step up. I've been watching videos and guys have been catching all sorts of issues just by watching more stuff than what they suspect is wrong.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge this is a really good video
Thank you for the video. Really nice comparison.
Thanks for sharing this much knowledge 💯
Well how in the world did I not know my alma mater has a youtube channel. Great comparison of the 3 scopes Mr. Boyle. Currently I have a uScope and a Bosch MTS5200 but have been curious about the hantek. Need to tour the new campus looks really nice. Although the new students miss out on using a squeegee to keep the water out of the L2 shop everytime it rained.
He reminds me of Roy Batty ;-) Outstanding video, however. I just bought a 4225A and am starting to explore automotive diagnostics using a scope. Thanks again for the excellent vid!!!!!
Very helpful video just in time
After getting confused thanks man!
Thank you for investing the time. I own all of these scopes. The final one is on the way (4425a) from NY. Being a Professional, I am embarrassed that I didn't buy the Automotive Pico from the start. The ability to share Known Good Cam/Crank waveforms was the last straw. I would go to IATN and see the files saved in pico 6/7 and could not view them. That being said, having the same platform as others is essential. All of the places I have worked want things diagnosed properly, but don't want to invest in the equipment/training/time needed. This pico will be my personal, and I may have to charge my boss everytime we use it. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
I'm sure you are going to love the 4425a. It's a powerful scope. But, in case you weren't aware, you can download the Pico software for free at picoauto.com. Then you could have opened up the Pico files from the IATN. The normal Pico 6 would also work to open the automotive files. Either way, I'm sure you won't regret that new Pico purchase!
Awesome overview, appreciate the time you put into it
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Hello my friend so good that you can share thanks for all . keep up the great work
Very well done! No fluff just great info
Thanks, excellent video.
Wow you’re a really smart guy. I got a lot to learn.
Great video, show others that you really don't need "Automotive oscilloscope" to do a readout. Explaining data / sampling / memory etc. is important. Price too😁
Greet video it was nice to see this. I have the maxiscope, Zeus , uScope & pico 4425 the one thing about these vs the pico 2204 non auto & the hantek is not able to see glitches and drop outs due to lack of buffer. I’m my opinion the Autel & 4425 or (2ch) are no 🧠 brainers. You can get the Autel now for $350-375 smackers and have a robust scope. I would also recommend upgrading the leads to pico when it’s affordable for anyone reading this. The quality of hantek leads are low. Great job and thanks for sharing.
How do you feel about the uscope? I considered getting it as my first my scope
@@picklepee2771 uScope is excellent it’s small and powerful only downside is that it’s a single channel. I would get the Autel mp408 if I were you for a few hundred connect it to your laptop and off you go
As always Great Video.
Hi, how are you? Greetings from Mexico. Congratulations on your channel. I greatly appreciate the effort, time, dedication and knowledge that you share with us. Although in many countries where we speak Spanish, we do not understand English very much. We make a great effort to understand and translate the English language into Spanish. Since all automotive information comes from or is in English. And there is very little information in Spanish. Although Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world. I HOPE FOR THE FUTURE YOUR VIDEOS YOU MAKE THEM WITH A SUBTITLE. MANY CONGRATULATIONS AND THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
I'll try to figure out how to do that. Good idea!
Siu , you've probably already received your answer since this was around August or September 2020 :
My 1st investigations would have been Jorge and Carlos Menchu outta Fresno,CA. ( www.aeswave.com ) and IATN.
Vietnam Era Veteran
Southern California ( 90802 )
Automotive Professional background
JUST SOOO AWSOME!!!! THANK YOU
My first time diagnosing a misfire with a scope was with a 6022be and an Amazon transducer setup I made. Was able to call it and had a burned valve, Chevy Cruze (year, I forgot). Worked, but have upgraded since then.
i immediately subscribed after seeing this video it helped me a lot I like your channell thank you!
great video well done
Very interesting. Many thanks.
Great Video. Thank you
Great video!! Thank you!!
Wow just what I was looking for thank you 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hantek 6074BE has an option for 20:1 now. Along with other probe options. Takes a while to get to grips with this scope. The function wave generator is limited to 1KHz. Though there is an 8 channel option to buy a better scope with an arbitrary wave form generator too.
Obrigado amigo por você está compartilhando o seu conhecimento comigo!
I just got a hantek scope to learn with thanks for the share
How's that going for you
great job baddy
A channel called the GADGETS playlist, formerly The Logical Canuck has done some really neat stuff with the Hantek. He also shows a way to modify the pressure transducers to show vacuum. I just subscribed to your channel. Very informative. Thank u!!
Thanks! I'll check that out!
Very informative video, Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Would you be able to post a link to the pressure transducer used?
Very informative video. I am looking at purchasing the Hantek 1008C as I just work on my own vehicles and find it hard to justify the more expensive scopes. Wish it was used in your comparison as it seems more capable then the 6022BE for around $100. Thank you for your time and knowledge.
Sorry, I didn't have that scope to compare. There are a bunch of RUclips videos on it as you probably know. The big issue I had with the Hantek scope was the software. Maybe the software for the 1008c is better. Maybe download the software first then see how well it works for you.
hi derrick I'm brand new to scopes and also do diy automotive.do you recommend i should get the hantek 1008c or somthing else? before this video i was considering the hantek handheld 2c42 scope for around $120.which would you suggest?
I was looking to buy my first scope, and was trying to figure which of those 3 brands would be better.
As I live in Mexico and earn in Mexican pesos (1 USD = 20 MXN) the hantek did look like the cheapest option.
Then it was the autel, and having an autel scanner but not a laptop, the maxiscope was the most logic option.
But at the end of the day, we need tools that are accurate above else and it seems that every technician in the USA use the pico, I was afraid of having to spend that much money to have a reliable scope.
But now, thanks to you sir, I'm convinced on getting the maxiscope, as it seems like it will perform more than adequate without the hefty price of the pico.
Thank you again for taking the time and the trouble to make this video
No problem! I hope you enjoy your scope! Thanks for watching.
Thanks. A little practical scope. Great at twice the price.
8:25 the reason why the yellow line is stuck at 5v is because the hantek can measure a max voltage of 5 volts, to make it able to measure up to 50 volts you have to change the switch on the probe to X10 and also change the program settings X1 to X10
I'm been looking for a reasonable priced scope to use at home on cars and this video was just what I was looking for , showing how to use the software etc.
Still haven't decided between the maxi scope and the Pico the maxi scope is nearly four times the amount of the Pico the cheaper Pico that is in the UK, but is it four times the scope .any advice welcome I'm thinking the maxi scope with the channels and the 12 bit better graphics .
I have a 2005 4 runner 4wd with the 5 speed auto 6 cly eng.
I had dirty smelly fluid and flushed it, rusty lines and changed them with same sized rubber lines for transmission use, and added an oil cooler bypassing the rad in case it breaks.
My reverse does not work, It will rev and seem to move a little but not enough power to move it.
it will work in 4 low it will reverse more but not as much as normal.
Goes forward fine in all gears, but in reverse in 2wd will hardly move at all, there are some noises at times.
Any tips thoughts appreciated. thanks
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spark line on the 8b scope was kinda sketchy.. but the basics looked pretty good.. I grew up on Sun scopes since the 70s in my shop and so patterns are ingrained :) I miss having my suns.. I had the small portable (850?)and my big 1100ls in the shop when I sold out and retired from that back breaking biz..
good video
THANK YOU SO MUCH :)
Your time in this video is greatly appreciated. I wish you had highlighted the Pico 2204a a little more. The questions I have is on the setup and software you're using, I'm unable to get the voltage scale to 10kv for ignition testing. Also, if you're using the Pico 6 Automotive software I'd like to know how you were able to get that to work with the 2204a, I am unable to get that working.
Thanks James, There is a video on RUclips showing how to make the 2204a work with the automotive Pico 6: ruclips.net/video/BvMH-SLl--0/видео.html
I didn't do that "hack", but I did export the automotive probes from Pico 6 Auto and imported them on Pico 6. Since both programs are free, it was easy to do. Then you can select the ignition probes in the normal Pico 6 in the library.
From the Pico Auto Custom Probes menu you have to "duplicate" the probes you want to copy. Then Pico puts the copies into the "library." From there you can export them into a file that you can then import into the normal Pico 6. Hope all this makes sense.
@@siuautomotive Update, I thought about this and decided to try it again. The first round I had the 2204A plugged into my laptop, this time I left it disconnected while trying it again. Success ! I think the software recognized I was using the 2204A and stopped me from doing this (I may just be paranoid though, LOL). Thanks for your reply !
Excellent video. I’m leaning towards the Autel mp408. I hear from some Autel mp408 users that the leads could be improved upon to clean up the noise. What leads would you recommend?
Aeswave sells some nice leads. The pico leads are nice but pricey. Warwick makes some good leads. Jarheaddiag.com has these and other cool stuff.
I first heard of a “lab scope” last week. I’ve used Oscilloscopes in the past for electrical circuit monitoring for communication equipment but now I am forced to learn that automotive components are also controlled by an ECU or ECM and many of the signals are more than just ground and +12 Volts. After watching this presentation, I think I have more questions.
But I’ll start with a current conundrum.
My wife’s 2015 Volvo has an intermittent overheating issue. The computer brain monitors engine coolant temperature, and (is supposed to) send a digital signal to the electric water/coolant pump which is grounded to the engine, has a 50amp 12v power wire and an emergency backup power supply. It also has a wire for that digital signal that comes from the magic brain behind the curtain. I can measure and verify both power wires are good, and that the ground is good. I would like to be able to measure the digital signal coming from the brain ECM/ECU to the water pump and verify the pump is in fact getting the signal to run at low, medium and high.
If signal is present all the time I and pump fails to run, I can assume the pump has issues. Pump was recently replaced, and overheating persisted. All other components for cooling were replaced, to include a second pump.
It’s down to that digital signal from the ECU.
HOW do I verify that signal is present and what scope is best for monitoring.
This over heating issue comes and goes. I’m most interested to know what is or isn’t happening during the bouts of overheating.
Can you suggest a course of action and what scope would help me monitor this digital pump signal?
Thanks.
i guess the autel scope is a good start .until you get into really fine details ,then i would say pico
great test, do all of these record samples so they can be viewed later or analysed offline ? I guess Hantek does not ( I had one, and I could never get it to log a sample )
On the Autel and Pico scopes, you can save the waveform buffer, which saves all the scope images. The hantek can save as an image file, spreadsheet file, or word file, so it's very limited. Thanks for watching!
maybe someone can chime in,as a automotive diy guy who wants to start using oscillioscopes what would be a suggested scope?i was considering hantek 2C42 handheld OR the $60 hantek 6022bbe seen here.
Very informative. Does the software come with scope purchase, and does it ever need updated? I am strongly considering buying the Autel Maxisys Ultra. Is that worth it? Not sure which way to go. I have never used a scope. Thank you for your time and input. RB
The software for each scope is downloadable from their website for free. They do update them frequently, especially pico. Personally, I’d buy a scope separate from my scan tool. The Autel maxi scope is a real good deal and you can find it as cheap as 300 bucks. JDTCO has them on clearance right now at 300.
Great video. I am wondering what anyone thinks of the zotek zt-702s multimeter/ occilliscope. They also now have a two channel version. I think it's the zt-703s. Can it be used in professional automotive as a quick check tool vs say setting up the automotive pico. No I know there are way less features. What is attracting me is save time, quick check, less drama, like hook up see it, get out.
Have you tried any of the Auto Ditex items ? They have a two channel scope , a relative compression tester and a sensor simulator . Diagnose Dan uses them .
No I have not, but I really like the look of their pressure transducer setup!
Hello. Thanks for good video. Were can I find this AC filter for Hantek scope?
You can make one using a capacitor, or you can get this one:
www.aeswave.com/AC-Pass-Filter-Adapter-p9178.html
Awesome video! So the autel software does have 720 degree rulers like picoscope software
Yes it does!
I have the Autel scope and purchased an low amp clamp from ASE wave. The clamp has two settings the 20 amp and 60 amp. Autel menu only has the 20 amp setting and the a 65 amp. Do I have to make a custom probe for the 60 amp setting. If so how would I do that. Thanks
I think it will be the same. If you need to change the custom probe, go to tool, custom probe, then make a copy of the amp clamp. You can go in and edit the copy, but I think the formula is the same for the 60 and the 65 amp setting.
What amp clamp were you using for the autel? Thanks!
I used this from AESwave.com www.aeswave.com/Current-Clamp-60A-AC-DC-with-BNC-p9417.html
For anyone with the hantek, just use the formula from the other scopes and do the math manually if u need to ever check pressure. Plug in for x, y is your pressure
Awesome video ,very informative ! Can you put a link for ebay transducer ?
They were like these. I don't recommend for cylinder pressure. I did try them, but the sensor has a low processing speed, so the pattern looks blocky. It works, but the waveform is not smooth.
www.ebay.com/itm/5V-Pressure-Transducer-or-Sender-30psi-1600Psi-for-Fuel-Diesel-Oil-Air-Water/264296193011?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20180816085401%26meid%3D0a7ec3e7035945909905f9763b6c23db%26pid%3D100970%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D11%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D353058134307%26itm%3D264296193011%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2380057.c100970.m5481&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae4fbb9a4-cc9f-11ea-a6ed-74dbd180759e%7Cparentrq%3A7a0144091730a9e8e5e5002cfff16332%7Ciid%3A1
So one of the questions I had, related to one aspect of the MaxiScope... does IT do bidirectional control? You were doing a pressure test, and raising it, but wasn't sure if you were measuring it with the other scopes, but controlling it with the Maxiscope. SOMETHING was doing the bi-directional control. So, was this a scope vs scope comparison, but hiding any extra capability seen in the maxiscope?
Would configuring a higher Mhz and MS/s pico give better resolution in some of the tests?
A faster scope that samples and records at a higher rate will give more data points, but the resolution is fixed, so zooming in on a pattern will not get cleaner with a higher sample rate. This image shows the difference between resolution -- basically a 256 grid vs a 4096 grid reviewed-production.s3.amazonaws.com/attachment/5f21e244cad34ab0/bits.jpg
I'd love to have the autel maxiscope but they're discontinued. Anybody have any idea where I could one? Already checked ebay but no luck
would the $60 hantek be better then purchasing the $150+ hantek handheld scopes?
up side down , cut the probe coax and switch wires around , or make a small patch cord with reverse polarity .
Can you access the pico waveform library with the cheaper 2 channel ?
I believe you need to have an Automotive Pico to access Pico's waveform library.
While it’s clear that the Hantek is the least capable. Surely it cannot be overstated that for perhaps 1/10 th the price of some of the others you featured...it can meet almost all everyday functionality demands. The lack of memory buffer is a serious limitation. Thx for the Vid. Cheers
Pretty much, but the next model up that hovers around ~90 US dollars actually does have some onboard buffer and also more channels. The 2204A shown here was also disconnected and the next cheapest 2205a is well over 200 dollars, so the price gap has actually opened up quite a bit.
Certainly as a starter scope or if you're not likely to use the unit intensively everyday the step up aforementioned 90 dollar'ish Hantek 1008C should accomplish most of what you need.
Are you sure the 2204a is discontinued? It's still listed on the picotech.com website, it just says out of stock, but it doesn't say discontinued. You can still get them. I bought 9 last June from www.tequipment.net/Pico/2204A/PC-Based-Oscilloscopes/?/?Pico%202204A&Manufacturer%2FModel&Bing_Yahoo&msclkid=5c6f933cca7f11fbee4bcdd28e0e3616
Just another reason I feel the wps500x is worth the money over other transducers. It has an amazingly clean output. Is your pv350 one of the newer ones? The quality took a sharp dive with the newer revision of it.
No, the PV350s that I have are the old design. The new ones won't even create a usable pattern. You should check out the video I did on pressure transducers. The Honeywell and SSI sensors are actually really good.
@@siuautomotive just watched. Great video. I had actually bought a Honeywell and some Johnson controls transducers a few years ago that worked great until I got my wps500. I still use them smaller one for fuel pressure on test drives. The Honeywell is perfectly serviceable for anyone looking to get into the game for cheap. Some GM fuel tank pressure sensors work great for intake pulses as well. I just love the built in ranges and zoom function on the wps500. It works great for anything from compression to intake to exhaust pulse.
sorry for dumb question but in what way was the PV350 connected? Into manifold or spark plug socket?
The PV350 was installed in place of a compression gauge, so it's installed into the spark plug hole. The pulse sensor I used was connected to manifold vacuum, which was a challenge, since there really aren't any vacuum ports to hook-up to. That's why I made an adapter to tee into the MAP sensor hole.
@@siuautomotive Thanks for your reply :) So engine was working without that one cylinder on which PV350 was hooked up?
Also do i understand correctly that PV350 and pressure pulse sensor work on the same principal but obviously one is more sensitive/accurate than another?
Yes sir, the pv350 cylinder had no combustion. The pulse sensor picks up pressure changes.
thx, have you ever tried the pico on a pi?
No, I haven't, but I see where you can download the files to write your own software. I wish I had those skills, lol!
Hello, this is Micisg. we have a new kind automotive oscilloscope. it has preset automotive function with big screen and battery. are you interested to compare?